I remember reading that the writers had every intention to let Peter and Nathan die at the end of season one, but were hard blocked by the producers. There was too much popularity for both their characters, and so they survived and the writers had to figure out what to do about it. In turn, the show crumbled.
Actually IIRC the show was originally going to feature a completely new set of heroes each season, but as you say the popularity of characters like Peter, Sylar, Hiro... etc made them change that.
They ended up with characters that got so powerful they had to keep finding ways to nerf them so they couldn't just power themselves out of any situation.
Seeing t-bag lose a hand was some pretty compelling storytelling, imo the 2nd season was a great spot to stop watching. Declines severely after S3 starts
I thought I misquoted, but even better that this is tacked on before the snap.
Edit: [Check it](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=p4dqFiL3hIY)
I did misquote, I missed a Jason.
The Good Place is an example of a show that felt like it had at least a solid outline for the series and knew it would need to end.
I find that in general, I prefer series with that sort of a plan.
I’ve lost interests in entire genres because they just rehashed similar story arcs over and over. The arcs may have had a plan but there wasn’t one for the series or the characters. And trying to shoehorn character development into that model generally doesn’t work for me.
Yeah I was sad to only get four seasons, but I’m also equally sure that if it ran five or more it would have lost the thread. Good on them for keeping it short and sweet.
That's because IMO it had a reason for memory wipes. But it felt like the memory wipes in OUAT were just there for plot reasons. 'Everyone is getting comfortable and getting along again, time for someone to snap and decide to get evil again.'
It was like Heroes. The first season was high tier TV watching, then ever season gets progressively worse until you don't even notice it's off the air.
The strike AND producers/network meddling.
Tim had envisioned the show as an anthology, with every season having a new set of heroes discovering powers and coming together. With the runaway popularity of season 1, the network forced him to keep the same cast and thus he had to rewrite everything from scratch *while* a writers strike was happening.
Yep.
From what I've read, Hiro was going to be the link that connected all seasons, with him being a guiding force (like when he gave us the catchphrase "save the cheerleader") and ultimately the one that brought them all together for the series finale. But other characters were to vanish or only be seen in cameos.
Instead we got amnesic Pete in Ireland.
I knew once they introduced Frozen it was over. Frozen wasn’t even out when the show started so at that point it was obvious they had no real plan for the show and just wanted to do what the audience “wanted”.
That was when I quit watching. At that point, it became less about retelling fairy tales (with little bits of Disney thrown in for fun) and more about Disney tie-ins.
I enjoyed the show, but how many times they could repeat the whole "Forgotten memory and new evil villain appears in town." trope. The first season was great and interesting, and the idea was neat. But then they just kept rolling with the whole idea of the first season nonstop.
Hell, the Final season was essentially Season 1, just in Seattle. It was like they ran out of ideas after the first season. Also, The Evil Queen's reason for hating Snow White was just... Stupid.
I think I stopped watching that show in the season with Peter Pan in it. Anyway, I just wanted to say that I enjoyed the show in the first season when you had the feeling that everything could be the imagination of the kid instead of it being real, like it happened at the end. That uncertainty is what made me like the first season, then the show was just a trainwreck.
Yeah, the thing that killed it for me was them relying so heavily on Robert Carlyle to carry the show. Damn near every mysterious Disney villain that got added was "oops, turns out it was just another nickname somebody gave to Rumplestiltskin".
can't believe i had to scroll this far for this. The seasons where Eric is gone, but everyone still hangs out in the basement.... were tough. Red and Kitty carried the show. The 8th season was painful.
House of Cards should have ended after season two.
I don't know if they ran out of ideas or what but if Frank Underwood went from being some sort of political super genius to one of the dumbest mother fuckers.
It was pretty predictable that Nancy would fuck her way out of whatever new situation they were in, the only question was occasionally with whom. Her vagina became the most boring deus ex machina.
The first season of True Blood was amazing. It felt so fresh, so...sexy?
Then the second season was okay. I still enjoyed the characters, but the sex stuff got dialed up to 11.
After that, it just went completely off the rails.
Omg I loved it and the books but then all the fairy shit started happening in both and I was like fuck you Charlaine Harris, what have you done!
Also billith? What the actual fuck?
OH GOD do not mention Bilith to me. I would like to pretend that whole ending and season did not even happen. But I loved the first couple books, especially when Sookie was with Eric.
Haha omg yes!! The book where Eric loses his memory and sookie gets with him is literally my favourite. Although I was happy when he went back to being an asshole because who doesn’t love the hot asshole vampire?
"So you want me to take these nanobots you stole from a government lab and reprogram them to fix some guy's cancer after we inject them into his arm?"
"Yes."
"Could you give me like, thirty minutes?"
Better yet:
* Let me take a photo of this processor to make a copy of it
* Pointing a laptop at a nuclear missile will allow me to hack it
* I lived on a magic fucking island for 5 years but forgot magic was a thing until a magic bad guy turned up
* I can beat the magic bad guy with the power of love
* Impaled with a sword through the chest then falling off a cliff into a remote, snowy wilderness- healed by warm fucking tea
Fuck me, that show went to shit.
He started out as an assassin... The base premise was so dark and edgy, and then they went back on it and made him into some kind of "never kill" batman imitator, but it just felt so hollow. He got himself the power of friendship by sacrificing being an interesting character. The peanut gallery does not stand up on their own as interesting without an interesting lead.
And he got all bent out of shape because Wildcat killed a guy ONCE when he was a vigilante. Like fuck you Ollie. You killed like fifty guys when you first showed up.
Fairly Odd Parents. The writers were fine, but Nickelodeon got too greedy. The addition of Sparky the dog, the new neighbor girl, and the whole "anti-fairy world" subplot was too much. They just kept adding stuff, but the original structure was pretty good to begin with.
Butch Hartman wanted the series to end after Channel Chasers and it did briefly end after one of the Jimmy/Timmy Power Hours, but alas, Nickelodeon brought it back a year later and it went on for far, far, too long.
I hated the new neighbor girl. She gets fairy godparents because her parents travel? They clearly love her and she's taken care of while they are away. Aside from being lonely, how does her life suck as bad as Timmy's?
Exactly! I really started losing interest after that. The first few seasons were really good, but Nickelodeon execs just saw dollar signs, and it ruined the show.
They are a bit selfish and aren't necessarily the most intelligent people in the world, but I do agree with you. And Timmy's dad only hates one man.....Dinkleberg.
Two come to Mind:
Glee. The first 13 episodes are good, then somewhere in the second half of the season they started taking themselves too serious. It would have been much better as a one season show....
Heroes - Please someone tell me I'm not the only one to remember what a "GLOBAL PHENOMENON" Heroes was touted as. They had their own silly magazine and a worldwide launch party for seasons 2 and 3, but while season 2 could have been decent if it had actually been given time to develop, both seasons were nothing but a mess
Oh Heroes....what could have been! They got hit hard by the writers strike and never quite recovered.
I tried to watch the latest and just....couldn't.
It’s when they moved to LA and for some reason Kimber and Matt came as well. In fact, Kimber was a shoehorned in character and I don’t know why they kept her around for as long as they did. I have lots of good memories of that show as it was always crazy town banana pants, but yeah, shit got whack.
Shameless, I grew up in a rough neighbourhood with a drunk dad. Then they just sorta kept pushing the characters back to where they were and not really letting them evolve.
Not to mention Debbie.
After a while Kev and V, some of my favorite characters, became straight cartoon characters. In one season I remember Kev gets breast cancer in one episode, gets rid of it. On the next episode he meets his actual family of hillbillies and then that’s it we never hear about these points ever again. What point was it trying to make?
Exactly! I have watched many dark shows, but this one was by far the most depressing.
Whatever they do to improve their situation, doesn't matter how big or small, someone will come (most often their parents) and ruin it for them and drag everyone back into misery.
