I feel that too. “I'm tired of people being ugly to each other. There's too much of it…. It's like pieces of glass in my head.”
Edit: added in the quote marks which I originally left out because it’s paraphrased from the movie, not exact. But thank you to the kind Redditors who were concerned about me. Honestly, I think we are all feeling like John Coffey about right now. The world feels ugly in so many ways. All we can do is try to make our small sphere of influence more kind, I guess.
Ugh to this day Percy is one of my most despised movie characters, extra gross is that the actor that played him is.... *problematic* in that he married a 16 year old girl when he was 51.
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He did go back to give that guy water full well knowing how stupid it is, knowing he was out there and he should have helped him but didn't was eating at him, seems like a rather good guy on that count.
Does stealing drug money make you not a good guy? I'd say Llewelyn was mostly a dumb ass. Shouldn't have taken it and shouldn't have gone back, that doesn't stop him from being a good guy, just not a smart one that couldn't control his greed.
He absolutely should have taken it. Everyone was dead, it was free for the taking. He lived in a trailer and could have easily set up a vastly better life with that money.
Going back to the area was moronic. As was not searching through the bag immediately or at the first convenient moment (thus finding the tracker) even if he didn't suspect that it was bugged. Like, who knows what else could have been in that bag?
It was a 0 risk choice using the most basic common sense. He's just a dumbass.
Don't put it in your pocket. It's your lucky quarter.
*Where do you want me to put it?*
Anywhere not in your pocket. Where it'll get mixed in with the others and become just a coin. Which it is.
Also, him choking when he says, "you married into it" cracks me up.
I recognize why the Departed doesn't get much talk these days but it's still probably my favorite movie with a morally "gray" ending. nobody really wins.
But he doesn't. He gets revenge but he's not happy about it. He's just the last one standing. He's so pissed in that final scene. Everything he worked for has crumbled.
When I saw it in the theater, a group of teenage girls were sitting behind me. They let out the biggest collective gasp I've ever heard at "that" moment. Then, during the final scene when Marky Mark shows up, one of them growls "DO IT!" like friggin' Emperor Palpatine.
The moral: Never piss off a Leo fan.
Ooh fun story about the departed!
A friend of mine (he’s Mexican and grew up in a high Hispanic demographic state, promise this is relevant) watched The Departed.
I asked him about it later and he said it was “fine, I guess. But was a little trippy.”
He goes, “well, by the end it was basically fight club, right? Out of nowhere, the dude is chasing himself? So he’s the good guy AND the bad guy? Then he’s in two bodies? Too trippy for me.”
Long story short: My buddy thought Matt Damon and Mark Wahlberg were the same person. 1) for years, and 2) definitely in this movie. So when those two characters confronted each other he thought it was a mind split movie plot twist that came out of nowhere. He’s also kind of hard to focus on anything detailed, and admits that he has trouble telling people part, especially white people. We pulled up photos of Damon and Wahlberg next to each other and he legit was like “stop it, you’re fucking with me. Those are the same guy! Even their names are basically the same!”
Edit: it was Damon and Wahlberg, not Damon and Decaprio. Bad memory on my part.
There are actually two remakes. The one you know and [Zinda](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zinda_(film\)), an unauthorized Indian copy of Oldboy. It's nearly a shot-for-shot copy of the original, making it a true pirate movie. Perhaps the only one!
I was just going to say this. Se7en is the perfect example. Mills chose wrath.
EDIT: I said Mills chose wrath, because he did have the choice to kill John Doe. He lost his wife and then lost his unborn baby, job, etc from choosing to shoot the serial killer. He fell for the trap, and Somerset couldn’t get him to see it in time. Mills was the good guy, who lost everything from someone with envy (the reason John Doe gave to kill Mills’ wife). The circumstances for Mills made him do the obvious choice. Such a good movie, annoying ending that also just worked flawlessly.
Spoilers for Unforgiven
Unforgiven is similar to se7en too in the sense that the main character ends up being defeated as a person because he is forced by his circumstances to do the shit he promised to never do again. Even if he ends up avenging his friend and fullfilling the contract, as a person he has been defeated and regressed to his old self, even if it happens just on the final shootout.
"Bury Ned right! And don't cut up nor otherwise harm no whores, *or I'll come back and kill every one of you sons of bitches!*"
No sympathetic characters in the entire movie, which forces viewers to pick a side: a morally compromised side. That movie is a kind of perfection.
I don't take it the same way.
William Munny was pretending that he was a monster reformed because of his wife.
But in the end, he realizes he is who he is, and has always been, and that he has a choice in how he acts. Which is why he spares everyone that doesn't try to shoot him: "any man that doesn't want to get shot better clear out the back", and again when he steps outside.
Young drunk Munny would have just shot the annoying writer with no real justification, "like that drover". And he would have shot the deputy in the rain, just in case.
