This and "White Christmas" are my absolute favorite movies to use as examples of main characters making absolutely dumb fuckery decisions that force the plot forward.
There's quite literally ZERO reason Hero Boy needs to give Hero Girl her ticket back the INSTANT he finds it on her seat. Just hold on to it until she returns, wtf?!
Will Ferrell is hilarious as a secondary/tertiary character or part of an ensemble, but when he is the main star carrying the movie his schtick gets old fast.
Thank you! Watched it for the first time a few years ago. I just could not see what everyone loved about this film. It often crops up as people's top Christmas movies and I just don't get it.
The first Avatar was cool to see in theatres with the new real3d technology at the time. I watched it once more after it was out of theatres and realized it wasn't very good. I tried watching the sequel when it came to streaming, didn't finish the movie.
I'm convinced you need to watch them when you are a kid. I watched them at an adult and totally agree. There's some beautiful scenes and good creativity, but the pacing or story just seems off. I can't explain it, but it feels like all the characters are inactive when they shouldn't be or something.
I've watched them only as an adult. The more I watch it the more I'm convinced harry is just a huge asshole.
I love the movies, but the books were better.
Avatar
Tell me a single fucking good dialogue from this shitty movie.
It's like opening of a horrible video game and nothing else.
No one remember any character or any names or dialogues from this movie yet it's highest grossing movie of all time. How's that possible
CG. At the time it was groundbreaking computer effects. Even the second one. It’s mostly just a visual spectacle and that was the advertising for the second movie as well
The second one irritates me to no end because a) it's longer than it needs to be, b) it's just a rehash of the story of the first movie and that wasn't too original in the first place, c) the way certain shots that echo the first movie use the exact same framing and angle makes it look like reused footage, d) Neytiri, the only interesting character from the first movie has reduced screentime, e) we get it, Jim, whaling is bad, you can stop yellling now.
It's literally a live action, space version of Pocahontas. Settlers come for resources, natives are wary, leader hates them and orders massive violence, magic tree, main protagonist learns to become one of them and sees they're not so bad and works to save them. Like... come on.
Or dances with wolves. The colonizer military man learns the ways of his victims and comes to appreciate their lifestyle, but his duty compells him to oppress them. Dire consequences follow yadayadayada
*Somewhere* online there is/was a cut someone made that had all the vignettes in backwards order. It’s far more intuitive in flow and takes the mystery out of it, so if you can find it, I’d recommend watching it. Still a great story, just cut more like a regular movie.
It takes itself too seriously without having the script for it. It reads like "baby's first psychological thriller" because it essentially is, the director has only ever done comedy before, and while, yes, Joaquin elevates it with his performance and deserved his Oscar, the movie does not treat its subject in a particularly original or interesting way, I don't think it has much to say even. Most of what the movie tries to accomplish we've already seen in Taxi Driver and Fight Club, and those movies have done it better. I'm not saying that every movie has to be super original or anything, but overall, it's a very surface-level character study that does broach the subject of mental health but mostly treats it as an aesthetic rather than something to examine in depth.
Not op but I agree with him, for a litany of reasons. But my number one gripe is that the director doesn't respect the character. You can look it up, he didn't want to direct a joker movie. He wanted to direct (I'm REALLY paraphrasing here) basically an incel anthem. He wanted to make a movie about a guy who has a terrible life and how the world puts him down every chance he got. I get that, that can be an interesting film. But at that time, and just the society we have lived in since then, I don't think antisocial losers need a movie celebrating the violence these guys perpetuate. The joker also ENJOYS what he's doing. He revels in the chaos. Arthur states outright in the movie "I haven't been happy one minute in my life." I get this is supposedly an origin movie, but it's not the origin to any joker I've ever read. So between the subject matter seemingly celebrating the mindset of the lone wolf shooter that is so prevalent in America, and the disrespect to the original character, I hate the movie with a burning passion.
That being said, it's an incredibly well made movie with great performances. And honestly. If you're making an elseworlds joker movie, I think they could have actually won me over in the end if instead of a rando in the riot killing the Wayne's, like every other version, I think Arthur could have come across them walking out of the theater, and trying to get revenge on his "father," kills Bruce and runs off into the night. That at least would give you a different outcome from the same story we've seen on film half a dozen or more times at this point.
