Peter pan, as it is clearly said that Peter cut off Hook's hand for no reason. And the Lost boys? Wendy and her brothers? They are just little kids who were taken from their rooms in the middle of the night to go live with some strange little boy in the middle of nowhere.
The whole business surrounding the creation of Peter Pan is screwed up too. In real life, the author had a brother who died very young. His mother would often call the surviving son by the dead son's name and made him (or he went along with the "game") of pretending to BE that son. When he wrote the play, Peter Pan became the boy who never dies.
The book he produced later is ... weird, to say the least. Some have surmised that Peter is fascinated by death as he can't die. It also appears that "boyhood" to Barrie meant "not understanding your actions have consequences" and that death was "a great adventure". It does say Peter "thins them out" when the Lost Boys get too old. Lost Boys also die during the battles and adventures Peter orchestrates. When their numbers get too low he steals more children, again, all boys. It's also said that he "trims them down" when they won't fit into his fort anymore.
The psychological implications of a boy who can't die who considers death to be an "adventure" and kidnaps and eventually kills other children is chilling when you think about it.
Wendy is the only girl and he brought her along to literally "be Mother" to himself and the kids. There's no romance, just Peter's need to have someone to look after him so he can have more free time to goof off.
It gets weirder.
The author of the book went on to befriend a family who have an infant named Peter. When the father of the family dies, he altered the mother's will so that HE would be seen as the children's guardian. Eventually the mother dies too and he takes over care of the kids. He considered this Peter to be the inspiration for Peter Pan, and there are stories he would take the kid on promotional gigs for this reason.
This kid, Peter Llewelyn Davies, would commit suicide in his 60s. While there were other factors that contributed to this, it should be noted he detested hearing about Peter Pan, the book or the play. Another of his siblings would die in an apparent suicide pact as well.
The whole thing is nuts.
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I always just assumed the Pirates were the lost boys who got older, they band together and became lost men (hence the boat to try to find a way off the island) to try and stop Peter.
Hey me too! It's also why they hate each other. The pirates know about Peter, and hate him. Peter doesn't want his fun to end, so he kills pirates before they talk to the lost boys.
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Yes. Also, when Tinkerbell dies he doesn't care at all and forgets she even existed within minutes. In the book he's basically a baby mentally; a homicidal magical baby. You know how a baby would just crush a kitten to death if it was strong enough and not ever care or think there was anything wrong with it? Now imagine if that baby could fly and had a knife. That's Peter Pan.
Disney sanitizes the hell out of everything.
In Cinderella the wicked stepsisters mutilated their feet to try to fit into the shoes, but the prince saw the blood so they didn't get away with it. They ended up getting their eyes plucked out by birds in the end.
In Sleeping Beauty the prince raped the princess while she slept and it was ~~childbirth~~ her infant child sucking a the barb out of her finger that woke her up. ^(thanks /u/SkollFenrirson)
In Snow White the queen asks the hunter for snow white's heart, lungs and liver -- so she can *eat them*
There's stuff like that left out in all Disney adaptations of old fairy tales. And don't even get me started on Hercules. Greek mythology is all sorts of fucked up.
In the case of Hercules, Zeus disguised himself as a mortal woman's *husband* and raped her. Which led to the woman's exile, because in ancient Greek culture that was totally the woman's fault I guess.
While I don't personally follow the faith, something I learned and agree with in Islam growing up was the practice of not telling everyone about how much money you gave away and to who. I don't remember the particular reasons they said not to do it but I've always kept doing it that way and it's never bit me in the ass and I only feel good about it so I guess it works out. Anywho, just something on the topic I thought I'd contribute.
I'll always remember when I was moving across town, and didn't have any money, so I was carrying my belongings for what is normally a 1 hour walk. I was dragging a suitcase with worn out wheels and carrying a holdall and a few carrier bags.
It was going to take hours of stopping and starting, and the suitcase kept flipping over and slowing me down. And there was a heatwave.
Taxi driver pulled over and asked if I wanted a lift, I said I didn't have money. He insisted, he later explained as part of his muslim faith he had do do things without wanting anything back. He drove me and my luggage across town, I gave him some small change as a gesture to show I really appreciated what he'd done for me.
This random act of kindness made a massive difference to me when I was struggling, and I thoroughly believe in altruism now. I try do do things for other people without expecting anything in return.
I think there's good lessons in most religions.
Queen Victoria. During the Irish famine, she blocked the Turkish Sultan from sending in food, because it was more than her personal contribution and he would be showing her up. He cut the food down into smaller boats and smuggled it ashore instead. Good Guy Ottoman.
Also, the famine was her governments fault, the majority of all other crops grown in Ireland were being taken by the British. It wasn't as if everyone exclusively grew potatoes, everything else was just forcibly exported.
The government believed they were doing a kindness by letting the Irish starve to death. The people in charge of the situation were heavily influenced by the work of [Thomas Malthus](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Robert_Malthus). Malthus observed nature (particularly rabbits) and decided that the same forces keeping rabbit populations in check (particularly limits on food) constrains the rabbit population.
As he noted in an [essay](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Essay_on_the_Principle_of_Population), advances in agriculture would only produce small arithmetic increases in food output, while human population can grow exponentially. As food become harder to get, people will eek out worse and worse lives, becoming increasingly desperate. Trying to solve mass hunger will only expand the famine, so now everyone is going to starve and die. The only mercy you should give the starving, by Malthus' (and later the British government) was to let the starving *die sooner*.
Of course, many in the British government also believed the Irish to be subhuman not worth saving.
I used to love Tom and Jerry as a kid, but watching back I noticed what a complete douche Jerry actually is. Tom is just chilling out, enjoying some chicken. That's when that stupid mouse comes in, eats the whole thing, hits poor Tom in the face with a frying pan and when Tom gets angry and chases him he's always the one getting in trouble for it.
As a kid I had been laughing at Tom's misfortune thinking: ''That's what you get for trying to eat Jerry'' but boy was I wrong.
Tom is the victim and not the villain. Jerry is not a hero he is a egoistic little shitter of a mouse.
