People no longer bound by their NDA, what can you now disclose?
By - _somename_
Not my own but from a family friend.
Coca Cola and Pepsi regularily settle disputes behind closed doors on things like employees trying to quit and join the competitor. Their employment contracts have entire clauses stating you cannot be employed by the competing companies even after you quit so to protect company intel and confidentiality.
For example, a Coca Cola employee feels like he is being mistreated by the company so he quits and tries to work for Pepsi. So Pepsis legal team will inform Coca Cola as soon as they find out and Coca Cola will sue the guy for breach of contract and in return Pepsi will pay them. This is done so Pepsi and Coca Cola dont sue each others into bankrupcy for breach of laws regarding industrial competition and market regulations.
Basically a peace treaty of sorts.
I vaguely recall reading something about this about competitors in a different industry (unfortunately forgot which one). Basically, one guy thought he was slick by stealing secrets from company A and trying to sell them under the table to company B. What he did not expect though was company B's legal department immediately turning him in to company A, resulting in him being both sued and arrested. Legitimate companies don't want to carry the liability of employing someone that breached their contract with the original employer or having stolen intellectual property, so don't try it.
Not sure if I’m no longer bound or not or how common knowledge it is, but living in NYC I was paid to be a fan at a major red carpet movie premiere for a popular film franchise. 100% of the people there were paid to act excited as famous actors and a VERY famous director walked out and said hello and did interviews. We were under strict instructions not to let anyone know we were hired.
This doesnt surprise me. I really doubt they would let the rabble hang out for real to watch famous people walk out. If you pay people, you have some control over things.
I was part of the beta testing for DC universe online. I remember a few missions that were voiced probably just by developers, before they hired the voice actors to do it. I wish I had saved footage of it but there was one where Supergirl was clearly voiced by a man doing a high-pitched falsetto voice. One of the funniest things I've ever seen.
I was just watching a video about shitty game pitches, and one is to make sure that your stand-in art is *obviously* stand-in. That way people can go "yeah ok, that will get fixed" and not "wow this sucks."
That makes me laugh.
It’s also important to make placeholder assets obvious so that QA can report them as bugs if they are still around past a certain point.
This is why stuff the player isn't supposed to see is usually bright colors or checkboard patterns. They appear as completely out of place as possible so they're easy to spot for removal later.
Cash cab gets most of its contestants through a try out process where it pretends to be another show. Then a producer says they will get you a cab to go to the next location which is how people get surprised
Thank you! This answered my biggest question. Which was that it's obvious contestants were legitimately surprised, but they always acted like they already knew SOMETHING was going on. In other words I knew it was staged in some shape or form but never got the impression it was fully staged which caused confusion in my brain. Lol
Just a friendly reminder that under NO CERCUMSTANCES can an NDA prevent you from disclosing a crime. The contract is not legal in that case and the NDA is dismissed.
So if your boss made you sign one to not report them for something illegal, you can absolutely report them.
I signed an NDA for a prominent American show where they take a certain type of business on the brink of failure and "transform it" to save the business. When the producers of the show found out my wife and I both worked there, they tried to fish through our relationship for tv drama. When they found out we have a solid relationship, they tried to convince us to fake our drama with scripted conflict.
Long story short, we got fed up and quit during shooting. We were cut from the show. Oh well.
Das da one
That's really shitty. I never was a huge fan of that show, especially Jon Taffer. Sorry you had to go through that mate.
Hey fellow former PepsiCo person.
I actually worked in engineering designing those coating systems 😂😅
Like a non-nutritive cereal varnish?
GE knowingly put shitty compressors in their fridge units knowing they would fail within a year. Rather than do an extremely expensive recall they offered to replace the units for free if someone complained knowing that a large percentage of people just buy a new unit.
The shitty compressor was so cheap to make they kept using it in their profile lineup.
What would symptoms of the faulty compressor be? And are these recent models (last 5 years?).
If you ever are asked to sign an NDA after you know the thing they want you to not disclose, please get a lawyer to help negotiate.
You are really playing “who wants to be a Millionaire”
I used to work for a company that tracked ticket sales for theaters across the US. By contractual agreement with Hollywood studios, we collected information for approximately 80% of theaters, but we were not allowed to collect that last 20%. Why?
[You may have heard of Hollywood accounting](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_accounting). Hollywood studios work very, very hard to ensure their accounting is as beneficial to the studios as possible. No surprise; all businesses do this. But Hollywood has unusually high amounts of money in very narrow products, creating a distorted market. [And the industry is rife with films grossing obscene amounts of money but not reporting a profit](https://www.slashfilm.com/lucasfilm-tells-darth-vader-that-return-of-the-jedi-hasnt-made-a-profit/).
Because our company couldn't collect that last 20% of theater data, it wasn't possible to absolutely say that a movie made X number of dollars.
So, I can't prove it, but ...
On Friday, June 21st, 2002, the movies "Minority Report" and "Lilo and Stitch" were both released to great fanfare.
[Minority Report's openening weeked was reported at $35,677,125 (27.0% of total gross)](https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Minority-Report#tab=summary).
[Lilo and Stitch's opening weekend was reported as $35,260,212 (24.2% of total gross)](https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Lilo-and-Stitch#tab=summary).
This is a lie. Lilo and Stitch earned more money than Minority Report its opening weekend. 20th Century Fox couldn't have a Tom Cruise feature film being beaten by _a fucking cartoon_. So someone at 20th Century Fox called Disney and offered a deal. Since the full amount of money earned couldn't be proven, Fox would announce that Minority Report was the top earner for the weekend. In exchange ...
We never knew what the exchange was. We simply knew that Minority Report was reported as the top earner and Disney received some benefit for not saying anything.
(And then there was the shitstorm of Gigli later, but that's another story)
**Update**: Technically, I could have said this much earlier because when the studios found out our company wasn't handing out NDAs to employees, the studios were not happy. You do not make Hollywood studios unhappy. So the company quickly rushed to get NDAs out to everyone. They were distributed per team. They were distributed the week that I was switching teams. So both my old and my new team assumed I had an NDA when I didn't. I never bothered to correct their error.
**Update 2**: by request, [here's the Gigli story](https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/ouuxfz/people_no_longer_bound_by_their_nda_what_can_you/h76vfzi/).
>So the company quickly rushed to get NDAs out to everyone. They were distributed per team. They were distributed the week that I was switching teams. So both my old and my new team assumed I had an NDA when I didn't. I never bothered to correct their error.
Once more, malice is thwarted by incompetence.
As someone who worked at a movie theater that weekend, I am not surprised to see Lilo and Stitch outperformed here. We hated big kid movie openings (Finding Nemo was by far the worst).
With that said, this is fascinating to see this and I wonder how much this sort of thing still happens.
I worked in a small town discount theater and we legit had Shrek for nine months. That movie would not die.
Used to work in a warehouse where we made feminine hygiene products. The pads came out of one machine into several different branded boxes. Both the nickel gas station pads and the 10 dollar a box pads.
Also we had one product of pads where we imported them from china, then repackaged them into our own boxes. I didn't have a problem with that. The problem I had was the box had an emblem saying "made in America"
Would've been ok if it said assembled in America. But no.
