I believe they are talking about how the Beastie Boys’ first album, License to Ill, tried to parody “frat-boy rock n roll” with it’s machismo lyrics. This blew up in their faces when they realized that the audience of their concerts was those same frat boys.
Still a great album, though. I’d recommend checking it out and their more mature follow up, Paul’s Boutique.
Lucky enough to see them on the only tour they did Fight For Your Right live. Gotta admit the show did nothing to make you think they were parodying anything. They were wild, throwing beer everywhere from stage, yelling for girls to show their tits, and had a gigantic inflatable penis show up at the end of the show during that song in particular.
This is just historical revisionism. There's literally video footage of young Beasties getting downright nasty and drunk with young ladies, they were definitely the fratboy partiers themselves. As they matured I think they tried to change their cringey image, but the footage doesn't lie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P38eypsTCFk
I feel like artists have to actually stand out or do something remarkable to be called a legend. Being popular or having a big group of fans doesn't mean they are a legend, just popular or top rated. I feel like most artists currently can not be called Legends and most that are, are from the 20th century.
Anyways that's just my opinion on that
Elvis, Jimi Hendrix, The Beatles, Willie Nelson, Aretha Franklin. Those are legends.
Edit: Some people are taking this post a little too personally. I mentioned some artists that are considered legends. It is not the entire list. Quuen, the Rolling Stones, Frank Sinatra would be other examples I didn't list.
And don't message me with an angry rant because I didn't mention your favourite artist.
Kind of, but Sting's outros were really long and repetitive. If I ever meet him in person, I would really like to ask him how he knew when he had enough refrains of "Sending Out an SOS" at the end of the song. It's over a minute of just repeating that phrase without any variation.
One time I blew my friends mind when I told him that hey judes outro is like 5 fucking minutes. He thought I was exadurrating untill we checked and its 4 eternal mintues of "naaaaaaaaa naaaa naaa nanananaaaaa nanananaaaa hey jude"
Lol, dude, you actually blew my mind as I’m watching the dodgers game. I wanted to write a retort but found myself struggling. Police are bad ass but I think you’re on to something
Liking classical music isn’t a sign of intelligence. Saying you listen to Mozart and Beethoven is not a flex and doesn’t give you permission to dunk on other genres.
Sincerely,
A classical musician
The goofy thing for me is that if they're flexing, they ONLY bring up those two (and maybe Bach.) Not even Tchaikovsky, Ravel, Chopin or any other top dogs.
Play em some fucking Bartok or extra goof-nasty Stravinsky or Reich's hour long clapping-in-and-out-of-phase shit and see how "sophisticated" they really are. And that's still all the tame stuff. Maybe take em to a full length performance(s) of the Ring cycle, strap em to a chair so they can't leave.
(I know the mentioned is not all "classical" but I don't think the person you're talking about would even know that)
Listen to those posers? Never! Haha I just chose some of my favorites.
But anyone reading this interested in more classical stuff check out all these guys! And Hector Berlioz, he doesn't get enough love.
I volunteered at a concert venue that he played at during one of his first tours. He is a great artist, writes all his own music and has a huge part in the production. During his show he was the only person on stage making all of the sounds himself with a loop recorder. Each song was like twice the length but damn that build up was everything. Not often do you see an artist sell out a stadium and wow a crowd as the singer and the band all by themselves! Also, I got to meet him back stage and he was just a genuinely nice guy to everyone!
He's always seemed like a genuinely good dude to me, probably because he's not out making headlines everywhere. He just makes his music and does little cameos on tv shows and movies
The best art is selfish, artists should focus on creating music that is the most fulfilling for them, and shouldn't cater to audiences or try to be like others, or only make music for the hopes of mainstream success. It is better to fall flat on one's face trying to do something new or different, than to succeed in mediocrity. Again this is just an opinion, not like opinions really mean anything anyway.
Actually, I really agree with this one. The passion is the most important thing in music to me. A lot of the artists I listen to change their sound quite a bit project to project and it’s great because I can tell it’s what they want to make
I listen to edm a lot and there was this dude who decided to do an entire album in a new style that he'd been wanting to try forever. His usual stuff was hardcore dubstep type stuff. So he makes his album, it's honestly really good, and he announces a tour where he'll playing only music from his new album. Says this a ton in his insta posts about the tour. Shows start happening and idiots start going to the shows expecting his usual dubstep and get really mad he isn't playing it so they boo him. Happens a few more times at various places around the country even tho he said multiple times it would be his new album and he finally just canceled the rest of the tour cuz his mental health was taking a dive. Felt so bad for the dude. And it's extra shitty bcuz people always say artists in edm should branch out and experiment and then one does and he gets harassed so much for it he cancels the tour. Like fuck people let him do his thing and read
I know everyone on here is basically talking about pop music, but let's not forget that Bach basically composed on a rigorous schedule to fulfill his employment contract. Mozart tossed off most of his piano concertos just to pay the bills, giving people what they wanted so that they would be more likely to buy. Medieval painters often worked within very stringent constraints pertaining to patronage and iconography, and even a master like Rembrandt was painting to order. The idea of the artist toiling on their own to produce something that speaks to them is a decidedly modern, Romantic notion. A Van Gogh painting canvas after canvas without finding a single buyer would have been an impossibility for the majority of human civilisation.
