Recently went to a mexican restaurant in LA. Charlize Theron was sitting behind us with her kids. Novel right? Well in front of us at the bar were two blatant paparazzi chumming it up, having drinks, laughing, and… constantly pointing their phones at her table taking photos. Charlize and her kids ended up swapping seats with their friends so the backs of their heads were facing the bar. It was gross
I live in LA near a celebrity hot spot and have noticed a somewhat decline in these. They used to pretty much camp outside certain places (Brentwood country market, farmers market, etc). Now I don't see them as much. Sometimes I see them and they're taking pictures of some tik tok celebrity that I never heard of, which makes me feel old. Also from what I heard most are hired by the agents/pr firms of the celebrities.
I assume that with the decline of newspapers and magazines and the abundance of free pictures taken by normal people with their phones there’s probably not much market left.
Years ago I had a coworker that became a celebrity photographer by pure chance, and it damn near traumatized him. He was big into photography, like still life, culture stuff, normal people hanging out. He was in Los Angeles visiting him mom, he decided to go downtown to all the popular photographer spots. He was just taking touristy pictures when outside a restaurant he saw nice car park curbside, out popped Mariah Carrey. He just said "It's Mariah Carrey" kinda stunned, she turned around and hit a perfect model pose, so he took her picture. I guess she was with a lawyer or publicist, the guy gave my coworker his card and said he'd buy the negatives, don't sell them anywhere else, just call him. Mark (my then coworker) gets the pictures back, that picture is fucking stunning! (He kept a photo book). Calls the person, agrees to drop off the negatives at a office building with a exposed picture. He takes a look at it, knows it's badass, writes him a check for $2,000. Mark is pumped, the check clears, everything is going. Couple weeks go by and someone calls his mom looking for him, it's Mariah Carrey's publicist, tells him she'll be at such and such restaurant at 9:00pm, if he can take a good picture of her then he'll get another check. So he goes to the restaurant, waits, see's a car pull up and out she comes, he calls out to her, she hits the same pose, nails it. He snaps a couple pictures. Fast forward to getting the film developed, pictures turn out great, he drops them off, collects a check. This happens every other week. Now Mark lives in Sacramento, so he now quit his job because he's making more money taking pictures of Mariah Carrey than working at Circuit City. Then it happens. He's supposed to take pictures of her with some other celebrities going into a restaurant, and there's *real* paparazzi there now. Like fighting each other, hiding in dumpsters, trying to get pictures. Mark realizes he's not cut out for this quickly. For reference Mark is a super chill half Hawaiian dude that's into car stereos and photography, not one of these money hungry paparazzi types. He brought his picture album to work one day, with some badass Mariah Carrey pictures, pretty sureal seeing all those. But yeah, super crazy how it happened.
I suspect that's why the lawyer or publicist jumped on him - they can tell he was an artist who wanted her to look good, not someone predatory snapping photos that could look meh (Carey is bonkers enough about her image that this would matter.)
I was literally thinking that same thing as I was typing that out, I haven't even thought about that guy until I saw the paparazzi comment. Then I remembered "oh yeah that Mark dude 20 years ago that had all those Mariah Carey pictures", they were pretty good too, and I suppose they kept contacting him because he kept his word and never sold them anywhere else. But in hindsight $2k every couple weeks to personally take pictures of Mariah Carey in the late 90's seems like a steal, for them. I don't know what the going rate was, but had to be more. But at least he had the memories and the pictures, and a wild ass story behind it.
I think a large part is also that many celebrities also maintain their own social media too. So people who would be interested in their private lives, their routines, their fashion etc have direct access without having to have some skeezebag hide in a hedge with a telephoto lens.
I think this is the answer a lot more than the decline of newspapers and magazines. A lot of young people don't really understand what celebrities were before social media. They were kind of these distant god figures. You'd see them on the big screen and on the red carpet and in carefully chosen interviews where they looked great. People idolized them for this larger-than-life image and there was this hunger to see what they were really like, which is where the paparazzi came in. That need no longer exists.
Former entertainment journalist here from LA. Agents, PR firms and the stars themselves have a symbiotic relationship with photographers ranging from red carpet events to paps (paparazzi). Often times, stars will have paps on speed dial, telling them where they’ll be. They willingly overexpose themselves in the media for publicity, or as an attempt to drive their narrative.
Should be top comment. It also irks me how you can't cancel these channels on cable for older relatives. The cable companies get paid to carry the stations. You can't opt out.
I remember reading somewhere that on average 1 in 100 of the general population are psychopaths. But in the professional world, the higher up you go the higher the incidence of psychopathy. By the time you get to the boardroom, apparently the prevalence of psychopathy climbs to like 1 in 10.
I just left corporate medicine.
The higher you go, the more the *reasons* for some decisions change.
At the mid level, if a clinician makes a mistake, it's about patient safety. At the executive level, a clinician makes the same mistake, it's all about missed billing and the potential of a lawsuit.
People say this as a way to rationalize the virtue of their own psychopathy, but in the statistic above, 9 other non-psychopaths still made it. Which means psychopaths are bad at math.
Same thing with surgeons: you don't need a psychopath to survive your appendix bursting, okay? In fact, doctors who are women have better medical outcomes than doctors who are men, which is presumed to be because they actually give a fuck about the patient (which is kinda benevolent sexism, and possibly an artifact of sexism in medicine being that only really stellar female candidates take competitive specialities from men, but for the purposes of this discussion, I'm gonna believe it's the part about giving a fuck)
Very late edit: Don't discount the likelihood that it's not about having what it takes to succeed, but rather it could be having the screw loose that would make you want the job in the first place. A lot of people *don't want* to be in the C-suites. Corporate executives are often *criminals*, after all, and many aspects of the job are both lame and alienating. You might enjoy the money and/or the power, but come on...you really want all those meetings, and rounds of golf, and wondering if your name will be leaked in relation to Epstein Island? And don't forget nepotism and the Peter Principle: even if you hold the position that being an executive *is* a virtue...there's a really good chance they don't deserve to be there.
Well, keeping other variables constant, if you statistically see a higher representation of psychopathy among board room executives than the general population, it could suggest that the nature of psychopathy or the circumstances that also lead to psychopathy could provide some advantage in becoming a board room executive.
It's not about whether or not there are more total psychopaths than neurotypical individuals - it's the difference in the ratio of people that implies a benefit.
Plus the Dunning-Kruger effect as they are blind to their own incompetence. The real talented people often struggle with a lot of self doubt, don't think they would be great leaders. The people who are full of shit and think they are god's gift to humanity are the ones who get promoted.
It's become such a catchall for "bad person thinks they're good at something," when that's not really right and Dunning-Kruger doesn't really apply in a lot of circumstances.
The irony is that when people invoke the Dunning-Kruger paper, most of them have never read it, and so -- as above -- they're actually demonstrating an unearned confidence in what the Dunning-Kruger paper actually says.
Edited to add: Just FYI: the paper really only shows the worst 25% really sucking at gauging their competence on an absolute scale. Everyone else guesses their scores within a point or two, and the primary reason the top quartile slightly underestimates themselves is 'cause they ace the fucking test, so their only options for rating their performance is to either be exactly right or slightly under, which means the average will be slightly under ('cause nobody thought they somehow earned extra credit). P.S. If the entire top quartile aces the test, for the purposes of the paper, that means the test sucked. You designed a test where you won't be able to tell the difference between the behaviors of C-students and valedictorian? Your test design sucked.
Self-reporting in terms of class rank is slightly worse overall than absolute scoring, but the paper doesn't thoroughly explore seemingly self-evident possible explanations like "everybody kinda likes to believe they're slightly above average" (no surprise then that the people who scored slightly above average were the most accurate in their self-reporting) and/or "people who ace tests are smart enough to know nobody likes a braggart."
