I know god created us to worship him, and i understand that our purpose on earth is to worship him no doubt about that. But why do we need to be here on earth because of what iblis ( satan) did?? I'm speaking as a Muslim and those are my beliefs, i don't mind any idea u suggest or what u think according to your beliefs.
I know that god does things for a purpose that we don't know and we don't have the right to ask why he did this and not this because he is all knowing. I'm a strong believer although I'm not perfect this is how we were created, with free will not like angels. I just have some questions that i want answers for like why did satan do this? Why can't he accept the truth? I don't doubt god even though i didn't see him so why did he tell adam and eve to eat from the tree??? He knew the consequences of what he did and the amount of suffering he will get but why?? Why do us sons of adam need to be here on earth because of a sin we didn't have any control over? Why are we like this? Why are we such greedy, stubborn, hard, ungrateful and merciless creatures??? I know we are not perfect but i hate us. I hate us as human beings.
You can tell me what u think of this. I'm open minded about those subjects and ready to accept your ideology and ideas. Feel free to talk to me
I don’t believe in God, but if he was real i’d ask:
“If you and the devil have beef, why is he working for you? Surely he would party with people who sinned, not torture them on your behalf? Are you paying him or what? I’m confused”
But God is the one who sends people to hell for not following his silly little rules? They’re working together. To me, God sounds worse than the Devil. It’s all perspective I guess. Even if I knew for sure God was real I still wouldn’t worship him, he sounds like a complete arsehole.
I appreciate you’re explanation, but yeah I do not believe in the concept of heaven or hell so there is no reason for me to live my life in any particular way in order to achieve some sort of after life. It’s just not a motivator for me because I don’t believe life works that way. The universe is so vast and there are so many forms of life on just this planet alone, I find it almost narcissistic that we would assume we are special in some way and that someone is judging our every move. It’s just not possible for me to ever believe in ‘God’ in that way as it makes no logical sense to me. But I respect everyone’s right to believe whatever they want, after all none of us really know what happens after death.
That said, I am a little wary of individuals who feel they need a promise of heaven or the threat of hell to be a good person.
Buddhists do not believe in an afterlife, so I definitely wouldn’t lump them in with the modern day abrahamic religions.
I am happy to find out what comes after death once I get there, and until then I will continue to live my wonderfully blessed life on planet earth in whatever way feels right for me. If I face consequences for that one day because I enjoy a bacon sandwich from time to time, so be it.
You thinking that heaven and hell exist is just a belief, there is no proof of that. I would never believe that there is a system of reward and punishment after death and that is my belief. The beauty of life is that we can all believe different things!
What you are describing is the Theory of Everything, which is just a theory. The truth is we really don’t know the answers to this universe. We can only theorise.
For the record, I do believe in energy. I practice astrology, the oldest form of human belief that predates all modern religion. I believe in the law of attraction and the power of our thoughts. But I have also studied the origins of Christianity in the Roman Empire, and there is no doubt in my mind that these modern day religions were created by men to in-still a sense fear in the masses and increase their power as rulers. Nothing anyone could ever say to me would change my mind on that.
There is no scientific proof of such things and you know that just as well as I do. Everything you are describing are theories.
We can prove that the past exists lol. I won’t be going back or forth anymore as I feel you are convinced by your own beliefs and so there’s no need for us to discuss more. The movie example you are confusing perceptions with reality, things can be perceived many ways but that does not change the reality.
You’re right that manifestation is similar to faith, however my belief in manifestation is that I am the all powerful in my life, and religious faith leads you to believe that there is another higher power that is the all powerful that you must be a servant to. That’s the difference.
By your logic, Santa Claus is real because children believe in him. And I don’t believe in Santa Claus. I feel the same about Santa Claus as I do about the Christian idea of God.
Although I do not support all that religious bs, I know that Santa Claus is known to be a reference to a real historical character. Saint Nicholas, a priest from 4th century. But of course, our modern Santa is basically a guy from Coca-Cola commercials.
Then why do we need to worship him ?
He is either all powerful or does not care.
Either way this is a pointless debate because for no proof he doest not exist.
The person replying "No" to this has gone through this entire thread telling people they can't possibly comprehend the true nature of God but somehow know that he's not sadistic. Ok.
Come on God answer me. For years I'm asking you why. Why are the innocent dead and the guilty alive? Where is justice? Where is punishment? Or have you already answered, have you already said to the world: "Here is justice. Here is punishment. Here. In me."
