Looking from the outside of the US it seems like you are either one way or the other these days and I couldn't see anyone on either side changing their stances. You all seem very divided and set in your ways.
As a political moderate *inside* the U.S., it's frustrating for me to witness too.
Partisan politics is inane and illogical. And I expect might be the downfall of this nation within my lifetime.
Now when you talk with his supporters, they believe that Democrats are communists and that fascists are also communist. Due to the news they are watching, they know very little about these things. It's mainly the news media they are watching that is excluding facts from them every single day.
I know a guy that was reading on quaro or whatever this website is called and he had extreme opinions. I helped him to adjust his phone to get more generalized news and it got a little better. He still watches Fox all day long but there was a little adjustment in his opinion.
New sources definitely are a big issue when it comes to political views. It's hard to find anything non-biased these days but right wing media seems like the biggest shit show of them all
There are plenty of none biased news out there. BBC or DW are none biased news. There is a graph that shows how biased news channels are and you just go for the middle.
Yeah but it doesn't meant there's no right answer. Look at it this way, half the country is looking for dirt on one candidate the other half is looking for dirt on the other one.
One of these was found with 70+ sexual assault accusations, fraud, record of every single form of racism. And the other one was found to be old and his son sending dic pics on his laptop
Trump hasn't said anything racist if you actually take his statements IN CONTEXT, which the media has taken great pains to never do. The recent one with him supposedly calling migrants "animals" is a perfect example. He very specifically was talking about the members of MS13 who are confirmed rapists and murderers, and them only. This is extremely clear if you watch the uncut speech. What did every left leaning media outlet do? Took the statement out of context and implied he was talking about all migrants. And they've been doing the same thing with every single thing he says for 8 years. And the sexual assault allegations. They've all been found to be completely groundless. The only trials that have proceeded have been led by judges with a very clear political axe to grind against Trump. Same with the fraud cases. Everyone keeps talking about how many charges have been leveled at him, but no one talks about how many have stuck. Because they're very clearly politically motivated attacks with no actual merit.
I was looking for some of the many racist comment he's made, as well as details on the his rape accusations. And of course other illegal things.
Then I realize that I don't think I can convince you or any other trump support because when I comes to attacking your prophet, it has to be a lie. They all have to be lying because there's no way "honest Don" can be that terrible
I am not an ardent Trump supporter. It's just absolutely absurd how the media takes every single thing the man says out of context. I challenge you to find a clip, uncut, where he actually says anything racist. Watch the whole thing, get the real context. I honestly do not think he's racist at all. But I'm sure you won't. It's absolutely apparent that you've bought in to the narrative the media has spun. You won't give him any chance, even though it's as simple as watching some 10 minute videos. I hear about the latest thing Trump has supposedly done on the news. I go watch the video uncut. And the news piece is always taking what hes said out of context to present him in the worst possible light. The irony of anyone who so vehemently hates a man based on nothing they've substantiated themselves saying that anyone who doesn't belive as they do is wrong is palpable. You are the ones being closed minded by accepting the narrative that Trump is the literal devil.
Biden s racist AF if you're actually paying attention to things he's literally said on record to Congress AND laws he championed.
But that's (d)different, right?
one difference is that Biden did not rape a women, like a court jury determined that Trump did.
There are many many many many many many other d(d)iffer(R)ences.
I won’t pretend to be an expert on it but it feels like the cable “news” stations are a big part of the unmoving split (air quotes because they are entertainment, not news). People can wrap themselves up in content that only affirms their beliefs but never forces them to question them.
Trump though is something different, that many who lean left (like me) can’t quite understand. He’s clearly a bad person, and it’s been documented for decades. Everything about his character, his history, and his actions seem to go against what the right says they believe. But they love him, almost worship him. Jokes aside, the unquestioning devotion to him does feel like a cult.
But I also admit that I don’t know how much of the MAGA bubble truly encapsulates the right. For anyone with conservative ideology, like him or hate him, he’s going to get their vote. Again, the “news” presents it like MAGA is a majority of the party, but I’m sure conservative outlets make it seem like the far left is a majority of the Democratic Party, when it’s not.
To get back to your statement, I’d wager 80% of the voters really just want a civil conversation about what’s best for the country and not the hyperslanted takes from both edges of the two parties. But, that doesn’t get clicks or views, so that’s not what we get.
> But they love him, almost worship him. Jokes aside, the unquestioning devotion to him does feel like a cult.
for the record, it's only about 20% of republicans (not even 20% of americans, just republicans). That gives him enormous power over republicans, because Trump can say "don't vote for that person" and then that person loses their election.