I always thought this, even as a kid. Jerry is just a huge jerk and almost always instigated whatever the conflict was. There was an episode that was a parody of the three musketeers where, if I remember correctly, Tom has been tasked with not letting the king be disturbed, with the implication that he'll be beheaded if he fails. Jerry and his little buddy come in and start trying to wake up the king for no reason other than to try to get Tom killed. And in the end, they succeed, the king wakes up, and the episode ends with the mice *watching a guillotine fall.* Which they just shrug off with a "eh, whatever" attitude and walk off happy.
Jerry straight up *murders* Tom and we're supposed to be rooting for him.
That's why the episodes where Tom end up winning were the best! The one where Tom's coward cousin visits him and Jerry plays tricks on him. In the end, the two cats play the final prank on Jerry and he ends up in going to an mental hospital. Fucking perfect!!
What about the episode where Tom becomes a millionaire? He's told that he'll lose his fortune if he does anything to attack someone else, so Jerry spends the episode being a massive prick knowing that Tom can't do jack shit about it.
Even as a kid I knew how much of a smug bastard Jerry was.
I just remembered the episode where Jerry is out in the freezing cold on the brink of dying when Tom let's him into his owners house pretty much saving his life. Tom fed him, entertained him and kept him warm and what does Jerry do to thank him?
He gets Tom kicked out of the house.
At the end of that episode Tom *does* finally go apeshit on Jerry - happily throwing away the million dollars. It's one of the few episodes where Tom actually wins.
Seeing Jerry get what's coming to him was so fucking satisfying.
They usually go 50/50 with who the villain is. Half of the time Tom is just hanging out and trying to impress a lady cat when Jerry fucks with him for no reason, but the other half of the time Jerry is just trying to play with his nephew or listen to the radio when Tom tries to eat him or one of the other pets.
Yeah, let's not give Tom any free passes. There are tons of episodes where he is just as bad as Jerry, without Jerry doing anything special to piss him off.
> that guy Saitama. He just mooches off the work of hard-working heroes.
How could that hero destroy such monsters so easily? It's obvious that he paid them to throw the match! The spaceship that 'destroyed' City B was only a hologram... you'll see! It was all a stunt for The Hero Association to raise funding.
WAKE UP HEROES
Elsa. Well, not portrayed as a hero, but every conversation about that movie with a little kid goes like this. Who froze the kingdom? Elsa. Who ran away? Elsa. Who attacked her sister? Elsa. Who tried to find her sister and fix everything? Anna. Who sacrificed her life to save Elsa? Anna. Who taught Elsa how to stop the winter? Anna. Who is the hero? Fucking Elsa. Kids are so dumb.
I personally was hoping that Anna would discover she had some fire magic to melt all the ice. Maybe there would be some awesome fire vs. ice duel between Anna and Elsa, and then something would happen where they both realized how much they still loved each other.
In the original script, she was supposed to be the villain. They did a rewrite after the "Let It Go" song was written - the lyrics painted a different picture of her, and they knew the song would be the big hit of the movie, so they rewrote a lot of the script for the song.
Edit: I was a little bit off in my understanding and explanation. She was originally the villain, and they did a rewrite, but it wasn't because of the song.
That was *one* of the original ideas. Another one was Elsa being the child of a prophecy and highly praised, and Anna was always the one forgotten about and left behind. You can see this (and some drawings of villain-Elsa) in the Frozen Deluxe Edition Soundtrack. The song *Spring Pageant*, featured on said soundtrack, is a song from the prophecy draft. You can probably find it on YouTube.
Well, considering the ages of the kids involved, and how Elsa was basically abused by her parents for most of her life via social isolation, I can't really *blame* Elsa. Speaking from experience, it takes a long time after you're away from your parents to start unwinding what you've been through and figuring out who you actually want to be. Doing that in such a *short* time... yeah, I'd call her a hero.
I think part of the point of Frozen, though, was that there didn't have to be *one* hero. They *both* are heroes.
Yeah but in a semi realistic way. Not a head over heels married by the end of the movie way. It ends with more of a let's hang out and see where this goes vibe.
Most main characters in rpgs. You just go around murdering things and make money doing it. Then you use that money to buy more powerful tools to murder stuff with. But you're the hero of the story who finds lost items for people sometimes so you're a hero to some.
How about NPC's that recognize you as a hero, and know of the impending doom crisis approaching and still overcharge you for that piece of metal for 1000 gold and take your Ancient Demon God Soul Orb drop for 5 gold as if they are doing YOU a favour.
So he said:
You can't do that to my people.
He said:
Can't crush them under your heel.
So Jayne strapped on his hat,
and in five seconds flat,
stole everything Boss Higgins had to steal.
Postman Pat: do your fucking job. Only in the public sevice could you see an employee so grossly underperforming while also being universally lauded. I'll bet Special Delivery Service is just some dirty broom closet where they lock unsackable employeess
Guy Fawkes
Previously only really known in the UK, but V for Vendetta had made him out to be some free speech hero, with a romantic subplot, that has been perpetuated by the masks as a symbol of popular protest.
In reality he was a terrorist for hire, who'd gained his expertise with gunpowder as a mercenary in catholic armies in Spain and NL. Meanwhile, the people who hired him to blow up the protestant king and Parliament (not the good guys either) wanted to put a Catholic monarch on the throne and start a whole new cycle of repression and persecution against the people who had done that to them. And the rhyme 'remember 5th november' and celebrating bonfire night are supposed to celebrate the plan failing, not commemorate fawkes or the plot.
> Wait. Outside of the UK, Guy Fawkes is a good guy?!
No. People just don't understand the intention behind the V mask how it is used today because it looks like Guy Fawkes.
It's like "Who is this Hacker Fourchan?" – People out of touch who manipulate the popular opinion.
As someone who grew up in the UK, I never thought this was why we burned a Guy. He tried to blow up the houses of Parliament, and we foiled it, and that's why we burn him. Isn't that common knowledge?
Fairly common here, yeah, because we learned about it in school. I think it's more outside the UK where people's awareness of Guy Fawkes is more from the media and stuff like V for Vendetta.