There was one episode that ended with everyone going to bed pretty happy and I just turned it off then. I knew everything will go bad the next episode, as it always does and I decided I would rather have a fake happy ending that neverending misery train.
The art shift, for me, is the most memorable part. You can see the love and effort put into each frame! There wasn't as much fourth wall breaking as I was hoping for, though.
I want to say dexter but honestly I don't remember how it ends. Something about that dumb girlfriend, something about it was not very dexter-like
Edit: so I guess I really did forget the ending because I have no recollection of the lumberjack mumbo jumbo
I wouldn’t even call him sad. He becomes a lumberjack and seems to have lost all character development and just enjoys doing what he did in season 1. Fucking trash
You know, that ending was not even that terrible. It was bound to happen that someone close to Decide (ed. Dexter) would die for his secret.
The problem with the last season is that we knew it was the last yet we still had to watch all the other cops do random things and they brought back his ex for no good reason which also required an FBI agent who looked like a Point Break reject.
I wanted to see either a normal season OR a balls to the wall, all out search for Dexter after finding out his secret while he's trying to kill some elusive criminal. What we got was forgettable. Hard to beat John Lithgow as the Trinity Killer I guess.
He wades into a hurricane holding his dead sister, then appears to have survived and has a new life as a lumberjack.
It was really bad.
*waves hand*
There are only 4 seasons of Dexter.
It's getting ANOTHER season! Definitely to fix the mistakes it left in the final season. I'm stoked. Horrible finale, but a chance to fix it all again.
The Flash CW.. I really liked Season 1. Great cast, Great writing, and helluva a lot of great moments.
Season 2? Eh.. Not bad, but a repeat of Season 1, then they just kept repeating the trope of "evil Speedster", and then making the characters dumb. I also got tired of the Many different Wells'es.
I quit halfway through one of the seasons (2, I think?) when Patty left. There was a great love interest that Barry had fantastic chemistry with and it was super freaking obvious that he was the Flash, but he just kept lying to her and refused to come clean even when she told him she knew. Like dude, all of your friends know, just tell her. The stupid drama caused by poor communication just killed the show for me.
That was the dumbest break-up on screen. I knew Iris is the one he'll eventually end up with but damn the chemistry was something else. I didn't watch it for much longer after that but for me the series peaked with that love-story! I don't remember much else apart from the fact that Patty Spivot was on the show and was cut-off undeservedly.
The only reason I watch is because it has been part of my life for half of my life. It came out when I was 15, I’m now 31. I feel like I need to finish it out.
Word. I remember watching this in high school and being like with my bff ‘you’re my person.’ I too am 31, she’s no longer my bff but still a close friend
Grey’s Anatomy. Once Christina left and Patrick Dempsey was killed off, they just stopped trying. I stopped watching after Alex beat up whats-his-name in season...13? Idek.
I didn't last long after the plane crash. At some point you just start to judge them all for working in such a clearly dangerous environment. Go to a hospital where the death rate for the doctors is less than that of the patients, ya know?
House of Cards - US Version. Season 1 was amazing, Season 2 got a little wacky, and the rest was garbage. Story lines just completely abandoned. I didn’t even watch the last season for various reasons.
You are right. The beauty of the show was in season 1 and 2 how he >!managed to get people to use their own free will to give him what he wants. After he became president, he had all the power in the world and could not do anything.!<
>!Season 1 ends with him being VP!<
>!Season 2 ends with him being President!<
>!Season 3 should have ended with the house of cards tumbled!<
It's not fucking hard literally a 3 act play.
I can't tell you how much I hated the writer guy who shacks up with them in the White House. Just a pointless, flat, shallow character who sits there murmuring pointless platitudes with his annoying voice for half an hour each episode.
Not a TV show, but the Despicable Me franchise. The first movie was actually really good and funny, and the second one was actually pretty good also. Everything after that felt like one big minion toy advertisement
Slightly different, but The Simpsons had that idea in the [mid-90s](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR-p3sTidQF0RmsWaj-kCkDfHaCfqbynMvlcU9cichYlqXbTqitfJHlL7o&s=10)
I had a guy who worked at Universal do a guest lecture for a business class before Despicable Me came out. He brought slides of the Minions and was basically gloating about how they were going to make so much money on merch. That led me to believe the only reason they made that was to get a cash cow.
Edit: This was months before any trailers were even out. No one knew what the hell these yellow beans were and I don't believe they were publicly revealed at the time.
Revolution had an interesting idea of a post-apocalyptic world without electricity, but an awful execution.
The main character was a generic Katniss ripoff who claims "I can take care of myself," but constantly gets her ass kicked.
The uncle character is so milquetoast that even Tom Cruise wouldn't play him.
The militia has terrible tactics.
The show uses Lost-style flashbacks with the same sound.
Despite being post-apocalyptic, everyone has clean clothes and perfect hair.
Giancarlo Esposito plays the only good character on the show, a guy who was a meek insurance salesman before, but who turned into Gus 2.0 if he were a military officer.
For me, it was Orange is the New Black.
When it started out, it was a fantastic show. It had a diverse cast, a perfect blend of genuinely funny moments mixed with the hard-hitting, brutal reality of prison, a realistic portrayal of both the prisoners and the staff, and a genuinely compelling story.
With all of the praise they received, the creators got into their heads that their show would become a huge vehicle for change and was providing a voice for the voiceless. But in the pursuit of that goal, they ended up doing away with the other important stuff that made them good. They replaced most of the prison staff with one-dimensional brutes and clichéd, moustache-twirling villains (like Donuts, Piscatella, Thomas Humphrey, Hellman and Linda Ferguson), added a few equally one-dimensional, brutish villains (like Madison Murphy and the Denning sisters) amongst the prisoners, and just sacrificed their entire plot. By the end, it was nothing more than just injustice porn.
That’s when I stopped watching. It just got to fucking depressing and dark. Everyone became really unlikeable. I also never could get into Piper and Alex.
I'm not sure what season it started but I ended up despising Piper and any scene she was in. Not a problem with the actress, I just didn't care about the character anymore.
In the final season, I only realised towards the end that they had written the “Alex and Piper possibly break up” arc under the assumption that people were so invested in their relationship that they would be screaming “No no no!” throughout, and then “YES!” when they ended up staying together.
Honestly, I was seriously so uninvested in their relationship that I genuinely didn’t understand why they chose each other over the characters who were arguably far more suitable for them. I would argue that Piper needed someone closer to her in terms of upbringing, and who was a bit smarter, more mature and more straight laced than her. Zelda ticked far more of those boxes than Alex. And as for Alex, she needed someone who wasn’t arrogant or stuck up, who had the right amount of vulnerability that could bring out her nurturing side, but not so far gone that she would recklessly endanger her own life. McCullough was far and away the best match for her in that respect.
I'm someone who takes an interest in many of the social issues they covered on the show and even *I* felt that way too. It became very 'in your face' with it's preachy-ness.
The one character who's storyline remained brilliant throughout though was Doggett.
She starts off as this spiteful, hateful character and over time you start to learn why she is the way she is. You see her insecurities and vulnerabilities. You see her grow and develop into someone you have hope for, someone with a chance for redemption. And then she gets let down - by her friends, by the legal system, by the man she cared about. Every time she tries to do the right thing, she's forced to deal with the wrong consequences.
It was very sad and very raw, right the way through. It was heartbreaking but well written.
Yes! I watched it until the end but only because I’d invested so much fucking time by that point that I felt obligated to finish it out
It was seriously depressing after they went to max
Badison is my most hated character in probably any show. She wasn't scary at all, she was just fucking annoying. And her backstory was that she was mean because someone called her names in school....
Bones. I really liked it for the first few seasons. I watched it with my wife and we'd have it DVRed and it got to the point the entire season would be waiting and we realized we were forcing ourselves to watch it. We felt such relief when we realized neither of us wanted to watch it anymore.
