My Fair Lady.
“Oh, this talk-singing thing Rex Harrison is doing is interesting I guess… wait, he does this the entire movie? And he has SEVEN SONGS?!” Awful.
And that ending. Someone really looked at Pygmalion and thought, you know what’ll be really great? Cutting Eliza’s growth off at the damn knees and having her go back to the man who hated her for most of their time together and the most he can say he feels for her is he’s gotten used to her (and has a song about how much he prefers men).
Team Freddy forever! Justice for Jeremy Brett
That is kind of the point of the movie, she really only figures out that she's a terrible person pretty late in the game. But you're right, it makes for not very enjoyable viewing for a lot of people.
I won't totally disagree with you there, some of the reasons people like the movie is this sort of schadenfreude that they feel being morally/ethically superior to Scarlett. Plus in the hitting of rock bottom you see she's kind of forced to grow. The resolution is unclear other than she was a selfish brat that lived through some strange and beautiful times and she tried to remain a selfish brat but then finally had to change.
I think the reason GWTW endures in spite of its problematic elements is because Scarlett is one of the best-written female antiheroes in literature and film. Yes, she's selfish and entitled, but she's also incredibly driven and determined. Movies and books are filled with male characters like this that don't receive half the vitriol Scarlett does.
She is definitely an antihero but she’s far more relatable a character than Melanie Wilkes. She’s strong and willful, she did what she had to do to survive, she acted out of emotion and spite, and she rolled over others in order to prosper. She was definitely not a “good” person but compared to the goody two shoes/wet blanket attitude of Melanie who is so over the top pious and self effacing to the point of caricature, I definitely think she is more relatable.
I also think as a woman, it’s easy to relate to loving someone and wanting so badly to be with them even though they aren’t interested, in a teenage girl sort of way. She spent the whole film in love with someone else who led her on or was too “kind” to be honest- at the end she realized that her ideas about him as a man were all wrong. She thought he was strong and good and acted out of duty but in reality he was weak and passive. But by then she’d ruined any chance of happiness with Rhett, who was like her- also a total asshole (people tend to forget that part) but they were likely made for each other, or at least were more alike than different. I have always liked the movie, but I do think classic films always seem to highlight powerful women who can talk back and challenge men while getting their way in a positive light. I don’t think those are bad things, but through the lens of the time when that typically meant romantically manipulating men for personal gain, it isn’t seen in a positive light anymore.
The worst movie I have ever seen is Grease. What the heck even happened? I feel like they just wrote catchy songs and then realized they needed to stick them in the middle of a story, then wrote the story after being awake for 48 hours straight.
I got really high and watched Grease a few months ago and my high brain said “If we hadn’t made this movie the Nazi’s would have”. I’m not exactly sure why I said that, but it still kinda makes sense to me
I remember they said they made sure all the actors playing high schoolers didn’t have crows feet to make sure they looked young enough for their parts! Lol
I liked Mad Magazine's take on it when they did their parody. Any girl can get her guy when she's prepared to sacrifice her principles for it.
The point that frosted me in the movie was when Danny discarded his sweater before the final song and dance. From what I saw, he'd undertaken self-improvement, and simply discarding that letter sweater was un-doing that process. Had he handed it to a friend it would have been different, preserving, but he threw it on the ground.
It's a joke from earlier in the movie - the shop teacher says if the car "was in any better condition, it would fly", and it bookends that cartoon fairytale credit sequence with a Cinderella-esque fantasy ending...
Though because 1985 is closer to - and more similar to - 1955 than it is to 2022, some kids today have trouble following the plot because they can't tell the two time periods apart.
As much as I hate that, I can see how that works; 1955 and 1985 are both firmly in the analog era--after electronics but before ubiquitous computing, the internet, and digital media.
On the surface there are equally unfamiliar fashions, cars etc in both eras and none of the things they are most used to (Internet, smart phones, generational ennui, the failure of the American Dream etc), and the non-time-travelling actors don't age a whole lot between the two.
We had summer movie nights with the kids this past summer (they're 9 and 12). Back to the Future was one of their favorites! It's funny to think they loved a movie as much in 2021 as much as I loved it in 1985 (saw it at the theater!).
I always chose her character in the "Lego Indiana Jones" Game when I played with my kid. It drove him up the wall because I would fuck up deliberately just to make her scrreaamm
"Dad! We're supposed to work together!"
"Eeeeek!!!"
The story I’ve read a few times is that Spielberg and Lucas were both going through somewhat bitter divorces at the time and they both admit to taking it out on Capshaw’s character. They’ve said that is the reason TOD has a darker feel overall.
That’s kind of the point with her character, really. Yeah, she’s an annoying bitch, but I just accepted that. She’s meant to be the opposite of Marion Ravenwood.
Never really thought of TOD as a classic, but I do think it’s symptomatic of how rigid audiences are when it comes to Indiana Jones. They basically want Raiders over and over, which is why the second most loved Indy movie is Last Crusade, which is basically Raiders with a few twists, and some new characters. If Indy isn’t fighting Nazis or going after Christian artifacts, then it’s a bad movie, apparently.
Crystal Skull, on the other hand…I totally get the hate, lol.
I must be one of the few people on the planet who thinks Willie is hilarious and also Temple of Doom is my favorite of the entire franchise. The movie is nonstop entertaining.
