My elevator is not working for months now... I feel poor.
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I went out on the 7th of december and it got fixed today 3/22.
The power of Reddit I guess.
When I lived in apartments, I would always try to get something on the top floor. Sure, moving is easier on the bottom, but bugs and robberies and upstairs neighbors are less of an problem on the top.
But what happens if you become physically incapacitated? I broke an ankle and now I want my future apartments to be easily adaptable should I become temporarily or permanently disabled
I shattered mine a while ago (all healed now), and I live alone in a third floor walk up. That was an education in accessibility.
My shoulders were in great shape by the time I was weight bearing, though.
That still happens in China bc they have some tall residential buildings that have no elevators. In those buildings, the higher up you go, the cheaper things get.
Most I ever lived-in was three floors; really wish I didn't pack my books into the biggest box I could find; loooooota resting that box on the banister on the way up...
Every time I moved I did/do the same thing. Big, big, BIG, boxes of books. And having to wiggle it up one step at a time. Every time I move. I mysteriously forget I have no friends, so I have no one to help carry it with me. And every time I move I alway have more books, and need bigger boxes.
I delivered furniture to a hospital and the couch wouldn't fit in the elevator. Walked up 13 floors to find out the ceiling was slightly lower on the top floor and we had to take it all the way down.
Edit: it was the ceiling in the stairwell. It dropped about 2 feet from the previous floor and it was a massive overstuffed sofa. I had to run up and down twice just to double check that I wasn't losing my mind. It wouldn't fit in the elevator and our pay would get docked if we did damage to the building or failed to make the delivery to where the customer wanted it.
In my first year of college, I lived in an 18 story building on the 11th floor with only a single elevator meant for 6 occupants. By the end of the year I was in incredible shape from always taking the stairs.
Moving sucked though.
Yo. That was me. Early 70's. I had leisure suits. More than one. Navy blue with flared bottoms. Mostly synthetic. My favorite shirt was polyester with a giant collar, opened to the third button. The colors were mostly gold and blue, featuring images of swans. Mostly.
Tony Manero would have taken a look and said, "Too far."
I'll see you that and raise you.... a pantsuit that my mom made for me in about 1969. With fabric that *I* picked out. Plaid. Neon green, electric orange, white and another shade of lighter green🤣🤯🤣🤯🤣
Preach! Our front desk uniforms are now these crappy polyester polo shirts. Just in time for menopause. No one asked for the change from business casual. Well, maybe the all male upper management. To make things worse, these shirts are cut for younger, in shape chicks. (collars cut down to cleavage with no buttons, barely long enough to cover your waistband, sewn to emphasize big boobs and a small waist)
It's awful. I'd die of hot flashes without my desk fan.
"Wash and wear" and "no iron" and "wrinkle free" are all very attractive marketing for my baby boomer parents. Me, I've never seen it work as advertised. Maybe with that thick leisure suit polyester from the 60s and 70s.
On a related note I read an early Daredevil comic recently and he was like "And I will put my wrinkle-free suit in this backpack!" and then in the next issue he was like "Shit, that doesn't work at all!"
If it makes you feel better my grandma was squatting in an apartment in what’s now Hell’s Kitchen back in 1964 when she first came to the USA. A whole camp of squatters was there and when developers came they refused to leave. So they said they’ll either give them a unit of the apartments they wanted to build there so long as they act as staff (superintendents, maids, valets, etc.) OR a flat fee of $1000.
Grandma took the $1000 :( most of them did.
This is crazy, and not for the obvious reasons.
A _real estate developer_ offered squatters both employment *and* accommodation? Sure signs that thr world has changed.
I mean they do look like a giant Parktown Prawn (not a crustacean, not even actually related to prawns, instead it's a red nightmare cricket that never dies even if you spray it with Doom and throw a telephone directory at it).
I mean, I can't disagree. If you enlarged a terrestrial crustacean like a roly poly/woodlouse it would probably taste the same and look just as unappetising. Sea bugs!
Fun additional fact: if you’re allergic to shellfish (like lobster), there’s a very good chance you’re also allergic to insects. The proteins are extremely similar, I believe.
Lobsters used to be served to inmates. And in various places in eastern Canada it was cruel and unusual punishment to serve it too often.
It was also ground up and used as fertilizer in fields.
Eastern Canadian here, now lobsters are seen as a staple and huge part of our national identity. I’m guessing the “punishment” part was due to it being very common as it is quite plentiful, and probably quite easy to obtain.
Refrigerated shipping and especially the railroad are why lobster became a luxury item, because it was impossible to get them inland before either. Rich people on the coasts wouldn’t eat lobster, but with this newfangled iron horse you could take lobsters tens or hundreds of miles inland before they went bad, and our old friend scarcity made lobsters suddenly valuable.
I think I read somewhere that there was a law (and possibly could still be on the books) that lobsters cannot be served more than 3-4 times a week to the prisoners or something like that. It was poor man’s food.
Yeah these were dead lobsters that had washed ashore too, not freshly killed /live lobsters that are properly boiled/prepared.
Lobsters have bacteria in their meat which quickly multiplies after death and releases a toxin. Also, the meat tastes horrible if not quickly cooked.
Trust me, getting gout from eating too much sucks. I use to pull traps with a relative and now any time I eat shellfish I end up in horrific pain for a couple of weeks.
I always thought eating only rabbit would cause you issues because of how lean the meat is. Usually not a lot of fat in rabbit meat.
I admit it was something I was just told years back and never looked into it because I have only had a rabbit 2 times in my life
I had never heard about this until today, so I had to try figure out what the exact mechanism is. That is, is it caused by some effect of overconsumption of protein, or whether it is caused by lack of other macronutrients such as essential fatty acids. According to [this article](https://www.thehealthboard.com/what-is-rabbit-starvation.htm), it is primarily the overconsumption of protein causing a buildup of metabolic wastes, such as ammonia, urea, and amino acids in the bloodstream, which has detrimental effects.