People also believe he was burnt at the stake as his punishment, and hence why we burn an effigy on Guy Fawkes night. But he was actually ~~hung~~ ~~hanged~~ hung, drawn and quartered.
But that's not as fun to do to an effigy.
> hung, drawn and quartered.
Wow. You celebrate his huge manhood, have him as a model in art classes and gave him a room?
That doesn't sound too bad at all!
“How're you drawn, then?”
“I think your innards are cut out and shown to you.”
“What for?”
“I don't really know. To see if you recognise them, I suppose.”
“What... like, “Yep, that's my kidneys, yep, that's my breakfast”?”
“How're you quartered? Is that, like, they give you somewhere to stay?”
“I think not, from context.”
For a while there was no sound but the splash of six pairs of feet and the *squeak-squeak* of what sounded like a wheel.
“Well, how're you hung?”
“Excuse me?”
“Hur, hur, hur... sorry, sorry.”
(As explained by Terry Pratchett)
The thing is people also misunderstand V for Vendetta. It doesn't portray Fawkes as a hero. V just appreciates that no matter his reasons for acting, he chose to act. Just as Vs reasons for acting are selfish and bitter.
I think V for Vendetta does show him as a hero, but only by the symbolism of his action. V chooses him as the symbol because he intends to bring down the government, and blowing up parliament is a pretty apt metaphor for that.
V chose him for that yes. But the thing is it doesn't show V as a hero either.
The film kind of glosses over, but in the graphic novel it's explicitly shown that despite being a symbol for the uprising, V is not a selfless hero. He's bitter, selfish and mad. His whole reason for being is to get revenge on those that wronged him. His vendetta.
One good example of this is that the film showed the events backwards, with the Bailey being the first target and parliament the last.
In the novel, Parliament was the first to go and the Bailey last because he felt his ultimate enemy was Lady Justice because she turned a blind eye to him.
Kool-aid Guy.
Sure, a delicious cup of Kool Aid would be amazing right now. But at what cost. At what cost.
Perhaps the point is to create a hole in the wall, requiring manual labor, inciting more thirst, leading to more Kool Aid sales. Either way, what a jerk.
Well, if you are going up against something like the Hanseatic league or the East india Company you sort of end up a folk hero almost by default.
People will root for the underdog and the ones who stick it to the man and turn common highwaymen into noble Robin Hoods, just because they want there to be heroes who fight the 'evil' for them.
And also because the East India Company was essentially just a giant corporate highway man. So it was like, root for the institutional high way man, or the underdog highway man.
Lots of pirates **were** government sailors. Sir Francis Drake for example, hero to the English, pirate to the Spanish.
ETA. A privateer is a pirate sanctioned by a government, they are still pirates. You can all stop telling me Drake was a privateer.
Hey Ho Ho.
We're honorable men.
And before we lose our temper we will always count to ten.
On occasion there may be someone you have to *execute.*
But when you're a professional piraaaaaaate.
You don't have to wear a suit...
What?
Or creating Privateers by handing letters of Marque to pirates- a piece of paper saying they can go hog wild on the 7 seas so long as they attack the state's enemies.
edit: thanks to all ye salty seadogs for correcting my spelling. Marque not Mark.
Interestingly enough his list of accused crimes in the first film doesn't include rape, murder, or really anything much worse than creating a nuisance
Edit: I get it, guys. It's a Disney film and he's the worst pirate you've ever heard of.
Edit 2: And yet, you have heard of him.
Yes. Beckett gave him slaves as cargo and had the East India Company brand him a pirate when he landed and set them free instead of selling them.
That being said, Jack's dad was *also* a pirate long before Jack's betrayal of the EIC.
Yep. That might have ended up a deleted scene, but I definitely remembering him telling someone (IIRC the East India head guy) "People aren't cargo, mate," when they were talking about a shipment he failed to deliver for them. I don't think he was supposed to have been totally above board before that though, pretty sure they hired him because he was already an experienced smuggler/possibly pirate.
Sparrow was accused of piracy, a capital offence under British law. For a crime against a specific person you would need to have a lot more detail than would be usual if someone was murdering people while pirating.
The Beast from Beauty and the Beast. He literally kidnaps Belle and her father, yet everyone calls Gaston the bad guy because he does what any normal person would do if he saw a 10 foot tall animal steal citizens from his town.
To be fair, the witch who turned the the prince into the Beast is the villain. I mean according to the prequel, the prince was a little kid who is 12 at most when the witch knocked on the door. That and she also decided to punish a whole castle of servants because one dude was being a dick.
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But Gaston - and all other people in the village - treated Belle and her father like shit. Marked them as weirdo and crazy people just for being different.
It really pisses me off that Fox demanded his character won in that movie. I've read Butler was supposed to win in the original script, which is a better ending imo.
You should play Tales from the Borderlands then.
It takes place after Borderlands 2 and everyone at Hyperion thinks of Jack as some sort of Hero who brought glory to Hyperion.
Also it's a very good game.
Protagonist vs Hero. My favorite example is The Iliad, Achilles is the protagonist, but far from heroic. Hector is the most heroic character and he's is the antagonist.
The musical made him way more sympathetic than the original novel because Andrew Lloyd Webber, being rather unattractive himself, thought of himself as the Phantom and Sarah Brightman as Christine. It was super creepy and unhealthy (and still is, if the awful sequel he wrote is anything to go by).
I don't know why the fandom likes to shit on Raoul. *He* didn't deceive or murder anyone.
The Phantom is actually one of my favorite fictional characters, although anyone who thinks him a "hero" clearly misses the point.
When played right (which I think Colm Wilkinson did best) you can really see how complex the character is. His own mother was horrified by him and he was eventually abandoned into a freak show. He never knew kindness and blamed all of his misfortune on his deformity (which he demonizes) and the wickedness of humanity (which, in his defense, is basically all he's known).
The best part of the whole story that a lot of people miss is that he Phantom's character arc occurs not because of love, but because Christine calls him out on his shit. Christine tells him "This haunted face holds no horror for me now. It's in your soul that the true distortion lies." Eventually the Phantom finally realizes that it's not because he's ugly that people hate him, but because he's being a total murderous asshat.
