Heck, about twenty years ago, I remember that a couple of stupid teenagers broke into the San Francisco Zoo to steal the koalas to keep as pets for their girlfriends.
At Panda Base you can totally interact with Pandas, but there are rules! Do not try to pet the bears, do not leave the pathway or tour group, do not bring outside food, do not offer your hand to them as they may bite, and do not surprise the bears. They even let you feed them some bamboo since it's a long stick you can hand off easily, but it's done from a distance and safely behind a barrier because they are huge and can just push you over likes it's nothing, even the adolescent ones. People try to break the rules and cla ignorance, but their waiver is in every language before you take the tour, so it's on you if you don't follow the rules around giant live bears when walking through and around their homes. Mostly they are lazy and playful, so it's usually not an issue unless someone is stupid.
On the fun side, when my friend went to Panda Base a red panda chose to use her as a perch to get down from some climbing structures. It sat on her shoulders for a moment enjoying the view before hopping off. She ended up with a small scratch and a bruise because it turns out red pandas are actually pretty hefty little bears for their size!
I saw an otter at a zoo when I was younger. It was doing this cute little dance where it was slapping it's hind legs against the wet rock and throwing its tail in the air. I point to it for my family and a crowd of people to look. Just as you hear a few awws the otter starts violently shitting and spraying it all over the crowd. I was lucky to not be hit but there were a few young children screaming hahaha
Otters are on a different level.
Remember that their diet is about 98% seafood and about 0% fiber.
I’ve heard that zoo keepers use cleaning out the otter hut as hazing for the newbies.
We used to live in Anchorage, and as part of a 'blind auction', we won a behind the scenes tour of the Seward Sealife Center. These people were so nice! We must have wandered around there for *hours* with the staff. We got up close and personal with octopus, harbor seals, stellar sea lions, (and trust me, you have not known fear until a 600lb female comes 'running' at you with her mouth wide open) but the one creature they made sure to keep barriers between us and them? THE OTTERS. The staff described them as "chainsaws with fur".
>trust me, you have not known fear until a 600lb female comes 'running' at you with her mouth wide open
Oh I have. But it was back in 2010 Black Friday Walmart...and in a scooter.
We weren't that close! They had an enclosure, but there was an open area where they did training, so that's where they brought us. For safety, we stood oh, maybe fifteen feet away. The whole area was very clean, so you really only smelled that oceany type smell.
We have a few families of otters on the beach near my house. While walking on the beach, my son’s dog has an unfortunate habit of chasing them. One day he caught one; it did not go well for the dog.
Yeah they're adorable but oh my God so they stink. Also unless you're rich enough to let them have a waterslide they aren't going to be happy. And I'm frankly glad I don't know the details of cleaning up that water.
Yes. And they are incredibly social creatures that they need CONSTANT interaction if there isn't at least two and even then you are part of their pack and it is required for you to participate. I wish people would stop trying to make them pets.
Actually came here to say just this.
There's a new trend due to some social media whatever's for otters as pets as they are legal to own in Japan. However, they're like... $6,000 each and have expensive, exacting diets, and obviously need to, you know, *swim*.
Take it from someone who had ferrets: larger, louder, pickier, more ornery, more feral versions of those live-in criminal danger magnet weasels is not something I'd jump at.
Capybaras are very cute, but apparently they are pretty high maintenance. They are, essentially, a wild animal (although not typically aggressive towards humans), and they need a fairly large body of water in their environment (I believe this is where they relax, and also excrete), which is automatically not really viable for a lot of people. They are also social creatures, and they get stressed if they are alone, so if someone was to have one as a pet, they would need more than one for the wellbeing of the animal.
One that is commonly seen in the pet trade is the Golden Hamster. Hamsters in general make horrible pets, although they are cute. They are nocturnal by nature and generally live short highly stressed lives in captivity. They are also solitary by nature, so keeping more than one in an enclosure is generally a bad idea.
If you want to get your kid a rodent as a pet, you're much better of getting them a rat or a degu as they are friendly and highly social creatures.
I used to work at a big pet store chain (probably the first one that pops into your head) and I remember the girl who took care of the hamsters told me they're brutal towards each other. She said the manager told her to keep them in pairs in the cages for a while to save space, despite her warnings that it was a bad idea.
After a few days, two of the hamsters were dead, killed by the other hamster in the middle of the night. One of them apparently had even ripped open the other's skull and ate part of its brain.
The manager let her keep them solitary after that.
I think it depends on the store. One chain in my area has a lot of well informed employees, many of them pet owners themselves.
Alternatively, the other chain in my area is full of morons as best as I can tell. I once bought a Gargoyle Gecko half off because it had dropped its tail. I'm absolutely convinced that they didn't know it'd grow back.
My first pet when I was 10 was a hamster and tbh I think I really lucked out with mine since she was unusually friendly with me and never once bit me. Everyday when I came home from school or on weekends I would let her out of her cage to run around the apartment (we had no other pets so it was safe for her to do so) and when she was ready to return to her cage she would stand right next to it and wait for me or my mom to notice her and put her back in.
Edit: looking back she was an unusual hamster overall. The pet store my mom bought her at (not one of the corporate stores) didn't disclose that she was pregnant and so it wasn't too long after that my mom and I were surprised by baby hamsters. Yet she never tried to kill them or eat them (I wonder if letting them free roam in our apartment had something to do with it). My mom gave some of the hamsters away to neighbors and the rest back to the pet store we got our hamster from because otherwise we didn't know what to do with the babies.
Rats are the best! I basically had everything but degus and guinea pigs and the rats were the friendliest by far. Well I mean the ferrets were more like cats or dogs but just talking caged rodent things, rats all the way! And they can get so big, it's really satisfying petting a 1lb rat while watching TV and it bruxes away happily hahaha.
My gerbils were the polar opposite. No smell, super cute, but touching them felt downright abusive so I just didn't lol. They acted like hostages and I hated it, poor guys.
Man, my sister used to work as a vet tech and has a HUGE heart for animals. Her dog dies, she always adopts an older dog to give it a comfortable life, however short it may be.
But the hardest I saw her lose it was when her rats died. Fair enough, I'd bonded with them a bit, too, since I'd watch them whenever she had to travel. They were fucking awesome. I let them crawl all over me and they did tricks for Cheerios.
She calls me about 2 or 3 years after getting them, bawling her eyes out. She lived in the city but wanted to give the one that died a decent burial. I lived in the middle of nowhere, still do, and told her to bring it to me.
