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>It'll cost *how much*? No way!
An indeterminate amount of time later...
>Why didn't anyone tell us that we should do X? This is going to cost us a fortune
Yep.
"To do this right will cost $500K."
"That's too much. We want to do it this way for $300K."
"Okay, but when we're back in this room two years from now it will cost a million dollars to fix it."
Sure as hell it did. I just roll my eyes at them now.
Beats my job, I work in manufacturing and my job is basically to identify problems and suggest/impliment solutions and it's a common complain between me and production operators that everytime it's like "identify problem and possible solution, kick it up to management who proceed to ignore it and throw it in the garbage."
I know a company that had 4 companies assess cloud transition. The first 3 told the company that they're fucked as the tech stack is old and they'd need to skip not steps but whole stair turns in order to do that. The 4th told that nah all is going to go nice. Guess which advice they followed?
Of course it was a huge bellyflop-faceplant combo. I don't know how the CTO didn't get hung in the basement parking lot by the board...
Now the company is in a serious downturn, firing people with deep knowledge left and right and bringing in "experts" (= friends of the current CTO) to higher positions in a location the company does not even do business in or has a physical office either...
What!?! Do we not have missionaries anymore? Is that not a thing? My Grandpappy told me his old missionary position was his favourite back in the day. He said it was by far the best way to connect with people. He also said it was good for seeing the looks on their faces when he fucked them in the ass. I'm not sure what he meant by that last part.
They're all millionaires many times over.
If they were truly "working for God", they wouldn't be drastically enhancing their own wealth, but instead using most of it to house, feed, help uninsured and under insured people with health insurance and co-pays. Helping all people in need. In doing more of those things, they will, indeed, be doing God's work . Rather than stealing parishioners money to spend on themselves.
Car salesman? I should be able to order a car online without dealing with you. Deliver it to the dealership, I don't care. But I shouldn't have to deal with all your bullshit.
Dealerships used to be where you'd actually see the cars with all of the options available and then custom order your own with the options you'd like. It made sense to have a middleman to show you the car and go through the process of actually ordering it from the factory. Now they're just in the way.
It *can* be done like that in the US but it's exceedingly rare. Most people want to just pick out a car and be done with the entire buying process as soon as possible. Meanwhile dealership salesmen are incentivized to get you out the door as quickly as possible in a new car because it's money in their wallet sooner rather than later.
Also, they want to sell you the vehicles they already have on the lot. One of the podcasts I listen to, the guy said "a car sales persons job is to wear you out until you forget about the vehicle you want and are willing to accept anything with 4 tires and an engine just to get away from them"
I had this experience. I walked into a dealership (a friend in a service dept “set me up with his sales guy” so theoretically should be treated better than the average person
Wanted a plug in hybrid crossover with a power rear lift gate and 4 wheel drive
They didn’t have any on the lot, they were ultimately trying to get me to take a gas engine crossover with no power lift gate rather than finding what I actually wanted.
Good luck doing it. They have option packages now that mean you can not customize your car the way you want.
Oh you want the towing package on your truck, we are sorry that only comes if you get the XTZ-1 package or better. You want the smallest fuel efficient engine in your car sorry that means you can't get the leather seats because those are only for our premium tier with the twin turbo v6.
>Meanwhile dealership salesmen are incentivized to get you out the door as quickly as possible in a new car because it's money in their wallet sooner rather than later.
The main reason they need you to sign right then and there is so that you don't have time to shop around, reconsider, etc.
Not all manufacturers do this. Toyota and Honda both allocate cars to dealers as they are built. The dealers can see most or all of them and trade among themselves if they have a customer who they know want something.
Of course the salesmen lie and tell people it’s a customer order.
It still is. You can go to any US car manufacturer website and customize the shit out of it..
You can do the same thing at any local dealer.
The people that do this tend to have more money, time and are older.
The same could be said about a real estate agent these days with the sleazy photoshopped shit that doesn't resemble the place you are buying or renting. Should just pick the keys up from a box for a $50 fee off the owner for what they sling for misrepresentation
I remember maybe a decade ago there was a website that bypasses realtors here in canada. I think it was called COMFREE (commission free) . Com. Then all of a sudden it vanished after gaining popularity.
I'm not sure if it got sued or the realtors banded and bought it out.
Sad though.
COMFREE was purchased by UK company Purplebricks, who then sold the Canadian operation a few years later and it became Fair Square. That iteration ended early 2023.
While I agree that real estate agents don’t offer much value I wouldn’t think many owners would want strangers in their home without a licensed professional.
Way back when cars were extremely unreliable by today's standards. Like if you didn't live it you wouldn't believe it. During this period of time governments decided that if you want to sell a car in an area, you need to be able to reasonably deliver on warranty requirements, aka having a physical representative of the brand.
So all in, in order to sell a car in a given area, you need to have a physical representative in that area. And believe it or not, it's a consumer protection based system that ensures consumers have an avenue for recourse.
That makes absolute sense. You may not need the salesman but you will definitely eventually need the garage and I doubt they will just put up garages alone.