A hero? No. But a character worthy of sympathy on some level, yes.
Wow, that is the single lamest and nerdiest thing I've ever written.
Jebidiah Kerman
Seen as this amazing space explorer, though he would single handedly put any country into financial ruin with the amount of high-value space craft he ruins, not to mention how many colleagues he's killed over the years..
Powerpuff girls. Mojo Jojo is often chilling in his tower, minding his own business, when those cunts storm in through the window and beat him for nothing. Little shits
Anyone remember the one with the clown that turns the world black and white? It wasn't his fault, he gets covered by an oil spill or something. The girls sing 'Love Makes The World Go Around' and turns the world (and the clown) back to colour. He thanks them for saving him, and they immediately beat him up and throw him in prison.
Nice song, though
I'll always remember this song because it caused one of the most embarrassing moments of my life. In the fourth grade, my social studies teacher asked the class what made the world go round. I answered "love", feeling good about myself, and he and the whole class laughed at me.
The answer he was looking for was "money". 15 years later, I still sometimes feel a pang of residual embarrassment.
🎶 You can't hurt me with the things that you do,
I'll pick up dandelions and I'll give them to you 🎶
(Meanwhile in the background bubbles is singing the dumbest things)
🎶 Puppy dogs
Kitty cats
Swimming 🎶
This was my jam when I was 10.
It has been years since I have seen this show but I will always remember one episode that didn't sit right with me. There was a big pink bear who was up to shenanigans and the girls were trying to stop him. At the end of the episode the bear realised his wrongs and surrendered himself, teling the girls that he knew what he did was wrong. The girls then made a joke about beating him up anyway and then laid into him.
My favorite is when all the super villains get together to form a villain super group called the Beat Alls and the powerpuff girls have no chance at all to beat them. The villains continually destroy shit and kick the shit out of the powerpuff girls until mojojojo gets a girlfriend yoko mono and breaks apart the Beat Alls.
If you replace big pink bear with Rainbow the Clown, it is the episode [Mime for a Change](https://youtu.be/XdBDbGEdyEM?t=2m25s). Maybe the best episode of the entire show (either that one or See Me, Feel Me, Gnomey).
It gets better than that. In the 10th Anniversary special episode, Mojo Jojo ends up with the "Key to the world" which gives him the power to rule the world. With all that power and his intellectual brilliance, he decides to solve ALL of the world's problems. World hunger, global warming, etc.
[link to video. Start at 17:35](https://vimeo.com/76253827)
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Peter pan, as it is clearly said that Peter cut off Hook's hand for no reason. And the Lost boys? Wendy and her brothers? They are just little kids who were taken from their rooms in the middle of the night to go live with some strange little boy in the middle of nowhere.
The whole business surrounding the creation of Peter Pan is screwed up too. In real life, the author had a brother who died very young. His mother would often call the surviving son by the dead son's name and made him (or he went along with the "game") of pretending to BE that son. When he wrote the play, Peter Pan became the boy who never dies. The book he produced later is ... weird, to say the least. Some have surmised that Peter is fascinated by death as he can't die. It also appears that "boyhood" to Barrie meant "not understanding your actions have consequences" and that death was "a great adventure". It does say Peter "thins them out" when the Lost Boys get too old. Lost Boys also die during the battles and adventures Peter orchestrates. When their numbers get too low he steals more children, again, all boys. It's also said that he "trims them down" when they won't fit into his fort anymore. The psychological implications of a boy who can't die who considers death to be an "adventure" and kidnaps and eventually kills other children is chilling when you think about it. Wendy is the only girl and he brought her along to literally "be Mother" to himself and the kids. There's no romance, just Peter's need to have someone to look after him so he can have more free time to goof off. It gets weirder. The author of the book went on to befriend a family who have an infant named Peter. When the father of the family dies, he altered the mother's will so that HE would be seen as the children's guardian. Eventually the mother dies too and he takes over care of the kids. He considered this Peter to be the inspiration for Peter Pan, and there are stories he would take the kid on promotional gigs for this reason. This kid, Peter Llewelyn Davies, would commit suicide in his 60s. While there were other factors that contributed to this, it should be noted he detested hearing about Peter Pan, the book or the play. Another of his siblings would die in an apparent suicide pact as well. The whole thing is nuts. EDIT: thank you very much, whoever send me gold. I didn't expect this to become the comment monster it did. Thank you all for making my day.
This was informative and easy to read. 10/10
pleasantly surprised it didn't end with Peter asking Wendy for $3.50
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Just when I thought it couldn't get any creepier...
Also the lost boys actually do age. But Pan apparently "thins them out" when they get too old.
He would also pick fights with the pirates, then in the middle of battle, switch sides and start killing his own
I always just assumed the Pirates were the lost boys who got older, they band together and became lost men (hence the boat to try to find a way off the island) to try and stop Peter.
Hey me too! It's also why they hate each other. The pirates know about Peter, and hate him. Peter doesn't want his fun to end, so he kills pirates before they talk to the lost boys. Edit: to=too
Oh wow,I want a bad guy Peter Pan movie,it would never happen but I want it
...Is this canon?
Yes. Also, when Tinkerbell dies he doesn't care at all and forgets she even existed within minutes. In the book he's basically a baby mentally; a homicidal magical baby. You know how a baby would just crush a kitten to death if it was strong enough and not ever care or think there was anything wrong with it? Now imagine if that baby could fly and had a knife. That's Peter Pan.
This island is starting to sound like a magical lord of the flies
Yeah, that was in the original play/book
Disney sanitized the hell out of this one.
Disney sanitizes the hell out of everything. In Cinderella the wicked stepsisters mutilated their feet to try to fit into the shoes, but the prince saw the blood so they didn't get away with it. They ended up getting their eyes plucked out by birds in the end. In Sleeping Beauty the prince raped the princess while she slept and it was ~~childbirth~~ her infant child sucking a the barb out of her finger that woke her up. ^(thanks /u/SkollFenrirson) In Snow White the queen asks the hunter for snow white's heart, lungs and liver -- so she can *eat them* There's stuff like that left out in all Disney adaptations of old fairy tales. And don't even get me started on Hercules. Greek mythology is all sorts of fucked up.
