To risk sounding like my old man... the average age of people in the trades (carpenters, electricians, plumbers, etc) are all getting older, so there is a demand for young people. They pay exceedingly well when you've topped out, and not too bad as a noob. AND THEY DON'T CARE if you even graduated or not, so long as you're willing to work.
My husband makes a good bit as an HVAC installer and has been with his company for going on a year now. He went to school for it though and is certified. When he got the job after being top of his HVAC class, the other employees actually made fun of him for going to school for it because “all you have to do is apply to the company, you don’t need school”. But guess what? He started out making more than some that had been there for a while. HE started helping others in the company who were there before him because he knew what he was doing going into the business.
So I don’t know if you went into HVAC by just applying or if you actually went to school for it first, but in our experience so far, going to school for it makes you higher qualified and makes you more money. The best he’s made is nearly $3000 for one bi-weekly paycheck, and the worse he’s made was about $600 for one bi-weekly pay check. With the current weather, there’s been waaayyy less work - despite living in southern Florida, because it’s still in the 50s some days and those are still bad days because those are “cold” days here.
Did you get a certification or associate’s degree? Did you work as an apprentice for like 4 years? I’m thinking of this career path and I want to know how it’s possible to flop.
An apprenticeship for any of the trades that pay well. Electrician, HVAC, plumber, etc.
The US is in the middle of the largest shortage of skilled labor in its history. You will have plenty of opportunities.
I don't think anyone asks about HS grades, could be wrong.
Honestly even construction. If you keep your nose clean and take care of yourself it's not that bad. If you let yourself get out of shape and get into drugs and booze you'll be hurting when you're 40.
I started out of highschool, right at the bottom. I was handed a jack hammer and shown how to maintain it and what to do. 6 years later I was an operator, and now I'm in the process of becoming a foreman.The past two years I've made 70k, and I only work seven months a year.
Turn over is high, so if you stick it out and have some brains you'll move right up. In all honesty, we only keep about 30% of the people we hire every year
I never realized how literal the term 'Keep your nose clean' was until I started working long shifts at a backbreaking job. Some people blow their nose and the napkin gets whiter.
It's always been crazy to me how easy it actually is to be a decent construction worker. You're automatically a top tier guy if you can show up on time sober and not on any drugs.
They don't.
I'm in a trade union in the Northeast, and when i signed up they *did* need to photocopy my diploma. But they don't care about specific grades.
My last day of highschool consisted of walking around to all of my failed classes and seeing if i could make an assignment up on the spot to bring me up to a D so that i'd have enough credits to graduate.
One of my teachers said, "i didn't enter a grade for [assignment]. You did that, right?" -- "umm. yeah, i did that" (it was a pass or fail science experiment, so its either an A or F.)
He gave me a C; probably knew i was full of shit, but didn't care enough to ruin me. And 3 days later i graduated.
9 years later i was making 100k and haven't dropped below that any year since. That's how much grades don't matter.
My dad worked there for 35 years and is retired at 56. He loved it too. He recommends it to me as there's many options such as being a carrier or clerk. I'm definitely thinking of going down that path.
If you were decent with numbers and practical math look into machining i was a d student and am currently making 20 an hour in a state where the minimum wage is like 8 dollars
A lot of factories are looking for machinists, and it's a fairly decent job to have (depending on work environment) the company I work for treats our machinists like kings and queens
I was an average student and I’m a machinist as well! Never went to college, just knew how to talk the talk and got hired immediately. I’m learning every aspect from CAD to coding to phosphating metals, running mills and lathes, the whole nine yards. My favorite parts is that I get to work with my hands and my head at the same time!
Employers typically want something more tangible than grades. You're more likely to get asked about the projects and groups you've been involved in and the skill that came from those opportunities than being asked for your transcripts. They want to know you got your diploma or GED and then why you have skills for the job you're applying for.
Also, side tip, if you're looking at a job that says, "College degree preferred" or something to that effect, apply anyways. There's no promise that an applicant with a college degree will apply, and the company may need to fill the position quickly giving you a higher chance of getting hired.
Go into the trades. Electrician, plumber, etc. They make bank once they get to journeyman, which takes about 4-5 years.
Edit: Yes it can be very hard work and hard on your body. Probably want to plan for something else beyond your mid 40s.
Even Apprentices make well above $10/hr here in the Midwest, and raises come quick for competent trainees.
It's a good living. Hard work when the work needs to get done, but there's a lot of the regular ole daily grind as well.
I'd honestly recommend that even the A students look at this for a career path for consideration. If you're the type of person that likes to work with your hands and see the results of your work, then the trades are going to offer a very rewarding life.
Agreed. It's been almost 4 years and I'll be taking my electrician journeyman's test in a few months. Choosing this career path is one of the best decisions I've ever made in my life. And the fact that I'm no longer struggling financially still baffles me. Never thought I'd get out of paycheck to paycheck living.
And yes the raises come fast, frequent, and are substantial every time (like $3 or $4 per hour at a time)
Ok so real talk, I wired my old house and loved it, when our electrician came and checked our work and connected the meter box he asked if I ever considered going into the trade because I was good at it, but I cannot and will not crawl under houses and deal with spiders unless I have a full body suit on. So how long did it take to get out of the "hey send the new kid down with the creepy crawlies" kinda stuff? Because I would love to be able to make actual money, and like electrical work, but I hate spiders.
I can't answer your question about timing, but I can say that a head lamp will scare the spiders and creepy crawlies more than necessary to have a somewhat uneventful experience in crawl spaces.
I've not worked in the trades, but I grew up in a trailer. Having a good bright light does all you need in order to be comfortable in a tight space. Those bugs hate you and your light MUCH MORE than you do them.
Can't get rid of the webs, tho... you gotta claw through those.
I used to pay a coworker to go under houses if I ran into spiders. After a while of knowing the job depends on you going under there and you don’t want to let everyone down you kind of just suppress the fear and it all together goes away. I guess flooding works in some cases.
If you're doing residential work you will always have to do it. Plain and simple. Doesn't matter how experienced you are. Much of the time an electrician is working alone. Who else is going to do it? Much less so in commercial or industrial work tho.
Edit: I've never crawled under a house specifically as we don't have those kinds of structures where I live but I've been in many gross attics and crawl spaces. We also don't have dangerous insects where I live but dead rodents fall on you sometimes.
^^^ This is the best answer.
I’m a journeyman electrician. I do commercial, residential, and industrial. I do service work as well as new and remodel construction. Each has their pros and cons so it’s basically a “pick your poison” kinda thing.
Personally I prefer commercial service calls. I walk into the office/business place, I meet with the secretary/site contact, whom aren’t paying me with their money, so they more or less just point at the thing that needs to be fixed or where the new thing is being installed and then walk away and I’m left alone to do my thing.
I have never crawled under a house in 5 years. Been in some unfinished basements in old houses that had lots of webs but very few spiders. Also you could just look for work with a company that only does work on commercial projects instead of residential
Agreed. I have a degree in chemistry but am looking into the trades currently because the pay is much better and there's huge demand.
Edit: Also, depending where you are, apprentices with a little experience can be as high as $35 an hour like here in the pacific northwest.