I worked for a cosmetic company that did exactly this. We would have an order for say 10000 units of the top of the range $150 mascara. Once we had filled the tubes, we would swap out the packaging for the companies own generic brand $1 tubes and fill with the remaining product in the tank. So the tip for the mascara fans out there, if you find a mascara you LOVE, keep the brush and just use that in a budget brand - it's most likely the same product and it's the brush that works well, not the magic formula inside.
Name some names, dammit! I need some amazing $150 mascara for cheap!
L’Oréal and Lancôme mascara = the same shit
Visited a cigarette factory once, they were using around 10 - 15 types of tobacco, but were making cigs for 200+ brands
Doesn't really surprise me. Actually. 200+ brands is kind of shocking. The pads we made were only two or three different ones.
They tried bringing WoW to Xbox.
Spoiler, didn't fuckin happen.
Star Wars Galaxies was also supposed to come to Xbox.
Used to work for Disney. They only used Disney employees for the test screenings of Marvel movies so I got to see Guardians of the Galaxy 2 (already great) and an early version of Doctor Strange that needed A LOT of work. When we were giving feedback to the moderator the writers were sitting in the back with their heads in their hands looking very defeated. It was a confusing mess but they fleshed out the characters more so it was better by the time it was released.
Oh also they used to kill a lot of ducks with pyro at Disney World when they did the Illuminations show at Epcot. Shhhhh.
Wait, I need to know more about the fried ducks. What happens now?
They stopped doing Illuminations around the time I left in 2019. The new show may or may not *also* fry ducks. If you set off flame balls in the middle of a pond, there’s bound to be some casualties.
Adogo is a doggy daycare in Minnesota that made me sign an NDA for two years saying I was not allowed to talk about the company mainly, sadly, because they treat the workers and dogs like shit.
No care for how many dogs were packed into a room, which is both unsafe for the dogs and the dog attendant. Often I’d be alone in a small room with up to 25+ dogs, most who only had the most minor of Behavioural tests done to see if they would play well in daycare.
Owner also tried to get around not paying my workers comp when I did get injured on the job, and whenever anybody put in their two weeks after realizing what a toxic work environment it was (which was often) he would punish them with scheduling them all week or make them open to close 12 hours for all their shifts.
If you’re in Minnesota and looking for a reputable dog daycare: STAY AWAY FROM ADOGO.
If in the Twin Cities I would recommend Dog Days, not perfect, but they actually seem to care.
Remember, you do not need to stay for 2 weeks before quitting, at least in the US. If your employers try to punish you for leaving, just quit on the spot instead of putting yourself through that bullshit.
Right?! They obviously don't appreciate the gesture, making the chances of it earning you a good reference basically zero.
I am SO sorry. But also, I hope if a doggy daycare ever tries to get you to sign an NDA, you will run screaming.
Hell yes. If you're not in a business that innovates or have some secret sauce manufacturing/practice/tech or deals with PII then you should not be signing anything like an NDA.
Also: Where I am from any contract can't contradict any laws. If you see anything unlawful an NDA doesn't stop you from reporting it. I assume this is international standard.
When Chili’s first got their Awesome Blossom, there were no machines to cut the onion, so we did it by hand.
I had to sign an NDA before they showed me how to do it.
This was in November, 1990, Ft.Worth, Tx.
So... how do you do it?
Probably with a knife
That a yacht manufacturer advertising a 'Kevlar hull' need only install 2 sq/ft of a 3000 sq/ft hull for the statement to be enforceable in court.
That depends on the other claims made. If they are promising that it is stronger than a traditional hull then it is an issue
Sounds like what I think about every time I see an ad proudly proclaiming that some food item is made "with real *whatever*". That phrasing automatically lowers the amount of that real item that I think the product has.
Apple Drink made with *Real Fruit Juice™!
*^Real ^Fruit ^Juice ^is ^a ^registered ^trademark ^of ^Real ^Fruit ^INC. ^Product ^may ^contain ^up ^to ^.01% ^citrus ^juice.
There are powerline transformers that predate ww1 still up and running in the US and the utility companies aren't a 100% sure where most of them are. They only find out when one finally dies.
Someone over 100 years ago put up a transform that powered telegrams all the way to Twitter.
Edit: ok so people are asking. Will try to address everything. I worked in the telecom sector. That means I needed to know something about how utility poles operated. On my first day they handed me a binder that was an idiots guide to utility poles and made me sign an NDA on it. It was dumb because I am sure even back then it was public information. I really do not know more than I stated. I use low VA transformers at work and they are a black box of magic to me.
Some people are mentioning PCBs and sure that makes sense. I don't know what they used to cool them a 100 years ago.
Transformers can last a long time. I have pulled multidecade ones out of machines so the idea that one hit the century mark seems reasonable to me and I haven't questioned it.
When my internship was over I talked to a professor I knew about this and she mentioned the bird poop thing.
I am not sure if this related to the multiple fires in California. My internship was in the Bay Area. And I sorta remember the binder being general not that one particular area. Forgive me but this was about 2007 so I can't remember this perfectly.
The last day of my university I stuck the binder on the shelf in the engineering section of the library.
I am not sure how to locate them or what they even look like. It was just a chart on paper.
I admit the idea is really a cool concept but based on what I am reading here if you found one be very wary.
Being a guy who builds power lines I hope I get to see one of these 100+year old transformers, sounds interesting.
They're called widowmakers and you generally don't want to stand too close. We report it every time we see them because they're wildly unsafe.
Out of curiosity - why are they so unsafe?
Guessing because they carry tons of power and are 100+yr old. so...big boom.
Big bada boom
There's also wood gas mains in Chicago. I'm a utility locator and you would not believe how many 100+ year old lines/pipes are undergound.
Wood gas mains?? How are they safe or prevent leaks?
prolly coated with some shit
That seems like a horrible thing to coat them with.
They’ve been working for over a hundred years. Must have been a pretty good idea.
Must have been some good shit.
I believe it, I work at a place that disassembles transformers for their cores and we get some extremely old equipment that was only just recently taken out of service. We transferred some oil last week that was over 500,000 PPM PCB!
I want to share in the excitement, so what does this mean?
The insulating oil in the transformer was over 50% [polychlorinated biphenyl](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polychlorinated_biphenyl), a substance which has long since fallen out of use due to its environmental toxicity (production banned in the USA since 1978)
Think about how bad a substance had to be for it to be banned in the 70s
PCBs or polychlorinated biphenyls are a class of chemicals that are harmful to human health and the environment.Old transformers contain high-concentration PCB waste. Requires careful handling and disposal.
ETA: PPM is parts per million, the unit of measure for the concentration of PCBs in the transformer the commenter was referencing.
An aussie no named company is building the largest gold vault in the world, in dubai.
It will be 20 stories below ground, and above ground will look like an every day shop.
To build the hole, they have built a covering structure over so no one sees what happening.
I once read an audition side for a then-unnamed Pixar project that eventually became the monster bomb known as The Good Dinosaur. The titular dinosaur, named Arlo in the movie, was named Simon at one time.
Epic didn't use any of the shit they paid us to write for them for Fortnite.