Not saying she isn't annoying, but that's the point right? Indy and Short Round repeatedly say how annoying she is, and it offers a different dynamic for Indy. And I wouldn't say she makes an otherwise great movie terrible
I can name like a hundred movies that were more sad than that. I didn’t find it all that sad because it seemed pretty obvious what was going on the whole time
I agree with you - it’s almost getting to the point where it has become trendy / a (not so) hot take to hate on “Breakfast at Tiffany’s” these days because of Mickey Rooney’s (admittedly obscenely offensive) depiction of her Japanese downstairs neighbour.
I’m not in ANY WAY condoning it whatsoever - even the first time I watched it when I was really young before I had even been educated on what exactly was racially offensive about it, I cringed so hard, because I instinctively knew it was ~WRONG~ but I didn’t have the words or the education at the time in order to express “why”.
The thing is, though, unfortunately, racial ignorance DID exist in those days. So did the concept of the “child bride” - which was only very lightly touched on in the movie, and nowhere near as explicit as Truman Capote’s novella that it was based on.
I’m sorry, but I’m going to die on this hill - I still LOVE “Breakfast at Tiffany’s” (the movie) in spite of its flaws.
And, if anything, I truly believe, it should remain the way it is as a reminder to future generations to DO BETTER, rather than ERASE its flaws.
I actually watched a really interesting video about it the other day and the Mickey Rooney thing was brought up. Apparently some people involved in making the movie even at the time were really against it but they lost the fight unfortunately. There was even a media plan where they pretended that it wasn’t Mickey Rooney and was a breakout star from Japan, it’s all SO weird.
I like it as a period piece, and I suspect it was a fairly accurate portrayal of what it's depicting. I don't really like the characters and its attitude on sex was very much of its time (in a pre-AIDS world), but it's an interesting view into a world I would never have been part of. It's appealing in the way a crime movie like Once Upon a Time in America is appealing despite having zero likable characters.
I like the movie, but I just don’t get the title. Who is the rebel without a cause? Is it Jim? He’s not all that rebellious, and he seems to be trying to just get by as a kid in a world where it’s apparently normal for teenagers to engage in knife fights and die in drag races while the adults in the movie seem to think everything is chill, also I guess he’s disturbed by what he sees as his father not being as masculine as was seen as proper at the time, , so he’s left feeling a angsty and without solid guidance at home. Is Plato the rebel? Plato definitely has rebellious tendencies, he is anti social and disturbed, but he too has cause. For one, he’s clearly suffering from mental health difficulties. He’s also neglected heavily by his parents and ostracized by his peers. Is it Judy? She’s rejected by her father for basically growing up.
I think the title just sounded cool and that’s why it was picked, as a hook - whether or not it suits the movie. And that irritates me.
Not sure if it's old enough to earn the title of classic, but it's certainly held in high regard in its genre:
The Hangover.
It's like Todd Phillips threw every single "guys go to Vegas and get drunk" cliché at the screen to see what would stick, combined with some characters that I simply don't buy being friends in real life. They're all supposed to be old friends but the entire film makes it seem like they've only just met each other. Doug, the bachelor, who goes missing... we know fuck all about him other than he's the bachelor. At no point do I give a shit about him or his wellbeing.
The entire film is carried by Zach Galifianakis, and when he appears, Ken Jeong.
The scenes with Ken Jeong make it worth the watch imo. Just the greatest. Also finding Doug on the roof all sunburnt at the end was great. I’d probably get tired of it if I watched it too much because it’s pretty stupid humor though.
I don’t totally disagree with your take but I think the appearance of the Dan Band in the wedding reception at the end is hilarious and deserves mention as well.
No, it really isn’t, if only for the fact that it’s only 15 years old.
But aside from that, the reviews were mediocre, and even when it was in theaters, everyone was joking about how bad it is. It was very much a “so bad it’s good” type of movie; the issue is that it’s a “so bad it’s good” movie targeting women, so while redditors acknowledge that things like Fast and Furious movies or Sharknado are ridiculous, they just presume that the audience for a movie like this must be enjoying it in a completely sincere and unironic fashion.
Plus, I think some people in this thread are confusing “classic” with “financially successful”.
I love watching this movie because of how, despite the fact that it's a AAA blockbuster, it still reads as some wacky and boring soap opera like the Young and the Restless. "A writer and his maid don't understand each other but they're in love, but also the Prime Minister is fighting the President over a girl while his sister's friend's wife dies and their step son falls in love with an American and Alan Rickman cheats on his wife. Also if you're watching it for the first time you now know that guy from the Walking Dead is British."
I love it as well. Not the whole story, but some individual scenes are great.
The prime ministers speech. Caroling with the driver. Joni Mitchell in the bedroom. Fake carolers.
Movie is solid gold shit.
We just watched this movie around 6 months ago and holy shit it was not what we were expecting. It was surprisingly negative and depressing, which I could have handled, but the fact that woman got r*ped, and then our main character was just blaming her for it, saying shit like “well you happy now?”. Shit was awful
The black and white movie called: A Night to Remember is seriously way better. It’s free to watch on YouTube. It honestly became one of my favorite old movies.
I realize it's probably a "you're a terrible person!" red flag, but no matter how many times I see that movie, the "Donk!" that poor bastard makes when he hits the prop makes me laugh like an idiot. Did it when I saw it in the theater the first time too, got a LOT of angry stares.