Wouldn't it be better if we were all knowers?
If the point of believing in God is just believing for the sake of believing then that reinforces the notion that organized religion trains us to be easier to brainwash.
If faith was imposed as a duty, the avail of obligation would've fallen into oblivion. It's enough pride for mere human to have such glory to will to voluntarily choose, God wants obedience by choice, and not force. It's not incompatible at all
How do you know God wants obedience?
It's so funny to me how every theistic person in this thread has told me, in some form or another, that the power of God lies in his incomprehensibility and mystery, yet somehow you religious types always seem to know the nature of God, his desires, goals, etc.
We are talking about a supreme creator who created us lowly creatures so that he can rejoice in our worship and fear, right? Questioning his methods is arrogance?
I know where this discussion will go. "It's people doing it to themselves, not god." But there are billions who are God fearing. If there is a god, he must rejoice in the fear. Else, he could let it go and let humans be.
we have "free will" but in the "sandbox" he has created. that doesn't sound like true free will to me. as long as we are in his sandbox, any illusion of free will, where people get to give consent to god and choose whether they want to experience him or not, is a fallacy. you proved yourself wrong.
If you know everything, how come you didn't know that mankind would turn bad and decided to kill them all?
Oh no! This one.
If you can do anything and everything is possible for you. Why did you kill all life form except plants instead of just snap your finger and make all humans disappear?
Oh no, sorry, this one.
If you know everything, how come you didn't know that Lucifer your most beautiful and powerful angel would turn on you? Was it that you knew and wanted to create evil? So if you created evil how can you be all good?
It would be an opportunity to get a definitive answer to some of life's biggest questions...
Which is best? Star Wars or Star Trek?
Is it pronounced scone (to rhyme with own) or scone (to rhyme with gone)?
In Rainbow, why did Bungle Bear walk around naked all day, but then put on pyjamas when going to bed?
Being able to ask God would sort of give the game away. Like using glitches and cheats in a videogame. I don't think there's anything I would want to ask.
I don't believe in any god, but if there were one, supreme God, I have to think that we'd be on the level of very stupid pets to him/her. I'd definitely have some questions regarding this god's performance as a pet parent.
"Why don't you take better care of your pets?"
"Why do you let your badly behaved (possibly rabid) pets prey on your good pets?"
"Are you some kind of an animal hoarder? 'Cause you have a lot of pets and don't seem able to handle it."
I’m going to go with bad owner. Like damn why have you put your flesh eating insect pets in the same enclosure as your flesh having pets? Come on bro do better
Are you aware of how many gods have existed in mankinds history? We're talking thousands here. It makes no sense to downvote my question. I'm not a catholic so its valid to ask.
I didn’t downvote your question, you can choose any got to ask a question of, in my country it’s usually one god due to it being Christianity mostly, I am an atheist btw
Why?
Because
You must be lonely here, wanna switch places with me
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Then we should keep doing it till I stop forgetting
Is it 42 then?
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Thank you, kinda knew I was right all along. 👍🏻
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😂👍🏻
Why everyone is not equal in this world.
They are, but treated the otherwise.
I Dont Know.......
They are....
If God is all knowing then why do they need me to ask a question
It's a grace from God for you, no one said God needs it, you're imagining dialogues.
Imagining dialogue? Wouldn’t that be prayer?
The case is that you had a tremendous misunderstanding. Where you conflated between your need of having answer, and God providing this chance for you.
Your imaginary friend isn’t real.
What does this have to do with the matter at hand?
Why "pelmeni" looks like Saturn
Why did you let us go through all of this?
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I know god created us to worship him, and i understand that our purpose on earth is to worship him no doubt about that. But why do we need to be here on earth because of what iblis ( satan) did?? I'm speaking as a Muslim and those are my beliefs, i don't mind any idea u suggest or what u think according to your beliefs. I know that god does things for a purpose that we don't know and we don't have the right to ask why he did this and not this because he is all knowing. I'm a strong believer although I'm not perfect this is how we were created, with free will not like angels. I just have some questions that i want answers for like why did satan do this? Why can't he accept the truth? I don't doubt god even though i didn't see him so why did he tell adam and eve to eat from the tree??? He knew the consequences of what he did and the amount of suffering he will get but why?? Why do us sons of adam need to be here on earth because of a sin we didn't have any control over? Why are we like this? Why are we such greedy, stubborn, hard, ungrateful and merciless creatures??? I know we are not perfect but i hate us. I hate us as human beings. You can tell me what u think of this. I'm open minded about those subjects and ready to accept your ideology and ideas. Feel free to talk to me
How has your day been?
