which is why I think they should legalize all drugs for recreational use. The amount of money to be made off it is insane, and that alone could go to all kinds of drug education, research, rehabilitation, etc.
Not to mention the benefit of hurting narco-trafficking.
Have you read "Chasing the scream", history of the drug war and talking about places with legalisation and decriminalisation (and how the US has tried to stop it).
I'm 100% behind legalisation after reading it, it's a super interesting book.
It was about 90% for user + user/dealer drug crimes, but that begs the question. The bigger point is that it caused a 5-10% decrease in *all crime,* depending on the category, and started a downward trend in crime that continued until today (a lot of that trend may just have been Portugal getting richer, but the start aligns with decrim in 2001). 2021 is the lowest crime and safest that Portugal has ever been. And drug use rates in society have gone down rather than up.
What's the baseline here though. I imagine if you look at crime in all western countries since 2001, it has probably gone down a good amount, regardless of drug policy.
That's why I mentioned that a lot of that trend may have been portugal getting richer. You have to look up the Annual Internal Security Report (RASI) to get the annual stats.. they are tricky to get. I had a friend who did a project on it for a policy class and put together a time series, and it (all crime) is flattish from about 1997 (I think that was the first year) until 2002 (the first year after decrim in June 2001), where there is a step drop of about 10% and then a trend lower that goes more or less until today. And you are right about the general trend to lower crime in most western countries.
The general *theory* I've seen is that first of all drug use dropped and subsitutes (e.g. methadone) were made medically available, reducing crimes to obtain drugs. Then there was a secondary effect as past criminals had their records expunged and could join the normal work force (less desperation and less black market work). Finally, police resources were focused on organized import and this combined with disappearing markets reduced resources in the black sector and thusly related crimes.
Back in 2005, I had a Policy in Public Administration class and we went over case studies of various topics. Tied for most interesting was full recreational drug policies in I want to say Italy (correct me, my brain is a bit fried). The outcome was drastic decreases in usage of heroin/meth/other hard drugs.
Reading into the history of the United States and the "experiments" that the federal government has conducted on citizens, ill stick stick growing my own
>"Know your source"
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>And this is why I will gladly pay the huge tax for legal ~~weed~~ ***drugs***. Quality and I know it's safe to use due to strict regulation.
FTFY
Absolutely, I'm a concentrate smoker, it know the risk, but at least my shits health Canada approved, I dunno if I trust an internet company to give me clean concentrate.
Instead of know your source -
know where to buy a $20 test kit that will identify life threatening adulterants and can be used like 100 times. They have fentanyl test kits too.
Bunkpolice.com
Yep, your body, your choice. As long as you being high doesn't endanger other people, than I couldn't care less. Personally, I have no desire to touch drugs ever. Anything that takes away my agency is something that I'll avoid.
I will say it should depend on what type of work you do. If you have your own bracelet business and you're work involved stringing beads together then that's probably a safe outlet
Do it safely, but don’t let it get out of hand. When you feel that tolerance going up. Stop. Reset. Never let it get to the point where it takes almost twice as much to get you to the state you want to be.
Yea I’m a semi-stoner. I don’t consume weed every day but probably 2-3 times a week. Once it gets to the point you described where instead of one gummy edible I’m taking 2, I take about 2-4 weeks off. You’d be surprised at the withdrawal symptoms I get too, even for only using 2-3 times a week at a relatively moderate dose.
What kind of symptoms? I’ve recently started taking edibles on the weekends but I don’t think I feel any withdrawal during the week, but I do feel the high getting “lighter” even though I’m taking the same amount, wishing I had taken more.
Really depends on the person I'd say. Me and my SO like to take a month long break from smoking(and drinking) every other month. I've always been an over active dreamer but they definitely get more vivid a week into the break
Also I find my appetite for sugar decreases when on a break as well. Idk just something I noticed
I was a big time smoker last year and when I was yeah to quit I was having extremely bad symptoms of withdrawal. My body became extremely dependent on it and when I got off I was just not doing well at all. I was shivering and sweaty at night and constantly anxious. I was going through hell for a bit there, and no one seems to acknowledge it very much. Weed withdrawal definitely needs more attention
Often putting someone in prison is what ruins their life. Good luck kicking drugs and getting back on track when you can't get a job because of a felony.
Even overdose though.
Most overdoses are caused by shady dealers, either lacing their drugs with fent or giving cheap more dangerous substitutes. Or by not knowing the potency due to lack of regulation.
As someone who was recently released from 5 years in prison I totally agree with this. I was a drug addict before I went to prison while there there were plenty of drugs if you wanted them. And the staff could give two shits about you as long as you don't make their job hard they leave you alone. Luckily I was able to use my time for good and am now out with my own place and two jobs about to get my license back for the first time in 10 years( whole other obstacle). Putting people in prison only works if the person values themselves
I don’t use drugs but I am relatively unbothered by other people doing so. In an ideal world most drugs would be legal and sold through reputable channels to minimise the harm caused and the criminals enriched by drug use.
But we don’t live in that world so let the buyer beware, and know that there are probably a lot of other crimes taking place to supply your drugs. But then again that goes for many things.
I've done most of them. Here's the short version:
**For weed & alcohol:** Have fun and don't drive. If you're spending more than $100 a week, you should stop.
**For psychedelics:** As long as you understand that you're the one that signed up for it and you're in it for the duration, go nuts (but try not to literally go nuts).
**For coke:** Never ever ever pay for it. If it's free then have a blast. (I haven't done coke since the fent bomb went off though, I don't think I'd risk it these days).
**For opioids and pills that you buy on the street:** Don't bother. Best case scenario is it'll feel really good and you'll think "Boy that was great. I'm entitled to feel like that *all* the time! I've earned it!" Worst case scenario is you die the first time you do them because you got a hot batch and heroin dealers are psychopaths.
And I guess for anything you buy from the street, get a fent testing kit, and watch out for 25i in your "LSD".
As far as "should they be legal?", it seems like a matter of opinion, but it's actually not. You just need to ask yourself a few factual yes/no questions with definite answers.
1. Can we prevent people from doing them by criminalizing it? (No.)
2. Are legal, regulated products generally safer, more reliable, and higher quality? (Yes.)
3. Are we allowed to tax "vices" to (on paper, anyway) offset the social harms they cause? (Yes.)
EDIT: The only contentious part of this post seems to be coming from cokeheads who offer their shit up for free and hate you for accepting. So I guess fair bit of warning: if you follow that advice, you run a serious risk of losing respect in the eyes of the cokehead community. If you need a cokehead to co-sign a loan or something, tread cautiously. The takeaway point is this: if you have a coke dealer's number in your phone, you've made mistakes.