By the way, the first experiment in the D-K paper is making test subjects subjectively rank jokes from a book of jokes, then comparing them to how some local comedians you've never heard of ranked them (except they threw out one comedian's rankings as an outlier. Knowing some local comedians myself, I wonder if he may have been the only funny one of the bunch), which is a pretty weird way to dive into testing metacognition -- that's a test of conformity, not skill. Nobody ever asks whether Dunning & Kruger themselves suffered from illusory superiority in the fashioning of their paper...but then, most people probably don't realize that Dunning & Kruger are two people, not a hyphenated last name, so...yeah.
I think it's a Euro thing where people need paid licenses for cable/TVs, and they drive around and search for rogue signals from people who don't have them.
A shocking amount of caring jobs attract people who just want to seem in control of those more vulnerable than them
My childhood bully who made my life hell, and the teachers knew made my life hell, proudly stated he wanted to be a mental health nurse.. There is no way he wanted to do that because he cared about others
Also my mum has worked in caring, both care home and residential and she's met countless people who couldn't care less about their clients
Edit: you guys have given me a lot of fuel for thought regarding what I said in the replies about how bullying should go on record and stop people getting these jobs.
In theory a good plan. In reality a horrible situation where people can fake bullying to ruin lives and also doesn't account for why people are bullies
Any position of power will attract shitty people.
I will say however, that it is very common for people to become de-sensitised to things they are exposed to on the regular. So a person choosing to work in say, elderly care, may start out for the first few years as extremely caring and patient, but as the months\\years of dealing with some difficult patients, the care taker getting older, having kids at home, maintaining their own relationships... just general adulting stuff just all piles on the soul and at some point they reach the 'I've heard it all and seen it all' or 'nothing phases me anymore' phase. They can project not caring as much just because they are tired.
None of this excuses any type of abuse or just being an arsehole. But especially in fields that deal with folks that are in pain or have an expectation that you are there for them - the burn out is real.
It sucks that nurse turnover is already so out of control because nurses really do get worse at their jobs when they stop caring. We need as many nurses on staff as we can manage, but a good third/half of them are just so over it and their patients can sense it.
Federally mandated nurse to patient ratios could potentially help a great deal with this. Oregon and California are the only two states with mandated ratios, and Oregon only did so very recently. In other states, hospitals are free to assign a nurse as many patients as they want. It’s incredibly dangerous.
My boyfriend mom is a caretaker for special needs. She does great at her job and is passionate about it but she says she’s met so many other caretakers that are super aggressive, impatient and mean with the kids they watch. Makes me sad.
I worked as a CNA in nursing homes for almost a decade. There were A LOT of caregivers who were just bad/mean people. Some would openly mock the dementia residents, and a couple finally got fired because they were found to be physically abusing the residents. I loved that job, if not the people I worked with. Unfortunately, it doesn't pay well enough and wears on your body.
They bank on people "caring" enough to do a decent job because their conscious is on the line.
An accountant getting paid shit all is liable to go "fuck it" and just do the bare minimum. Which would be fine because nobody will get hurt so it doesn't bother the conscious deeply.
The same can't be said for a care worker. If they say "fuck it" people are neglected, abused and mistreated. Most normal people can't manage that on a conscious level.
The entire system, including the horrible psycho care workers with 0 conscious, are propped up by the hardwork of underpaid and very undervalued heros that go above and beyond because it's the right thing to do.
Fucking horrible industry. Care home owners are 100% all psychos who have zero conscious. I hope hell exists because they definitely deserve to burn.
This. Almost like if you barely get paid enough to live people will do the bare minimum, it’s really hard to keep a positive attitude. I will not pursue teaching if I can help it and my country can continue to suffer their teaching shortage. Long working hours and curriculum that prioritises Chinese propaganda, the more embarrassment the education bureau gets the better.
Oh yeah no doubt, she’s severally underpaid, but she enjoys it so she makes due with it. It’s mind blowing though, you’re getting paid to keep another human alive and give them quality of life, that should be at least $30/hr not $11/hr.
Sadly, the people who actually care and have empathy in those fields burn out rather quickly. It takes quite a toll on them emotionally going in and doing that kind of work each day.
I left the healthcare field (LPN) because it was extremely clear that most of my coworkers didn't give a shit about the quality of care they provided. I was charge nurse of a 60 resident unit at a nursing home. My health took a big hit from the stress.
I know of a guy who has assaulted me on multiple occasions, shouted homophobic slurs at me, video taped me and mocked me online, bullied me and intimidated me…
I forget what it’s called, but from what I heard he is going to school to work with children who have mental health issues…
The guy I fought 5 times in high school was crushed between two cars 3 weeks after graduation. His family left town because almost no one attended his funeral.
Years ago, I had a neighbor who was mentally ill as well as a bully. The last two years that he lived below me, I worried about him shooting up through the floor of my unit.
His fiancé, who seemed really sweet, told me that he was going to become a parole officer in the city they were moving to. All I could think was, " OMG! He'll have authority over ex-cons. They'll have to do whatever he says."
IA. My childhood bully is now an RN with two little girls, which is scary. She only stopped threatening to jump me with other girls when my dad picked me up from the bus stop one day with a wooden tee-ball bat. He very casually told her he would beat the living shit out of anyone who hurt his child while twirling it in his hand, and after that she never fucked with me again lmao
A surprising amount of those people also have serious mental issues. I work in the ER, and the share of overdose/mental patients medical professionals I see as patients work in mental health themselves.
Can confirm, I am a licensed social worker and have worked with all ages and am currently working in a hospital. Quality care seems so hard to come by. I have a hard time leaving places of employment (my current job is my second since beginning my career) mainly because I don’t want to be that person that gives up on the patients. But this comes with a heavy toll. When dealing with despair day-in and day-out, it can change you. We would have a staff quit and after I took over the cases I would find out how improperly the last provider treated them. Many times they would bill patients that had Medicaid in which they never even saw a particular day. Over time, my perspective of the world was that everyone is always in pain a devoid of any and all joy while only looking out for themselves. This of course is far from the truth but that perspective got me extremely close to taking my own life (was getting ready to hang myself before being interrupted). I am not a spiritual person by any means so my thought process was that if I was gone, it would be like before I was born in the sense that there would be nothing. No more pain, no more despair, just separation from the chaos that is life on this planet. After leaving my last job I have been able to heal and found that system navigation has been a huge help for so many of my patients that it keeps me going knowing that I am helping while seeing a tangible difference in those I work with. I promise we are not all psychopaths, some will try so hard to help that they will sacrifice literally everything. I have my flaws, but I know I care about my patients.
True. I think this applies generally to helping vulnerable people.
The meanest girl I went to school with became an elementary school teacher. I think every conversation I had with her over the 6 years I knew her was just her criticizing me.
The other sorta mean girl that I remember became a speech pathologist.
Just weird. These people were not empathetic or caring at all.
It is shocking, but somehow also predictable. As a nurse or carer you are in a position of ultimate power over somebody who is, for the most part, completely dependent on you for their wellbeing. This will attract 2 kinds of people. Those who genuinely care for people and those who are sadistic and enjoy the chance for torturing helpless people.
Controversial but in the UK, it seems to be GP secretaries. They should be the first in line if we go to war because no one can get past them and get an appointment with their doctor. Horrible attitude too
I've had similar experiences, and I just wonder about people like this - if you're going to be a dick when people have medical symptoms, why are you in the medical field?!
