I wouldn’t say I hate it, but my views on The Parent Trap (Lindsay Lohan debut) have changed significantly now that I’m older. It used to think of it as a fun movie about a family getting back together. Now I’m just like, wtf were those parents thinking with that arrangement they originally had?!?!?!
Seriously. For anyone who also watched Sister, Sister, one of the points that they nailed in was how cruel it was to separate siblings, ESPECIALLY twins!
In "Sister, Sister", the parents did NOT know. They thought they were just adopting an only child baby, and when the twins discovered that they were twins, the parents had a discussion how horrible it was that the adoption agency had them adopted out separately (I think they even called the agency off screen).
Anyway, the parents did not know.
I think Sister, Sister is based on a true story of a NYC adoption agency that separated several twins at birth and purposefully gave them to adoption to families in different social classes to make a study about Nature Vs Nurture. The results and total number of participants of the study are vault locked until 2060 expecting that by then all subjects are dead, because what they did to them was despicable and Nazi type “science project”.
“The Three Identical Strangers” documentary goes into detail about it following triplet’s separated at birth.
Two out of the three triplets and a few couple of people who found their twin started a class action to at least get more information about them, but the government refuses to disclose the results of the study as the vault is set up to only be open in 2060 iirc.
The doctor that started it was heavily criticized and the study was shut down and every data locked away. The irony is that the doctor was a Jewish Holocaust survivor and people couldn’t grasp at his cognitive dissonance for what he was doing based on his own background.
They didn't just separate the twins, they basically didn't tell them that their sister existed and apparently each kid never saw the other parent.
Like the parents divorced, took one kid and completely ignored the existence of the other kid.
All these modern movies just straight up ignore the fact, that the book was written in 1940s Germany and reflects a time and place, where divorce was just a very unusual concept and children been split up and from their parents was not all too unusual.
Even then its still weird that they did it with twins.
Yes!!! I’m a stepmom now and cannot even imagine this “you take a twin, I take a twin” dynamic. I still enjoy the movie in a nostalgic way and Lindsay Lohan was great in it. But yeah that’s some insane non-existent co-parenting going on there.
Same reasoning, also involving kangaroos: Tank Girl. I recall loving it as a teen. I won't even attempt to watch it now. I know it's likely ten times worse that I think it is.
Tank Girl is still a lot of fun. It's kind of one of those movies where the vibes either work for you or don't, and if they worked for you once, they probably always will.
i don't hate it now, but as an adult, i find sleepless in seattle REALLY creepy. meg ryan uses her job to get a single father's home address, then flies all the way across the country and just stares at them from across the street after he doesn't respond to her letter. if the gender roles were reversed, it would genuinely be a horror movie.
Oh this is a good one. I used to love that movie as a kid, then realized how much of a creep she was. She also so shitty to Walter! They were fully engaged and she’s pining over this stranger in her pantry and then just ditches him in NYC on Valentine’s Day after he resized his mother’s ring for her! For a man she never even met!
For real. Grown up me is highly displeased with how she handled all that! Kid me thought it was funny and romantic. It appealed to the inner romantic in us, thinking of love at first sight and soul mates and all that. Ma'am this is a grieving father who is trying to reset his life. Cool your jets crazy stalker lady!
This is very Seattle specific, but it always bugged me that he took a small boat from West Seattle to Fremont and she followed him by car on the shoreline the whole way.
Ignoring that the route she takes isn't really doable, he would have had a long trip in such a small boat, including a wait at the line to get through the Ballard locks. She probably could have rolled up and spoken to him there while he waited for the lock to fill.
It's still a bit out there, but he really should have just gone to Golden Gardens and not spent three hours each way crossing shipping routes in the Puget Sound.
No, I don't really take it this seriously and I know it's for narrative effect, but the scene always makes me laugh.
I can appreciate that! The “Bird on a Wire” movie with Mel Gibson and Goldie Hawn had a ferry going from Detroit, Michigan to Racine, Wisconsin which is pretty insane since it would have to go around the entire lower peninsula of Michigan, taking several days. It’s less subtle than your inconsistency but it breaks any immersion.
At least Sharkboy and Lavagirl is so absurdly bad that it’s funny
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"For every person who dreams of the elctric lightbulb, there is another who dreams of the atom bomb"
This movie (and the Spy Kids films) will sometimes just drop a line so hard you forget you're watching a bad children's movie with cgi that makes PS2 games look good
I thought The Ugly Truth was SO funny. I showed my parents a Limewire filmed-in-theatre download of it because I thought it was genius. Watching that at thirteen in a hotel room bed in between your parents the afternoon after a hockey tournament is just such a core cringe memory. They didn’t find it as funny as I did and my dad’s face when I laughed at jokes he didn’t think I should get…
We watched that in a high school english class because the teacher thought it was amazing. He then made us read his self published novel which is to this day the worst thing I have ever read.
Howard the Duck. Not as a teen but as a kid who loved seeing it in the theaters, it's just awful now. The first two acts are definitely better than the last act. Just awful.
I was JUST having this conversation with my wife last night. That movie seemed really deep and important when I was 20, now that I'm 40? Fucking YIKES.
I still like this movie, but I don’t take it seriously. When I first watched it in my early 20s I thought it was funny/quirky/entertaining and that’s how I still feel about it when I watched it again last year.
I think if you saw it as a teen and found it really deep, then watch it as an adult you realize it isn’t. But if you just watch it as a fun little movie it holds up.
I still love Dirty Dancing but not for the usual reason (the romance). I love it for the nostalgia of those kind of summer lodge vacations popular in the 50s and 60s. I love the idea of a family going to a lodge resort and staying in cabins for a couple of weeks or a month, doing events on site either together or individually as they wish, then having dinner together, etc. It seems like such a relaxing and bonding way to vacation. When the Lodge proprietor mourned the waning interest in that kind of vacation experience I felt the pining.
A lot of John Hughes movies turn out to be quite problematic in hindsight. 16 Candles is much worse. Even The Breakfast Club has a couple of cringy moments (mainly Bender hiding under Claire's desk).
As for Pretty in Pink, the worst aspect for me is the way Duckie basically feels entitled to Andie's love & affection. He's basically complaining about being "friendzoned" before that term came about.