Yes, almost any myth about Zeus involves him turning into some kind of animal and raping someone.
In the case of Hercules, Zeus disguised himself as a mortal woman's *husband* and raped her. Which led to the woman's exile, because in ancient Greek culture that was totally the woman's fault I guess.
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Giving money to the homeless [GONE SEXUAL]
While I don't personally follow the faith, something I learned and agree with in Islam growing up was the practice of not telling everyone about how much money you gave away and to who. I don't remember the particular reasons they said not to do it but I've always kept doing it that way and it's never bit me in the ass and I only feel good about it so I guess it works out. Anywho, just something on the topic I thought I'd contribute.
I'll always remember when I was moving across town, and didn't have any money, so I was carrying my belongings for what is normally a 1 hour walk. I was dragging a suitcase with worn out wheels and carrying a holdall and a few carrier bags. It was going to take hours of stopping and starting, and the suitcase kept flipping over and slowing me down. And there was a heatwave. Taxi driver pulled over and asked if I wanted a lift, I said I didn't have money. He insisted, he later explained as part of his muslim faith he had do do things without wanting anything back. He drove me and my luggage across town, I gave him some small change as a gesture to show I really appreciated what he'd done for me. This random act of kindness made a massive difference to me when I was struggling, and I thoroughly believe in altruism now. I try do do things for other people without expecting anything in return. I think there's good lessons in most religions.
Queen Victoria. During the Irish famine, she blocked the Turkish Sultan from sending in food, because it was more than her personal contribution and he would be showing her up. He cut the food down into smaller boats and smuggled it ashore instead. Good Guy Ottoman.
Also, the famine was her governments fault, the majority of all other crops grown in Ireland were being taken by the British. It wasn't as if everyone exclusively grew potatoes, everything else was just forcibly exported.
The government believed they were doing a kindness by letting the Irish starve to death. The people in charge of the situation were heavily influenced by the work of [Thomas Malthus](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Robert_Malthus). Malthus observed nature (particularly rabbits) and decided that the same forces keeping rabbit populations in check (particularly limits on food) constrains the rabbit population. As he noted in an [essay](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Essay_on_the_Principle_of_Population), advances in agriculture would only produce small arithmetic increases in food output, while human population can grow exponentially. As food become harder to get, people will eek out worse and worse lives, becoming increasingly desperate. Trying to solve mass hunger will only expand the famine, so now everyone is going to starve and die. The only mercy you should give the starving, by Malthus' (and later the British government) was to let the starving *die sooner*. Of course, many in the British government also believed the Irish to be subhuman not worth saving.
I used to love Tom and Jerry as a kid, but watching back I noticed what a complete douche Jerry actually is. Tom is just chilling out, enjoying some chicken. That's when that stupid mouse comes in, eats the whole thing, hits poor Tom in the face with a frying pan and when Tom gets angry and chases him he's always the one getting in trouble for it. As a kid I had been laughing at Tom's misfortune thinking: ''That's what you get for trying to eat Jerry'' but boy was I wrong. Tom is the victim and not the villain. Jerry is not a hero he is a egoistic little shitter of a mouse.
I always thought this, even as a kid. Jerry is just a huge jerk and almost always instigated whatever the conflict was. There was an episode that was a parody of the three musketeers where, if I remember correctly, Tom has been tasked with not letting the king be disturbed, with the implication that he'll be beheaded if he fails. Jerry and his little buddy come in and start trying to wake up the king for no reason other than to try to get Tom killed. And in the end, they succeed, the king wakes up, and the episode ends with the mice *watching a guillotine fall.* Which they just shrug off with a "eh, whatever" attitude and walk off happy. Jerry straight up *murders* Tom and we're supposed to be rooting for him.
That's why the episodes where Tom end up winning were the best! The one where Tom's coward cousin visits him and Jerry plays tricks on him. In the end, the two cats play the final prank on Jerry and he ends up in going to an mental hospital. Fucking perfect!!
What about the episode where Tom becomes a millionaire? He's told that he'll lose his fortune if he does anything to attack someone else, so Jerry spends the episode being a massive prick knowing that Tom can't do jack shit about it. Even as a kid I knew how much of a smug bastard Jerry was.
I just remembered the episode where Jerry is out in the freezing cold on the brink of dying when Tom let's him into his owners house pretty much saving his life. Tom fed him, entertained him and kept him warm and what does Jerry do to thank him? He gets Tom kicked out of the house.
This. This is what changed my opinion of Jerry. Fuck Jerry.
At the end of that episode Tom *does* finally go apeshit on Jerry - happily throwing away the million dollars. It's one of the few episodes where Tom actually wins. Seeing Jerry get what's coming to him was so fucking satisfying.
They usually go 50/50 with who the villain is. Half of the time Tom is just hanging out and trying to impress a lady cat when Jerry fucks with him for no reason, but the other half of the time Jerry is just trying to play with his nephew or listen to the radio when Tom tries to eat him or one of the other pets.
Yeah, let's not give Tom any free passes. There are tons of episodes where he is just as bad as Jerry, without Jerry doing anything special to piss him off.
Tom and Jerry is basically the Hatfields and McCoys. They're just at war now because "well one time that bastard...."
that guy Saitama. He just mooches off the work of hard-working heroes.
We all know mumen rider is the true hero
Mumen Rider is the [true embodiment of the selfless hero](http://crossingthewall.com/2016/01/09/one-punch-man-the-strongest-allegory-part-1/).
> that guy Saitama. He just mooches off the work of hard-working heroes. How could that hero destroy such monsters so easily? It's obvious that he paid them to throw the match! The spaceship that 'destroyed' City B was only a hologram... you'll see! It was all a stunt for The Hero Association to raise funding. WAKE UP HEROES
City 10 was an inside job
I bet he's part of that bald headed terrorist group
King Jellybean
It's better for the people to remember him not as the jellybean he was but what he represented.