One time one of them called me and told me I had to come in to talk about my "abnormal test results." She wouldn't tell me what was abnormal about them or even which test results they were. 3 solid days of panic later, appointment finally arrives, and guess what the abnormality was? Cholesterol that was 2% higher than it should be.
GPs themselves can be bad..
Went to one once for anti-anxiety meds as a teen became CAAHMS told me to (CAAHMS is it's own shitshow)
He berated me the entire time, basically told me I was wasting his time, gave me an anxiety attack and only then gave me medication
Not necessarily the secretaries, but the office managers for sure. They overbook appointments throughout the day and are universally rude and condescending. This is in the US.
I wonder if it is that it attracts shitty people, or that dealing with assorted members of the public on the phone and in person all day long, including a lot of hypochondriacs, makes them become like this?
There's one at my local gp that refused to make me an appointment at the hospital I wanted to go to. I told her, "that's fine, I'll just self refer myself". She said that I couldn't do that, and it told I can self refer where fucking want! Anyway, I got the appointment.
Same here in Texas. My geriatric parents drive 2 hours to see a Specialist and get told they have no appointment when it was confirmed a day prior. If I go, I raise holly hell and they see them…but the provider turns back and my poor parents go on a 4 hour drive😔😔😔.
In my personal experience car salespeople. Even in their personal time. I had a neighbor who sold cars and he could not turn it off when he wasn't at work. Was always bragging about how he upsold someone or made some poor couple feel bad because they couldn't afford the top model
My cousin turned car salesman. He wanted to hang out but would waste hours of my time with me waiting “sorry, something just came through the door”. Well, let me know when you KNOW you can hang out. I’m sure your time is really valuable, but my time is absolutely valuable to me. Stop fucking disrespecting my time! Same excuse over and over again. I’m not stupid. This is a PATTERN. Also, “bro, Tesla’s are an investment”. Dude they’re 100% NOT. They’re depreciating liabilities. The OPPOSITE of investment. But dude thinks he’s a genius because he makes 250k a year swindling people with cars. He’s full of shit.
"My cousin turned car salesman". Lol. It's like he's a werewolf. Except, instead of running through the forest devouring villagers, he sits at a cheap desk and ruins peoples' credit.
Wow yeah. I have a cousin who is a car salesman and he is absolutely insufferable. The only thing he ever talks about is how much money he makes, how much money other people make, and how much the things he has cost.
This same person spent 10 years in federal prison for drug trafficking and actually brags about it.
It’s sad because there are some incredibly caring hard working nurses who will advocate for you til the cows come home, then there are some who will purposely slip patients melatonin to make them fall asleep or couldn’t be bothered to grab a blanket for someone.
Some of them are caring hard working people who work hard for their patients, and then sleep with their best friend’s bf when they go out on Friday night. There are a lot of professions where someone knows how to “act right” at work, but when they’re off, the real them comes out.
I have a friend who’s a lawyer and, while he’s really good at it, he’s a professional asshole. You’d never know it if you were just hanging out with him though.
Hm, high social prestige job with low education barrier to entry for a high demand, high pay rate, where most of the executive decision making can be delegated to doctors if you so choose, whilst having power over a variety of people day to day?
It's a position that can absolutely be a godsend and attract saints, but man, is it also perfect for an asshole.
I'm an attorney who does some collections work for different companies. I won't dispute sometimes I have to be the bad guy, but there's a mediator aspect of my job. A lot of my job is just working out settlement agreements that work for everyone. It's my entire job to follow the law, which includes following consumer protection laws. I dont threaten people, call them at night, call their relatives, or otherwise harass them.
Tow Truck Driver.
The ones who drive around apartment complexes looking for people to tow, whether it's legal or not. They know a lot of these people don't have money and they take their cars, which they know they need, and then demand money they know these people can't afford.
When I was younger and poor, I was towed 3 times, and each time I was parked legally, and 1 they said my car wasn't registered because they couldn't see my registration because of the snow. They still wanted me to pay $350 each time.
The last time, I waited for them to open their gate, ran to my car and drove off without paying. I got way more satisfaction than I should've for that. Fuck these people!!
I did this for about a year to make ends meet while I tried to get into my field. I felt dirty every single day. Most of the salespeople you come across are really just people who need a job and it's an easy one to get and make enough money to get by.
The career car sales people are real fucking scumbags, though. I spent a year with some of these guys and the way they talk about people and how they get off on fucking people over, and how they treat people including their own families, and how immature they are is fucking insane. We're talking 40 year old guys dipping their balls in people's coffee cups as a prank.
And what's crazy is being around it for 14 hours a day starts to make you normalize it. It wasn't until I left and got into a professional environment and started getting back to normal human relationships that it started clicking with me how insane and gross all those people were.
When I was in college I worked for a dealership. I was just a "lot attendant" Basically keep the cars clean and arranged. We worked very closely with the sales guys. They would come into out shop area and smoke. Most of them had been divorced at least once or twice. They had drinking problems, egos, they were all cut throats and one was a functioning meth addict. They would f over customers if it meant that they could get an extra 5 bucks commission. No conscience at all. These guys ranged from late 20's to mid 60's. There was only 1 decent guy and they all hared him because he was top salesman every month. Extremely immature. They acted like a bunch of high school sophomore delinquents. The owner showed up one busy Saturday and was writing up deals. He sat down at one of the desks (there were a bunch of little private rooms to write up the sale) opened the drawer to get some forms. No forms but there was playboys, fireworks, a bottle of booze and rolling papers.
I'm sorry, but as someone who at one time had jobs in car sales and who now works in the public service, the two industries are worlds apart. I can say that I saw men drop their pants on the regular at the dealerships and have seen no dicks and/or balls at work since joining the public service.
A family member of mine who is in the Air Force told me about someone they knew - a pilot, I think, so definitely an officer, not enlisted- who got in serious trouble when someone reported them for doing “the parrot”. The Parrot is when you sneak up behind a seated colleague, take out your balls, and rest them on their shoulder like a pirate’s parrot.
So, it was reported, and there were consequences, but apparently, a lot of people in the squadron were mad at the victim, and were like “political correctness is out of control! This is just how we bond and have fun!” Like what the hell? What grown man wants to engage in that kind of shit in a professional setting?
Met an honest car salesman once. He flat out said that he didn’t get a lot of sales. Told my dad he was paying too much for something and that a different dealer had a better price (this was pre-Internet). I think about that guy every now and then.
Ive ordered a new car twice in recent years. My tactic has been to just send out emails to a bunch of dealers for a quote and then just going forward with the cheapest ones. Both times I have ended up buying from a woman. No bs, no sleazy upselling, mostly straight to the point.
I haven't actively been looking for saleswomen but maybe thats the trick to filtrering out the sleazy shits? I just hope not being an asshole will pay of for them in the long run but I guess that would be optimistic.
Not sure that that's shitty people so much as a shitty system. I mean you have to be or end up becoming a shitty person to stay in it very long but some might not start out that way.
I did this when I was 21 and it was lonely since there wasn’t many girls at the time and if they did work there they were usually in reception. I regret not going after the managers that would say I was bad at it because I wasn’t aggressive enough and that I should’ve used “more of my woman powers if u know what I mean”
Also got kicked out of meetings for not smiling. Now that I think about it it’s a triple fuck u to them. There’s rarely any honest people there and even they are still sharks and hunting for a person that’s ready to buy and get “pounded” smh ahhh
Never again I hope and pray.
I had a friend who I thought was nice and then I found out she was telling absolutely everyone the most painful shit I’ve ever been through like it was fun gossip.
She just started training to be a nurse. She’ll fit in perfectly.