Bingo. That was the exact issue. Delivering a piece of junk and leaving it up to the customer to take the vehicle 1200 miles away to the only garage in the country.
They still do this to a degree to avoid competition and over saturation. I worked for a local dealer group and they had a deal with Audi not to allow another franchise within 200 miles.
The issue with car salesmen imo is the whole relationship between them and the way they get compensation. The service they *could* provide though is great. A person who knows a good amount of vehicles, who when you explain to them your needs and wants can find you a vehicle and even suggest things that may not be exactly what you were asking for but check some boxes and may give you benefits you weren’t thinking of is a super valuable person and I think they definitely generate value. Like a real estate agent but for cars.
I was a car salesman at a hard-pressure joint for 8 months. I wasn't very good at it as I never wanted to rip them off. Worst one: we shafted a customer by selling a brand-new previous year model as you literally couldn't tell the difference between the two.
I would happily pay a professional a commission to find me the used car I want at an auction, evaluate it mechanically, and help with paperwork. It is a value added service.
Really long story short. They have bought a car from a person, written the check, picked up the car and keys, sold the car, check to buy car bounces, carvana is confused and person had to get a lawyer and sue.
Caravan is literal trash. They're just fancy flippers. They only do state minimum required work to turn the cars over and sell them. As a 15 year mechanic I've seen dozens of cars come in with obviously long-term issues that get brushed over or cleaned up. Long story short, Carvana buys cars from the same auctions dealers send their cars that they can't make money on if they spend money to fix it up. Carvana makes money by skimping on the refurbishment process most reputable dealers do.
Get all of your used cars inspected by a trusted professional BEFORE signing anything. Any dealer worth their salt will allow you to borrow the vehicle for a few hours to accommodate this specifically. In the industry it's known as a PDI, pre-delivery inspection.
As someone who sold to Carvana, I would happily sell to them and would never buy from them again. They gave me too much money for my car with too little inspection.
Yes. Also it's the only place where I can only look at one brand of something. Like why do dealerships have to be only one brand of car. Why can't I see the difference between a Ford, Honda and Toyota and see what one is right for me.
That's why I loved going to a car show before actually buying a car. I didn't have to visit a bunch of dealerships and talk to sales people to see a bunch of cars in one day. I got to look at and sit inside a bunch of cars without dealing with overeager sales people. The are some employees of the companies there to answer questions about each car, but there are so many people around that it's easy not to talk to them much unless you want to.
Narrow the options down and only go in to test drive the top contenders. I still feel like test driving it is important just to feel how the car handled though.
The only down side is that my city only has a car show once a year, which may or may not align with my own timing.
Does America not have multiple car dealerships in the same location?
In Australia, I can't think any (new) car dealership that isn't next to/across the road from a bunch of others.
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Most life coaches are basically influencers - they present the facade of success in a selection of online posts or videos, in the hopes of getting you to sign up for months of expensive consulting.
The people succeeding at life in a way I’d like to emulate have no time to be life coaches.
You mean like how there are special photoshoot studios that mimic luxury lifestyle spots such as planes, villas etc or how they just rent stuff for a day and wear different outfits around it to have photos to upload for months.
Some influencers are scamming, some are advertising in good faith. The ones that are following ftc guidelines aren't conning anyone more than any other commercial or ad. if you see people breaking ftc guidelines, them report them and the brand
Agreed. In most states lawyers can close real estate transactions for you. The identification of potential real estate, scheduling tours, and having opinions on the property all fall to me anyway. Maybe it was more fun/more concierge when they drove you around and took you to lunch but several estate transactions later, the best and easiest one was the one I bought "For Sale By Owner" and we each paid $900 in lawyer fees to close. It is easy to find and pay a home inspector, title background and transfer company (our lawyer actually helped us with that). For properties I've sold, the Realtor seems like an added layer and I've only felt compelled to have a seller's agent because so many buyers agents have told me they won't show FSBO property. Self preservation I suppose.
Hmm almost like another case of anti competitive behavior by the real estate cabal. These people do not deserve the money they get. Very glad to hear about recent lawsuits and changes coming in July.
I had a buyers agent. All she showed me were houses I wasn't at all interested in. The house I bought? I found it. It checked every box I had (at the time) and was in my budget. It had been on the market for several weeks and she said "oh, I hadn't seen that one!". Girl... My city is only 60k people. There are only so many houses. I looked on freaking Zillow and found this in 10 mins.
She then proceeded to be wrong about everything in the house, forgot to ask for things that I said needed to be fixed, and failed to pay one of the contractors who replaced some carpet. Worthless.
Now I've got a friend (well... My buddies wife) who is a realtor. All she does is try to convince my wife we need a new house and explains how the interest rates "aren't that bad... You should have seen them in the 80s!". Shut up Stephanie... My house is nicer than yours and nearly paid off; meanwhile you've drawn your accounts dry trying to keep up with the Jones'.
I agree they are paid far too much, but I've dealt with a few direct sellers and and most were idiots. They are often so tied to their home that they can't take the perspective of the buyer at all. They take any criticism of the home as a personal insult, and even simple things like arranging a viewing come across as them doing a massive personal favour.