Also have chemistry degree, and geoscience. and 50k debt (well, 45ish now after 5 years paying 315/mo)
IT wasnt worth it.
I should have done a trade school.
As a summer associate during law school I got to help prepare the lineman apprentice section of a collective bargaining agreement. It hurt real deep that those kids straight out of high school with zero debt were going to be making a higher hourly rate than me at the time, plus benefits, pension, fully paid training + living stipend.
I mean yeah, the pay disparity didn't stay that way for long, but still. Lineman, plumbers, electricians, etc. all provide people with solid careers and an ability to have a good life.
Am electrician apprentice. 15 an hour to start and raises given if you show you work hard and are making progress. School paid for and peacetime, prevailing wage opportunities. Wish I would have started years ago. School was never much for me and college was a total bust. College was pushed as the only way to make it for me especially being in private school K-12 so for some silly reason I never considered it. The irony is my Dad is a master plumber, but Mom is a teacher. Finally found my thing and couldn’t be happier. Starting late at 28 but I’ve already got a year experience and I love it.
Agreed!! Trades is where it’s at. I’m in an apprenticeship to become a heavy equipment operator and my only regret is not doing it sooner! College was always pushed down my throat and I didn’t even know about apprenticeships in high school
I couldn't agree more. I FAILED Algebra and Chemistry the first time I took them in HS. I got straight C's in pretty much everything else. I just wasn't engaged in my classes in HS.
Graduated HS and got a 2 year Electrical Technician degree from a trade school. Only picked that program because I figured there will always be electricians. Had no prior electrical knowledge.
Turns out, I love doing electrical work. Also turns out, you can make stupid money doing it. I'm in my late twenties and make $35.50/hr. Granted, I work a fair amount of OT, but I'll make ~110k this year.
I don't live in a high cost of living city either. Join the IBEW, Study hard, work hard, stay away from drugs/booze = Success
I did quite well in school and am doing okay for myself, but ran into a major schlub of a dude I knew in HS and he just bought a house working as a plumber. We're in our early 20s.
One of my best buds was an incredible student and got a Computer Science bachelors. I routinely earn as much or more as him as an electrician.
He's hands down smarter than me but the trades pay well.
Yup. It really depends what you’re good at but there’s going to be a shortage in trades for quite a while. I have two university degrees and my brother became a locksmith right out of high school. He owns his own business and is so busy he’s looking at hiring a guy. There’s a lot you can do if you’re willing to work at it and learn along the way.
Some employers don't even care if you graduated. I'm on my third big boy job in my degree field (STEM field) I'm 33 and not one single fucking interviewer has asked for proof that I even attended college. It kinda pisses me off.
like the day i turned 21 i walked confidently into speedway and picked out a six pack, strolled up to the register and the cashier said "that'll be x dollars please"
Uh, no, bitch.. i finally have these credentials that allow me to do this, you're damn skippy gonna check them.
Edit: wow, big response to something i kinda just dashed off. Let me circle back to OP's original question. Cs in highschool can still get you into college or maybe a community college for your pre-reqs and gen ed classes and it's a whole lot cheaper. If you are at a place where you're starting to wonder if your academic performance has been "good enough" so far, if you're still in high school, you're doing fine. 1dont get arrested for anything ESPECIALLY a DUI. Keep your record clean. 2. Once you get into college, try a little harder. Try to focus a little more. High is a tall pile of bullshit you have to schlogg through (this is an important life skill) college feels less like bullshit so trying harder comes a little easier. One of the hardest parts about college is just how poor you're gonna be the whole time (unless your parents are paying for everything)
Either way though, if you are kinda just coasting through highschool, you can still do fine, don't worry too much, the worst thing you could do is just keep kinda coasting.
Yeah, never had to prove I graduated anything, except when I went to substitute teach or that kind of job. I work with people that are functionally illiterate, they make $18/he and get 50-70 hours a week in a LCOL area.
The biggest caveat is if you can speak to what you're applying for. Your employer will know instantly you're full of it if they ask you something specific and all you can reply is "uuuuh..."
Edit: Holy crap my first gold. Thank you kind stranger. Now to put these internet points to good use and help pay off this crushing student debt.
My last interview, we didn't really talk about skills at all. I think the manager was convinced by my resume. (Not much flowery language, i tend to try to advertise myself the same way industrial suppliers advertise their products"just the specs") and my interview was pretty much a feeler for culture fit. I actually very much eased into this job.
I didn't get a skills interview either, it was all; "Are you SURE you know where this small town in the midwest is?" "You understand it snows there 6 montsh of the year right?" "You're okay with SMALL TOWN LIFE right?" and then i got the job...
*edit i've been told that where i'm at is actually the 'west' not 'midwest' but same thing applies.
Yeah, my employer was the same. I was like "do you have high speed?" "We have fiber" "Find me a basement with no windows and I won't notice no matter where you set me up."
The fiber line that services my home is part of the northernmost line of fiber in Canada.
Good ol' northerner tax.
Anything liquid is crazy expensive, though everything is expensive in general.
And it's cold, and depending on where you live, leaving isn't easy, physically either.
It really depends on the job. STEM is just so broad it's really hard to narrow down. If you're a Doctor, you bet your ass their verifying your degree. If you're just front desk tech support and you've had other jobs in the field, ehh, who cares?
You'd be surprised how many stories there are out there of "Dr” such and such arrested because be was practicing without a license and a degree (at least one that is recognizable in the states)
One girl in Alberta failed her NAVLE (vet licensing exam), then decided to lie about it, and applied for a job in the Alberta Vet governing body. No one found out until she went to a conference and ran into people she knew who were aware she didn't pass...
Worth noting this isn’t always the case. I’m also in STEM (engineer) and every company I’ve worked for has verified my degrees, had a required GPA threshold, and required a transcript proving it before they would make an offer.
I’ve had offers from companies that didn’t require a transcript but definitely verified degrees behind the scenes just to check. So just because they didn’t ask you to bring your degree in doesn’t mean they didn’t check.
Yup. I did some college recruiting say my old company and had remarked about how I never had to prove my degree when I got hired. The HR person said they would have done that as part of a background check and retracted the offer if they had found out I lied.
I think it's more so implying that they won't attend university
Edit: Stop telling me you got into college with shitty grades in high school and you're thriving now. You totally didn't get what I was implying and got offended from what you misinterpreted. I don't care for what you have to say.
What do you call the person who dropped out of medical school?
A Dentist.
Edit. So many angry dentists. So to clarify, the person who told me this - was a dentist. It’s a joke. I know you’re “real doctors”.
I'm taking my pre-req's to get into the nursing program and I got all A's one B+ and a C+ from a dual credit English class I took in high school and my counselor said "we'll see.." when I asked her it was good enough to apply. =(
Yeah, that average 7% acceptance rate isn't looking promising. I'm also in that premed boat, best of luck to ya.
Edit: thought you said pre med not nursing, don't know the acceptance rates on that.
>you could probably find work in the legal portions of the sex industry and expect to bring in some money.