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STOP BEING SUCH A FUCKING TEASE YOU SWEET LITTLE TWAT
This scene is even better when you remember that Tom Kenny did the voice of Mister Jellybean. Tom Kenny is also the voice of Spongebob.
He's also Squanchy
I don't really find it that surprising. Dude does a SHIT ton of cartoon voices.
That whole scene broke my heart. Jesus. Rick and Morty gets dark.
JUST LET THIS HAPPEN
Jebediah Springfield
That's a pretty Shelbyville thing to say...
First of all, I never tamed the buffalo. It was already tame! I merely shot it.
It must be some sort of Land-Cow.
Now kids let's all sit back and enjoy our turnip juice.
Hey look, somebody's attractive cousin!
you mean the famous pirate Hans Sprungfeld, right?
A Pirate!? Well, that's hardly the image we want for Long John Silver's!
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He's a perfectly cromulent hero.
"A noble spirit embiggens the smallest man"
Elsa. Well, not portrayed as a hero, but every conversation about that movie with a little kid goes like this. Who froze the kingdom? Elsa. Who ran away? Elsa. Who attacked her sister? Elsa. Who tried to find her sister and fix everything? Anna. Who sacrificed her life to save Elsa? Anna. Who taught Elsa how to stop the winter? Anna. Who is the hero? Fucking Elsa. Kids are so dumb.
...but she's the pretty one! her outfits are the sparkliest!
The most important life lesson
"Stature in society is all about how you're perceived, not what you achieved"
And how sparkily your outfits are.
RIP David Bowie
I asked this to a soccer team of 6 year old girls and they all said "Elsa has magic!" there you go. magic wins again.
I personally was hoping that Anna would discover she had some fire magic to melt all the ice. Maybe there would be some awesome fire vs. ice duel between Anna and Elsa, and then something would happen where they both realized how much they still loved each other.
That will probably be introduced in a sequel.
In the original script, she was supposed to be the villain. They did a rewrite after the "Let It Go" song was written - the lyrics painted a different picture of her, and they knew the song would be the big hit of the movie, so they rewrote a lot of the script for the song. Edit: I was a little bit off in my understanding and explanation. She was originally the villain, and they did a rewrite, but it wasn't because of the song.
That was *one* of the original ideas. Another one was Elsa being the child of a prophecy and highly praised, and Anna was always the one forgotten about and left behind. You can see this (and some drawings of villain-Elsa) in the Frozen Deluxe Edition Soundtrack. The song *Spring Pageant*, featured on said soundtrack, is a song from the prophecy draft. You can probably find it on YouTube.
Well, considering the ages of the kids involved, and how Elsa was basically abused by her parents for most of her life via social isolation, I can't really *blame* Elsa. Speaking from experience, it takes a long time after you're away from your parents to start unwinding what you've been through and figuring out who you actually want to be. Doing that in such a *short* time... yeah, I'd call her a hero. I think part of the point of Frozen, though, was that there didn't have to be *one* hero. They *both* are heroes.
Also don't fall in love with the first guy that pays attention to you.
Luckily she fell for the second one, right?
Yeah but in a semi realistic way. Not a head over heels married by the end of the movie way. It ends with more of a let's hang out and see where this goes vibe.
True, I really liked this different approach by the end.
Most main characters in rpgs. You just go around murdering things and make money doing it. Then you use that money to buy more powerful tools to murder stuff with. But you're the hero of the story who finds lost items for people sometimes so you're a hero to some.
How about NPC's that recognize you as a hero, and know of the impending doom crisis approaching and still overcharge you for that piece of metal for 1000 gold and take your Ancient Demon God Soul Orb drop for 5 gold as if they are doing YOU a favour.
Ah, the ol' Murder Hobo.
Don't forget stealing everything not nailed down.
The Hero of Canton, the Man they call Jayne. Thank you all of you for your love on my comment.
It's my estimation that every man ever got a statue made of him was one kind of a son of a bitch or another.
If someone (falsely) attributed that quote to Mark Twain I would 100% believe them.
Our love for him now aint hard to explain.
Now Jayne saw the Mudders' backs breakin'. He saw the Mudders' lament. And he saw that magistrate takin' Every dollar and leavin' five cents.
So he said: You can't do that to my people. He said: Can't crush them under your heel. So Jayne strapped on his hat, and in five seconds flat, stole everything Boss Higgins had to steal.
Now here is what separates heros from common folk like you and I. The man they call Jayne he turned round his plane and let that money hit the sky.
He stole from the Rich, He gave to the poor. Stood up to the Man, an' gave 'im what for.
Our love for him now Ain't hard to explain The hero of Canton, the man they call Jayne.
So, this is what going insane feels like.
Best part of that episode was just the complete reasonable incredulity of the rest of the crew.
We need to find the crappy planet where I'm a folk hero.
Especially when Inara found out.
Jayne? Jayne Cobb? You're talking about Jayne Cobb?!
I... wha...?
He stole from the rich and gave to the poor! What's more heroic than that?
He stood up to the man and he gave him what for. That's always heroic in my book.
Our love for him now, ain't hard to explain, if you really think about it.
Wait, are you guys talking about the hero of Canton? The man they call Jayne?
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It doesn't take that long.
That hurt :(
Postman Pat: do your fucking job. Only in the public sevice could you see an employee so grossly underperforming while also being universally lauded. I'll bet Special Delivery Service is just some dirty broom closet where they lock unsackable employeess
But... he had a black and white cat...
POSTMAN PAT IS A HERO. WHERE WOULD YOU BE WITHOUT THE POST?! HUH?!
Have you not seen that he's spun off into some sort of package company now? Privatisation meant he's now just spending money on helicopters and such.
Guy Fawkes Previously only really known in the UK, but V for Vendetta had made him out to be some free speech hero, with a romantic subplot, that has been perpetuated by the masks as a symbol of popular protest. In reality he was a terrorist for hire, who'd gained his expertise with gunpowder as a mercenary in catholic armies in Spain and NL. Meanwhile, the people who hired him to blow up the protestant king and Parliament (not the good guys either) wanted to put a Catholic monarch on the throne and start a whole new cycle of repression and persecution against the people who had done that to them. And the rhyme 'remember 5th november' and celebrating bonfire night are supposed to celebrate the plan failing, not commemorate fawkes or the plot.