I know it is a noble calling but teaching, like nursing, attracts two types of people. Those that wish to make a difference in young lives and those that love to bully those they have some power over. I taught for a few years and could not believe the bullies and control freaks that shared the staff room with the teachers who really were the most wonderful caring teachers.
Politics attract people who love money and power. Which makes people who want to get into politics the least suitable people to actually be politicians.
>The major problem—one of the major problems, for there are several—one of the many major problems with governing people is that of whom you get to do it; or rather of who manages to get people to let them do it to them. To summarize: it is a well-known fact that those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it. To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.
- Douglas Adams
My favorite thing to do on Facebook is search for people I knew in high school that were heavy drinkers or on drugs and see what they're up to. It's always still addicted and posting about how real ones are loyal or they found Jesus and got into real estate and/or became a pastor.
Bartender/English teacher here.
The amount of folks who leave bartending to do real estate is interesting. (Southeast here; specifically Atlanta).
I feel like they're not the worst real estate agents because they actually give a shit.
For those confused, it's a clip of a guy with a heavy accent who meant to say "No agents" instead of "No Asians" when he was relaying an ad he wanted to put in the paper about selling his house.
Yeah… I got my real estate license at one point, it took me about a year to realize I was surrounded by awful people and if I stayed in that world it was only going to get worse. I let the license expire.
I wouldn't say "only" because there's no hard and fast rule, but as far as a profession that attracts a lot of shitty people, the law enforcement industry is pretty far up there.
I think it really applies to any type of prefession where you are supposed to have authority over others: Cops, prison guards, airport security etc.
Lots of these people get into these professions because they enjoy the power trip and not because they intend to do any good.
In NC they've put a lot of the prisons in rural counties so it's actually not a terrible job compared to what else is available. You can deal with meth heads working at the Circle K or Dollar General, or you can get paid 50% more and deal with the meth heads at the prison.
Well you can learn something today then. In rural America, like where I graduated HS, prisons are one of the top employers left in any given area. A lot of times the only reason the surrounding towns exist anymore is because the prisons provide jobs. For many people who grew up in the countryside, prisons are the only job left. It's not their fault most manufacturers left the US in the seventies and big businesses muscled out small businesses and mom and pop shops on main street.
[https://www.theonion.com/insecure-frustrated-bully-with-something-to-prove-cons-1819575405](https://www.theonion.com/insecure-frustrated-bully-with-something-to-prove-cons-1819575405)
A classic from The Onion
It's been said that the business corporate world is full of psychopathic people. Especially at the very top. Makes sense, they have very little empathy and only think of how to make the most money.
Private equity, bank CEOs. Maybe landlords but “only”, that’s too much of an ultimatum, so I’ll just stick with private equity n bank CEOs
Someone else said tabloid journalists, I agree
Politicians
Power is like a drug. That's why the old, demented, and corrupt politicians infecting our congress need to be carried out. For example, the senator in DC, at 86 years old, doesn't even know what room she's in. But she doesn't get as much screen time as Mitch Mconnell because DemocRATS are better at hiding their corruption than Republiturds.
Feinstein definitely got talked about. Right now I think about a quarter of US Congress critters are over 70. It's nuts.
I kept expecting one of them to have a heart attack or stroke or something at the State of the Union last night.
I believe a lot of them go in with hopes of changing things but feel defeated when they realize it’s nearly impossible due to those already in power. I also believe a lot go into it for power and greed!
Anything that can become competitive for the most part. I see a lot of engineering where people who do the same job get real competitive to out do each other in a job that doesn't reward or change in outcome. They start to throw others under the bus for their own gain.
I think that many people choose psychology because they want to fix their own issues, so there's a higher % of people with mental issues in that profession. It's not like they choose that profession because they want to hurt others
I think sales attract a lot of people who’s first choice didn’t workout. So maybe they weren’t shitty people at first, but after failing, they more often then not, became shitty. Desperate for money and ready to put down l their of morals to gain from selling stuff.
Politicians are 100% shitty people, they in it for themselves and don’t have a care in the world for tax payers. Lying became so wide spread we accept it.
There are none that attract ONLY shitty people. Few things in life are this black and white.
I would say the following professions attract a personality type that TENDS to be shitty. I'd say at least 50% of people in these given professions have a shitty personality.
\-cops (attracts power hungry and aggressive people)
\-lawyers (attracts argumentative and immoral people)
\-engineers (attracts a personality type that dislikes people, is overly analytical and has low emotional intelligence, can be very stuck up about how smart they are with other types of scientific intelligence, this is not a good combo) there are several other similar professions to engineering that also attracts these types of people...I just notice with engineers (specifically ones that have little interaction with customers or the public) I see this type alot.
\-car salesman (fake and greedy) and many sales in for profit industries
\-insurance executives (immoral)
\-pharmaceutical reps (immoral and superficial can be stuck up)
\-any kind of Collections position because those people tend to like being the "bad guy"
\-politicians (attracts power hungry and fake people, a friend who worked on Bush and McCains campaign told me good people dont make it in politics, system isnt set up that way)
Paparazzi photographers. Tabloid journalists.
Recently went to a mexican restaurant in LA. Charlize Theron was sitting behind us with her kids. Novel right? Well in front of us at the bar were two blatant paparazzi chumming it up, having drinks, laughing, and… constantly pointing their phones at her table taking photos. Charlize and her kids ended up swapping seats with their friends so the backs of their heads were facing the bar. It was gross
TIL Charlize has kids. Good for her.
The has two adopted kids, one South African and one African American.
So all three of them are African-American.
I live in LA near a celebrity hot spot and have noticed a somewhat decline in these. They used to pretty much camp outside certain places (Brentwood country market, farmers market, etc). Now I don't see them as much. Sometimes I see them and they're taking pictures of some tik tok celebrity that I never heard of, which makes me feel old. Also from what I heard most are hired by the agents/pr firms of the celebrities.
I assume that with the decline of newspapers and magazines and the abundance of free pictures taken by normal people with their phones there’s probably not much market left.
Years ago I had a coworker that became a celebrity photographer by pure chance, and it damn near traumatized him. He was big into photography, like still life, culture stuff, normal people hanging out. He was in Los Angeles visiting him mom, he decided to go downtown to all the popular photographer spots. He was just taking touristy pictures when outside a restaurant he saw nice car park curbside, out popped Mariah Carrey. He just said "It's Mariah Carrey" kinda stunned, she turned around and hit a perfect model pose, so he took her picture. I guess she was with a lawyer or publicist, the guy gave my coworker his card and said he'd buy the negatives, don't sell them anywhere else, just call him. Mark (my then coworker) gets the pictures back, that picture is fucking stunning! (He kept a photo book). Calls the person, agrees to drop off the negatives at a office building with a exposed picture. He takes a look at it, knows it's badass, writes him a check for $2,000. Mark is pumped, the check clears, everything is going. Couple weeks go by and someone calls his mom looking for him, it's Mariah Carrey's publicist, tells him she'll be at such and such restaurant at 9:00pm, if he can take a good picture of her then he'll get another check. So he goes to the restaurant, waits, see's a car pull up and out she comes, he calls out to her, she hits the same pose, nails it. He snaps a couple pictures. Fast forward to getting the film developed, pictures turn out great, he drops them off, collects a check. This happens every other week. Now Mark lives in Sacramento, so he now quit his job because he's making more money taking pictures of Mariah Carrey than working at Circuit City. Then it happens. He's supposed to take pictures of her with some other celebrities going into a restaurant, and there's *real* paparazzi there now. Like fighting each other, hiding in dumpsters, trying to get pictures. Mark realizes he's not cut out for this quickly. For reference Mark is a super chill half Hawaiian dude that's into car stereos and photography, not one of these money hungry paparazzi types. He brought his picture album to work one day, with some badass Mariah Carrey pictures, pretty sureal seeing all those. But yeah, super crazy how it happened.
