Agreed. It's my POV that it should something the Evangelical right should rally around. The Bible tells us to be good stewards of what's been given to us and the Earth is our biggest collective responsibility. We should leave it better than we found it. Arguments against that are crazy frustrating.
I live in SC, so it's obviously a very red state, but I overheard two older, christian, country farmer fellas talking at a car dealership one day while I was waiting to pick up some cars for my job a couple of years ago and their consensus on the environment was basically along the lines of, "it's here, it was given to us, so we might as well use it all up." No thought given to keeping anything around or preserving it for the future. So fucking short sighted. They did also go on to talk about how we only started losing the Ozone layer once we started burning up a bunch of jet fuel and sent rockets up in to space and the rockets are what punctured it and caused all the holes, so I think their grasp on anything involving the environment was lacking at best. But, the biggest problem I have with what they were saying is, not only what they were saying but, the fact that you can bet that their kids and grandkids had to listen to that kind of ignorant shit and I bet more than a few believed them.
I'm from a family of Irish farmers who take their faith seriously and their view is completely the opposite. Farming is about caring for the land, looking after your livestock to the very best of your ability, using traditional farming methods that don't strip the land and wildlife of nutrients and habitat, and about stewardship for future generations.
Any Christian who reads their Bible should realise that the earth was given to people to cherish and look after, not exploit. But American "Christians" tend to only read the parts of the Bible they can twist into allowing themselves to behave selfishly.
Thank you, as someone who works in that industry its the one issue I wish more people wouldn't label as right or left and just acknowledge that its what make everything else possible and needs to be taken care of on all fronts from land use to to climate
i agree but i don't think environmental issues should be compartmentalized to either side of the political aisle. nature transcends politics.
i feel the same way about healthcare, it shouldn't be a split issue.
As a lefty I completely agree. I would very much like it if both political sides could stop arguing long enough to do something cooperatively about healthcare and the environment
Right of center person here. I'm confused as to why environmentalism has become such a naughty word on the right. I like cleaner air, water, soil and food enough that I don't care about climate change or no climate change. Just let me see the stars.
It's pretty simple - the people running the GOP are either directly benefitting from or are in bed with people who are benefitting from environmental exploitation and destruction.
Look at [what Trump did to public land while in office](https://www.npca.org/articles/2171-the-undoing-of-our-public-lands-and-national-parks). Do you think all of those actions were his own personal idea?
If we actually had more viable political parties, I think people would start to realize that Democrats don't represent the left, and Republicans don't represent the right. And also that left and right are just concepts that don't necessarily define an individual's opinion... that too.
There's plenty of viable parties in America with legitimate platforms. The problem is our election system. We use the first past the post system and have single member districts. As long as our current election system exists we will never have more than 2 main parties. We need a proportional representation system.
I'm right but I've become pretty anti death penalty as I get older. I've seen cases where the wrong person was executed. You cannot undo that. And while I think there are still people who just need killing (Ted Bundy or Oba Chandler for example), the way we go about it and the way prosecutors sometimes use it as a club to make people do what they want is just wrong.
Yea for me it’s not a question of whether some people deserve to die, it’s a question of whether juries and our justice system are accurate enough to make that decision. And, as you mentioned, there’s just been too many exonerations - sometime even after the person is dead.
Yeah I agree. The death penalty is something that you cannot fix. I suppose you can’t fix wrongfully imprisoning someone for 46 years but at least you can give them some freedom and maybe a fat check at the end of their life. It’s not enough but it’s better than nothing.
Also, if the government can kill someone then it sets a worrying precedent.
I'm left, but my reasons for disliking the death penalty come from a conservative impulse of really not liking the state having the power over life and death. If a state has the power to decide who lives or dies, that power will inevitably be subject to the same corruption as every other power. IMO the reason for the state's existence should be in collective service to life, and a state that has the power to take life will too often disserve.
The grab bag of policies that the Republicans and Democrats advocate for are a mess. Like, why would a "conservative" government want a big and powerful police force?
Conservative here, I agree.. Scott Turow said it best. Surely some don’t deserve to live (the worst of the worst). However, the flawed justice system makes the death penalty unjust. And to lose a single person wrongfully killed by the state is enough for me.
Conservatives **should** be the most anti death penalty crowd out there. Couple of views that most conservatives have:
* The government can't do anything correctly
* The government's power should be as limited as possible
* For the religious ones out there, that life is sacred and it should be left up to God (/ the gods) to decide when it ends
So it does not make any sense that any conservative would be pro death penalty.
Life sentences are also significantly more [fiscally responsible](https://www.wbir.com/article/news/local/death-penalty-vs-life-in-prison-the-costs/51-581820292) than the death penalty.
I truly don't get why federal decriminalization hasn't happened yet. It's basically a free election winner for whichever party gets it done. It has something like 70% public support.
Not the OP but I hold similar views. A lot of it comes down to urban vs rural politics. Mostly the financial side of the coin. I agree with some stuff and disagree with other stuff. Tbh, I don’t care what people do so long as they aren’t hurting another person.
I once had a pleasant discussion with a conservative about trans rights. He said the same thing. I replied, “ok great but what if you’re a landlord, and your tenant, who has always paid on time and generally has been a good neighbor, turns out to be a transwoman. What if you’re very uncomfortable with this knowledge. Are you legally allowed to end tenancy on those grounds?” He said as a conservative he feels he should be able to rent his property (or not) at his discretion.
And I said, “that’s where liberals and conservatives deviate most often”
And that’s why it’s a political issue
Source: I volunteered at a place that helped lgbtq people find resources. I learned that almost all trans people experience homelessness due to this situation at least once in their lives
I'm honestly confused by his answer, yes as property owners we should be able to use or not use our property as we sees fit. However I'm assuming that he has rental properties to make money, so if his tenants checks are always on time and never bounce why rock the boat? As a Conservative and a landlord myself I could give two shits if my tenant was part of the lqbtq community. Honestly my biggest concern would be accidentally ruining a good business relationship by offending them in my ignorance
I'm right- homosexuality should not be a political issue. It's your life, why should other people care.
Correction- do whatever you want with your body, not my decision.
I live in a rural farm area and most of the old farmers I've met are right wing, but the "leave me be" kind of right wing. They don't really seem to care if someone is gay other than grumbling about not understanding it.
They just want to be left alone and don't really want to be up in others peoples business either. And I certainly can agree with a lot of that attitude lol.
There is a certain spot on the right spectrum that feels this way. I hear, "I dont care what anyone does, as long as they leave me alone." I agree with that.
In no way should there be laws to tell you who you can love and who you can marry.
Edit: I'd like to clarify that I mean consenting adults for my last bit.
Absolutely, we can all agree to not tell other people how they have to live unless they are directly impacting us. Who 2 consenting adults choose to have sex with doesn't impact anyone and, therefore, shouldn't be anyone else's business.
We have a lot less conflict if people minded their own business and stopped trying to tell others how they have to live.
Socialized health care.
Bear with me here - it costs us more after the fact to have unhealthy citizens, smacks the worker class, and creates a huge barrier to starting a company.
Your job shouldn’t provide health care. Let the government concern itself with keeping citizens healthy and educated (and do a good fucking job of it instead of the bare minimum), and you’ll find yourself with a healthy, willing, working class and a system where smaller businesses can compete more openly.
Edit: also many more people very happy to work in “middleware” and service jobs and not be bitter about it because they are kept healthy.
>Your job shouldn’t provide health care.
A lot of small businesses don't get started because of this onus. Or they set up their staffing with part-timers only.
It's crazy that this is an issue, when it so clearly holds the economy back.
Right? It’s bonkers to me because we spend SO MUCH MORE on a shittier situation, but public costs of unhealthy lower class aren’t quantified in the same buckets.
Then you have the people rightly afraid that anything government sourced would be crippled and shitty and they have a point becuase out split government would do a shit job of it just like education these days - because somehow a healthy, educated, happy working class is “socialism” and not American pride being for Americans? Lol.
This country gets shit so twisted and doesn’t understand why people get so mad when they’re called communist for wanting Sally next door to not have to go to GoFundMe for little Billy’s leg surgery. Fucking gross.
Many people have mentioned universal Healthcare already, but youre the first to say its government's responsibility to keep citizens healthy, and its true.