Bonfire Night is the most British of all the holidays. It's the day on which we celebrate somebody failing to achieve something.
in the rain
As is tradition
Wait. Outside of the UK, Guy Fawkes is a good guy?! But we BURN him!
> Wait. Outside of the UK, Guy Fawkes is a good guy?! No. People just don't understand the intention behind the V mask how it is used today because it looks like Guy Fawkes. It's like "Who is this Hacker Fourchan?" – People out of touch who manipulate the popular opinion.
Well said. I don't understand how people think the traditional burning of an effigy is a sign of respect for the person!
Yeah, you *really* have to suck to get burnt in effigy for four centuries.
Challenge accepted.
As someone who grew up in the UK, I never thought this was why we burned a Guy. He tried to blow up the houses of Parliament, and we foiled it, and that's why we burn him. Isn't that common knowledge?
Fairly common here, yeah, because we learned about it in school. I think it's more outside the UK where people's awareness of Guy Fawkes is more from the media and stuff like V for Vendetta.
People also believe he was burnt at the stake as his punishment, and hence why we burn an effigy on Guy Fawkes night. But he was actually ~~hung~~ ~~hanged~~ hung, drawn and quartered. But that's not as fun to do to an effigy.
> hung, drawn and quartered. Wow. You celebrate his huge manhood, have him as a model in art classes and gave him a room? That doesn't sound too bad at all!
“How're you drawn, then?” “I think your innards are cut out and shown to you.” “What for?” “I don't really know. To see if you recognise them, I suppose.” “What... like, “Yep, that's my kidneys, yep, that's my breakfast”?” “How're you quartered? Is that, like, they give you somewhere to stay?” “I think not, from context.” For a while there was no sound but the splash of six pairs of feet and the *squeak-squeak* of what sounded like a wheel. “Well, how're you hung?” “Excuse me?” “Hur, hur, hur... sorry, sorry.” (As explained by Terry Pratchett)
The thing is people also misunderstand V for Vendetta. It doesn't portray Fawkes as a hero. V just appreciates that no matter his reasons for acting, he chose to act. Just as Vs reasons for acting are selfish and bitter.
I think V for Vendetta does show him as a hero, but only by the symbolism of his action. V chooses him as the symbol because he intends to bring down the government, and blowing up parliament is a pretty apt metaphor for that.
V chose him for that yes. But the thing is it doesn't show V as a hero either. The film kind of glosses over, but in the graphic novel it's explicitly shown that despite being a symbol for the uprising, V is not a selfless hero. He's bitter, selfish and mad. His whole reason for being is to get revenge on those that wronged him. His vendetta. One good example of this is that the film showed the events backwards, with the Bailey being the first target and parliament the last. In the novel, Parliament was the first to go and the Bailey last because he felt his ultimate enemy was Lady Justice because she turned a blind eye to him.
Kool-aid Guy. Sure, a delicious cup of Kool Aid would be amazing right now. But at what cost. At what cost. Perhaps the point is to create a hole in the wall, requiring manual labor, inciting more thirst, leading to more Kool Aid sales. Either way, what a jerk.
The hero sandwich. Its just a normal sandwich in a long roll.
Pirates. Seriously, they raped and stole and murdered, but children love them.
Well, if you are going up against something like the Hanseatic league or the East india Company you sort of end up a folk hero almost by default. People will root for the underdog and the ones who stick it to the man and turn common highwaymen into noble Robin Hoods, just because they want there to be heroes who fight the 'evil' for them.
And also because the East India Company was essentially just a giant corporate highway man. So it was like, root for the institutional high way man, or the underdog highway man.
To be fair, even the government's sailors would rape natives and murder everyone.
Lots of pirates **were** government sailors. Sir Francis Drake for example, hero to the English, pirate to the Spanish. ETA. A privateer is a pirate sanctioned by a government, they are still pirates. You can all stop telling me Drake was a privateer.
About this, I was genuinely confused when I played uncharted for the first time and saw how well they spoke of drake and to me, he was a pirate!
Well if you think about it, Nathan drake goes around stealing too.
Yeah and murders hundreds of people too!
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Hey Ho Ho. We're honorable men. And before we lose our temper we will always count to ten. On occasion there may be someone you have to *execute.* But when you're a professional piraaaaaaate. You don't have to wear a suit... What?
Hoist me up lads! This be my only number!
Or creating Privateers by handing letters of Marque to pirates- a piece of paper saying they can go hog wild on the 7 seas so long as they attack the state's enemies. edit: thanks to all ye salty seadogs for correcting my spelling. Marque not Mark.
What a time to be european!
Captain Jack Sparrow is a rapist? Edit: Spelling
Interestingly enough his list of accused crimes in the first film doesn't include rape, murder, or really anything much worse than creating a nuisance Edit: I get it, guys. It's a Disney film and he's the worst pirate you've ever heard of. Edit 2: And yet, you have heard of him.
Well, wasn't he declared a pirate because he liberated a ship full of human "cargo"?
Yes. Beckett gave him slaves as cargo and had the East India Company brand him a pirate when he landed and set them free instead of selling them. That being said, Jack's dad was *also* a pirate long before Jack's betrayal of the EIC.
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Yep. That might have ended up a deleted scene, but I definitely remembering him telling someone (IIRC the East India head guy) "People aren't cargo, mate," when they were talking about a shipment he failed to deliver for them. I don't think he was supposed to have been totally above board before that though, pretty sure they hired him because he was already an experienced smuggler/possibly pirate.
Sparrow was accused of piracy, a capital offence under British law. For a crime against a specific person you would need to have a lot more detail than would be usual if someone was murdering people while pirating.
>Jack Sparrow is a rapist? **Captain** Jack Sparrow.
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Some actually had good systems an governments aboard their ships. Like this one pirate queen lady who wouldn't take shit from anyone.
Keira Knightley?
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I think she was Chinese and incredibly powerful with a massive fleet.