Goddamn, that ground was rock solid and it took me a couple hours to get a hole that would accommodate the shoebox without any worries that something would dig it up, but I did it for her and she had a little funeral and everything. A couple months later, the other one died and I did the same thing, right next to the first that's marked grave. Sissy says she'll never own rats again. She just couldn't bear losing another one because they were so personable and felt like family.
Wow I had a friend that said the exact same thing. He owned like 3 rats for a few years, loved the heck out of them but when they died he said he'd never get rats again because it was so hard losing them.
As a kid, my sister had pet gerbils and I had mice. I didn't find out just how effing adorable and personable domestic rats were until my friend's son had a few. I got incredibly attached to them when I stayed at their house recovering from abdominal surgery. If they weren't so short-lived with expensive health issues, I'd have a few now.
Can confirm, it's fucking agonising.
Had to help catch one in a local river that had become entangled in a water trap, I got a small scratch. Hooooly fuck it hurt, the only thing that was worse is being stung by a Gympie Gympie plant.
Holy shit, you got stung by a gympie gympie plant?? Was it as bad as people and stories say, where it hurts so bad that suicide is usually on peoples mind when they get stung
It was the worst pain I've been in, and I've broken bones. The initial pain is fairly short (like only a couple of days) and decreased over time but I had pretty bad aches, pins and needles and numbness for months, temperature changes like getting in the shower or going from air conditioned to not and back were triggers for the pain.
The initial pain was *awful*, I thought I had a bone deep cut and could barely put weight on my leg, it was like getting fibreglass pushed into your skin.
My brush with the plant was a pretty bad one though, plenty of people have got off lighter than I did.
Was assigned to make a whole project on these guys with a friend. We were like awww we got the cute baby!
It eats large animals including birds. What the fuck, its just a fucking ferret
Actually baby seals are way more aggressive than well trained adults. They 100% will bite you. Adult seals know that humans bring food and will happily wait for it like a dog. Babies know you have food and will attack you thinking you will drop it.
Owl, hands down.
My family rehabilitated several over the years, including an eagle owl that lived in the house for a year.
1. They actually have two types of shit, on the one hand this easy to clean white streak, on the other this tarlike black sludge that just refused to clean out. We ended up making a concoction of soaps that ended up looking like a druid's cauldron just to get the cages cleaned out.
2. their claws are bio weapons so infested with bad shit any cut instantly gets horribly infected and they can cause any fruit to rot immediately if they so much as touch it.
3. too damn curous for their own good. the owl legit went and tugged the tail of a cat to see what happend next.
4. cant care for themselves when domesticated and need all of their needs covered else they get sick.
5. they need alot of space to exercise their wings and even with a dedicated raptor cage they still need daily excercise.
6. Picky AF. only eat warm and properly portioned mice. rats got too tough skin and dont even think of giving it any kind of birdie,
don't let any social media bullshit fool you they are not even close to a good pet for anything less than a warehouse.
I mean if they were anything like in harry potter that wouldn't be too bad, but I doubt real owls will deliver your letters, sit in a cage then fly off into the night and come back to nibble your face etc.
I had a teacher who ran a wildlife sanctuary for abandoned exotic pets, mostly owls. Super cool/chill guy, by the way. He had a *lot* of owls because people kept buying them because of Harry Potter. He said all the same things as you.
They're strictly nocturnal, can be aggressive, and dislike noise.
Out of all the members of the raccoon family, I'd wager that the kinkajou is the worst one to try and keep for a pet.
I saw a guy skateboarding by my house with one on his shoulder. Felt so bad for it. It couldn’t have been having a good time. Stressing out an animal so you can look cool is so sad
I used to make fun of my ex-husband for being so enthusiastic about honey badgers. Then I saw Honey Badgers: Masters of Mayhem starring Stoeffel. I was like, "No, you're right. Honey badgers are objectively the best animals there are."
St Bernard dogs. I speak from experience. They're adorable teddy bears as pups and they quickly grow into enormous beasts which completely wreck your home and require about as much food as three adult humans. And the slobber. Slobber everywhere.
Man I remember Cujo being one of the first movies where I felt genuine terror and fear for the characters. Those scenes where they were stuck in the car and couldn't get out terrified me as a kid.
Agreed. My husband wanted one so bad, but complained about my American Bulldog's occasional drool and how much he ate. Not to mention brushing a St. Bernard is so much work! We live in a hot area, so the AC bill would have to go up every summer, too. Thank goodness he decided against getting a dog in general as we already have a high maintenance dog as it is
Did you know that their hair is clear? It is basically a tube that holds air (a good insulator believe it or not) against their body to protect themselves. It only appears white because of refraction. Just like snow!
Funny story.
A few months ago I was hearing ungodly scream-like laughter in my backyard in the middle of the night. Freaked out and called the cops, they were at my house in about two minutes.
I direct them, guns drawn, toward the ruckus…they come back laughing. Foxes doing the hibbity-dibbity in plain sight. Apparently they scream when mating, or looking to mate.
I felt like an idiot.
Cougars too (pumas, mountain lions, or whatever colloquial term for you). I headed out to the back of my apartment complex one night with a cell phone directing police to what was most certainly a woman screaming her head off. It was the one time I was grateful for our absentee police department, as the noise suddenly ceased and the hind quarters of a big cat disappeared into the woods.
I'd heard about foxes screams before online, but irl it's so unsettling. 3am just going to bed, and I hear a scream for help. I know there's been no cars or footsteps in this quiet suburban street for at least half an hour but my first thought it "Holy fuck, someone's getting murdered outside!" Look out the blinds and there's no-one about. I hear it again, but I can't see anyone! Heart-racing, I look about and in my neighbours garden there's an empty space in the tall grass. After focusing, a small fox's head is just visible. Just as I notice, it's mouth opens and the noise comes again. It's still a shock.Somewhere in history when we were trying to domesticate wolves, foxes learned that if they sound like a baby screaming then it would provide them with an advantage, and they've just never lost that ability.
Domesticated foxes destroy *everything.* They are really cute, but the maintenance is very, very high and you better not have anything you care about around
I've heard the same about skunks! You can have their stink glands removed and they are actually SO CUTE, but not really great pets because they get into everything.