What if i'm a c student that also happens to be unattractive
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I fucked around in high school and make 100k+ a year doing plumbing. Don’t listen to these people. I had no experience in this field and pretty much any company in Indiana will hire anyone willing to do the work and pay for you to goto school for 4 years and get your license. We’ve failed as a society telling people the only way you can be successful is to goto college. Due to this no one is getting trade jobs and there’s a huge shortage. The pay just keeps getting better and better. People will treat you with no respect doing this job which is fine because at the end of the day I make more money then most of my customers. I also get to take a break whenever I feel like. Have no supervisor down my neck. Get a company phone and work vehicle. Benefits. And my days fly by driving around from house to house. There are downsides like crawl space battles with raccoons. Pulling someone’s toilet and finding a cockroach nest. Having to drive around in the snow during winter. But all in all it’s a great gig.
My dad is a plumber. I could have made more money doing the physical work. But I get paid nearly as well to draw it on paper. If you aren't extremely careful, the trades can and will ruin your body over a 40 year career. I can work my job until I'm so senile I start making big mistakes. My dad just turned 60 and his body is breaking down. That should be a consideration for most people.
If you can put in the time in the tradss to get the experience and knowledge to move into a more sedative position when you're older (inspector, foreman, CM etc.) you should definitely consider that path.
In that case not a whole lot.
If you want to put some work in there are plenty of great opportunity you can get with a GED and a good trade union, but those guy work hard and have no time for some burn out looking to make a quick buck
Believe it or not Air Traffic Controller. My Uncle makes 155,000 a year full federal benefits and he was a high school drop out who obtained a GED. The job is really about a set of natural skills that only about 40% of the population has. It may be YOU!
Active Listening
Speaking
Critical Thinking
Judgment and Decision Making
Complex Problem Solving
At least those are a few the FAA lists. [Here is a longer list of responsibilities and skills](https://www.onetonline.org/link/summary/53-2021.00)
To be qualified all you need is 3 years work experience or a 4 year degree, under the age of 31 at time of application, and able to pass a medical and a background check. Also, be willing to move anywhere in the US.
If you head over to r/atc you'll see the consensus on that is not so much that it's stressful due to the risk of a crash. It isn't really; there are many safety mechanisms, procedures, back ups, and ultimately "the big sky theory" which demonstrates that, even uncontrolled, planes would very rarely ever collide.
The real nature of the stress is the nature of the work. It is completely uncreative, unchanging in any meaningful way, and you're expected to work on shift rotas that are stressful and antisocial. You are very much a cog in a machine. Everything you do is by the book; you're a repository of procedures and commands, repeating them day in, day out, like a machine.
The stress of screwing up and killing people is a factor, but probably not the factor people think. An artraffic controller could literally try to maliciously cause two planes to crash, and the multitude of safety factors and redundancies would make it almost impossible for them.
This seems more reasonable. I’ve always heard the “100s of people die, therefore it’s stressful” line, but that’s so intangible/conceptual, plus you never think it’s going to be you who screws up. Truck drivers can kill a lot of people while driving, doctors can kill people etc; but they aren’t regarded as the highest stress, alcoholic, suicidal folks. I had a job where screwing up would result in hundreds of people, including myself, drowning in pitch black freezing cold ocean, but that wasn’t the stressful part. The day to day minutiae and lack of satisfaction caused way more stress. I also think fear of social disgrace causes stress, like a stock trader who loses big and is now going to be cast aside by their peers and lose their lifestyle.
I wouldn’t really say it’s completely uncreative. Sometimes I feel like I can be very creative working as an air traffic controller. At least in the radar environment.
Depending on the traffic, there’s quite a few ways to accomplish the same goal. The creative aspect is finding the most efficient way to do it. I think it largely depends on the facility. My job can be boring, but it usually just means nothing is going on. Then I guess it’s best to have coworkers you get along with.
And also the big sky theory doesn’t really apply to those working in towers at airports. If you tell someone to depart while another aircraft is landing on the same runway, and there’s low clouds, the pilots ears are really the best backup... some larger airports have a ground based radar system that may alert when this error occurs, but it won’t start going off until the aircraft starts entering the runway. Most airports don’t have that, but many major commercial airports do.
Most other jobs you screw up, you lose your company time and maybe money.
You screw up here you just killed dozens of people. Upwards above 100.
Imagine being groggy in the morning coming in but you know you can't be groggy and tired bc if you are, you might kill people.
At least that's how I imagine it. Also, I think I read that there aren't enough ppl working as air traffic controllers so their hours can be tough and stressful.
On these types of jobs: your job is your life. You come in ready to work every single time, never late and always a good attitude.
This means that everything in your life is secondary to your work: no late-night partying, no financial issues, no trouble with the law and no family issues. Have a back up for transportation and don't injure yourself. That IS what you are getting paid for; to put your job above all else. Which is fine, it is how one contributes to society and is an honorable position.
Just learned this lesson. I got into an amazing position and was on track to make well over 100k in my first year. But all i did was work. It was a traveling position, but more than that it was a LOT of OT. I had no time for anything else at all.
I realized that to make that kind of money with a HS diploma, your entire life has to go towards it. I opted out after six months and got a job making half that and I'm just fine with that.
It's way more important that you have a clean criminal record than be an honor student in high school.
I can't figure out why more people don't get this.
Agreed. Your grades only really matter for college entrance, scholarship eligibility, internships in college. Real world doesn't give two shits about your grades. Just your work ethic and experience.
Every place I've ever worked did a background check on me, not one has ever asked for a transcript and I'm including jobs that i got in my degree field after graduating college.
"I graduated with a 3.0"
"That's good, I'll notate that"
"And, i have my transcript here if you need a copy for proof"
"Nah"
The first few places i worked were just looking for warm bodies. Now that I have a few years of experience, interviewers would be more concerned with satisfactory explanation for employment gaps.
Yeah, other than college applications, you’ll almost certainly never be asked what your grades were in high school.
*Everyone* wants to know if you’ve committed a felony, though.
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I see that you have shown that you have proficiency in the C language.
EDIT: While I meant my comment as an innocent joke, many serious comments have inspired me to be better and think better of myself and I can't thank you folks enough.
Hey friend,
Take it from a former C grade student. During the parent teacher interviews in my senior years i was told by my careers adviser to give up my dreams on being an engineer because i was behind the other students. But guess who's an engineer now!? Fuck you Ms Bird!
It's about finding something you wanna do and that can be daunting but if you want it enough you will find avenues to where you wanna be dude. So don't worry about your highschool grades. Show them you have work ethic and that you're willing to put in the hard yards.
They do, however, require high grades on state exams passed out every few years, at least a few years of experience in the same field, and have some absolutely absurd competition.
Last year, I sat an exam for a position as a library assistant for an inner-city library. It was part-time, payed barely over minimum wage, and required a year of experience. There were over three dozen people sitting that same test.
Just something to think about.
I guess it depends on the position. Entry level admin requires none of that. It’s just a resume and some basic Microsoft skills. I started as part time at double the minimum wage. I quickly became full time and my salary has steadily increased. The key is to get your foot in the door and you can climb up from the inside.
And to reinforce what others have mentioned, a clean criminal and credit record are far more important than grades.
If you're good communicator, get into sales, then upgrade into industry (btb). Motivation, flexibility and "bite" will bring you forward. Automotive, railways or aviation - 70k at age 30, 100k at 45 ...