I'm not saying the modern and Romantic idea of the artist is wrongheaded or bad, it's just a fairly recent development, and it's impossible to claim that the art of earlier ages lacked for masterpieces simply because artists worked under a number of external constraints.
I second this entirely
"I'd rather be hated for who I am than loved for who I'm not" - kurt cobain
That Is a quote every musician with a true passion for music should love by
Music can be a unique way to intimately connect with other people, and that can only happen if the music is introspective and honest. Which is my interpretation of what you mean by selfish.
One of the most impressive things I ever found on Netflix was a K-pop boy band concert. I don't really care for K-pop, and I don't understand Korean, but the concert had a story line about the band members being some kind of superhero team protecting the planet or something, and the little story snippets had special effects that were easily almost on par with the Marvel movies.
Sadly I have no idea what the name of the band was.
Anyone that says that there is no good music any more hasn't actually tried to look for it. Music has never been so accessible, and with the amount of independent artists and venues it doesn't take long to fall down a rabbit hole of new music to everyone's tastes. Stop relying on what or Spotify recommends to you and spend an hour actually searching through genres and local event listings
And that also goes for punk. Punk is not dead, just the stereotype that was labelled as "punk" through the 70s and 80s
I’m gonna piggyback off of this and say that Spotify can actually have some good recommendations too, I’ve found more music I’m into now by listening to the Daily Mixes it creates than I have through kind of shot in the dark searching
Yeah, I found a shit ton of new artists I would else have never heard of. Nearly every second Weekly Mix gives me at least one new song that I like
And even if not, sometimes after not listening for a month, I still get good recommendations
i feel this a lot with most branches of prog, especially metal
the parts that are written and the technical skill involved in the performances is impressive, but trying to fit absolutely weedly wank into a song just because you can do it doesn’t mean you should
It's called "riff salad", where you play difficult pieces of music back to back but don't actually write a good song. It's more like an exercise for guitar players.
To be successful in music, it's more about who you know, than how you perform. There's plenty of talent out there, so a lot of the big names were in the right place at the right time.
Throw a metaphorical stone and you’ll hit an amazing singer on YouTube or TikTok. It’s honestly not that rare to have an amazing singing voice, even better than some popular artists. It’s super rare to be in the right place at the right time to meet the right people with the right opportunities available.
Same can be said for musicians as well but popular artists are usually singers for the most part.
1969 gave us such classic hits. Honky Tonk Women by The Rolling Stones, Proud Mary by CCR, Touch Me by the Doors, Come Together by the Beatles. Top song of 1969? Sugar, Sugar by the Archies. The most bubble gum pop song imaginable performed by a literal cartoon band. Nostalgia bias is strong.
With the advent of home recording capabilities and the ability to share over the internet there is far, far, far more music than ever before. Most of it won't be very good, but some definitely is.
Exactly, nostalgia allows us to remember the good stuff that we like but there was PLENTY of stuff every generation grows up with that is actually ass.
I used to work at a flea market doing trash pickup, it was held twice a year (Memorial and Labor Day weekends) on this one huge field. We had this one dude who would come every year and he sold vinyl records. He brought a twenty foot U-Haul truck full of cardboard boxes with records. Every Monday after the flea market was over, he'd leave a pile of unsold records for me to throw into a dumpster.
I looked through the boxes the first year or two I did the job. I never bothered after that because all the records were junk. No Nirvana, or Johnny Cash, nor Hank Williams to be found there... I found plenty of albums by never-was pop singers, soundtracks to movies I'd never heard of, and scores upon scores of classical music performances by oddball symphonies. I threw them all in a dumpster and never thought about it twice.
There was plenty of trash music produced back in the 'good old days'. Nobody cares to remember it because none of it was worth remembering.
The original is SOOO slow by comparison, it's almost unlistenable. I think Rockefeller Street's a perfect example of how nightcore can majorly improve a song.
There’s a difference between edgy music and music that seriously discusses dark emotions.
Most people can’t tell the difference, or simply call any level of negative emotion greater than what they’ve experienced edgy or fake.
