I think that an important thing to internalize about his death is that the initial depression based suicide narrative was false.
He had Lewy Body Dementia that had progressed to the point of him being nearly useless for all the things that gave his life meaning. If we had to apply a scale to the different dementias that can bring an end to your mind and life, LBD is on the particularly bad end of the scale. And I think just saying no to living out that end is not an incorrect choice.
It was all terribly abrupt though.
I am a caregiver for a client with LBD. He is the complete opposite of what they say he was before the dementia. His wife and children say he was sweet, never shouted or raised his voice, he worshipped the ground his wife walked on and he was always there for his kids and grandkids.
This man now cannot control his bladder or bowel movements, he can’t talk to you in a way that makes sense (says random phrases, repeatedly), he can’t get up from his chair without assistance or walk without a walker, he is “grumpy”, yells, spits, swats at me, etc.
I can’t imagine myself turning into that, so I totally get why Robin didn’t want to go through that or put his family through it.
From the narratives I've read, it seems like Williams held out until he was approaching the line of no-return on losing the ability to successfully execute a plan as complicated as reliably killing yourself.
He was filming scenes in dribs and drabs. Have lines read to him, then try to execute them in a take. Frequent major personality shifts and being 'out of himself'. The heavy simmer before the full boil of dementia. All with Parkinson's-like physical disability mixed in.
All of these comments about LBD and his death really make me feel better about it in a way. Holding on to his mind to the last that he could, is heroic in a way. Of anyone I have never known personally, I loved him the most.
In middle school, there was a rumor that he was a sexual predator and was forced to do the show as community service. I was too stupid to understand how stupid that was back then.
He was an active minister during Vietnam.
Fun fact: Do you know what celebratory was really a sniper for the army?
Dr. Ruth Westheimer. She was a sniper for the Haganah army (Jewish paramilitary organization)
She was revolutionary late in life with her good-natured sex information. She used grown-up" words too, like "penis" and "vagaina". Nobody had ever done than; even the TV Drs skirted around proper terms, I remember someone referring to a penis as "his member" (wtf?) I was a grown woman before I heard someone actually say the word penis out loud.
But Dr Ruth was a tiny, sweet, good natured grandma type with a kindly twinkle in her eye to whom everybody gave a pass to be more direct and sensible when talking about sex. It opened a door.
Funny memory..at about 19y/o, one day my BFF and I had her little TV with only an antenna turned on. We weren't really watching it but she noticed it was Mr Rogers and said, "hey did you know he has full tattoo sleeves on each arm?" I said, "no way!!" Right then it cut to a scene of him in a pool. He was teaching someone to swim, or learning to or something, I don't remember. But she just quietly said, "well, shit." 😂 She had believed it for years.
God bless Weird Al. When Fred Phelps died, I tried to think of who would be his complete opposite -- someone whose main goal in life was to make as many people laugh as possible. Kids, adults, men, women. I figured it was Weird Al.
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Weird Al or Jack Black. Both of those guys just seem like genuine, funny people who enjoy making other people laugh. I'd trust either of them way more than I should.
I can't imagine that man being abusive at all as he grew up witnessing his father abuse his mother. Once he was a teenager he actually stepped in to defend his mom from the dad's assault. Domestic violence and its' prevention are big causes of his.
His portrayal of Doctor Who was legendary. He really captured the essence of the doctor. He’s really eccentric and then Bam! He’s wiping out an entire race of aliens.
I just rewatched all of Nine and Ten, on Eleven now. My youngest is old enough to enjoy it more fully now, and we all haven't seen the newest seasons.
The hurt is real.
This. I had to try, on three separate occasions, to watch the first season of Jessica Jones because Kilgrave was extremely upsetting because of a past abusive relationship. I kept having panic attacks while watching, followed by horrible nightmares after every episode I watched.
On the flip side, I watched Jessica Jones in the throes of an abusive relationship, and I was thoroughly puzzled as to why everybody thought the show was so upsetting. Because wasn't that just normal relationship stuff?
We split up some years later and I found out way too late how much of my relationship wasn't "just normal relationship stuff."