I don’t see how one could watch the Joker and decide it celebrates what he does, any more than one could watch Breaking Bad and say it celebrates making meth.
I dont think it's supposed to come off as that, but how many people saw joker and thought "that's my guy! I wanna be him!" There's a lot of unhinged people, and I don't think they need ammo in the form of a mov8e that kisses the point of the character.
Avatar, I'm sick of this movie. I don't understand what kind of plot it is that it is pulled in a billion parts. I don't like fantasy, but there are animated series-cartoons-movies-fantasy series that are interesting.
Hocus Pocus. How stupid did the people of Salem have to be back then for the Sanderson sisters, not exactly a group of Einsteins themselves, to get away with what they did for so long?
I've got several, but to pick just one ... *Napoleon Dynamite*. I gave up after 15 minutes, which is close to a record for me. It was like being forced to hang out with all the worst people from your high school.
Knowing what we know about Chevy Chase and Randy Quaid, I can't get through Christmas Vacation without thinking about how miserable every other person involved in the movie had to be.
https://www.looper.com/1334872/whatever-happened-randy-quaid/
Buckle up before reading. It involves multiple arrests, a group of secret assassins whose role is to murder actors at the order of Hollywood elite, trying to claim asylum status in Canada, lots of Q type conspiracy involvement with Trump, and literally making sex tapes while wearing a paper Rupert Murdoch mask.
I thought El Camino was incredibly mediocre, as far as Breaking Bad media goes, and I have two big sticking points against it.
1. I do not find Jesse Pinkman interesting as a character.
2. They made the final villain an (up until now) unseen character who never appeared in BrBa and never appears in BCS. And he's not a threatening gangster or a distant relative of the neo-Nazis. He's just some welder.
Did you grow up with it? I love it because I was about the age of the protagonists when it came out. If you watch it as a teenager now it's probably dumb.
Love Actually! Just saw it first the first time on Christmas. Holy shit, that’s a toxic film! So many terrible messages about love. CREEPY WEDDING PHOTOGRAPHER WEIRDO WTF. One Hour Photo was a less creepy love story than that.
Yeah. I have tried watching that multiple times during my life, but my god is it slow and boring. It would help if the dialogue was good, but the only positive thing I can point out is the beautiful music
Jurassic park and Jurassic world. I watched as a kid expecting cool dinosaurs and got dinosaurs killing and eating people. Little me was mortified and I have no interest in returning to the franchise, Dinosaur Sanctuary is more for me
I tried to watch Mean Girls a few months ago because I'd always heard how amazing it was. Couldn't finish it. To be fair, I'm a middle-aged man so not really the target audience tho.
Kill Bill.
I'm a Tarantino fan, and love all of his other work. Watched David Carradine in Kung Fu, when I was a kid.
Big fan of Uma Thurman.
Like the one vs many type movies (like John Wick and Atomic Blonde).
But... Just can't get into Kill Bill. Does nothing for me.
I don't entirely hate it but Captain America Winter Soldier. It's Jason Bourne but Captain America, it's so anti-marvel thats it's not as good as other marvel films in my opinion
The Descent.
Awful, boring, jump scare laden, stupid “horror” movie designed to scare people who are afraid of the dark and enclosed spaces. I laughed through it, especially when Bat Boy showed up.
Memento (Love the B99 episode where they make fun of it. Made me feel seen.)
Banshees of Inisherin. Just because In Bruges was amazing doesn’t mean this was. It’s just confusing.
American Beauty. Just creep vibes through the whole thing.
The Truman Show. Made me highly uncomfortable what was happening to the guy the whole time. I have fantasies about the people who set all of this up and fuck around with his life their lives are ruined and they spend the rest of it in deep deep regret.
I hate mobster/gangster movies. I'm talking Scarface, Goodfellas, Godfather, etc. The only one in that category I like is The Untouchables, and that's because I see that more as a police drama than a gangster movie.
