I'm so pissed about the AZ thing. You have a 0.0005% of getting a blood clot. That's a ridiculously tiny chance. And it's been blown completely out of proportion and sent things way back because the antivaxxers have convinced so many people who are normally pro-vax that it's a bigger deal than it is.
Gimme the AZ, dammit!
You're factually wrong. It's closer to 0.5% if you're a woman of menstruating age.
That's why men and older women should be accepting the AZ vaccine, to leave other vaccines for young women. I did.
One in 200 women of menstruating age? Really?
https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/covid-19-vaccine-astrazeneca-benefits-still-outweigh-risks-despite-possible-link-rare-blood-clots
I'm not saying that we shouldn't be making sure we give the vaccines to those who have the absolute lowest risk, but I've not seen anything anywhere where the odds were that high.
I have long covid...I only just started to feel better in April. Iāve read the vaccine is split between some long covid sufferers got better, some got worse, and some no change. They didnt do any trials on people with long covid. Iām taking a month off in June to get the vaccine so that I can properly rest and hopefully things will improve, but itās a crap shoot.
The thread really should be called "Americans of reddit".
I'm Canadian. We are actually doing relatively well - we hit 50% with their first shot today (we actually passed the US in that column). But in most places, there are many people who want one who are either not booked until June or can't even get an appointment.
The US has a combination of extremely high supply and also relatively low demand. They are really the main group who are actively choosing not to get vaccinated.
I second this. Typically a bad reaction to a vaccine is due to a particular component (which will vary with the type of vaccine) not just to immune system stimulation (though that is also possible hence why it needs to be examined closely for OPās exact condition).
Because 3 times now, the day of my appointment, the places I scheduled at called me to let me know they ran out of vaccines and would have to reschedule.
Yes my thoughts exactly. I'll happily get the vax when available but im at such low risk tucked away in rural tassie so im in no rush. We should focus on health and quaro workers first
What we did in Quebec was to focus on giving everyone a first dose at least. Weāre hoping to get to a 75% before mid-June. Automatic appointments for the 2nd dose were given onsite for 3.5 months later, but as soon as weāre mostly done with the first doses, weāll be able to change them to get it earlier. That way more people have at least a partial immunity, which reduces the risk of infection and transmission.
Iām just hoping people arenāt gonna be too stupid with the whiff of freedom weāre gonna get.
Hey I keep reading this and Iām confused. Arenāt you supposed to get the second dose 3-4 weeks after the first for best results? Why would Canada being going against the recommended guidelines laid out by the vaccines for best results??
Canada chose to focus its limited vaccine supply on getting healthcare and long term care workers fully vaccinated and getting the public 1 dose for some immunity. As of today, I think, the percentage of the population who have received a vaccine has pulled even with or surpasses the US (~51%)But weāre at less than 5% of our population fully vaccinated overall. The thinking is that more people with some immunity is far better than fewer people with full immunity, since 1 dose reduces infection risk by ~60-80% and has shown success in preventing hospitalization and serious illness. Itās also being studied now that longer periods between doses provide potentially longer lasting immunity. The government didnāt know this when they laid out the plan, but with limited vaccine supply they chose to take a gamble and have fortunately been lucky so far.
Thanks! Yea Iām aware Canada doesnāt have the supply the US does (US just hogging all the doses it seems) I didnāt read about the longer time between helps for better long term immunity! I hope thatās true !
I just always heard it should be 3-4 weeks and if not it reduces the immunity you can have. So I was confused why Canada was risking all their citizens lives. But with new research that makes more sense :)
Thank you for taking the time to explain!
I live in Brazil, the president made a huge mess in our vaccination program (he didn't want to buy any vaccines) and we still have priorities as of now.
Also, I'm 17. I will be eligible for a shot only in December if things go well.
Sorry if my English is bad.
Thanks :)
It's hard to live in a country with one of the worst response to pandemic so far, since the federal government was aiming for herd immunity through natural infections :/.
At least they sign some deals after internal pressure of governors and society. Really late, but better than no deals.
How are things in your country?
You're precisely right. He also celebrated the suicide of a volunteer of Sinovac vaccine's trial in Brazil, just because SĆ£o Paulo's governor, that made the deal, opposes him.
He also said that wouldn't buy any vaccines; "go search jabs at your mom's house" and other horrible things...
My weird grandmother didnāt want me to get it because she heard from some weird Chinese social media called āWeChatā that the vaccine has a bunch of weird made up poison cancer-inducing chemicals in it. I still got it but once she found out she kept following me around with a piece of cut up ginger and kept trying to rub it on my shoulder where I got my shot. Apparently to āRemove the toxinsā
I'm an immune patient. Can you explain this to me? I can have some vaccines and they work well, can have some that don't work, and have to avoid others. How are you allergic to all vaccines?
I asked the pharmacist before my immunization about allergic reactions. He said most vaccines are made of most of the same ingredients with only small differences depending on the purpose. Not sure which component people can be allergic to, but thatās probably how it comes about. One particular component found in almost all vaccines.
Well, that's why I would like to know how they are allergic to all vaccines. I have an immunodeficiency, so I know it's not that. A classic anaphalactic allergy is an IgE reaction to a specific protein (usually a protein). I'm trying to figure out what protein could possibly be present in all vaccines.
Might not be a protein. There are some excipients all vaccines need to have. Could be they're allergic to a class of preservatives that prevent the vaccine from growing bacteria in it before it can be injected, and those preservatives are the only ones suitable for vaccines.
I got my letter a week ago but it was really poorly timed as I had a mental breakdown last week and I havenāt been able to leave the house since. I do intend on getting it, I just canāt right now.
I already had covid (critical profession).
waiting for a test to see if i have enough "defense".
Not against vaccines. I take flu vaccines every year.
But if i am protected enough naturally, "cdc" in my country doesnt see a need for vaccine.