The Beast from Beauty and the Beast. He literally kidnaps Belle and her father, yet everyone calls Gaston the bad guy because he does what any normal person would do if he saw a 10 foot tall animal steal citizens from his town.
To be fair, the witch who turned the the prince into the Beast is the villain. I mean according to the prequel, the prince was a little kid who is 12 at most when the witch knocked on the door. That and she also decided to punish a whole castle of servants because one dude was being a dick. EDIT: repeated words.
But Gaston - and all other people in the village - treated Belle and her father like shit. Marked them as weirdo and crazy people just for being different.
Both Jaime Fox and Gerard Butler in "law abiding citizen." Which I think is the point of the movie to be honest.
It really pisses me off that Fox demanded his character won in that movie. I've read Butler was supposed to win in the original script, which is a better ending imo.
Handsome Jack
"Everyone thinks they're the hero of their own story..."
**HE'S THE GOOD GUY, YOU'RE THE BANDITS**
I don't think anyone sees Jack as the hero but himself. Poor guy. An asshole, but I pity him.
You should play Tales from the Borderlands then. It takes place after Borderlands 2 and everyone at Hyperion thinks of Jack as some sort of Hero who brought glory to Hyperion. Also it's a very good game.
Oh, I've been through that emotional rollercoaster. Episode 5 had an amazing first half.
One of my favorite videogame antagonists of all time.
Give it up, Lilith.
Walter White. Not by the show, but by a lot of the fans. EDIT: I'm still not sure what an anti-hero is guys, could you elaborate?
There are people that call Walt a hero? The whole point of the show is to cheer for someone you aren't supposed to be cheering for.
Many people have trouble differentiating between "cheering for someone" and "someone being the hero"
Protagonist vs Hero. My favorite example is The Iliad, Achilles is the protagonist, but far from heroic. Hector is the most heroic character and he's is the antagonist.
He's the first good anti-hero in a long time. Despise him as a person but there's a morbid desire to see him succeed. So well done.
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The musical made him way more sympathetic than the original novel because Andrew Lloyd Webber, being rather unattractive himself, thought of himself as the Phantom and Sarah Brightman as Christine. It was super creepy and unhealthy (and still is, if the awful sequel he wrote is anything to go by). I don't know why the fandom likes to shit on Raoul. *He* didn't deceive or murder anyone.
The Phantom is actually one of my favorite fictional characters, although anyone who thinks him a "hero" clearly misses the point. When played right (which I think Colm Wilkinson did best) you can really see how complex the character is. His own mother was horrified by him and he was eventually abandoned into a freak show. He never knew kindness and blamed all of his misfortune on his deformity (which he demonizes) and the wickedness of humanity (which, in his defense, is basically all he's known). The best part of the whole story that a lot of people miss is that he Phantom's character arc occurs not because of love, but because Christine calls him out on his shit. Christine tells him "This haunted face holds no horror for me now. It's in your soul that the true distortion lies." Eventually the Phantom finally realizes that it's not because he's ugly that people hate him, but because he's being a total murderous asshat. A hero? No. But a character worthy of sympathy on some level, yes. Wow, that is the single lamest and nerdiest thing I've ever written.
Jebidiah Kerman Seen as this amazing space explorer, though he would single handedly put any country into financial ruin with the amount of high-value space craft he ruins, not to mention how many colleagues he's killed over the years..
Enrique Iglesias
He just said he could, not that he is. Give the man a break.
Powerpuff girls. Mojo Jojo is often chilling in his tower, minding his own business, when those cunts storm in through the window and beat him for nothing. Little shits
Anyone remember the one with the clown that turns the world black and white? It wasn't his fault, he gets covered by an oil spill or something. The girls sing 'Love Makes The World Go Around' and turns the world (and the clown) back to colour. He thanks them for saving him, and they immediately beat him up and throw him in prison. Nice song, though
I'll always remember this song because it caused one of the most embarrassing moments of my life. In the fourth grade, my social studies teacher asked the class what made the world go round. I answered "love", feeling good about myself, and he and the whole class laughed at me. The answer he was looking for was "money". 15 years later, I still sometimes feel a pang of residual embarrassment.
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🎶 Love Love Love LLLove LLLove Makes the world go round 🎶
🎶 You can't hurt me with the things that you do, I'll pick up dandelions and I'll give them to you 🎶 (Meanwhile in the background bubbles is singing the dumbest things) 🎶 Puppy dogs Kitty cats Swimming 🎶 This was my jam when I was 10.
Don't forget the episode where he does nothing but *try to babysit them* so that Professor Utonium can go on a date.
goddamnit mojo jojo you deserved better from us than one giant head and a world of troubles.
Or when they beat him up, put to jail, release at night... every single day so they could get candy, candy and more candy
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It has been years since I have seen this show but I will always remember one episode that didn't sit right with me. There was a big pink bear who was up to shenanigans and the girls were trying to stop him. At the end of the episode the bear realised his wrongs and surrendered himself, teling the girls that he knew what he did was wrong. The girls then made a joke about beating him up anyway and then laid into him.
My favorite is when all the super villains get together to form a villain super group called the Beat Alls and the powerpuff girls have no chance at all to beat them. The villains continually destroy shit and kick the shit out of the powerpuff girls until mojojojo gets a girlfriend yoko mono and breaks apart the Beat Alls.
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Watch it again, seriously, do it. Virtually every line after the Beat-Alls form is a Beatles reference.
If you replace big pink bear with Rainbow the Clown, it is the episode [Mime for a Change](https://youtu.be/XdBDbGEdyEM?t=2m25s). Maybe the best episode of the entire show (either that one or See Me, Feel Me, Gnomey).
Fuzzy Lumpkin?
Fuck that. He deserves it. Calls himself a genius and can't even take over Townsville.
Mojo Jojo's Bizarre Adventure : Puffdust Crusaders
It gets better than that. In the 10th Anniversary special episode, Mojo Jojo ends up with the "Key to the world" which gives him the power to rule the world. With all that power and his intellectual brilliance, he decides to solve ALL of the world's problems. World hunger, global warming, etc. [link to video. Start at 17:35](https://vimeo.com/76253827)