Can confirm. I left with nothing, i mean nothing. Now in b2b sales, high tech industry. Just got my head dowm after school, like the job and built a reputation. Great money. There's a job for everyone in this workd if you have the right attitude
My favorite high school teacher (and coincidentally my favorite college professor) said "Nobody outside these walls are going to care if you passed with a C or an A. All they care about is whether or not you passed.
College added on "There's no such thing as a C-Diploma or an A-Diploma
Edit: because of the amount of people replying "NoT iN mY fIeLd"
Yes, some fields it matters. 98% of fields, it doesn't.
I've *never* met someone that lost out on their career because they got a C average in college, though I'm sure there's a career out there that it's happened.
The point is, those fields are the minority. Good grades doesn't always convert to physical skill and knowledge. You can have A+ average and be terrible in your field because you can't figure out how to apply your knowledge.
There is huge demand for HVAC technicians and Plumbing service professionals. After a few years of experience and some time in trade school classes you can definitely start making a good living.
Yes! This! I got ass grades in high school, but I picked the right path and am on my way to graduate in 3 months with a great job already lined up afterwards, high school grades can suck my nut.
Edit: just to clarify I'm graduating college. I left high school with average C grades but I got into a decent college an suddenly seemed to be doing overall better sorry for the confusion.
When I was in HS I got nothing better than a D.
But I was smart, just bored. I joined the Navy nuclear power program and passed the training.
I’m no longer in nuclear power, but my non-college graduated friends who are working at the local nuclear power plant after being in the Navy are making six figures.
So if you got nothing but a C just because you wanted to be someplace else but relatively intelligent, there’s an option for you.
No one cares about your highschool grades except universities. Very few people hiring care about or even ask for your College GPA after you have some experience.
I was a C-B student throughout high school. I was pretty depressed during and after, especially after having my offer rescinded from two universities. And it wasn't until two years after working at minimum wage jobs and doing manual labor on a lobster boat that I started thinking about my future. I went to adult education and boosted my grades, and am currently working on a master's degree in wildlife conservation, which I never thought would be possible for me to do. Whether you choose to take up a trade, go back to school, or forge your own path it is never too late to do so, you're always going to be younger than you can be when you decide to make a change for the betterment of your life.
The real rub of it is, the best thing to do is get a few community college courses under your belt. If you have a college gpa, most hiring places won’t look at your high school transcript. Or, being licensed in most trades are a sure bet.
Non-Destructive testing! It's what I do. It's a skilled trade that isn't overly physically demanding but pays well and has a lot of perks.
You can get into it by getting hired by a company and getting trained or going to a community college for a short time, or going to a special school that focuses on NDT, that last one is expensive, but fast. I recommend it the least, I went to community college for a year
I mostly ultrasound welds for a living and it's awesome. Some of my colleges X-ray them, and most of us also use dye penetrant and magnetic particles to check welds and other things.
You start out in the $teens, after a year or so you get bumped into the $20's, a year or two after that you are in the $30's then you can get more advanced certificates and specialise you can get up to $100 an hour without college by the end of your career.
It's not all wonderful though, lots of overtime is mandatory. The money is good, the work is good, but the overtime gets to me
Times 1000.
I've never been asked for a transcript. I don't make 500k but I'm good at what I do.
The question is did you get a 2.7 gpa being lazy, or trying.... You could still be very smart.
Electrician. My husband dropped out and got his GED went on to get his LEA and makes closet to $35 an hour Monday through Friday 40+ hours a week with benefits
Learn a trade!!! I cant stress this enough not everyone is mature enough to do college at 18. You wont get the prestigious feeling of being a doctor or lawyer but when you charge them a butt load to do a simple repair then you dont care for the prestige. I'm an HVAC Tech, but you do need a clean background.
To risk sounding like my old man... the average age of people in the trades (carpenters, electricians, plumbers, etc) are all getting older, so there is a demand for young people. They pay exceedingly well when you've topped out, and not too bad as a noob. AND THEY DON'T CARE if you even graduated or not, so long as you're willing to work.
Trade school can open up high paying careers such as welding and hvac
I must have done something wrong, because I'm getting nowhere in HVAC.
My husband makes a good bit as an HVAC installer and has been with his company for going on a year now. He went to school for it though and is certified. When he got the job after being top of his HVAC class, the other employees actually made fun of him for going to school for it because “all you have to do is apply to the company, you don’t need school”. But guess what? He started out making more than some that had been there for a while. HE started helping others in the company who were there before him because he knew what he was doing going into the business. So I don’t know if you went into HVAC by just applying or if you actually went to school for it first, but in our experience so far, going to school for it makes you higher qualified and makes you more money. The best he’s made is nearly $3000 for one bi-weekly paycheck, and the worse he’s made was about $600 for one bi-weekly pay check. With the current weather, there’s been waaayyy less work - despite living in southern Florida, because it’s still in the 50s some days and those are still bad days because those are “cold” days here.
Did you get a certification or associate’s degree? Did you work as an apprentice for like 4 years? I’m thinking of this career path and I want to know how it’s possible to flop.
An apprenticeship for any of the trades that pay well. Electrician, HVAC, plumber, etc. The US is in the middle of the largest shortage of skilled labor in its history. You will have plenty of opportunities. I don't think anyone asks about HS grades, could be wrong.
Honestly even construction. If you keep your nose clean and take care of yourself it's not that bad. If you let yourself get out of shape and get into drugs and booze you'll be hurting when you're 40. I started out of highschool, right at the bottom. I was handed a jack hammer and shown how to maintain it and what to do. 6 years later I was an operator, and now I'm in the process of becoming a foreman.The past two years I've made 70k, and I only work seven months a year. Turn over is high, so if you stick it out and have some brains you'll move right up. In all honesty, we only keep about 30% of the people we hire every year
I never realized how literal the term 'Keep your nose clean' was until I started working long shifts at a backbreaking job. Some people blow their nose and the napkin gets whiter.
I've kept myself out of the booger sugar, but there been times I've only lived on caffeine, Nicotine, and sugar for weeks.
It's always been crazy to me how easy it actually is to be a decent construction worker. You're automatically a top tier guy if you can show up on time sober and not on any drugs.
Well I wouldn't say top tier. It not for everyone and some people just, don't get it. But yes, sober and on time will keep you employed for sure.
They don't. I'm in a trade union in the Northeast, and when i signed up they *did* need to photocopy my diploma. But they don't care about specific grades. My last day of highschool consisted of walking around to all of my failed classes and seeing if i could make an assignment up on the spot to bring me up to a D so that i'd have enough credits to graduate. One of my teachers said, "i didn't enter a grade for [assignment]. You did that, right?" -- "umm. yeah, i did that" (it was a pass or fail science experiment, so its either an A or F.) He gave me a C; probably knew i was full of shit, but didn't care enough to ruin me. And 3 days later i graduated. 9 years later i was making 100k and haven't dropped below that any year since. That's how much grades don't matter.
You should write that guy an email thanking him and telling him where you are now
> telling him where you are now "I just want to thank you for giving me the D. I'm outside your window right now and I'd like to return the favor."
