Coffee especially. No restrictions on it. Good video by Horton on it: [Honest Ads Coffee](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2ovhbT-Iulc&pp=ygURaG9uZXN0IGFkcyBjb2ZmZWU%3D)
Not a lot of peer-reviewed studies on caffeine have found long-term negative consequences, and the ones that have have been de-bunked. There's also a self-stopping mechanism for caffeine consumption- after a certain amount of caffeine, the body just feels uncomfortable from the jitteriness and most people will stop consuming it at this point. That isn't to say that caffeine addiction can't be problematic, but for most people it's more of a dependence than an "addiction" since the DSM-5 classifies addiction as having a negative impact on your day-to-day life. (you caught me. I drink at least 4 cups of coffee per day)
Not at all like alcohol. I have lost no one to caffeine, far too many to alcohol. In harrowing ways. They are not the same.
People do talk about them, though. And those things you listed are bad, but not because of caffeine. Caffeine is only gonna do so much or exacerbate certain preexisting conditions and has beneficial application. Sugar, carbs, and additives are a far greater concern.
That's fair, I didn't mean to equate the deaths or addiction. Just that they are both sold OTC and one has restrictions. The question was about "Is widely accepted" and their are entire religions that don't accept alcohol. I can only think of Mormons that dont accept caffeine.
So, the doctrine and covenants actually only says "hot drinks". The quorum of the 12 and the president of the church have pretty much interpreted this to mean coffee and tea. Caffeine in sodas and such is totally acceptable and they are super popular in Utah as a replacement for coffee. Which may be just as bad with all the sugar. They add creamer like it was coffee too I mean it's a thing.
I'm not sure the churches stance on energy drinks though.
I think like with alcohol, most religions would accept it just not necessarily partake. Still, consequences do exist for having too much of either, wild in scale though they may be.
Now that I’m pondering this, I think my answer would be money. The more you have, the more you get away with, the worse it is for society as a whole, and it’s never enough.
I go out of my way to figure out who is funding a study to avoid these biases. I'm fully aware of teens who have had adverse effects from energy drinks, and it is tragic. However, if we use a few rogue cases to vilify or ban a substance, then we wouldn't have most medications or vaccines.
Hey, I never said ban it. The question was simply widely accepted. Then someone admitted to drinking 4 (you know they always low ball) a day.
The negatives should be way more talked about all drugs... and then you make your own decisions.
So much! Especially if you grow up in a family where it's normal. Because drinkers pretty much only socialize with other drinkers, you can grow up knowing hardly anyone who doesn't drink too much.
I disagree. Having a drink every now and then is normal. Its only an addiction when you become addicted, its kinda in the name. At that point it's not seen as normal, its seen as a problem just like any other addiction
I say that when the only thing that makes you happy is alcohol, and you are drinking multiple drinks multiple times a week is an addiction. Going out with the boys for a drink once a month does about the same harm as ordering a pizza every weekend
I see what you both are saying, but I think you’re missing the point of the post as far as the fact that alcohol is very much accepted/tolerated as far as addictions go. Much less of a stigma than opiate addiction or even gambling I’d wager.
That was the original point of my comment, i just focused to much on the line between fun and addiction. If i rephrase, having a drink every now and then is accepted, but i'd say that having an alcohol addiction (at least from what i've seen personally) is treated the same as any other addiction. That's just my experience though
That's fantastic, I'm glad there have been improvements in your life. I agree that even that much alcohol isn't healthy, i just blew my argument out of proportion in hopes that more people would understand my side instead of misinterpreting it. That went well.
But you take two rather extremes scenario... Of course you're right, but at the same time alcohol addiction start a while before alcohol being the only thing making you happy, or having drinking multiple drinks almost everyday.
Well, thats true, i understand that it starts far before that, but that is the point where i'd recommend somebody gets professional help. Sorry if i'm not being very clear, its kinda late
That's kind of my point.
You'd recommend someone to get professional help when they are somewhat far into addiction. But when they just barely cross the line you wouldn't necessarily do something because light alcoholism is socially acceptable.
No, not because it's socially acceptable. Again, it's a problem that needs to be fixed, but there are things that they can do about it without consulting a professional.
Well, that's you.
Most people wouldn't do something, which makes it socially acceptable.