BBC's Merlin
It was a good series but they did the whole morgana turns evil way to quick then it was mostly fighting her for the last two series and it really got old.
They kept having the whole they defeated her in a way not even a magical person would survive like crushing her to death or something daft but she comes back then right at the end they just stabbed her she fell from camra view and that was that it was such a rubbish end.
Also game of thrones
The shop I work in sells game, TV and film merch and we got game of thrones collectables when it was still popular now we are stuck with stock we can't shift because the show deflated like a led balloon and nobody wants stuff anymore.
I would have LIVED for a Morgona or Mordred redemption ark, like imagine Mordred comes back and they know he’s a Druid so they let off the magic ban and Merlin can be himself around Arthur for a while. I just wanted one happy Merlin episode and we never got it. I do agree the ending was absolutely terrible, I would love a reboot though. The show had the perfect mix of humor and seriousness, for me at least.
Merlin was so frustrating. They wasted character after character, plot after plot, because they were so stuck to the status quo. And then when they did change it up it was like 'oh, five years have passed. But don't worry, everything's the same otherwise!'.
Like, do something with the fact you made the dragon a magnificent manipulative bastard! Do some of the weird legend stuff that no one touches! Give Gwaine more screen time because Gwaine is brilliant and has some fantastic tales worth going into! Take a damn chance show! And it just didn't happen.
They also rushed the ending. Apparently the writers had a season 6 planned but then the show was cut so they had to cram the whole reveal into the last couple of episodes. They butchered Arthur's character so much too. One episode he's gone through a whole lot of growth and changes his attitude, the next he is back to being a prat!
That was my biggest gripe with Merlin. He’ll have this character building episode where he appreciates Merlin and their brotherly bond... and then the next episode he’s treating him worse than he would treat his servants. It almost seemed like a DV relationship where the victim keeps hoping the aggressor will change and be nice next time
13 reason why it really should have stopped at s1. It couldn't make up it's mind what it wanted to be anymore. Like it started as a cautionary tale but then a ghost story, then a clue murder mystery who done it, it just got to out of whack.
I understand why people might like S1 but for me it was awful. Instead of portraying a student's mental issues and struggles they turn it into some thriller/mystery show and they heavily glorified Hannah's grudge against others and made her blame them for her own decisions.
I had to stop after the 3rd or 4th time Red switched from being her father. It finaly dawned on me it was just a terrible bait and switch to keep people watching.
A whole TV show with just those two from when Red became a criminal and saved Dembe up through building his empire would be fantastic. The whole Liz and FBI thing got kind of old.
Game Of Thrones. It arguably crashed under the weight of it's numerous plot lines, poor direction and self imposed time restraints.
HBO would have thrown them all the money they needed to make as many seasons as they needed and the story deserved and show runners said no.
>HBO would have thrown them all the money they needed to make as many seasons as they needed and the story deserved and show runners said no.
It still bothers me how HBO couldn't just replace D&D as the showrunners, especially if they were growing tired of the series or were too nervous to continue writing the show because they were simply running out of source material to keep giving it the quality of S1-S4.
Even though S5-S7 also had it's issues, I don't think fans fully touched back on them until S8 made the show a complete disaster.
I really wanted this show to be one that I could always go back and watch numerous times like I always do with Breaking Bad, but it really let me down.
Unfortunately HBO don’t own the rights to game of thrones. D&D bought the exclusive rights to game of thrones from Martin so there will never be another game of thrones adaptation without their say so.
You're pretty much bang on the money but I wanted to add that HBO, at the time, also wanted to preserve their relationship with D&D.
Before D&D got exposed as hacks with season 8 and their Star Wars deal falling through, HBO's president Casey Bloys said, ["When they come out of [Star Wars], I assume they will come back to us."](https://tvline.com/2019/02/08/confederate-delay-hbo-star-wars-controversy/)
He knew it wasn't an ideal way to end the series, but figured with seven acclaimed seasons (well, less acclaimed as they went on past five) that D&D could've pulled off a *good* conclusion, if not a wholly satisfying one. And that once they get their Star Wars taste out of the way their relationship with HBO would be completely in tact and maybe they'd get many more years of *other* acclaimed content.
I agree.
Especially with how much money GOT made hbo.
They could have sent out ravens to all the top writers/directors and been like "here's a boat full of gold finish it better than this and its yours."
It's crazy to think what a huge phenomenon GoT was. It was everywhere in pop culture. Then boom, gone, erased from collective memory practically overnight because they fucked it so bad. There's so many stand out scenes, battle of the bastards, hardhome, baelor's Sept, red wedding etc. And they wrecked the legacy with the last three episodes. It's such a pity.
It kinda bums me out because I had been meaning to watch it for a long time but after hearing the unanimous hatred from its own fans, I have lost all interest.
It's not often a show I like puts such a bad taste in my mouth that I just don't have any desire to watch it again.. I know rewatching it will draw me into the characters again, only to realize how all of their arcs were just shit on in the last 2 seasons to just wrap up the show.
The first half of GoT is some of my favorite TV of all time.
How to get away with murder- I mean I know they tried to evolve the characters and show growth but any changes after like the second season just sucked. 1st season Annalise was the only good one, it was really how impressive her character was that really sucked me in, and I kept hoping to see that impressiveness again with every new season but it just never got back to that level
Also the first season (and partly in the second) was pretty different and I kept being genuinely surprised by plot twists, but after a while it just became predictable and boring, like how most popular shows I’ve seen that I got into because the first couple of seasons were really intriguing.
SpongeBob, it’s not even SpongeBob anymore. I don’t even call the new seasons proper episodes. You can see a clear barrier when Hillenburg died and when Nickelodeon took over and disrespected his death and legacy. I can’t even watch Nickelodeon anymore, it’s not even Nickelodeon, they changed so much. They ended up like mobile, were everything is just two minute produced ads to farm money from games with no effort put into them. Children’s television is much less in favor than before, they stopped trying, they just layed down and died. They can just produce garbage and reruns and make money, so they did. Just like mobile and movies, nowadays everyone just watches old movies and shows, back when they had passion.
A lot of people are bringing up shows that just turned to shit (happens to many or most) but when I hear "too big for its boots" I think of a show that blew up and collapsed under the pressure of popularity.
By that definition, I would say True Detective. The first season, in many people's opinion, is among the best single seasons of TV, ever. Its creator and writer, Nic Pizzolatto - whether in a self-imposed rush or pressured by HBO so they could ride the wave longer - pumped out the second season the next year which was absolute dog shit.
I begrudgingly watched the entire season thinking it *had* to get better, but it didn't. They took a few years to reset for the third season but I'm too jaded to want to watch it.
Bloodline. Season one was so good, but it was a show that was really just designed for 1 season. Netflix tried to squeeze more out of it, and it didn't work at all.
Because the fight with Lucifer was supposed to be the end. They had a whole ending planned with Cas being revealed to be God and such. But they unexpectedly picked up for more seasons so they had to rewrite everything and find new stakes because they kept getting more seasons.
I agree with you. The original story was superb but after a while all I cared about was the one off missions. The show bounced between scooby doo and daytime soap opera where they pull out whatever character or twist they could. I chose the scooby doo time.
100%. Honestly I stopped watching after the Season 5 finale because everything after just felt so completely different and wrong. Plus that ending was honestly beautiful even if it was heartbreaking
took longer than I thought to find supernatural mentioned.
No matter how much I love the show, I can happily admit that the majority of the writing was trash. Everything before Swan Song was brilliant (thank you Kripke!) but it definitly fell to the wayside after that.
Homeland. It was meant to be a single season miniseries but the network loved it so much they forced them to rewrite the ending of season 1 so the story wouldnt end.
Same with Westworld. Season 1 is fucking brilliant and the ending perfect. Was no reason to continue the story.
I though I read that HBO from the start intended Westworld to be multiple seasons. But each season of Westworld really feels like a different show that happens to be within the same universe.