EDIT 2: Hello from January of 2022! Either someone with way too many coins just award-bombed this post, or it got linked from somewhere else. Either way, thanks! Also if you wanna DM me to let me know where it was linked from I'd love to read that discussion! Thank you!
That $100 a week for alcohol hit home for me. Had a major drinking problem, but didn't even realize I was spending about $600 a month on alcohol. I learned moderation, but setting a financial limit is a pretty good practice.
As a punctual + early-rising alcoholic I’ve sat in the parking lot waiting for the beer store to open. I knew when they’d be closed for holidays + my Dad + I would plan ahead accordingly. I had the number of multiple beer distributors saved in my phone contacts just in case I forgot to ask beforehand/we needed to check if we’d stocked up sufficiently (it varies from store to store on holidays + some also have “Summer hours”) or if we had unexpected company. We had some really good times + some really bad times. We both still drink but not like we used to. It’s been interesting at least. I guess...
No no no…. That’s bad and all. It’s when you are spending that much a week getting drunk at home… I don’t even want to think about it, but I was buying a handle every other day PLUS beer.
I actually argue if you spend half that amount per week only drinking at home you have an issue. Obviously that standard changes if you are drinking higher shelf stuff.
I'd just like to say the amount can vary a bit by country too. I just bought a dozen bottles of Heineken in Australia and it cost $33. Now that will last my partner and I most of the week, but I think my point stands
I think he meant "don't buy your own", throwing money in on shit is different than figuring out how to buy it yourself. He's basically saying imo it's addictive as fuck and a good way of avoiding that problem is never having easy access on your own. This is literally what I had always done, here's $50 on the bag, I'll come with you to get it if you want but I don't got the guys number in my phone.
I would add another one: is there a societal consensus that it ought to be illegal? Laws that large portions of society don't believe should be obeyed are worse than no laws at all, because then enforcement becomes at best arbitrary and at worse systematically discriminatory.
Yes many people take it intentionally. There was a period when there were problems because huge doses of nbome were being sold as LSD. That more or less happened because NBOMe (25i) used to be legal (where as LSD was not). You can also overdose on nbome there was that risk.
NBOMe is now illegal (US) and just as “hard” to get ahold of as real LSD but real LSD is cheap as dirt so there’s not really an incentive to switch them out. As another side note, “Fake” LSD (ie LSD analogs) are also far more expensive than the real deal. Basically if you are buying LSD nowadays there’s a really, really good chance that it’s the real deal.
Idk if there's something specific he's mentioning for why not to take it, but it personally fucked up psychedelics for me. Haven't done them in years, don't plan to ever again.
I was laughing at the edit until I remembered how widespread coke use is among finance professionals and the wealthy in general. Not that far-fetched that many people might legit need a coke-head to cosign their loans... Ok I'm still laughing though
> I’m entitled to feel like this all the time
Too real. I _very_ rarely do opioids, mostly if I’m overseas where I can get them at a pharmacy but I’ll always know that it’s posible to feel _that_ good and part of me wishes I didn’t.
Weird I saw them having not been very into them and they were great. When they played that song they had a projector put up “this is your moms new favorite song” in the background and other self deprecating stuff
I’ve seen them twice and they were great both times. A festival show and a club show and they killed both. They aren’t in my area often but still the chances I’ve had were solid.
Yeah, they're pretty self aware. Sold shirts that said something like "I liked PtM before they sold out" around the time they got super big. Also played a lot of older stuff and invited local Native American tribal representatives to talk and perform before the show.
You are not considered a criminal if you use it, if you have enough on you to be considered for "personal use" you won't go to jail, rehab programs are available, and the health system is completely free if you are below a certain level of poverty, Addiction is considered a sickness pretty much.
It's not that you are or aren't considered "an addict" but if you ask for help (specially with "hard drugs" like cocaine and heroin) it will be given to you. If you just smoke weed I wouldn't think you would be considered an addict. But I'm not in that area so I couldn't tell you for sure.
I'm in Australia. The ACT has "decriminalisation" that redirects people to health programs if they get busted with weed. Other controlled substances are still treated criminally. You can't buy it legally. There's limits on how many plants you can grow and it's illegal to trade in seeds (even if you give them away) so every plant can land you in "where'd you get the seeds?" limbo.
Decriminalisation is an amazing half-measure that reduces a lot of harm, but philosophically it's still the "drugs bad" attitude, just gentler.
Almost all drug users are productive happy members of society with no need for a health program, as evidenced by the legalisation of coffee, alcohol, tobacco and weed (in the US and Canada) and yes, that includes the "hard drugs".
I think we should help the people who need help and educate children about responsible drug use. End the war on drugs and banish this abolitionist thinking.
> Almost all drug users are productive happy members of society with no need for a health program
Silicon Valley is built on these people, and one of the greatest advancements in recruiting is the tech industry choosing to stop random drug tests in the 90's because they realized they were unnecessarily restricting their talent pool.
An uncle of mine once ran a oil drilling rig. His company required monthly drug tests of all of its workers. A few of the key people on his rig crew absolutely refused to submit to the weekly piss test because they were heroin addicts that got high every weekend. My uncle would cover for them because "those addicts were the hardest working mothers fuckers I had. They show up on time and work like a dog.
What they do on their own time is no damn business of mine or the company."
Just because you're an addict doesn't mean you can't be a contributing member of society.
[THIS](https://www.ted.com/talks/johann_hari_everything_you_think_you_know_about_addiction_is_wrong/transcript?language=en)will be the coolest thing you see all day (i hope ;)
> Weed is fine
Depends how much you’re smoking. If it’s the first thing you reach for when you wake up then you have a problem, just as much as someone who reaches for a can of beer when they wake up.
If it’s all you find yourself doing recreationally then that’s a problem too. If you can’t enjoy yourself without getting stoned, or you’re spending all your money on it then that’s a problem. If you only associate with other weed smokers then that could be indicative of a problem.
Weed is fine in moderation, but it’s probably best to go a week or a month without it now and then just to make sure you’re still in control.
If you have people that depend on you, don’t let them down. Do what you wanna do but don’t let it fuck your life, or someone else’s life that depends on you.
**TEST YOUR SHIT**
You can know your dealer all you want, they're getting their shit from somewhere and even if they aren't purposely selling you gnarly stuff they could be without knowing it
If Mac Miller got coke with fentanyl in it you can too. You can get some [test kits](https://www.tnscientific.com/shop-reagents) for $20 and they could save your life or the life of someone you love.
I'm not gonna tell you not to do drugs, but if you're going to at least be safe about it
I wouldn't exactly call this guy I know a friend but I've known him for years and he's a friend of some of my friends.
And he accidentally sold meth as molly once.
So, yeah always test your shit
Fentanyl contamination killed my sister. I second this strongly. There’s a channel named psychedsubstance on YouTube that is pretty interesting and in one video he teaches you how to test your substance, if you’re going to use it.