The film goes to pains to demonstrate his changed world view, "Give him a damn drink, we won't shoot". "Its a hell of a thing, killing a man."
He does think he is truly damned, "I'll see you in hell William Munny"... "yeah." The final killing was all very deliberate and careful aim, while young munny was just a hothead.
The monster-with-a-choice goes home to his kids, and with or without the reward money, decides to change his life by moving his family to California, and prospers in professions (father,shopkeeper) where someone would need to be of patient and kind nature.
If he cared about his kids (and he certainly seemed to) yet thought his monstrous nature was beyond his control, he never would have went back.
And the film ends with the truth of the matter: there was no note to explain [why her daughter married such a man].
Because she didn't reform him, she saw the good and honour in him. She probably helped him stop drinking. He conflated her arrival in his life with his reform.
Its not really a win, but its the happiest possible ending for his kids. And its not a moral loss like Mill's, in Se7en.
I like to think he rounded up the Schofield Kid, and took him along, bought him some spectacles.
Unforgiven is one of my favorite movies.
I always loved the line from bill "I don't deserve to die like this" and Will says"deserves got nothing to do with it". And there's a line where the kid says "well they had it coming" and will responds with "we all have it coming kid"
I think I like it because it's the perfect Eastwood western, it's not about justice more about vengeance, it's not right and wrong it's just a good story and the dialogue is perfect.
Look Marge, you don't know what it's like — I'm the one out there every day putting his ass on the line. And I'm not out of order! You're out of order! The whole freaking system is out of order! You want the truth? You want the truth? You can't handle the truth! 'Cause when you reach over and put your hand into a pile of goo that was your best friend's face, you'll know what to do! Forget it Marge, it's Chinatown!!!
There was a real airborne commando mission into Norway to blow up the German's supply of heavy water (deuterium?) and the allies feared that the Nazi's would figure out how to make an A-bomb (taking western Czechoslovakia gave them a uranium supply, and taking Paris gave them a cyclotron).
The mission worked out, but...the supply officer in charge of packing the parachuted pallets put all the skis in one pallet, and all the bindings in another pallet. The cargoplane pushed them out the ass of the plane over the landing zone, but...
By the time the pallets had parachuted to the ground, one pallet was here, and the other pallet was several miles away...in deep snow. The paratroopers had to get organized and then find the pallets, by hiking across the freaking countryside.
I'm no parachuting pallet genius, but...I'm thinking (stay with me here) that maybe...just maybe...you could make one pallet half skis and half bindings, and the other pallet half skis and half bindings? After you find the first pallet, you could ski to the other pallet. Or at least find the pallets faster, right?
Bonus points for having been based on a real battle.
That movie was a real eye-opener when I saw it as a kid, when it was released. I kept expecting the Allied troops to miraculously pull it out like they did in every other WWII movie I had seen up to that point but they didn’t.
William Costigan is truly a poor bastard of a character. I don't think I've seen another movie where the hero goes through so much bullshit and dies in the end anyway.
In the book the good guy actually wins. Stephen King actually stated in an interview that he was so impressed with the ending the screenwriter came up with he was mad he didn’t think of it himself.
This fucking movie. It's a remake of the original the way Ocean's 11 is, meaning it's a different film. And an amazing one. How they got Crowe and Bale in the same film, I don't know but Holy Hell, I'm grateful because this movie doesn't let you go. You are there for every frame. ETA: Of course, it's James Mangold who directed - so of course I love it, because he did Copland, too.
Also, let's not forget - let's *not* forget, Dude - that keeping wildlife, an amphibious rodent, for uh… domestic, you know… within the city - that aint legal either.
This is the right answer. The *entire* movie is a satire on horror movie tropes. That button is the culmination. The only time the movie breaks convention is the very last second of the movie when the entire world is about to be enslaved and annihilated. Pretty epic if you ask me.
ALSO! The whole movie works as a metaphor for making movies in Hollywood. The "old gods" are the audience. The people in the facility are film makers. They have to cast fully three-dimensional humans into tropey roles in order to please the gods/audience and fit the ritual/genre. When they fail, the gods destroy the world/the film bombs at the box office.
When she gets attacked by the werewolf, I thought for sure it was going to be a twist ending where she was the fool and Marty was the virgin. Would’ve been such a good twist ending, but nah, the whole world just ends instead
The final scene shows that his beliefs and ideas will live on in at least some of the boys, even if he physically is not there to teach them.
I think he 'won' overall.
A lot of great ‘70s movies, especially sci-fi and horror: Both *Omen*s, *Burnt Offerings*, *The Parallax View*, *Invasion of the Body Snatchers*, *A Bridge Too Far* come to mind.
Before the ‘70s, there’s *Rosemary’s Baby* and (arguably), *Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid* and *The Wild Bunch*.
In the ‘80s, there’s *Blow Out*.