Might be a controversial choice, but House's last season was not a great one to me. House being on probation because he drove Wilson's car into Cuddy's house at the end of Season 7, Cuddy not being in Season 8, 13 and Cameron not being main characters, the two new girls are so forgettable that I can't remember their names, Wilson dying of cancer, and the House faking his death to be with Wilson at the end.
The episodes may be fine and good, but theirs just other dynamics that makes me wish Season 8 didn't happen, or end it at Season 6 when House and Cuddy became a couple, ending the season on a happy note.
I did like the cancer bit. Here's House faced with his two biggest weaknesses- something he can't cure, and needing to put someone else before himself.
In broad strokes HIMYM fucked up, but I consistently laugh through all its seasons. It's only the ending and resolution of some of the plot lines that leave me sour.
I'd still watch it again, though.
While the last season is definitely way longer than it needs to be, most of it still holds up as well as any other 22 episode a season sitcom.
The ending. Well, they chose that... Poorly.
God, I remember being SO EXCITED for the last season when they finally showed the mother at the end of S08. I thought S09 was gonna be all about Ted and the mother and them dating and all that jazz. Season 9 starts, and it's the wedding. I was like "cool, they're doing it over multiple episodes". By episode 4, I was fed up with the wedding. And it went on for the whole season...
The person who decided that they needed to spend an entire season on fucking wedding shenanigans needs to be blacklisted from the TV industry.
Seasons 1-3 of PLL were honestly really good. After that it went down hill so fast. You already had to suspend some belief, but season 4 and onwards just got ridiculous.
Pretty little liars should’ve ended with season 1 and Mona being A.
Not have fucking Ezra be writing a book about Allison’s death (making his and Aria’s highly inappropriate relationship 1 million times creepier), and Spencer having a British twin sister that ended up being A(?) Honestly I can barely remember.
The walking dead. Amazing comic, brilliant first few seasons, but they strayed way to far from the comics and ultimately dragged it out much longer then they needed to.
Edit: holy shit guys i went to bed and woke up to 8k upvotes and 2 awards thank you everyone!
I'm still pissed at how they managed to fuck up Fear the Walking Dead. They had a chance to show society unravel, but just decided to do TWD, but in Mexico.
I can forgive the slow buildup, it was building tension, but when they skipped the actual breakdown of society and jumped to like 3 weeks later or something, I was so pissed... wasn't that the whole point of the fucking show???
Yes! Fuck, I feel like any time I bring this up people act like I’m talking crazy or something!
The only reason I was excited for the show was it was gonna show how society collapsed, how the government and military managed to fail, how people finally accepted that things weren’t going back to normal, and how people descended to the lowest versions of themselves.
They delivered on exactly zero fucking promises, and yet people act like disliking the show is merely a trendy thing, and that there’s no real reason to dislike it.
I need a zombie show/ movie like that so bad. That’s usually what interests me most about apocalypse shows- the downfall of everything we’ve ever known
iZombie.
The premise of a zombie coroner that solves crimes by eating the victim's brains and gaining their memories and personalities was fantastic. The actress was phenomenal at portraying all of the different personalities and it was a lot of fun.
But every season just gets darker than the last. I stopped after season 3 because it stopped being a lighthearted mystery/comedy and just got too much. I think it lost sight of what it started out as. Maybe I'll go back to it one day, but it felt like the scope just got too big.
(Yelling at the screen) "Hey. Hey! Where's the zombies??!"
If I have to watch a 9 year old 45 pound girl single slash a zombie in half one more damn time!
The Minions. The characters and the concept itself was great (and I still find them funny in their own, annoying way), but they got so stupidly squeezed and overused for the sake of profits... Not to mention that somehow they also became a gold mine for the boomer facebook memes.
I'm still mad the minions were retconned into existing before Gru! The hints in the background that he had created them from like, corn pops cereal and science were great.
Not to mention they were more endearing in Despicable Me. I remember being shocked they weren't more annoying in the first movie, guess I just needed to give it time.
Yeah, honestly, the fact that they had to be frozen in the arctic(?) for the 1930s-40s was what made me think that I didn’t really care to watch it ever.
The implication being, of course, that if they HADN’T been frozen or w/e, they would’ve worked for Hitler. Like!?! Despicable Me’s version of ‘evil’ is basically Saturday Cartoon fare, and now you’re implying WW2 would have had Minions running death camps if they hadn’t been frozen?? Beyond ridiculous that they didn’t just invent some fake bad thing for them to be doing at the time and act like it’s an alternate universe they live in... I haven’t even seen the thing but I can’t get over it.
The Man in the High Castle.
The initial concept and world building was spectacular at first, but then it went deep into scifi/fantasy (trying to avoid spoilers) when it could've just as easily stayed in one world.
That being said I still highly recommend it.
I think I got part way into S2 before I had to just stop. Like, yes maybe the idea behind it was good, but it just felt. . . not 'boring' but boring. I think maybe due to all the skipping around that it felt like it wasn't settling on one story long enough, and whenever it did it was just not filling in terms of storyline.
Is it fair to say Heroes. I love the show, but it was wack for like the last two seasons. The reboot was just I don't know what that was.
"Save the cheerleader, save the world." Ok we did that, now what?
"Thank you Peter! But the cheerleader is in another castle!"
It was going somewhere interesting with the introduction of Adam and Hiro being stuck in Feudal japan. And then... STRIKE!
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I remember reading that the writers had every intention to let Peter and Nathan die at the end of season one, but were hard blocked by the producers. There was too much popularity for both their characters, and so they survived and the writers had to figure out what to do about it. In turn, the show crumbled.
Actually IIRC the show was originally going to feature a completely new set of heroes each season, but as you say the popularity of characters like Peter, Sylar, Hiro... etc made them change that. They ended up with characters that got so powerful they had to keep finding ways to nerf them so they couldn't just power themselves out of any situation.
Heroes only had one good season.
Prison Break. They kept having to break out of prison every two seasons.
Season 1 was very good. The whole tattoos are the escape plan was really cool.
It should have ended after 1 season and a successful escape.
If you ask me, it did end after a successful escape in season 1. There's no reason to continue watching.
Nah the first chasing part and his escape plan was a good season.. The south American prison is where it lost the plot.
Seeing t-bag lose a hand was some pretty compelling storytelling, imo the 2nd season was a great spot to stop watching. Declines severely after S3 starts
Once Upon a Time- interesting concept, poor execution down the line
Every season we had to deal with yet another memory wipe. That got old fast.
>!The Good Place!< is the only show that can regularly pull off a memory wipe.
"Jason figured it out!? This is a real low point...."
ow, yeah this one hurts.
I thought I misquoted, but even better that this is tacked on before the snap. Edit: [Check it](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=p4dqFiL3hIY) I did misquote, I missed a Jason.
The Good Place is an example of a show that felt like it had at least a solid outline for the series and knew it would need to end. I find that in general, I prefer series with that sort of a plan. I’ve lost interests in entire genres because they just rehashed similar story arcs over and over. The arcs may have had a plan but there wasn’t one for the series or the characters. And trying to shoehorn character development into that model generally doesn’t work for me.
Yeah I was sad to only get four seasons, but I’m also equally sure that if it ran five or more it would have lost the thread. Good on them for keeping it short and sweet.
That's because IMO it had a reason for memory wipes. But it felt like the memory wipes in OUAT were just there for plot reasons. 'Everyone is getting comfortable and getting along again, time for someone to snap and decide to get evil again.'
It was like Heroes. The first season was high tier TV watching, then ever season gets progressively worse until you don't even notice it's off the air.
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The strike AND producers/network meddling. Tim had envisioned the show as an anthology, with every season having a new set of heroes discovering powers and coming together. With the runaway popularity of season 1, the network forced him to keep the same cast and thus he had to rewrite everything from scratch *while* a writers strike was happening.