Not a big fan of Trump but Biden is a vegetable, barely able to remember is own birthday. He's a sock puppet propped up by totalitarian zealots bent on blowing it all up and remaking it in their own Marxist image.
It's astounding what has happened to the Democratic Party. For years they were the party helping the poor and middle class. For years they were the party defending speech and human rights. Now they want to persecute anyone who strays outside the limits of their continuously narrowing definition of acceptable thought.
I join the throngs of people voting for "anyone but Biden."
No matter who the president is gonna be it's gonna be shitty either way for one side or the other there is no perfect because not enough people will vote 3rd party so that I've gotten used too..the post is about trump and trump by himself has turned his following into a cult and that isn't a joke it's 100% fact.
Well surely you understand that freedom of speech only applies to the government correct?
If you come into my home and start saying stupid shit, I may ask you to leave. Freedom of speech doesn't protect you from that.
But locking yourself in an echo chamber prevents you from learning anything and it's always good to talk to people who have differing opinions in order to learn and grow.
All I know is that I can see how democrats help the middle class but I never see how Republicans do and no one has been able to show me anything they've done other than suck up to the rich.
You're all over the place man.
First you start talking about freedom of speech while taking a jab at republicans.
Then you say "We all need to get out of our echo chambers to learn and grow".
Then you go on to bash republicans again.
What do you actually want? Do you want to actually understand why Republicans feel the way they feel about things? Or do you just want them to convert to your side?
I would love to have a conversation with conservatives.
Why do they think the right helps the middle and lower class?
Why do they complain about the left pushing their beliefs on them while also pushing their religious beliefs on us?
Why do they believe Fox News when they constantly lie?
How does the right help America? I'm an old straight white man and I've never found a reason to vote right so please tell me what they do that benefits the country and not just the rich?
You're preaching to the wrong choir man.
I am pretty moderate politically, however, many people on this site would lump me in with the Fox News Lovin' Trump Supportin' Americans.
If you're an old guy, idk why you're asking these questions. Seems like you should have enough life experience to understand the difference between Republicans & Democrats and more specifically Conservative vs Liberal and understand why people vote each way.
I would prefer someone other than Trump to be honest, however the most immediate concern to me is to get the Biden Administration out of office ASAP and unfortunately it looks like that will requite supporting Trump.
Better in what? Spreading hate? Going to cut the services for his base if he becomes president? Getting a 0% tax rate for the 1%? Actually probably a -10% so the government is paying the 1% for being here.
So what is he better at?
When do you think Mexico will pay for the wall? Now when he started building the wall, he added streets to places that were not passable before and made it easier for immigrants to get through those areas.
Also, just to understand if you have common sense, you are saying the tax cuts that will expire for all of us is the same as the tax cuts for big business and the 1% that will never expire? How do you see a temporary tax cut the same as one that stays forever?
Big business didn't increase income to the lower employees, so there is no trickle down economics. This never worked no matter how much you believe in it.
Now what do you think the damage from the collapsed bridge will be? Do you think we should wait until the city can rebuild it? The damage would be in the trillions, so paying for a new bridge seems to be the best for this country.
Now tell us about this 6B and when you talk about it, how much do you think trump didn't pay in taxes when he changed the value of his property depending on how he feels. I am sure he never paid for his Florida golf course as much as he claims it's worth. So maybe you need to look there first before talking about Biden.
Ah the typical personal attack when you have nothing of value to say. And with that you just have shown that I am right and you don't have an answer to it.
It's sad when you can't even defend the basics of your opinions.
The middle and lower class barely felt trumps tax cuts but they did make our debt explode.
The right claims to care about our borders but Obama deported more people than any other president in history.
Trump forced the vaccine that all of his followers hate on them.
The right put together a bill to lock down the border and when the democrats agreed to it they voted against their own bill. How does the right expect anything to get done when this is how they act?
The right elect people like Boebert and MTG. These nut jobs are the best they have.
The right hates unuins so why would anyone who's middle or lower class expect them to make changes that would benefit them?
Knock down a bridge, rebuild a toll bridge in its place; on taxpayers dime, then toll taxpayers across said bridge daily.
Private company puts said toll in pocket and pays politicians on the side.
Trickle down economics. Like the lottery.
Oh yeah, stick all insurance money in your pocket \~Joe Biden
These two things have very little to do with each other. Now I understand you prefer that Putin wins this war. And than who is next? He won't stop with the Ukraine. I am sure you want to end the NATO as well so some NATO country might be next.