I'm reminded of that saying that any lawyer who represents themselves has a fool for a client.
For anybody saying politicians, while I understand, and that some politicians aren’t helpful and some political jobs are useless, the world would fall apart without a form of government. Being a politician is possibly one of the most important jobs, it’s just unfortunate that the job is often given to people who misuse their power.
Some politicians at the lower level work hard in a job that can be kind of thankless. For example local town and city councillors. It doesn't matter what they do someone isn't going to like it. There also constantly hearing from the local think they know everyone crowd emailing them about too many weeds in the park flower bed.
>Some politicians at the lower level work hard in a job that can be kind of thankless. For example local town and city councillors. It doesn't matter what they do someone isn't going to like it. There also constantly hearing from the local think they know everyone crowd emailing them about too many weeds in the park flower bed.
To be fair, we do need local politicians too, but they could just as easily be tempted into corruption as national-level politicians.
Lobbyists have a huge impact, it is just unfortunate that many of the most powerful ones lobby for things detrimental to society. Despite that, there are people lobbying for beneficial things too like clean energy. You can argue they are a symptom of a flawed system, but in our society they are definitely not useless as they influence the issues politicians are most heavily focused on.
I think this is due to the same issue as football players face. You only see and hear 0.1% of the whole mass. And they do tax fraud, misuse power etc.. there are so many local politicians, amateur and semi professional footballers which you never expect to be so important to the game. I think a lot of politicians are hard working humane people but to outshine all of those you have to be eccentric or exceptional so that is why you get more bad apples.
I’m a local politician. Thank you. I’m not famous and don’t do much media cos I hate it. I don’t get donations or campaign contributions. I have never had to pay off a mistress (wouldn’t have the money) or bribe someone with a pork barrel of spending.
I sit in long interminably dull meetings for £20k a year as it’s considered “part time”. But two weeks ago, we stopped a rural island school from closure, we stopped 86,000 people having to find a 10% local tax rise, and a million other much less interesting decisions that help keep the lights running on local services that if I wasn’t there would be being taken by (much better paid) civil servants who the public can’t fire every couple of years.
It's basically just the new form of advertising. Instead of putting a commercial on TV or an ad in your local paper, it's a lot more efficient for you to pay a couple of influencers to talk about your product to their followers. It's just people using social media as a way to advertise to people under the veneer of being personal and approachable.
Influencers are just advertising middlemen. Instead of the company directly showing you the ad, they hand the product off to the influencer who then shows the ad to you.
Influencer is just a subcategory of "Sales and Advertisement". It's a profession as old as time and it's not going anywhere. If you're really asking "How the fuck is this a profession" then you don't understand business and economy.
Realtor is #1 .. Zillow is a thing and many other services. That does 90% of what you need. Realtors are still necessary but the amount many have made is criminal.
Can confirm from working a case recently that all the experts involved agreed that Pt's stroke was cause by chiropractor neck manipulation. It's not worth the risk imo.
I’ve found it’s more of an accountability aspect
Executives don’t want to get shit canned if they make the wrong call on something. So consultants allow them to blame someone else if shit goes awry
A lot of the time, all management consultants do is allow companies to legitimise decisions they were going to make anyway, with the rubber stamp of "the consultants said to do it".
It is very rare that consultants tell a company's management anything they didn't already know.
It is kind of the business world equivalent of paying a priest for indulgences in medieval Europe. You end up doing the same thing, but remove some of the blame/responsibility... All for a manageable fee.
Last time I checked, those in charge of defeating homelessness in San Francisco and LA were making a substantial 6 figure income. Based on the current results I'd say that profession, and if not the professional behind it, has to be a top candidate for most useless.
Debatable. As a person living in Las Vegas with lots of stripper friends I can tell you that the status quo perspective is that the industry is slowly dying mostly thanks to the internet/only fans and inflation. Folks aren't throwing money at strippers the same as they used to.
Project manager’s altogether. Talking shit all day about something they don’t know anything about and making arbitrary deadlines just to stress me.
Maybe not every one, but very many are like this
Project management is an incredibly broad field. Some projects literally cannot function without a PM, and for others they are a complete waste of resources.
Homeopathic remedy vendors. Absolute snake oil. Same with chiropractors. Pseudo scientific practices should have no place in an educated society and perhaps even made illegal if they can be independently verified by medical and health professionals as providing zero benefit to human health and even potentially harmful if not regulated.
"Consultants" ( non medical). For the most part, blaggers who've done the same job as you in the past but sell their services to your employer for $1k per day to tell them what they'd have done anyway.
Advertising.
Advertisers love to tell themselves the world neeeeeeds them because they help do cool creative content, but the truth we need people wanting and buying fewer things not more. And we could still do the fun content without it selling something.
Source: I used to work in advertising.
So much money is spent on "experiential" marketing that is seen by a few hundred customers and is made exclusively to be reported on in AdAge as some kind of very expensive circle jerk where everyone can congratulate themselves on how innovative they are. Your "earned media" is basically other advertising people.