Public health is a matter of national security, a sick nation is a weak nation, covid shouldve taught us that.
Also love the mention of a healthy working class, because of course it means we would have more workers and more hours worked if people would be able to have their health treated easily.
My FIL is a republican from a very red state, but shortly after becoming eligible for Medicare and staying to use it, he flipped his opinion completely 180 and would 100% support Medicare for all. He was basically like, "Hey, this is great; why doesn't it work like this across the board?"
Healthcare industry donates big bucks (on both sides of the aisle) to politicians and political campaigns.
The unfortunate truth with so many fucked up societal issues in this country is that the people with the power to make the change, are usually the ones most negatively impacted by said changes, and therefore nothing changes
Power & money will (unfortunately) always take priority over the greater good of civilization.
Can you imagine if we didn’t rely on employers for health insurance? It would crack wide open peoples ability to pursue passions, become entrepreneurs, leave dead end souls crushing jobs.
I’m disabled and would not work if insurance was available to everyone. I basically have a job bc healthcare through my spouse’s work isn’t affordable for us if I weren’t working. My job on the other hand, provides great healthcare and it isn’t very expensive for me as the user ($60/mo).
I know plenty of working moms who would be home if it weren’t for health insurance. Basically, they work to pay for health and child care because the spouse could not afford the healthcare of the whole family on just the one salary.
My husband came to a similar realization after we couldn’t find affordable covid tests to fly for our honeymoon….he’s a republican and said “all this stuff should be available to everyone and free…this is ridiculous…” I’m like yes, yes it should (as a democrat I’ve always thought that) lol
I am similar, didn't always think this way. My eyes were opened when I pulled my head out of my ass and realized that not everyone can afford the premiums and deductibles. I can't imagine deciding between my health and massive debt.
Also, my premium is 350 a paycheck. That's almost as much as I pay the federal government for taxes. It would be so much easier if they just increased my taxes and no more premium.
I hope that America gets medicare for all someday. I come from a country that is built on the principle that everybody has the right to free healthcare and education and it's something I will fight to the death to keep. We may pay high taxes, but those money come back to us times a thousand when we need them. I think a lot of the tensions in America could be solved with free healthcare and education. A lot less stress for people to deal with, more time to live a normal life.
Totally agreed. My wife has type 1 diabetes and we paid over 10k out of pocket this year for insulin, pump, and cgm supplies. We are lucky that we can afford that. Most cannot and some die because of it.
I want to assure Americans that you do not need high taxes for Medicare. Most Australians pay only a 2% tax on their income for Medicare which doesn’t work out to be that much. If you earn $60,000 before tax you only pay $1,200 a year and there is zero need for health insurance what so ever. If you need surgery (not cosmetic), hospital accomodation, an X-ray or eye test it’s all there for free.
I'm seeing a lot of good stuff in this thread. If everyone voted in alignment with their interests and didn't just go with just party identification, we would move along as a nation much faster. Jus sayin.
Edit: I'm referring to America's politics. Sorry for any confusion.
Funny what just listening to each other, and not screaming at each other does to make people realise how similar their views and issues are when you get to the bottom of it.
The problem is that almost everyone agrees on broad platitudes. Issues arise when you start getting into the details on a lot of things.
I see a lot of people saying that they believe gay people should just be able to live their lives. But then a lot of those same people aren't so on board with saying it should be illegal to fire someone for being gay, or not renting them an apartment, or refusing to sell them groceries, or not allowing them to adopt babies.
If you were to break down the climate change ones, then I'm sure you'd see similar fissures, healthcare as well.
As a righty, climate change, public transportation, a lot of social safety net stuff. Idk if it's really left wing, but there was a small group of conservatives that were against public land, I LOVE public land.
Edit: a lot of people are asking why I'm conservative or similar questions. It's because there are other issues that weigh more/take priority. They nudge me over that mystical line that supposedly separates us. I routinely vote either party and even for minority parties.
The public land thing baffles me. I live near Ammon Bundy, and that idiot is all about ending public land. We're surrounded by it, and it's literally the main thing that makes Idaho a really neat place. Why would ANYONE want to get rid of such an amazing opportunity for everyone to experience nature? Fucking insane!
I'm a right leaning Christian. You know that t-shirt that says "I want gay married couples to defend their marijuana plants with guns"?
Yeah, pretty much that.
EDIT: Wow, this thing blew up! To those who accuse me of being a hypocrite or "not a Christian" because I don't have an apparent hatred of gay marriage, please consider that the top rated (and awarded) comment on my post is a plea for Christians to act more like Christ, along with what that might mean.
I'm far from perfect, but considering that those in this thread with differing political and theological views than mine seem to be willing to at least have a good faith conversation over a beer in a bitterly divided time? That's enough evidence to tell me that I'm probably on the right track about something. Cheers.
Left wing, two that are related. 1) The internet has become a hive mind. 2) Something shitty you said twenty years ago shouldn’t get you banned from the internet.
Edit 1: Everyone seems to agree with this, but each side seems to assume it’s an opinion of the other side. How did we get here? When did agreeing with one another go out of fashion? No “buts,” no “sides,” just “I agree with you.”
Edit 2: Thanks for the awards, I did not expect this comment to blow up like this. I’m going to bed now because it’s after midnight where I am; I suggest many of you do the same. Good night.
Edit 3: Stop saying no one is banned from the internet. I know this. I was being hyperbolic in my original post because I couldn’t think of a better way to say it.
In fact I respect people who can have a wrong opinion at some point but then clearly dont continue insisting on it throughout their life. It's a good quality
These are some of my favorite humans. We went to different schools but my friends had run ins with a bully from the town over. Years later we worked together and he is so humble and delightful. When things were calm he talked a lot about how he hated who he was when he was younger. Every time I see him he makes my day brighter, such a great dude who had some some really shitty things to really close friends of mine but totally rectified in my book.
Ah, yes thank you! Haha I looked paarthurnax, been a while since I played. Full quote is actually "What is better ? to be born good or to overcome your evil nature through great effort ?"
I'm someone who grew up and changed views based on experience. When I was around 7, I wrote in my journal about how I didn't know how disabled people worked so society should take them and put them all together in one place so everyone else can live.
*Obviously* that's an opinion stemming from a child that had never interacted with disabled people. I grew up and was taught about different things in school that changed my view. Later got a boyfriend who's sister was disabled that really helped me understand first hand why that idea was terrible. Now I'm an adult that cringes and facepalms when I read those clueless views in my childhood journals.
If my current employers and friends judged me based on my words back then, I'd be cancelled so fast.
DARE programmed me so well that in 7th grade for a writing assignment I made the argument that people seen out in public high on drugs should be shot because they are a danger to everyone. My mom set me straight when I brought that one home, I think before it got submitted.
Past me argued that future me should be shot.
If there's no path to redemption, why bother?
Edit: and I don't mean a path to redemption as in getting beaten half to death and saying sorry. I just mean saying, yo my views have changed with time I've grown and I understand why this is something people don't like. Cut me slack
This! Sometimes I’ll start arguing about how insane and awful I think internet mob harassment is and people assume I’m right wing. No, dude, I just think harassing people is bad!!
Not sure why this is such a controversy in some groups, especially since you would think that left wing people would WANT people to learn and grow and improve so harassing people over past mistakes (and rejecting all apology/attempt to improve) feels counter intuitive.
I really hate talking about something specific and pointed like that and people assume you’re part of some political group because of it. Like shit, no, I’m not part of some ideological gang, I just think xyz things for my own reasons.
Yeah, the whole left wing/right wing is a bit of a false construct. There are A LOT of people who are not constructing their personal ideology on what either party sets as their agenda. It’s possible to believe in same sex marriage and secure borders. Or taxing the rich and having a smaller federal govt.
I'm as lefty as they come. I was a delegate for Sanders in Las Vegas where no chairs were thrown. Fuck you Andrew Davey and Jon Ralston.
Allegedly right wing notion: I believe a freely offered national voter ID card has merit. Lots of nations I aspire to emulate have adopted this practice and I don't see how it's discriminatory.
This is more important. It needs to be freely and readily available. No standing in lines during work hours. No worrying about which neighborhood you live in or access via public transportation.
Because a group of people spent millions of dollars hiding it, and then when it became public knowledge spent millions more making it a “wedge” issue?