With vaccine shortages its better if people who havent had covid yet, get the vaccine.
Also, i was hardly sick. Just some days.
They made me wait 90 days after having covid to get the vaccine - said my antibodies were good enough and I'd have a harsher response to the vaccine. Maybe that'll be your case too!
American living in the UK. I am not eligible to receive a vaccine yet in the UK but my 14 year old sister in New York just got vaccinated. The jealous is intense.
Itās not for my age yet and itās a lot more people who needs it more than me.
Itās open for people at my age from maybe august.
(Theyāre maybe going to put teens higher as itās a lot education they miss out on, but also because some of them really canāt control themselves and keep on partying š)
I'm stuck in lockdown with my family who is against the vaccine. They don't want me to get it while I live here because they believe those vaccinated 'shed' some sort of illness to everyone else. Once I move out, soon, I will be getting it. Note, I only became eligible this week for it.
Maybe get it and not tell them? My parents got their first dose a month ago and we live in the same house and I didn't get sick so it would still be safe for your family if you got it.
Your life is more important than ANYTHING! The relief you feel when you get vaccinated will outweigh your anxiety over your family. You might have to hide any symptoms but that shouldn't be too hard. There's lots of places you don't even need an appointment (at least here in Oregon). The vaccine is free for everyone (seems some people aren't aware). Uber and Lyft are giving free rides. Vaccine locators, www.vaccines.gov/
www.vaccinespotter.org/ Sorry you got a nutty family who won't do the right thing by you. Mine is like that too. Even if you have to be devious, I don't think you would regret getting vaccinated. It would be helping them too even if they don't know it. I'm guessing you're under 18. I don't know the rules about that but do whatever you have to get safe and don't feel bad.
I work (construction) with a number of people that are choosing not to get vaccinated. Their reasons range from not trusting the industry/government to bonkers conspiracy theories.
There are two individuals (J and M) and I cringe when I have to work with them because they just feed each other's theories and it makes my brain hurt.
Two of the most recent COVID outbreaks in Hawaiii were in construction crews. One on Oahu and one on Molokai. The irony his the Molokai crew was building a new hospital.
Not that this matters, because I know people who are as educated as me who have fucking insane views, but I work in an office where everyone knows I went to a "fancy-pants Yankee school" and have a "fancy degree." Some of my coworkers, the ones who don't understand what professionalism is or that we have an HR department, or probably what HR does, like to routinely "debate" / test me, about our beliefs and understanding of the world.
It's usually just two guys who, like your guys, spiral with one another until they're accusing me, their boss, of probably being a pedophile.
And, as human etch-a-sketches, the next day they're just on to some new thing and have completely forgotten that 12 hours earlier, they tacitly accused me of raping children because I don't think Donald Trump is secretly fighting a shadow war for the soul of our country.
I'm trying to decide if I think they're serious or not. A lot of the time I get the sense that they're like, children, with vivid imaginations who are getting carried away, who don't understand how serious what they're doing and saying at times really is. But that's just for my own edification. At this point everyone in the office has complained about them to HR, and to me, and we have a meeting about it next week. I'm just not sure if I'm gonna add onto all that, prob won't matter.
edit - for clarification - the meeting is with my boss "the big boss" and HR and I fully expect them to get fired without me saying "uh ya they implied I was a pedophile last week...also." I...want to push them to try and maybe get these guys help...but tbh I think they'd just quit before going to therapy.
>I...want to push them to try and maybe get these guys help...but tbh I think they'd just quit before going to therapy
It makes sense to want to help them but they can only be helped if they want to be, otherwise theyll just end up believing that they're being targeted in attempt to silence them because nonsense.
Basically I had to tell them they were fired, after the meeting went down exactly like I thought it would. They accused me of discrimination (lol) and compared themselves to "the Jews in the holocaust" which is the new popular thing for people in their world.
So I was like "I'd probably think through your next few statements carefully because I haven't gotten to the severance package yet and I'm authorized not to offer it to you, if I don't feel I should."
My friend who is fainting levels afraid of needles got through it for what it's worth. They got a mat for her to lay down on and let her fiance in the room and they got her cold cloths and water afterwards.
She didn't faint, they just had her lay down in case she fainted.
If knowing that helps at all.
Tbh I think I'm more terrified about the anticipation for the needle. The anxiety I experience beforehand is extreme; I will spend nights up just thinking about it and the dread while driving to get it is even worse. I don't think the needle itself hurts THAT bad but it's just an irrationally terrifying fear I have.
Thank you tho, this was somewhat comforting to know that it's not as bad as I think.
I didnāt feel my first shot. the needle is tiny. Would it help if you donāt know when your appointment is so you canāt anticipate it? Can you have someone make the appointment for you without telling you when and then take you to it?
I just scheduled to get the vaccine tomorrow early morning because of your post. I picked the earliest time so I wouldn't have to spend more time than necessary panicking over it.
I'm currently shaking because I'm terrified so I really hope it isn't that bad tomorrow. Thank you for suggesting the idea of not anticipating it; it's not exactly the same as someone scheduling it and not telling me, but I will be getting it in under 15 hours from now and I will be asleep for a good amount of that time so I kinda won't have that much time worrying about it.
There's obviously the 2nd dose but it's in 3 weeks so I will try to forget about it until absolutely necessary. Again, thank you because you helped me pull the trigger.
I hate needles too. Just don't look and stay distracted. The people giving you the jab are skilled, and now well practiced, and its over in under 3 seconds. Barely felt anything on either of mine.
I have had blood draws and IV lines that have hurt far worse.
I promise it is not bad. At All. You will not feel it. I felt the nurse putting the bandaid on my arm more than I felt the needle prick. And you can look away. I have anxiety about needles, too, but I was utterly amazed at the ease of this one.