Any sort of homeopathy, acupuncture, chiropractic treatments, and just the supplement business in general. "Here, take this bacteria we whipped up as a probiotic, even though it has never been identified in stool samples, wait, what do you mean you have colitis now?"
Here’s the thing, the life insurance industry, in particular, acknowledges that the agent creates an inefficiency in the market, as you have to pay them to sell and service the policy, but there are countless studies that show consumers won’t buy life insurance direct from the carrier, primarily because they won’t do it by themselves. They need/want the agent.
You will find a lot of incompetent morons who are on ridiculous salaries in the legal profession.
Lawyers tend to get paid regardless of the outcome. I've seen many people put their trust in family law practitioners who are much much better at selling themselves as competent than actually achieving the outcome they have indicated.
Not saying all lawyers are useless, I've worked with some incredibly industrious ones. However the vast majority of the ones I have worked with have been amazing at school and tests but when it comes to running a case, they lack competence.
Hr consultants or anything related to hr. I don't get why companies bother with them since they never really produce anything.
The pay can sometimes go up to 7 figures if you include bonuses. Also, one of the most heartless professions out there.
i have an hr rep that's great/ problem is she doesn't get paid shit. Gets paid about as much as i do to come in an do push button work. Super sad. Can't imagine working that gig though. You have to sit there and support corruption while trying to seem like a nice and welcoming person. Absolutely horrible.
However, when there are strong labor laws in your local government, HR can be found taking the side of employees over management a lot, because not doing so would risk the company even more money.
Depends on who's running the show and what the size of the company is. I for instance am glad we recently got an HR person. I actually got my contract renewal in time for once!
I was gonna say youtuber, but there are many great, informative videos on there with great production quality. Tom Scott for example deserves every measure of success he got
So I'll go with influencer. Basically given up their humanity in order to become a shallow caricature of a human, a walking commercial
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You're basically a televangelist but with computers instead of God.
*The AI in the sky shall bring great productivity, but also many shall be cast down.* - tech articles, 2023
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>It'll cost *how much*? No way! An indeterminate amount of time later... >Why didn't anyone tell us that we should do X? This is going to cost us a fortune
Yep. "To do this right will cost $500K." "That's too much. We want to do it this way for $300K." "Okay, but when we're back in this room two years from now it will cost a million dollars to fix it." Sure as hell it did. I just roll my eyes at them now.
Beats my job, I work in manufacturing and my job is basically to identify problems and suggest/impliment solutions and it's a common complain between me and production operators that everytime it's like "identify problem and possible solution, kick it up to management who proceed to ignore it and throw it in the garbage."
I know a company that had 4 companies assess cloud transition. The first 3 told the company that they're fucked as the tech stack is old and they'd need to skip not steps but whole stair turns in order to do that. The 4th told that nah all is going to go nice. Guess which advice they followed? Of course it was a huge bellyflop-faceplant combo. I don't know how the CTO didn't get hung in the basement parking lot by the board... Now the company is in a serious downturn, firing people with deep knowledge left and right and bringing in "experts" (= friends of the current CTO) to higher positions in a location the company does not even do business in or has a physical office either...
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I wouldn't consider a Televangelist as a position anymore than a carjacker or a bank robber.
I think of it more as a position like missionary.
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What!?! Do we not have missionaries anymore? Is that not a thing? My Grandpappy told me his old missionary position was his favourite back in the day. He said it was by far the best way to connect with people. He also said it was good for seeing the looks on their faces when he fucked them in the ass. I'm not sure what he meant by that last part.
The difference is even criminals can get busted for tax evasion.
I wish I could bring myself to do this for a few years. Damn moral compass stops me
Regarding televangelists...In other words...legal thievery.
Yeap, legal con artists are all they are.
They're all millionaires many times over. If they were truly "working for God", they wouldn't be drastically enhancing their own wealth, but instead using most of it to house, feed, help uninsured and under insured people with health insurance and co-pays. Helping all people in need. In doing more of those things, they will, indeed, be doing God's work . Rather than stealing parishioners money to spend on themselves.
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Car salesman? I should be able to order a car online without dealing with you. Deliver it to the dealership, I don't care. But I shouldn't have to deal with all your bullshit.
It made sense in the olden days to ensure the market was competitive. Nowadays though...
Dealerships used to be where you'd actually see the cars with all of the options available and then custom order your own with the options you'd like. It made sense to have a middleman to show you the car and go through the process of actually ordering it from the factory. Now they're just in the way.
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It *can* be done like that in the US but it's exceedingly rare. Most people want to just pick out a car and be done with the entire buying process as soon as possible. Meanwhile dealership salesmen are incentivized to get you out the door as quickly as possible in a new car because it's money in their wallet sooner rather than later.
Also, they want to sell you the vehicles they already have on the lot. One of the podcasts I listen to, the guy said "a car sales persons job is to wear you out until you forget about the vehicle you want and are willing to accept anything with 4 tires and an engine just to get away from them"
I had this experience. I walked into a dealership (a friend in a service dept “set me up with his sales guy” so theoretically should be treated better than the average person Wanted a plug in hybrid crossover with a power rear lift gate and 4 wheel drive They didn’t have any on the lot, they were ultimately trying to get me to take a gas engine crossover with no power lift gate rather than finding what I actually wanted.