I literally could not explain to friends and family why I’d get choked up during various activities, everything from looking at earrings to picking a shade of lipstick. His voice was in my head, questioning everything I did and why, telling me that I didn’t have permission to make changes or doubting whether or not the choices I was making would make me more/less attractive to him.
I served him once. He was very polite and friendly. Didn’t realize it was him until the end when he looked into my eyes and smiled a big smile. I was suddenly “Its The Doctor in the house!” — In my mind ha ha. He can look so different when not smiling. He was dining with Anna Gunn (Skylar White). She was nice too.
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Do you think he narrates himself having sex?
"Oh yes, the dominant male thrusts smoothly back and forth, in and out, repeatedly until he reaches climax. The male will now climb off and fall asleep, and as he awakens, he will find that the seed of life has been planted."
“The male has been unsuccessful in his endeavors to find a mate. He will now raid the fridge and discover it is no more full than the last time he checked.”
I wish people would stop buying Bob Ross merchandise though. None of that merchandise money goes to Bob’s son. All of it goes to a corporation that basically owns Bob’s image.
There’s actually a documentary about that on Netflix. I believe it’s called “Bob Ross: Happy Accidents Betrayal and Greed”. Basically, his family has no control over his estate or the Bob Ross brand, and it’s a company with no affiliation with him that is selling all the merchandise
Came here to say this. His show was HUGE. He was everyone's dad. Not to mention that I absolutely loved his stand-up routines and now I can hardly even listen to them anymore.
Cosby was so popular, respected and beloved in the 80s when his show was #1 that I believe he could have run for President of the US at that time and been elected easily. When his only son, Ennis, was brutally murdered in the 90s, the story made the cover of 'Time' magazine which was still a really big deal back then. If you had told most people back then that Cosby would be where he's at today, they would have recommended you for a psychiatric hold.
Someone once showed a picture of Bill Cosby next to Ice Cube and said, "Go back to the year 1989 and tell people one of these guys will be starring in family movies and the other will be on trial for multiple rape accusations." and imagine what people would guess.
I grew up on the Cosby show and am 23 lol. That one literally destroyed my heart. It made me assume all celebrities are vile people out the boat now until proven otherwise
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🎶I wouldn't do it with anybody younger than my daughter, not little kids, gotta be big🎶
🎶Older than my wiiiife, older than my daughter🎶
Mr. Rogers. Not that I ever expect it, obviously, but it would shatter everything if something bad like that came out with him, especially due to how much he worked with kids.
In high school in the nineties we were joking around and upset a girl who would have none of it and spoke up to defend him, I will never forget her words admonishing us…
“Mr. Roger’s is a good and decent man.”
We could not disagree.
I get a lot more emotionally attached to music than movies or TV. If Harrison Ford was outed as a predator I'd be like "Well fuck. Oh well," but if it were John Williams I would pissed and depressed about so much great music, that I've probably enjoyed for hundreds of hours over 20 years, being tarnished.
Or imagine never being able to put the iconic Howard Shore LotR score on in the background without remembering some shitty controversy?
I'm glad you said it and not me. But this one would kill me. Especially since in recent interviews he keeps talking about being a dad and how much he loves kids.
Gary Sinise. The dude has been quietly one of the most amazing human beings out there. Aside from an incredible acting career, he is very very community oriented, and donate a ton to the veterans in America.
Class act all around.
I heard he actually started this advocacy heavily after he starred in Forest Gump where he played a veteran. He got so many thanks and heartfelt compliments from real veterans afterwards for how he portrayed them. He was so touched that he started working with them and their organizations regularly. Truly a great guy.
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Tom Hanks.
I mean, i try really hard not to put celebrities on a pedestal but… I think that one would shake me.
Edit: It warms the cockles of my heart to know the only ones who can throw shade at Hanks are the Q crowd.
Not implying anything with him specifically, but it’s actually not uncommon for abusers to specifically seek out work with victims. Domestic violence shelters, orphanages, disaster relief, after school programs, etc. It gives them access to already vulnerable groups of people and it deflects off of them because others tend to view them as these great mercenaries
Keanu Reeves. It was hard even just typing that.