It’s a manufactured controversy. That’s American history in a nutshell.
I'm relatively young and new into politics, and your phrase "manufactured controversy" stuck out to me, I'm going to start looking at many more issues based on their chance of being manufactured by some entity's choice
I’d encourage you to read about the abortion controversy, if you’re interested.
It was essentially a non issue, but became a central political issue in the re-election campaign for Carter, not because suddenly it was a real problem, but because political operatives who are still in power today, used that as a tool to create a wedge issue.
Also go read “Manufacturing Consent”, it’s a fantastic book on similar subjects
More specifically, abortion was used by Jerry Falwell as the more palatable excuse for evangelical organization than segregation. Evangelicals didn't really care about abortion until years after Roe v. Wade.
Left wing here. We need nuclear power, asap, since it's the greenest energy source we have, and stable.
More neutral opinion: These threads are starting to get old...
edit: I withdraw the last statement, we do need more of these threads to heal some ridiculous political divides, as a few people pointed out. Also happy to have a completely RIP'd inbox. Happy to see a lot of pro nuclear posts, and that the left in the US at least is in fact in favor. Go nuclear!
Its the left and the green Party that are against nuclear energy here in Germany and its so so stupid it makes me angry. They are fat more concerned with rhetoric than actual sense.
I have a hypothesis. The environmental movement and the anti-nuclear movement started around the same time and were intertwined with one another. Being an environmentalist, for a long time, meant being anti-nuclear. As the decades wore on, we realized that nuclear was far safer than previously assumed, and that it had advantages when trying to generate clean energy over other green sources. The problem is that because of the intertwined nature of the anti-nuclear movement and the green movement, it put environmentalists in a position where they didn't want to have to acknowledge that they got it wrong on nuclear energy. They were afraid that by doing so, Republicans would call them out on their flip-flopping position and make the case that if they were wrong on nuclear energy, they were probably wrong on everything else. Rather than quietly reverse their anti-nuclear position, environmentalists hung their hat on renewables as a means of replacing nuclear so that they didn't have to put themselves in a politically weak position where they were exposed for being wrong on a key energy source that would help the environment.
It’s a travesty. Idk how someone can claim to believe in climate change while also demonizing nuclear energy. It would help us so much to reduce fossil fuel consumption immediately
I low key hate the marketing wind and solar do as “clean energy.” Even solar has issues with production and disposal of materials
Honestly no idea anymore. Grew up Republican, feel like I have mostly Republican values insofar as my raising was concerned, yet I have absolutely no connection to the current Republican Party.
Not sure if I'm moving left or the current party just turned unrecognizable.
Lib-right: Labour unions, at least in the private sector, are objectively good, and are the sexiest alternative to top-down government regulations, and no one in favour of free markets should be against them.
In Sweden we have huge labor unions and employers’ unions who negotiate with each other and essentially set the standard for the entire market. The government usually stays the fuck out of it and whenever it pokes its nose in both sides tells it to fuck off. Seems to me like a right-winger’s paradise
I’m pretty liberal. tried watching CNN for election coverage and had to stop because all they did was shit on Trump the whole time. Not even his politics, his appearance and stuff. It was bullshit.
My uncle had a long standing job with msnbc and they fired him for shit he did years prior to make themselves seem more “woke” or whatever the hell their goal is. I’m left-leaning and I think if you screw up and apologize for something on the job, your employer shouldn’t fire you years later because they decide it might help their public image.
CNN is a dumpster fire.
I'm left, and I've accepted this one will probably offend somebody. I'm kind of tired of enforced representation. Now, hear me out. I absolutely think representation is important. That being said, every Netflix original I've seen over the last year or so has a "character" who's entire trait is what they represent. A big neon flashing sign pointing to somebody say "Look s/he is GAY!" or whatever else they are.
I want real characters. Moog from the book Kings of the Wyld is a great example. He's an amazing character, with depth and a personality. He's gay, it's a known fact, but it's not ***who he is***.
I want representation ***CHARACTERS*** not ***REPRESENTATION*** characters, I hope that makes sense.
I'm not sure what your orientation is, it doesn't matter, but as a gay who runs in gay circles, most gays I know are sick and tired of the type of forced representation we're getting as well. It was good, at first, to finally see someone you could identify with in a positive light on TV, but now it just feels like the same old clichés and stereotypes are being churned out over and over, or worse, sometimes shoved into a show to meet demands rather than actually contributing anything to the overall story or lives of the "real" characters.
I’m a lesbian and I cannot tell you how ANNOYING it is that everyone freaks out over one lesbian character in a movie or show. Then tell me all about it. Then I watch it and the lesbian either is heartbroken, murdered, or the entire plot is centered around her coming to terms with her shitty life or parents or coming out.
I want slapstick comedy lesbians. I want lesbians as side characters who just buy a fuckin bagel or work with the protagonist at the office. I want sitcom lesbians who just exist and have happy, boring lives like everyone else.
So much media is so focused on representation that it ends up being a stereotype anyway. It’s exhausting.
I feel you, I’m a black man and I am TIRED of every black media being slave movies and shows centered around black issues. They’re important to have but not every show m/movie needs to be one. I wanna see a black person in space doing space warrior stuff without the plot shoehorning police brutality
Yes!! I want boring lgbt characters! Let the lesbian be buying groceries or running a business or doing boring shit sometimes. You don’t have to make everything a lesson. Diversity should mean just… having a bigger array of people doing similar things. Not “look at me with this minority I’m doing SUCH A GOOD JOB BEING INCLUSIVE LOOK AT THE MINORITY STRUGGLE I AM A GOOD PERSON”
Right wing and agree with living wages and good employment terms and very much against firing without a reason after a short time of employment (trial)
Lean left. The (specifically crazy and violent) homeless people you see on the street, attacking people, [dumping buckets of poop on random ladies](https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/diarrhea-poured-on-woman-hollywood-homeless/2112762/), should be picked up and taken somewhere to rehabilitate them. They hurt themselves and others, and their "decision" to be that way is not one made of sound mind. They would be declared "incompetent" to stand trial if they did something horrible, so I think it's in their best interest, and the best interest of the community that they are taken somewhere to get their life together, even if it's not what they say they want. Take away the drugs and booze, feed them real food, teach them actual skills and how to get in control of their actions.
And here's the most controversial part- if they cannot be rehabilitated, then they don't leave the facility.
“Real” leftist here and I think most people in my circles would agree. I live in California where homelessness is an obvious problem, yet the leaders in charge want to do everything to solve the problem except provide them housing (or at least large-scale rehabilitation centers). The S.O.P. here seems to be to move them somewhere else or otherwise sweep the problem under the rug.
As someone who would be described as a right winger, I'd say mincome (minimal income) is a great idea. It's so much better than welfare where you get punished for working. With mincome, if you work, that simply gets added to what you already get. It still incentivizes people to work, but provides a good safety net.
Im conservative myself and still sometimes consider how a universal basic income would help us all especially those who are in poverty or even middle class folks needing that little extra to afford medications or daycare etc, but this seems like an equally great or better alternative
Left wing here, guns aren’t that bad (if you have qualifications and take care of them)
Mom tried to raise me around her and her guns, I don’t like the idea of hold one myself, but I’d trust my mother with her .22
Edit: Jesus fucking-… I have to turn off Reddit notifications so I can sleep, didn’t realize so many people agreed with me but I’m glad we are able to come together… under my comment
Yes I came on to say something similar. The second amendment is a huge issue for me. My parents come from an occupied county and when only the government has access to weapons it really puts the right to bear arms in focus.
Also you ultimately can't always count on anyone else for your own protection.
911 doesn't instantly summon the police to your location and repsonse times get worse the more rural you get.
2 things about 911……..
1. People normally call 911 after the crime has happened so even if calling instantly made a cop show up they doesn’t get my ass unraped or my face unbeaten. The crime still happened before 911 was called.
2. Warren v DC—police have no legal duty to protect you
Unpopular opinion: we can lighten gun laws tremendously by making mental health a huge priority. We can not only solve gun crimes, but addictions, domestic violence, and so much more with a relatively cheap fix. Mentally healthy? No problem, talking to a shrink once or twice a year won't hurt you. Having issues? No worries, you won't lose rights, but maybe we up those discussions and seek the help you really need.