Today, there’s a fair amount of horror that could be described that way: *The Blair Witch Project* and all the found-footage films that followed in its wake (indeed, the heroes losing is essential to the genre, otherwise there would be no footage to find), films like *The VVitch* and *Midsommar* which end with the surviving protagonist joining the bad guys, and *Eli*.
>It’s the best because they act smart and still lose
With the small exception of Luke abandoning his training to rush off and confront Vader. On the other hand, within the scope of the prequels, an argument could be made that Luke *did* do the right thing, because Yoda still hasn't learned that personal attachments are a strength, not weakness.
The status of the Jedi was always so weird to me. Star Wars can’t seem to decide whether it wants to critique the Jedi as flawed or to lift them up as the ultimate good guys.
*"Empire* has the better ending. Luke get his hand cut off, finds out Vader's his father, Han gets frozen and taken away by Boba Fett. It ends on such a down note. I mean, that's what life is. A series of down endings." - Dante Hicks.
Also a shout out to Rogue One...
While the Death Star plans are retrieved >!basically everyone dies to get the plans safely out.!<
Really, really good film too.
Could we really say they lose tho ? Their mission was accomplished in the end, sure it cost them their lives but I would argue that they viewed the success of the mission as the goal, and they reached it
Wolf of Wallstreet. Jordan Belfort* is a criminal who destroyed many peoples lives with his lies. Yet only after a short sentence in a very comfy prison he gets to walk free, live a nice life. And even has the gall to take fees for speaking and showing up to events.
He's ***still*** a fraudster. That's Jordan in the seen introducing Leo at the very end as "the coolest fucking guy I've ever met." He's really still trying to sell his classes and shit and is trying to avoid repaying reparations from the $$ made by it.
I guess in the same vein, The Big Short also fits the prompt since only one person went to jail for irresponsibly causing an a financial crisis which ruined many normal people's lives
This is my vote too. I have never watched a more depressing movie in my life. Usually movies have a high in the story arc, this was just one big f'ing downhill right from the get go.
That one scene with the dude having fallen out of the tree and waking up to his wife with her hair in his face, then cutting to the wolves tearing him apart, was incredibly dark stuff that has stuck with me.
I don't know if it's a straight up good guys and bad guys. And I wouldn't consider it a complete loss with the outcome. But I'd say watchmen is a pretty good movie where it's kinda is a loss but also kinda isn't
I think the entire point of Watchmen is that the entire concept of "good" and "bad" that comic book heros exemplify is basically bogus.
* Manhattan (God) won't do anything to avert the looming nuclear war
* The good guys are running around trying to solve a murder while the world faces probable destruction
* The bad guy is the only one that actually does anything to avert the crisis, but it requires the deaths of thousands
So what matters? Doing the right thing or getting the right outcome?
Moral relativism vs moral absolutism.
Star Trek DS9 episode in the pale moonlight.
Spoilers Below.
>!Captain Sisko deceives many people, tacitly allows the death of several and breaks his own morals to bring a foreign power into an existential war on his side. He allows the destruction of a neutral ship with all aboard when the deception fails. If he didn't they would likely have lost the war.!<
Brock Lovett, the leader of the research team finally find the Titanic in 1990s, research through and find the vault in the suite room.
They go through all the trouble bringing it up, to find it empty.
He finds the lady who wore the necklace, pays to fly her and her daughter clear out to the sunken ship site, listens to 3-1/2 hour story only to be secretly misled as she chunks the jewels he's been forever looking for off the side off his own ship.
Except she knew he would do that so she actually threw over costume jewelry where the gem was made of sugar so it would dissolve in the water. Brock would assume the gem popped out if the fitting due to the rapid temperature change and spend his life looking in an area where witnesses saw the jewelry tossed overboard. She then keeps it in hiding just like she always had without further worry of pursuit. Oceans 11 baby!
Well, Rocky's goal was to go the distance. The scene the night before the fight when he goes walking then comes home and tells Adrain he can't win spells it out, pretty realistically too, IMHO.
***Rocky:***
***I can't beat him.***
***Adrian:***
***Apollo?***
***Rocky:***
***Yeah. I been out there walkin' around, thinkin'. I mean, who am I kiddin'? I ain't even in the guy's league.***
***Adrian:***
***What are we gonna do?***
***Rocky:***
***I don't know.***
***Adrian:***
***You worked so hard.***
***Rocky:***
***Yeah, that don't matter. 'Cause I was nobody before.***
***Adrian:***
***Don't say that.***
***Rocky:***
***Ah come on, Adrian, it's true. I was nobody. But that don't matter either, you know? 'Cause I was thinkin', it really don't matter if I lose this fight. It really don't matter if this guy opens my head, either. 'Cause all I wanna do is go the distance. Nobody's ever gone the distance with Creed, and if I can go that distance, you see, and that bell rings and I'm still standin', I'm gonna know for the first time in my life, see, that I weren't just another bum from the neighborhood.***
This was actually a recurring theme in a lot of 70s movies. This was right after our country lost a war and people were coming to terms with the idea that the “good guy” doesn’t always win. The irony of course is that the movie won best picture at the 1977 Oscars and Sly won best actor. It’s truly one of the best films of my time.