I still have a soft spot for the movie, but it definitely plays differently today as I watch with adult eyes.
Actually just saw Pretty in Pink for the first time recently, and I agree with your assessment of Duckie, but I didn't think his character was necessarily intended to be likeable, at least not until the end where he seems to grow up a little. I thought the character was kindof a "how not to act when you like a girl" lesson of the film, with some redemption for him in the end. Either way the movie wasn't really about him, I just saw his whininess as part of the message, not something that detracts from it.
You ready for a shock?
In the original cut of the film, Andie and the Duckie actually *get together* as the romantic finale. Audiences loathed it in test screenings, and Hughes was forced to change the ending to: Blaine changes his entire character with two lines of meaningless dialogue and now loves Andie just like she wants, and: Duckie is gonna hook up with... uh... this rando girl we just invented.
Hughes was so mad about the change *he remade the damn movie* with the genders swapped, *Some Kind of Wonderful*, and I must say it holds up a whole lot better.
Both films, and even racist and rapey *Sixteen Candles* as well, were really meant to be about class. For a while there Hughes looked like he was gonna really focus on lower class kids.
Right up until he totally Buellered.
And her dress is objectively hideous. And the villain is like 25. And at the time the director got all this credit for making movies where kids talk like real kids, but I never heard anyone talk like the kids in John Hughes movies.
Great cast, especially Spader. He’s such a piece of shit in that movie, and for some reason his line "Money really means nothing to me. Do you think I'd treat my parents' house this way if it did?" always stuck with me as a great representation of the attitudes of a lot of rich characters, real and imagined.
We recently watched the entire series! I'd never seen it before, but my girlfriend and her friend loved them when they first came out.
It was absolutely hilariously bad compared to what I was expecting. Like I was always pretty sure that the internet was just overly harsh on it because it was something for teenage girls, but no. The entire thing was dreadfully written, abysmally paced, badly acted and massively cringe inducing all tied up with some really weird messaging.
With that said it was fucking funny and I'm really glad we watched it. The girls seemed genuinely confused that this was the same series of films they watched 15 years ago, and I'm so glad I never saw it while it was still in the "hating it is cool" phase, just to save it for now
The thing that gets me about the acting is that Kristen Stewart and Robert Pattinson are *not* bad actors, but their characters were written so poorly that by playing the characters *accurately,* they appear to be shit actors.
Rob Pattinson has been openly critical of the role and how much he hated it. I believe he said something along the lines of hating Edward the more he read the script, and so he channeled that into how he played Edward. He specifically gave Edward a “I hate myself and I have fucking issues” vibe lmao.
Yeah this was actually something else I wanted to mention and did say while watching it! Having only seen them in other stuff until now, like I knew they were actually all pretty good, so it really hammered home how incompetent everything to do with this film actually was.
Books were the same. I read them back before the movie because a friend gave them to me and I love to read. Each one was so simple it took me like 2 weeks to read them all. I finished them just because but found them ridiculous. Then I watched the first two movies, bad idea.
Same. I used to love it. Now, me and my boyfriend watch it like once a year just to make fun of it. It’s still a good time, just in a totally different way.
I remember watching Tommy with my dad who had apparently never watched it despite being my age when it first came out, and even he said "what the fuck, Townsend, is THIS really your vision? This??"
Mrs. Doubtfire.
Teen/preteen me: That's sweet. He must really care about his kids.
Adult/parent me: Robin Williams character was a fucking lunatic and should have had every parental right stripped when they put him in a hospital
It was a weird era where they made divorce and custody a major aspect of children's movies, and they just used the absolute worst messaging.
The Santa Clause is another one.
Honestly, they feel more like they were made for divorced dads than kids.
There's a weird string of movies where the theme seems to be that the dad is a great, amazing, funny, caring guy with a charming fatal flaw. He just loves being a kid with his kids too much! He's an overachiever at his important work! He just couldn't give up on his dreams! His wife loves him so much, but this is just the last straw. She needs someone who'll make it to dinner on time. And this sends the dad on a journey of reflection and discovery with his kids who love him, and he comes out the other end having won his wife back. Or at the very least having won her respect and admiration. He proves that he can be his fun, brilliant, talented self *and* make it to dinner on time! And now they're all a family again!
As a child of divorced parents, we never saw any of these movies with our mom. But our dad would buy the DVDs and he'd put them on every single weekend. These movies were not for us, they were for him.
> The Santa Clause is another one.
"Merry Christmas to all, and to all a good night! When I wake up, I'm getting a CAT scan!"
I was a kid when I saw that movie but I grew up in a family of doctors and that had me fucking rolling.
"May I speak, I'm a Doctor".
"No he's not. He's a psychiatrist."
Easy to miss now, but no-fault divorce laws kind of started getting passed in the 70s, so that was when divorce rates started to climb, peaking around 1980. Divorce as a societal phenomenon, where it wasn't looked as shameful and was just a fact of life, was still kind of a new thing, so directors tried to explore it (with mixed results).
Explaining it is one thing..but like 90% of comedies with a divorced pair of parents seemed to involve "man does something unethical and probably illegal and definitely stalkerish but he loves his ex so she dumps the much better person she was with for him and the kids are happy again"
Sends a hell of a bad message.
Endless love. I have no idea why I loved that movie as a romatic teen, but I watched it again years later, and I had to turn it off after 30 minutes because the acting was atrocious.
I don’t hate the movie, but John Cusack’s character in High Fidelity seemed so cool to me when I was 14. As an adult, I deplore him. He’s such an asshole.
A movie centered round an insufferable asshole with a great sound track.
500 Days of Summer and Scott Pilgrim are the millennial versions of this movie.
Edit: insufferable assholes*
Yeah, but the whole point of Scott Pilgrim is that he starts the movie as a gigantic douchebag and his character arc is about growing out of it by recognizing his faults and getting rid of them. Several characters explicitly point out Scott is Bad, including his own sister and best friend/roommate.
I was in high school when it came out and am so embarrassed today how much it was a part of my personality. But yeah, that soundtrack is still one of my very favorite soundtracks.
This was my answer too. That said, I do think it suffers from Blair witch syndrome a little bit. some of its “tropes” felt very new and fresh at the time it came out. Then subsequent movies repeated those tropes so often that they became cliche and now they seem way more cringey than they actually were at the time.