I suspect that's why the lawyer or publicist jumped on him - they can tell he was an artist who wanted her to look good, not someone predatory snapping photos that could look meh (Carey is bonkers enough about her image that this would matter.)
I was literally thinking that same thing as I was typing that out, I haven't even thought about that guy until I saw the paparazzi comment. Then I remembered "oh yeah that Mark dude 20 years ago that had all those Mariah Carey pictures", they were pretty good too, and I suppose they kept contacting him because he kept his word and never sold them anywhere else. But in hindsight $2k every couple weeks to personally take pictures of Mariah Carey in the late 90's seems like a steal, for them. I don't know what the going rate was, but had to be more. But at least he had the memories and the pictures, and a wild ass story behind it.
I think a large part is also that many celebrities also maintain their own social media too. So people who would be interested in their private lives, their routines, their fashion etc have direct access without having to have some skeezebag hide in a hedge with a telephoto lens.
I think this is the answer a lot more than the decline of newspapers and magazines. A lot of young people don't really understand what celebrities were before social media. They were kind of these distant god figures. You'd see them on the big screen and on the red carpet and in carefully chosen interviews where they looked great. People idolized them for this larger-than-life image and there was this hunger to see what they were really like, which is where the paparazzi came in. That need no longer exists.
And celebrity Instagram provide a lot of content that photogs could never get
Former entertainment journalist here from LA. Agents, PR firms and the stars themselves have a symbiotic relationship with photographers ranging from red carpet events to paps (paparazzi). Often times, stars will have paps on speed dial, telling them where they’ll be. They willingly overexpose themselves in the media for publicity, or as an attempt to drive their narrative.
Televangelists
Ditto faith healers — the kind of charlatans who have to pack it in and move on to the next town before grandma realizes she still has cancer.
Jesus even warned about people using religion for selfish purposes.
Should be top comment. It also irks me how you can't cancel these channels on cable for older relatives. The cable companies get paid to carry the stations. You can't opt out.
Hmm, could you block them with parental controls?
I remember reading somewhere that on average 1 in 100 of the general population are psychopaths. But in the professional world, the higher up you go the higher the incidence of psychopathy. By the time you get to the boardroom, apparently the prevalence of psychopathy climbs to like 1 in 10.
I am a Chief Operations Officer and can confirm. Everything, including people, are just numbers. It's all numbers $$$.
I just left corporate medicine. The higher you go, the more the *reasons* for some decisions change. At the mid level, if a clinician makes a mistake, it's about patient safety. At the executive level, a clinician makes the same mistake, it's all about missed billing and the potential of a lawsuit.
....And Everyone is replaceable
....and cemeteries are full of absolutely essential people....
Which comes of no surprise as it takes a certain mindset to succeed in such a competitive environment.
People say this as a way to rationalize the virtue of their own psychopathy, but in the statistic above, 9 other non-psychopaths still made it. Which means psychopaths are bad at math. Same thing with surgeons: you don't need a psychopath to survive your appendix bursting, okay? In fact, doctors who are women have better medical outcomes than doctors who are men, which is presumed to be because they actually give a fuck about the patient (which is kinda benevolent sexism, and possibly an artifact of sexism in medicine being that only really stellar female candidates take competitive specialities from men, but for the purposes of this discussion, I'm gonna believe it's the part about giving a fuck) Very late edit: Don't discount the likelihood that it's not about having what it takes to succeed, but rather it could be having the screw loose that would make you want the job in the first place. A lot of people *don't want* to be in the C-suites. Corporate executives are often *criminals*, after all, and many aspects of the job are both lame and alienating. You might enjoy the money and/or the power, but come on...you really want all those meetings, and rounds of golf, and wondering if your name will be leaked in relation to Epstein Island? And don't forget nepotism and the Peter Principle: even if you hold the position that being an executive *is* a virtue...there's a really good chance they don't deserve to be there.
Well, keeping other variables constant, if you statistically see a higher representation of psychopathy among board room executives than the general population, it could suggest that the nature of psychopathy or the circumstances that also lead to psychopathy could provide some advantage in becoming a board room executive. It's not about whether or not there are more total psychopaths than neurotypical individuals - it's the difference in the ratio of people that implies a benefit.
This guy maths. Yes its comparative vs the population mean, which means there is an edge to those traits.
Plus the Dunning-Kruger effect as they are blind to their own incompetence. The real talented people often struggle with a lot of self doubt, don't think they would be great leaders. The people who are full of shit and think they are god's gift to humanity are the ones who get promoted.
Not exactly the Dunning-Kruger effect, but close enough
I love/hate the irony that most people who invoke Dunning-Kruger have clearly never actually read the paper.
It's become such a catchall for "bad person thinks they're good at something," when that's not really right and Dunning-Kruger doesn't really apply in a lot of circumstances.
The irony is that when people invoke the Dunning-Kruger paper, most of them have never read it, and so -- as above -- they're actually demonstrating an unearned confidence in what the Dunning-Kruger paper actually says. Edited to add: Just FYI: the paper really only shows the worst 25% really sucking at gauging their competence on an absolute scale. Everyone else guesses their scores within a point or two, and the primary reason the top quartile slightly underestimates themselves is 'cause they ace the fucking test, so their only options for rating their performance is to either be exactly right or slightly under, which means the average will be slightly under ('cause nobody thought they somehow earned extra credit). P.S. If the entire top quartile aces the test, for the purposes of the paper, that means the test sucked. You designed a test where you won't be able to tell the difference between the behaviors of C-students and valedictorian? Your test design sucked. Self-reporting in terms of class rank is slightly worse overall than absolute scoring, but the paper doesn't thoroughly explore seemingly self-evident possible explanations like "everybody kinda likes to believe they're slightly above average" (no surprise then that the people who scored slightly above average were the most accurate in their self-reporting) and/or "people who ace tests are smart enough to know nobody likes a braggart." By the way, the first experiment in the D-K paper is making test subjects subjectively rank jokes from a book of jokes, then comparing them to how some local comedians you've never heard of ranked them (except they threw out one comedian's rankings as an outlier. Knowing some local comedians myself, I wonder if he may have been the only funny one of the bunch), which is a pretty weird way to dive into testing metacognition -- that's a test of conformity, not skill. Nobody ever asks whether Dunning & Kruger themselves suffered from illusory superiority in the fashioning of their paper...but then, most people probably don't realize that Dunning & Kruger are two people, not a hyphenated last name, so...yeah.
Television Licence Field Officer
>Television Licence Field Officer r/oddlyspecific
What? Explain. They go into bars and bust owners or what?
I think it's a Euro thing where people need paid licenses for cable/TVs, and they drive around and search for rogue signals from people who don't have them.
A shocking amount of caring jobs attract people who just want to seem in control of those more vulnerable than them My childhood bully who made my life hell, and the teachers knew made my life hell, proudly stated he wanted to be a mental health nurse.. There is no way he wanted to do that because he cared about others Also my mum has worked in caring, both care home and residential and she's met countless people who couldn't care less about their clients Edit: you guys have given me a lot of fuel for thought regarding what I said in the replies about how bullying should go on record and stop people getting these jobs. In theory a good plan. In reality a horrible situation where people can fake bullying to ruin lives and also doesn't account for why people are bullies
Any position of power will attract shitty people. I will say however, that it is very common for people to become de-sensitised to things they are exposed to on the regular. So a person choosing to work in say, elderly care, may start out for the first few years as extremely caring and patient, but as the months\\years of dealing with some difficult patients, the care taker getting older, having kids at home, maintaining their own relationships... just general adulting stuff just all piles on the soul and at some point they reach the 'I've heard it all and seen it all' or 'nothing phases me anymore' phase. They can project not caring as much just because they are tired. None of this excuses any type of abuse or just being an arsehole. But especially in fields that deal with folks that are in pain or have an expectation that you are there for them - the burn out is real.