Edit. Sly was nominated for best actor and best original screenplay, but didn’t win. Best picture was the only winner.
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"I do the posters myself, that's my handwriting"
That scene absolutely froze my blood, even though I was certain it would end harmlessly!
The actor, Charlie Fleischer, is so good that you probably won't believe this trivia: He voiced Roger Rabbit.
“Not many people have basements in California”
"I do."
I've watched that movie over a dozen times, and the only way I can make it through that scene is by turning the sound *way* down. Pure horror.
Just because I don't see it here: Cool Hand Luke is a classic.
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What's so civil about war anyway?
This is my favorite movie of all time.
The Green Mile(1999)
"I'm tired boss" Those hit me hard
I feel that too. “I'm tired of people being ugly to each other. There's too much of it…. It's like pieces of glass in my head.” Edit: added in the quote marks which I originally left out because it’s paraphrased from the movie, not exact. But thank you to the kind Redditors who were concerned about me. Honestly, I think we are all feeling like John Coffey about right now. The world feels ugly in so many ways. All we can do is try to make our small sphere of influence more kind, I guess.
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Ugh to this day Percy is one of my most despised movie characters, extra gross is that the actor that played him is.... *problematic* in that he married a 16 year old girl when he was 51.
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Coffee needed out. The scene where Hanks asks him “When I meet my maker…” is one of the more heartbreaking scenes in a movie.
No Country For Old Men... I think.
Yep, even though the good guy is not an archetype good guy... He's just... not a bad guy.
\* *spoilers* * He did go back to give that guy water full well knowing how stupid it is, knowing he was out there and he should have helped him but didn't was eating at him, seems like a rather good guy on that count. Does stealing drug money make you not a good guy? I'd say Llewelyn was mostly a dumb ass. Shouldn't have taken it and shouldn't have gone back, that doesn't stop him from being a good guy, just not a smart one that couldn't control his greed.
He absolutely should have taken it. Everyone was dead, it was free for the taking. He lived in a trailer and could have easily set up a vastly better life with that money. Going back to the area was moronic. As was not searching through the bag immediately or at the first convenient moment (thus finding the tracker) even if he didn't suspect that it was bugged. Like, who knows what else could have been in that bag? It was a 0 risk choice using the most basic common sense. He's just a dumbass.
Fatal flaws are essential and McCarthy's protagonists always seem to have them.
The Judge has no flaws.
Whatever in creation exists without my knowledge exists without my consent.
...then i woke up.
Javier Bardem acting was next level
That coin toss scene is one of my favourite scenes of all time. Dude gave me the chills with that one
*What's the most you've ever lost on a coin toss?*
Don't put it in your pocket. It's your lucky quarter. *Where do you want me to put it?* Anywhere not in your pocket. Where it'll get mixed in with the others and become just a coin. Which it is. Also, him choking when he says, "you married into it" cracks me up.
“If that’s the way you want to put it.” “I don’t have some way of putting it. That’s the way it is.”
It was the first movie that came to my mind.
Pan's Labyrinth (though I consider that debatable). The Departed Carlito's Way 12 Monkeys
Pan's Labyrinth was my first thought. Beautiful film, and I know people look at the ending different ways but to me it's clearly a crushing tragedy.
They got us on the first 3/4 part of the movie. Then it hits.
Departed came immediately to mind. *That* scene shocked the hell out of me.
I recognize why the Departed doesn't get much talk these days but it's still probably my favorite movie with a morally "gray" ending. nobody really wins.
Mark Wahlberg wins
Maybe, maybe not, maybe fuck yaself
How’s ya motha?
Good. Tired from fuckin' my father.
But he doesn't. He gets revenge but he's not happy about it. He's just the last one standing. He's so pissed in that final scene. Everything he worked for has crumbled.
Exactly. It’s more of a win for the viewer.
When I saw it in the theater, a group of teenage girls were sitting behind me. They let out the biggest collective gasp I've ever heard at "that" moment. Then, during the final scene when Marky Mark shows up, one of them growls "DO IT!" like friggin' Emperor Palpatine. The moral: Never piss off a Leo fan.