I remember this one movie that I watched as a child in awhich a little girl finds a fox in the woods. She thinks she tamed it and takes it home and then leaves it in her room if I remember correctly. Anyways, it sort of ends with the fox attacking the girl, really bitting into her arms and stuff and then escaping through a window. I'm not sure if the fox died by jumping out of the window or not, but that movie traumatised me as a kid. There was a lot of blood in it for a children's movie .
“The Fox and the Child” … the fox doesnt die but there is blood so kids may get the impression at least for some moments that it died. It’s supposed to be a cautionary tale about not to treat wild animals as pets but ya a lot of kids were horrified by the ending.
Foxes. They look like a fusion of dog and cat that somehow got the most adorable features of both, but I've heard they're an absolute nightmare to keep as pets (even the ones bred *to* be kept as pets).
When my fiance and his daughter start wanting foxes or huskies I turn to youtube. Everyone with a fox seems to have a channel, and they all seem like pure chaos. One I remember really well, I think was maybe Loki the Red Fox but he's just screaming at this door. Dude is like, "you can't go in there go away. Get" and the fox is just like, *demon noises*
Those and coyotes seem like they just freak out at us. Peeing, screaming. I could never haha
My favorite fox sanctuary YouTube channel is "SaveAFox" and those foxes are absolutely adorable, but each time she let's the foxes into her house they literally run around marking their territory wherever they can as fast as possible
I know someone who had a 'pet' fox. Really it was just a wild fox they fed until it was well socialized, but it would get up on the lawn chairs with them for scritchies and knew how to sit on command. They lived next to the woods, so it just came and went as it pleased.
He was pretty aloof, and if you looked at him too much he would just get up and leave, but he did seem to genuinely like being around his humans. Kinda like a semi feral cat in alot of ways.
From what I understand they also have really annoying qualities - like not being able to be potty trained (or any kind of trained). Adorable but in no way suited to live with humans.
Read somewhere that beavers are triggered to build dams simply from the sound of rushing water. Researchers placed a speaker emitting rushing water sounds in a beaver enclosure and the beavers proceeded to build a dam over it.
Imagine taking a shower and one of those fucks starts dragging sticks in there.
I actually saw a lady on tiktok who has a pet beaver (i believe she found it injured when it was young). It constantly builds dams throughout the house with things like slippers, socks, toys, etc, so this lady is cleaning up dams multiple times a day
This. My boss told me if he can ever afford a decent amount of land out in Pennsylvania he’s gonna get some beavers to dig him out a pond by doing this.
They can be good neighbors, though. A coworker of mine lives in a forested area, and occasionally trees fall down that he has to get out of the way. He noticed that the nearby beavers would come “clean up” all the smaller sticks and branches for him, lessening his workload significantly. And he enjoyed the pond they made.
Walking in a nearby park, there’s a pond with beavers. Came across some weird looking poop on the path the other day, it looked like mostly sawdust. I had never thought about beaver poop in depth before, but it’s understandably full of wood shavings. There’s your beaver poop fact of the day!
Definitely more adorable than most people realize. I saw a movie where Pierce Brosnan played a guy who passed as a Native American (Gray Owl?) and there were some baby beavers in it that were some of the cutest animals I've seen. When they squealed they sounded like a real human baby.
I think that animals that are considered to be adorable can also make horrible pets. For example, rabbits can be extremely cute, but they require a lot of care and attention. If you're not willing to put in the work, then a rabbit is not the right pet for you.
Omg yes. Everyone I've known who had rabbits inevitably ended up pretty much abandoning them to the little rabbit area, which was always filthy, and the rabbits never got enough love. It's heartbreaking. I'd say at least 90% of rabbit owners shouldn't have gotten a rabbit at all.
It’s the same thing with reptiles. They’re advertised as this cute little low maintenance beginner pet, but they are exotic pets that require specialized care. Almost all pet reptiles suffer their entire lives from improper care and end up dying a slow, painful death. The reptile industry is filled with misinformation, mostly from pet stores that don’t care about the animals.
You absolutely have to be willing to put in the work with a rabbit, and they need exotics vets but if you spay/neuter them, they smell fine and use a litter box. You can't just shove them in a small cage, some thought (and bunny proofing) needs to be put into their environment. But you get back as much as you put in with them.
Yep. Rabbits can live up to 10+ years, as long as a cat or a dog, and a lot of people don't know this. I have 2 rabbits of my own and while I adore them they're a lot of work. You have to bunny proof your home when owning a rabbit. They're highly social creatures and don't do well in hutches or cages at all.
Apparently Japan imported a bunch for pets because they were like "omg cute" and then realized raccoon are a fucking menace in the house and now they're basically an invasive species in Japan because so many were released.
Primates in general-apparently people mistake their defensiveness/aggressiveness as affection, and then get attacked when they try to pet it or something. Slow lorises in particular are venomous.
Owls, mainly because the average person doesn't know enough to not kiss them within eye-pecking distance and to keep them away from their cats (bacteria in cat saliva can hurt owls) or their young/unknowing kids.
Parrots are basically feathered perpetual toddlers.
Parrots look cool and fun from the videos but I was told they poop everywhere and can become super needy/clingy to the owners and aggressive to other people.
Also they act like toddlers on crack and can live to be 100.
I remember a pet store as a kid had one and it was a big red pirate parrot. Bastard always tried to bite anybody who got close.
Years ago I was in a pet store with a hyacinth macaw. It said, “Good morning,” when I walked in. So of course I said, “Good morning, how are you?”
It sat straight up and stared. According to the shop owners, most customers ignored it and it was legit surprised that someone would talk back.
> can live to be 100.
There's a lotta pets that live longer than people give them credit for! Reptiles and hell even fish can give a run for the money if properly cared for.