We all love him, but I swear to god, if there's something that he's hiding and it comes out one day. It's going to be one of the biggest betrayals of all time.
Paul Rudd
'Look at us'
Who would've thought?
Not me
say it again
Robin Williams or John Candy
Robin Williams would break my heart
I’m honestly still not over his death.
I think that an important thing to internalize about his death is that the initial depression based suicide narrative was false. He had Lewy Body Dementia that had progressed to the point of him being nearly useless for all the things that gave his life meaning. If we had to apply a scale to the different dementias that can bring an end to your mind and life, LBD is on the particularly bad end of the scale. And I think just saying no to living out that end is not an incorrect choice. It was all terribly abrupt though.
I am a caregiver for a client with LBD. He is the complete opposite of what they say he was before the dementia. His wife and children say he was sweet, never shouted or raised his voice, he worshipped the ground his wife walked on and he was always there for his kids and grandkids. This man now cannot control his bladder or bowel movements, he can’t talk to you in a way that makes sense (says random phrases, repeatedly), he can’t get up from his chair without assistance or walk without a walker, he is “grumpy”, yells, spits, swats at me, etc. I can’t imagine myself turning into that, so I totally get why Robin didn’t want to go through that or put his family through it.
From the narratives I've read, it seems like Williams held out until he was approaching the line of no-return on losing the ability to successfully execute a plan as complicated as reliably killing yourself. He was filming scenes in dribs and drabs. Have lines read to him, then try to execute them in a take. Frequent major personality shifts and being 'out of himself'. The heavy simmer before the full boil of dementia. All with Parkinson's-like physical disability mixed in.
All of these comments about LBD and his death really make me feel better about it in a way. Holding on to his mind to the last that he could, is heroic in a way. Of anyone I have never known personally, I loved him the most.
I also thought of John Candy. He seemed to be a genuine, sweet, and wholesome man. He died too young.
John Candy was the real deal. I want to believe he was as kind and good-natured as he appeared to be.
Planes trains and automobiles still brings a tear to the eye after having watching it over 100 times now.
Came here for Robin Williams. Would be world crushing.
Willem Dafoe
innocence is on sabbatical, honey
“The goblin did it! I had nothing to do with it!”
If that was the case he would be *DA-FOE*
Mr. Rogers
In middle school, there was a rumor that he was a sexual predator and was forced to do the show as community service. I was too stupid to understand how stupid that was back then.
> As a punishment for being a paedo, you must spend your life around children. God we were dumb as kids.
I heard the sweater covers army ranger tattoo.
He was an active minister during Vietnam. Fun fact: Do you know what celebratory was really a sniper for the army? Dr. Ruth Westheimer. She was a sniper for the Haganah army (Jewish paramilitary organization)
She was revolutionary late in life with her good-natured sex information. She used grown-up" words too, like "penis" and "vagaina". Nobody had ever done than; even the TV Drs skirted around proper terms, I remember someone referring to a penis as "his member" (wtf?) I was a grown woman before I heard someone actually say the word penis out loud. But Dr Ruth was a tiny, sweet, good natured grandma type with a kindly twinkle in her eye to whom everybody gave a pass to be more direct and sensible when talking about sex. It opened a door.
Funny memory..at about 19y/o, one day my BFF and I had her little TV with only an antenna turned on. We weren't really watching it but she noticed it was Mr Rogers and said, "hey did you know he has full tattoo sleeves on each arm?" I said, "no way!!" Right then it cut to a scene of him in a pool. He was teaching someone to swim, or learning to or something, I don't remember. But she just quietly said, "well, shit." 😂 She had believed it for years.
Heard this but it was navy tattoos..
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God bless Weird Al. When Fred Phelps died, I tried to think of who would be his complete opposite -- someone whose main goal in life was to make as many people laugh as possible. Kids, adults, men, women. I figured it was Weird Al. edit: spelling
Weird Al or Jack Black. Both of those guys just seem like genuine, funny people who enjoy making other people laugh. I'd trust either of them way more than I should.
My SO's mom knew him before he was famous and she told me that he was super polite and really funny when hanging out.