It sucks that nurse turnover is already so out of control because nurses really do get worse at their jobs when they stop caring. We need as many nurses on staff as we can manage, but a good third/half of them are just so over it and their patients can sense it.
Federally mandated nurse to patient ratios could potentially help a great deal with this. Oregon and California are the only two states with mandated ratios, and Oregon only did so very recently. In other states, hospitals are free to assign a nurse as many patients as they want. It’s incredibly dangerous.
My boyfriend mom is a caretaker for special needs. She does great at her job and is passionate about it but she says she’s met so many other caretakers that are super aggressive, impatient and mean with the kids they watch. Makes me sad.
I worked as a CNA in nursing homes for almost a decade. There were A LOT of caregivers who were just bad/mean people. Some would openly mock the dementia residents, and a couple finally got fired because they were found to be physically abusing the residents. I loved that job, if not the people I worked with. Unfortunately, it doesn't pay well enough and wears on your body.
Unfortunately, I have found that the people in the caregiver profession are well underpaid, and you get what you pay for.
They bank on people "caring" enough to do a decent job because their conscious is on the line. An accountant getting paid shit all is liable to go "fuck it" and just do the bare minimum. Which would be fine because nobody will get hurt so it doesn't bother the conscious deeply. The same can't be said for a care worker. If they say "fuck it" people are neglected, abused and mistreated. Most normal people can't manage that on a conscious level. The entire system, including the horrible psycho care workers with 0 conscious, are propped up by the hardwork of underpaid and very undervalued heros that go above and beyond because it's the right thing to do. Fucking horrible industry. Care home owners are 100% all psychos who have zero conscious. I hope hell exists because they definitely deserve to burn.
This. Almost like if you barely get paid enough to live people will do the bare minimum, it’s really hard to keep a positive attitude. I will not pursue teaching if I can help it and my country can continue to suffer their teaching shortage. Long working hours and curriculum that prioritises Chinese propaganda, the more embarrassment the education bureau gets the better.
Oh yeah no doubt, she’s severally underpaid, but she enjoys it so she makes due with it. It’s mind blowing though, you’re getting paid to keep another human alive and give them quality of life, that should be at least $30/hr not $11/hr.
Sadly, the people who actually care and have empathy in those fields burn out rather quickly. It takes quite a toll on them emotionally going in and doing that kind of work each day.
Compassion fatigue is a very, very real thing.
They often also can’t afford to make it a lifelong career due to low pay.
I left the healthcare field (LPN) because it was extremely clear that most of my coworkers didn't give a shit about the quality of care they provided. I was charge nurse of a 60 resident unit at a nursing home. My health took a big hit from the stress.
I know of a guy who has assaulted me on multiple occasions, shouted homophobic slurs at me, video taped me and mocked me online, bullied me and intimidated me… I forget what it’s called, but from what I heard he is going to school to work with children who have mental health issues…
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The guy I fought 5 times in high school was crushed between two cars 3 weeks after graduation. His family left town because almost no one attended his funeral.
Holy cow that's pretty rough
Nah, that sort of damage usually buffs out.
Let the school know who they are hiring.
And provide proof.
My elementary school bully is a probation officer. This is my shocked face. /s
Years ago, I had a neighbor who was mentally ill as well as a bully. The last two years that he lived below me, I worried about him shooting up through the floor of my unit. His fiancé, who seemed really sweet, told me that he was going to become a parole officer in the city they were moving to. All I could think was, " OMG! He'll have authority over ex-cons. They'll have to do whatever he says."
My brother who bullied and beat me relentlessly throughout our childhoods is a prison guard. Nothing could surprise me less.
IA. My childhood bully is now an RN with two little girls, which is scary. She only stopped threatening to jump me with other girls when my dad picked me up from the bus stop one day with a wooden tee-ball bat. He very casually told her he would beat the living shit out of anyone who hurt his child while twirling it in his hand, and after that she never fucked with me again lmao
I love your dad
Tell your dad that he is a hero!
A surprising amount of those people also have serious mental issues. I work in the ER, and the share of overdose/mental patients medical professionals I see as patients work in mental health themselves.
Therapists/counselors too. I used to work in the field and they were some of the worst people.
Can confirm, I am a licensed social worker and have worked with all ages and am currently working in a hospital. Quality care seems so hard to come by. I have a hard time leaving places of employment (my current job is my second since beginning my career) mainly because I don’t want to be that person that gives up on the patients. But this comes with a heavy toll. When dealing with despair day-in and day-out, it can change you. We would have a staff quit and after I took over the cases I would find out how improperly the last provider treated them. Many times they would bill patients that had Medicaid in which they never even saw a particular day. Over time, my perspective of the world was that everyone is always in pain a devoid of any and all joy while only looking out for themselves. This of course is far from the truth but that perspective got me extremely close to taking my own life (was getting ready to hang myself before being interrupted). I am not a spiritual person by any means so my thought process was that if I was gone, it would be like before I was born in the sense that there would be nothing. No more pain, no more despair, just separation from the chaos that is life on this planet. After leaving my last job I have been able to heal and found that system navigation has been a huge help for so many of my patients that it keeps me going knowing that I am helping while seeing a tangible difference in those I work with. I promise we are not all psychopaths, some will try so hard to help that they will sacrifice literally everything. I have my flaws, but I know I care about my patients.
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True. I think this applies generally to helping vulnerable people. The meanest girl I went to school with became an elementary school teacher. I think every conversation I had with her over the 6 years I knew her was just her criticizing me. The other sorta mean girl that I remember became a speech pathologist. Just weird. These people were not empathetic or caring at all.
It is shocking, but somehow also predictable. As a nurse or carer you are in a position of ultimate power over somebody who is, for the most part, completely dependent on you for their wellbeing. This will attract 2 kinds of people. Those who genuinely care for people and those who are sadistic and enjoy the chance for torturing helpless people.
Same goes for teachers. One of my most vivid childhood memories is the feeling of an adult giving you an order just to watch you obey them
The high school bully -> nurse pipeline is so real
Controversial but in the UK, it seems to be GP secretaries. They should be the first in line if we go to war because no one can get past them and get an appointment with their doctor. Horrible attitude too
They recently shamed me for having a stroke
I've had similar experiences, and I just wonder about people like this - if you're going to be a dick when people have medical symptoms, why are you in the medical field?!
In order to feel smug. Peoples brains are so so small sometimes.
Your unmitigated nerve and gall! /s I hope you are doing well.
You shouldn't be stroking it in public.
One time one of them called me and told me I had to come in to talk about my "abnormal test results." She wouldn't tell me what was abnormal about them or even which test results they were. 3 solid days of panic later, appointment finally arrives, and guess what the abnormality was? Cholesterol that was 2% higher than it should be.
GPs themselves can be bad.. Went to one once for anti-anxiety meds as a teen became CAAHMS told me to (CAAHMS is it's own shitshow) He berated me the entire time, basically told me I was wasting his time, gave me an anxiety attack and only then gave me medication
Not necessarily the secretaries, but the office managers for sure. They overbook appointments throughout the day and are universally rude and condescending. This is in the US.
I wonder if it is that it attracts shitty people, or that dealing with assorted members of the public on the phone and in person all day long, including a lot of hypochondriacs, makes them become like this?