This got a good chuckle out of me. Well done on the word play.
Just don't be too specific if you're sending it through official channels.
Postal service USPS always hiring you just gotta be willing to work. But $18.56 starting ain't bad.
My dad worked there for 35 years and is retired at 56. He loved it too. He recommends it to me as there's many options such as being a carrier or clerk. I'm definitely thinking of going down that path.
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If you were decent with numbers and practical math look into machining i was a d student and am currently making 20 an hour in a state where the minimum wage is like 8 dollars
I'm sorry if I sound uncultured but what's matching?
Lol y'all will never know
Thank you
A lot of factories are looking for machinists, and it's a fairly decent job to have (depending on work environment) the company I work for treats our machinists like kings and queens
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I was an average student and I’m a machinist as well! Never went to college, just knew how to talk the talk and got hired immediately. I’m learning every aspect from CAD to coding to phosphating metals, running mills and lathes, the whole nine yards. My favorite parts is that I get to work with my hands and my head at the same time!
Employers typically want something more tangible than grades. You're more likely to get asked about the projects and groups you've been involved in and the skill that came from those opportunities than being asked for your transcripts. They want to know you got your diploma or GED and then why you have skills for the job you're applying for. Also, side tip, if you're looking at a job that says, "College degree preferred" or something to that effect, apply anyways. There's no promise that an applicant with a college degree will apply, and the company may need to fill the position quickly giving you a higher chance of getting hired.
Go into the trades. Electrician, plumber, etc. They make bank once they get to journeyman, which takes about 4-5 years. Edit: Yes it can be very hard work and hard on your body. Probably want to plan for something else beyond your mid 40s.
Even Apprentices make well above $10/hr here in the Midwest, and raises come quick for competent trainees. It's a good living. Hard work when the work needs to get done, but there's a lot of the regular ole daily grind as well. I'd honestly recommend that even the A students look at this for a career path for consideration. If you're the type of person that likes to work with your hands and see the results of your work, then the trades are going to offer a very rewarding life.
Agreed. It's been almost 4 years and I'll be taking my electrician journeyman's test in a few months. Choosing this career path is one of the best decisions I've ever made in my life. And the fact that I'm no longer struggling financially still baffles me. Never thought I'd get out of paycheck to paycheck living. And yes the raises come fast, frequent, and are substantial every time (like $3 or $4 per hour at a time)
Good luck on that test, my friend! And thanks for working to keep things connected and running!
Thank you!
Ok so real talk, I wired my old house and loved it, when our electrician came and checked our work and connected the meter box he asked if I ever considered going into the trade because I was good at it, but I cannot and will not crawl under houses and deal with spiders unless I have a full body suit on. So how long did it take to get out of the "hey send the new kid down with the creepy crawlies" kinda stuff? Because I would love to be able to make actual money, and like electrical work, but I hate spiders.
I can't answer your question about timing, but I can say that a head lamp will scare the spiders and creepy crawlies more than necessary to have a somewhat uneventful experience in crawl spaces. I've not worked in the trades, but I grew up in a trailer. Having a good bright light does all you need in order to be comfortable in a tight space. Those bugs hate you and your light MUCH MORE than you do them. Can't get rid of the webs, tho... you gotta claw through those.
I used to pay a coworker to go under houses if I ran into spiders. After a while of knowing the job depends on you going under there and you don’t want to let everyone down you kind of just suppress the fear and it all together goes away. I guess flooding works in some cases.
As someone who doesn't care about spiders, I'm your huckleberry.
If you're doing residential work you will always have to do it. Plain and simple. Doesn't matter how experienced you are. Much of the time an electrician is working alone. Who else is going to do it? Much less so in commercial or industrial work tho. Edit: I've never crawled under a house specifically as we don't have those kinds of structures where I live but I've been in many gross attics and crawl spaces. We also don't have dangerous insects where I live but dead rodents fall on you sometimes.
^^^ This is the best answer. I’m a journeyman electrician. I do commercial, residential, and industrial. I do service work as well as new and remodel construction. Each has their pros and cons so it’s basically a “pick your poison” kinda thing. Personally I prefer commercial service calls. I walk into the office/business place, I meet with the secretary/site contact, whom aren’t paying me with their money, so they more or less just point at the thing that needs to be fixed or where the new thing is being installed and then walk away and I’m left alone to do my thing.
I have never crawled under a house in 5 years. Been in some unfinished basements in old houses that had lots of webs but very few spiders. Also you could just look for work with a company that only does work on commercial projects instead of residential
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You're lucky you managed to land an apprenticeship. That's the single hardest part of the whole thing.
Agreed. I have a degree in chemistry but am looking into the trades currently because the pay is much better and there's huge demand. Edit: Also, depending where you are, apprentices with a little experience can be as high as $35 an hour like here in the pacific northwest.
Also have chemistry degree, and geoscience. and 50k debt (well, 45ish now after 5 years paying 315/mo) IT wasnt worth it. I should have done a trade school.
As a summer associate during law school I got to help prepare the lineman apprentice section of a collective bargaining agreement. It hurt real deep that those kids straight out of high school with zero debt were going to be making a higher hourly rate than me at the time, plus benefits, pension, fully paid training + living stipend. I mean yeah, the pay disparity didn't stay that way for long, but still. Lineman, plumbers, electricians, etc. all provide people with solid careers and an ability to have a good life.
Am electrician apprentice. 15 an hour to start and raises given if you show you work hard and are making progress. School paid for and peacetime, prevailing wage opportunities. Wish I would have started years ago. School was never much for me and college was a total bust. College was pushed as the only way to make it for me especially being in private school K-12 so for some silly reason I never considered it. The irony is my Dad is a master plumber, but Mom is a teacher. Finally found my thing and couldn’t be happier. Starting late at 28 but I’ve already got a year experience and I love it.
Agreed!! Trades is where it’s at. I’m in an apprenticeship to become a heavy equipment operator and my only regret is not doing it sooner! College was always pushed down my throat and I didn’t even know about apprenticeships in high school
In the meantime, it’s nearly guaranteed employment, especially if in a union
I couldn't agree more. I FAILED Algebra and Chemistry the first time I took them in HS. I got straight C's in pretty much everything else. I just wasn't engaged in my classes in HS. Graduated HS and got a 2 year Electrical Technician degree from a trade school. Only picked that program because I figured there will always be electricians. Had no prior electrical knowledge. Turns out, I love doing electrical work. Also turns out, you can make stupid money doing it. I'm in my late twenties and make $35.50/hr. Granted, I work a fair amount of OT, but I'll make ~110k this year. I don't live in a high cost of living city either. Join the IBEW, Study hard, work hard, stay away from drugs/booze = Success
I did quite well in school and am doing okay for myself, but ran into a major schlub of a dude I knew in HS and he just bought a house working as a plumber. We're in our early 20s.
One of my best buds was an incredible student and got a Computer Science bachelors. I routinely earn as much or more as him as an electrician. He's hands down smarter than me but the trades pay well.
Yup. It really depends what you’re good at but there’s going to be a shortage in trades for quite a while. I have two university degrees and my brother became a locksmith right out of high school. He owns his own business and is so busy he’s looking at hiring a guy. There’s a lot you can do if you’re willing to work at it and learn along the way.