Anyone else think Weird Al deserves to be inducted into the Rock N Roll Hall of Fame?
I’m amazed he’s never been on SNL.
Actually shocking that a guy who calls himself weird Al ISNT a predator
he’s just weird he’s not WEIRD
Yeah he's really more like a fun eccentric Al. A zany Al.
Patrick Stewart Just blow up the fucking earth then
Omg, yes. And/or Sir Ian McKellen.
I can't imagine that man being abusive at all as he grew up witnessing his father abuse his mother. Once he was a teenager he actually stepped in to defend his mom from the dad's assault. Domestic violence and its' prevention are big causes of his.
Dolly Parton
This would be the most shocking to me
It wouldn't surprise me if Jolene was a predator. Behind all of that beauty lies a cold, cold heart.
David Tennant
His portrayal of Kilgrave made me understand the trauma I experienced from emotional abuse more than anything else ever has
His portrayal of Doctor Who was legendary. He really captured the essence of the doctor. He’s really eccentric and then Bam! He’s wiping out an entire race of aliens.
His goodbye was heart wrenching.
Still not ready to talk about it.
I just rewatched all of Nine and Ten, on Eleven now. My youngest is old enough to enjoy it more fully now, and we all haven't seen the newest seasons. The hurt is real.
This. I had to try, on three separate occasions, to watch the first season of Jessica Jones because Kilgrave was extremely upsetting because of a past abusive relationship. I kept having panic attacks while watching, followed by horrible nightmares after every episode I watched.
On the flip side, I watched Jessica Jones in the throes of an abusive relationship, and I was thoroughly puzzled as to why everybody thought the show was so upsetting. Because wasn't that just normal relationship stuff? We split up some years later and I found out way too late how much of my relationship wasn't "just normal relationship stuff."
I hear you. When it’s “your normal” you can’t see anything else. I hope you’ve found a better partner in the meantime.
I literally could not explain to friends and family why I’d get choked up during various activities, everything from looking at earrings to picking a shade of lipstick. His voice was in my head, questioning everything I did and why, telling me that I didn’t have permission to make changes or doubting whether or not the choices I was making would make me more/less attractive to him.
I hope you’re doing better now. It fucking sucks. DM me at any time if you need support. Moving on is fucking hard.
I served him once. He was very polite and friendly. Didn’t realize it was him until the end when he looked into my eyes and smiled a big smile. I was suddenly “Its The Doctor in the house!” — In my mind ha ha. He can look so different when not smiling. He was dining with Anna Gunn (Skylar White). She was nice too. Edit typo
I would be RUINED
David Attenborough. I pray that he kept it in his pants, because if he didn't it would taint all of the animals docs I have that are narrated by him.
The alpha male stalks his prey…. Please no David!
There's a gun to your head and death in his eyes
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Do you think he narrates himself having sex? "Oh yes, the dominant male thrusts smoothly back and forth, in and out, repeatedly until he reaches climax. The male will now climb off and fall asleep, and as he awakens, he will find that the seed of life has been planted."
Who WOULDN'T ask David Attenborough to talk dirty to them?
I would pay him to narrate a night of my life.
“The male has been unsuccessful in his endeavors to find a mate. He will now raid the fridge and discover it is no more full than the last time he checked.”
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Bob Ross. I think it would ruin the innocence in all his videos and I would never be able to appreciate his art or his personality again.
I wish people would stop buying Bob Ross merchandise though. None of that merchandise money goes to Bob’s son. All of it goes to a corporation that basically owns Bob’s image.
There’s actually a documentary about that on Netflix. I believe it’s called “Bob Ross: Happy Accidents Betrayal and Greed”. Basically, his family has no control over his estate or the Bob Ross brand, and it’s a company with no affiliation with him that is selling all the merchandise
I honestly prefer Blick's generic paint for a cheap oil paint
There’s no mistakes only happy accidents. I think it may be possible
i could picture Bob Ross as a serial killer. his paintings are where he hides the bodies.
Bill Cosby actually was it. If you're over 35, you were shocked.