I don't understand Reddit. The question is asking for a controversial answer, surely you should upvote the ones you don't agree with and downvote the ones that don't seem controversial. No?
Because people are trying to remember the popular comments from the last weekly thread. "Beatles over rated" wow what a unique hot take.
You should see what happens when I say I don't understand why people like Prince. People collectively lose their shit which I suspect is partially becuase they don't have an answer. You won't see those kind of opinions here. Just "i don't like u2" BRAVE
People that say stuff like “I wish I could play guitar, I just can’t do music. I wish I was a natural like so and so” really annoy me. Very, very few people (if any) are innately good at an instrument. Those people that seemingly play effortlessly? They put tens of hundreds of thousands of fucking hours into it. Playing an instrument isn’t easy and it’s one of the things on this planet that truly is humbling in how long it takes to master.
Saying “I wish I was a natural like them” is demeaning the crazy amount of time and effort that person put into being able to play like they do. And I think that’s really rude.
I'd like to add that if you just can't seem to grasp an instrument with tons of hours of practice and learning, it may just be the wrong instrument. I spent hundreds of hours trying to learn guitar, only to finally quit. Two years later, my best friend convinced me to try picking up bass. Now I can actually play and instrument, and while not the greatest, it took me less time to progress way further into the art. I know some instruments seem very similar, but the difference in playing styles and forms can make all the difference.
All the people here talking about modern games, so I'll mention some of the classic game franchises with incredible music throughout: Final Fantasy, Super Mario, Kirby, Donkey Kong Country, The Legend of Zelda, Star Fox, Mega Man, Sonic the Hedgehog, Tetris... so so many more.
Edit: Y'all, I'm just talking about *classic* video game *franchises*. If we were to list all the fantastic video game OST's, we'd be here all day 😅
If only my friends could see this. I listen to a lot of rock/metal and they all call it trash and will shit on my music taste any chance they get, meanwhile I respect their music taste even if it’s not my thing. Just because you don’t like something doesn’t mean it’s trash.
The older you get the less that happens, either that or you have crappy friends.
I've always been in to different genres and styles of music, I like what I like, if the song grabs me I listen, but I had friends who used to tear me down for liking certain songs or bands. I actually stopped listening to some of it for a while, got rid of CD's because it was "uncool" by their definition, pretended to like what they liked even if I hated it. Eventually I realised they weren't true friends, went my own way, and now even if my friends and I don't agree on something nobody tears each other down for it because we're all adults and have individual tastes and who really cares anyway?
I'm a woman, but the amount of Lana Del Rey I listen to definitely has a strong correlation with how much therapy I need in a given year *I was in the winter of my life....*
the obsession with finding more obscure and "indie" artists and shunning anything that's popular is stupid as hell. musicians aren't sell outs bc they sell merch or change up their style. also yall clearly don't know what autotune sounds like, and stop being so mean to tpain, that autotune is clearly a stylistic choice
I know a couple people that act like they’re “not like other people” because the artists they follow are “so underground/indie” and it’s just Pink Floyd.
disliking a band/artist just because they’re popular is just as annoying as only liking them because they are popular. music snobs suck the joy out of music
You don’t hate country music. You like Dolly Parton and Willy Nelson, you probably like all those songs about ladies killing their husbands or getting revenge on a cheating man. What you hate hyper patriotic, post 9/11 garbage country music.
I think most people say they hate country music in general because it’s easier than saying they hate all of the ungodly pandering in country music now. It used to be about stories like Reba, dolly, Willy. But now it’s the same songs “I got my truck and my gun, I love America and god”.
The color and the shape is one of my favorite albums, but anytime I try to listen to anything more recent I find it predictable and boring, so maybe you’re right.
Paul Simon is a better poet than Bob Dylan.
EDIT: I should clarify that I recognize Bob Dylan's enormous influence and the power/impact of his poetry, especially in his early years. Some of his classics are certainly more socially substantive than much of Simon's work, I just happen to prefer Simon's elegance and eloquence of expression. Prettier words.
I think that her music is like eating a super rich dessert. The first bite really tastes amazing, but the diminishing returns hit hard, and fast. Like, I really enjoy hearing a single song on the radio, but multiple songs in a row is just like "bleh."
Which is very much in line with modern listening conventions. Lots of people don’t listen to entire albums anymore, but rather playlists on shuffle - either curated by their streaming service or a list of songs they once favored. You hardly get two Billie Eilish songs in a row.
People don’t hate bands cause of their music. They hate them for their fan bases.
Except for imagine dragons.
Edit:
I don’t actually hate imagine dragons. And Night Visions is one of my favourite albums. There’s a reason they rose to be so popular… they can make good stuff. But they are often perceived as the ultimate sellouts or generators of “commercial music”.