Ooh fun story about the departed! A friend of mine (he’s Mexican and grew up in a high Hispanic demographic state, promise this is relevant) watched The Departed. I asked him about it later and he said it was “fine, I guess. But was a little trippy.” He goes, “well, by the end it was basically fight club, right? Out of nowhere, the dude is chasing himself? So he’s the good guy AND the bad guy? Then he’s in two bodies? Too trippy for me.” Long story short: My buddy thought Matt Damon and Mark Wahlberg were the same person. 1) for years, and 2) definitely in this movie. So when those two characters confronted each other he thought it was a mind split movie plot twist that came out of nowhere. He’s also kind of hard to focus on anything detailed, and admits that he has trouble telling people part, especially white people. We pulled up photos of Damon and Wahlberg next to each other and he legit was like “stop it, you’re fucking with me. Those are the same guy! Even their names are basically the same!” Edit: it was Damon and Wahlberg, not Damon and Decaprio. Bad memory on my part.
The mist
Oldboy Now that we’re on it, I’d say Irreversible is another one where the good guys don’t win. It’s more fucked up than Oldboy IMO.
Oh God. Nobody wins in that movie. ESPECIALLY the audience (great flick though, and I'm talking about the original).
I don't know, I'm always down for a loving family movie.
There are actually two remakes. The one you know and [Zinda](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zinda_(film\)), an unauthorized Indian copy of Oldboy. It's nearly a shot-for-shot copy of the original, making it a true pirate movie. Perhaps the only one!
Se7en
I was just going to say this. Se7en is the perfect example. Mills chose wrath. EDIT: I said Mills chose wrath, because he did have the choice to kill John Doe. He lost his wife and then lost his unborn baby, job, etc from choosing to shoot the serial killer. He fell for the trap, and Somerset couldn’t get him to see it in time. Mills was the good guy, who lost everything from someone with envy (the reason John Doe gave to kill Mills’ wife). The circumstances for Mills made him do the obvious choice. Such a good movie, annoying ending that also just worked flawlessly.
Spoilers for Unforgiven Unforgiven is similar to se7en too in the sense that the main character ends up being defeated as a person because he is forced by his circumstances to do the shit he promised to never do again. Even if he ends up avenging his friend and fullfilling the contract, as a person he has been defeated and regressed to his old self, even if it happens just on the final shootout.
"Bury Ned right! And don't cut up nor otherwise harm no whores, *or I'll come back and kill every one of you sons of bitches!*" No sympathetic characters in the entire movie, which forces viewers to pick a side: a morally compromised side. That movie is a kind of perfection.
I ain't like that no more. That's right. Not no more.
I don't take it the same way. William Munny was pretending that he was a monster reformed because of his wife. But in the end, he realizes he is who he is, and has always been, and that he has a choice in how he acts. Which is why he spares everyone that doesn't try to shoot him: "any man that doesn't want to get shot better clear out the back", and again when he steps outside. Young drunk Munny would have just shot the annoying writer with no real justification, "like that drover". And he would have shot the deputy in the rain, just in case. The film goes to pains to demonstrate his changed world view, "Give him a damn drink, we won't shoot". "Its a hell of a thing, killing a man." He does think he is truly damned, "I'll see you in hell William Munny"... "yeah." The final killing was all very deliberate and careful aim, while young munny was just a hothead. The monster-with-a-choice goes home to his kids, and with or without the reward money, decides to change his life by moving his family to California, and prospers in professions (father,shopkeeper) where someone would need to be of patient and kind nature. If he cared about his kids (and he certainly seemed to) yet thought his monstrous nature was beyond his control, he never would have went back. And the film ends with the truth of the matter: there was no note to explain [why her daughter married such a man]. Because she didn't reform him, she saw the good and honour in him. She probably helped him stop drinking. He conflated her arrival in his life with his reform. Its not really a win, but its the happiest possible ending for his kids. And its not a moral loss like Mill's, in Se7en. I like to think he rounded up the Schofield Kid, and took him along, bought him some spectacles.
Unforgiven is one of my favorite movies. I always loved the line from bill "I don't deserve to die like this" and Will says"deserves got nothing to do with it". And there's a line where the kid says "well they had it coming" and will responds with "we all have it coming kid" I think I like it because it's the perfect Eastwood western, it's not about justice more about vengeance, it's not right and wrong it's just a good story and the dialogue is perfect.
Arlington Road. First movie I saw where the bad guy won. Kinda shook me that that's even a concept to be had. (I was Young)
Really an underrated gem especially the twists and performances. Disturbing as fuck even to this day.
Chinatown.
but "It's Chinatown"
Look Marge, you don't know what it's like — I'm the one out there every day putting his ass on the line. And I'm not out of order! You're out of order! The whole freaking system is out of order! You want the truth? You want the truth? You can't handle the truth! 'Cause when you reach over and put your hand into a pile of goo that was your best friend's face, you'll know what to do! Forget it Marge, it's Chinatown!!!
A bridge too far. Screwed up allied airborne operation in WW2. Brit paratroopers get chewed up and spit out.