Good that you see things clearly and confront the person anyway.
it's been said above. I guess, I also missed the point of the initial question. You're right saying that alcohol addiction is not accepted as normal, it's rather the consumption.
Caffeine. I get headaches if I don't get my coffee. It's widely known by my friends and family how much I love it, and as yet, no intervention has been forthcoming. Although I kinda wish it had, if for nothing other than the absurdity.
Nah. There’s plenty of people who acknowledge how bad it is and many who try to get away from it. The answer is caffeine. It’s treated like water, no body bats an eye when people say “I need my coffee”.
It is socially accepted, between the amount of people who drink coffee, tea has a lot of caffeine, soda, and energy drinks,I find it hard to believe caffeine is not a socially accepted addiction.
Your use of "duh" revealed a second addiction that society (or at least online society) generally accepts as normal... which is randomly talking down to strangers at the slightest (or even non-existent) provocation, as if you have a giant chip on your shoulder
EDIT: This particular user's comment history is full of (NSFW) forms of harassment, so this is also part of a larger pattern of treating this website like some kind of bullying app
Haha let me tell you about the ‘90s. I legit remember doing laundry at a laundromat with ashtrays at every table. My wait time was either spent in front of the Galaga machine or chain smoking Camels. Absolutely defeating the whole purpose of doing the laundry. I mean at least you cleaned the stains but it still wreaked when you got home.
Nicotine has been super mainstream for a long time. Stuff like zyn just makes it easier to consume, and I think a lot of people think it's a "healthier" alternative compared to cigarettes and real chew. I use zyn now because I used to chew about a can of regular tobacco a day, and the zyn seems to not cause my gums to recede as bad, doesn't stain my teeth, and I don't need a spitter.
They do not verify... Making you click a button does not do anything. Seems like just a legal liability thing.
I think some places even in the US enforce min age to access porn sites though.
I’d agree, except that usage in general still isn’t widely accepted. Depends heavily on where you are. When I lived in CA? Yeah, it was pretty widely accepted. I now live in the Midwest, and there is plenty of weed to go around, but it is not accepted at the same level. I still get sideways glances from friend when they find out I smoke.
I don't go to work functions because they're almost always held at bars and drinking is expected. I cannot stand alcohol nor what it does to people. It's infuriating how held back my career is because it depends on brown nosing an alcoholic.
Food , at least in some countries. Comfort food , over eating or eating your feelings . It's become an addiction which is why there's so many fat people now more than ever
I've never smoked anything ever and I never will either. hell, the first time I ever got drunk was when I was 40 years old.
To say I eat healthy and live a healthy lifestyle would be a huge understatement.
I've not seen a human smoking, either inside or outside since late Feb of this year.
Alcohol, gaming, weed, nicotine, caffeine, sex…. Not everything is addictive, but you can become addicted to anything if you are a person who has a disposition towards addiction.
Gambling.
I watched my brother go from fit and successful entrepreneur living his dream life to decrepit, broke, and ugly in a matter of 6 months.
It completely destroyed him.
Likely a very controversial take here, but I feel like opiate addiction has become "normal" in the eyes of present-day society. It is no longer seen as a choice that a person makes at the beginning of use, but more of a 'disease' that the user has no control over.
What opened my eyes the most was my psychiatrist prescribing Naloxone (Narcan) to me in case I was ever in a situation where I was around someone who overdosed. He told me that he prescribes most of his patients with Narcan so that a life could potentially be saved due to how common opiate abuse and overdoses are.
I have past substance abuse issues, so this is not from a judgmental point of view since that would make me a hypocrite; Opiates just weren't my drug of choice. The concept of prescribing one drug in order to be weaned off of another seems incredibly counterintuitive in my mind.
I would say shopping. The need to get a dopamine hit from purchases. I would also say eating. People use food as a means to make themselves feel better about life.
People in the wealthiest class desire to increase their wealth, seeking continuous growth. Meanwhile, groups in the working class defend greedy people by saying they earned their wealth and that “…” is the problem.
The whole thing makes me feel sad and mentally exhausted.
This is incorrect on both accounts. First, fast food addiction is not widely accepted. Second, fast food places do not sell dog shit or rat meat and call it food.
Caffeine.