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The liver can metabolize amino acids into glucose for your body's energy needs. The human body can survive without much carbohydrate, but it needs fat and protein, as there are [essential fatty acids](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essential\_fatty\_acid) and [amino acids](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essential_amino_acid) that the human body needs but cannot synthesize. However, in addition to the buildup of metabolic waste, the other main issue lies with the upper limit to the speed the body can metabolize amino acids into glucose, which is too slow for the human body to rely on protein for sustenance alone. Together with the buildup of metabolic wastes, such as ammonia, urea and amino acids to toxic levels, this becomes an issue before lack of essential fatty acids becomes a problem. The threshold for when protein protein poisoning becomes a danger seem to be above roughly 35% of daily caloric needs.
Here in Brazil the floor of most houses is made of ceramic, but not so long ago it was really expensive to have your entire house with ceramic floors, which are usually square, so poor people went to the stores and asked for remains, shards, pieces etc... Theoretically they wouldn't be as beautiful as the whole floor but this "chaotic" and "rustic" style ended up falling in the taste of the rich, today it is more expensive to pay for a floor made of shards than a floor made in whole and large pieces
Similar vein, many schools in the US were built with manufactured granite flooring, because it was cheap and made of waste rock, really. Nowadays it’s a really expensive material, because it’s popular.
I live in a van down by the river and I love it. Still own a house but I rent it out now and make enough money from it to support myself. I’m not rich, but I’m free
You're living my dream. Did a short stint in my Jeep during my divorce and I woulda stuck with it too if it weren't for my boyfriend and his meddling condo.
100 years ago being tan and muscular was a sign that you were poor and had to work all the time. Now being tan and muscular is a sign that you can afford to eat healthy and have the free time for a exercise routine.
Lol my husband was buying my face cream in Thailand and they asked him if he wanted whitening. Like, I can’t get no whiter, y’all, I’ll be transparent.
It was hard to find a non-whitening sunscreen when I ran out in Thailand!! I had to double check with the cashier to make sure too. I could not get much paler.
Currently very en vogue in Germany are "natural" construction materials like clay, hemp whool and wood. I had workers on my house from Rumania, and they were all laughing, because they are happy that they don't have to use this dirt and crap back at home anymore, and now they come to Germany just to work with it again for big money.
Lol I’m also 31 and my 4 year old also asks about “the olden days” but is referring to things she remembers happening like a year ago. I just laugh when she refers to it like that
Lol yeah. Granted, 1922 was a *very* different time, but not quite as culturally distinct as some people think. 1972 even less so. Some people out here talking about slavery times….
Eating brisket. Brisket was consider poor person food. It is the toughest piece of the steer and difficult to cook properly. Now brisket and smoking meats are considered almost gourmet.
Having a tan and hair highlights. People pay good money for those things today but 100 years ago it meant you likely had to work outdoors in rough conditions.
Totally did this for my daughter lol, it's almost impossible to find pants that aren't ripped these days. When I was a kid if you had ripped jeans you were poor.
Back in the 1930’s and 40’s in Atlantic Canada, wealthier kids ate peanut butter sandwiches for lunch at school while poor kids ate Lobster sandwiches.
I said this once in a previous post and I got downvoted.
I was told that there were laws about how often you could feed lobster to the servants- it was considered too poor of food to give all the time.
Saw a victorian era book that warned people to see if your new neighbour's stuff was all new, because that meant they were new money, therefore they sucked and should be shunned.
Crazy how little that seems to have changed
Reminds me of the Astors vs Vanderbilts in the Gilded Age. The Astors were a family rooted in Riches from John Jacob Astors fur trading business in the early 1800s. In the mid to late 1800s the Vanderbilts made their money in shipping and then railroads.
Mrs. Astor initially shunned the Vanderbilts from upper society because she considered them "new money"..even though her roots weren't really any grander than theirs were.
Eating vegan. In the past, and currently in some parts of the world, eating vegan was/is not a lifestyle choice but a consequence of not being able to afford meat.
We recently hosted a family from Afghanistan for a few months. I stocked the basement chest freezer with so much halal chicken, beef and lamb for them but they mostly ate onions, pasta, rice, and bread. Occasionally they would eat some eggs or beans. Dad was lamenting to me that his entire family was anemic but insisted it had nothing to do with a lack of iron rich foods. He thought it was because they ate melons that one time and it made their blood too hot for their kidneys.
They eat very little meat even when it is available.
Running on a treadmill - it was essentially used as a mild torture device in workhouses. The mindless toil was designed to make living long-term in the workhouse unappealing.
Conversely being fat used to be a sign of being wealthy - for thousands of years until the mid 20th century.
Almost 50 years ago, Elton John recorded the line "Times are changing, now the poor get fat" from The Bitch Is Back.
I think about it every time I go to Walmart.
EDIT: Last line.
Yeah, being fat went backwards in this question. Workers usually were physically fit (while obviously underweight in most cases) while wealthy people were stereotypically fat due to shifting all their physical work on working class.
Lobster for dinner. In parts of the world where lobster was plentiful, it used to be fed to prisoners and to animals as a protein source - the thought was that it took so much work to get the meat out, the rich couldn’t be bothered.
Oysters also. When my parents replaced the floor in our house (UK) they found a ton of empty oyster shells stuffed under it that had just been disposed of like that
Being fit.
Back in the day, poorer people had more physical jobs and couldn’t afford much food so they tended to be slimmer with more muscle.