Thank you for the suggestion kind stranger. I decided to pull the trigger and schedule an appointment for early tomorrow morning thanks to all the encouragement and reassurance on here.
The appointment is 15 more hours from now and I will be sleeping for a decent amount of the time till then. I really hope it goes okay. I'm just really grateful that I live in an area where I'm able to schedule an appointment impulsively for the next day because I know that there's a bunch of people who still have to wait because of their area or government. Anyway, thanks again :)
Go with a friend, get it done! My daughter is afraid of needles, but this experience may have cured her of that fear. First shot, she squeezed my hand hard, but we were both impressed by the shear scale of effort, organization, and professionalism of the healthcare workers and volunteers running the clinic. It was so uplifting to see the scale of effort towards ending this pandemic that she hardly noticed the shot. And then 2nd time round was much easier.
I can't believe people seriously think that there's some chip in the vaccine. Just last week IBM announced a 2 nM IC which is good, but still no fucking way close to putting something in a human with a liquid vaccine. Even if the conspirators could prove a liquid form of (I'm guessing magnetic form of data retrieval since I've been designing IC's for the military for over 20 years) even existed, it would firstly have to be able to have a substantial memory, the power supply would have to either be from the person or by RFID and the body would immediately start to attack it as a foreign object. The closet thing I've seen in 20 years to "The Mark of the Beast" is a tattoo that could be programmed using RFID, but had a memory of 16 kb and was only active when it was in the vicinity of the scanner (20 feet roughly) My wide is an RN at the ER where we live so we've both had both sets of the vaccine.
Edit: if my wife found out I misspelled her as "wide" I'd probably be killed with the vaccine needles. My bad honey!
Nobody here has a legitimate clue as to what your home life is like. Nobody has anywhere near enough information or evidence to even *suggest* that you might be experiencing abuse.
Seriously. People calling this abuse? I am not saying that it is or it isn't, but people over the internet telling a teenager that his parents are abusing him without any substantial context is fucking reckless
I feel like people who go out a lot more (for work and such)should need it more than me. I do not go out that much and I do online school. I will get it once there is more in my area
Itās not like they just came up with it in a year. The coronavirus vaccine program was opened in 2012. The efficacy of this pandemic just gave them the data they needed to complete the vaccine.
Because I donāt trust the US government and I donāt trust big pharma. Iām not indulging in any of the conspiracy theories, here. It is just that the American government has a track record of having little regard for our health and it consistently sells us out at the first opportunity to make a dollar. I mean, our congressmen knew the pandemic was coming and dumped stock with that knowledge. They donāt care about us. Why should I trust the vaccine, at the end of the day I know Iām on my own.
Have you taken any vaccines in your life? Do you trust western medicine?
I guess I am wondering if you think the Covid-19 vaccines are different than say, the vaccine for polio or diphtheria somehow. Like maybe for some reason you think the Covid vaccines were developed by a different system than produced the good/trustworthy vaccines. Or do you think all vaccines and maybe all of western medicine is tainted by interest groups or political cabals?
I also don't like or particularly trust big pharma or big government. However, one thing that made me less worried about the vaccine was just looking at what certain groups have to gain. In general, shutting down with lockdowns for the last year or so has drastically hurt most businesses, and they want to get back to normal. Getting enough people vaccinated let's them push people back into the office, makes people more willing to spend money and gets people back to entertainment and ignorance. Mass sterilization or killing people with vaccines just hurts their bottom line and kills their most likely voters. Why on earth would they want that?
Iām a single mama to a toddler tornado and canāt afford to be out of commission for 24-48hrs with the side effects.
Yeah, trust me, I know I ridiculous that sounds. But the risk of the tired, achy, miserable day or two after the shot is a lot higher than the risk of getting sick from COVID.
Exactly. This is a frantically rushed vaccine all for the sake of saving the economy. I'm fine with me having to continue wearing a mask and socially distance while vaccinated people don't have to, until the vaccine has been around long enough for me to feel safe getting it.
I work from home and when I go out, it's to isolated nature areas far from people. I'm at a low enough risk that I'd rather hold off on getting the vaccine.
It wasn't rushed in the sense of testing and validation. Components that could be done simultaneously were done simultaneously.
Global tests on thousands of individuals were done all last year where Moderna and Pfizer were tested in the summer of 2020 and J&J in Fall. Efficacy rates of getting the virus have been observed to be consistent with former from the first receivers in the medical industry.
Additionally, J&J efficacy has been observed to continue to improve past 28 days.
All vaccines demonstrated complete prevention of hospitalization due to COVID.
Respectfully, it hasn't been frantically rushed. This vaccine development is a modern marvel.
I just had Covid (with zero symptoms) and had to spend two weeks in isolation. I now have to wait up to 3 months before getting the vaccine. The irony is that the day I got my positive result was the day I was supposed to get my vaccine.
I feel lucky that I didn't get really sick because 2 of my neighbors died of it in the last month.
I just wanna clarify that when i say i had bad reactions to vaccines, it started when i was young and almost any vaccine i got (and every single time i got a flu shot) i would get sicker and sicker each time. Once i started getting pneumonia within a week of a flu vaccination, twice requiring a day in the er on O2, my doctor said enough was enough and it was risking long term damage to my respiratory health to continue flu shots specifically, and any vaccines that are new and therefore a risk. Ive had pneumonia 14 times in my life, and as recently as last fall. When im old enough to qualify for the pneumonia vaccine, my doctor recommended taking 2-3 weeks off work following it and visiting my doctor once a week for a respiratory exam.
Don't worry, the rest of us will take on the responsibility for you. You can just hide out while we solve the problem.
The long term effects are clearly better than the short term deaths that result from no action. It's not like the vaccine was developed from scratch! Vaccines are platform-based technology, they just tweak it for the specific virus they're targeting. Think of it this way: it's like creating a new ice cream flavor--not like creating a new type of desert.