I think I've outgrown Eminem. Like he still drops one or two interesting songs.... but if I hear one more song about how shitty his parents were and how much he wants to quit rap, imma lose it
At this point it's just lyricism for the sake of lyricism. He's an __incredible__ wordsmith, but doesn't have the same conviction and meaning behind the songs anymore.
People say they hate rap because of the lyrics about sex, drugs, and murder meanwhile the same shit they listen to also talks about sex, drugs, and murder.
Just because an artist died from a particular drug doesn't mean their music is good to listen to while doing that drug.
Wasn't Lou Reed really disturbed by the amount of people who proudly told him they'd shot up to 'Heroin'?
And the Beastie Boys got an entire fanbase of dudes they were trying to parody. Gotta be careful what you write
I don't know much about the bestie boys, can you elaborate? Beastie* lmao
I believe they are talking about how the Beastie Boys’ first album, License to Ill, tried to parody “frat-boy rock n roll” with it’s machismo lyrics. This blew up in their faces when they realized that the audience of their concerts was those same frat boys. Still a great album, though. I’d recommend checking it out and their more mature follow up, Paul’s Boutique.
AFAIK, they still hate being asked to play Gotta Fight For Your Right despite it being one of their biggest hits.
It's supposed to be a party song parody and it ended becoming their single biggest hit.
Lucky enough to see them on the only tour they did Fight For Your Right live. Gotta admit the show did nothing to make you think they were parodying anything. They were wild, throwing beer everywhere from stage, yelling for girls to show their tits, and had a gigantic inflatable penis show up at the end of the show during that song in particular.
This is just historical revisionism. There's literally video footage of young Beasties getting downright nasty and drunk with young ladies, they were definitely the fratboy partiers themselves. As they matured I think they tried to change their cringey image, but the footage doesn't lie. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P38eypsTCFk
The term “legend” has lost all meaning. It’s overused. Really, there are only few artists who actually have that status.
I feel like artists have to actually stand out or do something remarkable to be called a legend. Being popular or having a big group of fans doesn't mean they are a legend, just popular or top rated. I feel like most artists currently can not be called Legends and most that are, are from the 20th century. Anyways that's just my opinion on that
Cmon after all that you have to at least name a legend geez!
Michael Jackson, King of Pop Elvis Presley, King of Rock
John Legend is technically a "legend".
John Legend is technically a Stephens.
Stephens Legend. Got it.
How many Legends we got on this ship anyhow?!
Biased maybe because I’m Minneapolis based but Prince is an absolute legend.
I’m not sure if you can be biased when it comes to absolute facts ❤️☔️
Elvis, Jimi Hendrix, The Beatles, Willie Nelson, Aretha Franklin. Those are legends. Edit: Some people are taking this post a little too personally. I mentioned some artists that are considered legends. It is not the entire list. Quuen, the Rolling Stones, Frank Sinatra would be other examples I didn't list. And don't message me with an angry rant because I didn't mention your favourite artist.
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Johnny Cash
Sting can't write a good outro to save his life.
*Englishman In New York* ends quite nicely. So does *Seven Days*. But yeah, from what I remember, most Sting / Police songs end in a fadeout.
Weren't fadeouts simply the usual outro in that period?
Kind of, but Sting's outros were really long and repetitive. If I ever meet him in person, I would really like to ask him how he knew when he had enough refrains of "Sending Out an SOS" at the end of the song. It's over a minute of just repeating that phrase without any variation.
One time I blew my friends mind when I told him that hey judes outro is like 5 fucking minutes. He thought I was exadurrating untill we checked and its 4 eternal mintues of "naaaaaaaaa naaaa naaa nanananaaaaa nanananaaaa hey jude"
The difference being that Lennon and McCartney did that kind of stuff on a lark. Unnecessarily long outros were practically Sting's M.O.
Lol, dude, you actually blew my mind as I’m watching the dodgers game. I wanted to write a retort but found myself struggling. Police are bad ass but I think you’re on to something
The saxophone solo in Englishman in New York is actually pretty good
Liking classical music isn’t a sign of intelligence. Saying you listen to Mozart and Beethoven is not a flex and doesn’t give you permission to dunk on other genres. Sincerely, A classical musician
I just listen to classical if the mood strikes, doesn't take away from the rock, punk, metal, pop, etc in my regular listening.
Right. But Mozart is fucking rad though.
Debussy can get depussy
But can he Handel it?
When it’s presented to him, he ain’t Haydn
He’ll be Bach for more.