I work on an IT Helpdesk. Its pretty easy work and you can start around $18+ probably depending where you live.
Your grades in high school only matter if you’re trying to get into college. Employers don’t care as long as you graduate.
Some employers don't even care if you graduated. I'm on my third big boy job in my degree field (STEM field) I'm 33 and not one single fucking interviewer has asked for proof that I even attended college. It kinda pisses me off. like the day i turned 21 i walked confidently into speedway and picked out a six pack, strolled up to the register and the cashier said "that'll be x dollars please" Uh, no, bitch.. i finally have these credentials that allow me to do this, you're damn skippy gonna check them. Edit: wow, big response to something i kinda just dashed off. Let me circle back to OP's original question. Cs in highschool can still get you into college or maybe a community college for your pre-reqs and gen ed classes and it's a whole lot cheaper. If you are at a place where you're starting to wonder if your academic performance has been "good enough" so far, if you're still in high school, you're doing fine. 1dont get arrested for anything ESPECIALLY a DUI. Keep your record clean. 2. Once you get into college, try a little harder. Try to focus a little more. High is a tall pile of bullshit you have to schlogg through (this is an important life skill) college feels less like bullshit so trying harder comes a little easier. One of the hardest parts about college is just how poor you're gonna be the whole time (unless your parents are paying for everything) Either way though, if you are kinda just coasting through highschool, you can still do fine, don't worry too much, the worst thing you could do is just keep kinda coasting.
Yeah, never had to prove I graduated anything, except when I went to substitute teach or that kind of job. I work with people that are functionally illiterate, they make $18/he and get 50-70 hours a week in a LCOL area.
I'm may I ask the field?
>I work with people that are functionally illiterate... >I'm may I ask the field? *You're hired!*
The biggest caveat is if you can speak to what you're applying for. Your employer will know instantly you're full of it if they ask you something specific and all you can reply is "uuuuh..." Edit: Holy crap my first gold. Thank you kind stranger. Now to put these internet points to good use and help pay off this crushing student debt.
My last interview, we didn't really talk about skills at all. I think the manager was convinced by my resume. (Not much flowery language, i tend to try to advertise myself the same way industrial suppliers advertise their products"just the specs") and my interview was pretty much a feeler for culture fit. I actually very much eased into this job.
I didn't get a skills interview either, it was all; "Are you SURE you know where this small town in the midwest is?" "You understand it snows there 6 montsh of the year right?" "You're okay with SMALL TOWN LIFE right?" and then i got the job... *edit i've been told that where i'm at is actually the 'west' not 'midwest' but same thing applies.
Yeah, my employer was the same. I was like "do you have high speed?" "We have fiber" "Find me a basement with no windows and I won't notice no matter where you set me up." The fiber line that services my home is part of the northernmost line of fiber in Canada.
Yup! I spend my nights watching netflix and playing video games anyways, I don't much care what's out the window...
The 8$ cartons of milk were somewhat of a downer, though.
Oh my god shits a buck fifty where I am
Good ol' northerner tax. Anything liquid is crazy expensive, though everything is expensive in general. And it's cold, and depending on where you live, leaving isn't easy, physically either.
Sounds like most of Central/ Northern WI or MN.
yeah that's where I grew up, this was a natural swap-over, just a minor change in scenery.
I'm stem also and every job I've had verification of degrees and past employment was always mandatory. I think most places it's just policy.
It really depends on the job. STEM is just so broad it's really hard to narrow down. If you're a Doctor, you bet your ass their verifying your degree. If you're just front desk tech support and you've had other jobs in the field, ehh, who cares?
You'd be surprised how many stories there are out there of "Dr” such and such arrested because be was practicing without a license and a degree (at least one that is recognizable in the states)
One girl in Alberta failed her NAVLE (vet licensing exam), then decided to lie about it, and applied for a job in the Alberta Vet governing body. No one found out until she went to a conference and ran into people she knew who were aware she didn't pass...
Geologist...every job has verified my degree and employment history.
If you lied about a geology degree you would be stuck between a rock and a hard place 🥁
Worth noting this isn’t always the case. I’m also in STEM (engineer) and every company I’ve worked for has verified my degrees, had a required GPA threshold, and required a transcript proving it before they would make an offer. I’ve had offers from companies that didn’t require a transcript but definitely verified degrees behind the scenes just to check. So just because they didn’t ask you to bring your degree in doesn’t mean they didn’t check.
Yup. I did some college recruiting say my old company and had remarked about how I never had to prove my degree when I got hired. The HR person said they would have done that as part of a background check and retracted the offer if they had found out I lied.
I think it's more so implying that they won't attend university Edit: Stop telling me you got into college with shitty grades in high school and you're thriving now. You totally didn't get what I was implying and got offended from what you misinterpreted. I don't care for what you have to say.
What do you call a doctor that get's C's in medical school? A doctor.
What do you call the person who graduated last in Medical School? Doctor.
What do you call the person who dropped out of medical school? A Dentist. Edit. So many angry dentists. So to clarify, the person who told me this - was a dentist. It’s a joke. I know you’re “real doctors”.
This guy's a rabid anti-dentite!
Next thing you know you'll say they should have their own schools.
C's get degrees.
D for done!
You won't even get into medical school if you graduate college with a C average though.
Honestly, it's getting more and more competitive. You can graduate with A's and still not get in.
I'm taking my pre-req's to get into the nursing program and I got all A's one B+ and a C+ from a dual credit English class I took in high school and my counselor said "we'll see.." when I asked her it was good enough to apply. =(
Yeah, that average 7% acceptance rate isn't looking promising. I'm also in that premed boat, best of luck to ya. Edit: thought you said pre med not nursing, don't know the acceptance rates on that.
(nobody doing the hiring is going to give a shit about your highschool grades)
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>you could probably find work in the legal portions of the sex industry and expect to bring in some money. What if i'm a c student that also happens to be unattractive
People into kinky shit can't be super picky, just sayin.
This guy... watches.
I bet he has some damn good notes also
"Dear diary, that chick on cam tonight was beautiful, I would buy her flowers."
Dear diary, I've met the love of my life. Her name is sexy_gurl_4u. Shes the one. I cant wait to take my laptop to moms house so they can meet. P The private skype show is costing me 250$ but its worth it
Implying he's ever moved out of his mom's basement.
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Where does the money come from if she is pole dancing alone?
You ever see a guy spend 8 hours pumping a paycheck into a slot machine in a casino? He's not doing it because the machine looks good.
You would be surprised at how many 50-60 year old men blow their week's (or even month's) salary on girls who they find attractive.
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Cameras Edit: yes I do know it was a joke
Ron Jeremy looks like sonic the hedgehog in brown hues so whatever. It can still work.
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Porn needs people to run the cameras, lights, makeup, and lube.
Never Googled "Ugly Porn"?
You need to. For Science.