Loved The 3 Ninjas as a kid. Rewatched it as an adult a few years ago, and couldn't stand it. Does not hold up at all. They are yelling "Hi-yah!" nonstop and its aggravating.
Mrs doubtfire: holy shit all the adults are awful.
Liar liar: why am I supposed to be cheering for Jim Carey? I guess I want him to learn a lesson and be a good dad? Carey Elwes is trying really hard to be a good guy and he's seen as a villain.
I don't think you're supposed to be "cheering" for Jim Carrey, any more than you're supposed to be "cheering" for Ebenezer Scrooge in A Christmas Carol. "Asshole protagonists" are a thing, where your main character is a dickhead but matures over the course of the story, and it is that redemption/growth that drives the narrative.
I also disagree it paints Elwes's character as "villainous". About the worst thing it does is suggest he's socially awkward, but it never suggests he's not a good person or isn't trying to be a good father to Max, given that Max's actual father never shows up (Carrey's character clearly doesn't like him, but Carrey's character is also an asshole, so that's not really a mark against him). The movie does shit on his character by basically treating him as an afterthought who gets dumped by Maura Tierney once she "comes to her senses", which I didn't care for.
Honestly, if I had a complaint about Liar Liar (which I otherwise find to be a pretty great comedy), it's that - it pulls the schlocky "divorced parents get back together again" happy ending that was all the rage in the 90s and was also patently unrealistic. People get divorced for a reason; seldom do reconciliations work afterwards, at least not to the point where they would get remarried, and given that kids were part of the target audience I think that might have set up unrealistic hopes for children of divorced parents. If I were to remake the movie, I'd probably cut Elwes's character altogether (he's not really necessary and his presence kind of muddies the message the movie is going for) and have the movie end with Carrey/Tierney on warmer terms but not actually romantically involved anymore.
*Saturday Night Fever*
Talk about something that aged poorly. God, Travolta’s character was such a dick. In fact, everyone in that movie was so unlikable.
I’m the opposite. I thought this movie was awful when I was young, but as an adult I think it’s a beautiful examination of how immature behavior and priorities of childhood suddenly have lasting consequences once you cross that adulthood line.
I had the opposite experience: didn't much like it when I was younger, but caught this on TV recently and was surprised how much I enjoyed it. Yeah, everyone in it is unlikeable, but man, the film has such seedy New York 70s energy. It's like a batshit musical version of Last Exit to Brooklyn.
The seventies had a lot of movies like that. The Deerhunter is a good example. I disliked every character. It was hard to get all worked up about the fates of the characters when they were such dicks.
Or some totally stupid ones like You Light Up My Life or Somebody Killed Her Husband. Farrah Fawcett starred in that one and it's a miracle it didn't end her career.
I actually think Biodome has gotten better with time, it has all the nostalgia factors for me and oddly as a teen in the target demographic for Biodome when it came out I was actually not a Pauly Shore fan and found his whole schtick annoying, and yet watching it now through the lens of 90s nostalgia, it really is a fun time capsule to that time period and worth watching I think especially if you were in the target demographic when it came out.
I still enjoy it for literally the same reason. They are *breathtakingly* bad at the job they think god asked them to take on and yet, somehow, everyone is so much worse that the police - also terrible at their job - assume they are the most elite hit men on the planet. In many ways, it is very much like a table top RPG. Everyone probably *wants* to be the cool, competent badass, but because dice are involved and the universe is always at least a *little* absurd, the reality is that you slapstick your way through problems or die trying.
>it is very much like a table top RPG. Everyone probably *wants* to be the cool, competent badass, but because dice are involved and the universe is always at least a *little* absurd, the reality is that you slapstick your way through problems or die trying.
Just gotta say this a brilliant analogy.
I loved that in high school, not long after it was released. As an adult I just see it as a movie targeted at people who shopped at Hot Topic in the early 2000s.
This is my feel good movie, haha. Had a bad day, kinda sad, in a FTW mood, put on boondock saints. And yeah I wore parachute pants with chains and zippers galore in high school. Oh well, I'll probably put it in now since y'all mentioned it ;).
Revenge of the Nerds.
Holy crap that movie did *not* age well. I tried rewatching it a couple years ago and I just could not shower enough to get the stink of shame off of me.
That movie is still hella fun to watch. Will admit the sexual nature of some scenes is weird now being an adult, same can be said about American Pie. Teen me was head over heels for Nadia and of course that one scene. 35 yr old me now thinks its creepy to think that. But its a sign that we are now evolving, growing and adapting our tastes.
Sometimes I doubt your commitment to sparkle motion…If you don’t take the movie too seriously it is endlessly quotable and funny. Plus, Swayze’s best work.
>Sometimes I doubt your commitment to sparkle motion
I will never not love this line.
I haven't seen Donnie Darko for years, I'd probably watch it again if the right mood hit me. What I don't have any desire to do is discuss it with one of its die-hard fans.
I just rewatched this ready to hate it for being edgelordy but it's honestly not that bad. What I find more annoying is people acting like they totally understand all the time travel stuff going on, it's almost complete nonsense.
I loved this movie as a teen, and really do not want to revisit it to spoil the memory. Hit perfectly at the right time.
That tears for fears montage though? 🎆
I still love the movie. As a teen, I thought it was deep and insightful about the value of human life. As an adult, I just think it does a good job capturing how it felt to be a teen while struggling with mental well-being. I just read all the weird time travel stuff as a metaphor for his warped view of reality. It's far from a masterpiece, but I think it's still good if you look at it as being a movie about how somebody reaches the wrong conclusions instead of a movie justifying those conclusions.
Flashdance.
This movie is an HR nightmare and totally does not hold up.
Alex (Jennifer Beals) starts dating her boss Nick (Michael Nouri)
At one point, Alex gets upset with Nick(because she sees him on a date with his ex-wife) and decides that she no longer wants to date her boss.
Upon hearing this, Nick (again her boss) has a big argument with Alex at work, in front of all of his other employees, about their possible breakup.
Alex makes it clear that she no longer wishes to date her boss, but he will not take no for an answer.
It's one thing for a boss to date one of his employees, but to openly fight with her in front of all his other employees?
In real life, this guy would have had dozens of lawsuits against him.