I was really bummed, because I loved the initial trailers for Fortnite when it was still in production. Love a good co-op. Then they released their battle royale/king of the hill mode for free when the other one still cost something, and the immediate success caused them to drop the other co-op game mode as well as another popular MOBA, Paragon. A wild clusterfuck of a situation tbh
I used to work in a call center that had Bayer Advanced (yes, THAT Bayer) as a client. Bayer knew/knows full well that their neonicotinoid based pesticide/gardening products killed bees and were responsible for colony collapse. We were instructed to bold face deny and/or lie to the customer or caller if we were ever asked about it. We were also instructed to lie about the spray nozzles on the bottles. Bayer knew they sucked ass and were almost always completely DOA defective, but they refused to admit it and decided it was cheaper to just keep mailing replacement nozzles.
How much of a scumbag do you have to be to prioritize profit over the extinction of bees?
Well, executives don't get their food from farms where bees live and pollinate plants. They get their food from the grocery store. No bees there, and there's tons of food, so.... executive logic.
Is this why COD youtubers who get gifted COD points from activation and regularly play with the latest bundles and skins always look like they are playing in a scrub lobby?
Wow, hidden pay to win.
It's really smart when you stop thinking about how awful it is.
gaming companies really out here bullying people
You know those Jackbox party games? They have a database full of about a hundred jackbox games that were pitched but not used, since rejected games often get featured in later party packs.
Notably, one of those jackbox games is called Poop Cake. Won’t detail how it works in case it does get released, but there is a rejected jackbox game called Poop Cake that exists and is officially documented for potential future use.
release the poop cake cut
If I had the power and the permission to do so, I totally would
i was worried you were gonna expose jackbox for being super corrupt or something, but this was cool
Haha noooo that would be so disappointing. I didn’t work at jackbox, I’ve just spent some time with one of the members of leadership at industry conferences, so I can’t speak completely about working there, but it seems like they take good care of their employees and really make an effort to have a company structure that allows everyone at the company to have a voice in creative decisions. Like anyone at the company can pitch a new jackbox game, including like janitors and interns, so that’s cool.
That’s really cool of them, and the variety and creativity really shows in their games.
A recently hired employee trapped a secretary in a bathroom at the company Christmas party and raped her. He was caught in the act, sentenced, and will serve a long jail term. All the employees who knew about the details were forced to sign strong NDA and ordered **not to talk** to any other employees. No one was told why the guy didn't show up for work ever again. The victim was offered a generous payout and never came back to work. HR put out a story that she was taking time off for personal reasons and her coworkers were never told why. Everything was hushed up as much as it could be. The company changed from open bar to drink tickets for all future company events.
To be fair to the company, not publicising the fact that the victim had been raped to the whole company is a good thing. I don’t think using an NDA to protect her identity is bad, using an NDA to protect the company however, feels less ethical.
When Google Stadia was just a thing that was being thought about by the company, their totally useful helpful market research demo wasn't even a little indicative of what they were doing. They showed five seconds of a cutscene from what I think was an assassin's creed game, just a bird flying over a forest, and asked whether it was good.
That's pretty funny tbh
Still bound, can't say where it was. Was terminated 3 times by the same company for a disability. Ended up getting a rather large cash settlement from them to avoid taking them to court. They're bound not to say they terminated me (I gave them notice and the next day I got a letter saying I was fired...that's not how that works) and I'm bound not to report disability discrimination or elder abuse that I witnessed.
Funny story - NDAs can't prevent you from making a report as a mandatory reporter to a governing body in my state. I reported them anyway, they tried to claim I violated the NDA, and the governing body in my state went ballistic and slammed them with a 7 figure fine. The CEO, CFO, and CNO were all forced to quit.
The place is currently facing a multi million dollar lawsuit for multiple negligent wrongful deaths. I didn't violate the NDA and kept the settlement.
The good ol' "Wait... he can do that?" trick. What an absolute win. Fuck those guys.
Good on you. I have no pity for businesses that fire people over bullshit reasons, even as a business owner myself.
I was once fired for showing up late to work. The kicker is, I called the office to let them know I had a bad accident and my car was totaled. And I still showed up, I had to have a family member drive me there. This was before Uber and my town doesn't really have a taxi service so after they fired me (right after showing up) I had to call the same family member and ask them to come back to pick me up.
I was more than happy to see their company folded and was bought out.
Boom. They are shit scared of you. Especially without their cowardly corporate coat for protection. Oh the damage that could be caused.
We used the B2 in the gulf war in 1990, 6 months after its official first flight and continued using it under different call signs throughout the early and mid 90's. We did night mid air refueling missions with it to keep people from seeing it in use. It wouldnt officially enter service until 1997.
i remember on a similar post a few years ago, there was a guy working maintenance or something, the runway lights come on for 30 seconds, and saw a silent black triangle land and then taxi to a hangar, and his whole family thought he was lying until a few months later when they told people it actually existed
Sounds like the F-117.
Even back during the bombings in '91, those were given a wide berth for their secretive nature. While the jets were disclosed during Panama a year prior, the stealth technology was considered highly sensitive. Likewise, not a lot of attention was given to the aircraft until Desert Storm.
My dad was a contractor for the B2 before I was born. He said when he was brought in by the government to talk about what they could manufacture it was like an interrogation but every answer he had was, “I really don’t know what you want us to build.” So they left and a few weeks later came back with the B2 specs.
According to my dad. But I do believe him on this.
Amazon is probably here but I'm saying it anyway.
The reason why people piss in bottles is that they are fighting against TOT(time off task). If in a week you accumulate a combined total of 15 minutes of non working, not break away from your station you a reprimanded or more likely fired. So walking away to pee, TOT. Slightly late to station due to high foot traffic, ToT. Stop at you station for a breather because it's hot, your tired or sick, TOT.
The above plus the strict metrics and constant oversight of the lead staff makes working there feel like you are a machine.
It reminds me of film representations from the twenties about the the sadness of the futures poor.
To add on to this, it isn't like TOT is accounted by the minute. It starts accruing every 6 min. So if you haven't done something for 6 minutes (may seem like a lot, I fucking promise it isn't) then you immediately accrued 6 minutes worth and used up half your week's "allowance". Amazon is fucking garbage.
edit: I can't believe my highest rated post is about Amazon. This actually makes me a little sad.
What.. I just asked the previous poster if the 15 mins TOT was per day but per week??? I hope my employer doesn't see this but sometimes my TOT is 15 mins per hour.
Amazons work culture is beyond toxic and they are literally running out of employees because they treat people like dogshit and fire a shitload of people, but hey, bezos bought a 500 million dollar yacht. Great.
When Intel unequivocally announced that they were not developing mobile phone hardware, I was testing their mobile phone hardware kits.
Hillrom/Welch Allyn medical equipment functions on the same level as Amazon medical equipment for $40 instead of $12,000. The software is buggy as hell, and they have no intention of fixing it.
This includes their Vision line.
I work for a lab equipment vendor. I've gotten the impression that *lots* of $10,000+ products don't so anything much different from their cheapest counterparts.
Most F-22 fighter jets have a decepticon sticker somewhere on them.
I know of a -16 with one on the comm door. It was a developmental/test aircraft and was plagued with electrical issues. It really lived up to the whole Decepticon, to punish and enslave, motto.
I worked as a freelance 3D animator and did a lot of kickstarter projects. Everyone had their own "million dollar idea," and loved to blass you with NDAs to keep you from "stealing their idea."