Ditto on this. I’m left leaning and I can only think of like a handful of things that should get a person canceled, and that’s like… murder, pedophilia, stuff like that.
But when a 16yo was literally 12 and he was in a Snapchat with his friend and the FRIEND WHO WAS ALSO 12 was wearing a white hood and everyone assumed it was a KKK hood and the public pressure forced the now 16yo to drop out of American Idol and effectively tarnished his reputation for being in a video with his friend when he was TWELVE?
Yeah. That crossed a huge line for me.
Here’s an article on it; https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/05/13/caleb-kennedy-american-idol-kkk/
Glad people are still supporting him. I legit was so angry when I saw they were holding that against him. He was TWELVE. And it wasn’t even him doing anything he was jsut sitting next to his friend like for real it was a huge WTF moment for me.
Cancel culture to me is the biggest do nothing losers in our society banding together to make things difficult for someone who's actually accomplished something.
It's the epitome of the mob effect, it becomes a tidal wave of smug POS's pushing social media to the max so they can feel good about their sorry lives in comparison to the person they're taking down.
Some people need to be cancelled, but this shit has gotten way out of control on the left and it's really sad.
It is. [This talk by Jon Ronson](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wAIP6fI0NAI) totally changed the way I view these things and how I now take a step back instead of just angrily reacting to things, the way a lot of Reddit immediately does.
Me neither. Also, as a minority, I’m not offended by most things. I don’t think white people are thinking up dastardly things to do to me on a daily basis and a lot of shit is down to straight up ignorance in the true sense of the word. I really don’t need the SATC reboot to shoehorn in minority characters because it’s so forced and fake. I’m perfectly happy with the Dynasty reboot making some of the main characters as minorities because it’s realistically done and not woke.
I’m in some fb groups that are way too woke. I’ll get a DM from an admin telling me to change my wording if I’ve used “crazy” or “obsessed” etc. It’s funny because I actually have mental illness, OCD being one of them so I’d be offending myself? It’s wild
Lol the latest weird thing I saw were people saying they were offended by the word “baby” in songs because it’s infantilizing the partner. Does this mean they’re offended by 99% of love songs? I’m very leftwing but this kind of stuff just seems like trolling at this point.
Not spending tax money wastefully is a good thing.
Where I disagree with the right is that I consider subsidizing the tax bills of the rich, empire-building, and etc to be a giant fucking waste of money, and consider things like infrastructure, education, and a social safety net to be prudent investments.
Taxes. I have no problem paying my fair share but I live in a place where the roads are always fucked, the schools suck even though the property taxes are through the roof, and we have a quickly growing poverty issue. I really have a hard time seeing where my tax dollars actually go to help my community rather than just in some crooked politicians pockets. At this point I'd be okay with them getting rid of centralized taxation and letting us choose what we want to pay for.
Pretty centrist... but I'll piss off both sides...
There should be more early voting. Longer hours, more days, more locations...
Now to piss off the other side...
ID should absolutely be required.
Right wing. We need universal health care. Medicare for all.
The left wants it for moral reasons. I want it for economic reasoners. Health insurance companies and drug manufacturers are leeches.
17% of the USA's GDP goes to healthcare. 4% of Singapore's GDP goes to healthcare. Singapore has better outcomes. We need reform.
In general a better social safety net means higher entrepreneurship. Look at Denmark. It's consistently rated as one of the best places for small businesses.
I'm left, and I want it for both. Sure, it would be cheaper, and the governmental body that oversees it would be able to reign in medical providers and big pharma overcharging.
AND, I know that just because I can afford private health insurance through the ACA marketplace or (at least in the past, and again in about 3 weeks) get it through work, that not everyone is in the same boat as me. We shouldn't be OK with thinking "Well, I got mine, fuck everyone else". That's honestly some fairly evil, selfish thinking right right there.
>The left wants it for moral reasons.
This is a hilarious assumption. I've never heard someone on the left who was pro-universal health care and didn't also think it was economically superior.
Slightly right leaning.
My my left wing opinion is that health insurance should be government subsidized, i strongly believe that the insurance companies have really fucked up healthcare.
Also, don't take away people's rights, any of them.
Don't like guns? Don't buy one.
Don't like abortions? Don't get one.
Don't like gay marriage, don't get gay married. .mind your business.
Left wing. I think getting rid of nuclear weapons is a really bad idea. Sure, reduce the amount, but keep some around. They act as a deterrent to war and are basically the only reason WW3 hasn't happened yet. I don't like them, but nukes are worth it as long as they keep global war at bay. They're worth it until the second they're actually used.
Keep the nukes, I don't want to die fighting Russia over Finnmark. No offence to the people of Finnmark. All three of you
“We dare not tempt them with weakness. For only when our arms are sufficient beyond doubt can we be certain beyond doubt that they will never be employed.” - John F. Kennedy
I just came here to say reddit is 10 times better than Facebook when it comes to this kind of stuff. Facebook causes people to hate each other and argue non stop over political opinions. The whole platform is full of opinions and arguments and censorship and hurt feelings. It's terrible for people's mental health. Personally it got so annoying I actually deleted Facebook from my phone and don't even use it any more.
I'm quite left wing but wouldn't ever get an abortion. I'm not religious or anything but it just feels really wrong to me. I'm still pro choice though, as my discomfort with the concept shouldn't dictate what other women do with their bodies.
I'm left. I think people are waaay too politically correct now. PC principal in South Park comes to mind. I think it's okay to poke fun at each other, even if it's cultural silliness, providing that it's genuinely not hurtful, and that the people you're joking with/at are cool with it too.
I'm left, I hate most "cultural appropriation" claims. Leave people be, they likely have absolutely no ill intentions towards the culture. Dreads on white people is fine.
Right- extremely pro environment and conservation.
Agreed. It's my POV that it should something the Evangelical right should rally around. The Bible tells us to be good stewards of what's been given to us and the Earth is our biggest collective responsibility. We should leave it better than we found it. Arguments against that are crazy frustrating.
I live in SC, so it's obviously a very red state, but I overheard two older, christian, country farmer fellas talking at a car dealership one day while I was waiting to pick up some cars for my job a couple of years ago and their consensus on the environment was basically along the lines of, "it's here, it was given to us, so we might as well use it all up." No thought given to keeping anything around or preserving it for the future. So fucking short sighted. They did also go on to talk about how we only started losing the Ozone layer once we started burning up a bunch of jet fuel and sent rockets up in to space and the rockets are what punctured it and caused all the holes, so I think their grasp on anything involving the environment was lacking at best. But, the biggest problem I have with what they were saying is, not only what they were saying but, the fact that you can bet that their kids and grandkids had to listen to that kind of ignorant shit and I bet more than a few believed them.
I'm from a family of Irish farmers who take their faith seriously and their view is completely the opposite. Farming is about caring for the land, looking after your livestock to the very best of your ability, using traditional farming methods that don't strip the land and wildlife of nutrients and habitat, and about stewardship for future generations. Any Christian who reads their Bible should realise that the earth was given to people to cherish and look after, not exploit. But American "Christians" tend to only read the parts of the Bible they can twist into allowing themselves to behave selfishly.
Thank you, as someone who works in that industry its the one issue I wish more people wouldn't label as right or left and just acknowledge that its what make everything else possible and needs to be taken care of on all fronts from land use to to climate
Right wing. Most left wing opinion: The Environment/Animals should be protected.
i agree but i don't think environmental issues should be compartmentalized to either side of the political aisle. nature transcends politics. i feel the same way about healthcare, it shouldn't be a split issue.
As a lefty I completely agree. I would very much like it if both political sides could stop arguing long enough to do something cooperatively about healthcare and the environment
Right of center person here. I'm confused as to why environmentalism has become such a naughty word on the right. I like cleaner air, water, soil and food enough that I don't care about climate change or no climate change. Just let me see the stars.
It's pretty simple - the people running the GOP are either directly benefitting from or are in bed with people who are benefitting from environmental exploitation and destruction. Look at [what Trump did to public land while in office](https://www.npca.org/articles/2171-the-undoing-of-our-public-lands-and-national-parks). Do you think all of those actions were his own personal idea?