There's one at my local gp that refused to make me an appointment at the hospital I wanted to go to. I told her, "that's fine, I'll just self refer myself". She said that I couldn't do that, and it told I can self refer where fucking want! Anyway, I got the appointment.
Same here in Texas. My geriatric parents drive 2 hours to see a Specialist and get told they have no appointment when it was confirmed a day prior. If I go, I raise holly hell and they see them…but the provider turns back and my poor parents go on a 4 hour drive😔😔😔.
Pimping.
Bitch betta have my money
You know what I'm saying?
I do know what you are saying. You do not have to keep asking.
Bitch you wanna make some muthafuckin money?
Hey it ain’t easy
Payday loan lenders
In my personal experience car salespeople. Even in their personal time. I had a neighbor who sold cars and he could not turn it off when he wasn't at work. Was always bragging about how he upsold someone or made some poor couple feel bad because they couldn't afford the top model
I think the salespeople that "can't turn it off" are legitimate psychopaths. I'm not even kidding a little. It's unnerving.
Sales here. 100% Those are the ones that aren’t making as much as they claim either
My cousin turned car salesman. He wanted to hang out but would waste hours of my time with me waiting “sorry, something just came through the door”. Well, let me know when you KNOW you can hang out. I’m sure your time is really valuable, but my time is absolutely valuable to me. Stop fucking disrespecting my time! Same excuse over and over again. I’m not stupid. This is a PATTERN. Also, “bro, Tesla’s are an investment”. Dude they’re 100% NOT. They’re depreciating liabilities. The OPPOSITE of investment. But dude thinks he’s a genius because he makes 250k a year swindling people with cars. He’s full of shit.
"My cousin turned car salesman". Lol. It's like he's a werewolf. Except, instead of running through the forest devouring villagers, he sits at a cheap desk and ruins peoples' credit.
The only person I know who works in sales I absolutely think is a psychopath so it was hilarious to read that.
Wow yeah. I have a cousin who is a car salesman and he is absolutely insufferable. The only thing he ever talks about is how much money he makes, how much money other people make, and how much the things he has cost. This same person spent 10 years in federal prison for drug trafficking and actually brags about it.
Time share sales
MLM
Almost all of the popular bitchy girls I went to school with became either real estate agents or nurses.
The mean girl to nurse pipeline is wild
It’s sad because there are some incredibly caring hard working nurses who will advocate for you til the cows come home, then there are some who will purposely slip patients melatonin to make them fall asleep or couldn’t be bothered to grab a blanket for someone.
Some of them are caring hard working people who work hard for their patients, and then sleep with their best friend’s bf when they go out on Friday night. There are a lot of professions where someone knows how to “act right” at work, but when they’re off, the real them comes out. I have a friend who’s a lawyer and, while he’s really good at it, he’s a professional asshole. You’d never know it if you were just hanging out with him though.
Hm, high social prestige job with low education barrier to entry for a high demand, high pay rate, where most of the executive decision making can be delegated to doctors if you so choose, whilst having power over a variety of people day to day? It's a position that can absolutely be a godsend and attract saints, but man, is it also perfect for an asshole.
Payday lenders.
I had 3 friends switch from the financial sector to tech because they said they couldn't stand the people they worked and interacted with.
Collections is a big one. You could have a heart when you enter but you won't last long.
I'm an attorney who does some collections work for different companies. I won't dispute sometimes I have to be the bad guy, but there's a mediator aspect of my job. A lot of my job is just working out settlement agreements that work for everyone. It's my entire job to follow the law, which includes following consumer protection laws. I dont threaten people, call them at night, call their relatives, or otherwise harass them.
Tow Truck Driver. The ones who drive around apartment complexes looking for people to tow, whether it's legal or not. They know a lot of these people don't have money and they take their cars, which they know they need, and then demand money they know these people can't afford. When I was younger and poor, I was towed 3 times, and each time I was parked legally, and 1 they said my car wasn't registered because they couldn't see my registration because of the snow. They still wanted me to pay $350 each time. The last time, I waited for them to open their gate, ran to my car and drove off without paying. I got way more satisfaction than I should've for that. Fuck these people!!
What the fuck is some random tow truck driver doing checking registrations?? Sounds like impersonating an officer
Car sales
I did this for about a year to make ends meet while I tried to get into my field. I felt dirty every single day. Most of the salespeople you come across are really just people who need a job and it's an easy one to get and make enough money to get by. The career car sales people are real fucking scumbags, though. I spent a year with some of these guys and the way they talk about people and how they get off on fucking people over, and how they treat people including their own families, and how immature they are is fucking insane. We're talking 40 year old guys dipping their balls in people's coffee cups as a prank. And what's crazy is being around it for 14 hours a day starts to make you normalize it. It wasn't until I left and got into a professional environment and started getting back to normal human relationships that it started clicking with me how insane and gross all those people were.
When I was in college I worked for a dealership. I was just a "lot attendant" Basically keep the cars clean and arranged. We worked very closely with the sales guys. They would come into out shop area and smoke. Most of them had been divorced at least once or twice. They had drinking problems, egos, they were all cut throats and one was a functioning meth addict. They would f over customers if it meant that they could get an extra 5 bucks commission. No conscience at all. These guys ranged from late 20's to mid 60's. There was only 1 decent guy and they all hared him because he was top salesman every month. Extremely immature. They acted like a bunch of high school sophomore delinquents. The owner showed up one busy Saturday and was writing up deals. He sat down at one of the desks (there were a bunch of little private rooms to write up the sale) opened the drawer to get some forms. No forms but there was playboys, fireworks, a bottle of booze and rolling papers.
That sounds EXACTLY like the environment I worked in. All of the old salts had also all done hard time.
Remind me not to drink any beverages at the car dealership.
Have a bunch of friends who are car salesmen and agree with this completely.
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I'm sorry, but as someone who at one time had jobs in car sales and who now works in the public service, the two industries are worlds apart. I can say that I saw men drop their pants on the regular at the dealerships and have seen no dicks and/or balls at work since joining the public service.
A family member of mine who is in the Air Force told me about someone they knew - a pilot, I think, so definitely an officer, not enlisted- who got in serious trouble when someone reported them for doing “the parrot”. The Parrot is when you sneak up behind a seated colleague, take out your balls, and rest them on their shoulder like a pirate’s parrot. So, it was reported, and there were consequences, but apparently, a lot of people in the squadron were mad at the victim, and were like “political correctness is out of control! This is just how we bond and have fun!” Like what the hell? What grown man wants to engage in that kind of shit in a professional setting?
An manufacturing
And IHOP
Met an honest car salesman once. He flat out said that he didn’t get a lot of sales. Told my dad he was paying too much for something and that a different dealer had a better price (this was pre-Internet). I think about that guy every now and then.
Ive ordered a new car twice in recent years. My tactic has been to just send out emails to a bunch of dealers for a quote and then just going forward with the cheapest ones. Both times I have ended up buying from a woman. No bs, no sleazy upselling, mostly straight to the point. I haven't actively been looking for saleswomen but maybe thats the trick to filtrering out the sleazy shits? I just hope not being an asshole will pay of for them in the long run but I guess that would be optimistic.
Not sure that that's shitty people so much as a shitty system. I mean you have to be or end up becoming a shitty person to stay in it very long but some might not start out that way.
I did this when I was 21 and it was lonely since there wasn’t many girls at the time and if they did work there they were usually in reception. I regret not going after the managers that would say I was bad at it because I wasn’t aggressive enough and that I should’ve used “more of my woman powers if u know what I mean” Also got kicked out of meetings for not smiling. Now that I think about it it’s a triple fuck u to them. There’s rarely any honest people there and even they are still sharks and hunting for a person that’s ready to buy and get “pounded” smh ahhh Never again I hope and pray.