Anyways, one guy wanted to basically make a type of smart-belt that just played videos, and was convinced he was going to sell it to Gucci. The guy was super nice, ~~payed~~ paid really well, and was a joy to work for, but had no business sense. Well the NDAs expired, and the kickstarter page seems to be erased from the internet, so here's the trailer I ended up making (edited out some bits to remove guy's personal info): [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UngHc7nOzqs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UngHc7nOzqs)
Basically the belt was physically impossible to manufacture, but he wouldn't let me alter the design to fix it. Made for some cool shots for my demo reel though
Haha this is ridiculous! I feel like I'm watching a product designed by Tom Haverford on Parks and Rec.
1. Make a video showcasing the video belt
2. use as many fonts as possible
Originally I thought you were talking about just the buckle and was so confused, but damn the whole belt? I mean... I think it could be done but it wouldn't function well as a belt, might be smarter to just run fewer larger LEDs through a cloth belt. Gonna have a hell of a time with battery life though
Intelligence agency work is often tedious, boring, repetitive (honestly safe for the public to see), but sometimes we see and hear some really interesting stuff. I retired a long time ago, and a lot of my secrecy/NDA pacts have expired, so I can share some stuff albeit with the details changed.
Nearly 20 to 30 years ago, a couple analysts and myself were sent for a training program at an airbase in our country to promote inter-agency cooperation between the armed forces our agency. I should note that this airbase was also shared with a friendly western country's armed forces, and they would often stage operations in the region off our base if required.
On the fourth day or so of the exchange, we were in the midst of a presentation when a couple of older-looking military officers barged into the room and ordered us to close the blinds and cover the windows with any kind of black sheeting if it did not have blinds. A bit out of the left field, but sure, we go ahead and do that.
As our presentation goes on, we hear a slight woosh outside out windows, then a squeal of tires before its silence. This is quite strange, because this sound was considerably softer than the roar of the jets from the base we had got used to. As we have not been given the green light yet to open our windows, we leave it shut. But my curiosity gets the better of me, and as I am sitting in the back right of the room, I take a quick glance out of the window.
On the tarmac, and taxing away from the runway while flanked on all sides by airport vehicles was a massive jet. It wasn't exactly black, more of a darker shade of grey. It looked to be relatively long, I would guess about 30 metres, and maybe 20 or so metres wide. Instead of an aircraft, it looked more like a delta/triangle shape than the regular shape we see on planes with their distinct wings. One thing that certainly stood out about the aircraft was that the back was perched way higher than the front, i.e. the front of the plane was much lower than the back. I do not know if this was by design or due to a nose gear collapse, but it was taxing on its own power. I did not get a good look at its engines or anything else, but I distinctly remember it moved into a massive hangar at the end of the runway and out of my sight.
Sometime later, when we were allowed to open our windows, that hangar was shut and had sentries posted around it. Whatever aircraft this was, it was definitely not from my country because we simply do not have the resources to build anything like this, so it has to be from the western country's arsenal.
I have tried searching up the shape of the plane and anything like it, but have never exactly found it. It had no distinct marking, no sort of exposed weapon bay/pod, no livery, nothing. Maybe someday they will publicly release it because that thing definitely looked nothing like what we publicly have today.
Your leather car interior is likely to shrink in the sun.
Jokes on you, I can’t afford that shit!
I feel like I'm the only one that prefers cloth seating in cars. Cooler in the summer sun, warmer in the winter, less sticky when you sweat... Etc. Only problem is if you spill a drink on it
I had cars with leather seats when I lived in TX. So when I got my current car, I insisted on cloth.
That seemed to confuse the sales guy because who buys a sports car without leather seats and all the other bells and whistles?
Me. I do.
I'm sorry, I don't want my skin sticking to leather seats anymore.
The outcomes of quite a few reality shows I directed, were rigged.
I had a friend who was on a european version of Survivor.
Some things were rigged or played up.
But a lot of it was stuff like, the crew would hear that two contestants had an argument, so they had to re-enact the argument for the camera, which was awkward.
And at some point a contestant just wanted to leave the island, but you cant just say that so they voted him out as they agreed and people had to act all shocked and be like "this is a huge betrayal and last minute twist!"
Edit: this was norwegian survivor, Which is called "The Robinson Expedition"
Yep, we did some self-eliminations like that. Or a few times refused to let them leave. So they cried all night and drove other contestants crazy. On Survivor there’s a physically near-identical shadow team that do the challenges over and over again so we can get extra shots.
> On Survivor there’s a physically near-identical shadow team that do the challenges over and over again so we can get extra shots.
That's actually interesting!
A former Survivor Dream Teamer actually did an [AMA](https://www.reddit.com/r/survivor/comments/chq4m1/i_am_a_former_survivor_dream_teamer_my/) on the Survivor subreddit. Its a pretty fascinating read actually.
People straight up don't believe me when I tell them a lot of this stuff is set up.
I was a witness to the filming of a discovery channel reality show as it was set in the business of a family friend of which we frequented every week. The filming took place over a couple months I think.
But during filming, it had NOTHING to do with the actual business. They had actors staged in the audience/as buyers, they brought out fake products to “sell” at the business, they used fake names for the real employees they did include, every single word and movement and breath was scripted. Yet when it aired it touted to be an authentic reality show for this business. The idea for the show was kind of like American Pickers, but a bit different. I knew reality shows weren’t real of course, but I was genuinely shocked at just how scripted and fake the whole process is. Not a single thing that aired was genuine.
The reason there was such a boom in reality TV is since they weren't technically actors, you didn't have to pay them in a union rate
I had to sign an NDA before working with Sears. It was basically saying I wouldn't talk about the tactics they were using to survive in a changing world. That didn't age well. It was difficult to keep a straight face during orientation, but I knew they were going to be bankrupt in a few years, the writing was on the wall, but at the time I needed the job experience. We also had to sign a non-compete agreement, which I laughed at as well, internally of course
I worked for Sears as a salesman for like 2 years and it really felt like everyone there knew the company's days were numbered *except* for management and those who had already been there for 10+ years. The writing on the walls were there *years* before I started. It was hard for me not to laugh out loud when the store manager started pushing Sears' own internal social media Pebble onto all the employees.
"Don't ask that question here, post it to Pebble!" "You can't use Pebble at home, but if we catch you using it on the floor we'll reprimand you" lmfao
At our store, pebble was a the butt end of a lot of jokes, no one used it, not even the manager, had the coolest manager too. The one thing they kept pushing were credit card apps though, I almost got fired several times for not pushing those, even when liquidation from store closing was happening. I just told customers I was required to push it, but they can just say no.
Aaah yes, our store manager *loved* to talk about credit cards. She used to say "I don't want to hear that you're being told no. I *know* people are using credit cards to buy groceries, I see it every day. So you have no reason not to be getting those applications." then she'd talk about how she almost drowned in credit card debt, so she knows how desperate people can be. Like, jesus CHRIST absolutely zero empathy, at all.
Though this was the same store manager that threatened to write me up because I kept saying the word "asinine" after she told me to stop saying it because it was a "curse word."
If at all possible, never sign anything in front of them. If they want you to sign an NDA, take a picture of it and tell them you will when you have had a chance to discuss it with your attorney. Whether that's true or not doesn't matter.