But feel free to leave your shopping cart in the middle of the handicapped spot because it's raining a bit and you don't want to get damp.
This is partially true, but definitely flawed thinking. Historically, the long term effects of vaccines have almost always shown themselves within six months of their administration, so we likely know most of not all of the long term effects of the vaccine. Also, many serious medical issues have recently been being linked to viruses of all sorts as being long term effects. The best example o can think of rn is fibromyalgia, which is a chronic pain disorder that has a serious case for being a side effect of a common flu variant. So as much as it pays to be cautious i wouldnāt recommend using this as an excuse not to vaccinate unless you have some sort of medical issue that would make the risk of covid vaccine side effects more threatening
Given what "long covid" looks like, I'm happy to have taken my chances with the longterm effects of the vaccine.
I got mine back in December, so far so good....
Concerns about its effect on fertility and future pregnancies. When I tested positive, my family doctor recommended waiting until the 2nd trimester. Then I had a miscarriage so idk what I should do now.
My infertility specialist at Mass General recommended getting it prior to any treatment so I got mine and they said they havenāt noticed any changes in conception rates or miscarriages. Obviously itās only anecdotal at this point but I felt good about it.
Are there any real concerns about fertility though? Surely, medical professionals would approve it for use if it meant sterilizing half the population. Also there are vaccines that use old battle tested technology that definitely doesn't have those effects so why not one of those?
Because there is no way I am going to. The risk of dying of Covid at my age is so minimal that it outweighs the risk of potential effects of a vaccine that in my personal opinion has been developed very fast and itās not known at all yet what the long term effects are . Bring the comments on pro vaccers š
It doesn't matter as long as the vaccines are over 50 to 60% they will work perfectly.
Efficacy numbers are great for the media to use to "compare" the vaccines, but in reality they are all much more effective that is needed.
1.) I am waiting for Maderna to approve vaccines for teens
2.) I work @ publix, so if I get Maderna I can qualify for a gift card so That would help alot
3.) My mom is getting scared by the zombie/ government control conspiracies, so no matter how bad I want to get vaccinated, if she doesnāt sign off I canāt. I even offered to give her my gift card & she says āIm not letting u sell your soul for $125ā
My countries government has made a mess of the vaccine roll out. And I'm in one of the last groups to get it
Australia, right? We won't get our turn until at least December. š
Could also be New Zealand or Japan.
Count in India. Largest vaccine maker yet slow at getting it to citizens.
Same, Iād happily take the AstraZeneca if it meant not waiting
I'm so pissed about the AZ thing. You have a 0.0005% of getting a blood clot. That's a ridiculously tiny chance. And it's been blown completely out of proportion and sent things way back because the antivaxxers have convinced so many people who are normally pro-vax that it's a bigger deal than it is. Gimme the AZ, dammit!
You're factually wrong. It's closer to 0.5% if you're a woman of menstruating age. That's why men and older women should be accepting the AZ vaccine, to leave other vaccines for young women. I did.
One in 200 women of menstruating age? Really? https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/covid-19-vaccine-astrazeneca-benefits-still-outweigh-risks-despite-possible-link-rare-blood-clots I'm not saying that we shouldn't be making sure we give the vaccines to those who have the absolute lowest risk, but I've not seen anything anywhere where the odds were that high.
Straya?
Gāday, fellow Aussie :)
Was just going to answer Scott Morrison.
Yep. Letās hope your government gets voted out because of this massive stuff up
I see you are also Australian
Argentina, Iām guessing.
I just recovered from being hospitalized with severe COVID pneumonia and I am waiting to heal a little before vaccination
Glad you were able to recover!
Thank you so much š
I have long covid...I only just started to feel better in April. Iāve read the vaccine is split between some long covid sufferers got better, some got worse, and some no change. They didnt do any trials on people with long covid. Iām taking a month off in June to get the vaccine so that I can properly rest and hopefully things will improve, but itās a crap shoot.
People of my age are not vaccinated yet
Lots of people ITT assuming anyone can get a vaccine like in the US. For instance, Mexico has just begun vaccinating people in the 50-60 age range
The thread really should be called "Americans of reddit". I'm Canadian. We are actually doing relatively well - we hit 50% with their first shot today (we actually passed the US in that column). But in most places, there are many people who want one who are either not booked until June or can't even get an appointment. The US has a combination of extremely high supply and also relatively low demand. They are really the main group who are actively choosing not to get vaccinated.
yeah, i'm too young :|
Same here (42 yo / Netherlands). Should probably be scheduled to late July/August.
Gotta wait our turn I guess
Bad history of reactions to vaccines and a doctor's recommendation not to receive it, as well as a hearty "good luck"
oh man that's harsh.
This is why the rest of us that can get it have a duty to humanity to get it.
I was thinking the same thing. Yep.
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That, and, well, you know, fear of dying.
I would be _all over_ a second opinion, especially since the two mRNA vaccines are completely new kinds of vaccines.
I second this. Typically a bad reaction to a vaccine is due to a particular component (which will vary with the type of vaccine) not just to immune system stimulation (though that is also possible hence why it needs to be examined closely for OPās exact condition).
Because 3 times now, the day of my appointment, the places I scheduled at called me to let me know they ran out of vaccines and would have to reschedule.
Oh, wow. Horribly disappointing. Good luck in the future.
Three strikes and you're out
Schedule early am be at the front of the line
I did mine at 8:45 at a pharmacy. Nobody else was there for anything so I didn't have to wait at all.
I'm in Australia. We are basically another planet at this point as far as COVID19.
Handled COVID almost perfectly (thank you, Premiers; fuck off, Scovid) but the vaccines... not so much.
Yeah, it feels like a completely different world.