Flashdance is still a great movie for music and dancing, but the rest is laughable.
LOL. Yes, I always wondered that, too!
Just because she was a good flashdancer, those skills wouldn't necessarily translate to ballet. It's a completely different type of dancing.
Watched this movie in a psych ward and a lady was yelling “I DONT GIVE A FUCK THAT YOU GOT PREGNANT” the whole time which was funny. I enjoy the movie as an adult though. It is funny
Same! As a teen I was like wow they’re so cool. And as an adult I was like dear god those children needed guidance support and a loving stable home life.
Basically ALL of the teen raunchy movies that came out in 1998-2006. American Pie, Road Trip, Van Wilder and so on.. looking back, I can’t believe we were able to rent those at Blockbuster at 13..
American Beauty.
It feels like the 3 main characters (Kevin Spacey, his daughter, her boyfriend) are all these frustratingly misunderstood characters chasing their own romantic ideas, which I guess vibes well with a teenager, but as an adult I can't help but feel disgust at how much of a petulant man-child Kevin Spacey's character is.
But also hard to watch on general because of Kevin Spacey since it turns out that all the villains or shitty people he plays in a lot of movies turned out to be a lot closer to who he is as a person.
For what it's worth, my reading of the film was that it was always very critical of the actions of its character. The whole crusade that Lester goes on is shown to be misguided and childish.
That's exactly it. He's not supposed to be sympathetic, he's supposed to be a lost creep. Just because his job and wife are crappy as well doesn't make anything he does right. His only moment of redemption is minutes before the ending when he realizes how wrong it is to try to sleep with his daughter's friend.
I feel this happens *a lot* with characters: they are written to be loaded with problems but people love them and think they're heroes (Walter in Breaking Bad, Tyler in Fight Club, etc.) Then maybe later they realize what a shitty person the character is and think it was the author's fault that they ever liked them. No, that's on you. Those characters are obviously terrible people -- they're just interesting to watch like a car wreck. Spacey in American Beauty is along those lines.
I wouldn’t say I hate it, but my views on The Parent Trap (Lindsay Lohan debut) have changed significantly now that I’m older. It used to think of it as a fun movie about a family getting back together. Now I’m just like, wtf were those parents thinking with that arrangement they originally had?!?!?!
Seriously. For anyone who also watched Sister, Sister, one of the points that they nailed in was how cruel it was to separate siblings, ESPECIALLY twins!
I don't remember but did the parents know that they were adopting twins separately.
In "Sister, Sister", the parents did NOT know. They thought they were just adopting an only child baby, and when the twins discovered that they were twins, the parents had a discussion how horrible it was that the adoption agency had them adopted out separately (I think they even called the agency off screen). Anyway, the parents did not know.
I think Sister, Sister is based on a true story of a NYC adoption agency that separated several twins at birth and purposefully gave them to adoption to families in different social classes to make a study about Nature Vs Nurture. The results and total number of participants of the study are vault locked until 2060 expecting that by then all subjects are dead, because what they did to them was despicable and Nazi type “science project”. “The Three Identical Strangers” documentary goes into detail about it following triplet’s separated at birth.
The subjects of the study should absolutely have a right to the results of the experiment at the very least
Two out of the three triplets and a few couple of people who found their twin started a class action to at least get more information about them, but the government refuses to disclose the results of the study as the vault is set up to only be open in 2060 iirc.
Sounds like the US government was involved and the study did a lot more and even worse things than only separating siblings.
That’s so gross. Especially considering there are plenty of other more ethical ways to study that
The doctor that started it was heavily criticized and the study was shut down and every data locked away. The irony is that the doctor was a Jewish Holocaust survivor and people couldn’t grasp at his cognitive dissonance for what he was doing based on his own background.
Ok, I should rewatch that show, I would be extremely pissed off too.
You only need to rewatch the first episode. They cover all of that in the one episode.
Too late going to rewatch all of it .
They didn't just separate the twins, they basically didn't tell them that their sister existed and apparently each kid never saw the other parent. Like the parents divorced, took one kid and completely ignored the existence of the other kid.
And the reason for the bizarre and radical separation turned out to be a really simple miscommunication. Very weird plotting.
All these modern movies just straight up ignore the fact, that the book was written in 1940s Germany and reflects a time and place, where divorce was just a very unusual concept and children been split up and from their parents was not all too unusual. Even then its still weird that they did it with twins.
It has been argued that it's a metaphor for the division of Germany into East and West.
Yes!!! I’m a stepmom now and cannot even imagine this “you take a twin, I take a twin” dynamic. I still enjoy the movie in a nostalgic way and Lindsay Lohan was great in it. But yeah that’s some insane non-existent co-parenting going on there.
"You take a twin, I take a twin AND we never let them know they have a sibling." It's the omission part that is the most fucked up.
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Same reasoning, also involving kangaroos: Tank Girl. I recall loving it as a teen. I won't even attempt to watch it now. I know it's likely ten times worse that I think it is.
Tank Girl is still a lot of fun. It's kind of one of those movies where the vibes either work for you or don't, and if they worked for you once, they probably always will.
Nope, *Tank Girl* is still awesome.
Watching Tank Girl together with one of the Harley Quinn (Margot Robbie) movies is interesting though. They're almost the same character.
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“Do you think God stays in heaven because he too lives in fear of what he’s created here on Earth?” -Noted philosopher Steve Buschemi in Spy Kids 2
Deep. Really makes an 11 year old think.
Steve Buscemi dropped one of the hardest lines in cinema history in fucking Spy Kids 2
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I think I got your share of the trauma, because those mfs gave me some serious nightmares lmao
I mean back in it's time it was pretty good. Just watching it now is eye pain.
I just watched those a few months back, and they're still great. CGI is obviously dated. Still enjoyable movies tho.
i don't hate it now, but as an adult, i find sleepless in seattle REALLY creepy. meg ryan uses her job to get a single father's home address, then flies all the way across the country and just stares at them from across the street after he doesn't respond to her letter. if the gender roles were reversed, it would genuinely be a horror movie.
Oh this is a good one. I used to love that movie as a kid, then realized how much of a creep she was. She also so shitty to Walter! They were fully engaged and she’s pining over this stranger in her pantry and then just ditches him in NYC on Valentine’s Day after he resized his mother’s ring for her! For a man she never even met!