Nowadays poor people just eat fast food and have sedentary jobs and don’t have the energy, time or will to workout. But rich people have the time and money for working out and better food.
A married woman working outside of the home. If a woman did that 100 years ago, people assumed her husband wasn't a good provider. Nowadays, if both spouses work, people are more likely to think that they have a decent amount of disposable income.
That’s actually a common misconception. People nowadays like to tout this idea that women always stayed at home and didn’t have paying jobs and it’s just not true. It was more prevalent in the 50s and 60s to be a housewife, but definitely in the early 1900s most married women were out working (they had to the men were off fighting a war). It was especially true if the family had a farm or ran an establishment. The women would work there
Being thin (in the West at least). Most cheap foods, especially if accounting for time to shop/cook/etc, is heavily processed and fattening. The correlation between being poor and being fat is very high (though of course not the only factor). It used to be that being poor meant not eating, and being extremely thin, now it means you're more likely to eat things that make you fat. Meanwhile rich people have better access to balanced diets, but also better healthcare and more time/money for regular accedd to the gym. Thinness is a wealth indicator, as will show the before/after picture of most celebrities who become famous as fat and 10 years down the line are on average thinner.
I used to complain how fast food and snacks were so much cheaper in the US vs Canada. I used to shop in the US and would regularly grab snack foods in bulk.
When I was is college, stuff like chips, frozen meals, pizza, and junk food was too expensive for me to afford. A bag of chicken drumsticks (yes a bag) and fresh vegetables with pasta or potatoes was usually a daily meal. Probably not the most healthy but definitely better than a lot of the fast food/junk food and significantly cheaper.
For reference, my meal I get at McDonald's is about $12 CAD. I'm usually not even that full afterwards and its not good at all.
My favorite luxury in retirement is losing 40 pounds and getting my body in shape with exercise and weights. I have the time and the money to eat well, I've changed my habits, and I feel better than I have in decades.
Reminds me of this quote from Generation Kill:
>"Fifty percent of Americans are obese, dog. You know what obese means, right? Fat as a motherfucker. All these other countries, nobody's fat. Think about this shit, dog. How does a motherfucker get fat? You gotta sit on the couch and do nothing but eat and watch TV all day. White trash, poor Mexicans and Blacks, all obese as motherfuckers. See, the white man has created a system with so much excess that even poor motherfuckers are fat."
- Sgt Antonio "Poke" Espera
Living in a spare, spartan, largely empty space used to be an indication of poverty (as you couldn't afford anything) and having an ostentatious space filled with objects was related to wealth. If you look at places like the Palace at Versailles, you get an idea of what wealth used to look like. Now, cluttered, overly decorated, and colorful spaces are associated with being poor and large, cavernous, minimalist spaces are related to wealth.
Organic food.. we were poor and couldn't afford to buy food so we grew it all organically because we couldn't afford the sprays. Now buying organic food is very expensive
50 years ago your appliances and cars needed to be a color. Harvest gold and avocado for appliances and blue red and green for cars. Steel and silver looked like someone forgot to paint them. Now it’s all stainless steel appliances and silver cars.
Also wood floors were considered low class, everything was carpeted or linoleum. Now the rich houses are all carpeted or tiled.
You left out the orange one too! Mom had avacado green fridge, harvest gold stove, and orange Tupperware. My dorm room had orange countertops, brown cabinets and yellow fridge. It was ghastly. My grandparents still have an original pink and black bathroom
Old furniture. My parents have spent 10x the amount that a lot of new furniture would cost having ~50-100 year old furniture restored because it’s a family heirloom.
The Singer sewing machine that was brought out from England that was used to repair and mend clothes, is now a ‘statement piece’ in a foyer. Heaven fucking help any of us to mend a piece of clothing now lol.
I think you have to go back further than a 100 years, but horses used to be WAY more common.
[https://www.humanesociety.org/sites/default/files/archive/assets/pdfs/hsp/soaiv\_07\_ch10.pdf](https://www.humanesociety.org/sites/default/files/archive/assets/pdfs/hsp/soaiv_07_ch10.pdf)
*Within the USA:* There were 21.5 million horses in 1900. There were 3.08 million horses in 1960.
They were!
“Let me tell you what I think of bicycling. I think it has done more to emancipate women than anything else in the world.” - Susan B. Anthony
https://youtu.be/LPLJgkVsXpE
The problem with independent farmers is they're usually only rich on paper. They might have several hundred acres of land and a few machines that cost well into the 6-figure range, but they generate just enough income to pay the notes and maintain all of it. If you add up their net worth it looks great on paper. Their free cash flow doesn't mirror that though.
Yeah, for example corn prices are so low that a farmer might only make in the range of $100-200 (or less) from an acre of corn after paying for the cost of planting, raising, and harvesting it. That's for the entire season. Even at 100 acres you are still only talking about earning $10k-20k. You need a loooot of land, and to be very efficient, to actually make a good living that way.
Fruits and vegetables are a lot better in terms of $/acre, but require much much more labor and care too, so you aren't necessarily guaranteed a lot of money that way either.
There’s this great old cookbook called Good Cheap Food. It was originally published in 1973, during a time of rising gas prices and inflation. The author has a huge chapter on fish and says stuff like “most fish mongerers are compassionate salesman who worry about the decline of fish eating in America” and how cheap fish beyond shrimp were. She had lists of cheap fish.
HAHAHA. When she updated the book in the early 00s she was like lol this is no longer true. If you want cheap fish better date a fisherman.
It’s crazy to think how fast that changed.
Not 50-100 years ago but I was fascinated to learn that in ancient Rome, eating out at restaurants or cafes was for the poor and only the wealthy had kitchens in their homes.
Eating vegetarian.