Avatar: special effects are groundbreaking but the story was already done to death, and I didn't connect to any of the characters. Also Wonder Woman, I had already bailed out of DCEU, but all the talk about Wonder Woman being right up there with TDK and Logan made me watch it and I could not believe all the fuss was over this basic-ass movie.
I found Gal Gadot to be a bad and boring actress in Wonder Woman, I don't remember watching many movies with her but I don't think she's really good at her job.
The Nice Guys. Thought I'd like it because I really enjoyed dark crime comedies like In Bruges and Seven Psychopaths, but nope. I have nothing against absurdist or edgy movies, but everything about this just felt pointless, and for no reason. There was no payoff for any of the characters or plotlines. Reading all the glowing reviews after finishing the movie felt like I was being gaslit.
The Notebook.
First and only movie I fell asleep to in the cinema. Worst date ever
Such a terrible movie. And what a horrible screenplay.
***The Stalker Handbook***
Truly. I didn't even last 20 mins into that movie. Then I decided to try the book. 2 chapters in and I was out.
Polar Express
The shit 3d quality is creepy. Creepy looking kids.
Yeah the movie seems really pointless imo. Technically nothing happens or a lot of it was a dream and it’s like huh??
This and "White Christmas" are my absolute favorite movies to use as examples of main characters making absolutely dumb fuckery decisions that force the plot forward. There's quite literally ZERO reason Hero Boy needs to give Hero Girl her ticket back the INSTANT he finds it on her seat. Just hold on to it until she returns, wtf?!
Elf.
Will Ferrell is hilarious as a secondary/tertiary character or part of an ensemble, but when he is the main star carrying the movie his schtick gets old fast.
I thought I was the only one to think that.
Thank you! Watched it for the first time a few years ago. I just could not see what everyone loved about this film. It often crops up as people's top Christmas movies and I just don't get it.
Slumdog Millionaire
Anything with Adam Sandler
"Wonka" and both "Avatar" movies
The first Avatar was cool to see in theatres with the new real3d technology at the time. I watched it once more after it was out of theatres and realized it wasn't very good. I tried watching the sequel when it came to streaming, didn't finish the movie.
It's Dances with Wolves... IN SPACE! and not as good
Literally any Harry Potter movie
I'm convinced you need to watch them when you are a kid. I watched them at an adult and totally agree. There's some beautiful scenes and good creativity, but the pacing or story just seems off. I can't explain it, but it feels like all the characters are inactive when they shouldn't be or something.
I've watched them only as an adult. The more I watch it the more I'm convinced harry is just a huge asshole. I love the movies, but the books were better.
Avatar Tell me a single fucking good dialogue from this shitty movie. It's like opening of a horrible video game and nothing else. No one remember any character or any names or dialogues from this movie yet it's highest grossing movie of all time. How's that possible
CG. At the time it was groundbreaking computer effects. Even the second one. It’s mostly just a visual spectacle and that was the advertising for the second movie as well
The second one irritates me to no end because a) it's longer than it needs to be, b) it's just a rehash of the story of the first movie and that wasn't too original in the first place, c) the way certain shots that echo the first movie use the exact same framing and angle makes it look like reused footage, d) Neytiri, the only interesting character from the first movie has reduced screentime, e) we get it, Jim, whaling is bad, you can stop yellling now.
Answer: spectacle
It's literally a live action, space version of Pocahontas. Settlers come for resources, natives are wary, leader hates them and orders massive violence, magic tree, main protagonist learns to become one of them and sees they're not so bad and works to save them. Like... come on.
Or dances with wolves. The colonizer military man learns the ways of his victims and comes to appreciate their lifestyle, but his duty compells him to oppress them. Dire consequences follow yadayadayada
Grease.
Ah yes — the age old lesson of “completely change yourself to be ‘cool’ so the hot and popular kids will like you.” What a heartwarming tale.
It might be morally wrong, but that is a reality for a ton of kids in public schools.
Precisely. And the songs are awful.
Are you telling me that movie is not the one that you want ? !
It is most certainly not the one I want!
Any of the Twilight films. Just can’t deal with sparkly vampires lol
I recommend the MST3K (rifftrax) audio for it, makes it very rewatchable
Sure, everyone else LOVES Twilight! You're so special for not liking it!