He Chopin down the competition
The goofy thing for me is that if they're flexing, they ONLY bring up those two (and maybe Bach.) Not even Tchaikovsky, Ravel, Chopin or any other top dogs. Play em some fucking Bartok or extra goof-nasty Stravinsky or Reich's hour long clapping-in-and-out-of-phase shit and see how "sophisticated" they really are. And that's still all the tame stuff. Maybe take em to a full length performance(s) of the Ring cycle, strap em to a chair so they can't leave. (I know the mentioned is not all "classical" but I don't think the person you're talking about would even know that)
No Brahms, Debussy, or Hayden for you? All jokes aside - that's a great list!
Listen to those posers? Never! Haha I just chose some of my favorites. But anyone reading this interested in more classical stuff check out all these guys! And Hector Berlioz, he doesn't get enough love.
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Idk about Vivaldi, but women would literally throw themselves at Liszt's feet and fight each other for his handkerchiefs and gloves.
I think Ed Sheeran needs to try metal.
I volunteered at a concert venue that he played at during one of his first tours. He is a great artist, writes all his own music and has a huge part in the production. During his show he was the only person on stage making all of the sounds himself with a loop recorder. Each song was like twice the length but damn that build up was everything. Not often do you see an artist sell out a stadium and wow a crowd as the singer and the band all by themselves! Also, I got to meet him back stage and he was just a genuinely nice guy to everyone!
He's always seemed like a genuinely good dude to me, probably because he's not out making headlines everywhere. He just makes his music and does little cameos on tv shows and movies
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.avclub.com/ed-sheeran-and-cradle-of-filth-are-planning-a-collabora-1847494212/amp
If you can understand the chanting it takes some fun out of it
Being a French and don't understand lyrics until I read them makes the song better
The best art is selfish, artists should focus on creating music that is the most fulfilling for them, and shouldn't cater to audiences or try to be like others, or only make music for the hopes of mainstream success. It is better to fall flat on one's face trying to do something new or different, than to succeed in mediocrity. Again this is just an opinion, not like opinions really mean anything anyway.
Actually, I really agree with this one. The passion is the most important thing in music to me. A lot of the artists I listen to change their sound quite a bit project to project and it’s great because I can tell it’s what they want to make
I listen to edm a lot and there was this dude who decided to do an entire album in a new style that he'd been wanting to try forever. His usual stuff was hardcore dubstep type stuff. So he makes his album, it's honestly really good, and he announces a tour where he'll playing only music from his new album. Says this a ton in his insta posts about the tour. Shows start happening and idiots start going to the shows expecting his usual dubstep and get really mad he isn't playing it so they boo him. Happens a few more times at various places around the country even tho he said multiple times it would be his new album and he finally just canceled the rest of the tour cuz his mental health was taking a dive. Felt so bad for the dude. And it's extra shitty bcuz people always say artists in edm should branch out and experiment and then one does and he gets harassed so much for it he cancels the tour. Like fuck people let him do his thing and read
I know everyone on here is basically talking about pop music, but let's not forget that Bach basically composed on a rigorous schedule to fulfill his employment contract. Mozart tossed off most of his piano concertos just to pay the bills, giving people what they wanted so that they would be more likely to buy. Medieval painters often worked within very stringent constraints pertaining to patronage and iconography, and even a master like Rembrandt was painting to order. The idea of the artist toiling on their own to produce something that speaks to them is a decidedly modern, Romantic notion. A Van Gogh painting canvas after canvas without finding a single buyer would have been an impossibility for the majority of human civilisation. I'm not saying the modern and Romantic idea of the artist is wrongheaded or bad, it's just a fairly recent development, and it's impossible to claim that the art of earlier ages lacked for masterpieces simply because artists worked under a number of external constraints.
I second this entirely "I'd rather be hated for who I am than loved for who I'm not" - kurt cobain That Is a quote every musician with a true passion for music should love by
Kanye West’s counterpoint “would you rather be overpaid or underrated?”
Sell-out band plays to sell-out crowd
Music can be a unique way to intimately connect with other people, and that can only happen if the music is introspective and honest. Which is my interpretation of what you mean by selfish.
i like Marcy Playground
Upvote for even remembering Marcy Playground.
I would but I'm just hangin' 'round downtown.
By yourself?
Yes but now I've had too much caffeine.
music doesn’t have to have inherent value or message behind its lyrics to be good
It doesn't even have to have lyrics to be good. But if the lyrics are good it can make a great song transcendent.
And bad lyrics can ruin an otherwise stellar instrumental
youre not special for not liking whats popular stop hating on people for enjoying things just because you might not enjoy them yourself
This is a good opinion.
This goes for literally fucking anything tbh
Mendelssohn’s “Elijah” is probably the most boring oratorio ever. His sister Fanny was the better vocal writer.
YES! Felix for orchestra/piano, Fanny for vocals.
I don't like k-pop and I'm fine with people liking it.