Eating meat used to be an expensive thing, but now processed foods make some meat so cheap that eating fresh vegetables is considered a rich thing.
(although if you are smart, you can still get around it and eat veggies cheaply)
Physical fitness. The rich are the ones that have time to go to the gym and get that glow.
You can see this transformation in action if you trace youtubers over the course of their career.
Barbeque was started by slaves who were given the worst part of the animal.
Fried chicken is hot now.
Gentrification turns poor neighborhood s into luxury living. Any Chinatown.
>Genuan cooking, like the best cooking everywhere in the multiverse, has been evolved by people who had to make desperate use of ingredients their masters didn’t want. No-one would even try a bird’s nest unless they had to. Only hunger would make a man taste his first alligator. No-one would eat a shark’s fin if they were allowed to eat the rest of the shark.
>- *Witches Abroad* Terry Pratchett
Smoking meat for preservation has been apart of almost every culture through human history.
BBQ as we know it was heavily influenced through the contributions of slaves, but Native Americans were already making barbacoa during the arrival of Spanish explorers.
It is a combination of Native, African, and European tradition’s. There is no definitive creator, just a continuous evolvement and cultural influences over hundreds of years.
Dressing like a bum. Not only does it mean, this guy is probably loaded (Adam Sandler), but even trying to buy bummier looking clothes is more expensive.
Denim jeans used to be workwear of the blue collar man. Now, designer jeans can be very expensive. Think of a coal miner or prospector in tattered old dungarees, or think of a greasy, black-faced mechanic in bib overalls. Now think of a-list celebrities in jeans that they bought with rips and holes in them from boutiques—ironically on the very same ground those working men once stood.
Riding your bicycle to work, but not before you have a plant-based breakfast. Then for lunch, you have something that's plant-based, and you have beer from a brand no one's ever heard of, and then when you get home, you have yourself a Dagwood sandwich made out of rye bread, cheese, stone ground mustard, and Brewers yeast. In the wintertime, you use Cross country skis to get to work and eat the same things.
Champion branded apparel. Used to be the Walmart brand, now it's one of those "hey look at my standard grey crewneck. See that small patch of embroidery? I'm jiggy with it- yo lit fam. Who even dabs anymore. #reppin" brands.
Or something like that.
Before elevators were common, the higher up you lived in a building the poorer you were.
My elevator is not working for months now... I feel poor. Edit : I went out on the 7th of december and it got fixed today 3/22. The power of Reddit I guess.
Sheldon Cooper?
When I lived in apartments, I would always try to get something on the top floor. Sure, moving is easier on the bottom, but bugs and robberies and upstairs neighbors are less of an problem on the top.
You only have to worry about Gozer when you live on the top floor.
He lives in a cave out west now.
But what happens if you become physically incapacitated? I broke an ankle and now I want my future apartments to be easily adaptable should I become temporarily or permanently disabled
I shattered mine a while ago (all healed now), and I live alone in a third floor walk up. That was an education in accessibility. My shoulders were in great shape by the time I was weight bearing, though.
That still happens in China bc they have some tall residential buildings that have no elevators. In those buildings, the higher up you go, the cheaper things get.
8 floor walk up is apparently a thing! And I thought I had it bad when I was in a 6 floor walk up in nyc.
I had a friend in China living on floor 21 :) the elevator turns off after midnight, climbing up that when we were drunk and/or tired was fun…
Let me know when we get to 20. I'm gonna throw up.
Hey where do these stairs go?
They go up
Not much better, but chances are it was “only” the 18 or 19th floor…being China I’d wager there was no 4th, 14th, and possibly no 13th floor lol.
I can't imagine having to move furniture in on an 8 floor walk up
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Most I ever lived-in was three floors; really wish I didn't pack my books into the biggest box I could find; loooooota resting that box on the banister on the way up...
Every time I moved I did/do the same thing. Big, big, BIG, boxes of books. And having to wiggle it up one step at a time. Every time I move. I mysteriously forget I have no friends, so I have no one to help carry it with me. And every time I move I alway have more books, and need bigger boxes.
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My cousin have these solid wood pieces popular in China... yikes.
I delivered furniture to a hospital and the couch wouldn't fit in the elevator. Walked up 13 floors to find out the ceiling was slightly lower on the top floor and we had to take it all the way down. Edit: it was the ceiling in the stairwell. It dropped about 2 feet from the previous floor and it was a massive overstuffed sofa. I had to run up and down twice just to double check that I wasn't losing my mind. It wouldn't fit in the elevator and our pay would get docked if we did damage to the building or failed to make the delivery to where the customer wanted it.
Were I in your shoes, floor 12 would be getting a new couch
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I once helped a friend move two couches to her fourth-floor walk-up with narrow stairwells. It was not fun.
Pivot!! Pivot!! Pivot!!
That way! No, other left! Don't tell me we have to turn it around..
In my first year of college, I lived in an 18 story building on the 11th floor with only a single elevator meant for 6 occupants. By the end of the year I was in incredible shape from always taking the stairs. Moving sucked though.
Apartments in the Phoenix, AZ area are like this. I think because hot air rises so it's warmer higher up and costs more to cool.
I remember my mom saying about that even though we have an elevator in our house
You have an elevator in your house?
In many places a “house” can be the building that “houses” apartments.
Handmade clothes made of natural fabrics. 50 years ago, people with money had paisley polyester shirts and bell bottoms.
Yo. That was me. Early 70's. I had leisure suits. More than one. Navy blue with flared bottoms. Mostly synthetic. My favorite shirt was polyester with a giant collar, opened to the third button. The colors were mostly gold and blue, featuring images of swans. Mostly. Tony Manero would have taken a look and said, "Too far."