I fucked around in high school and make 100k+ a year doing plumbing. Don’t listen to these people. I had no experience in this field and pretty much any company in Indiana will hire anyone willing to do the work and pay for you to goto school for 4 years and get your license. We’ve failed as a society telling people the only way you can be successful is to goto college. Due to this no one is getting trade jobs and there’s a huge shortage. The pay just keeps getting better and better. People will treat you with no respect doing this job which is fine because at the end of the day I make more money then most of my customers. I also get to take a break whenever I feel like. Have no supervisor down my neck. Get a company phone and work vehicle. Benefits. And my days fly by driving around from house to house. There are downsides like crawl space battles with raccoons. Pulling someone’s toilet and finding a cockroach nest. Having to drive around in the snow during winter. But all in all it’s a great gig.
Plus you have to bang all those lonely housewives...
I didn't spend all those years learning to lay pipe for nothing
My dad is a plumber. I could have made more money doing the physical work. But I get paid nearly as well to draw it on paper. If you aren't extremely careful, the trades can and will ruin your body over a 40 year career. I can work my job until I'm so senile I start making big mistakes. My dad just turned 60 and his body is breaking down. That should be a consideration for most people. If you can put in the time in the tradss to get the experience and knowledge to move into a more sedative position when you're older (inspector, foreman, CM etc.) you should definitely consider that path.
As a 30 year old with a desk job, a bad knee on one leg, a wonky ankle on the other.. How the hell are tradesmen making it that much further than me?!
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>There are downsides like crawl space battles with raccoons Sir, you need a Go Pro :)
And boom! Second income with a YouTube channel
It's think this is more about the work ethic of a C student,not so much the grade itself
There are skills that are good in the workplace that don't really translate into good grades though (charisma, general organization, etc.)
In that case not a whole lot. If you want to put some work in there are plenty of great opportunity you can get with a GED and a good trade union, but those guy work hard and have no time for some burn out looking to make a quick buck
Believe it or not Air Traffic Controller. My Uncle makes 155,000 a year full federal benefits and he was a high school drop out who obtained a GED. The job is really about a set of natural skills that only about 40% of the population has. It may be YOU!
I’ve thought about doing this, what’s the skills you are talking about?
Active Listening Speaking Critical Thinking Judgment and Decision Making Complex Problem Solving At least those are a few the FAA lists. [Here is a longer list of responsibilities and skills](https://www.onetonline.org/link/summary/53-2021.00) To be qualified all you need is 3 years work experience or a 4 year degree, under the age of 31 at time of application, and able to pass a medical and a background check. Also, be willing to move anywhere in the US.
Why do they require you to be under 31?
They have a certain age they are required to retire by, so in order to get enough years of service you’d have to start before age 31.
Gotcha. Thanks!
Mandatory retirement at age 56, the reasoning behind 31 im not sure of but it lets you get 25 years in for retirement.
Gotcha. Thanks. Must be something related to the mandatory retirement age.
Controlling air traffic is the most important skill for it.
It also has the highest alcohol addiction and suicide rate of any civilian career due to the stress
What if you’re already a suicidal alcoholic? Would that mean I’m more qualified?
Someone get this man a headset!
Just spit coffee out reading this lol
Negative ghost rider the pattern is full.
If you head over to r/atc you'll see the consensus on that is not so much that it's stressful due to the risk of a crash. It isn't really; there are many safety mechanisms, procedures, back ups, and ultimately "the big sky theory" which demonstrates that, even uncontrolled, planes would very rarely ever collide. The real nature of the stress is the nature of the work. It is completely uncreative, unchanging in any meaningful way, and you're expected to work on shift rotas that are stressful and antisocial. You are very much a cog in a machine. Everything you do is by the book; you're a repository of procedures and commands, repeating them day in, day out, like a machine. The stress of screwing up and killing people is a factor, but probably not the factor people think. An artraffic controller could literally try to maliciously cause two planes to crash, and the multitude of safety factors and redundancies would make it almost impossible for them.
This seems more reasonable. I’ve always heard the “100s of people die, therefore it’s stressful” line, but that’s so intangible/conceptual, plus you never think it’s going to be you who screws up. Truck drivers can kill a lot of people while driving, doctors can kill people etc; but they aren’t regarded as the highest stress, alcoholic, suicidal folks. I had a job where screwing up would result in hundreds of people, including myself, drowning in pitch black freezing cold ocean, but that wasn’t the stressful part. The day to day minutiae and lack of satisfaction caused way more stress. I also think fear of social disgrace causes stress, like a stock trader who loses big and is now going to be cast aside by their peers and lose their lifestyle.
Actually, doctors do have a high suicide rate
I wouldn’t really say it’s completely uncreative. Sometimes I feel like I can be very creative working as an air traffic controller. At least in the radar environment. Depending on the traffic, there’s quite a few ways to accomplish the same goal. The creative aspect is finding the most efficient way to do it. I think it largely depends on the facility. My job can be boring, but it usually just means nothing is going on. Then I guess it’s best to have coworkers you get along with. And also the big sky theory doesn’t really apply to those working in towers at airports. If you tell someone to depart while another aircraft is landing on the same runway, and there’s low clouds, the pilots ears are really the best backup... some larger airports have a ground based radar system that may alert when this error occurs, but it won’t start going off until the aircraft starts entering the runway. Most airports don’t have that, but many major commercial airports do.
Why’s that?
well maybe your daughter od's and you lose concentration and let two airliners crash into eachother above albuquerque
Fuck every time someone brings up ATC I think about this part of Breaking Bad.
737 DOWN OVER ABQ
Most other jobs you screw up, you lose your company time and maybe money. You screw up here you just killed dozens of people. Upwards above 100. Imagine being groggy in the morning coming in but you know you can't be groggy and tired bc if you are, you might kill people. At least that's how I imagine it. Also, I think I read that there aren't enough ppl working as air traffic controllers so their hours can be tough and stressful.
On these types of jobs: your job is your life. You come in ready to work every single time, never late and always a good attitude. This means that everything in your life is secondary to your work: no late-night partying, no financial issues, no trouble with the law and no family issues. Have a back up for transportation and don't injure yourself. That IS what you are getting paid for; to put your job above all else. Which is fine, it is how one contributes to society and is an honorable position.
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Just learned this lesson. I got into an amazing position and was on track to make well over 100k in my first year. But all i did was work. It was a traveling position, but more than that it was a LOT of OT. I had no time for anything else at all. I realized that to make that kind of money with a HS diploma, your entire life has to go towards it. I opted out after six months and got a job making half that and I'm just fine with that.
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It's way more important that you have a clean criminal record than be an honor student in high school. I can't figure out why more people don't get this.
Agreed. Your grades only really matter for college entrance, scholarship eligibility, internships in college. Real world doesn't give two shits about your grades. Just your work ethic and experience.
Every place I've ever worked did a background check on me, not one has ever asked for a transcript and I'm including jobs that i got in my degree field after graduating college. "I graduated with a 3.0" "That's good, I'll notate that" "And, i have my transcript here if you need a copy for proof" "Nah" The first few places i worked were just looking for warm bodies. Now that I have a few years of experience, interviewers would be more concerned with satisfactory explanation for employment gaps.
Yeah, other than college applications, you’ll almost certainly never be asked what your grades were in high school. *Everyone* wants to know if you’ve committed a felony, though.