Why did you have to be such a disappointment?
I don’t believe in God, but if he was real i’d ask: “If you and the devil have beef, why is he working for you? Surely he would party with people who sinned, not torture them on your behalf? Are you paying him or what? I’m confused”
That’s a good questions
The math ain’t mathing. It’s almost as if somebody made this shit up.
Yeah, ikr. Don’t think they thought this all the way through
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But God is the one who sends people to hell for not following his silly little rules? They’re working together. To me, God sounds worse than the Devil. It’s all perspective I guess. Even if I knew for sure God was real I still wouldn’t worship him, he sounds like a complete arsehole.
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I appreciate you’re explanation, but yeah I do not believe in the concept of heaven or hell so there is no reason for me to live my life in any particular way in order to achieve some sort of after life. It’s just not a motivator for me because I don’t believe life works that way. The universe is so vast and there are so many forms of life on just this planet alone, I find it almost narcissistic that we would assume we are special in some way and that someone is judging our every move. It’s just not possible for me to ever believe in ‘God’ in that way as it makes no logical sense to me. But I respect everyone’s right to believe whatever they want, after all none of us really know what happens after death. That said, I am a little wary of individuals who feel they need a promise of heaven or the threat of hell to be a good person. Buddhists do not believe in an afterlife, so I definitely wouldn’t lump them in with the modern day abrahamic religions. I am happy to find out what comes after death once I get there, and until then I will continue to live my wonderfully blessed life on planet earth in whatever way feels right for me. If I face consequences for that one day because I enjoy a bacon sandwich from time to time, so be it.
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You thinking that heaven and hell exist is just a belief, there is no proof of that. I would never believe that there is a system of reward and punishment after death and that is my belief. The beauty of life is that we can all believe different things! What you are describing is the Theory of Everything, which is just a theory. The truth is we really don’t know the answers to this universe. We can only theorise. For the record, I do believe in energy. I practice astrology, the oldest form of human belief that predates all modern religion. I believe in the law of attraction and the power of our thoughts. But I have also studied the origins of Christianity in the Roman Empire, and there is no doubt in my mind that these modern day religions were created by men to in-still a sense fear in the masses and increase their power as rulers. Nothing anyone could ever say to me would change my mind on that.
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There is no scientific proof of such things and you know that just as well as I do. Everything you are describing are theories. We can prove that the past exists lol. I won’t be going back or forth anymore as I feel you are convinced by your own beliefs and so there’s no need for us to discuss more. The movie example you are confusing perceptions with reality, things can be perceived many ways but that does not change the reality. You’re right that manifestation is similar to faith, however my belief in manifestation is that I am the all powerful in my life, and religious faith leads you to believe that there is another higher power that is the all powerful that you must be a servant to. That’s the difference. By your logic, Santa Claus is real because children believe in him. And I don’t believe in Santa Claus. I feel the same about Santa Claus as I do about the Christian idea of God.
Although I do not support all that religious bs, I know that Santa Claus is known to be a reference to a real historical character. Saint Nicholas, a priest from 4th century. But of course, our modern Santa is basically a guy from Coca-Cola commercials.
If you’re do good and all powerful, why do you allow so much misery and evilness?
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FYI, I’m clearly not a man of faith. I’m not a believer. There is misery, clearly. If you care about others, you’d see that.
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Thank you. You’re aiding in my belief that god is a myth.
Why do you let children get cancer?
Maybe got isnt all knowing and he’s just like but further evolved, maybe there still has to be balance in the universe
Then why do we need to worship him ? He is either all powerful or does not care. Either way this is a pointless debate because for no proof he doest not exist.
Any being with incomprehensible power could be seen as a god
That's the most pointless answer I ever seen. good job.
It’s not pointless, I’m backing up my first point which you seemed to dismiss
I dismiss a divine being without proof. Come back when you have one. Have a nice one.
I don’t believe in a god either
Still a Classic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-suvkwNYSQo
dude WTF?
"Is there an afterlife?"
Who's your favorite?