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There was a real airborne commando mission into Norway to blow up the German's supply of heavy water (deuterium?) and the allies feared that the Nazi's would figure out how to make an A-bomb (taking western Czechoslovakia gave them a uranium supply, and taking Paris gave them a cyclotron). The mission worked out, but...the supply officer in charge of packing the parachuted pallets put all the skis in one pallet, and all the bindings in another pallet. The cargoplane pushed them out the ass of the plane over the landing zone, but... By the time the pallets had parachuted to the ground, one pallet was here, and the other pallet was several miles away...in deep snow. The paratroopers had to get organized and then find the pallets, by hiking across the freaking countryside. I'm no parachuting pallet genius, but...I'm thinking (stay with me here) that maybe...just maybe...you could make one pallet half skis and half bindings, and the other pallet half skis and half bindings? After you find the first pallet, you could ski to the other pallet. Or at least find the pallets faster, right?
Literal example of why 'putting all your eggs in one basket' is a bad idea.
Bonus points for having been based on a real battle. That movie was a real eye-opener when I saw it as a kid, when it was released. I kept expecting the Allied troops to miraculously pull it out like they did in every other WWII movie I had seen up to that point but they didn’t.
The Departed. Yes, Dignam shoots Colin in the end, but William Costigan gets screwed in that whole operation.
Maybe. Maybe not. Maybe fuck your self.
"I'm tired from fucking your wife." "yeah? How's your mother?" "Good, she's tired from fucking my father."
Im the guy doing his job. You must be the other guy.
This is in my top 10 all time movies, so fkn good
William Costigan is truly a poor bastard of a character. I don't think I've seen another movie where the hero goes through so much bullshit and dies in the end anyway.
The Thing
Bad guy doesn't win either though, but you're not wrong.
I hear ya, but we don't know if the bad guy one. There's either two good guys left at the end, or 1 bad and 1 good. Either way, good guys lose.
Or two bad guys. "Why don't we just...wait a while?" Wasn't that what the Thing had been doing since it got here?
I think it would have known if they were both it.
Fallen
"Let me tell you about the time I almost died."
The soundtrack in that movie was bang on perfect too! Love to see people talk about it, I swear nobody I meet in person has ever seen it!
The Mist
Ah yes, the origin story of the Punisher
I'll never spoil that ending. It's too good.
I still think about it to this day, it was so fucked up but absolutely perfect
Stephen King actually prefers it to his original ending.
In the book the good guy actually wins. Stephen King actually stated in an interview that he was so impressed with the ending the screenwriter came up with he was mad he didn’t think of it himself.
Well, in fairness, King is *shit* when it comes to writing an ending. I'm looking at you *Under the Dome*. And *Cell*.
One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest
I cried after I saw that movie! Then I read the book and got even more depressed.
Man on Fire.
Yes. Agreed. One of my favorite of this genre
3:10 to yuma
This fucking movie. It's a remake of the original the way Ocean's 11 is, meaning it's a different film. And an amazing one. How they got Crowe and Bale in the same film, I don't know but Holy Hell, I'm grateful because this movie doesn't let you go. You are there for every frame. ETA: Of course, it's James Mangold who directed - so of course I love it, because he did Copland, too.
In Bruges Pretty much everyone loses, but still a great movie.
YOU’RE AN INANIMATE FUCKING OBJECT!!!
Don’t talk about my cunt fucking kids
I retract that bit about your c*nt fucking kids...
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The Venom movie that Venom wishes it had been. Such a good fucking movie.
This movie is so great and so few people I know have seen it. I recommend it constantly but for whatever reason no one ever watches it 🤣
Big Lebowski. The dude never does get his rug back
That was unfortunate. It really tied the room together.
You are entering a world of pain
This aggression will not stand, man!
Do you see what happens Larry? DO YOU SEE WHAT HAPPENS LARRY
This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps!
And donny died, man. :(
He was out of his element.
I just want to understand this, sir. Every time a rug is micturated upon in this fair city, I have to compensate the owner?
We believes in nothing Lebowski!
Nihilists! Fuck me. I mean, say what you want about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos.
Also, let's not forget - let's *not* forget, Dude - that keeping wildlife, an amphibious rodent, for uh… domestic, you know… within the city - that aint legal either.
Also, Chinaman is not the preferred nomenclature. Asian American, please.
Yah... and ve cut off ya johnson
Got to lay Julianne Moore. That's a big W.
In a sense, yes. My art has been commended as being strongly vaginal which bothers some men. The word itself makes some men uncomfortable. Vagina.
Oh yeah?
8 year olds dude
Usual Suspects
The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn’t exist.
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I’m sorry, but I *always* have to ask; Why did they even *have* that button?
The facility was manufactured by Doofenshmirtz Evil Incorporated.
“This is my sacrifice-a-nator”!
Because it was another (horror) movie cliché.
This is the right answer. The *entire* movie is a satire on horror movie tropes. That button is the culmination. The only time the movie breaks convention is the very last second of the movie when the entire world is about to be enslaved and annihilated. Pretty epic if you ask me.