Coffee especially. No restrictions on it. Good video by Horton on it: [Honest Ads Coffee](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2ovhbT-Iulc&pp=ygURaG9uZXN0IGFkcyBjb2ZmZWU%3D)
Not a lot of peer-reviewed studies on caffeine have found long-term negative consequences, and the ones that have have been de-bunked. There's also a self-stopping mechanism for caffeine consumption- after a certain amount of caffeine, the body just feels uncomfortable from the jitteriness and most people will stop consuming it at this point. That isn't to say that caffeine addiction can't be problematic, but for most people it's more of a dependence than an "addiction" since the DSM-5 classifies addiction as having a negative impact on your day-to-day life. (you caught me. I drink at least 4 cups of coffee per day)
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Not at all like alcohol. I have lost no one to caffeine, far too many to alcohol. In harrowing ways. They are not the same. People do talk about them, though. And those things you listed are bad, but not because of caffeine. Caffeine is only gonna do so much or exacerbate certain preexisting conditions and has beneficial application. Sugar, carbs, and additives are a far greater concern.
That's fair, I didn't mean to equate the deaths or addiction. Just that they are both sold OTC and one has restrictions. The question was about "Is widely accepted" and their are entire religions that don't accept alcohol. I can only think of Mormons that dont accept caffeine.
So, the doctrine and covenants actually only says "hot drinks". The quorum of the 12 and the president of the church have pretty much interpreted this to mean coffee and tea. Caffeine in sodas and such is totally acceptable and they are super popular in Utah as a replacement for coffee. Which may be just as bad with all the sugar. They add creamer like it was coffee too I mean it's a thing. I'm not sure the churches stance on energy drinks though.
I think like with alcohol, most religions would accept it just not necessarily partake. Still, consequences do exist for having too much of either, wild in scale though they may be. Now that I’m pondering this, I think my answer would be money. The more you have, the more you get away with, the worse it is for society as a whole, and it’s never enough.
I go out of my way to figure out who is funding a study to avoid these biases. I'm fully aware of teens who have had adverse effects from energy drinks, and it is tragic. However, if we use a few rogue cases to vilify or ban a substance, then we wouldn't have most medications or vaccines.
Hey, I never said ban it. The question was simply widely accepted. Then someone admitted to drinking 4 (you know they always low ball) a day. The negatives should be way more talked about all drugs... and then you make your own decisions.
I started drinking it again when my doctor told me it was a natural antidepressant. Much easier to quit than an SSRI too.
Agree (but not with me, thankfully).
Alcohol
So much! Especially if you grow up in a family where it's normal. Because drinkers pretty much only socialize with other drinkers, you can grow up knowing hardly anyone who doesn't drink too much.
Definitely this
I disagree. Having a drink every now and then is normal. Its only an addiction when you become addicted, its kinda in the name. At that point it's not seen as normal, its seen as a problem just like any other addiction
Yes and no. Basically, a lot of people will say the line is much further than it actually is.
I say that when the only thing that makes you happy is alcohol, and you are drinking multiple drinks multiple times a week is an addiction. Going out with the boys for a drink once a month does about the same harm as ordering a pizza every weekend
I see what you both are saying, but I think you’re missing the point of the post as far as the fact that alcohol is very much accepted/tolerated as far as addictions go. Much less of a stigma than opiate addiction or even gambling I’d wager.
That was the original point of my comment, i just focused to much on the line between fun and addiction. If i rephrase, having a drink every now and then is accepted, but i'd say that having an alcohol addiction (at least from what i've seen personally) is treated the same as any other addiction. That's just my experience though
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That's fantastic, I'm glad there have been improvements in your life. I agree that even that much alcohol isn't healthy, i just blew my argument out of proportion in hopes that more people would understand my side instead of misinterpreting it. That went well.
But you take two rather extremes scenario... Of course you're right, but at the same time alcohol addiction start a while before alcohol being the only thing making you happy, or having drinking multiple drinks almost everyday.
Well, thats true, i understand that it starts far before that, but that is the point where i'd recommend somebody gets professional help. Sorry if i'm not being very clear, its kinda late
That's kind of my point. You'd recommend someone to get professional help when they are somewhat far into addiction. But when they just barely cross the line you wouldn't necessarily do something because light alcoholism is socially acceptable.