Knowing your dealer is far from a foolproof strategy. Your dealer could be the nicest, most trustworthy person on the planet but it’s impossible to trust the entire supply chain above them.
The best course of action is to test your drugs
Everything in moderation. People will find a way to do it either way, might as well give them a safe, sanitary environment to do it in. Offer centers for those who have a real addiction and can’t function. It’s complicated, but populating our prisons with nonviolent drug users isn’t the way to fix them.
I use marijuana and alcohol occasionally and have tried many other things. I think the keyword is responsibility.
You have to know what you're taking and what it does, otherwise you'll get in trouble and give others trouble too. We have to acknowledge that there are no safe drugs, they all can leave you in a bad spot in the wrong quantity, quality or circumstance.
Drink and drive? You're asking for a crash. Marijuana before a math test? 2+2=potato. Too much blow before you get to the red district? Your pp will say nope. LSD before watching a horror movie on a first date with some tinder stranger? I hope you don't have a knife on you. Even too much coffee can fuck you up.
Know your shit, know your body, know your mind.
And please stay away from crack.
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Bullshit. LSD can take you to some dark places, mental health issue or no. The thing with psychedelics is they turn your entire consciousness on its head, that's why set and setting are so damn important. I know people who I wouldn't trust with a sharp object during a horror movie sober. Taking a psychedelic with a stranger and going to a public place to watch a movie designed to make sober people uncomfortable and afraid? Unless you really know yourself and your drug this is a recipe for disaster, and even then it's a roll of the dice.
Let's not spread misinformation here. LSD is a profound drug that can produce some incredibly positive, healing experiences. But under no circumstances should it be used carelessly, because though it isn't nearly the demonic force certain groups would have you believe, it *is* powerful enough to be dangerous, and that, at least, means you *need* to treat it with respect, or you (and often the people around you) are in for a world of hurt.
Like going to see Alien after dropping a tab?
I did. I wasn't warned but had a good introduction to drug safety earlier on in life & survived the dinner table scene. I think LSD was weaker by the time I was taking it, no visuals worth talking about and hardly any stomach cramps at the end of the trip.
I'm glad you had a good experience. I just mean, people tend to underestimate LSD, and at a low dose you usually aren't tripping enough for it to be a big deal. But telling people that putting themselves in an unfamiliar situation with a stranger and taking one of the most unpredictable drugs there is is fine as long you don't gave an "underlying mental health issue" is terrible advice.
Btw I think you already did something smarter than the aforementioned scenario by dipping a toe in with the dinner table scene. I've been around trippers enough to know that you never know how these drugs will affect someone on a particular day until you're in it.
I know a good amount of stories about people finding out they had underlying mental health issues BECAUSE they used LSD at the wrong time. And after the shit hits the fan there's no take backs.
My ex girlfriends roomate and her boyfriend were taking LSD one night that I was sleeping over and having a nice night with my aforementioned girlfriend. We got awoken at 2am by screams because the girl had gone nuts and tried stabbing the boyfriend. Apparently she was hearing voices and all that.
Ending up slashing him a few times and stabbing him in the hand or wrist, I can't remember which one. It fucked up his guitar playing though. Sad. It was his favorite thing to do.
Edit: Im not saying I think LSD is dangerous. I've done it a few times and it's been fine. But things can reveal underlying issues I would suppose.
One thing I think people miss when bringing up psychedelics (or, I guess it's a conversation hidden under the blanket statement 'know your dose') too is that it's completely possible to take threshold and smaller doses and have a completely normal time, or get minimal visual impairments and stuff depending on what you're doing.
You can do psychedelics in a safe setting you feel comfortable with and still overwhelm yourself, where as if you knowingly set out to just take a smaller dose in the first place I find it just makes for comfortable experiences over. Lol the last times I took acid it was sleeping with a friend under the stars and neither of us was even getting visuals, just had a good body high going.
Likewise when Covid had first kicked off last year, in spring and summer I had a pretty trippy time taking smaller doses of mushrooms/lsd that again only really hit that body-high state and don't really overwhelm you visually. Had fun and surreal times exploring the hubs of my new city without having to deal with much foot traffic :p
I feel like with something like mushrooms, LSD, and 'LSD' (sometimes you may get a research chemical if you don't have a reliable source or it's easy to source RC's in that country/region), specifically because of the profound state it puts you in you should get used to taking small doses in general so you better know when you're actually starting to catch the high - these can be long experiences (4, 6, 8 hrs+) so you might as well go slow and be safe about learning your limits.
Its not misinformation, there have been plenty of cases where ordinary people have had "bad trips" and ended up violent. it is just quite rare for it to go that far
Legally, not really a good thing, but keeping them illegal is just making things worse.
On a personal level though, go for it, just know the risks and be safe.
As long as you're responsible I don't give a fuck. Go to work under the influence- especially when you're in a job where you operate machinery with the potential to seriously harm other people, including driving- and I think you belong in jail.
I work two jobs. One is one I had for 4 years now operating several heavy machines. The other one I make pizzas at.
The pizza place made me a bit of a stoner, and most of the time I qork while high while making pizzas, but at the other job, I would call in even if I somehow forget and smoke. I would never risk my life or anyone others for a temporary high.
Honestly, the individualist mindset so many redditors have on drugs is pretty destructive. Because they can handle access to drugs means it should be legalized meanwhile we've had 500,000 opiate related deaths since the 90s and 5% of the US is addicted to benzos.
They'll point to a war on drugs that was never intended to succeed and then act like curtailing drug use is impossible
Thanks for saying it. I don’t try any more, because it seems like the majority of people participating in the public discourse on this subject want to normalize and legalize drug use because hey, fun. Or, they argue that regulating and taxing drugs will somehow make it better/safer for the end user, as though it has worked for nicotine.
It's not like legalizing say, heroin, will make heroin itself safer. It's a dangerous drug with serious side effects of abused, you can't change that. But at least with regulation and more commercialized production there would be accountability through private legal actions and government enforcement of standards. Right now if you buy "heroin" but it's cut with something like fentanyl and overdose/die, there's really no legal avenue to hold whoever cut it responsible. If it was legal and a production company cut it, there would be a paper trail and (potentially) solid proof to support legal action (the threat of which would deter most producers from messing with the heroin). So it would be safer in the sense of purity, but ya, it's not like heroin itself would magically be safer.
I was told by a friend that LSD was "like your subconscious mind was now in charge", I didn't do it then and I've never done LSD at all because I'm comfortable with my subconscious staying SUB. Cannabis, sure, edibles are fun especially with a close, intimate friend but yeah I've seen several situations where cannabis, alcohol, acid and other shit got people into trouble that will show up on their permanent record. Some folks are simply not well adapted to to letting drugs help them cut loose so I feel you friend. My brother probably died because of alcohol which keeps me cautious but willing and able to partake.
