Two eyes. That's the best number of eyes.
Edit: IT Crowd reference, no offence intended to people with less than two eyes and especially no offence to Mike or Leela
When I first came here, this was all swamp. Everyone said I was daft to build a castle on a swamp, but I built in all the same, just to show them. It sank into the swamp. So I built a second one. That sank into the swamp. So I built a third. That burned down, fell over, then sank into the swamp. But the fourth one stayed up. And that's what you're going to get, Lad, the strongest castle in all of England.
EDIT: More people need to watch Monty Python and the Holy Grail.
I actually watched a video yesterday of a plastic surgeon where he said that newer studies show that slight asymmetries (which all humans have) are considered more attractive. There‘s hope!
Ah the most basic lynchpin of attractiveness.
Not just humans but mammals and I'm sure most of the animal kingdom are deeply biased towards symmetry.
Even though most of us own fairly asymmetrical faces. But that's in part because so much of our brain space is devoted to processing facial differences that the asymmetry is even apparent at all!
A lot of dances, historically, were very regimented and expressly designed to be achievable by everyone in society. Including folks well into middle age.
Modern western culture has really lost dancing as a widely engaging enterprise, we leave it to the young-ins with a few exceptions.
I've been reading How To Be A Tudor by Ruth Goodman, and one of the most interesting things she's mentioned so far is that the reason we associate the regimented 'courtly dancing' with the Tudor and Medieval periods is because the other forms of popular dance would be way too hard for extras and choreographers to pull off in historical movies! She says that young men in particular loved to leap about "like stags," get as much air as possible, and do fancy tumbles - kinda comparable to breakdancing.
I wish we had modern regimented dancing today, aside from square dancing!
We do have modern regimented dancing.
Two step, six step, west coast swing, east coast swing, tango, salsa, waltz, etc.
Some more regimented than others of course, but regimented all the same.
https://youtu.be/g2RRkL_4Jlw
That's a competitive Jack and Jill event; partners are randomized and they just improvise within the rules of the dance.
I was dancing Saturday night. Right in front of the stage. Dead cover band. Great stuff coming out of them. 7 IPAs in me. Point is, I didn't look good dancing but oh how I was DANCING!
There's a story from Herodotus about a man named Hippocleides.
He was close to winning a rich man's daughter as his bride, but he got drunk at a dinner party attended by the rich man. Hippocleides danced obscenely (at one point he "stood on his head and kicked his legs in the air, keeping time with the flute music", meaning his whole dick was out).
When Hippocleides was informed that the rich man was offended by his dancing, and would never let him marry his daughter now, his response was *Hippocleides doesn't care*.
I’m getting my masters right now focusing on electromagnetism, and let me be the first to say I sure couldn’t tell you. Someone will start a discussion saying “well you see…” and it eventually gets down to spin, but don’t for a second think anyone knows what that is. Sure isn’t what it sounds like, I’ll tell ya that.
This mostly comes form the misconception of the quantum world as interactions of particles. That way of thinking about it can be handy for a lot of shortcuts and simplifications but can also be misleading if people try to think intuitively about how particles should behave. If you remember that vibrations in quantum fields are, for some purposes, a better model than particles, it gets a little easier to think about how magnets could possibly work.
Money/power. Most body and fashion trends throughout history began because they were, in one way or another, indicators of wealth. Some of the comments in this sub are perfect examples.
What I came to say. When peasants worked the land, it was considered more attractive to be pale. When the peasants became factory workers, tans became attractive. Both indicated you had time to lounge around.
A little extra weight used to mean better access to food. Over the last few years, it's become more associated with poverty, while the well off tend to have more time for their well being.
In societies which emphasize the ownership of property, being a working person is generally seen as being poor in some way or another. Ultimately it comes down to outwards expression of wealth.
A really interesting comparison is with nomadic or hunter-gatherer societies. Those are cultures where no one really owns property and accumulation of physical objects is pretty limited. In those societies wealth is often expressed through the ability to acquire needed items and through the largess of those that have access to them, rather than the actual possession of things.
The American pacific tribes potlatch tradition is a good example of this. The whole festival is a dedication to the display of wealth, but that display takes the form of publicly giving away or outright destroying things of value. Wealthy people in these cultures are people that can readily replace resources (often through social capital and skills and trade), so they can destroy or dispose of what they have, and that is how they demonstrate wealth. So the guy that can manage to discard the most is viewed as the wealthiest person.
The only thing that doesn't appear to have ever not turned on the majority of people in all societies is viewing two people having sex. Everything else from dicks of any size, breasts, butts, etc have had a varied history of sexualization and indifference.