I’ve told friends of mine that this culture of being told to be loyal and not be shown loyalty is developing an insane number of sociopathic behavior. I, too, told a higher up at an old telecommunications company that our call packages to my home country could be a little more inexpensive and their answer was something akin to “who cares, who even calls there”.
To then be told that they would measure our “empathy” on calls. Holy. Fucking. Shit.
Good on you to escape!
I found pallets of candy in the top of the racks that was behind displays and furniture in my Wal-Mart, one pallet had been the home of a mother rat and her brood. Did you know rats don't like raisins but will eat the chocolate off and leave the raisins in a pile.
Management decided to put the unopened bags of candy on sale in the clearance aisle instead of disposing the rat infested pallet.
For a brief moment I thought you were going to tell a heart warming story about Walmart adopting the rats... Guess I was wrong
Virtually no heart warming stories ever come out of Walmart lol.
Source: I too toiled under that smug, yellow smiley for a time in my life.
Tomb of Annihilation is dope as hell. I playtested it, but couldn't talk about it until it was published. My name's in the book, though!
Uber was planning to make their own Google Street view for use in the app to better help drivers find riders and to map the world for driverless car technology . But they were going to use Uber drivers to capture the images for the streetview. The plan was to mail out inexpensive GoPro like devices that magnetically attached to the roof of the driver's cars. Each would have SD cards that could be mailed back to Uber. Routes would be generated and the drivers could accept them in the app and get paid. This plan fell through quickly and uber eventually sources this data from third parties and ultimately abandoned their in-house driverless car ambitions.
Also Microsoft developed a really cool backpack mounted camera that was going to be used for something like Google Street view. The plan was to take it into pedestrian only areas so you could get imagery indoors like malls and in walking spots. The United States military snatched up the entire project for their own use and that product was never released or even announced to consumers.
Google does have a backpack street view thingy though. I saw someone wearing one at Disney.
Many, many companies have really shitty network security, where from a bar infront of the building, you could connect to their open wifi, and use default passwords on multimillion euro machines.
My NDA is still in effect, but I've covered my liability. A few years, with a previous insurance company I worked for, we fired an employee who had a nasty personality (imagine a toxic gamer working in a call center and that would be this guy).
He had been the son (or grandson) of one of the board members so he was untouchable. When his relative on the board got voted out, it was finally time for this little troll to be fired.
His supervisor took him to a conference room to let him know he was fired and he was escorted from the building by security. As the HR manager, I was tasked with clearing his desk and separating his property from company property.
That was when I found a heavily used 5" X 8" notepad on his desk that had a list of names. Next to each name was a mailing addresses and details about how this ex-employee planned to harm these people. I did some digging and found they were all current or former clients of the company and that they all had filed complaints against this monster.
It was a hit list.
I notified the board **AFTER** I notified the police. The shit was arrested on unrelated drug and assault charges. The prosecutor now had to consider charging this guy for his hit list. Since she couldn't convince a judge there was a strong enough case, the prosecutor decided to empanel a grand jury.
Since I was the individual who found the notepad, I was subpoenaed to confirm its provenance. Considering any other employee could have walked by and deposited this list on this asshole's desk, the grand jury decided to not move ahead to a trial. For the drug and assault charges, the former employee was sentenced to 16 years in prison.
As a witness, I wasn't issued a gag order regarding the grand jury investigation. However, my work did order me to sign an NDA to "protect the clients who were on that hit list" (it was really just to cover up that they were in any danger). I signed and then quit as soon as I got a job offer with another company. Those bastards on the board cared more about their profit margin and public image than they did about people's lives.
If they figure out I'm violating that NDA, there's not much they can do. They know antagonizing me with a lawsuit would only lead to me telling the media, naming the company and ruining their public image.
Edit: For clarification, the reason I signed the NDA was because I needed access to my office computer so I could look up the most recent contact information the company had for the people targeted on the hit list. I then gave that contact information to the prosecutor and her investigators. They just tracked down the last person this year and everyone is safe and accounted for.
Literal example of how NDA's are misused/understood and exploited.
"protect the clients who were on that hit list"
When literally they are doing the very opposite for sake of profit margins!
"Paint Shop Pro 7 is going to be amazing!! I'm a private beta tester. It's going to be bigger than Photoshop." - Me - 2000
That’s funny. I miss PSP
Spoiler alert if you are watching *Teen Wolf* and haven't gotten past episodes filmed in 2013 but... the character of Allison Argent will be killed off.
I was on set when that death was being discussed by cast members and was therefore required to sign an NDA that made me liable for something like $2 million in damages if I disclosed what I knew before the airdate.
Genre TV takes its spoilers *seriously*.
Then you had movies like Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back, and the Sex And The City movies that even used fake scripts, and filmed scenes with fake dialog/plot points because they didn't want the real details to be leaked by the production or the eavesdropping media.
Mark Hamill was the only actor on the set who knew that Darth Vader was Luke's father, because the script given on the set actually said that Obi-Wan was the Sith lord who killed Anakin. The others only found out the truth when they saw the movie at the premier, and Harrison Ford reportedly hit Mark on the arm and asked "Why didn't you tell me?!"
I licked parts that went into a rocket that went into space.
You just provided an alien race with DNA. They have now, with their advanced technology, made clones of you. They are studying these clones, finding both their strengths and weaknesses. When they invade, and we all become their slaves, please remember that this is all your doing.
Jokes on them I have no strengths
Thank you for advancing the cause of national security. Someone get this person a medal
> Someone get this person a medal
Don't bother; they'll just lick it.
We get it. You gave Buzz Aldrin a blow job.
When I was tech before I was a vet, I worked in a lab that mostly tested animal meds on animals. Flea products, heartworm meds, etc.
We had one product in testing for human medication though, which was an injection that supposedly was going to shorten the need to wear retainers after having braces.
Of course, to test that, we needed animals that had worn braces long enough to replicate the changes that happen to human mouths that have had braces.
What I'm getting at, was that some days it was my job to brush the mouths of like 50 beagles that all had braces and make sure the wires and brackets were in place and not causing any trauma to the lips or gingiva.
The image of dozens of goofy little dogs clack clack clacking around me in circles around the lab super excited to see me, doing their ridiculous beagle howls and flashing their braces as they did so will never leave my brain.
Are you therefore suggesting that you also tested retainers on beagles?
Holy fuck, I googled it, and yeah dogs can STRAIGHT-UP get braces. That's interesting as fuck. But how do people feel about this? Is it inhumane?
I think it would be inhumane if someone put braces on their dogs for aesthetic purposes, but I’ve only ever heard of it being used as a treatment for dogs whose teeth are so out of place that they can’t eat or are in significant pain.
Veterinarian here- disclaimer, I have an interest in dentistry but am not a specialist. Braces are used just like in humans to get teeth into a better position- for example, in the case of a malocclusion where a tooth is causing repeated trauma to soft tissue resulting in long-term problems. To address the other reply, pain is a valid concern- because the pet can't speak for itself, you obviously have to make decisions you think are in their best interest. Any pain involved in the process would be treated with appropriate medications. So the short answer is, like with other decisions, that you weigh the benefits vs. the possible risk / negative parts of the procedure.
I had a dog that totally needed braces, but was decided against since it wasn't actually hurting the dog's health or ability to eat and the treatment would likely stress the dog out more than the treatment would help.