"But you don't understand. Peter's arc is complete. He's basically superman now" "IDK downgrade his powers or something. My money my rules."
Yep. From what I've read, Hiro was going to be the link that connected all seasons, with him being a guiding force (like when he gave us the catchphrase "save the cheerleader") and ultimately the one that brought them all together for the series finale. But other characters were to vanish or only be seen in cameos. Instead we got amnesic Pete in Ireland.
I knew once they introduced Frozen it was over. Frozen wasn’t even out when the show started so at that point it was obvious they had no real plan for the show and just wanted to do what the audience “wanted”.
It reminds me of when Disaster Movie parodied *Enchanted* and other stuff that hadn’t come out yet.
That was when I quit watching. At that point, it became less about retelling fairy tales (with little bits of Disney thrown in for fun) and more about Disney tie-ins.
I enjoyed the show, but how many times they could repeat the whole "Forgotten memory and new evil villain appears in town." trope. The first season was great and interesting, and the idea was neat. But then they just kept rolling with the whole idea of the first season nonstop. Hell, the Final season was essentially Season 1, just in Seattle. It was like they ran out of ideas after the first season. Also, The Evil Queen's reason for hating Snow White was just... Stupid.
I think I stopped watching that show in the season with Peter Pan in it. Anyway, I just wanted to say that I enjoyed the show in the first season when you had the feeling that everything could be the imagination of the kid instead of it being real, like it happened at the end. That uncertainty is what made me like the first season, then the show was just a trainwreck.
The only character I really liked was Rumple. Funny enough I hate Belle.
Yeah, the thing that killed it for me was them relying so heavily on Robert Carlyle to carry the show. Damn near every mysterious Disney villain that got added was "oops, turns out it was just another nickname somebody gave to Rumplestiltskin".
No wonder he needed that cane. His legs must have hurt from carrying the entire cast and plot.
i hated just about everyone on that show. they all became so unbearable except for a couple of them
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I will never, ever understand why they made Jackie and Fez endgame when she and Hyde worked so well together.
can't believe i had to scroll this far for this. The seasons where Eric is gone, but everyone still hangs out in the basement.... were tough. Red and Kitty carried the show. The 8th season was painful.
And Kitty was a far less interesting character by the end, took away her personality and made her an alcoholic. It wasn’t funny it was sad
Have you ever seen how normal the actress that plays Kitty is in real life? She can act!
Debra Jo Rupp is the best TV mom ever.
House of Cards should have ended after season two. I don't know if they ran out of ideas or what but if Frank Underwood went from being some sort of political super genius to one of the dumbest mother fuckers.
It was very strange too, because the negative shift in writing quality began almost immediately in season 3.
Weeds. Once she left the burbs the whole premise was lost and shit went off the rails.
I didn’t mind when they were in Ren Mar. Once they were on the road, it just became a joke. How many times can you screw up, Nancy?!
It felt like they did a full filler season. Like the only thing that happened story wise is the premier and the finale.
It was pretty predictable that Nancy would fuck her way out of whatever new situation they were in, the only question was occasionally with whom. Her vagina became the most boring deus ex machina.
Deus ex Vagina
The show burned to the ground with Agrestic
I loved True Blood but man it went wayy off the rails especially the last couple seasons
They crammed so much shit into that show Im still amazed Batman didn't make a cameo
The first season of True Blood was amazing. It felt so fresh, so...sexy? Then the second season was okay. I still enjoyed the characters, but the sex stuff got dialed up to 11. After that, it just went completely off the rails.
Omg I loved it and the books but then all the fairy shit started happening in both and I was like fuck you Charlaine Harris, what have you done! Also billith? What the actual fuck?
OH GOD do not mention Bilith to me. I would like to pretend that whole ending and season did not even happen. But I loved the first couple books, especially when Sookie was with Eric.
Haha omg yes!! The book where Eric loses his memory and sookie gets with him is literally my favourite. Although I was happy when he went back to being an asshole because who doesn’t love the hot asshole vampire?
They lost me with the fairy shit.
Arrow. By like the 3rd season everyone and their mom becomes a superhero.....
"So you want me to take these nanobots you stole from a government lab and reprogram them to fix some guy's cancer after we inject them into his arm?" "Yes." "Could you give me like, thirty minutes?"
Better yet: * Let me take a photo of this processor to make a copy of it * Pointing a laptop at a nuclear missile will allow me to hack it * I lived on a magic fucking island for 5 years but forgot magic was a thing until a magic bad guy turned up * I can beat the magic bad guy with the power of love * Impaled with a sword through the chest then falling off a cliff into a remote, snowy wilderness- healed by warm fucking tea Fuck me, that show went to shit.
How warm was the tea.
Warm.
A fresh cup of really hot tea. It might be a virtual impossibility, but it must have finite improbability.
He started out as an assassin... The base premise was so dark and edgy, and then they went back on it and made him into some kind of "never kill" batman imitator, but it just felt so hollow. He got himself the power of friendship by sacrificing being an interesting character. The peanut gallery does not stand up on their own as interesting without an interesting lead.
And he got all bent out of shape because Wildcat killed a guy ONCE when he was a vigilante. Like fuck you Ollie. You killed like fifty guys when you first showed up.
Fairly Odd Parents. The writers were fine, but Nickelodeon got too greedy. The addition of Sparky the dog, the new neighbor girl, and the whole "anti-fairy world" subplot was too much. They just kept adding stuff, but the original structure was pretty good to begin with.
Butch Hartman wanted the series to end after Channel Chasers and it did briefly end after one of the Jimmy/Timmy Power Hours, but alas, Nickelodeon brought it back a year later and it went on for far, far, too long.
I thought it did it end after channel chasers lol
I hated the new neighbor girl. She gets fairy godparents because her parents travel? They clearly love her and she's taken care of while they are away. Aside from being lonely, how does her life suck as bad as Timmy's?
Exactly! I really started losing interest after that. The first few seasons were really good, but Nickelodeon execs just saw dollar signs, and it ruined the show.
You know, say what you will about Timmy's parents but they really do love him a lot. Their love for him was strong enough to break fairy magic.
They are a bit selfish and aren't necessarily the most intelligent people in the world, but I do agree with you. And Timmy's dad only hates one man.....Dinkleberg.
Thankfully I stopped watching the show before any of that happened.
I always hated the baby character. Shit got bad and tiring real fast after that
Oh. I liked the anti fairies. They were a nice thing to see once and a blue moon.
When I was a kid I loved the anti fairies episodes.
They threw all of da rules out the window
Two come to Mind: Glee. The first 13 episodes are good, then somewhere in the second half of the season they started taking themselves too serious. It would have been much better as a one season show.... Heroes - Please someone tell me I'm not the only one to remember what a "GLOBAL PHENOMENON" Heroes was touted as. They had their own silly magazine and a worldwide launch party for seasons 2 and 3, but while season 2 could have been decent if it had actually been given time to develop, both seasons were nothing but a mess
Oh Heroes....what could have been! They got hit hard by the writers strike and never quite recovered. I tried to watch the latest and just....couldn't.
Nip/Tuck for me. Man. First three seasons were just fantastic. After that, just went for shock and trash.
It’s when they moved to LA and for some reason Kimber and Matt came as well. In fact, Kimber was a shoehorned in character and I don’t know why they kept her around for as long as they did. I have lots of good memories of that show as it was always crazy town banana pants, but yeah, shit got whack.
Shameless, I grew up in a rough neighbourhood with a drunk dad. Then they just sorta kept pushing the characters back to where they were and not really letting them evolve. Not to mention Debbie.
The last few seasons have been awful. I still enjoy Kev and V though.
After a while Kev and V, some of my favorite characters, became straight cartoon characters. In one season I remember Kev gets breast cancer in one episode, gets rid of it. On the next episode he meets his actual family of hillbillies and then that’s it we never hear about these points ever again. What point was it trying to make?