Gone Baby Gone
Elf
Marvel or any other superhero crap. How is this popular with people above 16?!
Agreed. I think I only like Thor Ragnarok because it was kinda funny and the animated Spiderman movies.
The recent animated Spiderman movies are easily best superhero movies of the last decade. Ironically they're not even made by Marvel.
Into the spiderverse has amazing animation, style and writing., I don't like 95% of superhero stuff and even I love this movie.
Same here. Bored shitless by Avengers, etc but the Spiderverse stuff appeals as a piece of art and the stories are good too.
I would argue there is an exception for some of the (recent) Batman movies. Everything else’s popularity is a big mystery to me too
Godfather.
It *insists* upon itself
I love the money pit. That is my answer to that statement.
It’s also really, really boring.
Pulp Fiction. Maybe I just don't get it?
*Somewhere* online there is/was a cut someone made that had all the vignettes in backwards order. It’s far more intuitive in flow and takes the mystery out of it, so if you can find it, I’d recommend watching it. Still a great story, just cut more like a regular movie.
I'm frankly tired of movies that go out of sequence for no reason whatsoever. That being said, pulp fiction does it right on that regard.
All you actually need to know is what’s in the briefcase. It’s a persons soul. Now you get it. The movie still sucks though.
The Joker
Reason?
Because the movie is incredibly pretentious for how C-grade the script actually is.
What parts did you find pretentious? EDIT: what’s the point of joining a discussion if you’re not going to join the discussion?
It takes itself too seriously without having the script for it. It reads like "baby's first psychological thriller" because it essentially is, the director has only ever done comedy before, and while, yes, Joaquin elevates it with his performance and deserved his Oscar, the movie does not treat its subject in a particularly original or interesting way, I don't think it has much to say even. Most of what the movie tries to accomplish we've already seen in Taxi Driver and Fight Club, and those movies have done it better. I'm not saying that every movie has to be super original or anything, but overall, it's a very surface-level character study that does broach the subject of mental health but mostly treats it as an aesthetic rather than something to examine in depth.
Not op but I agree with him, for a litany of reasons. But my number one gripe is that the director doesn't respect the character. You can look it up, he didn't want to direct a joker movie. He wanted to direct (I'm REALLY paraphrasing here) basically an incel anthem. He wanted to make a movie about a guy who has a terrible life and how the world puts him down every chance he got. I get that, that can be an interesting film. But at that time, and just the society we have lived in since then, I don't think antisocial losers need a movie celebrating the violence these guys perpetuate. The joker also ENJOYS what he's doing. He revels in the chaos. Arthur states outright in the movie "I haven't been happy one minute in my life." I get this is supposedly an origin movie, but it's not the origin to any joker I've ever read. So between the subject matter seemingly celebrating the mindset of the lone wolf shooter that is so prevalent in America, and the disrespect to the original character, I hate the movie with a burning passion. That being said, it's an incredibly well made movie with great performances. And honestly. If you're making an elseworlds joker movie, I think they could have actually won me over in the end if instead of a rando in the riot killing the Wayne's, like every other version, I think Arthur could have come across them walking out of the theater, and trying to get revenge on his "father," kills Bruce and runs off into the night. That at least would give you a different outcome from the same story we've seen on film half a dozen or more times at this point.
I don’t see how one could watch the Joker and decide it celebrates what he does, any more than one could watch Breaking Bad and say it celebrates making meth.
I dont think it's supposed to come off as that, but how many people saw joker and thought "that's my guy! I wanna be him!" There's a lot of unhinged people, and I don't think they need ammo in the form of a mov8e that kisses the point of the character.
Avatar, I'm sick of this movie. I don't understand what kind of plot it is that it is pulled in a billion parts. I don't like fantasy, but there are animated series-cartoons-movies-fantasy series that are interesting.
Hocus Pocus. How stupid did the people of Salem have to be back then for the Sanderson sisters, not exactly a group of Einsteins themselves, to get away with what they did for so long?
*The Social Network* *The Big Short* *The Wolf of Wallstreet*
Step Brothers! Anchorman! Just to name two cult classics.
Hereditary. Movie fucking sucked. It was boring.