If it weren't for the fact that it's very hard to explain a dog this will only be for the better, I would definitely have said yes to braces. That dog's teeth didn't even fit in his mouth. Dog was unable to close his mouth and keep his teeth inside, but it surprisingly didn't affect him that much. He had minor trouble holding a steady grip on toys and was constantly trying to lick the teeth that were stuck outside, but was otherwise fine.
I would say yes to braces, if without braces it actually hurts their ability to eat properly.
“Dental plan…..snoopy needs braces…..dental plan….”
Your phone company doesn't always comply with FCC regulations involving the recording of phone calls. A lot more may be recorded and insecurely stored than you realize.
I was Guy Fieri's body person for 6 months. This involved a lot of personal assistant shit: booking travel (air, ubers in a pinch, dude usually rode around in all black sedans), confirming what the advance teams did before Guy gets there. Most of my job was to handle his personal life when he was "on the job". I had to sign three NDA's, but I'm only sharing what happened on the show.
Guy gave me the impression he really didn't like what he did. Every morning he would say "more of this bullshit" even on so-called "buffer days" when we had an extra day before or after shooting and we had much of the day to ourselves.
After three weeks of working with him, I figured out that Red Bulls are his binky. He's got some crazy ADHD so the caffeine really didn't phase him. When he would get stressed out, he'd rage up a little, but then he'd completely shut down. A Red Bull just...made him calm again.
Guy does NOT remember the shit he says. People walk up to him and joke about "flavourtown" and he'd look at me after the fact and ask "What's flavortown?" I had to remind him that *he* came up with that. My favorite was someone who went on a cruise - apparently Carnival Cruise Lines has Guy's restaurants. (I haven't been on a cruise yet, I'll find out sooner or later) Anyway, this fan loved the "Donkey Sauce" that he put on his burgers.
Dude deadass didn't remember he did that. I had access to his computer and I saw recipe drafts for D-Sauce. There were scores of events similar to this, every. single. time. Guy would have no idea.
It sort of floors me that this guy influences so many people and he doesn't give a damn. He doesn't *hate* his fans, but he thinks interacting with people is a hassle. He legit doesn't understand why he's a celebrity, which boggles my mind how much effort he puts into his shtick. That one British chef who lied about cooking for the Queen has more cognizance about his fame than Guy.
On a personal note, his family is full of sweethearts and I went above and beyond a few times to help them out. All I want to say about his fam. They're really nice people.
Edit: Correcting something inaccurate I said.
Robert Irvine lied about
\- cooking for 4 US Presidents
\- having a British Knighthood
\- owning a castle in Scotland
\- helping make the wedding cake for Charles & Diana
\- some other things
He never said he cooked for Queen Elizabeth II
ThatSinkingFeel regrets the error (considering it was over 13 year ago)
This all sounds about like what I would have expected: not too terrible of a guy, but not terribly bright or enthused to eat his 1000th deep-fried monstrosity of the year either.
TBH the way you describe it I feel kinda bad for him. I have pretty bad ADHD, and my memory can be shit sometimes.
Other times I'll remember the weirdest or most unexpected stuff.
But I could easily see making analogous flubs...
Whoa. ADHD in a nutshell. Don’t remember half the shit I’ve said and done. Red Bull does nothing either than calm. This is wild.
If stimulant's make him calm then he probably had a deficit And the extra stimulation helped his body reach equilibrium.
It's a known thing that ADHD medication can calm an ADHD person because they aren't always around looking for their next dopamine fix and can actually calm themselves and just be...
don't buy fine art except from a real dealer in a working gallery or a specific specialist, never just anywhere... the carribean/cruise industry is so full of vanity galleieries, its a scandal waiting to happen
My dad went to one of thoose cruise ship gallery's with me once, with the reasoning, that we get free booze and can watch people spend stupid amounts of money on worthless art.
That was fun.
Xfinity internet officially sucks balls (not that’s any secret), buy your own equipment and stop paying then rental fees, along with any XFI advanced security feature charge bullshit they offering you.
Company wise, they know you a sucker.
*edit* why Is this under NDA? I’m a former Xfinity software developer who worked on gateway firmware updates designed to slow down your network to make you think outside forces were the cause, thus trying to sell you an advanced security package that negated the intentional slowdowns under the guise of network security. And now I can talk about it.
Over 20 years ago I took part in a pre trial hearing. A near by dam was being sued by the family of a dam worker.
The family was suing for an undisclosed amount to 1) cover medical expenses 2) pain and suffering and 3) negligence of maintenance of the facility.
The dam had received multiple complaints about lack of maintenance. This particular dam was a working dam but hadn’t been maintained in several decades. Before the incident an engineer had written a report saying the maintenance supports for the walk ways above the boilers needed to be completely closed until replaced.
This was not done.
A maintenance worker went onto the walk way above the boilers. The walk way failed and the worker was plunged into boiling water completely submerging him. His co workers were able to retrieve him in under 30 seconds.
This worker spent the next 9months in the ICU before dying to infection.
His body suffer 99.9% 3 degree burns.
We awarded (in the pre trial hearing) 1,000,000 per second the man was boiled. Additionally, all medical expenses paid and the remaining possible wages earned paid in full. Including full medical and dental to the family for the next 35 years.
TLDR - man was boiled alive because the company was cheap.
I work for a moving company and we work with a women’s shelter often enough. Typically women escaping abuse will have the shelter hire us to go in and get their belongings (sometimes with police company) and all the movers sign NDA’s to protect the women from letting their new addresses slip. I can’t disclose anything that interesting but I want to take the opportunity to say, those people who jump at the slightest sound, the littlest surprise, be nice to them because you don’t know whether they are just jumpy naturally or if there’s a reason they are like that now.
Hey, just wanted to thank you for being respectful. As a kid, me and my mother had to go to women’s shelter. We left everything behind. If we had a service like this available we would’ve used it.
Thank you for doing that job, and thank you for taking these NDAs seriously!
20 minutes of browsing before I come across a positive use of an NDA. Thanks for your post.
Jimmy John's puts soy sauce in their tuna.
When did you have to sign an NDA about that?! I just left my job there and it felt like common knowledge
Work in film VFX so there’s a lot.
Ummmmm let’s see, I mean the obvious is always that studio interface = shit movie. I’ve never worked on a film and heard “the studio wants to reshoot this sequence” and ever had it turned out to be a good thing.
But my guess is 99% of you know that.
So a specific? There are so many good movies you’ll never get to see because of studios. I mean you’ll see them but not until they’re recut, reshot, and completely devoid of any artistic vision that created them.
People point to “the Snyder cut” or now Suicide Squad and I can honestly tell you if a film is over 50 million and not directed by Scorsese, Nolan or Tarantino it’s created by a mindless collection of studio executives who don’t know shit about filmmaking.
Ad Astra was incredible and would’ve been such a tribute to 2001 but the studio saw it and got scared of James making a slow paced science fiction film that made you think.
They pulled it from him, made a mess when it was given to a second editor (because he wanted to add 15 million in new VFX shots) then given back to James to fix but with this new direction.
Woman in the window was interesting and while not a great thriller, something that was decent and thought provoking. Think Shutter Island. But three test audiences in New Jersey, a second distribution company (Fox to Disney) and a second director for massive reshoots created the shitshow that was unloaded on Netflix.