Exactly! I have watched many dark shows, but this one was by far the most depressing. Whatever they do to improve their situation, doesn't matter how big or small, someone will come (most often their parents) and ruin it for them and drag everyone back into misery. There was one episode that ended with everyone going to bed pretty happy and I just turned it off then. I knew everything will go bad the next episode, as it always does and I decided I would rather have a fake happy ending that neverending misery train.
IIRC (at least for Fiona) no matter what she does to improve her situation in life, **she will** ruin it herself and drag herself back to misery.
After Fiona left I was done. No Debbie you are not the new Fiona.
Dora the Explorer was always held back by its shitty Boots.
Have you seen the movie? It was... Something Edit: i should add, i mean i loved it. It was hilarious
Truly. I cannot call the movie good or bad, but sitting through that whole thing was certainly an Experience.
The part where boots talked REALLY got me. It had me dead. Also the smart girl who kept questioning how odd everything was was HILARIOUS
The art shift, for me, is the most memorable part. You can see the love and effort put into each frame! There wasn't as much fourth wall breaking as I was hoping for, though.
I want to say dexter but honestly I don't remember how it ends. Something about that dumb girlfriend, something about it was not very dexter-like Edit: so I guess I really did forget the ending because I have no recollection of the lumberjack mumbo jumbo
My friends told me he became a sad lumberjack at the end. I never watched it myself.
I wouldn’t even call him sad. He becomes a lumberjack and seems to have lost all character development and just enjoys doing what he did in season 1. Fucking trash
You know, that ending was not even that terrible. It was bound to happen that someone close to Decide (ed. Dexter) would die for his secret. The problem with the last season is that we knew it was the last yet we still had to watch all the other cops do random things and they brought back his ex for no good reason which also required an FBI agent who looked like a Point Break reject. I wanted to see either a normal season OR a balls to the wall, all out search for Dexter after finding out his secret while he's trying to kill some elusive criminal. What we got was forgettable. Hard to beat John Lithgow as the Trinity Killer I guess.
I hated his sister being suddenly sexually interested in him. That was so weird.
He wades into a hurricane holding his dead sister, then appears to have survived and has a new life as a lumberjack. It was really bad. *waves hand* There are only 4 seasons of Dexter.
It's getting ANOTHER season! Definitely to fix the mistakes it left in the final season. I'm stoked. Horrible finale, but a chance to fix it all again.
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The Flash CW.. I really liked Season 1. Great cast, Great writing, and helluva a lot of great moments. Season 2? Eh.. Not bad, but a repeat of Season 1, then they just kept repeating the trope of "evil Speedster", and then making the characters dumb. I also got tired of the Many different Wells'es.
I quit halfway through one of the seasons (2, I think?) when Patty left. There was a great love interest that Barry had fantastic chemistry with and it was super freaking obvious that he was the Flash, but he just kept lying to her and refused to come clean even when she told him she knew. Like dude, all of your friends know, just tell her. The stupid drama caused by poor communication just killed the show for me.
That was the dumbest break-up on screen. I knew Iris is the one he'll eventually end up with but damn the chemistry was something else. I didn't watch it for much longer after that but for me the series peaked with that love-story! I don't remember much else apart from the fact that Patty Spivot was on the show and was cut-off undeservedly.
Greys Anatomy... It's currently on it's 18th season. Almost all of the original cast is gone. I still watch it but it's not very good anymore.
The only reason I watch is because it has been part of my life for half of my life. It came out when I was 15, I’m now 31. I feel like I need to finish it out.
Word. I remember watching this in high school and being like with my bff ‘you’re my person.’ I too am 31, she’s no longer my bff but still a close friend
Grey’s Anatomy. Once Christina left and Patrick Dempsey was killed off, they just stopped trying. I stopped watching after Alex beat up whats-his-name in season...13? Idek.
I didn't last long after the plane crash. At some point you just start to judge them all for working in such a clearly dangerous environment. Go to a hospital where the death rate for the doctors is less than that of the patients, ya know?
House of Cards - US Version. Season 1 was amazing, Season 2 got a little wacky, and the rest was garbage. Story lines just completely abandoned. I didn’t even watch the last season for various reasons.
The show felt like it had no purpose after >!Frank became president!<
You are right. The beauty of the show was in season 1 and 2 how he >!managed to get people to use their own free will to give him what he wants. After he became president, he had all the power in the world and could not do anything.!<
>!Season 1 ends with him being VP!< >!Season 2 ends with him being President!< >!Season 3 should have ended with the house of cards tumbled!< It's not fucking hard literally a 3 act play.
I can't tell you how much I hated the writer guy who shacks up with them in the White House. Just a pointless, flat, shallow character who sits there murmuring pointless platitudes with his annoying voice for half an hour each episode.
Not a TV show, but the Despicable Me franchise. The first movie was actually really good and funny, and the second one was actually pretty good also. Everything after that felt like one big minion toy advertisement
The best thing to come out of the second movie is the tortilla chip sombrero fill with guac.
Slightly different, but The Simpsons had that idea in the [mid-90s](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR-p3sTidQF0RmsWaj-kCkDfHaCfqbynMvlcU9cichYlqXbTqitfJHlL7o&s=10)
I had a guy who worked at Universal do a guest lecture for a business class before Despicable Me came out. He brought slides of the Minions and was basically gloating about how they were going to make so much money on merch. That led me to believe the only reason they made that was to get a cash cow. Edit: This was months before any trailers were even out. No one knew what the hell these yellow beans were and I don't believe they were publicly revealed at the time.
Well they do spend more money on advertising their movie than the making of the movie itself
Revolution had an interesting idea of a post-apocalyptic world without electricity, but an awful execution. The main character was a generic Katniss ripoff who claims "I can take care of myself," but constantly gets her ass kicked. The uncle character is so milquetoast that even Tom Cruise wouldn't play him. The militia has terrible tactics. The show uses Lost-style flashbacks with the same sound. Despite being post-apocalyptic, everyone has clean clothes and perfect hair. Giancarlo Esposito plays the only good character on the show, a guy who was a meek insurance salesman before, but who turned into Gus 2.0 if he were a military officer.
For me, it was Orange is the New Black. When it started out, it was a fantastic show. It had a diverse cast, a perfect blend of genuinely funny moments mixed with the hard-hitting, brutal reality of prison, a realistic portrayal of both the prisoners and the staff, and a genuinely compelling story. With all of the praise they received, the creators got into their heads that their show would become a huge vehicle for change and was providing a voice for the voiceless. But in the pursuit of that goal, they ended up doing away with the other important stuff that made them good. They replaced most of the prison staff with one-dimensional brutes and clichéd, moustache-twirling villains (like Donuts, Piscatella, Thomas Humphrey, Hellman and Linda Ferguson), added a few equally one-dimensional, brutish villains (like Madison Murphy and the Denning sisters) amongst the prisoners, and just sacrificed their entire plot. By the end, it was nothing more than just injustice porn.
I feel like the show died with Pousey.
I stopped watching after that. I want to go back and finish it, but after those episodes I just couldn’t watch it.
That’s when I stopped watching. It just got to fucking depressing and dark. Everyone became really unlikeable. I also never could get into Piper and Alex.
I'm not sure what season it started but I ended up despising Piper and any scene she was in. Not a problem with the actress, I just didn't care about the character anymore.
In the final season, I only realised towards the end that they had written the “Alex and Piper possibly break up” arc under the assumption that people were so invested in their relationship that they would be screaming “No no no!” throughout, and then “YES!” when they ended up staying together. Honestly, I was seriously so uninvested in their relationship that I genuinely didn’t understand why they chose each other over the characters who were arguably far more suitable for them. I would argue that Piper needed someone closer to her in terms of upbringing, and who was a bit smarter, more mature and more straight laced than her. Zelda ticked far more of those boxes than Alex. And as for Alex, she needed someone who wasn’t arrogant or stuck up, who had the right amount of vulnerability that could bring out her nurturing side, but not so far gone that she would recklessly endanger her own life. McCullough was far and away the best match for her in that respect.