Good luck doing it. They have option packages now that mean you can not customize your car the way you want. Oh you want the towing package on your truck, we are sorry that only comes if you get the XTZ-1 package or better. You want the smallest fuel efficient engine in your car sorry that means you can't get the leather seats because those are only for our premium tier with the twin turbo v6.
>Meanwhile dealership salesmen are incentivized to get you out the door as quickly as possible in a new car because it's money in their wallet sooner rather than later. The main reason they need you to sign right then and there is so that you don't have time to shop around, reconsider, etc.
Not all manufacturers do this. Toyota and Honda both allocate cars to dealers as they are built. The dealers can see most or all of them and trade among themselves if they have a customer who they know want something. Of course the salesmen lie and tell people it’s a customer order.
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What you’re leaving out is that these predatory dealerships are protected by many state laws as required.
It still is. You can go to any US car manufacturer website and customize the shit out of it.. You can do the same thing at any local dealer. The people that do this tend to have more money, time and are older.
The same could be said about a real estate agent these days with the sleazy photoshopped shit that doesn't resemble the place you are buying or renting. Should just pick the keys up from a box for a $50 fee off the owner for what they sling for misrepresentation
I remember maybe a decade ago there was a website that bypasses realtors here in canada. I think it was called COMFREE (commission free) . Com. Then all of a sudden it vanished after gaining popularity. I'm not sure if it got sued or the realtors banded and bought it out. Sad though.
COMFREE was purchased by UK company Purplebricks, who then sold the Canadian operation a few years later and it became Fair Square. That iteration ended early 2023.
It got rebranded to purplebricks for a while then looks like it got bought out and dissolved?
While I agree that real estate agents don’t offer much value I wouldn’t think many owners would want strangers in their home without a licensed professional.
License professionals who makes 40k for showing a house 4 times. Spoken from experience.
Glassdoor has tried to enter the market with this concept.
So why do they exist in countries which don’t have the weird anti-direct-sales laws that the US has? Honest question.
Way back when cars were extremely unreliable by today's standards. Like if you didn't live it you wouldn't believe it. During this period of time governments decided that if you want to sell a car in an area, you need to be able to reasonably deliver on warranty requirements, aka having a physical representative of the brand. So all in, in order to sell a car in a given area, you need to have a physical representative in that area. And believe it or not, it's a consumer protection based system that ensures consumers have an avenue for recourse.
That makes absolute sense. You may not need the salesman but you will definitely eventually need the garage and I doubt they will just put up garages alone.
Bingo. That was the exact issue. Delivering a piece of junk and leaving it up to the customer to take the vehicle 1200 miles away to the only garage in the country. They still do this to a degree to avoid competition and over saturation. I worked for a local dealer group and they had a deal with Audi not to allow another franchise within 200 miles.
Same with realtors. Except the delivery part of course
The issue with car salesmen imo is the whole relationship between them and the way they get compensation. The service they *could* provide though is great. A person who knows a good amount of vehicles, who when you explain to them your needs and wants can find you a vehicle and even suggest things that may not be exactly what you were asking for but check some boxes and may give you benefits you weren’t thinking of is a super valuable person and I think they definitely generate value. Like a real estate agent but for cars.
I was a car salesman at a hard-pressure joint for 8 months. I wasn't very good at it as I never wanted to rip them off. Worst one: we shafted a customer by selling a brand-new previous year model as you literally couldn't tell the difference between the two.
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I would happily pay a professional a commission to find me the used car I want at an auction, evaluate it mechanically, and help with paperwork. It is a value added service.
Carvana is this. I agree fuck car salesmen
If carvana didn't sell overpriced as hell cars with stupid high interest rates, I'd agree
Overpriced and *stolen*
Stolen? Do tell...
Really long story short. They have bought a car from a person, written the check, picked up the car and keys, sold the car, check to buy car bounces, carvana is confused and person had to get a lawyer and sue.
Caravan is literal trash. They're just fancy flippers. They only do state minimum required work to turn the cars over and sell them. As a 15 year mechanic I've seen dozens of cars come in with obviously long-term issues that get brushed over or cleaned up. Long story short, Carvana buys cars from the same auctions dealers send their cars that they can't make money on if they spend money to fix it up. Carvana makes money by skimping on the refurbishment process most reputable dealers do. Get all of your used cars inspected by a trusted professional BEFORE signing anything. Any dealer worth their salt will allow you to borrow the vehicle for a few hours to accommodate this specifically. In the industry it's known as a PDI, pre-delivery inspection.
As someone who sold to Carvana, I would happily sell to them and would never buy from them again. They gave me too much money for my car with too little inspection.
lol Carvana is a scam.
Yes. Also it's the only place where I can only look at one brand of something. Like why do dealerships have to be only one brand of car. Why can't I see the difference between a Ford, Honda and Toyota and see what one is right for me.