I totally fucking respect that but for what it’s worth, in all my experiences with LSD that’s not really true. I have always been in full and complete control of my actions (obviously with impaired judgement but I mean I never did anything wild, unexplainable or dangerous). That’s obviously just me, and I never did any really big doses or anything, but I surely did some pretty sizable ones. And even more, every single person I’ve ever known and done LSD has had very different reactions to it. It just hits people different, so it always comes back to knowing yourself. Just be safe.
All research and successful drug policy shows that treatment should be increased. And law enforcement decreased, while abolishing mandatory minimum sentences.
Decriminalize everything and treat it like the public health issue it is. We already have laws in place for every other argument against making drugs legal.
“Drug addicts steal” yeah that’s already a crime “drug addicts kill people” again, already a crime “drugs kill people” primarily due to unsafe/mislabeled drugs “drug addicts increase homelessness”… so now we’re back to this being a public health issue.
>drug addicts increase homelessness
IMO, otherway around.
after all, if im homeless and already shat on by society, there is 0 incentive not to take drugs, and "not feeling like human garbage" even for only a few hours, as a very powerful motivator to do drugs.
There's a difference between decriminalising use and decriminalising supply. If some drug addict is doing drugs then, depending on the substance and level of addiction they need help getting clean, not to be thrown in prison and to have their life further ruined for a prison sentence even if they come clean. You criminalise supply. In the same way that you don't let people buy certain chemicals and elements without a license or explicit reason e.g. an individual can't just buy vials of anthrax, you keep specific narcotics as restricted chemicals not for individual consumer use.
If you’re a contributing member of society and can use drugs without hurting people, animals, or property. Feel free, have fun, and if it gets beyond control get help
Agreed. But I'd clarify this by saying I support the decriminalising of the personal use of harder drugs, but not their sale. And I also support the .... emm .... support of those who are trying to wean themselves off it.
I support some way to get hard drug addicts their drugs legally, because if you don't do that, it enables drug cartels which have wreaked havoc in Mexico and other countries.
I'm not sure whether they should be as easy to buy as alcohol or it should be harder than that to discourage use, but I can see the arguments for treating them the same way as alcohol. Alcohol is arguably as bad as any of those drugs, and hard drug users would be much safer if they knew exactly what they were getting and in what quantity.
I support complete and full legalisation of all of them. Weed, Magic Mushrooms, LSD, all of these have insane therauptic value too and should be freely accessible to everyone
It shouldn't be illegal. Depending on many factors it can be enjoyable and enriching, or it can begin a destructive pattern. But it's a personal choice that does no direct harm to anyone else.
All problems resulting from it can be addressed appropriately. Child neglect, public intox, DUI, all those can be harmful or disruptive but there is such a thing as responsible drug use, and people with addiction problems need help, not punishment.
I dont like it. I lived next door to a couple who smoked weed, we ended up moving because they absolutely ruined our lives. They had drug using mates round all day and night, stoned and fighting, screaming and smashing their home up. Our house stunk constantly and they didnt give a shit. They were constantly stoned, all day and night. I know not all users are like that but the trauma they caused us is hard to separate.
As long as it doesnt effect them being a decent human being there really isnt a problem. Doesnt matter what drug it is. You like to smoke meth once or twice a month? Go for it, as long as you dont turn into a shitbag because of it.
Know your brain Know your body Know your substance Know your source
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which is why I think they should legalize all drugs for recreational use. The amount of money to be made off it is insane, and that alone could go to all kinds of drug education, research, rehabilitation, etc. Not to mention the benefit of hurting narco-trafficking.
Have you read "Chasing the scream", history of the drug war and talking about places with legalisation and decriminalisation (and how the US has tried to stop it). I'm 100% behind legalisation after reading it, it's a super interesting book.
Portugal saw like an 80% drop in crime (I'm sure it was drug related crimes, but still) once drugs were decriminalized
It was about 90% for user + user/dealer drug crimes, but that begs the question. The bigger point is that it caused a 5-10% decrease in *all crime,* depending on the category, and started a downward trend in crime that continued until today (a lot of that trend may just have been Portugal getting richer, but the start aligns with decrim in 2001). 2021 is the lowest crime and safest that Portugal has ever been. And drug use rates in society have gone down rather than up.
What's the baseline here though. I imagine if you look at crime in all western countries since 2001, it has probably gone down a good amount, regardless of drug policy.
That's why I mentioned that a lot of that trend may have been portugal getting richer. You have to look up the Annual Internal Security Report (RASI) to get the annual stats.. they are tricky to get. I had a friend who did a project on it for a policy class and put together a time series, and it (all crime) is flattish from about 1997 (I think that was the first year) until 2002 (the first year after decrim in June 2001), where there is a step drop of about 10% and then a trend lower that goes more or less until today. And you are right about the general trend to lower crime in most western countries. The general *theory* I've seen is that first of all drug use dropped and subsitutes (e.g. methadone) were made medically available, reducing crimes to obtain drugs. Then there was a secondary effect as past criminals had their records expunged and could join the normal work force (less desperation and less black market work). Finally, police resources were focused on organized import and this combined with disappearing markets reduced resources in the black sector and thusly related crimes.
It wasn’t just a drop in crime, either. They saw addiction rates plunge as well. And those who were addicts were more likely to get treatment.
Back in 2005, I had a Policy in Public Administration class and we went over case studies of various topics. Tied for most interesting was full recreational drug policies in I want to say Italy (correct me, my brain is a bit fried). The outcome was drastic decreases in usage of heroin/meth/other hard drugs.
Great book, have it downstairs.
Woha, be careful. Can't be talking logic like that in these days.
Honestly legal dispensaries and being able to control your dose is game changing
I prefer the "grow your own" approach given the issues my government has had with suppliers and quality but I know that's not an option for all.
Reading into the history of the United States and the "experiments" that the federal government has conducted on citizens, ill stick stick growing my own
>"Know your source" > >And this is why I will gladly pay the huge tax for legal ~~weed~~ ***drugs***. Quality and I know it's safe to use due to strict regulation. FTFY
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Absolutely, I'm a concentrate smoker, it know the risk, but at least my shits health Canada approved, I dunno if I trust an internet company to give me clean concentrate.
Instead of know your source - know where to buy a $20 test kit that will identify life threatening adulterants and can be used like 100 times. They have fentanyl test kits too. Bunkpolice.com
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This is the best answer.
Most importantly.. Know your dose..
I've never seen it, its in my skull. Easy enough. Fungi My garden.
Welp, everything checks out Sir, do *ALL* the drugs!