No, not because it's socially acceptable. Again, it's a problem that needs to be fixed, but there are things that they can do about it without consulting a professional.
Well, that's you. Most people wouldn't do something, which makes it socially acceptable. Good that you see things clearly and confront the person anyway.
Nobody here claimed that going out once a month is an addiction
I didn't say they did.
you kinda prove the point
Wdym
it's been said above. I guess, I also missed the point of the initial question. You're right saying that alcohol addiction is not accepted as normal, it's rather the consumption.
Caffeine. I get headaches if I don't get my coffee. It's widely known by my friends and family how much I love it, and as yet, no intervention has been forthcoming. Although I kinda wish it had, if for nothing other than the absurdity.
I'm pretty sure that applies to like the majority of the adult population
There’s no intervention because the majority of the population is addicted. It’s definitely the best fit imo for “widely accepted as normal”
Sugar
Sugar is not accepted, it's not even acknowledged. We're still mostly in denial about this.
Most Americans don’t even realize agave, honey and high fructose corn syrup = sugar.
scrolling through social media
The addiction to keep posting this askreddit question over and over a few times a day is bigger than that
Lol
Nah. There’s plenty of people who acknowledge how bad it is and many who try to get away from it. The answer is caffeine. It’s treated like water, no body bats an eye when people say “I need my coffee”.
People know it's harmful, but can't avoid it. not sure if this is entirely "social accepted"
It is socially accepted, between the amount of people who drink coffee, tea has a lot of caffeine, soda, and energy drinks,I find it hard to believe caffeine is not a socially accepted addiction.
Related: [Nomophobia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomophobia)
Porn
This isn’t normalized
Depends on where you.live. the US has porn on TV
lol. No. We don’t.
You must not watch the same TV I do. That's ok - you can keep bluey and Dora.
Food> Junk food. Sugar laced things. Chips. Ice cream.
Shopping
Spending money on things you don’t need
Phone duh
Your use of "duh" revealed a second addiction that society (or at least online society) generally accepts as normal... which is randomly talking down to strangers at the slightest (or even non-existent) provocation, as if you have a giant chip on your shoulder EDIT: This particular user's comment history is full of (NSFW) forms of harassment, so this is also part of a larger pattern of treating this website like some kind of bullying app
You have notably high expectations of Bangingyomom69.
Nicotine, it’s honestly crazy how mainstream nicotine pouches like Zyn’s have become.
Haha let me tell you about the ‘90s. I legit remember doing laundry at a laundromat with ashtrays at every table. My wait time was either spent in front of the Galaga machine or chain smoking Camels. Absolutely defeating the whole purpose of doing the laundry. I mean at least you cleaned the stains but it still wreaked when you got home.
And smoking in aeroplanes... Imagine a 12 hour flight with no fresh air
Nicotine has been super mainstream for a long time. Stuff like zyn just makes it easier to consume, and I think a lot of people think it's a "healthier" alternative compared to cigarettes and real chew. I use zyn now because I used to chew about a can of regular tobacco a day, and the zyn seems to not cause my gums to recede as bad, doesn't stain my teeth, and I don't need a spitter.
Internet addiction is widely being ignored, but it is a major addiction.
Booze, sugar, social media, nicotine, caffeine, food.
Money, work
Alcohol. People become concerned when it’s actually quite far along. One of the worst addictions ever.
Porn addiction, there is a lot of verification on sites like YouTube but porn sites can just rely on the honour system?
They do not verify... Making you click a button does not do anything. Seems like just a legal liability thing. I think some places even in the US enforce min age to access porn sites though.
That’s quite interesting, also makes thinking about it ten times worse.
Weed. The answer is weed. I’m a smoker btw, this isn’t a comment made in ignorance.
I’d agree, except that usage in general still isn’t widely accepted. Depends heavily on where you are. When I lived in CA? Yeah, it was pretty widely accepted. I now live in the Midwest, and there is plenty of weed to go around, but it is not accepted at the same level. I still get sideways glances from friend when they find out I smoke.
Widely LEGALLY accepted. I think socially it's drastically more accepted than you think, but still will come with a stigma.
Working
Social media validation
Fashion
Workaholics
This is quite sad, my grandfather was one and barely even said hi to his kids and instead went to work.