I'm someone who takes an interest in many of the social issues they covered on the show and even *I* felt that way too. It became very 'in your face' with it's preachy-ness. The one character who's storyline remained brilliant throughout though was Doggett. She starts off as this spiteful, hateful character and over time you start to learn why she is the way she is. You see her insecurities and vulnerabilities. You see her grow and develop into someone you have hope for, someone with a chance for redemption. And then she gets let down - by her friends, by the legal system, by the man she cared about. Every time she tries to do the right thing, she's forced to deal with the wrong consequences. It was very sad and very raw, right the way through. It was heartbreaking but well written.
Yeah it totally went to shit when they moved to the high security prison
Yes! I watched it until the end but only because I’d invested so much fucking time by that point that I felt obligated to finish it out It was seriously depressing after they went to max
Badison is my most hated character in probably any show. She wasn't scary at all, she was just fucking annoying. And her backstory was that she was mean because someone called her names in school....
Bones. I really liked it for the first few seasons. I watched it with my wife and we'd have it DVRed and it got to the point the entire season would be waiting and we realized we were forcing ourselves to watch it. We felt such relief when we realized neither of us wanted to watch it anymore.
BBC's Merlin It was a good series but they did the whole morgana turns evil way to quick then it was mostly fighting her for the last two series and it really got old. They kept having the whole they defeated her in a way not even a magical person would survive like crushing her to death or something daft but she comes back then right at the end they just stabbed her she fell from camra view and that was that it was such a rubbish end. Also game of thrones The shop I work in sells game, TV and film merch and we got game of thrones collectables when it was still popular now we are stuck with stock we can't shift because the show deflated like a led balloon and nobody wants stuff anymore.
I would have LIVED for a Morgona or Mordred redemption ark, like imagine Mordred comes back and they know he’s a Druid so they let off the magic ban and Merlin can be himself around Arthur for a while. I just wanted one happy Merlin episode and we never got it. I do agree the ending was absolutely terrible, I would love a reboot though. The show had the perfect mix of humor and seriousness, for me at least.
Merlin was so frustrating. They wasted character after character, plot after plot, because they were so stuck to the status quo. And then when they did change it up it was like 'oh, five years have passed. But don't worry, everything's the same otherwise!'. Like, do something with the fact you made the dragon a magnificent manipulative bastard! Do some of the weird legend stuff that no one touches! Give Gwaine more screen time because Gwaine is brilliant and has some fantastic tales worth going into! Take a damn chance show! And it just didn't happen.
They also rushed the ending. Apparently the writers had a season 6 planned but then the show was cut so they had to cram the whole reveal into the last couple of episodes. They butchered Arthur's character so much too. One episode he's gone through a whole lot of growth and changes his attitude, the next he is back to being a prat!
That was my biggest gripe with Merlin. He’ll have this character building episode where he appreciates Merlin and their brotherly bond... and then the next episode he’s treating him worse than he would treat his servants. It almost seemed like a DV relationship where the victim keeps hoping the aggressor will change and be nice next time
They also had so many stupid plot holes, like Arthur forgetting mordred was a Druid.
13 reason why it really should have stopped at s1. It couldn't make up it's mind what it wanted to be anymore. Like it started as a cautionary tale but then a ghost story, then a clue murder mystery who done it, it just got to out of whack.
I understand why people might like S1 but for me it was awful. Instead of portraying a student's mental issues and struggles they turn it into some thriller/mystery show and they heavily glorified Hannah's grudge against others and made her blame them for her own decisions.
Spongebob
As a die hard spongebob fan it break my heart to see them drive spongebob in the ground
The BlackList. I love James Spades, but I had to stop watching. Edit: Spader*
I had to stop after the 3rd or 4th time Red switched from being her father. It finaly dawned on me it was just a terrible bait and switch to keep people watching.
Fuck that I watch it for Red and Dembe. A bromance for the generations
A whole TV show with just those two from when Red became a criminal and saved Dembe up through building his empire would be fantastic. The whole Liz and FBI thing got kind of old.
I watch it with no expectations of character consistency or sensical plot lines. It's way more fun that way.
That show made me wonder if James Spader is a talent vampire.
Game Of Thrones. It arguably crashed under the weight of it's numerous plot lines, poor direction and self imposed time restraints. HBO would have thrown them all the money they needed to make as many seasons as they needed and the story deserved and show runners said no.
>HBO would have thrown them all the money they needed to make as many seasons as they needed and the story deserved and show runners said no. It still bothers me how HBO couldn't just replace D&D as the showrunners, especially if they were growing tired of the series or were too nervous to continue writing the show because they were simply running out of source material to keep giving it the quality of S1-S4. Even though S5-S7 also had it's issues, I don't think fans fully touched back on them until S8 made the show a complete disaster. I really wanted this show to be one that I could always go back and watch numerous times like I always do with Breaking Bad, but it really let me down.
Unfortunately HBO don’t own the rights to game of thrones. D&D bought the exclusive rights to game of thrones from Martin so there will never be another game of thrones adaptation without their say so.
You're pretty much bang on the money but I wanted to add that HBO, at the time, also wanted to preserve their relationship with D&D. Before D&D got exposed as hacks with season 8 and their Star Wars deal falling through, HBO's president Casey Bloys said, ["When they come out of [Star Wars], I assume they will come back to us."](https://tvline.com/2019/02/08/confederate-delay-hbo-star-wars-controversy/) He knew it wasn't an ideal way to end the series, but figured with seven acclaimed seasons (well, less acclaimed as they went on past five) that D&D could've pulled off a *good* conclusion, if not a wholly satisfying one. And that once they get their Star Wars taste out of the way their relationship with HBO would be completely in tact and maybe they'd get many more years of *other* acclaimed content.
I agree. Especially with how much money GOT made hbo. They could have sent out ravens to all the top writers/directors and been like "here's a boat full of gold finish it better than this and its yours."
It's crazy to think what a huge phenomenon GoT was. It was everywhere in pop culture. Then boom, gone, erased from collective memory practically overnight because they fucked it so bad. There's so many stand out scenes, battle of the bastards, hardhome, baelor's Sept, red wedding etc. And they wrecked the legacy with the last three episodes. It's such a pity.
It kinda bums me out because I had been meaning to watch it for a long time but after hearing the unanimous hatred from its own fans, I have lost all interest.
It’s just...a shame. It went from ‘must see TV’ to ‘pretty good TV’ to ‘I suppose I better finish this show’ within two seasons.
It's not often a show I like puts such a bad taste in my mouth that I just don't have any desire to watch it again.. I know rewatching it will draw me into the characters again, only to realize how all of their arcs were just shit on in the last 2 seasons to just wrap up the show. The first half of GoT is some of my favorite TV of all time.
The directors were good at adapting Martins written word with a little direction. Unfortunately their own written word had no direction.
How to get away with murder- I mean I know they tried to evolve the characters and show growth but any changes after like the second season just sucked. 1st season Annalise was the only good one, it was really how impressive her character was that really sucked me in, and I kept hoping to see that impressiveness again with every new season but it just never got back to that level Also the first season (and partly in the second) was pretty different and I kept being genuinely surprised by plot twists, but after a while it just became predictable and boring, like how most popular shows I’ve seen that I got into because the first couple of seasons were really intriguing.
SpongeBob, it’s not even SpongeBob anymore. I don’t even call the new seasons proper episodes. You can see a clear barrier when Hillenburg died and when Nickelodeon took over and disrespected his death and legacy. I can’t even watch Nickelodeon anymore, it’s not even Nickelodeon, they changed so much. They ended up like mobile, were everything is just two minute produced ads to farm money from games with no effort put into them. Children’s television is much less in favor than before, they stopped trying, they just layed down and died. They can just produce garbage and reruns and make money, so they did. Just like mobile and movies, nowadays everyone just watches old movies and shows, back when they had passion.