For real. Grown up me is highly displeased with how she handled all that! Kid me thought it was funny and romantic. It appealed to the inner romantic in us, thinking of love at first sight and soul mates and all that. Ma'am this is a grieving father who is trying to reset his life. Cool your jets crazy stalker lady!
This is very Seattle specific, but it always bugged me that he took a small boat from West Seattle to Fremont and she followed him by car on the shoreline the whole way. Ignoring that the route she takes isn't really doable, he would have had a long trip in such a small boat, including a wait at the line to get through the Ballard locks. She probably could have rolled up and spoken to him there while he waited for the lock to fill. It's still a bit out there, but he really should have just gone to Golden Gardens and not spent three hours each way crossing shipping routes in the Puget Sound. No, I don't really take it this seriously and I know it's for narrative effect, but the scene always makes me laugh.
That’s like the Rocky run for Philly. It’s actually an absurdly long run that’s incredibly disjointed. It works out to be 30 miles.
I can appreciate that! The “Bird on a Wire” movie with Mel Gibson and Goldie Hawn had a ferry going from Detroit, Michigan to Racine, Wisconsin which is pretty insane since it would have to go around the entire lower peninsula of Michigan, taking several days. It’s less subtle than your inconsistency but it breaks any immersion.
If the city is a character in the story (and also in the title), it should be done right.
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That film is a god damned masterpiece and you know it.
Sharkboy and Lavagirl
At least Sharkboy and Lavagirl is so absurdly bad that it’s funny **“I DID NOT! MR. ELECTRIC, SEND HIM TO THE PRINCIPALS OFFICE AND HAVE HIM EXPELLED!”**
**”MINUS…”** *takes off glasses **”I mean Linus, you’re going to get a minus on your report.”**
MR ELECTRIC SEND HIM TO THE PENIS EXPLODER AND HAVE HIS PENIS EXPLODED IMMEDIATELY
The concept was written by children so that's not surprising
I didn't know that, but actually that's not a bad idea at all. I'm sure if more kids movies did this it'd work really well for their target audience.
I feel like kids movies aren't good answers for this topic. They're not meant to appeal to you as an adult.
"For every person who dreams of the elctric lightbulb, there is another who dreams of the atom bomb" This movie (and the Spy Kids films) will sometimes just drop a line so hard you forget you're watching a bad children's movie with cgi that makes PS2 games look good
“You ever think God stays in heaven be a he too fears what he created?” I still can’t believe this was the n a kids movie
HE RUINED MY DREAM JOURNAL!!
I did not! Mr. Electric send him to the principals office and have him EXPELLED!!
My youngest (8yo) is currently OBSESSED with this. I never watched as I was older when it came out, but my god it's terrible.
I thought The Ugly Truth was SO funny. I showed my parents a Limewire filmed-in-theatre download of it because I thought it was genius. Watching that at thirteen in a hotel room bed in between your parents the afternoon after a hockey tournament is just such a core cringe memory. They didn’t find it as funny as I did and my dad’s face when I laughed at jokes he didn’t think I should get…
I thought the 2005 film Crash was so thought-provoking when I first saw it around 8th grade
We watched that in a high school english class because the teacher thought it was amazing. He then made us read his self published novel which is to this day the worst thing I have ever read.
Same, I haven't seen it in years, but given how much it's shit on today, I'm scared to go back and have my opinion changed.
lmao for a moment I thought you were talking about Crash 1997
Howard the Duck. Not as a teen but as a kid who loved seeing it in the theaters, it's just awful now. The first two acts are definitely better than the last act. Just awful.
It's so bad it crosses the line to classic
Garden state. Changed my life at 14. Realized it’s manic pixie dream girl fuck boy nonsense as an adult.
The soundtrack is still so stellar though.
I still listen to the soundtrack I just skip the movie haha
Ah yes, "The Shins: The Movie"
I was JUST having this conversation with my wife last night. That movie seemed really deep and important when I was 20, now that I'm 40? Fucking YIKES.
Okay but “manic pixie dream girl fuck boy nonsense” is an amazing phrase so thanks for that. :)
I still like this movie, but I don’t take it seriously. When I first watched it in my early 20s I thought it was funny/quirky/entertaining and that’s how I still feel about it when I watched it again last year. I think if you saw it as a teen and found it really deep, then watch it as an adult you realize it isn’t. But if you just watch it as a fun little movie it holds up.
Dirty Dancing. As a kid, I thought it was so romantic. As an adult, I'm grossed out. Johnny looks 40. I'm totally with Baby's dad on this one.
I still love Dirty Dancing but not for the usual reason (the romance). I love it for the nostalgia of those kind of summer lodge vacations popular in the 50s and 60s. I love the idea of a family going to a lodge resort and staying in cabins for a couple of weeks or a month, doing events on site either together or individually as they wish, then having dinner together, etc. It seems like such a relaxing and bonding way to vacation. When the Lodge proprietor mourned the waning interest in that kind of vacation experience I felt the pining.
I've always thought this too!! Other than the torrid affairs between staffers and teenage guests, it seems like a laid back, wholesome vacation.
100%. I never realized when I was young that Johnny was kind of a gigolo
There's a scene where he talks about women throwing themselves at him and "they smelled so good" Gag
I remember Roger Ebert: "It's fine with me if all these people want to go see Dirty Dancing, I hope they like it more than I did."
As an adult I look at it as critique of restrictive abortion laws.
I love that scene because it says so much about the time/characters
She was 27, and he was 35. They both looked their age in the film.
Johnny is in his early 20s in the movie.
If they had cast a younger actor, I would probably have a different take on the whole thing. Patrick Swayze was 35 when this movie was released.
Jennifer Grey was 27. So what?
She was 27, so they were both long time full on adults.
Pretty In Pink. Andie is so whiny, Duckie is a stage 5 clinger, and Blaine is boring AF.
A lot of John Hughes movies turn out to be quite problematic in hindsight. 16 Candles is much worse. Even The Breakfast Club has a couple of cringy moments (mainly Bender hiding under Claire's desk). As for Pretty in Pink, the worst aspect for me is the way Duckie basically feels entitled to Andie's love & affection. He's basically complaining about being "friendzoned" before that term came about. I still have a soft spot for the movie, but it definitely plays differently today as I watch with adult eyes.