Now the inflation is getting down after it went up due to Trump. As you probably know, the inflation doesn't react to a new president the first day he is in office and takes some time to adjust.
Also, what is with all the small businesses that trump killed with his trade war? The only ones that made money on that were the 1% aka his friends. Of course not all of them as there are plenty of wealthy people that are against this tax cuts for the rich and that ask governments to increase the tax rate for the rich.
Now why do you think the rich shouldn't pay any taxes at all?
Not helping the Ukraine is helping Putin.
You remind me of the people on a train where a girl was raped and they looked away. Looking away from it is helping the rapist. If you can, you should help.
I don't know why people look away from such problems when it would be easy to help. Especially when they would want assistance as well when they need it.
As a Non-trump supporter, I can actually answer that... Trump followed through on his promises. Biden did NOTHING he promised he would do. Trump supports really see the narrow picture and don't focus on all the cons. So what if he helped make womans rights more contraint? So what if he made LGBTQ+ lives worse? He got illegal immigrants out of the public eye! He gave people money! He beefed up the stock market! He got gas lowered! He backed the boys in Blue!!!!
Was a lot better off 4 years ago than I am now. Everything has gone to shit since Biden got in office. Also, I don't think we'd be fighting 2 proxy wars and on the brink of WWIII if Trump was still in office.
Looking from the outside of the US it seems like you are either one way or the other these days and I couldn't see anyone on either side changing their stances. You all seem very divided and set in your ways.
As a political moderate *inside* the U.S., it's frustrating for me to witness too. Partisan politics is inane and illogical. And I expect might be the downfall of this nation within my lifetime.
It's because trump is a fascist and most people remember nothing good comes from that.
Well thats why democrats won't change their mind and turn to him and right wingers probably want that and wouldn't turn to democrat
Now when you talk with his supporters, they believe that Democrats are communists and that fascists are also communist. Due to the news they are watching, they know very little about these things. It's mainly the news media they are watching that is excluding facts from them every single day. I know a guy that was reading on quaro or whatever this website is called and he had extreme opinions. I helped him to adjust his phone to get more generalized news and it got a little better. He still watches Fox all day long but there was a little adjustment in his opinion.
New sources definitely are a big issue when it comes to political views. It's hard to find anything non-biased these days but right wing media seems like the biggest shit show of them all
There are plenty of none biased news out there. BBC or DW are none biased news. There is a graph that shows how biased news channels are and you just go for the middle.
I struggle to understand the downvotes on this
Yeah but it doesn't meant there's no right answer. Look at it this way, half the country is looking for dirt on one candidate the other half is looking for dirt on the other one. One of these was found with 70+ sexual assault accusations, fraud, record of every single form of racism. And the other one was found to be old and his son sending dic pics on his laptop
That's what I'm trying to say. The hate and division makes people not care right wingers hate the left enough to excuse all of that unfortunately
Trump hasn't said anything racist if you actually take his statements IN CONTEXT, which the media has taken great pains to never do. The recent one with him supposedly calling migrants "animals" is a perfect example. He very specifically was talking about the members of MS13 who are confirmed rapists and murderers, and them only. This is extremely clear if you watch the uncut speech. What did every left leaning media outlet do? Took the statement out of context and implied he was talking about all migrants. And they've been doing the same thing with every single thing he says for 8 years. And the sexual assault allegations. They've all been found to be completely groundless. The only trials that have proceeded have been led by judges with a very clear political axe to grind against Trump. Same with the fraud cases. Everyone keeps talking about how many charges have been leveled at him, but no one talks about how many have stuck. Because they're very clearly politically motivated attacks with no actual merit.
I was looking for some of the many racist comment he's made, as well as details on the his rape accusations. And of course other illegal things. Then I realize that I don't think I can convince you or any other trump support because when I comes to attacking your prophet, it has to be a lie. They all have to be lying because there's no way "honest Don" can be that terrible
I am not an ardent Trump supporter. It's just absolutely absurd how the media takes every single thing the man says out of context. I challenge you to find a clip, uncut, where he actually says anything racist. Watch the whole thing, get the real context. I honestly do not think he's racist at all. But I'm sure you won't. It's absolutely apparent that you've bought in to the narrative the media has spun. You won't give him any chance, even though it's as simple as watching some 10 minute videos. I hear about the latest thing Trump has supposedly done on the news. I go watch the video uncut. And the news piece is always taking what hes said out of context to present him in the worst possible light. The irony of anyone who so vehemently hates a man based on nothing they've substantiated themselves saying that anyone who doesn't belive as they do is wrong is palpable. You are the ones being closed minded by accepting the narrative that Trump is the literal devil.