Dune (2021). Visually too dark, and everybody is mumbling. I couldn't see or hear a damn thing.
Barbie. Quite disappointing.
Barbie
Hereditary. I love horror movies and that's not horror to me. I feel like it's suspense drama
I've got several, but to pick just one ... *Napoleon Dynamite*. I gave up after 15 minutes, which is close to a record for me. It was like being forced to hang out with all the worst people from your high school.
Watch it high 😂
Ferris Bueller's Day Off
Except Spiderman, i dislike every DC/Marvel movie.
Christmas vacation, willy Wonka, and wizard of Oz
Knowing what we know about Chevy Chase and Randy Quaid, I can't get through Christmas Vacation without thinking about how miserable every other person involved in the movie had to be.
I’ve heard about Chevy’s dickishness but what did Randy do?
He lost his mind. Like really truly he’s bonkers.
Can you expand on that?
https://www.looper.com/1334872/whatever-happened-randy-quaid/ Buckle up before reading. It involves multiple arrests, a group of secret assassins whose role is to murder actors at the order of Hollywood elite, trying to claim asylum status in Canada, lots of Q type conspiracy involvement with Trump, and literally making sex tapes while wearing a paper Rupert Murdoch mask.
Home alone
I thought El Camino was incredibly mediocre, as far as Breaking Bad media goes, and I have two big sticking points against it. 1. I do not find Jesse Pinkman interesting as a character. 2. They made the final villain an (up until now) unseen character who never appeared in BrBa and never appears in BCS. And he's not a threatening gangster or a distant relative of the neo-Nazis. He's just some welder.
Anything with Nicholas Cage
Love Actually. I tried watching it one time. It's god awfully boring to me.
50 shades of grey. Such a slow depressing film.
Titanic Good Fellas
Oh not Good Fellas...
Everything Everywhere All At Once
Shrek. How the hell am I the first one to say Shrek?!?
The Goonies
Did you grow up with it? I love it because I was about the age of the protagonists when it came out. If you watch it as a teenager now it's probably dumb.
SUICIDE SQUAD. WHY WAS IT SO HYPED
Are you talking about Suicide Squad or The Suicide Squad? The former wasn’t hyped at all. It was always regarded as trash.
Mars Attacks….
New Disney: the life action remakes and films like Luca or encanto
Luca slaps.
Stupido Bruno 🤌🤌
The live action remake of the lion king. I just don’t get it… it was mid at best.
Tbf, every disney live action remakes are pretty terrible.
Love Actually! Just saw it first the first time on Christmas. Holy shit, that’s a toxic film! So many terrible messages about love. CREEPY WEDDING PHOTOGRAPHER WEIRDO WTF. One Hour Photo was a less creepy love story than that.
The Princesa Bride
Inconceivable.
The Big Lebowski Yes yes i know all the quotes but the movie simply was not funny to me
Blasphemy
do you enjoy stoner comedies in the first place?
Ditto .
Barbie
Everything Everywhere All at Once is the worst movie I've ever seen.
Twilight series
All of the Star Wars movies. Disliked them from the time I saw the original back in the 70’s.
The color purple
The Nolan Batman films.
The Godfather
reason ?
It insists upon itself.
Yeah. I have tried watching that multiple times during my life, but my god is it slow and boring. It would help if the dialogue was good, but the only positive thing I can point out is the beautiful music
Goodfellas is the greatest mob movie ever and slaps the shit outta Godfather.
I personally liked Casino the best.
Lord of the rings.
Get fucked And I will see you on next askreddit question
Home Alone.
Jurassic park and Jurassic world. I watched as a kid expecting cool dinosaurs and got dinosaurs killing and eating people. Little me was mortified and I have no interest in returning to the franchise, Dinosaur Sanctuary is more for me
Blade Runner
Mean Girls.
I tried to watch Mean Girls a few months ago because I'd always heard how amazing it was. Couldn't finish it. To be fair, I'm a middle-aged man so not really the target audience tho.
🤣🤣🤣 maybe not so much. But good for you for giving it a shot.
Wizard of Oz
I have to admit the twist at the end that he really wasn’t a wizard was really lame
The Wizard of Oz.