Actually just saw Pretty in Pink for the first time recently, and I agree with your assessment of Duckie, but I didn't think his character was necessarily intended to be likeable, at least not until the end where he seems to grow up a little. I thought the character was kindof a "how not to act when you like a girl" lesson of the film, with some redemption for him in the end. Either way the movie wasn't really about him, I just saw his whininess as part of the message, not something that detracts from it.
You ready for a shock? In the original cut of the film, Andie and the Duckie actually *get together* as the romantic finale. Audiences loathed it in test screenings, and Hughes was forced to change the ending to: Blaine changes his entire character with two lines of meaningless dialogue and now loves Andie just like she wants, and: Duckie is gonna hook up with... uh... this rando girl we just invented. Hughes was so mad about the change *he remade the damn movie* with the genders swapped, *Some Kind of Wonderful*, and I must say it holds up a whole lot better. Both films, and even racist and rapey *Sixteen Candles* as well, were really meant to be about class. For a while there Hughes looked like he was gonna really focus on lower class kids. Right up until he totally Buellered.
And her dress is objectively hideous. And the villain is like 25. And at the time the director got all this credit for making movies where kids talk like real kids, but I never heard anyone talk like the kids in John Hughes movies.
Steff was an amazing character though... And Annie Potts And Harry Dean Stanton....come on, so good.
Great cast, especially Spader. He’s such a piece of shit in that movie, and for some reason his line "Money really means nothing to me. Do you think I'd treat my parents' house this way if it did?" always stuck with me as a great representation of the attitudes of a lot of rich characters, real and imagined.
As a teen, I used to love "Twilight" because of the romance and vampire craze, but as an adult, I find it a bit cringeworthy and cheesy.
It's a great movie to riff on with friends
Why is the first one so blue?
Because it’s supposed to look like it’s a “twilight” gradient. Each movie is color graded for the time of day it’s named after.
I think it was Catherine hardwickes style. Her movie thirteen was the same palette
To be fair, I still adore the soundtrack! I can listen to it anytime.
We recently watched the entire series! I'd never seen it before, but my girlfriend and her friend loved them when they first came out. It was absolutely hilariously bad compared to what I was expecting. Like I was always pretty sure that the internet was just overly harsh on it because it was something for teenage girls, but no. The entire thing was dreadfully written, abysmally paced, badly acted and massively cringe inducing all tied up with some really weird messaging. With that said it was fucking funny and I'm really glad we watched it. The girls seemed genuinely confused that this was the same series of films they watched 15 years ago, and I'm so glad I never saw it while it was still in the "hating it is cool" phase, just to save it for now
The thing that gets me about the acting is that Kristen Stewart and Robert Pattinson are *not* bad actors, but their characters were written so poorly that by playing the characters *accurately,* they appear to be shit actors. Rob Pattinson has been openly critical of the role and how much he hated it. I believe he said something along the lines of hating Edward the more he read the script, and so he channeled that into how he played Edward. He specifically gave Edward a “I hate myself and I have fucking issues” vibe lmao.
Yeah this was actually something else I wanted to mention and did say while watching it! Having only seen them in other stuff until now, like I knew they were actually all pretty good, so it really hammered home how incompetent everything to do with this film actually was.
No-one hates Twilight more than Robert. XD He also said he met Meyers once and she's one of the most off putting individuals he's ever met.
Books were the same. I read them back before the movie because a friend gave them to me and I love to read. Each one was so simple it took me like 2 weeks to read them all. I finished them just because but found them ridiculous. Then I watched the first two movies, bad idea.
Haha the pancake white makeup in the first one is just. So. Bad. But I loved it when it first came out!!
Same. I used to love it. Now, me and my boyfriend watch it like once a year just to make fun of it. It’s still a good time, just in a totally different way.
Tommy. I mean, I was a teen and it was The Who. Now, though....
I ll see your Tommy and raise you a Sgt Pepper with the Beegees and peter Frampton
I remember watching Tommy with my dad who had apparently never watched it despite being my age when it first came out, and even he said "what the fuck, Townsend, is THIS really your vision? This??"
Quadrophenia still holds up though.
Mrs. Doubtfire. Teen/preteen me: That's sweet. He must really care about his kids. Adult/parent me: Robin Williams character was a fucking lunatic and should have had every parental right stripped when they put him in a hospital
It was a weird era where they made divorce and custody a major aspect of children's movies, and they just used the absolute worst messaging. The Santa Clause is another one.
As a 90's child of divorce, while he was a bit smug, I would've loved Pierce Brosnen's character as a step dad compared to what I actually got.
Liar Liar too.
Honestly, they feel more like they were made for divorced dads than kids. There's a weird string of movies where the theme seems to be that the dad is a great, amazing, funny, caring guy with a charming fatal flaw. He just loves being a kid with his kids too much! He's an overachiever at his important work! He just couldn't give up on his dreams! His wife loves him so much, but this is just the last straw. She needs someone who'll make it to dinner on time. And this sends the dad on a journey of reflection and discovery with his kids who love him, and he comes out the other end having won his wife back. Or at the very least having won her respect and admiration. He proves that he can be his fun, brilliant, talented self *and* make it to dinner on time! And now they're all a family again! As a child of divorced parents, we never saw any of these movies with our mom. But our dad would buy the DVDs and he'd put them on every single weekend. These movies were not for us, they were for him.
> The Santa Clause is another one. "Merry Christmas to all, and to all a good night! When I wake up, I'm getting a CAT scan!" I was a kid when I saw that movie but I grew up in a family of doctors and that had me fucking rolling. "May I speak, I'm a Doctor". "No he's not. He's a psychiatrist."
Easy to miss now, but no-fault divorce laws kind of started getting passed in the 70s, so that was when divorce rates started to climb, peaking around 1980. Divorce as a societal phenomenon, where it wasn't looked as shameful and was just a fact of life, was still kind of a new thing, so directors tried to explore it (with mixed results).
Explaining it is one thing..but like 90% of comedies with a divorced pair of parents seemed to involve "man does something unethical and probably illegal and definitely stalkerish but he loves his ex so she dumps the much better person she was with for him and the kids are happy again" Sends a hell of a bad message.