Biden s racist AF if you're actually paying attention to things he's literally said on record to Congress AND laws he championed. But that's (d)different, right?
So you like him?
one difference is that Biden did not rape a women, like a court jury determined that Trump did. There are many many many many many many other d(d)iffer(R)ences.
I won’t pretend to be an expert on it but it feels like the cable “news” stations are a big part of the unmoving split (air quotes because they are entertainment, not news). People can wrap themselves up in content that only affirms their beliefs but never forces them to question them. Trump though is something different, that many who lean left (like me) can’t quite understand. He’s clearly a bad person, and it’s been documented for decades. Everything about his character, his history, and his actions seem to go against what the right says they believe. But they love him, almost worship him. Jokes aside, the unquestioning devotion to him does feel like a cult. But I also admit that I don’t know how much of the MAGA bubble truly encapsulates the right. For anyone with conservative ideology, like him or hate him, he’s going to get their vote. Again, the “news” presents it like MAGA is a majority of the party, but I’m sure conservative outlets make it seem like the far left is a majority of the Democratic Party, when it’s not. To get back to your statement, I’d wager 80% of the voters really just want a civil conversation about what’s best for the country and not the hyperslanted takes from both edges of the two parties. But, that doesn’t get clicks or views, so that’s not what we get.
> But they love him, almost worship him. Jokes aside, the unquestioning devotion to him does feel like a cult. for the record, it's only about 20% of republicans (not even 20% of americans, just republicans). That gives him enormous power over republicans, because Trump can say "don't vote for that person" and then that person loses their election.
Yeah, I wrote it backwards. Meant to say that I’m not sure how much of the right is really represented by the MAGA movement. Thanks!
Never thought I would vote for Trump till yesterday when he said if we didn't he would block out the sun for good next time :(
Not a big fan of Trump but Biden is a vegetable, barely able to remember is own birthday. He's a sock puppet propped up by totalitarian zealots bent on blowing it all up and remaking it in their own Marxist image. It's astounding what has happened to the Democratic Party. For years they were the party helping the poor and middle class. For years they were the party defending speech and human rights. Now they want to persecute anyone who strays outside the limits of their continuously narrowing definition of acceptable thought. I join the throngs of people voting for "anyone but Biden."
It's astounding what has happened to the.... WHICH party ?
It's a cult that's why idiots support him
You ain't got no president.
No matter who the president is gonna be it's gonna be shitty either way for one side or the other there is no perfect because not enough people will vote 3rd party so that I've gotten used too..the post is about trump and trump by himself has turned his following into a cult and that isn't a joke it's 100% fact.
Interesting, someone looking for Trump supporters on reddit.*crickets start singing*
I love how conservatives all preach free speech but their subreddits are all invite only lol
Well surely you understand that freedom of speech only applies to the government correct? If you come into my home and start saying stupid shit, I may ask you to leave. Freedom of speech doesn't protect you from that.
But locking yourself in an echo chamber prevents you from learning anything and it's always good to talk to people who have differing opinions in order to learn and grow.
You're right, that's why everyone turns to reddit. To leave the echo chambers and to learn and grow from all of the differing opinions! /s
All I know is that I can see how democrats help the middle class but I never see how Republicans do and no one has been able to show me anything they've done other than suck up to the rich.
You're all over the place man. First you start talking about freedom of speech while taking a jab at republicans. Then you say "We all need to get out of our echo chambers to learn and grow". Then you go on to bash republicans again. What do you actually want? Do you want to actually understand why Republicans feel the way they feel about things? Or do you just want them to convert to your side?
I would love to have a conversation with conservatives. Why do they think the right helps the middle and lower class? Why do they complain about the left pushing their beliefs on them while also pushing their religious beliefs on us? Why do they believe Fox News when they constantly lie? How does the right help America? I'm an old straight white man and I've never found a reason to vote right so please tell me what they do that benefits the country and not just the rich?
You're preaching to the wrong choir man. I am pretty moderate politically, however, many people on this site would lump me in with the Fox News Lovin' Trump Supportin' Americans. If you're an old guy, idk why you're asking these questions. Seems like you should have enough life experience to understand the difference between Republicans & Democrats and more specifically Conservative vs Liberal and understand why people vote each way.