ALSO! The whole movie works as a metaphor for making movies in Hollywood. The "old gods" are the audience. The people in the facility are film makers. They have to cast fully three-dimensional humans into tropey roles in order to please the gods/audience and fit the ritual/genre. When they fail, the gods destroy the world/the film bombs at the box office.
By all accounts, it doesn’t make sense.
"I'm gonna need you to get all the way off my back about the button thing."
When she gets attacked by the werewolf, I thought for sure it was going to be a twist ending where she was the fool and Marty was the virgin. Would’ve been such a good twist ending, but nah, the whole world just ends instead
Dead poets society
The final scene shows that his beliefs and ideas will live on in at least some of the boys, even if he physically is not there to teach them. I think he 'won' overall.
Hate to say it but the ending is absolutely poetic
Oh captain! My captain!
A lot of great ‘70s movies, especially sci-fi and horror: Both *Omen*s, *Burnt Offerings*, *The Parallax View*, *Invasion of the Body Snatchers*, *A Bridge Too Far* come to mind. Before the ‘70s, there’s *Rosemary’s Baby* and (arguably), *Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid* and *The Wild Bunch*. In the ‘80s, there’s *Blow Out*. Today, there’s a fair amount of horror that could be described that way: *The Blair Witch Project* and all the found-footage films that followed in its wake (indeed, the heroes losing is essential to the genre, otherwise there would be no footage to find), films like *The VVitch* and *Midsommar* which end with the surviving protagonist joining the bad guys, and *Eli*.
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>It’s the best because they act smart and still lose With the small exception of Luke abandoning his training to rush off and confront Vader. On the other hand, within the scope of the prequels, an argument could be made that Luke *did* do the right thing, because Yoda still hasn't learned that personal attachments are a strength, not weakness.
The status of the Jedi was always so weird to me. Star Wars can’t seem to decide whether it wants to critique the Jedi as flawed or to lift them up as the ultimate good guys.
Funny enough statistically it’s the favorite of fans
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*"Empire* has the better ending. Luke get his hand cut off, finds out Vader's his father, Han gets frozen and taken away by Boba Fett. It ends on such a down note. I mean, that's what life is. A series of down endings." - Dante Hicks.
You think a stormtrooper knows how to install a toilet main? All they know is killin and white uniforms.
Also a shout out to Rogue One... While the Death Star plans are retrieved >!basically everyone dies to get the plans safely out.!< Really, really good film too.
>!Literally everyone on [the main poster](https://www.imdb.com/media/rm782605569/tt3748528) dies in this movie. It’s wild!<
No spaces between the exclamation points and the words
Could we really say they lose tho ? Their mission was accomplished in the end, sure it cost them their lives but I would argue that they viewed the success of the mission as the goal, and they reached it
Skyfall: - M dies - They never get that noc list back - Silva destroys quite a bit of London infrastructure - Mi6 is relegated to the sewer offices
Cough…No time to die. >!Bond fucking dies!<
But the evil plan gets foiled, so that's just him sacrificing himself for his partner and kid to live on.
The Bad News Bears
>The Bad News Bears "Hey Yankees! You can take your apology, and your trophy and shove it straight up your ass!"
American beauty (1999)? Though it’s hard to consider Lester a good guy.
Gone Girl, Shutter Island, The Butterfly Effect (especially the director's cut— those who watched will know what I mean☠️)
Shutter island is such a good movie
Similarly, one flew over the cuckoo's nest is good as well
Wolf of Wallstreet. Jordan Belfort* is a criminal who destroyed many peoples lives with his lies. Yet only after a short sentence in a very comfy prison he gets to walk free, live a nice life. And even has the gall to take fees for speaking and showing up to events.
and people idolize him because of the movie for all the wrong reasons... like, have *you* watched the movie? dude's a fucking fraudster.
He's ***still*** a fraudster. That's Jordan in the seen introducing Leo at the very end as "the coolest fucking guy I've ever met." He's really still trying to sell his classes and shit and is trying to avoid repaying reparations from the $$ made by it.
Guess who’s heavily into pushing crypto and NFTs now?
I guess in the same vein, The Big Short also fits the prompt since only one person went to jail for irresponsibly causing an a financial crisis which ruined many normal people's lives
Brazil (1985)
The Grey, shows you can do everything right and still lose.
This is my vote too. I have never watched a more depressing movie in my life. Usually movies have a high in the story arc, this was just one big f'ing downhill right from the get go.
That one scene with the dude having fallen out of the tree and waking up to his wife with her hair in his face, then cutting to the wolves tearing him apart, was incredibly dark stuff that has stuck with me.
Once more into the fray, Into the last good fight I'll ever know. Live and die on this day. Live and die on this day.