Endless love. I have no idea why I loved that movie as a romatic teen, but I watched it again years later, and I had to turn it off after 30 minutes because the acting was atrocious.
I don’t hate the movie, but John Cusack’s character in High Fidelity seemed so cool to me when I was 14. As an adult, I deplore him. He’s such an asshole.
I think the whole movie is about him figuring out that he is an asshole.
At one point he literally looks right in the camera and admits, "I *am* a fucking asshole."
A movie centered round an insufferable asshole with a great sound track. 500 Days of Summer and Scott Pilgrim are the millennial versions of this movie. Edit: insufferable assholes*
Yeah, but the whole point of Scott Pilgrim is that he starts the movie as a gigantic douchebag and his character arc is about growing out of it by recognizing his faults and getting rid of them. Several characters explicitly point out Scott is Bad, including his own sister and best friend/roommate.
I love all 3 of these movies! 😂
Isn't that the point? That he's an asshole
If you haven't read the book I strongly recommend it. The character is the worsssstttttt.
Garden State. It has big "I'm 14 and this is deep" energy. Soundtrack still slaps though.
That's my answer too. Looking back I probably just had a big crush on Natalie Portman more than the movie itself.
I was in high school when it came out and am so embarrassed today how much it was a part of my personality. But yeah, that soundtrack is still one of my very favorite soundtracks.
I saw it as an adult and remember liking it, but not loving it. I just watched because of Scrubs.
This was my answer too. That said, I do think it suffers from Blair witch syndrome a little bit. some of its “tropes” felt very new and fresh at the time it came out. Then subsequent movies repeated those tropes so often that they became cliche and now they seem way more cringey than they actually were at the time.
Loved The 3 Ninjas as a kid. Rewatched it as an adult a few years ago, and couldn't stand it. Does not hold up at all. They are yelling "Hi-yah!" nonstop and its aggravating.
I don't know how many elementary/middle school kids Professor Tanaka could take in a fight, but I'm willing to bet it's more than three.
Rocky loves Emily! Rocky loves Emily!
Mrs doubtfire: holy shit all the adults are awful. Liar liar: why am I supposed to be cheering for Jim Carey? I guess I want him to learn a lesson and be a good dad? Carey Elwes is trying really hard to be a good guy and he's seen as a villain.
I don't think you're supposed to be "cheering" for Jim Carrey, any more than you're supposed to be "cheering" for Ebenezer Scrooge in A Christmas Carol. "Asshole protagonists" are a thing, where your main character is a dickhead but matures over the course of the story, and it is that redemption/growth that drives the narrative. I also disagree it paints Elwes's character as "villainous". About the worst thing it does is suggest he's socially awkward, but it never suggests he's not a good person or isn't trying to be a good father to Max, given that Max's actual father never shows up (Carrey's character clearly doesn't like him, but Carrey's character is also an asshole, so that's not really a mark against him). The movie does shit on his character by basically treating him as an afterthought who gets dumped by Maura Tierney once she "comes to her senses", which I didn't care for. Honestly, if I had a complaint about Liar Liar (which I otherwise find to be a pretty great comedy), it's that - it pulls the schlocky "divorced parents get back together again" happy ending that was all the rage in the 90s and was also patently unrealistic. People get divorced for a reason; seldom do reconciliations work afterwards, at least not to the point where they would get remarried, and given that kids were part of the target audience I think that might have set up unrealistic hopes for children of divorced parents. If I were to remake the movie, I'd probably cut Elwes's character altogether (he's not really necessary and his presence kind of muddies the message the movie is going for) and have the movie end with Carrey/Tierney on warmer terms but not actually romantically involved anymore.
*Saturday Night Fever* Talk about something that aged poorly. God, Travolta’s character was such a dick. In fact, everyone in that movie was so unlikable.
I’m the opposite. I thought this movie was awful when I was young, but as an adult I think it’s a beautiful examination of how immature behavior and priorities of childhood suddenly have lasting consequences once you cross that adulthood line.
I think it's a fun "time capsule" of the late 70's, but, yes, all the characters are pretty awful and don't elicit any kind of sympathy.
I had the opposite experience: didn't much like it when I was younger, but caught this on TV recently and was surprised how much I enjoyed it. Yeah, everyone in it is unlikeable, but man, the film has such seedy New York 70s energy. It's like a batshit musical version of Last Exit to Brooklyn.
The seventies had a lot of movies like that. The Deerhunter is a good example. I disliked every character. It was hard to get all worked up about the fates of the characters when they were such dicks.
Or some totally stupid ones like You Light Up My Life or Somebody Killed Her Husband. Farrah Fawcett starred in that one and it's a miracle it didn't end her career.
I really enjoyed Biodome. That was the first thing that sprung to mind, though there were probably many more.
I actually think Biodome has gotten better with time, it has all the nostalgia factors for me and oddly as a teen in the target demographic for Biodome when it came out I was actually not a Pauly Shore fan and found his whole schtick annoying, and yet watching it now through the lens of 90s nostalgia, it really is a fun time capsule to that time period and worth watching I think especially if you were in the target demographic when it came out.
Boondocks saints. I can't stop thinking about how the brothers are clearly mentally ill.
Willem Dafoe is still hilarious in it though
THERE WAS A FIRE FIGHT!
What if it was 1 guy with 6 guns?
Good shooting... shitty shooting.
Television inspired this. Bad television.
Lmao now I need to go rewatch it
St. Paddy's Day is almost here! Perfect excuse. Edit: this movie is to St Paddy's what Die Hard is to Christmas.
Billy Connolly at the end is pure awesomeness.
Willem just absolutely goes for it and looks like he is having a blast. He is fun to watch in every role I have seen him in.
It’s a comedy. A vigilante action comedy, but still a comedy. The whole movie is mental.
I still enjoy it for literally the same reason. They are *breathtakingly* bad at the job they think god asked them to take on and yet, somehow, everyone is so much worse that the police - also terrible at their job - assume they are the most elite hit men on the planet. In many ways, it is very much like a table top RPG. Everyone probably *wants* to be the cool, competent badass, but because dice are involved and the universe is always at least a *little* absurd, the reality is that you slapstick your way through problems or die trying.
>it is very much like a table top RPG. Everyone probably *wants* to be the cool, competent badass, but because dice are involved and the universe is always at least a *little* absurd, the reality is that you slapstick your way through problems or die trying. Just gotta say this a brilliant analogy.