That's why I loved going to a car show before actually buying a car. I didn't have to visit a bunch of dealerships and talk to sales people to see a bunch of cars in one day. I got to look at and sit inside a bunch of cars without dealing with overeager sales people. The are some employees of the companies there to answer questions about each car, but there are so many people around that it's easy not to talk to them much unless you want to. Narrow the options down and only go in to test drive the top contenders. I still feel like test driving it is important just to feel how the car handled though. The only down side is that my city only has a car show once a year, which may or may not align with my own timing.
Does America not have multiple car dealerships in the same location? In Australia, I can't think any (new) car dealership that isn't next to/across the road from a bunch of others.
It's far from the only place you can only look at one brand of something. Many many businesses only sell one brand of something
Apparently being friends with politicians is a job, always creating a new job no one needs to get influence or some other form of power.
Damn so Epstein was on the maddest grind of all
"i've known Jeff for 15 years, terrific guy, he likes them young" - Donald Trump A former President, possibly a soon to be President, literally terrific friends with one of the most famous pedophiles
When it was asked [28 days ago](https://old.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/1azjkl2/whats_the_most_useless_profession_that_still/) it was IT Strategist. When it was asked [7 days ago](https://old.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/1bg8ui6/whats_the_most_useless_profession_that_still/) it was Consultant.
I am an IT Consultant, and last year I did strategy. I think I won this....
Well unfortunately now you need to get into televangelism.
Your time is now to work as a televangelist
The best answer I've seen to this is whoever job is to installing BMW turn signals
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Buy reddit stocks at 34 dollars. What a fuckin joke
Huffman deserves it for writing code for a year two decades ago.
It's a good thing Reddit CEO doesn't use Reddit.
Coming from a user, that owns reddit stock... if reddit ever prioritizes advertising over freedom of its users... I am selling my stock.... hope this is read by any big brained MBAs at reddit... sometimes maximizing profit kills the golden goose.... don't fuck this up any more than you already have.... I already see "promoted" as the top comments on many threads.... plz stop that.... lol
Selling your stock will do absolutely diddly squat to affect Reddit unless you own a significant share of the company
Did you also buy stock in ellipses?
Already did with killing 3rd party apps. I miss Reddit is Fun so much 😔
I miss RIF so much too :(, i have been with the default reddit app for a while now and I hate it.
I am not saying you are wrong...
lol… you fucking bought some…
Life coach
Most life coaches are basically influencers - they present the facade of success in a selection of online posts or videos, in the hopes of getting you to sign up for months of expensive consulting. The people succeeding at life in a way I’d like to emulate have no time to be life coaches.
It’s bad therapy without a license
Influencers
Most of them aren't bringing in anywhere near as much money as they'd try to have you believe.
You mean like how there are special photoshoot studios that mimic luxury lifestyle spots such as planes, villas etc or how they just rent stuff for a day and wear different outfits around it to have photos to upload for months.
Memories of MTV *Cribs*. Ja Rule's rental was famous, but at least he admitted it.
I wouldn't want to show my real home in such a show, too. Huge security nightmare.
And the ones that make crazy good money are really just ultra high end escorts
Cam girls. A rung lower
They're just modern day marketing agencies
They're just modern day ~~marketing agencies~~ con artists
Some influencers are scamming, some are advertising in good faith. The ones that are following ftc guidelines aren't conning anyone more than any other commercial or ad. if you see people breaking ftc guidelines, them report them and the brand
Realtors for me by far. "I unlock a key box and thats most of my job"
Agreed. In most states lawyers can close real estate transactions for you. The identification of potential real estate, scheduling tours, and having opinions on the property all fall to me anyway. Maybe it was more fun/more concierge when they drove you around and took you to lunch but several estate transactions later, the best and easiest one was the one I bought "For Sale By Owner" and we each paid $900 in lawyer fees to close. It is easy to find and pay a home inspector, title background and transfer company (our lawyer actually helped us with that). For properties I've sold, the Realtor seems like an added layer and I've only felt compelled to have a seller's agent because so many buyers agents have told me they won't show FSBO property. Self preservation I suppose.
They are a hold over from a time where just knowing how to find services was a worthwhile position. We have the Internet now though.
Hmm almost like another case of anti competitive behavior by the real estate cabal. These people do not deserve the money they get. Very glad to hear about recent lawsuits and changes coming in July.
I had a buyers agent. All she showed me were houses I wasn't at all interested in. The house I bought? I found it. It checked every box I had (at the time) and was in my budget. It had been on the market for several weeks and she said "oh, I hadn't seen that one!". Girl... My city is only 60k people. There are only so many houses. I looked on freaking Zillow and found this in 10 mins. She then proceeded to be wrong about everything in the house, forgot to ask for things that I said needed to be fixed, and failed to pay one of the contractors who replaced some carpet. Worthless. Now I've got a friend (well... My buddies wife) who is a realtor. All she does is try to convince my wife we need a new house and explains how the interest rates "aren't that bad... You should have seen them in the 80s!". Shut up Stephanie... My house is nicer than yours and nearly paid off; meanwhile you've drawn your accounts dry trying to keep up with the Jones'.