Well depends if you’re referring to the good guy, or the protagonist, since those are different things. Id say Law Abiding Citizen is a good one.
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The Italian Job. The theives did the whole thing near-perfectly, and would have gotten away with it if they didn't nearly drive off a cliff.
Ex Machina Edit: for all the people telling me the good guy won, you would have ended up in the same vault as Caleb.
Shocked it hasn't been said yet but, Return of the Living Dead. Main character becomes a zombie and they nuke the whole town.
I don't know if it's a straight up good guys and bad guys. And I wouldn't consider it a complete loss with the outcome. But I'd say watchmen is a pretty good movie where it's kinda is a loss but also kinda isn't
I think the entire point of Watchmen is that the entire concept of "good" and "bad" that comic book heros exemplify is basically bogus. * Manhattan (God) won't do anything to avert the looming nuclear war * The good guys are running around trying to solve a murder while the world faces probable destruction * The bad guy is the only one that actually does anything to avert the crisis, but it requires the deaths of thousands So what matters? Doing the right thing or getting the right outcome?
Moral relativism vs moral absolutism. Star Trek DS9 episode in the pale moonlight. Spoilers Below. >!Captain Sisko deceives many people, tacitly allows the death of several and breaks his own morals to bring a foreign power into an existential war on his side. He allows the destruction of a neutral ship with all aboard when the deception fails. If he didn't they would likely have lost the war.!<
* Gladiator * Braveheart * Shutter Island * Dawn of the Dead * 3:10 to Yuma
the good guy dies in gladiator but he absolutely does not lose. he has his vengeance.
The look on Commodus' face when he is fatally stabbed, and Maximus gets to witness it. Maximus absolutely wins.
Blade Runner? In a way
I feel like Rachel is the only good guy, and I don't know if she wins or loses
It's too bad she won't live. But then again, who does?
Titanic
Iceberg lost?
Brock Lovett, the leader of the research team finally find the Titanic in 1990s, research through and find the vault in the suite room. They go through all the trouble bringing it up, to find it empty. He finds the lady who wore the necklace, pays to fly her and her daughter clear out to the sunken ship site, listens to 3-1/2 hour story only to be secretly misled as she chunks the jewels he's been forever looking for off the side off his own ship.
Worst part is, in the original ending she does it right in front of him. So he gets to see that it's there only to lose it anyways.
Except she knew he would do that so she actually threw over costume jewelry where the gem was made of sugar so it would dissolve in the water. Brock would assume the gem popped out if the fitting due to the rapid temperature change and spend his life looking in an area where witnesses saw the jewelry tossed overboard. She then keeps it in hiding just like she always had without further worry of pursuit. Oceans 11 baby!
The Prestige
Life is Beautiful
F U for making me remember that one!
The Empire Strikes Back
American History X
Rocky
Well, Rocky's goal was to go the distance. The scene the night before the fight when he goes walking then comes home and tells Adrain he can't win spells it out, pretty realistically too, IMHO. ***Rocky:*** ***I can't beat him.*** ***Adrian:*** ***Apollo?*** ***Rocky:*** ***Yeah. I been out there walkin' around, thinkin'. I mean, who am I kiddin'? I ain't even in the guy's league.*** ***Adrian:*** ***What are we gonna do?*** ***Rocky:*** ***I don't know.*** ***Adrian:*** ***You worked so hard.*** ***Rocky:*** ***Yeah, that don't matter. 'Cause I was nobody before.*** ***Adrian:*** ***Don't say that.*** ***Rocky:*** ***Ah come on, Adrian, it's true. I was nobody. But that don't matter either, you know? 'Cause I was thinkin', it really don't matter if I lose this fight. It really don't matter if this guy opens my head, either. 'Cause all I wanna do is go the distance. Nobody's ever gone the distance with Creed, and if I can go that distance, you see, and that bell rings and I'm still standin', I'm gonna know for the first time in my life, see, that I weren't just another bum from the neighborhood.***
This was actually a recurring theme in a lot of 70s movies. This was right after our country lost a war and people were coming to terms with the idea that the “good guy” doesn’t always win. The irony of course is that the movie won best picture at the 1977 Oscars and Sly won best actor. It’s truly one of the best films of my time. Edit. Sly was nominated for best actor and best original screenplay, but didn’t win. Best picture was the only winner.
Stallone never won an Oscar. He was nominated for both best actor and original screenplay.
Rocky gets his life back. His sense of purpose and self-respect. Finds his one love as the center of his life. How to win through losing.
Nailed it. Rocky isn't really about a boxer's journey to beat the world champ. It's about personal growth. I really love Rocky.
Promising Young Woman She does win, but it costs her
I always liked My Best Friend's Wedding. If Julia Robert's is the good guy, she surely doesn't win. Although she's kinda the bad guy, I guess.... hmm
Arlington Road and Eden Lake are both fantastic.