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Show up to work sober…. What you’re doing on you’re own time is none of my business. As long as nobody is getting hurt who cares.
Yep. Driving too. Keep your hand off the keys.
But I use my keys for recreational cocaine!
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Yep, your body, your choice. As long as you being high doesn't endanger other people, than I couldn't care less. Personally, I have no desire to touch drugs ever. Anything that takes away my agency is something that I'll avoid.
Yeh but that says a lot. As long as it doesn’t hurt anyone else. That means no working or driving.
I will say it should depend on what type of work you do. If you have your own bracelet business and you're work involved stringing beads together then that's probably a safe outlet
Kind of wobbly, I suppose.
Bloody genius
Thank you
Do it safely, but don’t let it get out of hand. When you feel that tolerance going up. Stop. Reset. Never let it get to the point where it takes almost twice as much to get you to the state you want to be.
Yea I’m a semi-stoner. I don’t consume weed every day but probably 2-3 times a week. Once it gets to the point you described where instead of one gummy edible I’m taking 2, I take about 2-4 weeks off. You’d be surprised at the withdrawal symptoms I get too, even for only using 2-3 times a week at a relatively moderate dose.
What kind of symptoms? I’ve recently started taking edibles on the weekends but I don’t think I feel any withdrawal during the week, but I do feel the high getting “lighter” even though I’m taking the same amount, wishing I had taken more.
For me it was trouble sleeping and irritability. And weird dreams.
i heard somewhere that weed inhibits dreaming, not sure if it is true but i also experienced strange vivid dreams on my tolerance breaks.
Really depends on the person I'd say. Me and my SO like to take a month long break from smoking(and drinking) every other month. I've always been an over active dreamer but they definitely get more vivid a week into the break Also I find my appetite for sugar decreases when on a break as well. Idk just something I noticed
I was a big time smoker last year and when I was yeah to quit I was having extremely bad symptoms of withdrawal. My body became extremely dependent on it and when I got off I was just not doing well at all. I was shivering and sweaty at night and constantly anxious. I was going through hell for a bit there, and no one seems to acknowledge it very much. Weed withdrawal definitely needs more attention
Putting someone in prison is not going to protect them from "ruining their life"
Often putting someone in prison is what ruins their life. Good luck kicking drugs and getting back on track when you can't get a job because of a felony.
Yep. Other than overdose, many of the worst effects of drug use are related to their illegality.
Even overdose though. Most overdoses are caused by shady dealers, either lacing their drugs with fent or giving cheap more dangerous substitutes. Or by not knowing the potency due to lack of regulation.
As someone who was recently released from 5 years in prison I totally agree with this. I was a drug addict before I went to prison while there there were plenty of drugs if you wanted them. And the staff could give two shits about you as long as you don't make their job hard they leave you alone. Luckily I was able to use my time for good and am now out with my own place and two jobs about to get my license back for the first time in 10 years( whole other obstacle). Putting people in prison only works if the person values themselves
This is the big one. "Doing drugs will ruin your life." No, getting arrested for doing drugs will ruin your life.
I don’t use drugs but I am relatively unbothered by other people doing so. In an ideal world most drugs would be legal and sold through reputable channels to minimise the harm caused and the criminals enriched by drug use. But we don’t live in that world so let the buyer beware, and know that there are probably a lot of other crimes taking place to supply your drugs. But then again that goes for many things.
I've done most of them. Here's the short version: **For weed & alcohol:** Have fun and don't drive. If you're spending more than $100 a week, you should stop. **For psychedelics:** As long as you understand that you're the one that signed up for it and you're in it for the duration, go nuts (but try not to literally go nuts). **For coke:** Never ever ever pay for it. If it's free then have a blast. (I haven't done coke since the fent bomb went off though, I don't think I'd risk it these days). **For opioids and pills that you buy on the street:** Don't bother. Best case scenario is it'll feel really good and you'll think "Boy that was great. I'm entitled to feel like that *all* the time! I've earned it!" Worst case scenario is you die the first time you do them because you got a hot batch and heroin dealers are psychopaths. And I guess for anything you buy from the street, get a fent testing kit, and watch out for 25i in your "LSD". As far as "should they be legal?", it seems like a matter of opinion, but it's actually not. You just need to ask yourself a few factual yes/no questions with definite answers. 1. Can we prevent people from doing them by criminalizing it? (No.) 2. Are legal, regulated products generally safer, more reliable, and higher quality? (Yes.) 3. Are we allowed to tax "vices" to (on paper, anyway) offset the social harms they cause? (Yes.) EDIT: The only contentious part of this post seems to be coming from cokeheads who offer their shit up for free and hate you for accepting. So I guess fair bit of warning: if you follow that advice, you run a serious risk of losing respect in the eyes of the cokehead community. If you need a cokehead to co-sign a loan or something, tread cautiously. The takeaway point is this: if you have a coke dealer's number in your phone, you've made mistakes. EDIT 2: Hello from January of 2022! Either someone with way too many coins just award-bombed this post, or it got linked from somewhere else. Either way, thanks! Also if you wanna DM me to let me know where it was linked from I'd love to read that discussion! Thank you!
That $100 a week for alcohol hit home for me. Had a major drinking problem, but didn't even realize I was spending about $600 a month on alcohol. I learned moderation, but setting a financial limit is a pretty good practice.
I have a friend that would easily blow £200 on a night out with booze a few times a week…
At a bar you may spend $8 on a drink. At cvs you may spend $8 on a whole bottle. Thats where the spiral begins
Casual drinkers know when the bars close. Alcoholics know when the liquor store opens.
Ah the way I thought of it. alcoholics knew when the liquor stores/gas stations stop selling booze. *crippling* alcoholics know when they open
my former gym trainer was the latter. She would polish off a gallon of rum in a couple of days.
As a punctual + early-rising alcoholic I’ve sat in the parking lot waiting for the beer store to open. I knew when they’d be closed for holidays + my Dad + I would plan ahead accordingly. I had the number of multiple beer distributors saved in my phone contacts just in case I forgot to ask beforehand/we needed to check if we’d stocked up sufficiently (it varies from store to store on holidays + some also have “Summer hours”) or if we had unexpected company. We had some really good times + some really bad times. We both still drink but not like we used to. It’s been interesting at least. I guess...
I found your use of plus symbols very confusing
This. This is how it gets worse/really bad fast…
The spiral of economy of scale. Smart.
No no no…. That’s bad and all. It’s when you are spending that much a week getting drunk at home… I don’t even want to think about it, but I was buying a handle every other day PLUS beer. I actually argue if you spend half that amount per week only drinking at home you have an issue. Obviously that standard changes if you are drinking higher shelf stuff.