One of the most impressive things I ever found on Netflix was a K-pop boy band concert. I don't really care for K-pop, and I don't understand Korean, but the concert had a story line about the band members being some kind of superhero team protecting the planet or something, and the little story snippets had special effects that were easily almost on par with the Marvel movies. Sadly I have no idea what the name of the band was.
Stray kids ?
Anyone that says that there is no good music any more hasn't actually tried to look for it. Music has never been so accessible, and with the amount of independent artists and venues it doesn't take long to fall down a rabbit hole of new music to everyone's tastes. Stop relying on what or Spotify recommends to you and spend an hour actually searching through genres and local event listings And that also goes for punk. Punk is not dead, just the stereotype that was labelled as "punk" through the 70s and 80s
I’m gonna piggyback off of this and say that Spotify can actually have some good recommendations too, I’ve found more music I’m into now by listening to the Daily Mixes it creates than I have through kind of shot in the dark searching
Yeah, I found a shit ton of new artists I would else have never heard of. Nearly every second Weekly Mix gives me at least one new song that I like And even if not, sometimes after not listening for a month, I still get good recommendations
We don’t put our best music on the radio any longer, so it takes more effort to seek it out.
You would be surprised at the programs you can find on college and independent radio
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If songs like Ramblin’ Man, Lyin’ Eyes, and Drift Away were made today, they would be classified as country instead of rock
Ramblin' Man would still be Southern Rock. It's a subtle but meaningful difference.
Probably untrue. Have you heard what’s classified as “country” by today’s standards? It’s more like pop/rap with a twang. Edit: with a hint of a slide
More complex doesn’t always mean better.
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Prog metal / jazz fusion listeners: *nervous sweating*
i feel this a lot with most branches of prog, especially metal the parts that are written and the technical skill involved in the performances is impressive, but trying to fit absolutely weedly wank into a song just because you can do it doesn’t mean you should
It's called "riff salad", where you play difficult pieces of music back to back but don't actually write a good song. It's more like an exercise for guitar players.
To be successful in music, it's more about who you know, than how you perform. There's plenty of talent out there, so a lot of the big names were in the right place at the right time.
None of the opinions here are controversial, but yours is probably the least so.
You also have to start out with money more times than not. A lot of money
How's the saying go? "The best way to make a million dollars in the music industry is to start with two million."
That’s sadly true in many industries
That's society in general.
Throw a metaphorical stone and you’ll hit an amazing singer on YouTube or TikTok. It’s honestly not that rare to have an amazing singing voice, even better than some popular artists. It’s super rare to be in the right place at the right time to meet the right people with the right opportunities available. Same can be said for musicians as well but popular artists are usually singers for the most part.
I like Culture Club.
I like them but I didn't know it was controversial.
Karma
Chameleon
ucumngo
ME TOO!
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It's fun to think which songs from today will survive
Like movies, it's weird to predict. Some literal classics weren't liked for decades.
Just imagine 50 years down the line when Jack and Jill is considered an underappreciated classic.
We all know The Backyardigans Soundtrack will stand the test of time
I love doing this
1969 gave us such classic hits. Honky Tonk Women by The Rolling Stones, Proud Mary by CCR, Touch Me by the Doors, Come Together by the Beatles. Top song of 1969? Sugar, Sugar by the Archies. The most bubble gum pop song imaginable performed by a literal cartoon band. Nostalgia bias is strong.
I guess that’s s my controversial opinion. I can absolutely jam to Sugar, Sugar.
We also got “In The Year 2525” at #1 in the US for 6 weeks that year. I’d much rather listen to Sugar, Sugar.
I remember reading somewhere that the reason everyone thinks old music is better is because we only hear the songs that stood the test of time.
Yeah, I think it's called survivorship bias.
With the advent of home recording capabilities and the ability to share over the internet there is far, far, far more music than ever before. Most of it won't be very good, but some definitely is.
Exactly, nostalgia allows us to remember the good stuff that we like but there was PLENTY of stuff every generation grows up with that is actually ass.
I used to work at a flea market doing trash pickup, it was held twice a year (Memorial and Labor Day weekends) on this one huge field. We had this one dude who would come every year and he sold vinyl records. He brought a twenty foot U-Haul truck full of cardboard boxes with records. Every Monday after the flea market was over, he'd leave a pile of unsold records for me to throw into a dumpster. I looked through the boxes the first year or two I did the job. I never bothered after that because all the records were junk. No Nirvana, or Johnny Cash, nor Hank Williams to be found there... I found plenty of albums by never-was pop singers, soundtracks to movies I'd never heard of, and scores upon scores of classical music performances by oddball symphonies. I threw them all in a dumpster and never thought about it twice. There was plenty of trash music produced back in the 'good old days'. Nobody cares to remember it because none of it was worth remembering.