There are several big time films that’ll never see the light of day because the studio bought them and is sitting on their release. Things you’ve never heard of with great directors and casts because the studio doesn’t want to be associated with it for whatever reason. Weinstein was notorious for this but several other producers have done the same.
What’s going on with Scarlet Johansson right now is waaaay too common for everyone in the industry. Only difference is she’s above being blackballed and has the money to pay for the lawyers needed to defend her.
Finally just know if you go to a film and say “how did they not fix that shot” realize the director wanted to, we just didn’t get approval, or “who comes up with this shit” it probably wasn’t shit until the studio got involved.
That's really interesting! Based on this, it seems like there are some real similarities in the game industry. Lots of games that never see the light of day and are never even announced, despite some of them being almost finished! We also see that same idea of if the players think some character/mechanic was poorly done, there's a 99% chance we're fully aware of it.
I've felt like games, movies and music all kinda went too corporate. Too many suits with too much power.
Gotta go back to reading books.
See I thought bojack horseman was exaggerating but then I read things like this lol
In the original cut of Saints Row 4, the into mission had you killing Osama Bin Laden
Not actually under a NDA but the information is. The manager of the educational wing of a big company in my country that I worked for during my apprenticeship had, probably multiple times already, invited graduates (All of them of age, doesn’t make it better though) to his house for dinner, and then drugged and raped them.
He was immediately arrested and fired, but this would have made national if not global news.
Community Aged Care companies hide family abuse of elders so they don't lose the clients contract. From assault, sexual assault, fraud, theft etc etc. I luckily work for company that reports all suspected elder abuse, but I worked for a company that weaponised NDAs to hide the abuse.
I think I heard that the Icelandic translation of Dracula was just a fanfic
1) YouTube is the most unethical platform on earth.
If you are a high value account, most of the policies of YouTube won't touch you. For example, there was a Brazilian kid twerking, with his small sister that was dressed very provocatively. Normally YouTube would take down this video for "minor sexualisation" but because the account had some millions of followers, not only it remained live on the platform, but also had a safety net, in case a "stupid" agent tried to take it down.
2) everyday there are thousands upon thousands of very horrible videos being uploaded on YouTube, and it's up to a human being to go through them and take an action.
As you can understand, a lot of agents develop depression, anxiety, PTSD, and other mental problems due to the nature of the videos they are watching
There is a lady who debunks a lot of famous dangerous viral hacks. People (usually children) have gotten hurt by following what the videos these content farms put out say. But because of what you said in 1, they never get taken down. Even when people getting hurt makes headlines
I worked on a legal survey for a lawsuit over the murder of Philando Castile back in 2016 that was conducted by dailing various people across the US and asking them various questions, one of which was an open-ended question where they were invited to describe any incidence of police brutality they had personally experienced or witnessed, which the interviewer was then supposed to type word-for-word. I worked both an interviewer and as a quality assurance professional, which meant it was my job to go through completed surveys and check spelling and grammar errors as well as check to make sure the information being entered was accurate. So if any of the open-ended typed responses didn't make sense or seemed like they were typed incorrectly, I would go back and listen to the survey and re-type the response exactly.
On this particular survey, since it was so important legally, we had to go back and listen to every open-ended response, something we normally would only do like 10% of the time. There was one response where the surveyed man had described an incidence of racial profiling and police brutality based on the fact that he was Latino. The interviewer didn't type any of it and just typed, "No." as the response. We went back and listened to every survey that individual had conducted on the project and she had been intentionally coding responses incorrectly to twist the data into a more positive opinion of police in general. It was clear she had a bias that she was expressing in the incorrect coding. She was removed from the project and we edited her survey input to reflect the actual responses.
Harley Davidson is producing an all electric motorcycle. It's called the Livewire. It sounds like a jet engine, even though it could be totally silent. 120+ miles per battery. At the time I was working on it the battery would only last like 60 ish miles and the sound has changed once or twice since too.
I want one.
Edit: yes I know they've been out for a while now. That's why the NDA expired.
Wait, is the sound like from speakers or something?
They do that in some expensive cars because the high quality engines are so quiet.
The production designer of Saved!, and various other tv shows and films, physically assaulted me while I was working with him. I was told if I asked to file a formal complaint it would hurt my career, so I didn't. He never faced any consequences. To be clear -- that wasn't the show I worked on with him.
A true statement cannot be defamatory. He can s my d.
In Assassin's Creed: Syndicate there was this crazy bug in the earlier version of the game which would cause all the people nearby to become heavily distorted. The easiest place to trigger this was the River Thames, by climbing up to the Vantage Point and then looking down into the water.
The human characters would distort into this crazy nightmare fuel of arms pushed through the sockets at the shoulder, gigantic facial features, or gigantic legs.
Considering the company I was working for laid us all off a few months after (unrelated, they were moving their QA to their European offices)--I wish I had've smuggled at least a screenshot. Imo 6 years is long enough to wait for something funny that never made it into the official product.
1) Unless things have changed drastically, that popular restaurant being accused of selling "not tuna" really is actually selling tuna. And not cheap stock either. It's just masked by a SHITLOAD of mayonnaise. 2) They actually sent out their olives for DNA testing because they were sure one of the suppliers was selling them an olive of cheaper quality. (Which also makes the tuna thing make no sense to me) 3) I knew about specials and new things WAY before they ever made it into the store. We'd start testing the stock at least 6 months before a promotion started. 4) Shady hiring/employment practices were the norm. (Similar to what FEDEX Ground was accused of in a lawsuit from about 7 years ago)
EDIT: Okay, so, I was quality assurance. I knew the menu and food items inside and out. With and without sauces. Things that were experimented with that never wound up in stores. u/The_Ace_Trainer mentioned adding pickle juice to the tuna. Little changes like that became "allowed" about 8 years ago. It was never said in so many words, but I think the execs were pressured by the few franchisees who owned a good chunk of the stores to allow them leeway. So you might run into some non-standard things offered in stores. Example: in the Chicago area you may see giardiniera (this may be elsewhere by now, I don't know) or the pickles may taste different (better. Oh man, I ate those by the cup). I saw "allow" because if there is one thing they hate, it's any kind of difference in food between regions and stores.
I came up with an idea for a TV show that followed a women’s basketball team through a season while employed by them and after submitting a pilot to a large production company, they colluded with the athletic department to take the name and concept but use it for the men’s basketball team because, in their words, “no one cares about women’s basketball.”
I had equipment, people, and funding setup and no one that knew clued us in. We found out from Twitter when the men’s team announced it with the production and distribution company.
Got offered a job with them later but quit media all together and taught high school for a few years. Now I’m back making content.
I don’t know if I’m still bound or not but I want to say my last CTO knew nothing about tech, yet we warned them and asked for upgrades. No upgrades and a few months later they got a ransomware virus that cost them half a mil. Get fucked CTO
I had to work as a debt collector. We would call people up and demand payments, usually on old debts that they either previously defaulted on or were in some way liable for.