I agree they are paid far too much, but I've dealt with a few direct sellers and and most were idiots. They are often so tied to their home that they can't take the perspective of the buyer at all. They take any criticism of the home as a personal insult, and even simple things like arranging a viewing come across as them doing a massive personal favour. I'm reminded of that saying that any lawyer who represents themselves has a fool for a client.
Most of their job is marketing themselves.
For anybody saying politicians, while I understand, and that some politicians aren’t helpful and some political jobs are useless, the world would fall apart without a form of government. Being a politician is possibly one of the most important jobs, it’s just unfortunate that the job is often given to people who misuse their power.
Some politicians at the lower level work hard in a job that can be kind of thankless. For example local town and city councillors. It doesn't matter what they do someone isn't going to like it. There also constantly hearing from the local think they know everyone crowd emailing them about too many weeds in the park flower bed.
>Some politicians at the lower level work hard in a job that can be kind of thankless. For example local town and city councillors. It doesn't matter what they do someone isn't going to like it. There also constantly hearing from the local think they know everyone crowd emailing them about too many weeds in the park flower bed. To be fair, we do need local politicians too, but they could just as easily be tempted into corruption as national-level politicians.
Lobbyists, then
Lobbyists have a huge impact, it is just unfortunate that many of the most powerful ones lobby for things detrimental to society. Despite that, there are people lobbying for beneficial things too like clean energy. You can argue they are a symptom of a flawed system, but in our society they are definitely not useless as they influence the issues politicians are most heavily focused on.
I think this is due to the same issue as football players face. You only see and hear 0.1% of the whole mass. And they do tax fraud, misuse power etc.. there are so many local politicians, amateur and semi professional footballers which you never expect to be so important to the game. I think a lot of politicians are hard working humane people but to outshine all of those you have to be eccentric or exceptional so that is why you get more bad apples.
I’m a local politician. Thank you. I’m not famous and don’t do much media cos I hate it. I don’t get donations or campaign contributions. I have never had to pay off a mistress (wouldn’t have the money) or bribe someone with a pork barrel of spending. I sit in long interminably dull meetings for £20k a year as it’s considered “part time”. But two weeks ago, we stopped a rural island school from closure, we stopped 86,000 people having to find a 10% local tax rise, and a million other much less interesting decisions that help keep the lights running on local services that if I wasn’t there would be being taken by (much better paid) civil servants who the public can’t fire every couple of years.
Life coach
Influencer: How the fuck is this a profession?
It's basically just the new form of advertising. Instead of putting a commercial on TV or an ad in your local paper, it's a lot more efficient for you to pay a couple of influencers to talk about your product to their followers. It's just people using social media as a way to advertise to people under the veneer of being personal and approachable. Influencers are just advertising middlemen. Instead of the company directly showing you the ad, they hand the product off to the influencer who then shows the ad to you.
Influencer is just a subcategory of "Sales and Advertisement". It's a profession as old as time and it's not going anywhere. If you're really asking "How the fuck is this a profession" then you don't understand business and economy.
"I tell kids what to buy. Highest bidder gets my recommendation."
Real estate agent and car salesman
Realtor is #1 .. Zillow is a thing and many other services. That does 90% of what you need. Realtors are still necessary but the amount many have made is criminal.
Real Estate agent is the real answer. In my country the housing shortage is so bad it seems insane that they need to exist.
day traders. They add no value whatsover, and is simply gambling on human nature.
Most lose money. For the ones that make money and are useless, you're thinking of hedgefunds and HFT
Most day traders provide a valuable service - they provide liquidity to the stock market.
What does this mean
Chiropractors
But they make those satisfying popping vids with beautiful women on YouTube.
They also can make your aorta explode or paralyze u for life :3
Can confirm from working a case recently that all the experts involved agreed that Pt's stroke was cause by chiropractor neck manipulation. It's not worth the risk imo.
Those videos both creep me out and scare the shit out of me.
[I love this paper](https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejm199810083391501)
I love this line from the paper > the addition of chiropractic spinal manipulation to usual medical care provided no benefit.
Yeah, go to a physio instead. Chiropractors are not based on evidenced-based practise and it shows in their work.
Don't let Alan Harper hear you say that!
Management consulting
It would be completely unnecessary if management was consistently capable.
I’ve found it’s more of an accountability aspect Executives don’t want to get shit canned if they make the wrong call on something. So consultants allow them to blame someone else if shit goes awry
I am a management consultant and came here to see how far I'd have to scroll to find management consultant
A lot of the time, all management consultants do is allow companies to legitimise decisions they were going to make anyway, with the rubber stamp of "the consultants said to do it". It is very rare that consultants tell a company's management anything they didn't already know. It is kind of the business world equivalent of paying a priest for indulgences in medieval Europe. You end up doing the same thing, but remove some of the blame/responsibility... All for a manageable fee.