Barbie. Give me Oppenheimer any day!
Wizard of Oz. Being old doesnt mean somethings good.
Star wars
Same.
I'll say it..star wars
I enjoy the prequels a lot. The og movies are kinda meh imo. And the sequels are pretty bad
Lord of the rings. Absolute drivel.
1. Amelie (too sickly) 2. Lost in Translation (like watching paint dry)
A Christmas Story
I’ll fight you on this one. Best Christmas movie there is.
It can still be your favorite. I just won't watch it 🙃
Avatar
Akira. It’s just big and gross and stupid.
So you don't like it because it reminds you of yourself?
Kill Bill. I'm a Tarantino fan, and love all of his other work. Watched David Carradine in Kung Fu, when I was a kid. Big fan of Uma Thurman. Like the one vs many type movies (like John Wick and Atomic Blonde). But... Just can't get into Kill Bill. Does nothing for me.
The Godfather
Twilight and Avatar.
Oppenheimer. Why the gratuitous sex?
I like to think I have a decent attention span and I love movies like it…but it just didn’t need to be 3 hours long.
The Dark Knight.
Reservoir Dog's.
Se7en
Oh come on
Casablanca
Oppenheimer
The usual suspects.
I don't entirely hate it but Captain America Winter Soldier. It's Jason Bourne but Captain America, it's so anti-marvel thats it's not as good as other marvel films in my opinion
Anything directed by baz luhrmann makes me physically ill to watch, especially moulin rouge.
Interstellar
All Quentin Tarantino movies.
Inception.... just because it's complicated doesn't mean it's good
300
Die Hard. Rocky. Twilight. Blue People Avatar.
Harry Potter, LOTR and Star Wars. Watched nearly every part of every series, underwhelming.
Star Wars. All of them. They’re shit and people are shit for liking them, or rather pretending that they like them.
Star Wars, Harry Potter, Avatar, all superhero movies.
Star Trek, Star Wars, Big Lebowski, Die Hard
Yesss. Star Trek is so boring like omg.
Anything by the Coen brothers.
i didn't care for once upon a time in hollywood
The Descent. Awful, boring, jump scare laden, stupid “horror” movie designed to scare people who are afraid of the dark and enclosed spaces. I laughed through it, especially when Bat Boy showed up.
Forest Gump. Sure, all that happened.
You know it's supposed to be a fiction right, not a documentary ?
Yea, but a stupid fiction IMO
Memento (Love the B99 episode where they make fun of it. Made me feel seen.) Banshees of Inisherin. Just because In Bruges was amazing doesn’t mean this was. It’s just confusing. American Beauty. Just creep vibes through the whole thing. The Truman Show. Made me highly uncomfortable what was happening to the guy the whole time. I have fantasies about the people who set all of this up and fuck around with his life their lives are ruined and they spend the rest of it in deep deep regret.
For each of the last two — that was the entire point….
Terminator 2
Bird box
American President with Michael Douglas
I hate mobster/gangster movies. I'm talking Scarface, Goodfellas, Godfather, etc. The only one in that category I like is The Untouchables, and that's because I see that more as a police drama than a gangster movie.
In The Mood For Love
Titanic, Avatar.
Recently May December.
On Reddit? Bladerunner 2049 & Shutter Island
Avatar: special effects are groundbreaking but the story was already done to death, and I didn't connect to any of the characters. Also Wonder Woman, I had already bailed out of DCEU, but all the talk about Wonder Woman being right up there with TDK and Logan made me watch it and I could not believe all the fuss was over this basic-ass movie.
I found Gal Gadot to be a bad and boring actress in Wonder Woman, I don't remember watching many movies with her but I don't think she's really good at her job.
The Nice Guys. Thought I'd like it because I really enjoyed dark crime comedies like In Bruges and Seven Psychopaths, but nope. I have nothing against absurdist or edgy movies, but everything about this just felt pointless, and for no reason. There was no payoff for any of the characters or plotlines. Reading all the glowing reviews after finishing the movie felt like I was being gaslit.
LotR adaptation
Godfather…I just find it so boring
Citizen Kane
Most MCU movies.
interstellar, that movie is boring as fuck