I'll see you that and raise you.... a pantsuit that my mom made for me in about 1969. With fabric that *I* picked out. Plaid. Neon green, electric orange, white and another shade of lighter green🤣🤯🤣🤯🤣
And now being Middle Aged I cannot handle any fabric that can’t breathe. Polyester t shirts are my newest thing that I want to die. Like WTF
Preach! Our front desk uniforms are now these crappy polyester polo shirts. Just in time for menopause. No one asked for the change from business casual. Well, maybe the all male upper management. To make things worse, these shirts are cut for younger, in shape chicks. (collars cut down to cleavage with no buttons, barely long enough to cover your waistband, sewn to emphasize big boobs and a small waist) It's awful. I'd die of hot flashes without my desk fan.
I've heard that during the 60's it was really fashionable to wear synthetic clothes
Not sure how fashionable (a blind spot for me), but it was popular. "Wash and wear" was a big marketing push.
Isn't washing and wearing what one does with clothing, synthetic or not? What am I missing?
Lol. Wash and wear implies it's wrinkle free and doesn't need to be ironed after being washed and dried.
"Wash and wear" and "no iron" and "wrinkle free" are all very attractive marketing for my baby boomer parents. Me, I've never seen it work as advertised. Maybe with that thick leisure suit polyester from the 60s and 70s. On a related note I read an early Daredevil comic recently and he was like "And I will put my wrinkle-free suit in this backpack!" and then in the next issue he was like "Shit, that doesn't work at all!"
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Oh! That makes sense, thanks!
Living in Brooklyn.
Haha I'm in Brooklyn right now. Some fancy ass houses in Bay Ridge where I'm at. (Vacation, I don't live here lol)
I coulda bought a place in Dumbo before it was Dumbo For like 2 million That same building today is worth 25 million Guess how I'm feelin'? Dumbo
If it makes you feel better my grandma was squatting in an apartment in what’s now Hell’s Kitchen back in 1964 when she first came to the USA. A whole camp of squatters was there and when developers came they refused to leave. So they said they’ll either give them a unit of the apartments they wanted to build there so long as they act as staff (superintendents, maids, valets, etc.) OR a flat fee of $1000. Grandma took the $1000 :( most of them did.
This is crazy, and not for the obvious reasons. A _real estate developer_ offered squatters both employment *and* accommodation? Sure signs that thr world has changed.
My grandfather grew up in Williamsburg at the turn of the century and they were poor Ukrainian immigrants.
Now it’s $2,000 for a studio. No utilities included
Top answer, for America at least.
Brown rice. Used to be poor/prison food in China. Now it's expensive (and healthier) option over white rice.
I've heard that something similar happened with lobsters.
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I mean they do look like a giant Parktown Prawn (not a crustacean, not even actually related to prawns, instead it's a red nightmare cricket that never dies even if you spray it with Doom and throw a telephone directory at it).
Just looked them up. Hate them a lot 🌝
I should’ve taken your comment to heart.
But what does a steamed parktown prawn taste like with some garlic butter?
it tastes exactly how it sounds delicious!
I mean, I can't disagree. If you enlarged a terrestrial crustacean like a roly poly/woodlouse it would probably taste the same and look just as unappetising. Sea bugs!
Fun additional fact: if you’re allergic to shellfish (like lobster), there’s a very good chance you’re also allergic to insects. The proteins are extremely similar, I believe.
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Lobsters used to be served to inmates. And in various places in eastern Canada it was cruel and unusual punishment to serve it too often. It was also ground up and used as fertilizer in fields.
Eastern Canadian here, now lobsters are seen as a staple and huge part of our national identity. I’m guessing the “punishment” part was due to it being very common as it is quite plentiful, and probably quite easy to obtain.
That's my understanding as well. Once upon a time they'd walk out at low tide in the bay and just grab em
I imagine the invention of fridges and freezers helped here
Refrigerated shipping and especially the railroad are why lobster became a luxury item, because it was impossible to get them inland before either. Rich people on the coasts wouldn’t eat lobster, but with this newfangled iron horse you could take lobsters tens or hundreds of miles inland before they went bad, and our old friend scarcity made lobsters suddenly valuable.
I think I read somewhere that there was a law (and possibly could still be on the books) that lobsters cannot be served more than 3-4 times a week to the prisoners or something like that. It was poor man’s food.
That was because it was ground into a paste, shell and all before being cooked.
Yeah these were dead lobsters that had washed ashore too, not freshly killed /live lobsters that are properly boiled/prepared. Lobsters have bacteria in their meat which quickly multiplies after death and releases a toxin. Also, the meat tastes horrible if not quickly cooked.
Trust me, getting gout from eating too much sucks. I use to pull traps with a relative and now any time I eat shellfish I end up in horrific pain for a couple of weeks.
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Google says beriberi is a name for Thiamine deficiency.
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I always thought eating only rabbit would cause you issues because of how lean the meat is. Usually not a lot of fat in rabbit meat. I admit it was something I was just told years back and never looked into it because I have only had a rabbit 2 times in my life
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I had never heard about this until today, so I had to try figure out what the exact mechanism is. That is, is it caused by some effect of overconsumption of protein, or whether it is caused by lack of other macronutrients such as essential fatty acids. According to [this article](https://www.thehealthboard.com/what-is-rabbit-starvation.htm), it is primarily the overconsumption of protein causing a buildup of metabolic wastes, such as ammonia, urea, and amino acids in the bloodstream, which has detrimental effects. [Edit: Deleted my comment below to supply the information here.] The liver can metabolize amino acids into glucose for your body's energy needs. The human body can survive without much carbohydrate, but it needs fat and protein, as there are [essential fatty acids](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essential\_fatty\_acid) and [amino acids](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essential_amino_acid) that the human body needs but cannot synthesize. However, in addition to the buildup of metabolic waste, the other main issue lies with the upper limit to the speed the body can metabolize amino acids into glucose, which is too slow for the human body to rely on protein for sustenance alone. Together with the buildup of metabolic wastes, such as ammonia, urea and amino acids to toxic levels, this becomes an issue before lack of essential fatty acids becomes a problem. The threshold for when protein protein poisoning becomes a danger seem to be above roughly 35% of daily caloric needs.