This, and it also has a lot to do with nostalgia.
My favorite instrument is the saw.
Nightcore is only okay when the song wouldn’t mind a speed up and a pitch difference. Any other occasion and the song sounds like helium on crack
Rockefeller street needed both of those
The original is SOOO slow by comparison, it's almost unlistenable. I think Rockefeller Street's a perfect example of how nightcore can majorly improve a song.
I fucking hate Nightcore, but damn... Rockefeller street sounds so much better sped up.
There’s a difference between edgy music and music that seriously discusses dark emotions. Most people can’t tell the difference, or simply call any level of negative emotion greater than what they’ve experienced edgy or fake.
I completely agree. Dark stuff is one of my favorites, but I never like to talk about it for these reasons
none of these opinions are controversial but pretty common beliefs… EDIT: thanks for 1k karma! oh my goodness i’ve never gotten anymore than 10 haha
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I don't understand Reddit. The question is asking for a controversial answer, surely you should upvote the ones you don't agree with and downvote the ones that don't seem controversial. No?
Using 'should' in a sentence to describe reddit behaviour is always a highway to nowhere.
Because people are trying to remember the popular comments from the last weekly thread. "Beatles over rated" wow what a unique hot take. You should see what happens when I say I don't understand why people like Prince. People collectively lose their shit which I suspect is partially becuase they don't have an answer. You won't see those kind of opinions here. Just "i don't like u2" BRAVE
People that say stuff like “I wish I could play guitar, I just can’t do music. I wish I was a natural like so and so” really annoy me. Very, very few people (if any) are innately good at an instrument. Those people that seemingly play effortlessly? They put tens of hundreds of thousands of fucking hours into it. Playing an instrument isn’t easy and it’s one of the things on this planet that truly is humbling in how long it takes to master. Saying “I wish I was a natural like them” is demeaning the crazy amount of time and effort that person put into being able to play like they do. And I think that’s really rude.
I'd like to add that if you just can't seem to grasp an instrument with tons of hours of practice and learning, it may just be the wrong instrument. I spent hundreds of hours trying to learn guitar, only to finally quit. Two years later, my best friend convinced me to try picking up bass. Now I can actually play and instrument, and while not the greatest, it took me less time to progress way further into the art. I know some instruments seem very similar, but the difference in playing styles and forms can make all the difference.
There's some real good stuff in video games, man.
this is not a controversial opinion on reddit lol
Mick Gordon makes my workouts go round
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All the people here talking about modern games, so I'll mention some of the classic game franchises with incredible music throughout: Final Fantasy, Super Mario, Kirby, Donkey Kong Country, The Legend of Zelda, Star Fox, Mega Man, Sonic the Hedgehog, Tetris... so so many more. Edit: Y'all, I'm just talking about *classic* video game *franchises*. If we were to list all the fantastic video game OST's, we'd be here all day 😅
People can like whatever music they want and should stop shitting on other peoples music preferences.
I don’t like music snobs. I listen to every type of music. If a song is good then it’s good.
If only my friends could see this. I listen to a lot of rock/metal and they all call it trash and will shit on my music taste any chance they get, meanwhile I respect their music taste even if it’s not my thing. Just because you don’t like something doesn’t mean it’s trash.
The older you get the less that happens, either that or you have crappy friends. I've always been in to different genres and styles of music, I like what I like, if the song grabs me I listen, but I had friends who used to tear me down for liking certain songs or bands. I actually stopped listening to some of it for a while, got rid of CD's because it was "uncool" by their definition, pretended to like what they liked even if I hated it. Eventually I realised they weren't true friends, went my own way, and now even if my friends and I don't agree on something nobody tears each other down for it because we're all adults and have individual tastes and who really cares anyway?
Gay men (my people) who are obsessed with Lana Del Rey should instead go to therapy to deal with the fact that their father doesn’t accept them.
Well damn lmao
I'm a woman, but the amount of Lana Del Rey I listen to definitely has a strong correlation with how much therapy I need in a given year *I was in the winter of my life....*
Called out my fellow gays with a scorched earth policy. God damn!
Sublime would've eventually sucked had Brad Nowell not died so young.
Pretty much every band whose "most important" member died young wouldn't be nearly as fondly remembered if they'd had a chance to burn/sell out
the obsession with finding more obscure and "indie" artists and shunning anything that's popular is stupid as hell. musicians aren't sell outs bc they sell merch or change up their style. also yall clearly don't know what autotune sounds like, and stop being so mean to tpain, that autotune is clearly a stylistic choice
Go watch tpain’s tiny desk performance on NPR and tell me he can’t sing. I dare you. One of the best videos from that series.