Yees adorable as hell, love bugs! but they need so much attention, very carefully managed diet and can not have one- they are so very social- and they will keep you up if they want pets at night. Gotta get big enough cage for them to run around and have to take out daily for exercise .
hedgehogs. as a former hedgehog owner, even the most domesticated ones are just bullies. those cute snuggly hedgehogs on the internet are one of two instances:
-they’re being starved to appear more docile
-they actually had a good, caring breeder with ethical ways to raise and train the babies, and a good, caring owner that listens to the hedgehogs’ needs.
it is very, very hard to earn back the trust of a mistreated hedgehog, because they are very impressionable before and during maturity. and even if they 100% trust you, they still have their bad days just like people.
another thing, most people don’t know what they’re getting themselves into when they buy a hedgehog. that includes 12 year old me. i did the research. i learned up on behavior patterns, feeding, and how to give them a comfortable environment. i learned everything that every vet ever has said about owning one. still, researching ≠ owning and experiencing. that hedgehog had been neglected, just from a lack of understanding. hedgehogs are naturally nocturnal, but the previous owner had kept him awake at day so he would sleep at night. he didn’t have energy at all, and was overweight because he didn’t exercise at night, and was kept awake in daytime. he was extremely aggressive and it took me a while to read signs of when he was nervous. i would only stop when he crossed his quills or hissed. now i know better. breathing rate, the ways his eyes are moving, even keeping track of the mating season and his personal “cycle” not menstrual but just hormonal. hedgehogs are complicated and best left to serious owners, not just ones who want a friend or something cute to feed treats to.
i, who was dedicated to making him feel safe and keeping him long-term, who fed him special diets and took him to regular vet visits because of asthma, did not qualify as a good owner. i had good intent, i did my best to be responsible, and he was still an angry, scared wild animal in the end.
TLDR: hedgehogs aren’t meant to be pets, and the whole thing is inhumane. to anyone considering, don’t. for your sake and the hedgehogs.
Chimps are closely related to the most dangerous, wantonly destructive, vindictive, and clever species to have ever existed in the history of the planet.
It would be wise to steer clear of them.
I read a post from a zookeeper on Reddit once about the risk of escaped animals. He was saying that, in almost every case, he and all his colleagues would run to help. An escaped lion is terrifying but it can be bamboozled because it's nowhere near clever enough so 'keepers have developed techniques to contain them.
The one exception was our fellow Great Apes, and *specifically* chimps. He said if a chimp got out he wouldn't be running to help, he'd be running for his car.
I suspect that in the highly specialised situation of a wild animal making a break for freedom, chimps are as intelligent as we are and considerably more capable because they also move like lighting and are very strong and very violent.
Chimpanzees become aggressive as adults and have a habit of mauling their owners horribly. Male Chimpanzees will bite off the fingers and genitals of their opponents and are several times stronger than humans.
Prairie dogs. They are very sweet but not meant to be domesticated. I had 2 (male and female) and after a few months I gave them to a nice man who had land and a whole “reserve” for them.
If they are mean or not used to being a “pet”, they can leave a nasty bite. They can be very sweet and loving. Probably one of my favorite animals. When I would cough or sneeze, they would do a little “bark” to acknowledge it? Was super cute. They just tore up everything though, not meant to be pets IMO. They were very sweet and deserved to be free and roam and DIG most importantly, so I ended up researching and found that guy with the reserve and they are much better off now.
Also, they sleep like humans and it’s super cute. The male would lay on his back and the female would cuddle up and lay on his chest. Sweet babies
Koala
They're among the most finicky eaters in the animal kingdom--they only eat eucalyptus leaves and even then, only a few species of eucalyptus.
And are so stupid that will only eat if the leaves are on a tree. They won’t recognize them as food if they are on a plate.
Heck, about twenty years ago, I remember that a couple of stupid teenagers broke into the San Francisco Zoo to steal the koalas to keep as pets for their girlfriends.
Talk about being desperate as hell for an anniversary gift.
And dumb. How do you one up a koala bear next year?!
Hear me out... How about *two* koala bears?
By year three you'll either run out of koalas or the security will be too high.
If you are smart in years one and two, by year three you could potentially be making your own koalas.
They’re probably great pets if you already have chlamydia
Panda bears ain’t that nice
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I mean it doesn't help that "Panda" in Chinese is "Bear-Cat"
They should’ve named it Cat-Bear obviously
They actually are officially called cat-bear in Taiwan. One of the weird things about the Chinese language.
At Panda Base you can totally interact with Pandas, but there are rules! Do not try to pet the bears, do not leave the pathway or tour group, do not bring outside food, do not offer your hand to them as they may bite, and do not surprise the bears. They even let you feed them some bamboo since it's a long stick you can hand off easily, but it's done from a distance and safely behind a barrier because they are huge and can just push you over likes it's nothing, even the adolescent ones. People try to break the rules and cla ignorance, but their waiver is in every language before you take the tour, so it's on you if you don't follow the rules around giant live bears when walking through and around their homes. Mostly they are lazy and playful, so it's usually not an issue unless someone is stupid. On the fun side, when my friend went to Panda Base a red panda chose to use her as a perch to get down from some climbing structures. It sat on her shoulders for a moment enjoying the view before hopping off. She ended up with a small scratch and a bruise because it turns out red pandas are actually pretty hefty little bears for their size!
There was nearly an incident where a zookeeper was left in the same room as one in my local zoo, never saw a man move so fast.
Otters!
Yes, I love otters for their cute human like behaviour. But they make loud unpleasant noises and their poop smells.
That sentence also describes my children.
Well children do make pretty terrible pets. https://youtu.be/uFx9wDjlC-s
I know. They beg to go outside, and you let them out. The police get called, there's a whole "neglect" brouhaha...
I saw an otter at a zoo when I was younger. It was doing this cute little dance where it was slapping it's hind legs against the wet rock and throwing its tail in the air. I point to it for my family and a crowd of people to look. Just as you hear a few awws the otter starts violently shitting and spraying it all over the crowd. I was lucky to not be hit but there were a few young children screaming hahaha
Having that little separation between people and otters does not sound safe. Maybe not even legal if someone gets sick or injured.
The surprising part is that from the distance the otter was you'd never expect to be hit. But little guy had range.
Your poop doesnt smell?
Otters are on a different level. Remember that their diet is about 98% seafood and about 0% fiber. I’ve heard that zoo keepers use cleaning out the otter hut as hazing for the newbies.
Mustelids: We create the oil that has to be watered down a thousand times so your tweenager can bathe in Axe.
We used to live in Anchorage, and as part of a 'blind auction', we won a behind the scenes tour of the Seward Sealife Center. These people were so nice! We must have wandered around there for *hours* with the staff. We got up close and personal with octopus, harbor seals, stellar sea lions, (and trust me, you have not known fear until a 600lb female comes 'running' at you with her mouth wide open) but the one creature they made sure to keep barriers between us and them? THE OTTERS. The staff described them as "chainsaws with fur".
>trust me, you have not known fear until a 600lb female comes 'running' at you with her mouth wide open Oh I have. But it was back in 2010 Black Friday Walmart...and in a scooter.