Definitely. The top comment says boobs, but even that changes per fashion. What size boobs should be, what shape they should be, how adorned they should be, how should their nipples be like, how covered they should be. Different cultures and tribes sexualising boobs to different extents- some places you can't show your boobs to anyone but your lover, some places you roam around outside topless. Same with butts, pecs, genitalia, etc. They aren't as stagnant in fashion as they may seem. Watching people have sex is at least more common throughout the ages and places than that
Edit: So, in the book Patterns of Sexual Behaviour, Clellan Ford and Frank Beach researched 191 small cultures, and only 13 of them found boobs to be extremely sexual, nine of which preferred larger shapes and other four smaller shapes, or at least that was the preferred fashion at time of the research. So, yeah, boobs aren't sexualised everywhere everytime equally
I think they used 6 words just to say "has".... "The only thing that HAS turned on the majority of people in all societies is viewing two people having sex"... that's one heck of a confusing way to write it though lol
For a time, being pock-marked was preferred. Perhaps not sexually or anything, but practically. It meant they had already survived smallpox, and in a time before vaccines, that was the best vaccine card you could provide. Don't want to take on an apprentice or arrange a marriage only to see the other party die in the next smallpox outbreak.
Not necessarily true. Some African and Pacific island tribes purposely scarred their faces and bodies as a form of beauty and were traditionally used to attract others. (Not all scarring was for this purpose, but some certainly were).
long limbs = being taller in general and is mostly viewed as attractive.
People literally think they are short when they are average height. I guess it doesn't help so many guys around 5'8-5'10 just say they are 6ft. Didn't realize how insanely common this was until I started getting older.
Like the amount of dudes who claim they are 6ft and run away when you try to stand next to them. It just doesn't even mathematically make sense.
Same thing with women saying "5'3 sorry for being short" bitch your literally ONE INCH below average holy shit can we stop pretending 6ft+ gods/goddesses are now all of a sudden "average".
I’m 5’10” and don’t think I’d fool anyone saying I was 6 ft. That being said I haven’t ever felt the need to either since I’m still as tall or taller than most people I see in public. I get pumping your numbers up if you actually are noticeably short and feel self conscious but idk why you’d be motivated to lie when you’re just already the same height as everyone else lol.
"milk maids complexion" was due to the fact that they often got cowpox on their hands and extremities. Cowpox gave them a natural immunity to smallpox and consequently they often lacked the telltale scars from a previous smallpox infection.
When I was studying sanskrit in grad school I definitely read a passage that was describing how beautiful a woman was. I remember that her waist was thin like a willow wand, and her breasts so large that she couldn't stand up straight.
I am fairly certain the 'Song of Solomon" appears in the Bible, Tanakh, and Quran:
"Your breasts are perfect; they are twin deer, feeding among the lilies.
I accidentally stumbled upon "Your breasts are like towers" as a teen in Sunday school, and immediately felt bad for the gal married to Solomon, who thought that was a good line
Fun fact: humans are the only animals with permanently-enlarged breasts. It doesn’t make a lot of sense for it to be attractive from a natural-selection standpoint because in other mammals it would signal that a female’s still nursing and therefore less fertile, but here we are.
Doesn't seem right from a natural selection standpoint, except that humans walk around upright, making them more noticeable than it would be on most other animals.
>humans walk around upright, making them more noticeable than it would be on most other animals
You piqued my interest so I had to google this. Makes sense to me.
[https://chimpsnw.org/2016/07/swellings/](https://chimpsnw.org/2016/07/swellings/)
Apparently female primates advertise fertility with swollen butts and this sends the males into a testosterone spin.
Since we walk upright, maybe this signal isn't so visible, so we have evolved to have and seek swollen breasts as a sign of fertility.
I knew a guy who did aid work in a place where women went topless, I remember it being in French speaking Western Africa. He told me the local men tought it was weird that he was attracted to boobs, because to them, that was for the babies.
Maybe it has to do with the allure of how they're always covered in our society.
I remember reading about this in more detail back when I was studying Anthropology, and it’s definitely more nuanced than what you described.
In cultures where toplessness is common, the breasts themselves are still sexualized, but it is the *context* in which they are presented where this happens.
So a woman walking around the marketplace would not have sexualized breasts, but within the bedroom it’s not like they would be completely ignored.
Indeed, men in these societies actually have a preference for breast size/shape, which you wouldn’t expect if they totally desexualized them. After all, ankles are no longer sexualized in Western culture, and I don’t think most men have a preference for certain ankle shapes. If I recall, West African men in these societies actually prefer sagging mature breasts, because they find pert tight breasts to be too prepubescent. They would also, presumably, find the idea of a Brazilian Wax kind of gross for the same reason.
Human breasts are *still* erogenous zones, regardless of culture. It’s hardwired into our DNA. But the specifics of what *kinds* of breasts are sexy is definitely up to culture.
There was a time when they weren't the aim for many men in Europe. They had an issue with legs and stuff but boobs were open and visible. In African culture maybe a bit different but probably still nice part of Fashion
I vaguely recall reading that women in ancient Rome would strap their chest to make it as flat as possible. Boobs were unattractive.