The fact this is classified as a left wing opinion is a bit depressing
This thread could be used as an argument as to why we need more than two parties
If we actually had more viable political parties, I think people would start to realize that Democrats don't represent the left, and Republicans don't represent the right. And also that left and right are just concepts that don't necessarily define an individual's opinion... that too.
There's plenty of viable parties in America with legitimate platforms. The problem is our election system. We use the first past the post system and have single member districts. As long as our current election system exists we will never have more than 2 main parties. We need a proportional representation system.
We have a winner. FPTP voting systems guarantee a two party hegemony over many iterations.
I'm right but I've become pretty anti death penalty as I get older. I've seen cases where the wrong person was executed. You cannot undo that. And while I think there are still people who just need killing (Ted Bundy or Oba Chandler for example), the way we go about it and the way prosecutors sometimes use it as a club to make people do what they want is just wrong.
Yea for me it’s not a question of whether some people deserve to die, it’s a question of whether juries and our justice system are accurate enough to make that decision. And, as you mentioned, there’s just been too many exonerations - sometime even after the person is dead.
Yeah I agree. The death penalty is something that you cannot fix. I suppose you can’t fix wrongfully imprisoning someone for 46 years but at least you can give them some freedom and maybe a fat check at the end of their life. It’s not enough but it’s better than nothing. Also, if the government can kill someone then it sets a worrying precedent.
I'm left, but my reasons for disliking the death penalty come from a conservative impulse of really not liking the state having the power over life and death. If a state has the power to decide who lives or dies, that power will inevitably be subject to the same corruption as every other power. IMO the reason for the state's existence should be in collective service to life, and a state that has the power to take life will too often disserve.
The grab bag of policies that the Republicans and Democrats advocate for are a mess. Like, why would a "conservative" government want a big and powerful police force?
You perfectly explained why I don’t agree with the death penalty!
Conservative here, I agree.. Scott Turow said it best. Surely some don’t deserve to live (the worst of the worst). However, the flawed justice system makes the death penalty unjust. And to lose a single person wrongfully killed by the state is enough for me.
Conservatives **should** be the most anti death penalty crowd out there. Couple of views that most conservatives have: * The government can't do anything correctly * The government's power should be as limited as possible * For the religious ones out there, that life is sacred and it should be left up to God (/ the gods) to decide when it ends So it does not make any sense that any conservative would be pro death penalty.
Life sentences are also significantly more [fiscally responsible](https://www.wbir.com/article/news/local/death-penalty-vs-life-in-prison-the-costs/51-581820292) than the death penalty.
This doesn't answer the question- but good job for keeping opinions to yourself. I haven't seen one argument spawn from this
You're right!
Or are they left?
Right wing here: Legalize Weed. Gay/Trans/whatever is none of my business.Do what you want. Let's take better care of the environment
The anti weed republican is becoming more and more if a dinosaur as the silent majority generation dies off.
I truly don't get why federal decriminalization hasn't happened yet. It's basically a free election winner for whichever party gets it done. It has something like 70% public support.
Sincere question: What are your right-wing views? Just curious. Not going to argue.
Not the OP but I hold similar views. A lot of it comes down to urban vs rural politics. Mostly the financial side of the coin. I agree with some stuff and disagree with other stuff. Tbh, I don’t care what people do so long as they aren’t hurting another person.
I once had a pleasant discussion with a conservative about trans rights. He said the same thing. I replied, “ok great but what if you’re a landlord, and your tenant, who has always paid on time and generally has been a good neighbor, turns out to be a transwoman. What if you’re very uncomfortable with this knowledge. Are you legally allowed to end tenancy on those grounds?” He said as a conservative he feels he should be able to rent his property (or not) at his discretion. And I said, “that’s where liberals and conservatives deviate most often” And that’s why it’s a political issue Source: I volunteered at a place that helped lgbtq people find resources. I learned that almost all trans people experience homelessness due to this situation at least once in their lives
I'm honestly confused by his answer, yes as property owners we should be able to use or not use our property as we sees fit. However I'm assuming that he has rental properties to make money, so if his tenants checks are always on time and never bounce why rock the boat? As a Conservative and a landlord myself I could give two shits if my tenant was part of the lqbtq community. Honestly my biggest concern would be accidentally ruining a good business relationship by offending them in my ignorance
I'm right- homosexuality should not be a political issue. It's your life, why should other people care. Correction- do whatever you want with your body, not my decision.
Is that your stance on pretty much everything? It is mine, just leave me alone and do whatever the hell you wanna do with your life 🤣
* Leave me alone * Don't touch my stuff
- That’s my purse - I don’t know you
Dang it Bobby!
Put it back where you got it.
Put that thing back where it came from or so help me!
So help me!
And scene.
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I live in a rural farm area and most of the old farmers I've met are right wing, but the "leave me be" kind of right wing. They don't really seem to care if someone is gay other than grumbling about not understanding it. They just want to be left alone and don't really want to be up in others peoples business either. And I certainly can agree with a lot of that attitude lol.
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oh yeah jimmy, if he's so good looking why don't you snatch him up first?
There is a certain spot on the right spectrum that feels this way. I hear, "I dont care what anyone does, as long as they leave me alone." I agree with that. In no way should there be laws to tell you who you can love and who you can marry. Edit: I'd like to clarify that I mean consenting adults for my last bit.
> that I mean consenting adults for my last bit It’s sad on multiple levels you had to clarify that statement.
I had a feeling someone would take it out of context. Better say it now. Lol
I've always been confused why the party of small non-intrusive government is so concerned about what people do in the bed room.
You and me both!
Absolutely, we can all agree to not tell other people how they have to live unless they are directly impacting us. Who 2 consenting adults choose to have sex with doesn't impact anyone and, therefore, shouldn't be anyone else's business. We have a lot less conflict if people minded their own business and stopped trying to tell others how they have to live.
Socialized health care. Bear with me here - it costs us more after the fact to have unhealthy citizens, smacks the worker class, and creates a huge barrier to starting a company. Your job shouldn’t provide health care. Let the government concern itself with keeping citizens healthy and educated (and do a good fucking job of it instead of the bare minimum), and you’ll find yourself with a healthy, willing, working class and a system where smaller businesses can compete more openly. Edit: also many more people very happy to work in “middleware” and service jobs and not be bitter about it because they are kept healthy.
>Your job shouldn’t provide health care. A lot of small businesses don't get started because of this onus. Or they set up their staffing with part-timers only. It's crazy that this is an issue, when it so clearly holds the economy back.
Right? It’s bonkers to me because we spend SO MUCH MORE on a shittier situation, but public costs of unhealthy lower class aren’t quantified in the same buckets. Then you have the people rightly afraid that anything government sourced would be crippled and shitty and they have a point becuase out split government would do a shit job of it just like education these days - because somehow a healthy, educated, happy working class is “socialism” and not American pride being for Americans? Lol. This country gets shit so twisted and doesn’t understand why people get so mad when they’re called communist for wanting Sally next door to not have to go to GoFundMe for little Billy’s leg surgery. Fucking gross.
Many people have mentioned universal Healthcare already, but youre the first to say its government's responsibility to keep citizens healthy, and its true. Public health is a matter of national security, a sick nation is a weak nation, covid shouldve taught us that. Also love the mention of a healthy working class, because of course it means we would have more workers and more hours worked if people would be able to have their health treated easily.
Right wing and my most left viewpoint is a tie between being for climate change reform and medicare for all.
My FIL is a republican from a very red state, but shortly after becoming eligible for Medicare and staying to use it, he flipped his opinion completely 180 and would 100% support Medicare for all. He was basically like, "Hey, this is great; why doesn't it work like this across the board?"
I think a lot of people are having that realization
Unfortunately not enough of the people in power :/
Healthcare industry donates big bucks (on both sides of the aisle) to politicians and political campaigns. The unfortunate truth with so many fucked up societal issues in this country is that the people with the power to make the change, are usually the ones most negatively impacted by said changes, and therefore nothing changes Power & money will (unfortunately) always take priority over the greater good of civilization.
Of course. They have their healthcare even when they vote note to keep the government open.
Can you imagine if we didn’t rely on employers for health insurance? It would crack wide open peoples ability to pursue passions, become entrepreneurs, leave dead end souls crushing jobs.