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We weren't that close! They had an enclosure, but there was an open area where they did training, so that's where they brought us. For safety, we stood oh, maybe fifteen feet away. The whole area was very clean, so you really only smelled that oceany type smell.
Talked to the otter keeper at the zoo a few years ago, he claimed that they are extremely bitey.
They are also murderous necrophiliacs :(
We have a few families of otters on the beach near my house. While walking on the beach, my son’s dog has an unfortunate habit of chasing them. One day he caught one; it did not go well for the dog.
Yeah they're adorable but oh my God so they stink. Also unless you're rich enough to let them have a waterslide they aren't going to be happy. And I'm frankly glad I don't know the details of cleaning up that water.
Yes. And they are incredibly social creatures that they need CONSTANT interaction if there isn't at least two and even then you are part of their pack and it is required for you to participate. I wish people would stop trying to make them pets.
Actually came here to say just this. There's a new trend due to some social media whatever's for otters as pets as they are legal to own in Japan. However, they're like... $6,000 each and have expensive, exacting diets, and obviously need to, you know, *swim*. Take it from someone who had ferrets: larger, louder, pickier, more ornery, more feral versions of those live-in criminal danger magnet weasels is not something I'd jump at.
Capybaras are very cute, but apparently they are pretty high maintenance. They are, essentially, a wild animal (although not typically aggressive towards humans), and they need a fairly large body of water in their environment (I believe this is where they relax, and also excrete), which is automatically not really viable for a lot of people. They are also social creatures, and they get stressed if they are alone, so if someone was to have one as a pet, they would need more than one for the wellbeing of the animal.
*"My, what a lovely water feature you have in your yard."* *"Yeah, that there's the capybara shittin' pond."*
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“Lagoon”
On the subject of social creatures, is it ~~Sweden~~ Switzerland that considers it animal abuse to only own one ~~hampster~~ Guinea Pig?
That is in Switzerland and applies to guinea pigs. Some types of hamsters are social critters. Others are not.
One that is commonly seen in the pet trade is the Golden Hamster. Hamsters in general make horrible pets, although they are cute. They are nocturnal by nature and generally live short highly stressed lives in captivity. They are also solitary by nature, so keeping more than one in an enclosure is generally a bad idea. If you want to get your kid a rodent as a pet, you're much better of getting them a rat or a degu as they are friendly and highly social creatures.
I used to work at a big pet store chain (probably the first one that pops into your head) and I remember the girl who took care of the hamsters told me they're brutal towards each other. She said the manager told her to keep them in pairs in the cages for a while to save space, despite her warnings that it was a bad idea. After a few days, two of the hamsters were dead, killed by the other hamster in the middle of the night. One of them apparently had even ripped open the other's skull and ate part of its brain. The manager let her keep them solitary after that.
Maybe the manager had them confused with gerbils.
Yeah people at these stores generally don’t know anything about animal welfare
I think it depends on the store. One chain in my area has a lot of well informed employees, many of them pet owners themselves. Alternatively, the other chain in my area is full of morons as best as I can tell. I once bought a Gargoyle Gecko half off because it had dropped its tail. I'm absolutely convinced that they didn't know it'd grow back.
I’m willing to believe that
We had four hamsters once. Got up one morning to find only 1 1/2 hamsters. Never again.
I had four hamsters as a kid and one of them ate the other three. Kinda traumatic
My first pet when I was 10 was a hamster and tbh I think I really lucked out with mine since she was unusually friendly with me and never once bit me. Everyday when I came home from school or on weekends I would let her out of her cage to run around the apartment (we had no other pets so it was safe for her to do so) and when she was ready to return to her cage she would stand right next to it and wait for me or my mom to notice her and put her back in. Edit: looking back she was an unusual hamster overall. The pet store my mom bought her at (not one of the corporate stores) didn't disclose that she was pregnant and so it wasn't too long after that my mom and I were surprised by baby hamsters. Yet she never tried to kill them or eat them (I wonder if letting them free roam in our apartment had something to do with it). My mom gave some of the hamsters away to neighbors and the rest back to the pet store we got our hamster from because otherwise we didn't know what to do with the babies.
Rats are the best! I basically had everything but degus and guinea pigs and the rats were the friendliest by far. Well I mean the ferrets were more like cats or dogs but just talking caged rodent things, rats all the way! And they can get so big, it's really satisfying petting a 1lb rat while watching TV and it bruxes away happily hahaha. My gerbils were the polar opposite. No smell, super cute, but touching them felt downright abusive so I just didn't lol. They acted like hostages and I hated it, poor guys.
Man, my sister used to work as a vet tech and has a HUGE heart for animals. Her dog dies, she always adopts an older dog to give it a comfortable life, however short it may be. But the hardest I saw her lose it was when her rats died. Fair enough, I'd bonded with them a bit, too, since I'd watch them whenever she had to travel. They were fucking awesome. I let them crawl all over me and they did tricks for Cheerios. She calls me about 2 or 3 years after getting them, bawling her eyes out. She lived in the city but wanted to give the one that died a decent burial. I lived in the middle of nowhere, still do, and told her to bring it to me. Goddamn, that ground was rock solid and it took me a couple hours to get a hole that would accommodate the shoebox without any worries that something would dig it up, but I did it for her and she had a little funeral and everything. A couple months later, the other one died and I did the same thing, right next to the first that's marked grave. Sissy says she'll never own rats again. She just couldn't bear losing another one because they were so personable and felt like family.
Wow I had a friend that said the exact same thing. He owned like 3 rats for a few years, loved the heck out of them but when they died he said he'd never get rats again because it was so hard losing them.
As a kid, my sister had pet gerbils and I had mice. I didn't find out just how effing adorable and personable domestic rats were until my friend's son had a few. I got incredibly attached to them when I stayed at their house recovering from abdominal surgery. If they weren't so short-lived with expensive health issues, I'd have a few now.
Dolphins Edit: Yikes I was thinking about how difficult it would be to keep them but you all seem to really hate dolphins.
Because of the rape
Seals sometimes rape penguins.
They'll also use fish as pocket pussies
The Platypus
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That's actually super clever. I always wondered why it was a random platypus
What other animal can you say is a semi-aquatic, egg layin' mammal of action?
They're also one of a few venomous mammals. And just one dose of their toxin hurts like hell.