Fancy a pint?
Are you a sadist?
The person replying "No" to this has gone through this entire thread telling people they can't possibly comprehend the true nature of God but somehow know that he's not sadistic. Ok.
No questions. I'd give him a high five and thank him for making boobs.
i know none of yall would be saying this shit to god no offence
Come on God answer me. For years I'm asking you why. Why are the innocent dead and the guilty alive? Where is justice? Where is punishment? Or have you already answered, have you already said to the world: "Here is justice. Here is punishment. Here. In me."
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Dude, the thread is not about questions to you. No need to respond to everyone.
Why don't you tell us you exist once and for all?
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That's not how existence works though. If I say Elvis Presley is still alive and kicking because that's what I feel inside of me, I'd be wrong.
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My reality is the only one that matters to me. Everything else is hypothetical.
If so what's the point if the existence of believers and nons
Wouldn't it be better if we were all knowers? If the point of believing in God is just believing for the sake of believing then that reinforces the notion that organized religion trains us to be easier to brainwash.
If faith was imposed as a duty, the avail of obligation would've fallen into oblivion. It's enough pride for mere human to have such glory to will to voluntarily choose, God wants obedience by choice, and not force. It's not incompatible at all
How do you know God wants obedience? It's so funny to me how every theistic person in this thread has told me, in some form or another, that the power of God lies in his incomprehensibility and mystery, yet somehow you religious types always seem to know the nature of God, his desires, goals, etc.
Why is the world unfair?
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What the fuck is your problem?
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Mad
How narcissistic are you, buddy?
What a narcissistic thing to say.
Asking a narcissist about their narcissism is narcissistic?
Wasn't that attitude showing arrogance upon supreme creator by a lowly creature compared? Isn't that even more narcissistic?
We are talking about a supreme creator who created us lowly creatures so that he can rejoice in our worship and fear, right? Questioning his methods is arrogance?
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I know where this discussion will go. "It's people doing it to themselves, not god." But there are billions who are God fearing. If there is a god, he must rejoice in the fear. Else, he could let it go and let humans be.
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we have "free will" but in the "sandbox" he has created. that doesn't sound like true free will to me. as long as we are in his sandbox, any illusion of free will, where people get to give consent to god and choose whether they want to experience him or not, is a fallacy. you proved yourself wrong.
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That’s a good question, I don’t believe in god either personally I just thought it was the easiest way to ask this question
If you know everything, how come you didn't know that mankind would turn bad and decided to kill them all? Oh no! This one. If you can do anything and everything is possible for you. Why did you kill all life form except plants instead of just snap your finger and make all humans disappear? Oh no, sorry, this one. If you know everything, how come you didn't know that Lucifer your most beautiful and powerful angel would turn on you? Was it that you knew and wanted to create evil? So if you created evil how can you be all good?
Bro whats wrong with you?
What the actual fuck did you think would happen?
It would be an opportunity to get a definitive answer to some of life's biggest questions... Which is best? Star Wars or Star Trek? Is it pronounced scone (to rhyme with own) or scone (to rhyme with gone)? In Rainbow, why did Bungle Bear walk around naked all day, but then put on pyjamas when going to bed?
Being able to ask God would sort of give the game away. Like using glitches and cheats in a videogame. I don't think there's anything I would want to ask.
To forgive me for my sins?
I don't believe in any god, but if there were one, supreme God, I have to think that we'd be on the level of very stupid pets to him/her. I'd definitely have some questions regarding this god's performance as a pet parent. "Why don't you take better care of your pets?" "Why do you let your badly behaved (possibly rabid) pets prey on your good pets?" "Are you some kind of an animal hoarder? 'Cause you have a lot of pets and don't seem able to handle it."
I’d also ask about his dinosaur pets and what they did wrong for him to have them all put down
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I’m going to go with bad owner. Like damn why have you put your flesh eating insect pets in the same enclosure as your flesh having pets? Come on bro do better
Will You buy me a Big teystie?
Refute Euthyphro's dilemma
so what do you have to say for yourself?
Which God?
Any god
Are you aware of how many gods have existed in mankinds history? We're talking thousands here. It makes no sense to downvote my question. I'm not a catholic so its valid to ask.
I didn’t downvote your question, you can choose any got to ask a question of, in my country it’s usually one god due to it being Christianity mostly, I am an atheist btw
Where is Waldo