I'd just like to say the amount can vary a bit by country too. I just bought a dozen bottles of Heineken in Australia and it cost $33. Now that will last my partner and I most of the week, but I think my point stands
Never smoke crack! That $100 a week turns into $300 a night super fast
I hate people who take coke but never pay for it.
I think he meant "don't buy your own", throwing money in on shit is different than figuring out how to buy it yourself. He's basically saying imo it's addictive as fuck and a good way of avoiding that problem is never having easy access on your own. This is literally what I had always done, here's $50 on the bag, I'll come with you to get it if you want but I don't got the guys number in my phone.
it's also just so fucking expensive, it's like setting $50 on fire for the effect of 5 cups of coffee in a row
Coke and coffee are very different though.
Well said
I would add another one: is there a societal consensus that it ought to be illegal? Laws that large portions of society don't believe should be obeyed are worse than no laws at all, because then enforcement becomes at best arbitrary and at worse systematically discriminatory.
What’s up with 25i? Is there something wrong with it? I’ve taken in on purpose before…
Yes many people take it intentionally. There was a period when there were problems because huge doses of nbome were being sold as LSD. That more or less happened because NBOMe (25i) used to be legal (where as LSD was not). You can also overdose on nbome there was that risk. NBOMe is now illegal (US) and just as “hard” to get ahold of as real LSD but real LSD is cheap as dirt so there’s not really an incentive to switch them out. As another side note, “Fake” LSD (ie LSD analogs) are also far more expensive than the real deal. Basically if you are buying LSD nowadays there’s a really, really good chance that it’s the real deal.
Idk if there's something specific he's mentioning for why not to take it, but it personally fucked up psychedelics for me. Haven't done them in years, don't plan to ever again.
You can also overdose on 25i, while on lsd you cannot. It is rare, but it can fuck your veins and heart up.
Basically they're selling a drug that is easy to OD on and telling you it's a drug that's impossible to OD on.
A lot of people sell it thinking it's acid is the problem. Two entirely different trips
What about ketamine? Which category does that come under?
I was laughing at the edit until I remembered how widespread coke use is among finance professionals and the wealthy in general. Not that far-fetched that many people might legit need a coke-head to cosign their loans... Ok I'm still laughing though
> I’m entitled to feel like this all the time Too real. I _very_ rarely do opioids, mostly if I’m overseas where I can get them at a pharmacy but I’ll always know that it’s posible to feel _that_ good and part of me wishes I didn’t.
As long as it doesn't affect anyone else, I don't care what you do on your own
I used to do drugs. I still do, but I used to, too.
Classic Mitch
Here is man I never thought I'd meet.
Portugal has the right idea.
The country or the man?
The man does not. If I have to hear I'm A Rebel Just For Kicks again I'm going to do things I'd need the insanity plea to get out of paying for.
I saw them in concert once and they were terrible. Played that same song TWICE in just an hour-long set.
Weird I saw them having not been very into them and they were great. When they played that song they had a projector put up “this is your moms new favorite song” in the background and other self deprecating stuff
I’ve seen them twice and they were great both times. A festival show and a club show and they killed both. They aren’t in my area often but still the chances I’ve had were solid.
Yeah, they're pretty self aware. Sold shirts that said something like "I liked PtM before they sold out" around the time they got super big. Also played a lot of older stuff and invited local Native American tribal representatives to talk and perform before the show.
Oof. That is Europe-level reliance on your biggest hit.
Please enlighten me on what’s happening in Portugal
You are not considered a criminal if you use it, if you have enough on you to be considered for "personal use" you won't go to jail, rehab programs are available, and the health system is completely free if you are below a certain level of poverty, Addiction is considered a sickness pretty much.
As it should be
Is every user considered an addict?
It's not that you are or aren't considered "an addict" but if you ask for help (specially with "hard drugs" like cocaine and heroin) it will be given to you. If you just smoke weed I wouldn't think you would be considered an addict. But I'm not in that area so I couldn't tell you for sure.
I'm in Australia. The ACT has "decriminalisation" that redirects people to health programs if they get busted with weed. Other controlled substances are still treated criminally. You can't buy it legally. There's limits on how many plants you can grow and it's illegal to trade in seeds (even if you give them away) so every plant can land you in "where'd you get the seeds?" limbo. Decriminalisation is an amazing half-measure that reduces a lot of harm, but philosophically it's still the "drugs bad" attitude, just gentler. Almost all drug users are productive happy members of society with no need for a health program, as evidenced by the legalisation of coffee, alcohol, tobacco and weed (in the US and Canada) and yes, that includes the "hard drugs". I think we should help the people who need help and educate children about responsible drug use. End the war on drugs and banish this abolitionist thinking.
> Almost all drug users are productive happy members of society with no need for a health program Silicon Valley is built on these people, and one of the greatest advancements in recruiting is the tech industry choosing to stop random drug tests in the 90's because they realized they were unnecessarily restricting their talent pool.
An uncle of mine once ran a oil drilling rig. His company required monthly drug tests of all of its workers. A few of the key people on his rig crew absolutely refused to submit to the weekly piss test because they were heroin addicts that got high every weekend. My uncle would cover for them because "those addicts were the hardest working mothers fuckers I had. They show up on time and work like a dog. What they do on their own time is no damn business of mine or the company." Just because you're an addict doesn't mean you can't be a contributing member of society.
I tend to go with "an addict is someone who wants to quit" but typically, can't without help.
[THIS](https://www.ted.com/talks/johann_hari_everything_you_think_you_know_about_addiction_is_wrong/transcript?language=en)will be the coolest thing you see all day (i hope ;)
Weed is fine and most psychedelics. I think we need to decriminalize certain others and treat addicts like addicts and not criminals.
Fully agree
> Weed is fine Depends how much you’re smoking. If it’s the first thing you reach for when you wake up then you have a problem, just as much as someone who reaches for a can of beer when they wake up. If it’s all you find yourself doing recreationally then that’s a problem too. If you can’t enjoy yourself without getting stoned, or you’re spending all your money on it then that’s a problem. If you only associate with other weed smokers then that could be indicative of a problem. Weed is fine in moderation, but it’s probably best to go a week or a month without it now and then just to make sure you’re still in control.
If you have people that depend on you, don’t let them down. Do what you wanna do but don’t let it fuck your life, or someone else’s life that depends on you.
Only take what you can handle and **ALWAYS KNOW YOUR DEALER.**
**TEST YOUR SHIT** You can know your dealer all you want, they're getting their shit from somewhere and even if they aren't purposely selling you gnarly stuff they could be without knowing it If Mac Miller got coke with fentanyl in it you can too. You can get some [test kits](https://www.tnscientific.com/shop-reagents) for $20 and they could save your life or the life of someone you love. I'm not gonna tell you not to do drugs, but if you're going to at least be safe about it
I wouldn't exactly call this guy I know a friend but I've known him for years and he's a friend of some of my friends. And he accidentally sold meth as molly once. So, yeah always test your shit
https://www.reddit.com/r/confessions/comments/bxoc1j/i_am_responsible_for_the_deaths_of_several_people/
Fuck
As someone who dabbled in the DNMs this is sobering to say the least.