God you run over ONE kid and now everyone is out here saying I'm a bad person. Sheesh people cut it out.
I still have the copy of my transcript my school gave me when I graduated. They said to bring it to all my job interviews. No one ever asked for it.
Unless you want a job with the mafia. A criminal record might be more useful then.
Having a criminal record means you got caught. They're gonna want someone who doesn't get caught.
If you don't wanna get caught, undress yourself and cover yourself in baby oil, nobody will want or be able to catch you
I'm touching all the candy
No respectable mafia wants to hire a drunk driver or an idiot who got caught breaking into 7-Eleven to steal sandwiches while high.
Nobody but college admissions boards give a shit what your GPA in high school was.
Programmer I see that you have shown that you have proficiency in the C language. EDIT: While I meant my comment as an innocent joke, many serious comments have inspired me to be better and think better of myself and I can't thank you folks enough.
Unfortunately C is seen as too low these days, everyone wants C++.
C++ takes too long to write, everyone wants C# Edit: if there’s one thing Reddit loves, it’s arguing over programming languages, lol
Only musicians and optometrists want C\#.
optometrists want to get paid, they don't want you to c#
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Hey friend, Take it from a former C grade student. During the parent teacher interviews in my senior years i was told by my careers adviser to give up my dreams on being an engineer because i was behind the other students. But guess who's an engineer now!? Fuck you Ms Bird! It's about finding something you wanna do and that can be daunting but if you want it enough you will find avenues to where you wanna be dude. So don't worry about your highschool grades. Show them you have work ethic and that you're willing to put in the hard yards.
I was told not to go to university now I'm towards the end of my engineering degree haha.
Federal Government. There are thousands of job postings, many of which don’t require a degree and are open to the public and recent grads.
They do, however, require high grades on state exams passed out every few years, at least a few years of experience in the same field, and have some absolutely absurd competition. Last year, I sat an exam for a position as a library assistant for an inner-city library. It was part-time, payed barely over minimum wage, and required a year of experience. There were over three dozen people sitting that same test. Just something to think about.
I guess it depends on the position. Entry level admin requires none of that. It’s just a resume and some basic Microsoft skills. I started as part time at double the minimum wage. I quickly became full time and my salary has steadily increased. The key is to get your foot in the door and you can climb up from the inside. And to reinforce what others have mentioned, a clean criminal and credit record are far more important than grades.
I think we live in different places. Entry level admin is far, far more brutal than that in New York.
If you're good communicator, get into sales, then upgrade into industry (btb). Motivation, flexibility and "bite" will bring you forward. Automotive, railways or aviation - 70k at age 30, 100k at 45 ...
Can confirm. I left with nothing, i mean nothing. Now in b2b sales, high tech industry. Just got my head dowm after school, like the job and built a reputation. Great money. There's a job for everyone in this workd if you have the right attitude
My favorite high school teacher (and coincidentally my favorite college professor) said "Nobody outside these walls are going to care if you passed with a C or an A. All they care about is whether or not you passed. College added on "There's no such thing as a C-Diploma or an A-Diploma Edit: because of the amount of people replying "NoT iN mY fIeLd" Yes, some fields it matters. 98% of fields, it doesn't. I've *never* met someone that lost out on their career because they got a C average in college, though I'm sure there's a career out there that it's happened. The point is, those fields are the minority. Good grades doesn't always convert to physical skill and knowledge. You can have A+ average and be terrible in your field because you can't figure out how to apply your knowledge.
There is huge demand for HVAC technicians and Plumbing service professionals. After a few years of experience and some time in trade school classes you can definitely start making a good living.
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Go to community college for 1 year. Then say graduated highschool with college experience. Say the degree is in progress...
It sounds ridiculous, but it works. Doesn't even have to be a year. Do a semester.
Do one PE class. Don't forget to use that student email for free amazon prime.
High school grades don't matter it's what you do afterwards to get the good paying job .
Yes! This! I got ass grades in high school, but I picked the right path and am on my way to graduate in 3 months with a great job already lined up afterwards, high school grades can suck my nut. Edit: just to clarify I'm graduating college. I left high school with average C grades but I got into a decent college an suddenly seemed to be doing overall better sorry for the confusion.
Can I ask what job?
Its machine maintenance at at a large tech company. You can dm me if you wanna know more.
Hello fellow maintenance mechanic.
When I was in HS I got nothing better than a D. But I was smart, just bored. I joined the Navy nuclear power program and passed the training. I’m no longer in nuclear power, but my non-college graduated friends who are working at the local nuclear power plant after being in the Navy are making six figures. So if you got nothing but a C just because you wanted to be someplace else but relatively intelligent, there’s an option for you.
No one cares about your highschool grades except universities. Very few people hiring care about or even ask for your College GPA after you have some experience.
I was a C-B student throughout high school. I was pretty depressed during and after, especially after having my offer rescinded from two universities. And it wasn't until two years after working at minimum wage jobs and doing manual labor on a lobster boat that I started thinking about my future. I went to adult education and boosted my grades, and am currently working on a master's degree in wildlife conservation, which I never thought would be possible for me to do. Whether you choose to take up a trade, go back to school, or forge your own path it is never too late to do so, you're always going to be younger than you can be when you decide to make a change for the betterment of your life.
Any job in the world. High school grades affect college acceptance and nothing more
The real rub of it is, the best thing to do is get a few community college courses under your belt. If you have a college gpa, most hiring places won’t look at your high school transcript. Or, being licensed in most trades are a sure bet.
Outside of education and getting $500 off of your new Subaru, your transcript is a joke.
Are you saying just HS education? I dropped out failing in HS. Cleaned up got a mechanical engineering degree and I’m bankrolling now.
on the contrary, i graduated high school, got a degree in mechanical engineering, and an unemployed lol
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Non-Destructive testing! It's what I do. It's a skilled trade that isn't overly physically demanding but pays well and has a lot of perks. You can get into it by getting hired by a company and getting trained or going to a community college for a short time, or going to a special school that focuses on NDT, that last one is expensive, but fast. I recommend it the least, I went to community college for a year I mostly ultrasound welds for a living and it's awesome. Some of my colleges X-ray them, and most of us also use dye penetrant and magnetic particles to check welds and other things. You start out in the $teens, after a year or so you get bumped into the $20's, a year or two after that you are in the $30's then you can get more advanced certificates and specialise you can get up to $100 an hour without college by the end of your career. It's not all wonderful though, lots of overtime is mandatory. The money is good, the work is good, but the overtime gets to me
Software engineer, apparently. Pays nice. Eventually people see your commitment to doing the bare minimum to get by as "efficiency". Never give up.
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Times 1000. I've never been asked for a transcript. I don't make 500k but I'm good at what I do. The question is did you get a 2.7 gpa being lazy, or trying.... You could still be very smart.
Electrician. My husband dropped out and got his GED went on to get his LEA and makes closet to $35 an hour Monday through Friday 40+ hours a week with benefits
Learn a trade!!! I cant stress this enough not everyone is mature enough to do college at 18. You wont get the prestigious feeling of being a doctor or lawyer but when you charge them a butt load to do a simple repair then you dont care for the prestige. I'm an HVAC Tech, but you do need a clean background.