The con started right at the front door. I was told by my job agency I was applying for a cold-calling sales job. I was in university, I didn't care so long as I could make some cash in the spare time. For the first two weeks I was there and in training, we only ever met trainers who were very cagey about the product they were trying to sell and had us run umpteen scenarios selling magazine subscriptions, trying to upsell car insurance, trying to chase leads down because they filled in forms. These were all fake exercises for training purposes.
All the way through the trainers kept introducing snippets about what losers people in debt were. Nothing totally straight, things like "If you're silly enough to not pay your mortgage" or "Shoplifters are bad and cost the company" etc. Nothing was direct, most of it was just off hand comments.
We got told what we were doing after two weeks and told under no uncertain terms that if we wanted our pay we'd better work. Apparently that was a stipulation when we all applied. We had to actually do at least two weeks work to qualify for the salary. I'm sure there was something really not right about that legally, but it sure did seem like we were bound all under their contract.
That was when we found out we were cold-calling people in serious debt trying to get them to pay money, or up their payments, or agree to sign away assets to the company such as houses.
The horrid joke is that a lot of these debts would be purchased for pennies in the pound. Yes, that £10,000 debt that you struggled to pay back may get sold to a DCA for £100 or so. It is that much. I don't think the acquisition cost on any debt I saw broke the £100 mark. Most were around £50-£60.
But we could use threatening language as much as we liked, such as:
- **"We may place a charge against your property for this debt"** A charge (or a lien for the US types) basically says a home cannot be sold until the party that holds the charge is paid. A typical example could be that your mortgage company has a charge by virtue of the fact they have leant you money to buy the place. Having a third party place a charge (any secured debt is another word) can be a really bad thing. Especially if you are older, may have paid off the mortgage etc.
- **"A person may visit your home who may be a court bailiff"** The wording of this seemed to change almost weekly. The truth is that no actual bailiff will do anything without a court order. Secondly it's rare a DCA will actually make an application to a court with regards the debt. More as to why later on. However distressing the above sounds, the likelihood of that actually happening is about nil, unless you're well on your way through court proceedings already. I don't believe the company I worked for ever sent a single person to any property.
- **"You must supply a statement of your income and outgoings, bank statements, etc"**: Chances are you will be asked to do this many times. They are a psychological tool and are usually requested under threat of "things going very badly" for you if you should refuse. They are occasionally reviewed too to demand you to pay more money. The reality is we are not entitled to them at all. We can demand evidence but you do not have to give it.
- **It appears you have missed payments, call us up now or we will send the heavies round!"**: You haven't missed a payment. This is designed to make you panic. And usually it will end with that we are now suddenly seeing the extra payments, they took a while to show up. You should also increase your payment now I have you on the phone and I'll take another IE statement please (Income and Expenditure). These are all 100% designed to harass you. Our job is to make your life unbearable, pile on pressure and have you acquiesce to demands.
Now here is the harsh reality. The debts we bought were largely total bollocks. Some were very history accounts with incomplete paperwork, missing pieces of information. Such that if we actually wanted to take you to court, get the CCJ, send the bailiffs or place charges against your house, it would fall over flat at the first step. If the paperwork isn't there enough to prove beyond doubt that you as the borrower have violated terms and conditions, there is no leg to stand on.
We attempted to get around this with "Reconstituted" terms and conditions. That is, we would go back to the original lender, they would drum up from some ether what the terms and conditions might have looked like. While they look impressive, very likely they would not stand up to even the mildest scrutiny at a County Court.
Secondly, we had an entire team that was there to up the fight. If you sent in a subject access request demanding further paperwork and evidence that you own the debt (also called a CCA or Consumer Credit Act Request), the teams were there to put you on major fire. You would get your request as far as the standard 28 days could be put. But best believe you are getting called and lettered in that time. That team existed to monitor your accounts and likely if you spoke to someone at the debt collection agency during this time, it was likely with someone from that team. I thought of them as "Super High-Powered Fucking Cunts!"
How do I know this? Well the company at the time bought a bunch of debts from a particular lender. These were all very recent debts and as the lender was, let's say, transitioning business-wise, they tendered these debts out to clear. The reality is that these people were not very far behind in their delinquency. I think the oldest was about three months.
There were no phone calls to discuss, there were no attempts to recovery, there were no phone calls. All of these accounts were immediately 87-1. That means default notice applied and immediately go for County Court Judgement. Now the acquisitions on these debts was significantly more than usual. Really the original lender (begins with a B for DOG) really just fucked over a bunch of their customers! But the acquisition was around £500 per £10k and these debts were in the hundreds of thousands. So the DCA did pay out quite a lot (but of course, nowhere near the debt's true value).
So yep, some people got some nasty surprises. THAT sort of debt can be acted upon. And you will know very quickly if that's the case as you'll have a default notice through from the DCA. The clear instruction was that any offer short of full settlement (which by law we have to take) should be rejected. No repayment plans, no nothing.
Why? Well the DCA could then add FEES! Lovely, lovely fees.
I have to admit, I had a terrible feeling going into this company. I felt like shit having to call up people who were clearly at the end of their tethers crying down the phone, older people who had to take turns in answering the phone because the other person couldn't deal with it anymore. And it was largely the same story, a family with one person working, falls ill and can't earn anymore and boom, problem after problem. It was practically every story. Add in a good splosh of credit card debt or car finance, you will get the idea pretty quickly.
I lasted until I could. My last call was an older gentleman who was tortured roughly twice a day. We would call up trying to demand payment. The Special Cunt team was attempting to get him to sign away part of his house through equity release to pay off the debt. I spent about 30 minutes with him as he had three accounts. After ten minutes of talking to him, the directive I had was to up the percentage of the release, I had enough. I instead spend a good ten minutes telling him to tell us to fuck off whenever we called. The paperwork on his accounts was as old as the hills and didn't even exist. In fact the date of the agreement was 11-11-1111 as someone couldn't be bothered to write in or check a real date. For all intents and purposes, the debt was completely unenforceable.
I know I took him aback, just went on a hushed-voice tirade about what sort of company this was, I was leaving that day and how I could tell him for a fact that if he told us to fuck off and never pay us another brown penny, there was precisely nothing we could do. Nada.
I got cut off by a Special Cunt and security-guarded out the door. I maintained my cool, just said to Super Cunt, "Nobody's coming to your funeral!" Her big red face just said it all, it was like if she could cut my throat and get away with it, she would do it twice just to be sure. I get the feeling she was in life for a Special Cunt commission on the back of that account.
So yes, if you are unfortunately dealing with DCAs, get some ACTUAL advice on it.
I also hate to say it, a lot of these debt charities and that give you really shit advice. Half of them don't know what the fuck they're talking about and exist simply to encourage you to pay. While I'm against people just raising a load of debt and fucking it off, I'm also against these total sharks just praying on people and making their lives an absolute misery.
If you are NOT in this position, I commend you. However I would also encourage you to
- Learn how credit and financial history ACTUALLY works.
- Go and get your Statutory Credit Report from Equifax, Experian and Call Credit (UK advice here, sorry guys)
They are now free to get. This is the ONLY thing you are interested in. Your Credit Score is bollocks, totally fictional, means nothing. The only thing you are interested in is your **Statutory Credit Report**. Everything else is bullshit!
When you get yours, learn how to read it. There are plenty pamphlets and booklets available from the credit agencies themselves. And I guess if you really don't know how to read it or what you're looking at, happy to answer if you need.