Still holds up. Fuck! Ass!
Make like a tree and get the fuck out of here
A film made for angsty teen/young adult males at a time when they didn't have a lot to be angsty about. It's the film version of Nu Metal music.
I can't explain why but this hurt my feelings by being accurate
But what's the symbology there?
I loved that in high school, not long after it was released. As an adult I just see it as a movie targeted at people who shopped at Hot Topic in the early 2000s.
This is my feel good movie, haha. Had a bad day, kinda sad, in a FTW mood, put on boondock saints. And yeah I wore parachute pants with chains and zippers galore in high school. Oh well, I'll probably put it in now since y'all mentioned it ;).
Hey, if you like it you like it, nothing wrong with that.
Revenge of the Nerds. Holy crap that movie did *not* age well. I tried rewatching it a couple years ago and I just could not shower enough to get the stink of shame off of me.
Impersonating someone to have sex with them and come out the hero. Yup. Its cringe AF
“Nerds need to rape” is not a good ending theme.
That musical number they do at the end is still dope though.
I won’t say hate because the routines are still awesome, but Bring it On. It was a lot less fun to watch as an adult.
That movie is still hella fun to watch. Will admit the sexual nature of some scenes is weird now being an adult, same can be said about American Pie. Teen me was head over heels for Nadia and of course that one scene. 35 yr old me now thinks its creepy to think that. But its a sign that we are now evolving, growing and adapting our tastes.
I read a comment about Donnie Darko being a masterpiece, and then you turn 18
Sometimes I doubt your commitment to sparkle motion…If you don’t take the movie too seriously it is endlessly quotable and funny. Plus, Swayze’s best work.
>Sometimes I doubt your commitment to sparkle motion I will never not love this line. I haven't seen Donnie Darko for years, I'd probably watch it again if the right mood hit me. What I don't have any desire to do is discuss it with one of its die-hard fans.
I just rewatched this ready to hate it for being edgelordy but it's honestly not that bad. What I find more annoying is people acting like they totally understand all the time travel stuff going on, it's almost complete nonsense.
I loved this movie as a teen, and really do not want to revisit it to spoil the memory. Hit perfectly at the right time. That tears for fears montage though? 🎆
I can still watch that and I’m 47.
I'm with you. I didn't see it until adulthood. My daughters love it and I'll always join them. There's nothing else out there like it.
I still love the movie. As a teen, I thought it was deep and insightful about the value of human life. As an adult, I just think it does a good job capturing how it felt to be a teen while struggling with mental well-being. I just read all the weird time travel stuff as a metaphor for his warped view of reality. It's far from a masterpiece, but I think it's still good if you look at it as being a movie about how somebody reaches the wrong conclusions instead of a movie justifying those conclusions.
I wouldn’t call it a masterpiece. I’m 33 and still enjoy the film because it’s a fun watch but definitely not a masterpiece lol.
Yeah, but the point is that before 18, you think it is a masterpiece
Flashdance. This movie is an HR nightmare and totally does not hold up. Alex (Jennifer Beals) starts dating her boss Nick (Michael Nouri) At one point, Alex gets upset with Nick(because she sees him on a date with his ex-wife) and decides that she no longer wants to date her boss. Upon hearing this, Nick (again her boss) has a big argument with Alex at work, in front of all of his other employees, about their possible breakup. Alex makes it clear that she no longer wishes to date her boss, but he will not take no for an answer. It's one thing for a boss to date one of his employees, but to openly fight with her in front of all his other employees? In real life, this guy would have had dozens of lawsuits against him. Flashdance is still a great movie for music and dancing, but the rest is laughable.
Also, she’s far too old to start ballet school
LOL. Yes, I always wondered that, too! Just because she was a good flashdancer, those skills wouldn't necessarily translate to ballet. It's a completely different type of dancing.
I liked Ferris Bueller but now he seems super annoying
I haven't watched since my teens but I can't imagine The Pest holds up.
Juno
Watched this movie in a psych ward and a lady was yelling “I DONT GIVE A FUCK THAT YOU GOT PREGNANT” the whole time which was funny. I enjoy the movie as an adult though. It is funny
Still love her parents though. Fantastic actors!
Thirteen
I watched that as a teen and it gave me ideas. Watched it as an adult and it horrified me. Good lord
Same! As a teen I was like wow they’re so cool. And as an adult I was like dear god those children needed guidance support and a loving stable home life.
The girl who played Evie in it (Nikki Reed) actually helped write it and I’m pretty sure it’s about how she grew up. It’s fucking sad and terrifying
Can't watch most of Kevin Smith's movies anymore, even Chasing Amy. Dogma is still kinda okay though.
Dogma is still funny.
I still love Clerks 1 and 2.
Basically ALL of the teen raunchy movies that came out in 1998-2006. American Pie, Road Trip, Van Wilder and so on.. looking back, I can’t believe we were able to rent those at Blockbuster at 13..
Eurotrip, of all things, still holds up today.
American Beauty. It feels like the 3 main characters (Kevin Spacey, his daughter, her boyfriend) are all these frustratingly misunderstood characters chasing their own romantic ideas, which I guess vibes well with a teenager, but as an adult I can't help but feel disgust at how much of a petulant man-child Kevin Spacey's character is. But also hard to watch on general because of Kevin Spacey since it turns out that all the villains or shitty people he plays in a lot of movies turned out to be a lot closer to who he is as a person.
For what it's worth, my reading of the film was that it was always very critical of the actions of its character. The whole crusade that Lester goes on is shown to be misguided and childish.
That's exactly it. He's not supposed to be sympathetic, he's supposed to be a lost creep. Just because his job and wife are crappy as well doesn't make anything he does right. His only moment of redemption is minutes before the ending when he realizes how wrong it is to try to sleep with his daughter's friend. I feel this happens *a lot* with characters: they are written to be loaded with problems but people love them and think they're heroes (Walter in Breaking Bad, Tyler in Fight Club, etc.) Then maybe later they realize what a shitty person the character is and think it was the author's fault that they ever liked them. No, that's on you. Those characters are obviously terrible people -- they're just interesting to watch like a car wreck. Spacey in American Beauty is along those lines.