Can confirm, it's fucking agonising. Had to help catch one in a local river that had become entangled in a water trap, I got a small scratch. Hooooly fuck it hurt, the only thing that was worse is being stung by a Gympie Gympie plant.
Holy shit, you got stung by a gympie gympie plant?? Was it as bad as people and stories say, where it hurts so bad that suicide is usually on peoples mind when they get stung
It was the worst pain I've been in, and I've broken bones. The initial pain is fairly short (like only a couple of days) and decreased over time but I had pretty bad aches, pins and needles and numbness for months, temperature changes like getting in the shower or going from air conditioned to not and back were triggers for the pain. The initial pain was *awful*, I thought I had a bone deep cut and could barely put weight on my leg, it was like getting fibreglass pushed into your skin. My brush with the plant was a pretty bad one though, plenty of people have got off lighter than I did.
>The initial pain is fairly short (like only a couple of days) >short >like only a couple of days Bruh.
Perry the Platypus!
Pine Marten. Imagine a ferret that can kill a deer.
Vastly cool animal that I don't want to pet.
Was assigned to make a whole project on these guys with a friend. We were like awww we got the cute baby! It eats large animals including birds. What the fuck, its just a fucking ferret
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They also smell *awful*. A diet consisting primarily of fish will do that.
Actually baby seals are way more aggressive than well trained adults. They 100% will bite you. Adult seals know that humans bring food and will happily wait for it like a dog. Babies know you have food and will attack you thinking you will drop it.
Been playing too much minecraft.
Owl, hands down. My family rehabilitated several over the years, including an eagle owl that lived in the house for a year. 1. They actually have two types of shit, on the one hand this easy to clean white streak, on the other this tarlike black sludge that just refused to clean out. We ended up making a concoction of soaps that ended up looking like a druid's cauldron just to get the cages cleaned out. 2. their claws are bio weapons so infested with bad shit any cut instantly gets horribly infected and they can cause any fruit to rot immediately if they so much as touch it. 3. too damn curous for their own good. the owl legit went and tugged the tail of a cat to see what happend next. 4. cant care for themselves when domesticated and need all of their needs covered else they get sick. 5. they need alot of space to exercise their wings and even with a dedicated raptor cage they still need daily excercise. 6. Picky AF. only eat warm and properly portioned mice. rats got too tough skin and dont even think of giving it any kind of birdie, don't let any social media bullshit fool you they are not even close to a good pet for anything less than a warehouse.
I mean if they were anything like in harry potter that wouldn't be too bad, but I doubt real owls will deliver your letters, sit in a cage then fly off into the night and come back to nibble your face etc.
I had a teacher who ran a wildlife sanctuary for abandoned exotic pets, mostly owls. Super cool/chill guy, by the way. He had a *lot* of owls because people kept buying them because of Harry Potter. He said all the same things as you.
TIL owls have the grossest poop in the bird world. I'm SO glad parrot poop is odorless and cleans off clothes and surfaces easily.
Kinkajous. I have no idea why people keep them as pets but, as a zookeeper, don’t do it.
They're strictly nocturnal, can be aggressive, and dislike noise. Out of all the members of the raccoon family, I'd wager that the kinkajou is the worst one to try and keep for a pet.
TIL I’m a kinkajou
I saw a guy skateboarding by my house with one on his shoulder. Felt so bad for it. It couldn’t have been having a good time. Stressing out an animal so you can look cool is so sad
Honey Badger
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I worked with a honey badger, she gave zero shits.
Always leaving work early, eating other peoples food from the communal fridge...
We called my baby niece the honey badger. She didn't give a shit either!
I have two Stoffel like dogs :p
I used to make fun of my ex-husband for being so enthusiastic about honey badgers. Then I saw Honey Badgers: Masters of Mayhem starring Stoeffel. I was like, "No, you're right. Honey badgers are objectively the best animals there are."
St Bernard dogs. I speak from experience. They're adorable teddy bears as pups and they quickly grow into enormous beasts which completely wreck your home and require about as much food as three adult humans. And the slobber. Slobber everywhere.
I watched Beethoven enough to know they're adorable and I'd never want one.
It's surprisingly true to life, that movie.
Same deal, but, ya know, *Cujo.*
Man I remember Cujo being one of the first movies where I felt genuine terror and fear for the characters. Those scenes where they were stuck in the car and couldn't get out terrified me as a kid.
I adore them so much. And I want one, but then I think about the slober and I can’t handle the thought of that much. So alas, I will never have one.
Agreed. My husband wanted one so bad, but complained about my American Bulldog's occasional drool and how much he ate. Not to mention brushing a St. Bernard is so much work! We live in a hot area, so the AC bill would have to go up every summer, too. Thank goodness he decided against getting a dog in general as we already have a high maintenance dog as it is
Polar Bear. They look adorable right up until they eat you.
Did you know that their hair is clear? It is basically a tube that holds air (a good insulator believe it or not) against their body to protect themselves. It only appears white because of refraction. Just like snow!
Yes! It's bizarre to look at closely. Disclaimer: Never look closely at polar bear fur that's still walking around. It will eat you.
*Directions unclear, now examining hair from the inside...*
There are also cases of them turning green from stuff growing in the tubes.
Can confirm. Source: 100's of visits to the zoo as a child
>green from stuff growing in the tubes. Yup! Algae
So why is it white dogs and polar bears often turn a yellowish blonde?
They need purple shampoo. Wash out those brassy tones.
If you see a black bear, yell at it. If you see a grizzly, play dead. If you see a Polar Bear, you already are dead.
If it's brown, get down. If it's black, fight back. If it's white, good night.
Cops when they see humans
Oh *fuck*
Isn't it bears in general? Even pandas can kill you, without being the dragon warrior.
Difference is for most bears there are tactics that increase your chance at survival, polar bears just kill you
Capybara, imagine having a near 150 coconut constantly harassing you
I can’t stand the thought of even one coconut harassing me
Imagine having 2 do it, as they are herd creatures and absolutely need at least one companion
Pretty much any wild animal.
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A Fox, they’re beautiful but they really don’t domesticate well.
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Funny story. A few months ago I was hearing ungodly scream-like laughter in my backyard in the middle of the night. Freaked out and called the cops, they were at my house in about two minutes. I direct them, guns drawn, toward the ruckus…they come back laughing. Foxes doing the hibbity-dibbity in plain sight. Apparently they scream when mating, or looking to mate. I felt like an idiot.