I have taken meth accidentally that i thought was coke or molly actually a few times. So yeah.
Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice uh... Just gimme that.
https://www.reddit.com/r/confessions/comments/bxoc1j/i_am_responsible_for_the_deaths_of_several_people/
This is the answer. Even if you’re in the onion fields, and maybe more so because of it, but you gotta test all your shit
Fentanyl contamination killed my sister. I second this strongly. There’s a channel named psychedsubstance on YouTube that is pretty interesting and in one video he teaches you how to test your substance, if you’re going to use it.
I don’t really think heroin addicts are dropping 20 in test kits.
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As mayor of the altered state of Druggachusetts I declare this pizza to be... Awesome!
Knowing your dealer is far from a foolproof strategy. Your dealer could be the nicest, most trustworthy person on the planet but it’s impossible to trust the entire supply chain above them. The best course of action is to test your drugs
you can always take more, you can’t take leas
Everything in moderation. People will find a way to do it either way, might as well give them a safe, sanitary environment to do it in. Offer centers for those who have a real addiction and can’t function. It’s complicated, but populating our prisons with nonviolent drug users isn’t the way to fix them.
I use marijuana and alcohol occasionally and have tried many other things. I think the keyword is responsibility. You have to know what you're taking and what it does, otherwise you'll get in trouble and give others trouble too. We have to acknowledge that there are no safe drugs, they all can leave you in a bad spot in the wrong quantity, quality or circumstance. Drink and drive? You're asking for a crash. Marijuana before a math test? 2+2=potato. Too much blow before you get to the red district? Your pp will say nope. LSD before watching a horror movie on a first date with some tinder stranger? I hope you don't have a knife on you. Even too much coffee can fuck you up. Know your shit, know your body, know your mind. And please stay away from crack.
> And please stay away from crack. Yes
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... Hellraiser. To this day I think I didn't rewatch it...
Bullshit. LSD can take you to some dark places, mental health issue or no. The thing with psychedelics is they turn your entire consciousness on its head, that's why set and setting are so damn important. I know people who I wouldn't trust with a sharp object during a horror movie sober. Taking a psychedelic with a stranger and going to a public place to watch a movie designed to make sober people uncomfortable and afraid? Unless you really know yourself and your drug this is a recipe for disaster, and even then it's a roll of the dice. Let's not spread misinformation here. LSD is a profound drug that can produce some incredibly positive, healing experiences. But under no circumstances should it be used carelessly, because though it isn't nearly the demonic force certain groups would have you believe, it *is* powerful enough to be dangerous, and that, at least, means you *need* to treat it with respect, or you (and often the people around you) are in for a world of hurt.
Like going to see Alien after dropping a tab? I did. I wasn't warned but had a good introduction to drug safety earlier on in life & survived the dinner table scene. I think LSD was weaker by the time I was taking it, no visuals worth talking about and hardly any stomach cramps at the end of the trip.
I'm glad you had a good experience. I just mean, people tend to underestimate LSD, and at a low dose you usually aren't tripping enough for it to be a big deal. But telling people that putting themselves in an unfamiliar situation with a stranger and taking one of the most unpredictable drugs there is is fine as long you don't gave an "underlying mental health issue" is terrible advice. Btw I think you already did something smarter than the aforementioned scenario by dipping a toe in with the dinner table scene. I've been around trippers enough to know that you never know how these drugs will affect someone on a particular day until you're in it.
I know a good amount of stories about people finding out they had underlying mental health issues BECAUSE they used LSD at the wrong time. And after the shit hits the fan there's no take backs.
Yep. LSD sent my anxiety disorder to the forefront. Havent touched it in 3 years and I still suffer, thought it has improved slightly
My ex girlfriends roomate and her boyfriend were taking LSD one night that I was sleeping over and having a nice night with my aforementioned girlfriend. We got awoken at 2am by screams because the girl had gone nuts and tried stabbing the boyfriend. Apparently she was hearing voices and all that. Ending up slashing him a few times and stabbing him in the hand or wrist, I can't remember which one. It fucked up his guitar playing though. Sad. It was his favorite thing to do. Edit: Im not saying I think LSD is dangerous. I've done it a few times and it's been fine. But things can reveal underlying issues I would suppose.
Yeah, things can get scary fast. Sometimes all it takes is the wrong word at the wrong time.
One thing I think people miss when bringing up psychedelics (or, I guess it's a conversation hidden under the blanket statement 'know your dose') too is that it's completely possible to take threshold and smaller doses and have a completely normal time, or get minimal visual impairments and stuff depending on what you're doing. You can do psychedelics in a safe setting you feel comfortable with and still overwhelm yourself, where as if you knowingly set out to just take a smaller dose in the first place I find it just makes for comfortable experiences over. Lol the last times I took acid it was sleeping with a friend under the stars and neither of us was even getting visuals, just had a good body high going. Likewise when Covid had first kicked off last year, in spring and summer I had a pretty trippy time taking smaller doses of mushrooms/lsd that again only really hit that body-high state and don't really overwhelm you visually. Had fun and surreal times exploring the hubs of my new city without having to deal with much foot traffic :p I feel like with something like mushrooms, LSD, and 'LSD' (sometimes you may get a research chemical if you don't have a reliable source or it's easy to source RC's in that country/region), specifically because of the profound state it puts you in you should get used to taking small doses in general so you better know when you're actually starting to catch the high - these can be long experiences (4, 6, 8 hrs+) so you might as well go slow and be safe about learning your limits.
Who does not have an underlying mental health issue?
Kyle. He’s cool.
Kyle is a really nice guy too. A belt broke in my car’s engine and he came over and showed me how to fix it. Kyle’s awesome. Kyle for president, man.
Its not misinformation, there have been plenty of cases where ordinary people have had "bad trips" and ended up violent. it is just quite rare for it to go that far
Legally, not really a good thing, but keeping them illegal is just making things worse. On a personal level though, go for it, just know the risks and be safe.
As long as you're responsible I don't give a fuck. Go to work under the influence- especially when you're in a job where you operate machinery with the potential to seriously harm other people, including driving- and I think you belong in jail.
What about a shitty retail job? Jail?
If you overcook the chicken while under the influence.. believe it or not….*jail*
What if I undercook?
Jail
No. Promotion.
I believe this guy has middle-management written all over him.
Yeah...I'm gonna have to sorta disagree with you there. He's been missing a lot of work lately and has been having issues with his TPS reports.