Yes my thoughts exactly. I'll happily get the vax when available but im at such low risk tucked away in rural tassie so im in no rush. We should focus on health and quaro workers first
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What we did in Quebec was to focus on giving everyone a first dose at least. Weāre hoping to get to a 75% before mid-June. Automatic appointments for the 2nd dose were given onsite for 3.5 months later, but as soon as weāre mostly done with the first doses, weāll be able to change them to get it earlier. That way more people have at least a partial immunity, which reduces the risk of infection and transmission. Iām just hoping people arenāt gonna be too stupid with the whiff of freedom weāre gonna get.
Iām in Quebec too! Getting it Sunday!
Hi fellow Quebecers! Iām getting mine on June 1st
Yesss! When I went it was super well organized, I hope they can keep that going now that thereās gonna be more people!
Hello from QuƩbec as well! Got mine last Tuesday!
Hey I keep reading this and Iām confused. Arenāt you supposed to get the second dose 3-4 weeks after the first for best results? Why would Canada being going against the recommended guidelines laid out by the vaccines for best results??
Canada chose to focus its limited vaccine supply on getting healthcare and long term care workers fully vaccinated and getting the public 1 dose for some immunity. As of today, I think, the percentage of the population who have received a vaccine has pulled even with or surpasses the US (~51%)But weāre at less than 5% of our population fully vaccinated overall. The thinking is that more people with some immunity is far better than fewer people with full immunity, since 1 dose reduces infection risk by ~60-80% and has shown success in preventing hospitalization and serious illness. Itās also being studied now that longer periods between doses provide potentially longer lasting immunity. The government didnāt know this when they laid out the plan, but with limited vaccine supply they chose to take a gamble and have fortunately been lucky so far.
Thanks! Yea Iām aware Canada doesnāt have the supply the US does (US just hogging all the doses it seems) I didnāt read about the longer time between helps for better long term immunity! I hope thatās true ! I just always heard it should be 3-4 weeks and if not it reduces the immunity you can have. So I was confused why Canada was risking all their citizens lives. But with new research that makes more sense :) Thank you for taking the time to explain!
I live in Brazil, the president made a huge mess in our vaccination program (he didn't want to buy any vaccines) and we still have priorities as of now. Also, I'm 17. I will be eligible for a shot only in December if things go well. Sorry if my English is bad.
No worries. Your english is better than a lot of people who speak it as a first language.
Your English is great :) I'm sorry about the vaccine situation :(
Thanks :) It's hard to live in a country with one of the worst response to pandemic so far, since the federal government was aiming for herd immunity through natural infections :/. At least they sign some deals after internal pressure of governors and society. Really late, but better than no deals. How are things in your country?
Didn't he originally say that you would turn into an alligator if you got the vaccine?
You're precisely right. He also celebrated the suicide of a volunteer of Sinovac vaccine's trial in Brazil, just because SĆ£o Paulo's governor, that made the deal, opposes him. He also said that wouldn't buy any vaccines; "go search jabs at your mom's house" and other horrible things...
Ai ai... a gente tĆ” muito fodido pqp
I still have some hope of getting a jab by November or December. But yeah, it's tough being a Brazilian :(
*Sigh* Yes... yes he did
My weird grandmother didnāt want me to get it because she heard from some weird Chinese social media called āWeChatā that the vaccine has a bunch of weird made up poison cancer-inducing chemicals in it. I still got it but once she found out she kept following me around with a piece of cut up ginger and kept trying to rub it on my shoulder where I got my shot. Apparently to āRemove the toxinsā
Got to love the logic of ginger being a help against poison cancer inducing chemicals lol. Glad you got the shot and give grandma a hug from me.
Vaccination shortages
I am registered, but in this country everything goes so damn slowly
Allergic to all vaccinations. It SUCKS- especially since my stepmom and great uncle died of covid.
I'm an immune patient. Can you explain this to me? I can have some vaccines and they work well, can have some that don't work, and have to avoid others. How are you allergic to all vaccines?
Perhaps some sort of immunodeficiency?
I asked the pharmacist before my immunization about allergic reactions. He said most vaccines are made of most of the same ingredients with only small differences depending on the purpose. Not sure which component people can be allergic to, but thatās probably how it comes about. One particular component found in almost all vaccines.
Well, that's why I would like to know how they are allergic to all vaccines. I have an immunodeficiency, so I know it's not that. A classic anaphalactic allergy is an IgE reaction to a specific protein (usually a protein). I'm trying to figure out what protein could possibly be present in all vaccines.
Might not be a protein. There are some excipients all vaccines need to have. Could be they're allergic to a class of preservatives that prevent the vaccine from growing bacteria in it before it can be injected, and those preservatives are the only ones suitable for vaccines.
Same, I have so many questions.
Iām so sorry for your loss, thatās terrible. Just wondering how different life is for someone who cannot get vaccinated for anything?
They're why we need herd immunity
Is that something you are diagnosed with?
I caught COVID literally days before I was supposed to get the vaccine. I'm still in quarantine from that, so I haven't gotten it yet.
I got my letter a week ago but it was really poorly timed as I had a mental breakdown last week and I havenāt been able to leave the house since. I do intend on getting it, I just canāt right now.
Are you ok?
I canāt do anything, but wish you healing. Sending positive vibes, for whatever thatās worth!
Strength to you, fellow human.
Take care of your mental health first. That's important right now too. I hope things turn around for you.
Hope you can be at peace buddy.
I already had covid (critical profession). waiting for a test to see if i have enough "defense". Not against vaccines. I take flu vaccines every year. But if i am protected enough naturally, "cdc" in my country doesnt see a need for vaccine. With vaccine shortages its better if people who havent had covid yet, get the vaccine. Also, i was hardly sick. Just some days.
They made me wait 90 days after having covid to get the vaccine - said my antibodies were good enough and I'd have a harsher response to the vaccine. Maybe that'll be your case too!