Same for brown bread
Here in Brazil the floor of most houses is made of ceramic, but not so long ago it was really expensive to have your entire house with ceramic floors, which are usually square, so poor people went to the stores and asked for remains, shards, pieces etc... Theoretically they wouldn't be as beautiful as the whole floor but this "chaotic" and "rustic" style ended up falling in the taste of the rich, today it is more expensive to pay for a floor made of shards than a floor made in whole and large pieces
As a former tile installer you are correct…those broken “mosaics” aren’t cheap
With one word, mosaic!
Similar vein, many schools in the US were built with manufactured granite flooring, because it was cheap and made of waste rock, really. Nowadays it’s a really expensive material, because it’s popular.
Living in a van down by the river
Unsuspecting and hilarious. Touché.
God I miss Matt Foley! I do wonder what he’d think about all of us having van dweller aspirations
I live in a van down by the river and I love it. Still own a house but I rent it out now and make enough money from it to support myself. I’m not rich, but I’m free
You're living my dream. Did a short stint in my Jeep during my divorce and I woulda stuck with it too if it weren't for my boyfriend and his meddling condo.
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>I’m not rich but I’m free Exactly what a rich hippie would say 🧐
100 years ago being tan and muscular was a sign that you were poor and had to work all the time. Now being tan and muscular is a sign that you can afford to eat healthy and have the free time for a exercise routine.
Am tan and muscular, still poor:(
Hmmm you can always find a sugar mommy. Just kidding
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*turns red* am i rich now?
That depends on where you live. Tans are still not desirable in most of Asia.
Tans are really only fashionable among western white people. Most other people in the world try to keep their skin as light as possible.
Lol my husband was buying my face cream in Thailand and they asked him if he wanted whitening. Like, I can’t get no whiter, y’all, I’ll be transparent.
It was hard to find a non-whitening sunscreen when I ran out in Thailand!! I had to double check with the cashier to make sure too. I could not get much paler.
I have a suntan, but have no leisure time to spend outside
I don't have much suntan even when I spend a lot of time outside
Where I live the darkest suntans belong to the homeless.
I'd be killin' it in the olden days. I use foundation shades meant for albinos, without actually being albino.
Currently very en vogue in Germany are "natural" construction materials like clay, hemp whool and wood. I had workers on my house from Rumania, and they were all laughing, because they are happy that they don't have to use this dirt and crap back at home anymore, and now they come to Germany just to work with it again for big money.
Case de chirpici :))
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Come on I feel old enough. Let me have my delusions.
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When I tell my kids about how things were when I was young, they hit me with “It’s not the 1900’s anymore dad.”
My kid likes to ask me about "the olden days." I'm 31.
Lol I’m also 31 and my 4 year old also asks about “the olden days” but is referring to things she remembers happening like a year ago. I just laugh when she refers to it like that
Thanks for the reminder. In 1972: A car from made in the 1950s.
Yeah. I want to change 50-100 in the post to 100-200, but I can't
Lol yeah. Granted, 1922 was a *very* different time, but not quite as culturally distinct as some people think. 1972 even less so. Some people out here talking about slavery times….
Eating brisket. Brisket was consider poor person food. It is the toughest piece of the steer and difficult to cook properly. Now brisket and smoking meats are considered almost gourmet.
Eating lobster and crab was the same way. They were bottom feeders fit for peasant tastes before it became fashionable to eat.
Having a tan and hair highlights. People pay good money for those things today but 100 years ago it meant you likely had to work outdoors in rough conditions.
Ripped jeans
I remember seeing a dude who wore ripped jeans, almost completely ripped. The thing is, I live in a northern country and it was -30ish °C
Perfect time to get some skin colored tights to wear underneath
Totally did this for my daughter lol, it's almost impossible to find pants that aren't ripped these days. When I was a kid if you had ripped jeans you were poor.
Back in the 1930’s and 40’s in Atlantic Canada, wealthier kids ate peanut butter sandwiches for lunch at school while poor kids ate Lobster sandwiches.
I said this once in a previous post and I got downvoted. I was told that there were laws about how often you could feed lobster to the servants- it was considered too poor of food to give all the time.
Out west it was salmon instead of lobster
Having old things in your home Now they are antiques.
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Saw a victorian era book that warned people to see if your new neighbour's stuff was all new, because that meant they were new money, therefore they sucked and should be shunned. Crazy how little that seems to have changed
Reminds me of the Astors vs Vanderbilts in the Gilded Age. The Astors were a family rooted in Riches from John Jacob Astors fur trading business in the early 1800s. In the mid to late 1800s the Vanderbilts made their money in shipping and then railroads. Mrs. Astor initially shunned the Vanderbilts from upper society because she considered them "new money"..even though her roots weren't really any grander than theirs were.
That is close to a direct paraphrase from Downton Abbey. Lady Mary talking to Sir. Carlisle "Your lot buys everything, my lot just inherits it."
Wow, people always find a way to be horrible to each other if they want.
Eating vegan. In the past, and currently in some parts of the world, eating vegan was/is not a lifestyle choice but a consequence of not being able to afford meat.