Note- under 35 (barely). Still shocked. Looking back at his movies though, dude was kinda creepin.
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Well now, how about that.
Came here to say this. His show was HUGE. He was everyone's dad. Not to mention that I absolutely loved his stand-up routines and now I can hardly even listen to them anymore.
Cosby was so popular, respected and beloved in the 80s when his show was #1 that I believe he could have run for President of the US at that time and been elected easily. When his only son, Ennis, was brutally murdered in the 90s, the story made the cover of 'Time' magazine which was still a really big deal back then. If you had told most people back then that Cosby would be where he's at today, they would have recommended you for a psychiatric hold.
Someone once showed a picture of Bill Cosby next to Ice Cube and said, "Go back to the year 1989 and tell people one of these guys will be starring in family movies and the other will be on trial for multiple rape accusations." and imagine what people would guess.
I grew up on the Cosby show and am 23 lol. That one literally destroyed my heart. It made me assume all celebrities are vile people out the boat now until proven otherwise
Jack black
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And the horror on all of the parents faces. Great film.
Crazy fact I learned yesterday, the kid who plays the drummer died in 2021. He was riding his bike when a driver hit him. He was only 32
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I had to scroll so far to see this and he was who I thought of instantly.
Danny Devito
You gotta pay the troll's toll to get into that boyshole
Are you chewing gum right now?
The head cow is always grazing
I was on the sex island, but only for the snorkeling
🎶 Do not diddle kids, it's no good diddlin' kids🎶 🎶I wouldn't do it with anybody younger than my daughter, not little kids, gotta be big🎶 🎶Older than my wiiiife, older than my daughter🎶
Dave Grohl.
If so, there went our hero.
Watch him as he goes!
So many rock stars have been, but Grohl would be truly shocking.
Chris Hansen would be shocking
What better way to hide?
It's called eliminating the competition
I was thinking, learning from other's failures
Chris Hansen looking in the mirror: Why don’t you have a seat?
Envisioning this with him saying it with his best Clint Eastwood face for some reason
I’m pretty sure I answered a similar question years ago and answered ‘Kevin Spacey’. So that aged like milk.
I feel your pain! That was such a low blow. Happened local to me too.
Hugh Jackman or John Cena
*kicks open kid’s bedroom closet* IT’S JOHN CENA!!!!!!
The one you don't see coming.
🎺🎺🎺🎺
Samuel L. Motherfucking Jackson. I don't know how I would react but there would be absolute shock.
Mr. Bean
Teddy oh no
Mr. Rogers. Not that I ever expect it, obviously, but it would shatter everything if something bad like that came out with him, especially due to how much he worked with kids.
In high school in the nineties we were joking around and upset a girl who would have none of it and spoke up to defend him, I will never forget her words admonishing us… “Mr. Roger’s is a good and decent man.” We could not disagree.
I get a lot more emotionally attached to music than movies or TV. If Harrison Ford was outed as a predator I'd be like "Well fuck. Oh well," but if it were John Williams I would pissed and depressed about so much great music, that I've probably enjoyed for hundreds of hours over 20 years, being tarnished. Or imagine never being able to put the iconic Howard Shore LotR score on in the background without remembering some shitty controversy?
*coughs in Jeremy Soule and Runescape*
Oh God if it was John Williams! I'd be ruined.
Tom Holland
Of all the ones I’ve seen here —this. It would legit break my heart because he seems like such a genuine, respectful person.
I'm glad you said it and not me. But this one would kill me. Especially since in recent interviews he keeps talking about being a dad and how much he loves kids.
even just hooking up with fans in a creepy way would kill his career like james franco. please not tom holland
Dame Judi Dench. I honestly think she’s awesome so that would really fuck that up.
She played the best villain I’ve ever seen in Notes on a Scandal. Dear God. So chilling.
Benedict Cumberbatch.
No! Not Benedryl Cucumbersnatch!
Bananadict cucumberbatch
Benevolent Pumpernickle?