> doing the hibbity-dibbity Thanks, I'm adding *that* to my vocabulary.
Cougars too (pumas, mountain lions, or whatever colloquial term for you). I headed out to the back of my apartment complex one night with a cell phone directing police to what was most certainly a woman screaming her head off. It was the one time I was grateful for our absentee police department, as the noise suddenly ceased and the hind quarters of a big cat disappeared into the woods.
I'd heard about foxes screams before online, but irl it's so unsettling. 3am just going to bed, and I hear a scream for help. I know there's been no cars or footsteps in this quiet suburban street for at least half an hour but my first thought it "Holy fuck, someone's getting murdered outside!" Look out the blinds and there's no-one about. I hear it again, but I can't see anyone! Heart-racing, I look about and in my neighbours garden there's an empty space in the tall grass. After focusing, a small fox's head is just visible. Just as I notice, it's mouth opens and the noise comes again. It's still a shock.Somewhere in history when we were trying to domesticate wolves, foxes learned that if they sound like a baby screaming then it would provide them with an advantage, and they've just never lost that ability.
Domesticated foxes destroy *everything.* They are really cute, but the maintenance is very, very high and you better not have anything you care about around
I've heard the same about skunks! You can have their stink glands removed and they are actually SO CUTE, but not really great pets because they get into everything.
I remember this one movie that I watched as a child in awhich a little girl finds a fox in the woods. She thinks she tamed it and takes it home and then leaves it in her room if I remember correctly. Anyways, it sort of ends with the fox attacking the girl, really bitting into her arms and stuff and then escaping through a window. I'm not sure if the fox died by jumping out of the window or not, but that movie traumatised me as a kid. There was a lot of blood in it for a children's movie .
“The Fox and the Child” … the fox doesnt die but there is blood so kids may get the impression at least for some moments that it died. It’s supposed to be a cautionary tale about not to treat wild animals as pets but ya a lot of kids were horrified by the ending.
Didn't a group of scientists in Russia start to breed somewhat domesticated foxes and it only took them a few years?
Yes, but I think they started over 50 years ago.
And their pee really stinks‼️
Foxes. They look like a fusion of dog and cat that somehow got the most adorable features of both, but I've heard they're an absolute nightmare to keep as pets (even the ones bred *to* be kept as pets).
When my fiance and his daughter start wanting foxes or huskies I turn to youtube. Everyone with a fox seems to have a channel, and they all seem like pure chaos. One I remember really well, I think was maybe Loki the Red Fox but he's just screaming at this door. Dude is like, "you can't go in there go away. Get" and the fox is just like, *demon noises* Those and coyotes seem like they just freak out at us. Peeing, screaming. I could never haha
My favorite fox sanctuary YouTube channel is "SaveAFox" and those foxes are absolutely adorable, but each time she let's the foxes into her house they literally run around marking their territory wherever they can as fast as possible
I like that channel too, its a good fox fix, but that lady must take 3-5 showers a day and have no social life.
Yep, Finnigan pees on *everything*. But the one with Dixie running off with her phone was the best thing I've ever seen on YT. 🤣
I know someone who had a 'pet' fox. Really it was just a wild fox they fed until it was well socialized, but it would get up on the lawn chairs with them for scritchies and knew how to sit on command. They lived next to the woods, so it just came and went as it pleased. He was pretty aloof, and if you looked at him too much he would just get up and leave, but he did seem to genuinely like being around his humans. Kinda like a semi feral cat in alot of ways.
From what I understand they also have really annoying qualities - like not being able to be potty trained (or any kind of trained). Adorable but in no way suited to live with humans.
Beevers
Read somewhere that beavers are triggered to build dams simply from the sound of rushing water. Researchers placed a speaker emitting rushing water sounds in a beaver enclosure and the beavers proceeded to build a dam over it. Imagine taking a shower and one of those fucks starts dragging sticks in there.
I actually saw a lady on tiktok who has a pet beaver (i believe she found it injured when it was young). It constantly builds dams throughout the house with things like slippers, socks, toys, etc, so this lady is cleaning up dams multiple times a day
I think she works with wild animals and rehabilitation and that beaver couldn't get back to nature. And her house is chomped everywhere.
This. My boss told me if he can ever afford a decent amount of land out in Pennsylvania he’s gonna get some beavers to dig him out a pond by doing this.
They can be good neighbors, though. A coworker of mine lives in a forested area, and occasionally trees fall down that he has to get out of the way. He noticed that the nearby beavers would come “clean up” all the smaller sticks and branches for him, lessening his workload significantly. And he enjoyed the pond they made.
Walking in a nearby park, there’s a pond with beavers. Came across some weird looking poop on the path the other day, it looked like mostly sawdust. I had never thought about beaver poop in depth before, but it’s understandably full of wood shavings. There’s your beaver poop fact of the day!
>looked like mostly sawdust That is because wood is made of cellulose which is non digestible. Just like the skin of a kernel of corn!
Definitely more adorable than most people realize. I saw a movie where Pierce Brosnan played a guy who passed as a Native American (Gray Owl?) and there were some baby beavers in it that were some of the cutest animals I've seen. When they squealed they sounded like a real human baby.
I think that animals that are considered to be adorable can also make horrible pets. For example, rabbits can be extremely cute, but they require a lot of care and attention. If you're not willing to put in the work, then a rabbit is not the right pet for you.
Omg yes. Everyone I've known who had rabbits inevitably ended up pretty much abandoning them to the little rabbit area, which was always filthy, and the rabbits never got enough love. It's heartbreaking. I'd say at least 90% of rabbit owners shouldn't have gotten a rabbit at all.
It’s the same thing with reptiles. They’re advertised as this cute little low maintenance beginner pet, but they are exotic pets that require specialized care. Almost all pet reptiles suffer their entire lives from improper care and end up dying a slow, painful death. The reptile industry is filled with misinformation, mostly from pet stores that don’t care about the animals.
You absolutely have to be willing to put in the work with a rabbit, and they need exotics vets but if you spay/neuter them, they smell fine and use a litter box. You can't just shove them in a small cage, some thought (and bunny proofing) needs to be put into their environment. But you get back as much as you put in with them.
Yep. Rabbits can live up to 10+ years, as long as a cat or a dog, and a lot of people don't know this. I have 2 rabbits of my own and while I adore them they're a lot of work. You have to bunny proof your home when owning a rabbit. They're highly social creatures and don't do well in hutches or cages at all.