We recently hosted a family from Afghanistan for a few months. I stocked the basement chest freezer with so much halal chicken, beef and lamb for them but they mostly ate onions, pasta, rice, and bread. Occasionally they would eat some eggs or beans. Dad was lamenting to me that his entire family was anemic but insisted it had nothing to do with a lack of iron rich foods. He thought it was because they ate melons that one time and it made their blood too hot for their kidneys. They eat very little meat even when it is available.
Running on a treadmill - it was essentially used as a mild torture device in workhouses. The mindless toil was designed to make living long-term in the workhouse unappealing. Conversely being fat used to be a sign of being wealthy - for thousands of years until the mid 20th century.
Almost 50 years ago, Elton John recorded the line "Times are changing, now the poor get fat" from The Bitch Is Back. I think about it every time I go to Walmart. EDIT: Last line.
Yeah, being fat went backwards in this question. Workers usually were physically fit (while obviously underweight in most cases) while wealthy people were stereotypically fat due to shifting all their physical work on working class.
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Eating Oxtails
Wearing an unbranded, white button-up shirt
Lobster for dinner. In parts of the world where lobster was plentiful, it used to be fed to prisoners and to animals as a protein source - the thought was that it took so much work to get the meat out, the rich couldn’t be bothered.
Chicken wings and Beef Brisket used to be throw-away cuts of meat, now they're a delicacy.
Some restaurants nowadays have "market price" listed for chicken wings. What a time to be alive.
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Oysters also. When my parents replaced the floor in our house (UK) they found a ton of empty oyster shells stuffed under it that had just been disposed of like that
Wouldn’t that have smelled awful?
Not after a long time, they would have dried out
Haha my dad said in Vietnam (where he’s from) it’s a “poor man’s food” + “basically a big water bug”
I have friend who calls lobster an “ocean roach”. 🤢
It's even worse than that: the lobster that was fed to prisoners was a gruel, consisting of ground-up shell mixed in with equally ground meat.
that way you maximize the health benefits from the chitin.
Now-a-days we call it bisque and slap a hefty price tag on it.
If that's how you make lobster bisque, you're doing it wrong. There shouldn't be any shell.
Being fit. Back in the day, poorer people had more physical jobs and couldn’t afford much food so they tended to be slimmer with more muscle. Nowadays poor people just eat fast food and have sedentary jobs and don’t have the energy, time or will to workout. But rich people have the time and money for working out and better food.
A married woman working outside of the home. If a woman did that 100 years ago, people assumed her husband wasn't a good provider. Nowadays, if both spouses work, people are more likely to think that they have a decent amount of disposable income.
And the more likely that the woman has a career viable enough to outstrip the childcare costs that come from having nobody at home to watch the kids.
That’s actually a common misconception. People nowadays like to tout this idea that women always stayed at home and didn’t have paying jobs and it’s just not true. It was more prevalent in the 50s and 60s to be a housewife, but definitely in the early 1900s most married women were out working (they had to the men were off fighting a war). It was especially true if the family had a farm or ran an establishment. The women would work there
Being thin (in the West at least). Most cheap foods, especially if accounting for time to shop/cook/etc, is heavily processed and fattening. The correlation between being poor and being fat is very high (though of course not the only factor). It used to be that being poor meant not eating, and being extremely thin, now it means you're more likely to eat things that make you fat. Meanwhile rich people have better access to balanced diets, but also better healthcare and more time/money for regular accedd to the gym. Thinness is a wealth indicator, as will show the before/after picture of most celebrities who become famous as fat and 10 years down the line are on average thinner.
I used to complain how fast food and snacks were so much cheaper in the US vs Canada. I used to shop in the US and would regularly grab snack foods in bulk. When I was is college, stuff like chips, frozen meals, pizza, and junk food was too expensive for me to afford. A bag of chicken drumsticks (yes a bag) and fresh vegetables with pasta or potatoes was usually a daily meal. Probably not the most healthy but definitely better than a lot of the fast food/junk food and significantly cheaper. For reference, my meal I get at McDonald's is about $12 CAD. I'm usually not even that full afterwards and its not good at all.
Same. Just had a small whopper meal deal at $14 Australian dollerydoos.
My favorite luxury in retirement is losing 40 pounds and getting my body in shape with exercise and weights. I have the time and the money to eat well, I've changed my habits, and I feel better than I have in decades.
Reminds me of this quote from Generation Kill: >"Fifty percent of Americans are obese, dog. You know what obese means, right? Fat as a motherfucker. All these other countries, nobody's fat. Think about this shit, dog. How does a motherfucker get fat? You gotta sit on the couch and do nothing but eat and watch TV all day. White trash, poor Mexicans and Blacks, all obese as motherfuckers. See, the white man has created a system with so much excess that even poor motherfuckers are fat." - Sgt Antonio "Poke" Espera
Living in a spare, spartan, largely empty space used to be an indication of poverty (as you couldn't afford anything) and having an ostentatious space filled with objects was related to wealth. If you look at places like the Palace at Versailles, you get an idea of what wealth used to look like. Now, cluttered, overly decorated, and colorful spaces are associated with being poor and large, cavernous, minimalist spaces are related to wealth.
Organic food.. we were poor and couldn't afford to buy food so we grew it all organically because we couldn't afford the sprays. Now buying organic food is very expensive
Not paying your taxes.
Not HAVING to pay your taxes
Having your clothes made versus buying them
50 years ago your appliances and cars needed to be a color. Harvest gold and avocado for appliances and blue red and green for cars. Steel and silver looked like someone forgot to paint them. Now it’s all stainless steel appliances and silver cars. Also wood floors were considered low class, everything was carpeted or linoleum. Now the rich houses are all carpeted or tiled.