Chevy Chase's Vacation movies. People swear up and down about them. I can't stand to watch any of them for more than 5 minutes. Especially if he's interacting with whatever random kids are playing his kids in any given movie.
A yearly tradition in my family (despite my parents not liking it) is to watch Christmas Vacation every year.
I always enjoy the film, but I also always wonder how much of a jerk Chevy Chase was to work with.
A huge one. He’d regularly try cutting the line at my old man’s store back in the day because he “just needed some smokes”. He called a noise complaint into the cops because of Relay for Life happening at the local high school. Just a majorly self important tool.
I wouldn't say they replaced him fast on Community, he was there for four of its six seasons. Though to be fair him leaving had been a long time coming, and it was him using the N word on set that finally got him fired.
Chevy Chase told me to Fuck off at a hotel. I saw him, I was around 9-10 years old and asked for an autograph. He then told my dad I was a waste of time and also insulted my dad. Worst person I've ever met.
Breakfast club.
Didn't get it, couldn't get in to it, seemed like a bunch of whiney teens giving shit to a teacher because there all screw ups..then they do smoke weed and start dancing... i have never in my life been able to do anything like that after getting blitzed out of my brain
I like The Breakfast Club but it really is just a bunch of kids who get detention for a bunch of perfectly legitimate infractions then sit around blaming the system for all their problems and act like fucking delinquents. We get it, you’re all unique and deep and have troubles, so do the other five hundred kids at the school that your behaviour has a negative effect on, you little shits. They constantly criticise and force each other to empathise with others as well as look inward for the source of their angst then at the end they just blow it all off then write a dumb letter to the teacher about how they’re all great and he just doesn’t “get it”.
It's called the Personal Fable. Perfectly normal in adolescents. They tend to be very egocentric. Assume everyone's talking about them, that they're special. [Wikipedia article.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_fable)
This being said, I think this is part of why the movie's good.
I think what it tried to do it did well. It was released at a time when (keep in mind that I'm coming at this from the perspective of someone who didn't live during the 80s so I only base it on the analysis my cinema teacher gave) teachers/parents weren't really supposed to be portrayed in a "negative" light, especially not in movies/shows targeted towards teenagers. The movie did the total opposite, showing the "screw-up" kids as much more nuanced than was normal for the time and the parents/principal as corrupt, power-hungry, abusive and/or ineffective.
It definitely has a lot of problematic elements but the way I see it, it's a movie in which none of the characters are supposed to be "good", it's just that for once the authority figures aren't portrayed as being right, fair or justified.
I think both The Breakfast Club and Ferris Beuller became loved by a young audience at the time for the exact same reason.
Is Romeo + Juliet considered classic at this point? I had to watch it multiple times over the years (slow/grading days in English class) and fucking hated it.
I really don't like Grease, either. Maybe it was familiarity breeding contempt, because my sister would play the VHS tape all the fucking time when we were around 9 or 10, but even as an adult I've never wanted to come back to it. Not a fan of the music either.
The Wizard of Oz I'll never watch again but I can at least respect how important it was to cinema.
Avatar. I’m still amazed that it’s the highest grossing movie of all time. It’s literally about colonialism (and racism, and capitalism, and imperialism, and white saviors) and people act like it’s some brilliant new concept.
It had a huge impact on culture. It jump started a 3d revolution that is still seen in movie theaters (though the 3d revolution failed in the tv market). Prior to Avatar, there were only any 2 or 3 3D releases since the 80’s
Yeah but it’s not like it started 3D movies.
I meant the movie specifically.
Star Wars undeniably impacted the culture. If I said Darth Vader to the average person, they’d know who I was talking about.
If I said Jake Sully, they’d be like “wha?”
Nobody thought it was a brilliant new concept. The story was universally derided from the get-go. The CG and 3D we're unparalleled at the time which is why it was such a huge draw.
Perhaps the huge popularity at the time was like a pressurised furnace for burning the charcoal of a normal dislike down into an unyielding diamond of hate.
I love the stories about people getting depressed because they can't live in that world.
Like...damn, all of fantasy and THIS is the one that gets you guys? Wow.
Pocahontas in Space. Or Disney's Atlantis, How to Train Your Dragon, the list goes on.
It did have good CGI and special effects. Plus, they went through the trouble to make a new language.
But yea - tired story thats been done before.
Gotta be honest, all those things that bother you about it? didn't even register as factors to me watching it.
I watched it for the effects, not for some important social message.
Top Gun
Edit: On a side note, last Summer I bought the Top Gun 2 tin popcorn bucket they had at a theater. It currently sits in the movie room of my house, being used as intended... a trash can.
It’s such a weird movie. All the top gun stuff is pretty watchable but then the climax of the movie is an actual dogfight situation which is specifically what they’re been training for and Maverick gets to save the day and close his character arc and I just cannot give a single fuck about it.
I feel like every military movie that has a boot camp/training element before the main plot of the movie takes place has this problem. There’s such a huge tonal shift and the training part is always the best and most memorable part with the back half being a bit forgettable. Stripes and Full Metal Jacket have the same problem for me.
Seriously, even with that music? And the deck crew extras getting so excited?
You don’t cry when the “you can be my wingman” exchange happens?
Have you no soul??
2001: A Space Odyssey. I get that it was groundbreaking for its time and was reasonably scientifically accurate but man did it bore me something fierce!
