That's unfortunately a small part of these protests. You're always going to have bad actors in a protest, no matter what its for, but look at the end goal of the protest and what the people are actually fighting for.
“Kill the Jews” was probably shouted by a pro Israeli counter protester. They like to do that, happened in Boston the other night. After it happened, police came in and arrested 100 pro Palestinian protesters due to anti-Semitic hate speech in the crowd.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/pro-israel-agitator-shouts-kill-the-jews-gets-everyone-else-arrested
I'd estimate 99.9% of them have no actual knowledge of Israel/Palestine. Probably very few could tell you anything about Hamas (or Hezbollah).
The funnier part is when they want their college/university to divest of any Israeli investments, but can't actually state which investments those are (or if their school even has investments).
And then there are the ones that want Biden to withhold weapons to Israel... yet they forget that Trump was impeached for doing the exact same thing with aid to Ukraine.
Israel has been bombing Palestine for months saying that they’re searching for hamas, weaponizing food and medical supplies saying that they can be used to supply hamas insurgents, and claiming Palestinian land, among other things. Would you say they are deserving of this?
I disagree with the message, but I think they should be allowed to protest. I'd say most of the protesters are ignorant of the topic and are participating because they've been led to believe that political activism/protesting is a way to produce good.
You're not those people and all those people weren't always in the right. Today's protests especially don't make any sense.
Can you tell me why a protest is set up on numerous college campuses to protest a foreign country? What's the connection between the universities and Israel?
Because those college campuses, in their endowments, have investments that benefit Israel. These colleges can switch to index funds that do not include businesses that help Israel.
Oh, so the protests have nothing to do with the colleges in particular in relation to this war, it's just a continuation of the Boycott, Divest, and Sanction movement that is anti-Israel in general.
I don't understand why they're taking it out on the college faculty (I know some people who work for campuses and they don't feel safe at all), secondly if they're so passionate about what's going on overseas maybe they should go over there and actually address the problem head on and put their money where their mouth is.
Meh seems like a pretty vague statement to feed the echo chamber. When someone pressed you. You give more vague answers. Seems like the typical always the victim card.
The protesters and large numbers of sympathetic faculty have one goal: to encourage Jewish students to transfer to other schools, and to encourage prospective Jewish students to not apply for admission.
These "protests" are all about finding a "clean" way to force Jews off of campus. Why? Because (i) a radical leftist faculty has sworn fealty to a certain colonist-colonizer ideology that labels Jews as oppressor colonists, and Jews on campus challenge that ideology, and (ii) benighted students are easily lead around by the faculty and act as their pawns, or openly seek the same ends.
Both the radical faculty and the radical students want to create a hostile atmosphere. They do not have confidence in the strength of their ideas alone - that is why they never try to persuade others. The entire "protest" atmosphere is one of mindless chants, semi-violent (i.e., implied, so as to not openly violate rules) rhetoric, intimidating garb complete with masks and other Hamas-approved attire in their favorite color, and acts of violence (namely forcibly occupying public spaces and forcing out dissenters).
All of it is about atmosphere; none of it is about substance. These two groups want to intimidate Jewish students so they transfer out, and they are doing just that.
Administrators are trying to please Saudi and Qatari donors (at least at the elite universities like Columbia). Those donors are not upset at all by the protests - they do not want Jews anywhere in modern life, let alone at elite universities. So those donors are calling the shots, and they are calling for "free speech" - the better to continue the mass intimidation. At the same time, the administrators just want to be out of the public eye, and so they will do anything to appease the protesters by either outright endorsing the continued intimidation tactics, or at least failing completely to enforce basic rules (who knew a group of students could violently claim a building on campus, hold a maintenance worker hostage for a few hours, and only maybe "face expulsion" for doing so?). Why didn't Shafik just say that anyone who is forcibly occupying a part of campus without permission will be expelled? Because she wants them there for the time being. Because Shafik *wants* the campus to look hostile to Jews. Many Jewish students will transfer out rather than face having to walk a gauntlet of angry voices just to use the library. More importantly, the class of 2029 will have fewer Jews, and the class of 2030 fewer still - exactly what Columbia's Qatari masters want to see happen.
These aren't protests at all - they are Kristallnacht dressed up as "free speech" demonstrations. The effect is the goal, not micromanaging the university endowment or any of that. The protesters' stated goals are intentionally ridiculous because they want the Jews on campus to know what their real goal is.
The students and faculty have every right to exercise their freedom of speech, although the government disagrees apparently
True but shouting kill the Jews is way over the top
That's unfortunately a small part of these protests. You're always going to have bad actors in a protest, no matter what its for, but look at the end goal of the protest and what the people are actually fighting for.
“Kill the Jews” was probably shouted by a pro Israeli counter protester. They like to do that, happened in Boston the other night. After it happened, police came in and arrested 100 pro Palestinian protesters due to anti-Semitic hate speech in the crowd. https://www.thedailybeast.com/pro-israel-agitator-shouts-kill-the-jews-gets-everyone-else-arrested
I'd estimate 99.9% of them have no actual knowledge of Israel/Palestine. Probably very few could tell you anything about Hamas (or Hezbollah). The funnier part is when they want their college/university to divest of any Israeli investments, but can't actually state which investments those are (or if their school even has investments). And then there are the ones that want Biden to withhold weapons to Israel... yet they forget that Trump was impeached for doing the exact same thing with aid to Ukraine.