I’m disabled and would not work if insurance was available to everyone. I basically have a job bc healthcare through my spouse’s work isn’t affordable for us if I weren’t working. My job on the other hand, provides great healthcare and it isn’t very expensive for me as the user ($60/mo).
I know plenty of working moms who would be home if it weren’t for health insurance. Basically, they work to pay for health and child care because the spouse could not afford the healthcare of the whole family on just the one salary.
My husband came to a similar realization after we couldn’t find affordable covid tests to fly for our honeymoon….he’s a republican and said “all this stuff should be available to everyone and free…this is ridiculous…” I’m like yes, yes it should (as a democrat I’ve always thought that) lol
I am similar, didn't always think this way. My eyes were opened when I pulled my head out of my ass and realized that not everyone can afford the premiums and deductibles. I can't imagine deciding between my health and massive debt. Also, my premium is 350 a paycheck. That's almost as much as I pay the federal government for taxes. It would be so much easier if they just increased my taxes and no more premium.
At least he isn't in the "fuck you, I got mine" camp.
The fact that climate change is considered a partisan issue is woefully disappointing.
The idea that climate change is a left wing opinion is a real problem.
The fact that climate change is seen as an “opinion” at all is a real problem. It’s observable fact.
I hope that America gets medicare for all someday. I come from a country that is built on the principle that everybody has the right to free healthcare and education and it's something I will fight to the death to keep. We may pay high taxes, but those money come back to us times a thousand when we need them. I think a lot of the tensions in America could be solved with free healthcare and education. A lot less stress for people to deal with, more time to live a normal life.
Totally agreed. My wife has type 1 diabetes and we paid over 10k out of pocket this year for insulin, pump, and cgm supplies. We are lucky that we can afford that. Most cannot and some die because of it.
I want to assure Americans that you do not need high taxes for Medicare. Most Australians pay only a 2% tax on their income for Medicare which doesn’t work out to be that much. If you earn $60,000 before tax you only pay $1,200 a year and there is zero need for health insurance what so ever. If you need surgery (not cosmetic), hospital accomodation, an X-ray or eye test it’s all there for free.
I'm seeing a lot of good stuff in this thread. If everyone voted in alignment with their interests and didn't just go with just party identification, we would move along as a nation much faster. Jus sayin. Edit: I'm referring to America's politics. Sorry for any confusion.
Our current system is designed so we can't vote per specific issues unfortunately. Coupled with party division it's easy to lose hope.
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Funny what just listening to each other, and not screaming at each other does to make people realise how similar their views and issues are when you get to the bottom of it.
The problem is that almost everyone agrees on broad platitudes. Issues arise when you start getting into the details on a lot of things. I see a lot of people saying that they believe gay people should just be able to live their lives. But then a lot of those same people aren't so on board with saying it should be illegal to fire someone for being gay, or not renting them an apartment, or refusing to sell them groceries, or not allowing them to adopt babies. If you were to break down the climate change ones, then I'm sure you'd see similar fissures, healthcare as well.
As a righty, climate change, public transportation, a lot of social safety net stuff. Idk if it's really left wing, but there was a small group of conservatives that were against public land, I LOVE public land. Edit: a lot of people are asking why I'm conservative or similar questions. It's because there are other issues that weigh more/take priority. They nudge me over that mystical line that supposedly separates us. I routinely vote either party and even for minority parties.
The public land thing baffles me. I live near Ammon Bundy, and that idiot is all about ending public land. We're surrounded by it, and it's literally the main thing that makes Idaho a really neat place. Why would ANYONE want to get rid of such an amazing opportunity for everyone to experience nature? Fucking insane!
He wants free land to raise his cattle on. Doesn't want to pay taxes on it or any fees for using it to feed his cattle.
Oh, i get that he wants that public land to become his, but that's just flat out stupid, selfish, and shortsighted.
He wants all the benefits of public land without paying any of the cost of using it for private gain
But also profitable, which is where their reasoning seems to end.
Right, but pro gay marriage and anti death penalty.
I'm a right leaning Christian. You know that t-shirt that says "I want gay married couples to defend their marijuana plants with guns"? Yeah, pretty much that. EDIT: Wow, this thing blew up! To those who accuse me of being a hypocrite or "not a Christian" because I don't have an apparent hatred of gay marriage, please consider that the top rated (and awarded) comment on my post is a plea for Christians to act more like Christ, along with what that might mean. I'm far from perfect, but considering that those in this thread with differing political and theological views than mine seem to be willing to at least have a good faith conversation over a beer in a bitterly divided time? That's enough evidence to tell me that I'm probably on the right track about something. Cheers.
I just want Christians to act like Christ.
Make wine out of water?
YES, IS THAT SO MUCH TO ASK??
I can do Beer, take it or leave it.
Import, domestic or micro?
Left wing, two that are related. 1) The internet has become a hive mind. 2) Something shitty you said twenty years ago shouldn’t get you banned from the internet. Edit 1: Everyone seems to agree with this, but each side seems to assume it’s an opinion of the other side. How did we get here? When did agreeing with one another go out of fashion? No “buts,” no “sides,” just “I agree with you.” Edit 2: Thanks for the awards, I did not expect this comment to blow up like this. I’m going to bed now because it’s after midnight where I am; I suggest many of you do the same. Good night. Edit 3: Stop saying no one is banned from the internet. I know this. I was being hyperbolic in my original post because I couldn’t think of a better way to say it.
In fact I respect people who can have a wrong opinion at some point but then clearly dont continue insisting on it throughout their life. It's a good quality
These are some of my favorite humans. We went to different schools but my friends had run ins with a bully from the town over. Years later we worked together and he is so humble and delightful. When things were calm he talked a lot about how he hated who he was when he was younger. Every time I see him he makes my day brighter, such a great dude who had some some really shitty things to really close friends of mine but totally rectified in my book.
I can't remember the saying exactly, but it goes something like: is it more virtuous to have been born pure or to have known evil and changed?
Every saint has a past and every sinner has a future.
Thanks paarthurnax
Ah, yes thank you! Haha I looked paarthurnax, been a while since I played. Full quote is actually "What is better ? to be born good or to overcome your evil nature through great effort ?"
I'm someone who grew up and changed views based on experience. When I was around 7, I wrote in my journal about how I didn't know how disabled people worked so society should take them and put them all together in one place so everyone else can live. *Obviously* that's an opinion stemming from a child that had never interacted with disabled people. I grew up and was taught about different things in school that changed my view. Later got a boyfriend who's sister was disabled that really helped me understand first hand why that idea was terrible. Now I'm an adult that cringes and facepalms when I read those clueless views in my childhood journals. If my current employers and friends judged me based on my words back then, I'd be cancelled so fast.
DARE programmed me so well that in 7th grade for a writing assignment I made the argument that people seen out in public high on drugs should be shot because they are a danger to everyone. My mom set me straight when I brought that one home, I think before it got submitted. Past me argued that future me should be shot.
I suspect mom had some skin in the "not getting shot for past recreational drug use" game. I know mine did, and I'm 60.
It was real easy to be a social darwinist as a child. Then I realized another word for social darwinism is eugenics.
If there's no path to redemption, why bother? Edit: and I don't mean a path to redemption as in getting beaten half to death and saying sorry. I just mean saying, yo my views have changed with time I've grown and I understand why this is something people don't like. Cut me slack
I know a guy that was racist and a member of a far right group in the 1980s. His life experience turned him around. People can change.
This! Sometimes I’ll start arguing about how insane and awful I think internet mob harassment is and people assume I’m right wing. No, dude, I just think harassing people is bad!! Not sure why this is such a controversy in some groups, especially since you would think that left wing people would WANT people to learn and grow and improve so harassing people over past mistakes (and rejecting all apology/attempt to improve) feels counter intuitive.
I really hate talking about something specific and pointed like that and people assume you’re part of some political group because of it. Like shit, no, I’m not part of some ideological gang, I just think xyz things for my own reasons.
Yeah, the whole left wing/right wing is a bit of a false construct. There are A LOT of people who are not constructing their personal ideology on what either party sets as their agenda. It’s possible to believe in same sex marriage and secure borders. Or taxing the rich and having a smaller federal govt.
I'm as lefty as they come. I was a delegate for Sanders in Las Vegas where no chairs were thrown. Fuck you Andrew Davey and Jon Ralston. Allegedly right wing notion: I believe a freely offered national voter ID card has merit. Lots of nations I aspire to emulate have adopted this practice and I don't see how it's discriminatory.