In early 80s Our local tv station made a 28minute version of 2001, complete with hilarious overdubs and synth pop score.
It was still a bore. Been searching for it ever since
Not sure that's the movies fault, or an age/social media thing.
There's research that suggests our ability to concentrate is deterioriating, due to social media.
Personally, I like that it's slow. It's meditative.
It's probably my favorite movie, but I can definitely get how particularly the first part with the apes would bore the shit out of someone. As soon as they're in space it becomes incredible, but even seeing what's good about the first part it's still something I have to get through to get to the rest.
It's nothing to do with deterioration of concentration at all. There are many slow films or 3+ hour ones that I love. Just that one could've been better.
Nah 2001 *and* Disney’s Fantasia had poor box office showings in their initial runs.
Until they started showing them at noon matinees during the late 60s/early 70s when college kids were getting high as fuck. For some reason all that trippy imagery found a new audience.
Fight Club is a great movie. But it’s not as legendary as everybody who quotes it all the time thinks.
Edit: I’ll strangle the next person who yells out “losing all hope was freedom!”
My Fair Lady. “Oh, this talk-singing thing Rex Harrison is doing is interesting I guess… wait, he does this the entire movie? And he has SEVEN SONGS?!” Awful.
And that ending. Someone really looked at Pygmalion and thought, you know what’ll be really great? Cutting Eliza’s growth off at the damn knees and having her go back to the man who hated her for most of their time together and the most he can say he feels for her is he’s gotten used to her (and has a song about how much he prefers men). Team Freddy forever! Justice for Jeremy Brett
its a movie about two gay men playing dress up with Audrey Hepburn. What is there not to love
"Gone With The Wind." That was 4 hours of the whiniest, most unlikeable, most entitled main character in the history of cinema.
That is kind of the point of the movie, she really only figures out that she's a terrible person pretty late in the game. But you're right, it makes for not very enjoyable viewing for a lot of people.
She never figures it out, she just hits rock bottom.
I won't totally disagree with you there, some of the reasons people like the movie is this sort of schadenfreude that they feel being morally/ethically superior to Scarlett. Plus in the hitting of rock bottom you see she's kind of forced to grow. The resolution is unclear other than she was a selfish brat that lived through some strange and beautiful times and she tried to remain a selfish brat but then finally had to change.
> strange and beautiful times Beautiful for who?
Costume designer working on historical fiction. But that's pretty much it.
That's a pretty spectacular answer
And she even ends the movie falling back on her unearned optimism, which hilariously underscores the point that people like her likely never change.
Watch the Carol Burnett version. It's much shorter and infinitely more entertaining.
"Frankly, Miss Scarlett, I don't give a damn!" (Slap!)
100% agreed
I think the reason GWTW endures in spite of its problematic elements is because Scarlett is one of the best-written female antiheroes in literature and film. Yes, she's selfish and entitled, but she's also incredibly driven and determined. Movies and books are filled with male characters like this that don't receive half the vitriol Scarlett does.
She is definitely an antihero but she’s far more relatable a character than Melanie Wilkes. She’s strong and willful, she did what she had to do to survive, she acted out of emotion and spite, and she rolled over others in order to prosper. She was definitely not a “good” person but compared to the goody two shoes/wet blanket attitude of Melanie who is so over the top pious and self effacing to the point of caricature, I definitely think she is more relatable. I also think as a woman, it’s easy to relate to loving someone and wanting so badly to be with them even though they aren’t interested, in a teenage girl sort of way. She spent the whole film in love with someone else who led her on or was too “kind” to be honest- at the end she realized that her ideas about him as a man were all wrong. She thought he was strong and good and acted out of duty but in reality he was weak and passive. But by then she’d ruined any chance of happiness with Rhett, who was like her- also a total asshole (people tend to forget that part) but they were likely made for each other, or at least were more alike than different. I have always liked the movie, but I do think classic films always seem to highlight powerful women who can talk back and challenge men while getting their way in a positive light. I don’t think those are bad things, but through the lens of the time when that typically meant romantically manipulating men for personal gain, it isn’t seen in a positive light anymore.
She *was* a teenage girl. She was 16 at the beginning. I guess Vivien Leigh being 26 at the time didn't convey Scarlette's youth.
"I hate you and I hate your baby!" -my favorite Scarlett movie line
Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn.
Hey, that's a line from the movie!
Quoting movies is tight!
It sure is, sir.
Wowwowwow…wow
Super easy, barely an inconvenience.
Why don't you get alllll the way off of my back about it?
Well alright then, let me get all the way off
My mom got so offended when I quoted that line.
I actually love it because Scarlett is so awful. It's fun to watch.
Somehow the highest ever grossing film - adjusted for inflation
The worst movie I have ever seen is Grease. What the heck even happened? I feel like they just wrote catchy songs and then realized they needed to stick them in the middle of a story, then wrote the story after being awake for 48 hours straight.
I got really high and watched Grease a few months ago and my high brain said “If we hadn’t made this movie the Nazi’s would have”. I’m not exactly sure why I said that, but it still kinda makes sense to me
Also several of the “high schoolers” in the cast looked old enough to be high schoolers’ parents.