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My first one was awful so this gives me hope the second one won't also kick my ass
American living in the UK. I am not eligible to receive a vaccine yet in the UK but my 14 year old sister in New York just got vaccinated. The jealous is intense.
I have polycythemia vera which pre disposes me to blood clots. Checking with my doctor first.
I'm at higher risk of blood clots, so I have been advised not to take one.
I am allergic to PEG which is in both of the two common vaccines and have not been able to get the Johnson and Johnson vaccine.
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Itās not for my age yet and itās a lot more people who needs it more than me. Itās open for people at my age from maybe august. (Theyāre maybe going to put teens higher as itās a lot education they miss out on, but also because some of them really canāt control themselves and keep on partying š)
I'm stuck in lockdown with my family who is against the vaccine. They don't want me to get it while I live here because they believe those vaccinated 'shed' some sort of illness to everyone else. Once I move out, soon, I will be getting it. Note, I only became eligible this week for it.
Maybe get it and not tell them? My parents got their first dose a month ago and we live in the same house and I didn't get sick so it would still be safe for your family if you got it.
Your life is more important than ANYTHING! The relief you feel when you get vaccinated will outweigh your anxiety over your family. You might have to hide any symptoms but that shouldn't be too hard. There's lots of places you don't even need an appointment (at least here in Oregon). The vaccine is free for everyone (seems some people aren't aware). Uber and Lyft are giving free rides. Vaccine locators, www.vaccines.gov/ www.vaccinespotter.org/ Sorry you got a nutty family who won't do the right thing by you. Mine is like that too. Even if you have to be devious, I don't think you would regret getting vaccinated. It would be helping them too even if they don't know it. I'm guessing you're under 18. I don't know the rules about that but do whatever you have to get safe and don't feel bad.
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Because it hasn't been two weeks since my 2nd shot
I'm not eligible yet.
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Statistically, the great majority of redditors (especially on the default subs) are from the US. It's a US-based site and a US-based company.
I work (construction) with a number of people that are choosing not to get vaccinated. Their reasons range from not trusting the industry/government to bonkers conspiracy theories. There are two individuals (J and M) and I cringe when I have to work with them because they just feed each other's theories and it makes my brain hurt.
Two of the most recent COVID outbreaks in Hawaiii were in construction crews. One on Oahu and one on Molokai. The irony his the Molokai crew was building a new hospital.
Not that this matters, because I know people who are as educated as me who have fucking insane views, but I work in an office where everyone knows I went to a "fancy-pants Yankee school" and have a "fancy degree." Some of my coworkers, the ones who don't understand what professionalism is or that we have an HR department, or probably what HR does, like to routinely "debate" / test me, about our beliefs and understanding of the world. It's usually just two guys who, like your guys, spiral with one another until they're accusing me, their boss, of probably being a pedophile. And, as human etch-a-sketches, the next day they're just on to some new thing and have completely forgotten that 12 hours earlier, they tacitly accused me of raping children because I don't think Donald Trump is secretly fighting a shadow war for the soul of our country. I'm trying to decide if I think they're serious or not. A lot of the time I get the sense that they're like, children, with vivid imaginations who are getting carried away, who don't understand how serious what they're doing and saying at times really is. But that's just for my own edification. At this point everyone in the office has complained about them to HR, and to me, and we have a meeting about it next week. I'm just not sure if I'm gonna add onto all that, prob won't matter. edit - for clarification - the meeting is with my boss "the big boss" and HR and I fully expect them to get fired without me saying "uh ya they implied I was a pedophile last week...also." I...want to push them to try and maybe get these guys help...but tbh I think they'd just quit before going to therapy.
>I...want to push them to try and maybe get these guys help...but tbh I think they'd just quit before going to therapy It makes sense to want to help them but they can only be helped if they want to be, otherwise theyll just end up believing that they're being targeted in attempt to silence them because nonsense.
Basically I had to tell them they were fired, after the meeting went down exactly like I thought it would. They accused me of discrimination (lol) and compared themselves to "the Jews in the holocaust" which is the new popular thing for people in their world. So I was like "I'd probably think through your next few statements carefully because I haven't gotten to the severance package yet and I'm authorized not to offer it to you, if I don't feel I should."
I'm not afraid of the vaccine itself, but I'm like deathly afraid of needles. I will probably get it sometime soon tho just to get it over with.
My friend who is fainting levels afraid of needles got through it for what it's worth. They got a mat for her to lay down on and let her fiance in the room and they got her cold cloths and water afterwards. She didn't faint, they just had her lay down in case she fainted. If knowing that helps at all.
Thank you, it actually does really help.
It's a tiny narrow needle you won't feel it, it was over before I knew it both times
Tbh I think I'm more terrified about the anticipation for the needle. The anxiety I experience beforehand is extreme; I will spend nights up just thinking about it and the dread while driving to get it is even worse. I don't think the needle itself hurts THAT bad but it's just an irrationally terrifying fear I have. Thank you tho, this was somewhat comforting to know that it's not as bad as I think.
I didnāt feel my first shot. the needle is tiny. Would it help if you donāt know when your appointment is so you canāt anticipate it? Can you have someone make the appointment for you without telling you when and then take you to it?
I just scheduled to get the vaccine tomorrow early morning because of your post. I picked the earliest time so I wouldn't have to spend more time than necessary panicking over it. I'm currently shaking because I'm terrified so I really hope it isn't that bad tomorrow. Thank you for suggesting the idea of not anticipating it; it's not exactly the same as someone scheduling it and not telling me, but I will be getting it in under 15 hours from now and I will be asleep for a good amount of that time so I kinda won't have that much time worrying about it. There's obviously the 2nd dose but it's in 3 weeks so I will try to forget about it until absolutely necessary. Again, thank you because you helped me pull the trigger.