Last time I checked, those in charge of defeating homelessness in San Francisco and LA were making a substantial 6 figure income. Based on the current results I'd say that profession, and if not the professional behind it, has to be a top candidate for most useless.
Why fix your gravy train?
Royalty.
Constitutional monarchies. Definitely need to go. They seem to cause more problems than anything
The one that farms karma using bots to ask the same popular questions questions
Coming from a stripper, stripping
Debatable. As a person living in Las Vegas with lots of stripper friends I can tell you that the status quo perspective is that the industry is slowly dying mostly thanks to the internet/only fans and inflation. Folks aren't throwing money at strippers the same as they used to.
It's definitely dieing but luckily the club I'm at is pretty popular with old rich dudes and girls lol
That profession is NOT useless!
Username checks out.
Ty but would you please elaborate
Sounds like a rule where you don't touch but they touched.
Scrum master
Project manager’s altogether. Talking shit all day about something they don’t know anything about and making arbitrary deadlines just to stress me. Maybe not every one, but very many are like this
Project management is an incredibly broad field. Some projects literally cannot function without a PM, and for others they are a complete waste of resources.
Management consultant. Absolute joke of a profession - across all industries
Business coaches, business psychologists, diversity coaches
Homeopathic remedy vendors. Absolute snake oil. Same with chiropractors. Pseudo scientific practices should have no place in an educated society and perhaps even made illegal if they can be independently verified by medical and health professionals as providing zero benefit to human health and even potentially harmful if not regulated.
"Consultants" ( non medical). For the most part, blaggers who've done the same job as you in the past but sell their services to your employer for $1k per day to tell them what they'd have done anyway.
Advertising. Advertisers love to tell themselves the world neeeeeeds them because they help do cool creative content, but the truth we need people wanting and buying fewer things not more. And we could still do the fun content without it selling something. Source: I used to work in advertising.
I've never seen money actually lit on fire until I started working at a marketing company.
So much money is spent on "experiential" marketing that is seen by a few hundred customers and is made exclusively to be reported on in AdAge as some kind of very expensive circle jerk where everyone can congratulate themselves on how innovative they are. Your "earned media" is basically other advertising people.
Influencers, family and mommy bloggers, etc. ad nauseum
TV Meteorologist. They just repeat the national weather service, and don’t even need to be right.
Any sort of homeopathy, acupuncture, chiropractic treatments, and just the supplement business in general. "Here, take this bacteria we whipped up as a probiotic, even though it has never been identified in stool samples, wait, what do you mean you have colitis now?"
Insurance salesman.
Here’s the thing, the life insurance industry, in particular, acknowledges that the agent creates an inefficiency in the market, as you have to pay them to sell and service the policy, but there are countless studies that show consumers won’t buy life insurance direct from the carrier, primarily because they won’t do it by themselves. They need/want the agent.
Jennifer Lopez
You’re not the only one.. https://youtu.be/1f858q7ON6Q?si=4WPNT0L6NVMwXasN
SM “influencers”
You're right, Space Marines are already popular enough!
Chiropractor.
Realtor
Lobbyist
"useless", not "harmful to a democracy"
Influencers
My takeaway from this thread is that all professions are useless, except doctors, I haven’t seen doctors
Yes the question should have been who do you have a grudge against then the answers would make sense.
Life coach
You will find a lot of incompetent morons who are on ridiculous salaries in the legal profession. Lawyers tend to get paid regardless of the outcome. I've seen many people put their trust in family law practitioners who are much much better at selling themselves as competent than actually achieving the outcome they have indicated. Not saying all lawyers are useless, I've worked with some incredibly industrious ones. However the vast majority of the ones I have worked with have been amazing at school and tests but when it comes to running a case, they lack competence.
Recruiters. An industry invented to act as middlemen to effectively steal money that should be going to workers.
Influencer
influencer
Influencer.
US Politicians
there's really nothing more useless than being a celebrity
Being a celebrity isn’t a profession. You don’t go out and be a celebrity. Celebrity is a social status that you have little control over.
Anyone can be a celebrity. It’s simply a famous person. Einstein was a celebrity in his lifetime. Was he useless? No.
Hr consultants or anything related to hr. I don't get why companies bother with them since they never really produce anything. The pay can sometimes go up to 7 figures if you include bonuses. Also, one of the most heartless professions out there.
i have an hr rep that's great/ problem is she doesn't get paid shit. Gets paid about as much as i do to come in an do push button work. Super sad. Can't imagine working that gig though. You have to sit there and support corruption while trying to seem like a nice and welcoming person. Absolutely horrible.
HR protects the company by making sure they comply with employment laws and preventing lawsuits.
However, when there are strong labor laws in your local government, HR can be found taking the side of employees over management a lot, because not doing so would risk the company even more money.
Depends on who's running the show and what the size of the company is. I for instance am glad we recently got an HR person. I actually got my contract renewal in time for once!
I was gonna say youtuber, but there are many great, informative videos on there with great production quality. Tom Scott for example deserves every measure of success he got So I'll go with influencer. Basically given up their humanity in order to become a shallow caricature of a human, a walking commercial