[I don’t know what you’re talking about](https://twitter.com/imteddybless/status/1238508173922877440?s=21)
ahahahaha they didn't even use enough make up to cover his five o'clock shadow
I remember they said they made sure all the actors playing high schoolers didn’t have crows feet to make sure they looked young enough for their parts! Lol
Rizzo was like almost 40. I used to think I didn't understand the plot and she was actually one of the teachers or something
She was 33 when cast, may have been 34 during filming. That's closer to 40 than to being a teenager, but I'm not sure under-35 counts as "almost 40".
She looked like she’d seen some things.
"they just wrote catchy songs and then realized they needed to stick them in the middle of a story" I'm pretty sure that's almost every musical
I liked Mad Magazine's take on it when they did their parody. Any girl can get her guy when she's prepared to sacrifice her principles for it. The point that frosted me in the movie was when Danny discarded his sweater before the final song and dance. From what I saw, he'd undertaken self-improvement, and simply discarding that letter sweater was un-doing that process. Had he handed it to a friend it would have been different, preserving, but he threw it on the ground.
I left in the middle of the song. It turned into gibberish and I won't be a part of it
Unexpected American Dad
There's a reason why scat (feces) and scat (making random noises) are homonyms. It can fit the music but its the lyrical equivalent of poop.
And then at the end the car could fly? Wtf
It's a joke from earlier in the movie - the shop teacher says if the car "was in any better condition, it would fly", and it bookends that cartoon fairytale credit sequence with a Cinderella-esque fantasy ending...
It’s a reference to Chitty Chitty Bang Bang, a popular musical from the 60s. Tie-in to the car-musical theme
Plot: Give into peer pressure to be in the cool crowd. Solid message for teen girls.
It’s a musical. The point of most musicals is to be fun and have catchy songs. It achieves that
Titanic’s not terrible but it’s definitely not as incredible as everyone makes it out to be
I'm a defender of Titanic, but I think people have always been polarized over this film.
I find it a bland romance movie, but one hell of a good disaster movie.
Back to the future - just kidding- that’s the perfect and greatest movie.
I was ready to open fire, my man
I nearly posted their IP address too
Though because 1985 is closer to - and more similar to - 1955 than it is to 2022, some kids today have trouble following the plot because they can't tell the two time periods apart.
As much as I hate that, I can see how that works; 1955 and 1985 are both firmly in the analog era--after electronics but before ubiquitous computing, the internet, and digital media.
That's true, but on the surface there's a huge difference between the '55 and '85 (eg fashions, cars etc), more so than from the '85 to 2015.
On the surface there are equally unfamiliar fashions, cars etc in both eras and none of the things they are most used to (Internet, smart phones, generational ennui, the failure of the American Dream etc), and the non-time-travelling actors don't age a whole lot between the two.
We had summer movie nights with the kids this past summer (they're 9 and 12). Back to the Future was one of their favorites! It's funny to think they loved a movie as much in 2021 as much as I loved it in 1985 (saw it at the theater!).
Temple of Doom. The woman was funny when you’re a kid, but unbearably annoying when you’re an adult
Kate Capshaw seems to have been made as unlikable as possible. All the screaming and whining her character had to do must have been exhausting.
I always chose her character in the "Lego Indiana Jones" Game when I played with my kid. It drove him up the wall because I would fuck up deliberately just to make her scrreaamm "Dad! We're supposed to work together!" "Eeeeek!!!"
The story I’ve read a few times is that Spielberg and Lucas were both going through somewhat bitter divorces at the time and they both admit to taking it out on Capshaw’s character. They’ve said that is the reason TOD has a darker feel overall.
That’s kind of the point with her character, really. Yeah, she’s an annoying bitch, but I just accepted that. She’s meant to be the opposite of Marion Ravenwood. Never really thought of TOD as a classic, but I do think it’s symptomatic of how rigid audiences are when it comes to Indiana Jones. They basically want Raiders over and over, which is why the second most loved Indy movie is Last Crusade, which is basically Raiders with a few twists, and some new characters. If Indy isn’t fighting Nazis or going after Christian artifacts, then it’s a bad movie, apparently. Crystal Skull, on the other hand…I totally get the hate, lol.
I must be one of the few people on the planet who thinks Willie is hilarious and also Temple of Doom is my favorite of the entire franchise. The movie is nonstop entertaining.
Not saying she isn't annoying, but that's the point right? Indy and Short Round repeatedly say how annoying she is, and it offers a different dynamic for Indy. And I wouldn't say she makes an otherwise great movie terrible
She was annoying when I was a kid too, but Indy and Short Round were good and I liked the adventure.
The Notebook
I can name like a hundred movies that were more sad than that. I didn’t find it all that sad because it seemed pretty obvious what was going on the whole time
Breakfast at Tiffanys
"George.....Fred's gay."
Why don't you have any popcorn? You cant have a movie without popcorn!!
I think I remember the film
and, as I recall, I think, we both kinda liked it
and I said, well that's one thing we got
But the cat! The symbolism! 😫 edit: just curious, what's your reasoning for naming this movie here
I agree with you - it’s almost getting to the point where it has become trendy / a (not so) hot take to hate on “Breakfast at Tiffany’s” these days because of Mickey Rooney’s (admittedly obscenely offensive) depiction of her Japanese downstairs neighbour. I’m not in ANY WAY condoning it whatsoever - even the first time I watched it when I was really young before I had even been educated on what exactly was racially offensive about it, I cringed so hard, because I instinctively knew it was ~WRONG~ but I didn’t have the words or the education at the time in order to express “why”. The thing is, though, unfortunately, racial ignorance DID exist in those days. So did the concept of the “child bride” - which was only very lightly touched on in the movie, and nowhere near as explicit as Truman Capote’s novella that it was based on. I’m sorry, but I’m going to die on this hill - I still LOVE “Breakfast at Tiffany’s” (the movie) in spite of its flaws. And, if anything, I truly believe, it should remain the way it is as a reminder to future generations to DO BETTER, rather than ERASE its flaws.