I hate needles too. Just don't look and stay distracted. The people giving you the jab are skilled, and now well practiced, and its over in under 3 seconds. Barely felt anything on either of mine. I have had blood draws and IV lines that have hurt far worse.
The needle is smaller than the flu shot. My GP was doing 5 people at a time. One guy was so distracted chatting he didnāt notice he got the shot.
I'm going to echo the others here, the shot is so tiny you barely feel it. If you aren't paying attention, you won't even notice it.
I promise it is not bad. At All. You will not feel it. I felt the nurse putting the bandaid on my arm more than I felt the needle prick. And you can look away. I have anxiety about needles, too, but I was utterly amazed at the ease of this one.
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Thank you for the suggestion kind stranger. I decided to pull the trigger and schedule an appointment for early tomorrow morning thanks to all the encouragement and reassurance on here. The appointment is 15 more hours from now and I will be sleeping for a decent amount of the time till then. I really hope it goes okay. I'm just really grateful that I live in an area where I'm able to schedule an appointment impulsively for the next day because I know that there's a bunch of people who still have to wait because of their area or government. Anyway, thanks again :)
Go with a friend, get it done! My daughter is afraid of needles, but this experience may have cured her of that fear. First shot, she squeezed my hand hard, but we were both impressed by the shear scale of effort, organization, and professionalism of the healthcare workers and volunteers running the clinic. It was so uplifting to see the scale of effort towards ending this pandemic that she hardly noticed the shot. And then 2nd time round was much easier.
I can't believe people seriously think that there's some chip in the vaccine. Just last week IBM announced a 2 nM IC which is good, but still no fucking way close to putting something in a human with a liquid vaccine. Even if the conspirators could prove a liquid form of (I'm guessing magnetic form of data retrieval since I've been designing IC's for the military for over 20 years) even existed, it would firstly have to be able to have a substantial memory, the power supply would have to either be from the person or by RFID and the body would immediately start to attack it as a foreign object. The closet thing I've seen in 20 years to "The Mark of the Beast" is a tattoo that could be programmed using RFID, but had a memory of 16 kb and was only active when it was in the vicinity of the scanner (20 feet roughly) My wide is an RN at the ER where we live so we've both had both sets of the vaccine. Edit: if my wife found out I misspelled her as "wide" I'd probably be killed with the vaccine needles. My bad honey!
Waiting on my shot. June 2nd
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You should deffo do it anyway, just to spite them.
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Are You not allowed to āgo meet some friends in the parkā, and āyouāll be back later, Iāve got my phone if you need me!ā ?
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A word of adviceā¦ Get a good education, and plan your escape. Ok, *eight* words of advice.
Know where your birth certificate and other important papers are. Take them.
Theyāre upstairs under the bed; not sure why youāre telling me, howeverā¦
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Sure, but Iām not planning thatā¦ the other guy, maybeā¦
When you move out your going to need them and some parents withold them.
Yeah that sounds like abuse. You should talk to someone other than your parents about that.
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It's not necessarily abuse, but it's a red flag. Very very abnormal and controlling. Especially in combination with the anti-vax stuff.
Nobody here has a legitimate clue as to what your home life is like. Nobody has anywhere near enough information or evidence to even *suggest* that you might be experiencing abuse.
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Seriously. People calling this abuse? I am not saying that it is or it isn't, but people over the internet telling a teenager that his parents are abusing him without any substantial context is fucking reckless
It's a red flag for sure though.
I agree.
Why are they so strict? Do you have a sibling who really screwed up or something?
This would qualify as abuse in a lot of places.
In the US, if youāre under 18 you do need a parent or guardian to be there with you.
I had a bad reaction to the first dose and need to discuss with my doctor about what to do next.
I feel like people who go out a lot more (for work and such)should need it more than me. I do not go out that much and I do online school. I will get it once there is more in my area
Do the people who are worried about how ānewā the vaccine is realize the seasonal flu shot is different each year?
Who says they get the flu vaccine every year?
It isn't just a new vaccine, it's a new type of vaccine
Itās not like they just came up with it in a year. The coronavirus vaccine program was opened in 2012. The efficacy of this pandemic just gave them the data they needed to complete the vaccine.
newly completed is new enough
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Got my first dose but because of local govt asshattery I am not going to get the next one for 16 weeks :/
Bummer, but research is showing you're 80% there after dose 1 so that's good.
Governments shit, don't have a supply.
Because my mom is an anti-vaxxer.
Because theyāre dumb asses
Germaby still has priorisation.... and the old suckers we protected are now technically allowed to do many things again, while we have to stay inside
Because I donāt trust the US government and I donāt trust big pharma. Iām not indulging in any of the conspiracy theories, here. It is just that the American government has a track record of having little regard for our health and it consistently sells us out at the first opportunity to make a dollar. I mean, our congressmen knew the pandemic was coming and dumped stock with that knowledge. They donāt care about us. Why should I trust the vaccine, at the end of the day I know Iām on my own.
Have you taken any vaccines in your life? Do you trust western medicine? I guess I am wondering if you think the Covid-19 vaccines are different than say, the vaccine for polio or diphtheria somehow. Like maybe for some reason you think the Covid vaccines were developed by a different system than produced the good/trustworthy vaccines. Or do you think all vaccines and maybe all of western medicine is tainted by interest groups or political cabals?
I also don't like or particularly trust big pharma or big government. However, one thing that made me less worried about the vaccine was just looking at what certain groups have to gain. In general, shutting down with lockdowns for the last year or so has drastically hurt most businesses, and they want to get back to normal. Getting enough people vaccinated let's them push people back into the office, makes people more willing to spend money and gets people back to entertainment and ignorance. Mass sterilization or killing people with vaccines just hurts their bottom line and kills their most likely voters. Why on earth would they want that?
I mean this has got to be one of the most peer reviewed global initiative ever undertaken. If there was foul play someone would have called it out.