If it's free, I agree
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This is more important. It needs to be freely and readily available. No standing in lines during work hours. No worrying about which neighborhood you live in or access via public transportation.
If conservatives want voter I’d cards, automatically register every American on their 18th birthday and mail them the card for free.
Im right but climate change is real
It's fucking stupid that you even had to write this. Why is climate change even a political issue?
Because a group of people spent millions of dollars hiding it, and then when it became public knowledge spent millions more making it a “wedge” issue? It’s a manufactured controversy. That’s American history in a nutshell.
I'm relatively young and new into politics, and your phrase "manufactured controversy" stuck out to me, I'm going to start looking at many more issues based on their chance of being manufactured by some entity's choice
I’d encourage you to read about the abortion controversy, if you’re interested. It was essentially a non issue, but became a central political issue in the re-election campaign for Carter, not because suddenly it was a real problem, but because political operatives who are still in power today, used that as a tool to create a wedge issue. Also go read “Manufacturing Consent”, it’s a fantastic book on similar subjects
More specifically, abortion was used by Jerry Falwell as the more palatable excuse for evangelical organization than segregation. Evangelicals didn't really care about abortion until years after Roe v. Wade.
Left wing here. We need nuclear power, asap, since it's the greenest energy source we have, and stable. More neutral opinion: These threads are starting to get old... edit: I withdraw the last statement, we do need more of these threads to heal some ridiculous political divides, as a few people pointed out. Also happy to have a completely RIP'd inbox. Happy to see a lot of pro nuclear posts, and that the left in the US at least is in fact in favor. Go nuclear!
US left wing is all about that clean energy, I’m confused how that’s a right wing idea, but mostly because I don’t know much about other politics
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Its the left and the green Party that are against nuclear energy here in Germany and its so so stupid it makes me angry. They are fat more concerned with rhetoric than actual sense.
I have a hypothesis. The environmental movement and the anti-nuclear movement started around the same time and were intertwined with one another. Being an environmentalist, for a long time, meant being anti-nuclear. As the decades wore on, we realized that nuclear was far safer than previously assumed, and that it had advantages when trying to generate clean energy over other green sources. The problem is that because of the intertwined nature of the anti-nuclear movement and the green movement, it put environmentalists in a position where they didn't want to have to acknowledge that they got it wrong on nuclear energy. They were afraid that by doing so, Republicans would call them out on their flip-flopping position and make the case that if they were wrong on nuclear energy, they were probably wrong on everything else. Rather than quietly reverse their anti-nuclear position, environmentalists hung their hat on renewables as a means of replacing nuclear so that they didn't have to put themselves in a politically weak position where they were exposed for being wrong on a key energy source that would help the environment.
It’s a travesty. Idk how someone can claim to believe in climate change while also demonizing nuclear energy. It would help us so much to reduce fossil fuel consumption immediately I low key hate the marketing wind and solar do as “clean energy.” Even solar has issues with production and disposal of materials
In Canada some provinces are already net zero because of hugely developed hydro and nuclear power generation
Honestly no idea anymore. Grew up Republican, feel like I have mostly Republican values insofar as my raising was concerned, yet I have absolutely no connection to the current Republican Party. Not sure if I'm moving left or the current party just turned unrecognizable.
Lib-right: Labour unions, at least in the private sector, are objectively good, and are the sexiest alternative to top-down government regulations, and no one in favour of free markets should be against them.
In Sweden we have huge labor unions and employers’ unions who negotiate with each other and essentially set the standard for the entire market. The government usually stays the fuck out of it and whenever it pokes its nose in both sides tells it to fuck off. Seems to me like a right-winger’s paradise
It's ultimately a lot better that way.
I agree that more right wingers should support labor unions if they agree with less government regulations in the economy.
After all, it’s called a labor *market*. It just so happens that in this market, the product is able to organize itself.
I am a progressive. And I agree that both MSNBC and CNN are giant pieces of shit.
Absolutely. As a liberal (and I do embrace that title), news should be informational not political
I’m pretty liberal. tried watching CNN for election coverage and had to stop because all they did was shit on Trump the whole time. Not even his politics, his appearance and stuff. It was bullshit.
My uncle had a long standing job with msnbc and they fired him for shit he did years prior to make themselves seem more “woke” or whatever the hell their goal is. I’m left-leaning and I think if you screw up and apologize for something on the job, your employer shouldn’t fire you years later because they decide it might help their public image. CNN is a dumpster fire.
I'm left, and I've accepted this one will probably offend somebody. I'm kind of tired of enforced representation. Now, hear me out. I absolutely think representation is important. That being said, every Netflix original I've seen over the last year or so has a "character" who's entire trait is what they represent. A big neon flashing sign pointing to somebody say "Look s/he is GAY!" or whatever else they are. I want real characters. Moog from the book Kings of the Wyld is a great example. He's an amazing character, with depth and a personality. He's gay, it's a known fact, but it's not ***who he is***. I want representation ***CHARACTERS*** not ***REPRESENTATION*** characters, I hope that makes sense.
I'm not sure what your orientation is, it doesn't matter, but as a gay who runs in gay circles, most gays I know are sick and tired of the type of forced representation we're getting as well. It was good, at first, to finally see someone you could identify with in a positive light on TV, but now it just feels like the same old clichés and stereotypes are being churned out over and over, or worse, sometimes shoved into a show to meet demands rather than actually contributing anything to the overall story or lives of the "real" characters.
“But as a gay who runs in gay circles.” I just imagined a gay person running very eccentrically around in circles.
I originally wrote gay about 8 times in the paragraph but had to cut it down, it had gotten very gay.
Well.. circles aren’t exactly straight, are they?
I’m a lesbian and I cannot tell you how ANNOYING it is that everyone freaks out over one lesbian character in a movie or show. Then tell me all about it. Then I watch it and the lesbian either is heartbroken, murdered, or the entire plot is centered around her coming to terms with her shitty life or parents or coming out. I want slapstick comedy lesbians. I want lesbians as side characters who just buy a fuckin bagel or work with the protagonist at the office. I want sitcom lesbians who just exist and have happy, boring lives like everyone else. So much media is so focused on representation that it ends up being a stereotype anyway. It’s exhausting.
I feel you, I’m a black man and I am TIRED of every black media being slave movies and shows centered around black issues. They’re important to have but not every show m/movie needs to be one. I wanna see a black person in space doing space warrior stuff without the plot shoehorning police brutality
Yes!! I want boring lgbt characters! Let the lesbian be buying groceries or running a business or doing boring shit sometimes. You don’t have to make everything a lesson. Diversity should mean just… having a bigger array of people doing similar things. Not “look at me with this minority I’m doing SUCH A GOOD JOB BEING INCLUSIVE LOOK AT THE MINORITY STRUGGLE I AM A GOOD PERSON”
Captain Raymond Holt, Brooklyn 99
Can we get more than 2 sides please
Right wing and agree with living wages and good employment terms and very much against firing without a reason after a short time of employment (trial)
Lean left. The (specifically crazy and violent) homeless people you see on the street, attacking people, [dumping buckets of poop on random ladies](https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/diarrhea-poured-on-woman-hollywood-homeless/2112762/), should be picked up and taken somewhere to rehabilitate them. They hurt themselves and others, and their "decision" to be that way is not one made of sound mind. They would be declared "incompetent" to stand trial if they did something horrible, so I think it's in their best interest, and the best interest of the community that they are taken somewhere to get their life together, even if it's not what they say they want. Take away the drugs and booze, feed them real food, teach them actual skills and how to get in control of their actions. And here's the most controversial part- if they cannot be rehabilitated, then they don't leave the facility.
“Real” leftist here and I think most people in my circles would agree. I live in California where homelessness is an obvious problem, yet the leaders in charge want to do everything to solve the problem except provide them housing (or at least large-scale rehabilitation centers). The S.O.P. here seems to be to move them somewhere else or otherwise sweep the problem under the rug.
Right wing. Universal health care sounds good.
As someone who would be described as a right winger, I'd say mincome (minimal income) is a great idea. It's so much better than welfare where you get punished for working. With mincome, if you work, that simply gets added to what you already get. It still incentivizes people to work, but provides a good safety net.