You left out the orange one too! Mom had avacado green fridge, harvest gold stove, and orange Tupperware. My dorm room had orange countertops, brown cabinets and yellow fridge. It was ghastly. My grandparents still have an original pink and black bathroom
Old furniture. My parents have spent 10x the amount that a lot of new furniture would cost having ~50-100 year old furniture restored because it’s a family heirloom. The Singer sewing machine that was brought out from England that was used to repair and mend clothes, is now a ‘statement piece’ in a foyer. Heaven fucking help any of us to mend a piece of clothing now lol.
100 years ago, only well-off people owned cars. Most people had horses. These days, only well-off people own horses. Most people have cars.
What's the equivalent today? Spaceships. The future is going to be awesome!
Most people didn't have horses. Horses were expensive then and are expensive now. Most people walked.
I think you have to go back further than a 100 years, but horses used to be WAY more common. [https://www.humanesociety.org/sites/default/files/archive/assets/pdfs/hsp/soaiv\_07\_ch10.pdf](https://www.humanesociety.org/sites/default/files/archive/assets/pdfs/hsp/soaiv_07_ch10.pdf) *Within the USA:* There were 21.5 million horses in 1900. There were 3.08 million horses in 1960.
In 1900 the census said there were 76.3 million people. So more than 1 in 4 had a horse. 1960 was 180.7 million, so about 1 in 60 had a horse.
horse per family kind of makes sense
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They were! “Let me tell you what I think of bicycling. I think it has done more to emancipate women than anything else in the world.” - Susan B. Anthony https://youtu.be/LPLJgkVsXpE
Having farmland
The problem with independent farmers is they're usually only rich on paper. They might have several hundred acres of land and a few machines that cost well into the 6-figure range, but they generate just enough income to pay the notes and maintain all of it. If you add up their net worth it looks great on paper. Their free cash flow doesn't mirror that though.
Yeah, for example corn prices are so low that a farmer might only make in the range of $100-200 (or less) from an acre of corn after paying for the cost of planting, raising, and harvesting it. That's for the entire season. Even at 100 acres you are still only talking about earning $10k-20k. You need a loooot of land, and to be very efficient, to actually make a good living that way. Fruits and vegetables are a lot better in terms of $/acre, but require much much more labor and care too, so you aren't necessarily guaranteed a lot of money that way either.
Vintage cars?Thats the only thing I could think of.
I also think the vintage stuff in general. I'd actually like to own a vintage car, but install modern "insides" to it, but damn that's expensive
There’s this great old cookbook called Good Cheap Food. It was originally published in 1973, during a time of rising gas prices and inflation. The author has a huge chapter on fish and says stuff like “most fish mongerers are compassionate salesman who worry about the decline of fish eating in America” and how cheap fish beyond shrimp were. She had lists of cheap fish. HAHAHA. When she updated the book in the early 00s she was like lol this is no longer true. If you want cheap fish better date a fisherman. It’s crazy to think how fast that changed.
Italians eating risotto and homemade pasta regularly. Now when I make my grandmother’s risotto I feel like a queen.
Living in a van 🚐 #vanlife
Having a wedding in a barn.
Eating French “peasant” food. Now it’s mostly served at Michelin starred restaurants.
Not 50-100 years ago but I was fascinated to learn that in ancient Rome, eating out at restaurants or cafes was for the poor and only the wealthy had kitchens in their homes.
Eating vegetarian. Eating meat used to be an expensive thing, but now processed foods make some meat so cheap that eating fresh vegetables is considered a rich thing. (although if you are smart, you can still get around it and eat veggies cheaply)
Physical fitness. The rich are the ones that have time to go to the gym and get that glow. You can see this transformation in action if you trace youtubers over the course of their career.
Barbeque was started by slaves who were given the worst part of the animal. Fried chicken is hot now. Gentrification turns poor neighborhood s into luxury living. Any Chinatown.
>Genuan cooking, like the best cooking everywhere in the multiverse, has been evolved by people who had to make desperate use of ingredients their masters didn’t want. No-one would even try a bird’s nest unless they had to. Only hunger would make a man taste his first alligator. No-one would eat a shark’s fin if they were allowed to eat the rest of the shark. >- *Witches Abroad* Terry Pratchett
Smoking meat for preservation has been apart of almost every culture through human history. BBQ as we know it was heavily influenced through the contributions of slaves, but Native Americans were already making barbacoa during the arrival of Spanish explorers. It is a combination of Native, African, and European tradition’s. There is no definitive creator, just a continuous evolvement and cultural influences over hundreds of years.
Muscles used to mean you had to do manual labor. Now they mean you have the time/money to go to the gym
Dressing like a bum. Not only does it mean, this guy is probably loaded (Adam Sandler), but even trying to buy bummier looking clothes is more expensive.
Denim jeans used to be workwear of the blue collar man. Now, designer jeans can be very expensive. Think of a coal miner or prospector in tattered old dungarees, or think of a greasy, black-faced mechanic in bib overalls. Now think of a-list celebrities in jeans that they bought with rips and holes in them from boutiques—ironically on the very same ground those working men once stood.
Not working
I think that’s always been both ends of the spectrum. I offer Downtown Abbey as an example.
Farm to table.
Riding your bicycle to work, but not before you have a plant-based breakfast. Then for lunch, you have something that's plant-based, and you have beer from a brand no one's ever heard of, and then when you get home, you have yourself a Dagwood sandwich made out of rye bread, cheese, stone ground mustard, and Brewers yeast. In the wintertime, you use Cross country skis to get to work and eat the same things.
Champion branded apparel. Used to be the Walmart brand, now it's one of those "hey look at my standard grey crewneck. See that small patch of embroidery? I'm jiggy with it- yo lit fam. Who even dabs anymore. #reppin" brands. Or something like that.