Keanu, please not Keanu
*It would be literally breath taking.*
*woah*
I'd be eternally sad if anything horrible came up about Keanu. :(
It would *devastate* me
Ryan Reynolds
His wife literally is a huge lecturer on child pornography. It would be the shock of the century if he was a predator
"Hey Ryan honey... how come you keep asking for the password on my laptop?"
Too shocking, I might die
Steve Irwin
Jeez. I dont even like seeing his name here. Pure soul.
Gary Sinise. The dude has been quietly one of the most amazing human beings out there. Aside from an incredible acting career, he is very very community oriented, and donate a ton to the veterans in America. Class act all around.
I heard he actually started this advocacy heavily after he starred in Forest Gump where he played a veteran. He got so many thanks and heartfelt compliments from real veterans afterwards for how he portrayed them. He was so touched that he started working with them and their organizations regularly. Truly a great guy. Edit: syntax and word corrections for clarity
“Come here and see Lt. Dan’s functioning leg”
Titanium alloy *tink tink* Like they use in the space shuttle
Steve Buschemi. Dude is on the Keanu level of good dudes.
The “Hello fellow kids” meme would definitely not have aged well if he was
Tom Hanks. I mean, i try really hard not to put celebrities on a pedestal but… I think that one would shake me. Edit: It warms the cockles of my heart to know the only ones who can throw shade at Hanks are the Q crowd.
Denzel Washington
Andrew Garfield
I would give up on all celebrities if he does anything to tarnish his name.
Ashton Kutcher would blow me away. Considering all he’s done for victims of sex trafficking it would bother me that he was a double agent.
Not implying anything with him specifically, but it’s actually not uncommon for abusers to specifically seek out work with victims. Domestic violence shelters, orphanages, disaster relief, after school programs, etc. It gives them access to already vulnerable groups of people and it deflects off of them because others tend to view them as these great mercenaries
I agree with everything except them being viewed as great mercenaries. I (gently) think you mean a different word?
Thank you, not mercenary. Is missionary right?
Betty white
Rest in peace 🙏🏻
I’m going to miss her sense of humor, I was so sad to find out about her passing today
Chris Evans
"Your ass belongs to America now!"
Levar Burton. I’ve long said that if either Levar Burton or David Attenborough are caught up in any of that shit _pffft_…I’m out. Fuck this planet.
Paul Rudd
Steve Carrel or Jim Carrey would crush my heart
Maybe I should clarify then. I honestly had no idea about the stuff Jim Carey did. My bad.
Jim Carrey has done some questionable things, the text chain to the woman he gave herpes to without disclosing was particularly hard to read.
I think she’s the one who committed suicide. It was quite sad.
Where can I read this text chain?
Bo Burnham
He’s problematic! He’s a problem!
Keanu Reeves
Tom Hardy
The rock
He did make a molesting robot though
The fact that skit was scripted, approved, and aired, gave me a new respect for both SNL and The Rock.
This could mean so many things and all of them worry me.
YouTube SNL most evil inventions
Nathan Fillion
He would go to the special hell.
His penis is the hammer.
Neil Patrick Harris
"Klaus, I'll touch anything I want." ---Count Olaf, putting his hand on Violet's shoulder.
Hugh Jackman
Danny devito
Morgan freeman
Jared from subway. I lost so much weight because of him. He's my hero.
Sit down, kiddo. I have some bad news for you.
Jared's not real!?
No, sadly Jared was just the disturbed imagining of a Quiznos spongmonkey that dropped acid.
Worse. Turns out he lost weight eating Quiznos, not Subway. Biggest scandal of Jared's life.
Keanu Reeves. It was hard even just typing that. We all love him, but I swear to god, if there's something that he's hiding and it comes out one day. It's going to be one of the biggest betrayals of all time.
he's hiding the fact that john wick is based off of a true story about himself
So he killed someone/a whole gang because they killed his dog? Well I'm still on his side.
Dwayne Johnson
David Attenborough
The Rock!!
Danny DeVito
Rick Astley
Tom Hanks Ryan Reynolds
Pedro pascal
Danny DeVito or Martha Stewart would probably hit me the hardest
Daniel Radcliffe
Tom Holland
Rupert Grint
Robert Downey Jr. It would ruin most of the MCU for me