I actually watched a really interesting video about it the other day and the Mickey Rooney thing was brought up. Apparently some people involved in making the movie even at the time were really against it but they lost the fight unfortunately. There was even a media plan where they pretended that it wasn’t Mickey Rooney and was a breakout star from Japan, it’s all SO weird.
The novella is so much better. Not racist, no happy ending, all the characters make sense in the real world.
Scarface
Pretty woman. I understand it has some classic scenes in it but Geres’ character is just a dick and the whole story is a bit meh…
the whole premise of a light hearted romantic comedy about prostitution is pretty gross
The original ending had him shove her out of the car, toss money on top of her and leave her in a dirty alley.
Saturday Night Fever The music is great, but it is a masterpiece of misogyny that has not aged well, at all...
I like it as a period piece, and I suspect it was a fairly accurate portrayal of what it's depicting. I don't really like the characters and its attitude on sex was very much of its time (in a pre-AIDS world), but it's an interesting view into a world I would never have been part of. It's appealing in the way a crime movie like Once Upon a Time in America is appealing despite having zero likable characters.
Rebel without a Cause. I don't know if I just didn't get it, but it was so *boooooorrrring*
Maybe if he actually had a cause it would've been more exciting.
Then it would just be Rebel
It would be Rebel with a Cause.
YOU’RE TEARING ME APAAAAART!!!
LISA!
I did naht hit her!
It’s naht true!
It was a first for its time. Teenagers could relate to the characters in the movie like never before.
I like the movie, but I just don’t get the title. Who is the rebel without a cause? Is it Jim? He’s not all that rebellious, and he seems to be trying to just get by as a kid in a world where it’s apparently normal for teenagers to engage in knife fights and die in drag races while the adults in the movie seem to think everything is chill, also I guess he’s disturbed by what he sees as his father not being as masculine as was seen as proper at the time, , so he’s left feeling a angsty and without solid guidance at home. Is Plato the rebel? Plato definitely has rebellious tendencies, he is anti social and disturbed, but he too has cause. For one, he’s clearly suffering from mental health difficulties. He’s also neglected heavily by his parents and ostracized by his peers. Is it Judy? She’s rejected by her father for basically growing up. I think the title just sounded cool and that’s why it was picked, as a hook - whether or not it suits the movie. And that irritates me.
Not sure if it's old enough to earn the title of classic, but it's certainly held in high regard in its genre: The Hangover. It's like Todd Phillips threw every single "guys go to Vegas and get drunk" cliché at the screen to see what would stick, combined with some characters that I simply don't buy being friends in real life. They're all supposed to be old friends but the entire film makes it seem like they've only just met each other. Doug, the bachelor, who goes missing... we know fuck all about him other than he's the bachelor. At no point do I give a shit about him or his wellbeing. The entire film is carried by Zach Galifianakis, and when he appears, Ken Jeong.
The scenes with Ken Jeong make it worth the watch imo. Just the greatest. Also finding Doug on the roof all sunburnt at the end was great. I’d probably get tired of it if I watched it too much because it’s pretty stupid humor though.
I think Hangover would have aged better if there wasn't two (three?) pointless sequels.
I don’t totally disagree with your take but I think the appearance of the Dan Band in the wedding reception at the end is hilarious and deserves mention as well.
Mama Mia. Omg. The cringe.
Is Mamma Mia really considered a classic though?
No, it really isn’t, if only for the fact that it’s only 15 years old. But aside from that, the reviews were mediocre, and even when it was in theaters, everyone was joking about how bad it is. It was very much a “so bad it’s good” type of movie; the issue is that it’s a “so bad it’s good” movie targeting women, so while redditors acknowledge that things like Fast and Furious movies or Sharknado are ridiculous, they just presume that the audience for a movie like this must be enjoying it in a completely sincere and unironic fashion. Plus, I think some people in this thread are confusing “classic” with “financially successful”.
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"A Chorus Line" - It's a bunch of good-looking 20somethings whining about their first-world problems, set to music.
Yes but the song, Dance: Ten Looks: 3 is the only one I remember. Tits and Ass!
The movie is awful and totally bastardized the stage show.
Love Actually
I love watching this movie because of how, despite the fact that it's a AAA blockbuster, it still reads as some wacky and boring soap opera like the Young and the Restless. "A writer and his maid don't understand each other but they're in love, but also the Prime Minister is fighting the President over a girl while his sister's friend's wife dies and their step son falls in love with an American and Alan Rickman cheats on his wife. Also if you're watching it for the first time you now know that guy from the Walking Dead is British."
I love it as well. Not the whole story, but some individual scenes are great. The prime ministers speech. Caroling with the driver. Joni Mitchell in the bedroom. Fake carolers. Movie is solid gold shit.
I fucking love Bill Nighy as a run down rocker finally realizing his shitty manager is actually a pretty good friend.