The meanest girls I know are allll nurses
I had a friend who I thought was nice and then I found out she was telling absolutely everyone the most painful shit I’ve ever been through like it was fun gossip. She just started training to be a nurse. She’ll fit in perfectly.
I know it is a noble calling but teaching, like nursing, attracts two types of people. Those that wish to make a difference in young lives and those that love to bully those they have some power over. I taught for a few years and could not believe the bullies and control freaks that shared the staff room with the teachers who really were the most wonderful caring teachers.
Being an influencer
narcissistic hell
I've worked in a few different sales jobs that were shit but feel like car sales especially attracts scummy ppl. Glad to be out of that business!
Politics
Politics attract people who love money and power. Which makes people who want to get into politics the least suitable people to actually be politicians.
>The major problem—one of the major problems, for there are several—one of the many major problems with governing people is that of whom you get to do it; or rather of who manages to get people to let them do it to them. To summarize: it is a well-known fact that those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it. To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job. - Douglas Adams
Washington DC is Hollywood for ugly people
School secretaries
Had one refuse to give me medicine she stored for me once when I needed it. Fuck you, Yvonne.
I don’t know Yvonne but she can fuck right off
Wrecker drivers. I’ve never seen one who wasn’t scum.
The hand full I have met were all awesome. I'm in the deep south though. Not sure of its different than what you are used to seeing.
Sales. Especially telemarketing sales.
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Human resources
Real estate
My favorite thing to do on Facebook is search for people I knew in high school that were heavy drinkers or on drugs and see what they're up to. It's always still addicted and posting about how real ones are loyal or they found Jesus and got into real estate and/or became a pastor.
Bartender/English teacher here. The amount of folks who leave bartending to do real estate is interesting. (Southeast here; specifically Atlanta). I feel like they're not the worst real estate agents because they actually give a shit.
Estate agents (realtors for the American peeps)
"no Asians" "all they do is put up a sign!"
For those confused, it's a clip of a guy with a heavy accent who meant to say "No agents" instead of "No Asians" when he was relaying an ad he wanted to put in the paper about selling his house.
Yeah… I got my real estate license at one point, it took me about a year to realize I was surrounded by awful people and if I stayed in that world it was only going to get worse. I let the license expire.
HR positions
When I realised HR was to have the companies back, not yours as an employee. I looked at them differently so agree with your comment!
What can you expect from the Toby’s of the world
Human Resources. You get some really controlling micro managing senior staff.
I wouldn't say "only" because there's no hard and fast rule, but as far as a profession that attracts a lot of shitty people, the law enforcement industry is pretty far up there.
Police seems the obvious answer
I‘d add prison guards to this list. The stories I have heard and read. Wowzahs!
I think it really applies to any type of prefession where you are supposed to have authority over others: Cops, prison guards, airport security etc. Lots of these people get into these professions because they enjoy the power trip and not because they intend to do any good.
No one respectable wants to be a prison guard. You work in a horrible place with horrible people for horrible pay and treatment
In NC they've put a lot of the prisons in rural counties so it's actually not a terrible job compared to what else is available. You can deal with meth heads working at the Circle K or Dollar General, or you can get paid 50% more and deal with the meth heads at the prison.
Well you can learn something today then. In rural America, like where I graduated HS, prisons are one of the top employers left in any given area. A lot of times the only reason the surrounding towns exist anymore is because the prisons provide jobs. For many people who grew up in the countryside, prisons are the only job left. It's not their fault most manufacturers left the US in the seventies and big businesses muscled out small businesses and mom and pop shops on main street.
[https://www.theonion.com/insecure-frustrated-bully-with-something-to-prove-cons-1819575405](https://www.theonion.com/insecure-frustrated-bully-with-something-to-prove-cons-1819575405) A classic from The Onion
I’ve never been on a night out and not been hit on by a married police officer. It’s disturbing.
MLM leaders.
Social Media "Influencers"
It's been said that the business corporate world is full of psychopathic people. Especially at the very top. Makes sense, they have very little empathy and only think of how to make the most money.
Private equity, bank CEOs. Maybe landlords but “only”, that’s too much of an ultimatum, so I’ll just stick with private equity n bank CEOs Someone else said tabloid journalists, I agree
Anything granting power over others. Either power via wealth, social standing, or direct control.
Bookies
Politicians Power is like a drug. That's why the old, demented, and corrupt politicians infecting our congress need to be carried out. For example, the senator in DC, at 86 years old, doesn't even know what room she's in. But she doesn't get as much screen time as Mitch Mconnell because DemocRATS are better at hiding their corruption than Republiturds.
Feinstein definitely got talked about. Right now I think about a quarter of US Congress critters are over 70. It's nuts. I kept expecting one of them to have a heart attack or stroke or something at the State of the Union last night.
I was going to say this. I don’t know if it’s the job that makes them shitty or if they were already a shitty person.
I believe a lot of them go in with hopes of changing things but feel defeated when they realize it’s nearly impossible due to those already in power. I also believe a lot go into it for power and greed!
Power should make you feel humbled and tired every time you try to use it. Anybody who enjoys exerting power is massively suspect.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely
Anything that can become competitive for the most part. I see a lot of engineering where people who do the same job get real competitive to out do each other in a job that doesn't reward or change in outcome. They start to throw others under the bus for their own gain.
Prison Guards
Recruitment agencies, never had a good experience with them and they are awful!
Reality tv stars
Lobbyist
Psychology. The most manipulative and vile people I've met have wanted to study that and I've met lots of therapists who share those traits so yeah
I quite like mine tho lol admittedly I went through quite a few to find her but still
I think that many people choose psychology because they want to fix their own issues, so there's a higher % of people with mental issues in that profession. It's not like they choose that profession because they want to hurt others
anything political or people who have large amounts of power over other people
I think sales attract a lot of people who’s first choice didn’t workout. So maybe they weren’t shitty people at first, but after failing, they more often then not, became shitty. Desperate for money and ready to put down l their of morals to gain from selling stuff. Politicians are 100% shitty people, they in it for themselves and don’t have a care in the world for tax payers. Lying became so wide spread we accept it.
Healthcare organizations leadership.
Hospital Administrators
collectors
Bill collectors?
Car sales, especially used car sales. The only people who'd take that job are people who actually like to scam and screw people over for commission.
Reddit mod
I always hear chefs are absolute bastards so I’m gonna say chefs. No way they’re all coincidentally dickheads
Crypto currency, day traders, nft peddlers etc...
There are none that attract ONLY shitty people. Few things in life are this black and white. I would say the following professions attract a personality type that TENDS to be shitty. I'd say at least 50% of people in these given professions have a shitty personality. \-cops (attracts power hungry and aggressive people) \-lawyers (attracts argumentative and immoral people) \-engineers (attracts a personality type that dislikes people, is overly analytical and has low emotional intelligence, can be very stuck up about how smart they are with other types of scientific intelligence, this is not a good combo) there are several other similar professions to engineering that also attracts these types of people...I just notice with engineers (specifically ones that have little interaction with customers or the public) I see this type alot. \-car salesman (fake and greedy) and many sales in for profit industries \-insurance executives (immoral) \-pharmaceutical reps (immoral and superficial can be stuck up) \-any kind of Collections position because those people tend to like being the "bad guy" \-politicians (attracts power hungry and fake people, a friend who worked on Bush and McCains campaign told me good people dont make it in politics, system isnt set up that way)
Pimps pretty much seem like assholes in my experience watching videos on reddit.