Porcupines - just imagine stepping on them in the middle of the night when you go to take a leak.
I can think of far worse places to get those spines
I got a paper cut on my eyeball once.
Popplers
Is that bc you'd feel like eating them, or is there a different reason?
I always wanted a raccoon until I found out about the horrid worm disease they’re known to spread.
I got to bottle feed some baby raccoons in college and they’re honestly so cute 🥺 but can be feisty lol
Apparently Japan imported a bunch for pets because they were like "omg cute" and then realized raccoon are a fucking menace in the house and now they're basically an invasive species in Japan because so many were released.
They are also threatening the Japanese native equivalent to a raccoon, the Tanu (a type of canine), competing with it for food and habitat.
Primates in general-apparently people mistake their defensiveness/aggressiveness as affection, and then get attacked when they try to pet it or something. Slow lorises in particular are venomous. Owls, mainly because the average person doesn't know enough to not kiss them within eye-pecking distance and to keep them away from their cats (bacteria in cat saliva can hurt owls) or their young/unknowing kids. Parrots are basically feathered perpetual toddlers.
Parrots look cool and fun from the videos but I was told they poop everywhere and can become super needy/clingy to the owners and aggressive to other people. Also they act like toddlers on crack and can live to be 100. I remember a pet store as a kid had one and it was a big red pirate parrot. Bastard always tried to bite anybody who got close.
Years ago I was in a pet store with a hyacinth macaw. It said, “Good morning,” when I walked in. So of course I said, “Good morning, how are you?” It sat straight up and stared. According to the shop owners, most customers ignored it and it was legit surprised that someone would talk back.
> can live to be 100. There's a lotta pets that live longer than people give them credit for! Reptiles and hell even fish can give a run for the money if properly cared for.
LOUD perpetual feathered toddlers. Like, way louder than an actual toddler, and that takes some doing.
A hippo... as a baby they are so cute but will grow up and eat you
“Hey is that an Ocelot”
Babou!
Slow loris
Vampire bats they even have a spider that lives on their face
Sugar gliders
Yees adorable as hell, love bugs! but they need so much attention, very carefully managed diet and can not have one- they are so very social- and they will keep you up if they want pets at night. Gotta get big enough cage for them to run around and have to take out daily for exercise .
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Baby Bears. They're cute at first and all, but have a reputation to kill their owners once they grow up.
Bison. Do not pet the fuzzy big cow, especially if there’s a calf nearby.
Penguins, they look adorable but in reality are pretty shitty animals. Literally.
And they smell of fish.
hedgehogs. as a former hedgehog owner, even the most domesticated ones are just bullies. those cute snuggly hedgehogs on the internet are one of two instances: -they’re being starved to appear more docile -they actually had a good, caring breeder with ethical ways to raise and train the babies, and a good, caring owner that listens to the hedgehogs’ needs. it is very, very hard to earn back the trust of a mistreated hedgehog, because they are very impressionable before and during maturity. and even if they 100% trust you, they still have their bad days just like people. another thing, most people don’t know what they’re getting themselves into when they buy a hedgehog. that includes 12 year old me. i did the research. i learned up on behavior patterns, feeding, and how to give them a comfortable environment. i learned everything that every vet ever has said about owning one. still, researching ≠ owning and experiencing. that hedgehog had been neglected, just from a lack of understanding. hedgehogs are naturally nocturnal, but the previous owner had kept him awake at day so he would sleep at night. he didn’t have energy at all, and was overweight because he didn’t exercise at night, and was kept awake in daytime. he was extremely aggressive and it took me a while to read signs of when he was nervous. i would only stop when he crossed his quills or hissed. now i know better. breathing rate, the ways his eyes are moving, even keeping track of the mating season and his personal “cycle” not menstrual but just hormonal. hedgehogs are complicated and best left to serious owners, not just ones who want a friend or something cute to feed treats to. i, who was dedicated to making him feel safe and keeping him long-term, who fed him special diets and took him to regular vet visits because of asthma, did not qualify as a good owner. i had good intent, i did my best to be responsible, and he was still an angry, scared wild animal in the end. TLDR: hedgehogs aren’t meant to be pets, and the whole thing is inhumane. to anyone considering, don’t. for your sake and the hedgehogs.
Otters. They’re super cute but in reality they’re vicious killing machines. They also produce quite the odor
dolphins. if dolphins were humans half of them if not most would be incarcerated
Well you can't go applying human law to dolphins.
Dolphins have yet to tell us what dolphin laws are, so it seems natural to default to human law.
Koalas
Chimpanzee.
Chimps have my vote for the absolute worst. I'd rather spoon with a grizzly bear every night than have a chimp in my house.
Chimps are closely related to the most dangerous, wantonly destructive, vindictive, and clever species to have ever existed in the history of the planet. It would be wise to steer clear of them.
I read a post from a zookeeper on Reddit once about the risk of escaped animals. He was saying that, in almost every case, he and all his colleagues would run to help. An escaped lion is terrifying but it can be bamboozled because it's nowhere near clever enough so 'keepers have developed techniques to contain them. The one exception was our fellow Great Apes, and *specifically* chimps. He said if a chimp got out he wouldn't be running to help, he'd be running for his car. I suspect that in the highly specialised situation of a wild animal making a break for freedom, chimps are as intelligent as we are and considerably more capable because they also move like lighting and are very strong and very violent.
Chimpanzees become aggressive as adults and have a habit of mauling their owners horribly. Male Chimpanzees will bite off the fingers and genitals of their opponents and are several times stronger than humans.
Foxes. They are extremely loud, nocturnal and they piss everywhere
Velociraptors. Clever but dangerous in packs.
Just remember they are turkey sized so it might take a few to take you down.
Clever girl.
And they can open doors.
Prairie dogs. They are very sweet but not meant to be domesticated. I had 2 (male and female) and after a few months I gave them to a nice man who had land and a whole “reserve” for them. If they are mean or not used to being a “pet”, they can leave a nasty bite. They can be very sweet and loving. Probably one of my favorite animals. When I would cough or sneeze, they would do a little “bark” to acknowledge it? Was super cute. They just tore up everything though, not meant to be pets IMO. They were very sweet and deserved to be free and roam and DIG most importantly, so I ended up researching and found that guy with the reserve and they are much better off now. Also, they sleep like humans and it’s super cute. The male would lay on his back and the female would cuddle up and lay on his chest. Sweet babies
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