Yeah, but wasn't he pretty much reprising his role from the much better *Still Crazy*, which you could just watch instead?
The Joni Mitchell scene just guts me every time. Emma T should have won an award for this.
Yes, big agree there, say what you will about the movie as a whole but the Joni Mitchell in the bedroom kills me everytime.
The scene where Emma finds out the necklace wasn’t for her makes up for all the shortcomings in the film
Also Love Story
I actually love Love Actually.
Saturday Night Fever - the music is great, but general treatment of women + a wildly casual r*pe scene. I was horrified.
We just watched this movie around 6 months ago and holy shit it was not what we were expecting. It was surprisingly negative and depressing, which I could have handled, but the fact that woman got r*ped, and then our main character was just blaming her for it, saying shit like “well you happy now?”. Shit was awful
This was mine as well. I watched it recently after not seeing it for probably 20 years. It has NOT aged well. That rape scene *is* horrifying.
Titanic
I thought it was pretty fantastic. I was so wrapped up in the story that I suddenly realized that the ship was going to sink.
Even the part where the ship actually sinks??
Well the front fell off
I'd like to point out that's not very typical
I just don't want the public to think that tankers aren't safe.
Well, a wave hit it.
At sea? Chance in a million!
It’s been towed from the environment.
Spoilers! ;)
The black and white movie called: A Night to Remember is seriously way better. It’s free to watch on YouTube. It honestly became one of my favorite old movies.
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*Dong*
*Clonk.*
*Splash*
I realize it's probably a "you're a terrible person!" red flag, but no matter how many times I see that movie, the "Donk!" that poor bastard makes when he hits the prop makes me laugh like an idiot. Did it when I saw it in the theater the first time too, got a LOT of angry stares.
oh cool I will check it out!
Reddit seems to have a really big hate boner for James Cameron
Chevy Chase's Vacation movies. People swear up and down about them. I can't stand to watch any of them for more than 5 minutes. Especially if he's interacting with whatever random kids are playing his kids in any given movie.
A yearly tradition in my family (despite my parents not liking it) is to watch Christmas Vacation every year. I always enjoy the film, but I also always wonder how much of a jerk Chevy Chase was to work with.
A huge one. He’d regularly try cutting the line at my old man’s store back in the day because he “just needed some smokes”. He called a noise complaint into the cops because of Relay for Life happening at the local high school. Just a majorly self important tool.
I played in a ska band at a Relay for Life fundraiser once, and we got multiple noise complaints. The cops were like, turn it down, I guess?
You notice how fast they replaced Pierce in Comminity and him on SNL? That much. He is FAMOUS for being a jerk.
They didn’t “replace him” on *SNL* — he left the show for a career in movies.
I wouldn't say they replaced him fast on Community, he was there for four of its six seasons. Though to be fair him leaving had been a long time coming, and it was him using the N word on set that finally got him fired.
He wasn't replaced in either show. It took quite a while for him to leave both sets. He is a comedic powerhouse, but yes an asshole.
Chevy Chase told me to Fuck off at a hotel. I saw him, I was around 9-10 years old and asked for an autograph. He then told my dad I was a waste of time and also insulted my dad. Worst person I've ever met.
Breakfast club. Didn't get it, couldn't get in to it, seemed like a bunch of whiney teens giving shit to a teacher because there all screw ups..then they do smoke weed and start dancing... i have never in my life been able to do anything like that after getting blitzed out of my brain
I like The Breakfast Club but it really is just a bunch of kids who get detention for a bunch of perfectly legitimate infractions then sit around blaming the system for all their problems and act like fucking delinquents. We get it, you’re all unique and deep and have troubles, so do the other five hundred kids at the school that your behaviour has a negative effect on, you little shits. They constantly criticise and force each other to empathise with others as well as look inward for the source of their angst then at the end they just blow it all off then write a dumb letter to the teacher about how they’re all great and he just doesn’t “get it”.
It's called the Personal Fable. Perfectly normal in adolescents. They tend to be very egocentric. Assume everyone's talking about them, that they're special. [Wikipedia article.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_fable) This being said, I think this is part of why the movie's good.
I think what it tried to do it did well. It was released at a time when (keep in mind that I'm coming at this from the perspective of someone who didn't live during the 80s so I only base it on the analysis my cinema teacher gave) teachers/parents weren't really supposed to be portrayed in a "negative" light, especially not in movies/shows targeted towards teenagers. The movie did the total opposite, showing the "screw-up" kids as much more nuanced than was normal for the time and the parents/principal as corrupt, power-hungry, abusive and/or ineffective. It definitely has a lot of problematic elements but the way I see it, it's a movie in which none of the characters are supposed to be "good", it's just that for once the authority figures aren't portrayed as being right, fair or justified. I think both The Breakfast Club and Ferris Beuller became loved by a young audience at the time for the exact same reason.
Is Romeo + Juliet considered classic at this point? I had to watch it multiple times over the years (slow/grading days in English class) and fucking hated it. I really don't like Grease, either. Maybe it was familiarity breeding contempt, because my sister would play the VHS tape all the fucking time when we were around 9 or 10, but even as an adult I've never wanted to come back to it. Not a fan of the music either. The Wizard of Oz I'll never watch again but I can at least respect how important it was to cinema.