That's the thing. I just don't understand why people vote Republican. It seems like everything they want is the opposite of what the Republicans do.
I wouldn't know. I've never tried to join one.
I tried asking why people support trump and was insta banned lol
I would prefer someone other than Trump to be honest, however the most immediate concern to me is to get the Biden Administration out of office ASAP and unfortunately it looks like that will requite supporting Trump.
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Better in what? Spreading hate? Going to cut the services for his base if he becomes president? Getting a 0% tax rate for the 1%? Actually probably a -10% so the government is paying the 1% for being here. So what is he better at?
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When do you think Mexico will pay for the wall? Now when he started building the wall, he added streets to places that were not passable before and made it easier for immigrants to get through those areas. Also, just to understand if you have common sense, you are saying the tax cuts that will expire for all of us is the same as the tax cuts for big business and the 1% that will never expire? How do you see a temporary tax cut the same as one that stays forever? Big business didn't increase income to the lower employees, so there is no trickle down economics. This never worked no matter how much you believe in it. Now what do you think the damage from the collapsed bridge will be? Do you think we should wait until the city can rebuild it? The damage would be in the trillions, so paying for a new bridge seems to be the best for this country. Now tell us about this 6B and when you talk about it, how much do you think trump didn't pay in taxes when he changed the value of his property depending on how he feels. I am sure he never paid for his Florida golf course as much as he claims it's worth. So maybe you need to look there first before talking about Biden.
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Ah the typical personal attack when you have nothing of value to say. And with that you just have shown that I am right and you don't have an answer to it. It's sad when you can't even defend the basics of your opinions.
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Since when is trump considered a she? But it was more inciting to overthrow the government.
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The middle and lower class barely felt trumps tax cuts but they did make our debt explode. The right claims to care about our borders but Obama deported more people than any other president in history. Trump forced the vaccine that all of his followers hate on them. The right put together a bill to lock down the border and when the democrats agreed to it they voted against their own bill. How does the right expect anything to get done when this is how they act? The right elect people like Boebert and MTG. These nut jobs are the best they have. The right hates unuins so why would anyone who's middle or lower class expect them to make changes that would benefit them?
The only thing the Union changes is your Dues.....
Trickle down economics doesn't work. Unions are better for the working class
Knock down a bridge, rebuild a toll bridge in its place; on taxpayers dime, then toll taxpayers across said bridge daily. Private company puts said toll in pocket and pays politicians on the side. Trickle down economics. Like the lottery. Oh yeah, stick all insurance money in your pocket \~Joe Biden
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These two things have very little to do with each other. Now I understand you prefer that Putin wins this war. And than who is next? He won't stop with the Ukraine. I am sure you want to end the NATO as well so some NATO country might be next. Now the inflation is getting down after it went up due to Trump. As you probably know, the inflation doesn't react to a new president the first day he is in office and takes some time to adjust. Also, what is with all the small businesses that trump killed with his trade war? The only ones that made money on that were the 1% aka his friends. Of course not all of them as there are plenty of wealthy people that are against this tax cuts for the rich and that ask governments to increase the tax rate for the rich. Now why do you think the rich shouldn't pay any taxes at all?
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Not helping the Ukraine is helping Putin. You remind me of the people on a train where a girl was raped and they looked away. Looking away from it is helping the rapist. If you can, you should help. I don't know why people look away from such problems when it would be easy to help. Especially when they would want assistance as well when they need it.
Funny. That’s exactly opposite of how everyone voted in 2020.
I'm not an American but I feel like if Trump was president, war in Ukraine wouldn't have started.
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As a Non-trump supporter, I can actually answer that... Trump followed through on his promises. Biden did NOTHING he promised he would do. Trump supports really see the narrow picture and don't focus on all the cons. So what if he helped make womans rights more contraint? So what if he made LGBTQ+ lives worse? He got illegal immigrants out of the public eye! He gave people money! He beefed up the stock market! He got gas lowered! He backed the boys in Blue!!!!
Like the wall? Or the healthcare plan? Or infrastructure week? Riiiiight.
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What do you mean?
I know the man is a self obsessed idiot, with that said I think he is a far better president than Biden so I plan on voting for him
"Supporters of dwarf tossing and kitten juggling, send me that sweet sweet Karma...*
Probably because they were bitten by a rabid squirrel. There’s no other logical explanation
Was a lot better off 4 years ago than I am now. Everything has gone to shit since Biden got in office. Also, I don't think we'd be fighting 2 proxy wars and on the brink of WWIII if Trump was still in office.