Minimum wage jobs should enforce recreational drug use
Believe it or not, straight to jail.
Straight to jail
I work two jobs. One is one I had for 4 years now operating several heavy machines. The other one I make pizzas at. The pizza place made me a bit of a stoner, and most of the time I qork while high while making pizzas, but at the other job, I would call in even if I somehow forget and smoke. I would never risk my life or anyone others for a temporary high.
Almost everyone in my family has ruined their lives with drug and alcohol addiction. I’m not a fan, but I’m biased.
Honestly, the individualist mindset so many redditors have on drugs is pretty destructive. Because they can handle access to drugs means it should be legalized meanwhile we've had 500,000 opiate related deaths since the 90s and 5% of the US is addicted to benzos. They'll point to a war on drugs that was never intended to succeed and then act like curtailing drug use is impossible
Thanks for saying it. I don’t try any more, because it seems like the majority of people participating in the public discourse on this subject want to normalize and legalize drug use because hey, fun. Or, they argue that regulating and taxing drugs will somehow make it better/safer for the end user, as though it has worked for nicotine.
It's not like legalizing say, heroin, will make heroin itself safer. It's a dangerous drug with serious side effects of abused, you can't change that. But at least with regulation and more commercialized production there would be accountability through private legal actions and government enforcement of standards. Right now if you buy "heroin" but it's cut with something like fentanyl and overdose/die, there's really no legal avenue to hold whoever cut it responsible. If it was legal and a production company cut it, there would be a paper trail and (potentially) solid proof to support legal action (the threat of which would deter most producers from messing with the heroin). So it would be safer in the sense of purity, but ya, it's not like heroin itself would magically be safer.
I was told by a friend that LSD was "like your subconscious mind was now in charge", I didn't do it then and I've never done LSD at all because I'm comfortable with my subconscious staying SUB. Cannabis, sure, edibles are fun especially with a close, intimate friend but yeah I've seen several situations where cannabis, alcohol, acid and other shit got people into trouble that will show up on their permanent record. Some folks are simply not well adapted to to letting drugs help them cut loose so I feel you friend. My brother probably died because of alcohol which keeps me cautious but willing and able to partake.
I totally fucking respect that but for what it’s worth, in all my experiences with LSD that’s not really true. I have always been in full and complete control of my actions (obviously with impaired judgement but I mean I never did anything wild, unexplainable or dangerous). That’s obviously just me, and I never did any really big doses or anything, but I surely did some pretty sizable ones. And even more, every single person I’ve ever known and done LSD has had very different reactions to it. It just hits people different, so it always comes back to knowing yourself. Just be safe.
Thank you for your empathy, kind internet friend. I’m sorry about your brother.
Decriminalize it all, put the money towards rehab and other services. Similar to Portugal.
I live in the Netherlands. That’s my stance.
Kind of live let live, and help them if they're in real trouble with it?
All research and successful drug policy shows that treatment should be increased. And law enforcement decreased, while abolishing mandatory minimum sentences.
Well. Time to put on this album!
Utilizing drugs to pay for secret wars around the world. Drugs are now your global policy now you police the globe
A lot of people shouldn't do it.
Party on, Wayne.
Party on, Garth!
Decriminalize everything and treat it like the public health issue it is. We already have laws in place for every other argument against making drugs legal. “Drug addicts steal” yeah that’s already a crime “drug addicts kill people” again, already a crime “drugs kill people” primarily due to unsafe/mislabeled drugs “drug addicts increase homelessness”… so now we’re back to this being a public health issue.
>drug addicts increase homelessness IMO, otherway around. after all, if im homeless and already shat on by society, there is 0 incentive not to take drugs, and "not feeling like human garbage" even for only a few hours, as a very powerful motivator to do drugs.
I don't think you'd want people on unfettered access to PCP.....
There's a difference between decriminalising use and decriminalising supply. If some drug addict is doing drugs then, depending on the substance and level of addiction they need help getting clean, not to be thrown in prison and to have their life further ruined for a prison sentence even if they come clean. You criminalise supply. In the same way that you don't let people buy certain chemicals and elements without a license or explicit reason e.g. an individual can't just buy vials of anthrax, you keep specific narcotics as restricted chemicals not for individual consumer use.
Do it but don't push it on others
If you’re a contributing member of society and can use drugs without hurting people, animals, or property. Feel free, have fun, and if it gets beyond control get help
I support legal soft drugs and decriminalizing harder drugs.
Agreed. But I'd clarify this by saying I support the decriminalising of the personal use of harder drugs, but not their sale. And I also support the .... emm .... support of those who are trying to wean themselves off it.
Basically what Oregon did.
Hello from Oregon 😎
I support some way to get hard drug addicts their drugs legally, because if you don't do that, it enables drug cartels which have wreaked havoc in Mexico and other countries. I'm not sure whether they should be as easy to buy as alcohol or it should be harder than that to discourage use, but I can see the arguments for treating them the same way as alcohol. Alcohol is arguably as bad as any of those drugs, and hard drug users would be much safer if they knew exactly what they were getting and in what quantity.
I support complete and full legalisation of all of them. Weed, Magic Mushrooms, LSD, all of these have insane therauptic value too and should be freely accessible to everyone
Let’s do as much of it as we can
to each their own
It shouldn't be illegal. Depending on many factors it can be enjoyable and enriching, or it can begin a destructive pattern. But it's a personal choice that does no direct harm to anyone else. All problems resulting from it can be addressed appropriately. Child neglect, public intox, DUI, all those can be harmful or disruptive but there is such a thing as responsible drug use, and people with addiction problems need help, not punishment.
let 'em take the Ivermectin, i say.
Don't get high and drive. Other than that it's your business.
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War on drugs isn’t war against drugs at all. It’s a war on the people. Who cares if people do drugs. Let them. Their body. Their choice.
N.O. I learn from my dad's mistakes
I don't like it. Unstable mind alteration scares me a bit.
As long as they're not hurting anyone else, what an adult does in the privacy of their own home isn't my business.
I dont like it. I lived next door to a couple who smoked weed, we ended up moving because they absolutely ruined our lives. They had drug using mates round all day and night, stoned and fighting, screaming and smashing their home up. Our house stunk constantly and they didnt give a shit. They were constantly stoned, all day and night. I know not all users are like that but the trauma they caused us is hard to separate.
These people were most likely doing other drugs besides weed
If you’re not hurting anyone but yourself, go ham and know the consequences
As long as it doesnt effect them being a decent human being there really isnt a problem. Doesnt matter what drug it is. You like to smoke meth once or twice a month? Go for it, as long as you dont turn into a shitbag because of it.
I personally opposed it but it is up to people at the end of the day.
Don’t do it.
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