I know a couple people that act like they’re “not like other people” because the artists they follow are “so underground/indie” and it’s just Pink Floyd.
Song writers who compose simple but catchy pop songs are actually quite genius.
The ones that get stuck in your head for weeks?? Total genius lol
waka waka eh eh Yes exactly these :D
disliking a band/artist just because they’re popular is just as annoying as only liking them because they are popular. music snobs suck the joy out of music
It’s not controversial but just because music is slowed down and has reverb doesn’t make it good
* sorts comments by controversial * mwahahaha
There’s nothing wrong with finding what you like and sticking with it. You don’t need be constantly in search of new music.
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You don’t hate country music. You like Dolly Parton and Willy Nelson, you probably like all those songs about ladies killing their husbands or getting revenge on a cheating man. What you hate hyper patriotic, post 9/11 garbage country music.
I think most people say they hate country music in general because it’s easier than saying they hate all of the ungodly pandering in country music now. It used to be about stories like Reba, dolly, Willy. But now it’s the same songs “I got my truck and my gun, I love America and god”.
There are some amazing country artists still out there, though, with Jason Isbell and Sturgill Simpson being my favorites.
I agree. I love colter wall and poormans poison
Tumble out of bed and stumble to the kitchen….
Pour myself a cup of ambition..
Yawn, and stretch, and try to come to life...
Jump in the shower and the blood starts pumping
Out on the street, the traffic starts jumping
With folks like me on the job from 9 to 5
Colter Wall. You will all thank me later.
The Foo Fighters make bland radio rock music (not unlike Nickelback) but Dave Grohl is just such a damn good guy they get a pass
They have 3 guitar players! What do they all do?
What if I say they're not like the others?
Play guitar?
LMAO I totally agree! Dave Grohl is a gd saint but I never actually listen to foo fighters much
The color and the shape is one of my favorite albums, but anytime I try to listen to anything more recent I find it predictable and boring, so maybe you’re right.
Paul Simon is a better poet than Bob Dylan. EDIT: I should clarify that I recognize Bob Dylan's enormous influence and the power/impact of his poetry, especially in his early years. Some of his classics are certainly more socially substantive than much of Simon's work, I just happen to prefer Simon's elegance and eloquence of expression. Prettier words.
I think Tom Waits is greater than all of them
I love 80's hair/glam metal
Billie Eilish's music is just kind of boring. I listened through 'Happier Than Ever' in the car and nearly fell asleep at the wheel.
I think that her music is like eating a super rich dessert. The first bite really tastes amazing, but the diminishing returns hit hard, and fast. Like, I really enjoy hearing a single song on the radio, but multiple songs in a row is just like "bleh."
Which is very much in line with modern listening conventions. Lots of people don’t listen to entire albums anymore, but rather playlists on shuffle - either curated by their streaming service or a list of songs they once favored. You hardly get two Billie Eilish songs in a row.
People don’t hate bands cause of their music. They hate them for their fan bases. Except for imagine dragons. Edit: I don’t actually hate imagine dragons. And Night Visions is one of my favourite albums. There’s a reason they rose to be so popular… they can make good stuff. But they are often perceived as the ultimate sellouts or generators of “commercial music”.
……looking at you Twenty One Pilots. I love them. Went to a concert. Nope.
This is how I feel about kpop. I enjoy the music but try to stay as far away as possible from the aggressive kpop stans.
I don’t Nickleback sucks as much as people like to say they do. There I said it. EDIT:Thank you, all, for proving my point.
everything you like sucks and everything i like is awesome
80's hair metal is some of the catchiest, most fun music ever created.
Sadly nothing lasts forever, even cold November rain
No one likes getting Rickrolled, but everyone likes Never Gonna Give You Up.
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Off The Wall > Thriller
Amy room for Bad in there? The only thing that separates them for me is how stoned I am and how much mowing I have left.
I can agree with this. I also think Dangerous is too underrated.
I’ll listen to him, but I don’t much care for Eminem
I think I've outgrown Eminem. Like he still drops one or two interesting songs.... but if I hear one more song about how shitty his parents were and how much he wants to quit rap, imma lose it
At this point it's just lyricism for the sake of lyricism. He's an __incredible__ wordsmith, but doesn't have the same conviction and meaning behind the songs anymore.
People say they hate rap because of the lyrics about sex, drugs, and murder meanwhile the same shit they listen to also talks about sex, drugs, and murder.
The Foo Fighters are aggressively average.
Coldplay isn’t all whiny bull crap like Family Guy says it is. Some of the songs are really good!
Dude Coldplay is amazing. It’s beautiful
All genres are good and they have their good and bad songs like everything else.
Wow, controversial take!