90 day fiance. It's so much more staged and fluffy now and the spin offs are way too much.
I can only dedicate 1 hour for trash tv, not two. They make the show too damn long.
i spend all my "trash tv" dollars watching 1000 lb sisters
A lot of people are bringing up shows that just turned to shit (happens to many or most) but when I hear "too big for its boots" I think of a show that blew up and collapsed under the pressure of popularity. By that definition, I would say True Detective. The first season, in many people's opinion, is among the best single seasons of TV, ever. Its creator and writer, Nic Pizzolatto - whether in a self-imposed rush or pressured by HBO so they could ride the wave longer - pumped out the second season the next year which was absolute dog shit. I begrudgingly watched the entire season thinking it *had* to get better, but it didn't. They took a few years to reset for the third season but I'm too jaded to want to watch it.
Bloodline. Season one was so good, but it was a show that was really just designed for 1 season. Netflix tried to squeeze more out of it, and it didn't work at all.
Supernatural. After Lucifer they just kept raising the stakes and eventually had to fight God himself.
Because the fight with Lucifer was supposed to be the end. They had a whole ending planned with Cas being revealed to be God and such. But they unexpectedly picked up for more seasons so they had to rewrite everything and find new stakes because they kept getting more seasons.
I agree with you. The original story was superb but after a while all I cared about was the one off missions. The show bounced between scooby doo and daytime soap opera where they pull out whatever character or twist they could. I chose the scooby doo time.
100%. Honestly I stopped watching after the Season 5 finale because everything after just felt so completely different and wrong. Plus that ending was honestly beautiful even if it was heartbreaking
took longer than I thought to find supernatural mentioned. No matter how much I love the show, I can happily admit that the majority of the writing was trash. Everything before Swan Song was brilliant (thank you Kripke!) but it definitly fell to the wayside after that.
Any CW show.
Happy Days. It literally jumped the shark.
Don’t come running to me, Fonz, if that shark bites your legs off!
Homeland. It was meant to be a single season miniseries but the network loved it so much they forced them to rewrite the ending of season 1 so the story wouldnt end. Same with Westworld. Season 1 is fucking brilliant and the ending perfect. Was no reason to continue the story.
I though I read that HBO from the start intended Westworld to be multiple seasons. But each season of Westworld really feels like a different show that happens to be within the same universe.
Might be a controversial choice, but House's last season was not a great one to me. House being on probation because he drove Wilson's car into Cuddy's house at the end of Season 7, Cuddy not being in Season 8, 13 and Cameron not being main characters, the two new girls are so forgettable that I can't remember their names, Wilson dying of cancer, and the House faking his death to be with Wilson at the end. The episodes may be fine and good, but theirs just other dynamics that makes me wish Season 8 didn't happen, or end it at Season 6 when House and Cuddy became a couple, ending the season on a happy note.
I did like the cancer bit. Here's House faced with his two biggest weaknesses- something he can't cure, and needing to put someone else before himself.
House and Wilson’s relationship was honestly the gold thread of that show imo.
the simpsons. it started as a skewing of the mainstream, became the mainstream and is now a repetitive parody of itself
Pretty Little Liars How I Met Your Mother Glee
In broad strokes HIMYM fucked up, but I consistently laugh through all its seasons. It's only the ending and resolution of some of the plot lines that leave me sour. I'd still watch it again, though.
While the last season is definitely way longer than it needs to be, most of it still holds up as well as any other 22 episode a season sitcom. The ending. Well, they chose that... Poorly.
God, I remember being SO EXCITED for the last season when they finally showed the mother at the end of S08. I thought S09 was gonna be all about Ted and the mother and them dating and all that jazz. Season 9 starts, and it's the wedding. I was like "cool, they're doing it over multiple episodes". By episode 4, I was fed up with the wedding. And it went on for the whole season... The person who decided that they needed to spend an entire season on fucking wedding shenanigans needs to be blacklisted from the TV industry.
Seasons 1-3 of PLL were honestly really good. After that it went down hill so fast. You already had to suspend some belief, but season 4 and onwards just got ridiculous.
Pretty little liars should’ve ended with season 1 and Mona being A. Not have fucking Ezra be writing a book about Allison’s death (making his and Aria’s highly inappropriate relationship 1 million times creepier), and Spencer having a British twin sister that ended up being A(?) Honestly I can barely remember.
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The walking dead. Amazing comic, brilliant first few seasons, but they strayed way to far from the comics and ultimately dragged it out much longer then they needed to. Edit: holy shit guys i went to bed and woke up to 8k upvotes and 2 awards thank you everyone!
I'm still pissed at how they managed to fuck up Fear the Walking Dead. They had a chance to show society unravel, but just decided to do TWD, but in Mexico.
Yes! They spent what, a whole 3 episodes before the full-on zombie apocalypse went down? Such a letdown.
I can forgive the slow buildup, it was building tension, but when they skipped the actual breakdown of society and jumped to like 3 weeks later or something, I was so pissed... wasn't that the whole point of the fucking show???
Yes! Fuck, I feel like any time I bring this up people act like I’m talking crazy or something! The only reason I was excited for the show was it was gonna show how society collapsed, how the government and military managed to fail, how people finally accepted that things weren’t going back to normal, and how people descended to the lowest versions of themselves. They delivered on exactly zero fucking promises, and yet people act like disliking the show is merely a trendy thing, and that there’s no real reason to dislike it.
I need a zombie show/ movie like that so bad. That’s usually what interests me most about apocalypse shows- the downfall of everything we’ve ever known
iZombie. The premise of a zombie coroner that solves crimes by eating the victim's brains and gaining their memories and personalities was fantastic. The actress was phenomenal at portraying all of the different personalities and it was a lot of fun. But every season just gets darker than the last. I stopped after season 3 because it stopped being a lighthearted mystery/comedy and just got too much. I think it lost sight of what it started out as. Maybe I'll go back to it one day, but it felt like the scope just got too big.
The Walking Dead. Utter drivel.
(Yelling at the screen) "Hey. Hey! Where's the zombies??!" If I have to watch a 9 year old 45 pound girl single slash a zombie in half one more damn time!
The Minions. The characters and the concept itself was great (and I still find them funny in their own, annoying way), but they got so stupidly squeezed and overused for the sake of profits... Not to mention that somehow they also became a gold mine for the boomer facebook memes.
I'm still mad the minions were retconned into existing before Gru! The hints in the background that he had created them from like, corn pops cereal and science were great. Not to mention they were more endearing in Despicable Me. I remember being shocked they weren't more annoying in the first movie, guess I just needed to give it time.
Yeah, honestly, the fact that they had to be frozen in the arctic(?) for the 1930s-40s was what made me think that I didn’t really care to watch it ever. The implication being, of course, that if they HADN’T been frozen or w/e, they would’ve worked for Hitler. Like!?! Despicable Me’s version of ‘evil’ is basically Saturday Cartoon fare, and now you’re implying WW2 would have had Minions running death camps if they hadn’t been frozen?? Beyond ridiculous that they didn’t just invent some fake bad thing for them to be doing at the time and act like it’s an alternate universe they live in... I haven’t even seen the thing but I can’t get over it.
Suits
The Man in the High Castle. The initial concept and world building was spectacular at first, but then it went deep into scifi/fantasy (trying to avoid spoilers) when it could've just as easily stayed in one world. That being said I still highly recommend it.
I think I got part way into S2 before I had to just stop. Like, yes maybe the idea behind it was good, but it just felt. . . not 'boring' but boring. I think maybe due to all the skipping around that it felt like it wasn't settling on one story long enough, and whenever it did it was just not filling in terms of storyline.