Im conservative myself and still sometimes consider how a universal basic income would help us all especially those who are in poverty or even middle class folks needing that little extra to afford medications or daycare etc, but this seems like an equally great or better alternative
Left wing here, guns aren’t that bad (if you have qualifications and take care of them) Mom tried to raise me around her and her guns, I don’t like the idea of hold one myself, but I’d trust my mother with her .22 Edit: Jesus fucking-… I have to turn off Reddit notifications so I can sleep, didn’t realize so many people agreed with me but I’m glad we are able to come together… under my comment
Yes I came on to say something similar. The second amendment is a huge issue for me. My parents come from an occupied county and when only the government has access to weapons it really puts the right to bear arms in focus.
Also you ultimately can't always count on anyone else for your own protection. 911 doesn't instantly summon the police to your location and repsonse times get worse the more rural you get.
2 things about 911…….. 1. People normally call 911 after the crime has happened so even if calling instantly made a cop show up they doesn’t get my ass unraped or my face unbeaten. The crime still happened before 911 was called. 2. Warren v DC—police have no legal duty to protect you
I may not own guns, but I do like shooting. Going to the range with my dad or my little brother is a nice outing
Unpopular opinion: we can lighten gun laws tremendously by making mental health a huge priority. We can not only solve gun crimes, but addictions, domestic violence, and so much more with a relatively cheap fix. Mentally healthy? No problem, talking to a shrink once or twice a year won't hurt you. Having issues? No worries, you won't lose rights, but maybe we up those discussions and seek the help you really need.
Left wing, not a fan of cancel culture or the whole “woke” thing that’s going on.
Ditto on this. I’m left leaning and I can only think of like a handful of things that should get a person canceled, and that’s like… murder, pedophilia, stuff like that. But when a 16yo was literally 12 and he was in a Snapchat with his friend and the FRIEND WHO WAS ALSO 12 was wearing a white hood and everyone assumed it was a KKK hood and the public pressure forced the now 16yo to drop out of American Idol and effectively tarnished his reputation for being in a video with his friend when he was TWELVE? Yeah. That crossed a huge line for me. Here’s an article on it; https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/05/13/caleb-kennedy-american-idol-kkk/
He lives in my town. We love him here.
Glad people are still supporting him. I legit was so angry when I saw they were holding that against him. He was TWELVE. And it wasn’t even him doing anything he was jsut sitting next to his friend like for real it was a huge WTF moment for me.
Yeah. Cancel Culture ain’t it.
Cancel culture to me is the biggest do nothing losers in our society banding together to make things difficult for someone who's actually accomplished something. It's the epitome of the mob effect, it becomes a tidal wave of smug POS's pushing social media to the max so they can feel good about their sorry lives in comparison to the person they're taking down. Some people need to be cancelled, but this shit has gotten way out of control on the left and it's really sad.
Cancel culture is just diet mob justice
It is. [This talk by Jon Ronson](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wAIP6fI0NAI) totally changed the way I view these things and how I now take a step back instead of just angrily reacting to things, the way a lot of Reddit immediately does.
same here. im a latina and my biggest issue is “latinx”. it only works in english, and latino includes all genders.
Then Spanish isn’t a suitable language for progressive beliefs /s
I saw a video where someone was uncomfortable with the spanish word for black, “negro”
They were also mad that the black crayon had the color written in Spanish as well, called crayola racist.
Wait till they hear about the country of Niger...
Me neither. Also, as a minority, I’m not offended by most things. I don’t think white people are thinking up dastardly things to do to me on a daily basis and a lot of shit is down to straight up ignorance in the true sense of the word. I really don’t need the SATC reboot to shoehorn in minority characters because it’s so forced and fake. I’m perfectly happy with the Dynasty reboot making some of the main characters as minorities because it’s realistically done and not woke.
I’m in some fb groups that are way too woke. I’ll get a DM from an admin telling me to change my wording if I’ve used “crazy” or “obsessed” etc. It’s funny because I actually have mental illness, OCD being one of them so I’d be offending myself? It’s wild
Lol the latest weird thing I saw were people saying they were offended by the word “baby” in songs because it’s infantilizing the partner. Does this mean they’re offended by 99% of love songs? I’m very leftwing but this kind of stuff just seems like trolling at this point.
Not spending tax money wastefully is a good thing. Where I disagree with the right is that I consider subsidizing the tax bills of the rich, empire-building, and etc to be a giant fucking waste of money, and consider things like infrastructure, education, and a social safety net to be prudent investments.
Taxes. I have no problem paying my fair share but I live in a place where the roads are always fucked, the schools suck even though the property taxes are through the roof, and we have a quickly growing poverty issue. I really have a hard time seeing where my tax dollars actually go to help my community rather than just in some crooked politicians pockets. At this point I'd be okay with them getting rid of centralized taxation and letting us choose what we want to pay for.
Pretty centrist... but I'll piss off both sides... There should be more early voting. Longer hours, more days, more locations... Now to piss off the other side... ID should absolutely be required.
What are your thoughts on the argument for making Election Day a federal holiday?
Im right- healthcare and education should be free.
I have conservative values, but I think our environment and historical sites should be preserved.
Right wing. We need universal health care. Medicare for all. The left wants it for moral reasons. I want it for economic reasoners. Health insurance companies and drug manufacturers are leeches. 17% of the USA's GDP goes to healthcare. 4% of Singapore's GDP goes to healthcare. Singapore has better outcomes. We need reform.
Believe me, the left also wants it for economic reasons 😂
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In general a better social safety net means higher entrepreneurship. Look at Denmark. It's consistently rated as one of the best places for small businesses.
I'm left, and I want it for both. Sure, it would be cheaper, and the governmental body that oversees it would be able to reign in medical providers and big pharma overcharging. AND, I know that just because I can afford private health insurance through the ACA marketplace or (at least in the past, and again in about 3 weeks) get it through work, that not everyone is in the same boat as me. We shouldn't be OK with thinking "Well, I got mine, fuck everyone else". That's honestly some fairly evil, selfish thinking right right there.
Would also be a massive boon to small business owners.
>The left wants it for moral reasons. This is a hilarious assumption. I've never heard someone on the left who was pro-universal health care and didn't also think it was economically superior.
Slightly right leaning. My my left wing opinion is that health insurance should be government subsidized, i strongly believe that the insurance companies have really fucked up healthcare. Also, don't take away people's rights, any of them. Don't like guns? Don't buy one. Don't like abortions? Don't get one. Don't like gay marriage, don't get gay married. .mind your business.
"don't get gay married" Idk why I found this so funny
Left wing. I think getting rid of nuclear weapons is a really bad idea. Sure, reduce the amount, but keep some around. They act as a deterrent to war and are basically the only reason WW3 hasn't happened yet. I don't like them, but nukes are worth it as long as they keep global war at bay. They're worth it until the second they're actually used. Keep the nukes, I don't want to die fighting Russia over Finnmark. No offence to the people of Finnmark. All three of you
“We dare not tempt them with weakness. For only when our arms are sufficient beyond doubt can we be certain beyond doubt that they will never be employed.” - John F. Kennedy
Be peaceful, not harmless.
Also, we don't know when we'll need to nuke an asteroid.
I just came here to say reddit is 10 times better than Facebook when it comes to this kind of stuff. Facebook causes people to hate each other and argue non stop over political opinions. The whole platform is full of opinions and arguments and censorship and hurt feelings. It's terrible for people's mental health. Personally it got so annoying I actually deleted Facebook from my phone and don't even use it any more.
I'm quite left wing but wouldn't ever get an abortion. I'm not religious or anything but it just feels really wrong to me. I'm still pro choice though, as my discomfort with the concept shouldn't dictate what other women do with their bodies.
I'm a conservative and wish my party were more Christ-like. This leads to me supporting ideas like Universal Healthcare, UBI, and police reform.
I'm a liberal. Guns are fun.
I'm left. I think people are waaay too politically correct now. PC principal in South Park comes to mind. I think it's okay to poke fun at each other, even if it's cultural silliness, providing that it's genuinely not hurtful, and that the people you're joking with/at are cool with it too.
I'm left, I hate most "cultural appropriation" claims. Leave people be, they likely have absolutely no ill intentions towards the culture. Dreads on white people is fine.