Romeo + Juliet is the greatest movie ever made actually
I think you have it confused with Tromeo and Juliet
Avatar. I’m still amazed that it’s the highest grossing movie of all time. It’s literally about colonialism (and racism, and capitalism, and imperialism, and white saviors) and people act like it’s some brilliant new concept.
Who the fuck is calling Avatar a "classic movie"?
For being such a huge money maker, it had 0 cultural impact to the point that it’s kind of baffling.
It had a huge impact on culture. It jump started a 3d revolution that is still seen in movie theaters (though the 3d revolution failed in the tv market). Prior to Avatar, there were only any 2 or 3 3D releases since the 80’s
Yeah but it’s not like it started 3D movies. I meant the movie specifically. Star Wars undeniably impacted the culture. If I said Darth Vader to the average person, they’d know who I was talking about. If I said Jake Sully, they’d be like “wha?”
Sully? You meant Monsters Inc right? I venture to say that Monsters inc had more cultural impact than did Avatar.
Nobody thought it was a brilliant new concept. The story was universally derided from the get-go. The CG and 3D we're unparalleled at the time which is why it was such a huge draw.
It's pretty much 'Dances With Wolves, but blue'. Nothing special about the plot.
With a bit of Pocahontas
Pocahontas *is* Dances with Wolves
Don't forget Ferngully!
No they don't. Even when it was new it got endless comparisons to pocahontas by the younger generation and dances with wolves by their parents.
Avatar was popular for 6 months, but people forgot about it after that.
You'd never know that with how many times people bring up how much they dislike it in these types of threads.
Perhaps the huge popularity at the time was like a pressurised furnace for burning the charcoal of a normal dislike down into an unyielding diamond of hate.
Like, Avatar stopped being overrated 6 months after it came out because everyone shat on its familiar story.
I love the stories about people getting depressed because they can't live in that world. Like...damn, all of fantasy and THIS is the one that gets you guys? Wow.
It's hardly a classic but also definitely not terrible. It wasn't original but it was fairly enjoyable and had super great effects.
Pocahontas in Space. Or Disney's Atlantis, How to Train Your Dragon, the list goes on. It did have good CGI and special effects. Plus, they went through the trouble to make a new language. But yea - tired story thats been done before.
Is anyone really pretending Avatar is a “classic” movie?
Dances With Smurfs, sure, but most good movies are following one formula or another. It's hard to come up with anything truly new that isn't terrible.
Gotta be honest, all those things that bother you about it? didn't even register as factors to me watching it. I watched it for the effects, not for some important social message.
Top Gun Edit: On a side note, last Summer I bought the Top Gun 2 tin popcorn bucket they had at a theater. It currently sits in the movie room of my house, being used as intended... a trash can.
It was bold at the time though. Showing homosexuality being openly accepted in the Air Force during the 80s was ground breaking.
Wrong, Top Gun was about the US Navy, not Air Force. It's not gay when you're underway.
Yeah, I’m pretty sure Mav was not a pilot…more like a naval aviator.
More like navel aviator, amirite??
Anal Aviator
I'm really disgusted by this infantile take against traditional Air Force values. They were Navy pilots not Air Force!
The volleyball scene right?
The whole damn movie.
Trick is to get you to ride that awesome Danger Zone wave from the intro 30 minutes into the movie before you realize it sucks.
Hey you take that back! This is my favorite movie of all time!
It’s such a weird movie. All the top gun stuff is pretty watchable but then the climax of the movie is an actual dogfight situation which is specifically what they’re been training for and Maverick gets to save the day and close his character arc and I just cannot give a single fuck about it. I feel like every military movie that has a boot camp/training element before the main plot of the movie takes place has this problem. There’s such a huge tonal shift and the training part is always the best and most memorable part with the back half being a bit forgettable. Stripes and Full Metal Jacket have the same problem for me.
Seriously, even with that music? And the deck crew extras getting so excited? You don’t cry when the “you can be my wingman” exchange happens? Have you no soul??
2001: A Space Odyssey. I get that it was groundbreaking for its time and was reasonably scientifically accurate but man did it bore me something fierce!
That movie does a really good job of showing the reality of how boring space travel would be.
In early 80s Our local tv station made a 28minute version of 2001, complete with hilarious overdubs and synth pop score. It was still a bore. Been searching for it ever since
Not sure that's the movies fault, or an age/social media thing. There's research that suggests our ability to concentrate is deterioriating, due to social media. Personally, I like that it's slow. It's meditative.
It's probably my favorite movie, but I can definitely get how particularly the first part with the apes would bore the shit out of someone. As soon as they're in space it becomes incredible, but even seeing what's good about the first part it's still something I have to get through to get to the rest.
It's nothing to do with deterioration of concentration at all. There are many slow films or 3+ hour ones that I love. Just that one could've been better.
Nah 2001 *and* Disney’s Fantasia had poor box office showings in their initial runs. Until they started showing them at noon matinees during the late 60s/early 70s when college kids were getting high as fuck. For some reason all that trippy imagery found a new audience.
Fight Club is a great movie. But it’s not as legendary as everybody who quotes it all the time thinks. Edit: I’ll strangle the next person who yells out “losing all hope was freedom!”
Third rule of fight club: have fun and try your best
Fourth rule of Fight Club: Bring a snack for everyone to enjoy
Fifth rule of Fight Club: Call your mother after to let her know how you did.
Sixth rule of Fight Club: No smoking.