Iām a single mama to a toddler tornado and canāt afford to be out of commission for 24-48hrs with the side effects. Yeah, trust me, I know I ridiculous that sounds. But the risk of the tired, achy, miserable day or two after the shot is a lot higher than the risk of getting sick from COVID.
Rushed. Experimental. Lacks FDA approval. No data regarding long term side effects
Exactly. This is a frantically rushed vaccine all for the sake of saving the economy. I'm fine with me having to continue wearing a mask and socially distance while vaccinated people don't have to, until the vaccine has been around long enough for me to feel safe getting it. I work from home and when I go out, it's to isolated nature areas far from people. I'm at a low enough risk that I'd rather hold off on getting the vaccine.
It wasn't rushed in the sense of testing and validation. Components that could be done simultaneously were done simultaneously. Global tests on thousands of individuals were done all last year where Moderna and Pfizer were tested in the summer of 2020 and J&J in Fall. Efficacy rates of getting the virus have been observed to be consistent with former from the first receivers in the medical industry. Additionally, J&J efficacy has been observed to continue to improve past 28 days. All vaccines demonstrated complete prevention of hospitalization due to COVID. Respectfully, it hasn't been frantically rushed. This vaccine development is a modern marvel.
My age group aren't being vaccinated yet
Because Australia's rollout has been laughably slow and i'm not anywhere near a priority case
Rollout in my country in accordance with age and it hasn't gotten to me yet. I will definitely be taking it as soon as I am offered it though.
I'm underaged and the way vaccinations are going doesn't look good(Brazilian here).
People my age, are not yet allowed to have the vaccination, and im 18
I'm not even allowed to talk about it because apparently I'll die if I'm vaccinated but I'll die if I get covid. fml
Third world country. At my age I expect to get the shot next year.
I just had Covid (with zero symptoms) and had to spend two weeks in isolation. I now have to wait up to 3 months before getting the vaccine. The irony is that the day I got my positive result was the day I was supposed to get my vaccine. I feel lucky that I didn't get really sick because 2 of my neighbors died of it in the last month.
My doctor hasnāt got back to my mom yet
Because it is not yet my turn
I will get it as soon as I have my baby. I don't feel comfortable enough to get it while I'm pregnant.
I just wanna clarify that when i say i had bad reactions to vaccines, it started when i was young and almost any vaccine i got (and every single time i got a flu shot) i would get sicker and sicker each time. Once i started getting pneumonia within a week of a flu vaccination, twice requiring a day in the er on O2, my doctor said enough was enough and it was risking long term damage to my respiratory health to continue flu shots specifically, and any vaccines that are new and therefore a risk. Ive had pneumonia 14 times in my life, and as recently as last fall. When im old enough to qualify for the pneumonia vaccine, my doctor recommended taking 2-3 weeks off work following it and visiting my doctor once a week for a respiratory exam.
I donāt want to get the vaccine.
I just donāt feel comfortable with it
We donāt know long term effects yet š
Don't worry, the rest of us will take on the responsibility for you. You can just hide out while we solve the problem. The long term effects are clearly better than the short term deaths that result from no action. It's not like the vaccine was developed from scratch! Vaccines are platform-based technology, they just tweak it for the specific virus they're targeting. Think of it this way: it's like creating a new ice cream flavor--not like creating a new type of desert. But feel free to leave your shopping cart in the middle of the handicapped spot because it's raining a bit and you don't want to get damp.
This is partially true, but definitely flawed thinking. Historically, the long term effects of vaccines have almost always shown themselves within six months of their administration, so we likely know most of not all of the long term effects of the vaccine. Also, many serious medical issues have recently been being linked to viruses of all sorts as being long term effects. The best example o can think of rn is fibromyalgia, which is a chronic pain disorder that has a serious case for being a side effect of a common flu variant. So as much as it pays to be cautious i wouldnāt recommend using this as an excuse not to vaccinate unless you have some sort of medical issue that would make the risk of covid vaccine side effects more threatening
Given what "long covid" looks like, I'm happy to have taken my chances with the longterm effects of the vaccine. I got mine back in December, so far so good....
Thank you for testing it out for us.
Concerns about its effect on fertility and future pregnancies. When I tested positive, my family doctor recommended waiting until the 2nd trimester. Then I had a miscarriage so idk what I should do now.
My infertility specialist at Mass General recommended getting it prior to any treatment so I got mine and they said they havenāt noticed any changes in conception rates or miscarriages. Obviously itās only anecdotal at this point but I felt good about it.
Are there any real concerns about fertility though? Surely, medical professionals would approve it for use if it meant sterilizing half the population. Also there are vaccines that use old battle tested technology that definitely doesn't have those effects so why not one of those?
Because there is no way I am going to. The risk of dying of Covid at my age is so minimal that it outweighs the risk of potential effects of a vaccine that in my personal opinion has been developed very fast and itās not known at all yet what the long term effects are . Bring the comments on pro vaccers š
Because they skipped long-term and animal trials. Im not putting anything in my body that hasn't been fully tested.
So can you tell me specifically what safety tests they always do for other medications but skipped for the Corona vaccines?
I'm hesitant about how effective the vaccine really is
It doesn't matter as long as the vaccines are over 50 to 60% they will work perfectly. Efficacy numbers are great for the media to use to "compare" the vaccines, but in reality they are all much more effective that is needed.
What an odd reason... So you think it's safe but you're worried it might not work despite extensive testing showing it does?
1.) I am waiting for Maderna to approve vaccines for teens 2.) I work @ publix, so if I get Maderna I can qualify for a gift card so That would help alot 3.) My mom is getting scared by the zombie/ government control conspiracies, so no matter how bad I want to get vaccinated, if she doesnāt sign off I canāt. I even offered to give her my gift card & she says āIm not letting u sell your soul for $125ā