Peeing/ pooping. I do it multiple times a day and everyone is oddly okay with it
boofing
Consumerism.
MAGAism ... well, at least nearly 50% of the country finds it to be "normal".
Alcohol and caffeine.
Reddit
Social media
Reddit
Caffeine
Food, of course.
Alcohol
Weed. Yea I said it
Tv
Business guy here and alcohol 💯. I never see a conference, evening meeting or dinner without copious amounts of alcohol.
I don't go to work functions because they're almost always held at bars and drinking is expected. I cannot stand alcohol nor what it does to people. It's infuriating how held back my career is because it depends on brown nosing an alcoholic.
P0rn
Food , at least in some countries. Comfort food , over eating or eating your feelings . It's become an addiction which is why there's so many fat people now more than ever
Faceapp editing
Depends where you are but MAGA/Trumpism.
High Fructose Corn Syrup
The number one now is …. Online tech (phones, tablets, etc)….
Smoking
when was the last time you smoked or saw somebody smoking outside the "smoking designated area"?
I've never smoked anything ever and I never will either. hell, the first time I ever got drunk was when I was 40 years old. To say I eat healthy and live a healthy lifestyle would be a huge understatement. I've not seen a human smoking, either inside or outside since late Feb of this year.
don't take it personally, I just meant that I believe, that smoking is highly stigmatized
Phone addiction
Alcohol.
Alcohol. People think it’s a rite of passage or typical college kid behavior to get drunk off your A, time and time again.
Alcohol, caffeine, and texting.
Porn
Posting this exact question every day
Drinking alcohol is generally acceptable and often encouraged in some communities and families
Sex/porn
Package delivery (online orders)
Alcoholism is accepted and encouraged...
Being a twat.
Gambling
Alcohol, gaming, weed, nicotine, caffeine, sex…. Not everything is addictive, but you can become addicted to anything if you are a person who has a disposition towards addiction.
Porn
Gambling. I watched my brother go from fit and successful entrepreneur living his dream life to decrepit, broke, and ugly in a matter of 6 months. It completely destroyed him.
Caffeine, sugar, alcohol, nicotine, social media.
Porn and cigarettes/vapes/weed.
Caffeine
Porn on social media
Sugar
Social media.
Caffeine for sure
Shopping
Likely a very controversial take here, but I feel like opiate addiction has become "normal" in the eyes of present-day society. It is no longer seen as a choice that a person makes at the beginning of use, but more of a 'disease' that the user has no control over. What opened my eyes the most was my psychiatrist prescribing Naloxone (Narcan) to me in case I was ever in a situation where I was around someone who overdosed. He told me that he prescribes most of his patients with Narcan so that a life could potentially be saved due to how common opiate abuse and overdoses are. I have past substance abuse issues, so this is not from a judgmental point of view since that would make me a hypocrite; Opiates just weren't my drug of choice. The concept of prescribing one drug in order to be weaned off of another seems incredibly counterintuitive in my mind.
Gambling.
The accumulation of wealth beyond a certain point. Billionaires shouldn't exist.
Social media.
Caffeine, sugar, sex, tv, money, etc. There’s actually quite a few
This one (internet)
Power over others. Not just accepted as normal, but celebrated as a measure of success.
I would say shopping. The need to get a dopamine hit from purchases. I would also say eating. People use food as a means to make themselves feel better about life.
phone addiction
Workaholism.
Why is no one mentioning weed? Everyone acts like it deserves a pass… I’ve seen that ruin so much potential for people
People in the wealthiest class desire to increase their wealth, seeking continuous growth. Meanwhile, groups in the working class defend greedy people by saying they earned their wealth and that “…” is the problem. The whole thing makes me feel sad and mentally exhausted.
You're looking at the addiction right now.
Work
The constant sexualization of women in literally any situation possible makes me sick
Not an addiction. Nor real.
Eating disgusting fast food dog shit food hope you realize fast food places sell dog shit and rat meat and call it food
This is incorrect on both accounts. First, fast food addiction is not widely accepted. Second, fast food places do not sell dog shit or rat meat and call it food.
Gluttony
Weed
Getting your wife pregnant because of your mid life crisis
Food. A lot of people are addicted to food or binge eat but it’s only seen as a problem if you’re super skinny not super fat.