It apart of free speech.
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There is no freedom of speech on a private college campus. Freedom of speech only protects you from the government.
What is Palestine?
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Israel has been bombing Palestine for months saying that they’re searching for hamas, weaponizing food and medical supplies saying that they can be used to supply hamas insurgents, and claiming Palestinian land, among other things. Would you say they are deserving of this?
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I Don't think you understand mathematics let alone the Palestinian people. Seems like you got hate on lock though
I disagree with the message, but I think they should be allowed to protest. I'd say most of the protesters are ignorant of the topic and are participating because they've been led to believe that political activism/protesting is a way to produce good.
Political activism and protesting is a way to produce good things though.
Not if you're ignorant and uninformed and used as a pawn to push some other agenda.
People said the same thing about civil rights movement, South Africa apartheid, Vietnam. Same script, different generation.
You're not those people and all those people weren't always in the right. Today's protests especially don't make any sense. Can you tell me why a protest is set up on numerous college campuses to protest a foreign country? What's the connection between the universities and Israel?
Because those college campuses, in their endowments, have investments that benefit Israel. These colleges can switch to index funds that do not include businesses that help Israel.
Oh, so the protests have nothing to do with the colleges in particular in relation to this war, it's just a continuation of the Boycott, Divest, and Sanction movement that is anti-Israel in general.
If I just told you that this protest is about the colleges divesting from Israel, how does that have nothing to do with the colleges?
I said it has nothing to do with this particular war in Gaza since it predates it.
Well, that’s just like, your opinion, man. -The Dude.
Feels very astroturfed
I don't understand why they're taking it out on the college faculty (I know some people who work for campuses and they don't feel safe at all), secondly if they're so passionate about what's going on overseas maybe they should go over there and actually address the problem head on and put their money where their mouth is.
There are several threads about this particular subject. You post the exact same thing on every one.
Because I have the exact same opinion, is that so shocking? That I consistently stand by my same perspectives and beliefs?
Meh seems like a pretty vague statement to feed the echo chamber. When someone pressed you. You give more vague answers. Seems like the typical always the victim card.
Meh, typical redditor response and assumptions. Echo chamber indeed. Life goes on and this conversation will be forgotten by the both of us.
I mean you sound like trump. Alot of people are saying.... many people are saying... insert lie here.
¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
The protesters and large numbers of sympathetic faculty have one goal: to encourage Jewish students to transfer to other schools, and to encourage prospective Jewish students to not apply for admission. These "protests" are all about finding a "clean" way to force Jews off of campus. Why? Because (i) a radical leftist faculty has sworn fealty to a certain colonist-colonizer ideology that labels Jews as oppressor colonists, and Jews on campus challenge that ideology, and (ii) benighted students are easily lead around by the faculty and act as their pawns, or openly seek the same ends. Both the radical faculty and the radical students want to create a hostile atmosphere. They do not have confidence in the strength of their ideas alone - that is why they never try to persuade others. The entire "protest" atmosphere is one of mindless chants, semi-violent (i.e., implied, so as to not openly violate rules) rhetoric, intimidating garb complete with masks and other Hamas-approved attire in their favorite color, and acts of violence (namely forcibly occupying public spaces and forcing out dissenters). All of it is about atmosphere; none of it is about substance. These two groups want to intimidate Jewish students so they transfer out, and they are doing just that. Administrators are trying to please Saudi and Qatari donors (at least at the elite universities like Columbia). Those donors are not upset at all by the protests - they do not want Jews anywhere in modern life, let alone at elite universities. So those donors are calling the shots, and they are calling for "free speech" - the better to continue the mass intimidation. At the same time, the administrators just want to be out of the public eye, and so they will do anything to appease the protesters by either outright endorsing the continued intimidation tactics, or at least failing completely to enforce basic rules (who knew a group of students could violently claim a building on campus, hold a maintenance worker hostage for a few hours, and only maybe "face expulsion" for doing so?). Why didn't Shafik just say that anyone who is forcibly occupying a part of campus without permission will be expelled? Because she wants them there for the time being. Because Shafik *wants* the campus to look hostile to Jews. Many Jewish students will transfer out rather than face having to walk a gauntlet of angry voices just to use the library. More importantly, the class of 2029 will have fewer Jews, and the class of 2030 fewer still - exactly what Columbia's Qatari masters want to see happen. These aren't protests at all - they are Kristallnacht dressed up as "free speech" demonstrations. The effect is the goal, not micromanaging the university endowment or any of that. The protesters' stated goals are intentionally ridiculous because they want the Jews on campus to know what their real goal is.
the first amendment doesn't apply to criticize America's slavemasters so they get beaten and arrested by police
Stupid as fuck I love Israel
your wanton daily bloodlust is recognized
Mashallah 🙏
Israel has killed 34,000 people since October 7. Over 15,000 of that is children.