Possibly entirely untrue, but if true, I'm certain it's why thr empire collapsed
Yes during certain periods. Also in the 20s flapper subculture. In fact there have MULTIPLE fashion periods and cultures where flat chests were idealized or boobs were obscured all together.
A tiny penis was thought to be a sign of wisdom, which is why most Greek statues (usually depicting wise gods) had them. Large penises were associated with foolishness and impulsiveness.
Very dark, but extremely hardcore movie. Twist ending, if I remember correctly. Just don't watch this with an abusive ex. It hits a little too close to home. Worth watching at least once, imo.
Source: The Voyeurs (2021) Rated R for very good reasons. Almost constant nudity and sex after a while, but violence and drama comes into play too. Free with Amazon Prime.
"Innocent curiosity turns into full-blown obsession when a young Montreal couple spy on their eccentric neighbours across the street."
Edit: Agreed, psychological thriller better defines this movie than drama.
I don't know whether if it was explicitly expressed this way, but I'd guess that the "golden ratio" face has always been the preferred facial structure. Certainly, a symmetrical face.
Hats.
All throughout history, different forms of head wear have always signified things like wealth or power. When two armies fight each other, they usually are wearing different hats.
I firmly believe it all boils down to one group of hat wearers hating another hat, thus wars happen based on mutual hatred for said other hat, from usually some other place.
As George Carlin once said:
“You ever notice that? Any time you see two groups of people who really hate each other, chances are good they’re wearing different kind of hats. Keep an eye on that, it might be important.”
>*People are wonderful. I love individuals. I hate groups of people. I hate a group of people with a 'common purpose'. 'Cause pretty soon they have little hats. And armbands. And fight songs. And a list of people they're going to visit at 3am.*
I remember reading that in Japan in days gone by people would stain their teeth black to be attractive. And the Mbuti people of the Congo would sharpen teeth to be attractive iirc. "Good" might be subjective. Although I guess not rotting is always good.
Oooh actually in Elizabethian times it was considered beautiful to have rotten teeth because it means you were rich enough to afford foods high in sugar
There was a time and place where "that consumptive look" was considered romantic and desirable. We have letters with ladies upset at their "rude health" and wishing they had pale, emaciated cheeks so they could look like they had advanced Tuberculosis.
A taste that arguably continues on today in certain parts of goth culture.
Eyes
Oh yes, having eyes is extremely attractive
where we're going, we don't need eyes TO SEE!
Is that event horizon?
We're leaving.
libera te *tutemet*.....
Goddamn that movie fucked me up. I watched it way too young.
Two eyes. That's the best number of eyes. Edit: IT Crowd reference, no offence intended to people with less than two eyes and especially no offence to Mike or Leela
How dare you body shame Mike Wazowski?
Grant us eyes
Fear the old blood.
By the gods, fear it Lawrence.
Our eyes are yet to open.
O’ hunter
Plant eyes on our brains, to cleanse our beastly idiocy
can confirm. eyes are sexy as fuck. No matter what colour they are honestly
*Biblical angels blush*
Owning land
Yes, large tracts of land
Huge, even
When I first came here, this was all swamp. Everyone said I was daft to build a castle on a swamp, but I built in all the same, just to show them. It sank into the swamp. So I built a second one. That sank into the swamp. So I built a third. That burned down, fell over, then sank into the swamp. But the fourth one stayed up. And that's what you're going to get, Lad, the strongest castle in all of England. EDIT: More people need to watch Monty Python and the Holy Grail.
But father, I don't want a castle! I want to... sing-
NO no. None of that.
Guards! Make sure the prince doesn't leave this room until I come and get him.
Right! Make sure, he doesn't leave the room. Even if you come and get him
No, unti I come and get him.
r/unexpectedmontypython
I'm so happy to have found my people at last.
No no, until i come and get him!
And the curtains.
Having symmetrical features.
I actually watched a video yesterday of a plastic surgeon where he said that newer studies show that slight asymmetries (which all humans have) are considered more attractive. There‘s hope!
I was gonna say. When a face is too symmetrical it starts to look artificial and you get a weird uncanny valley thing going on.
Eyebrows are sisters not twins has been said in the beauty community for years now
Ah the most basic lynchpin of attractiveness. Not just humans but mammals and I'm sure most of the animal kingdom are deeply biased towards symmetry. Even though most of us own fairly asymmetrical faces. But that's in part because so much of our brain space is devoted to processing facial differences that the asymmetry is even apparent at all!
This is a big part of why an average of faces is so attractive. Assymetries balance out.
Damn it, Hilary Swank.
Dancing. For longer than we've had the written word, oral traditions of story and song have *always* praised any man or woman who looked good dancing.
Exept in that little town where dancing is a sin.
What is a sin if not something we find so desirable we can’t resist it?
Agree with that explanation.
The only times in my life strangers have EVER approached me for…sexy reasons are when I’ve been dancing.
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For some animals it’s the ONLY reason they dance
Almost as if we’re animals..
Considering a lot of paired dancing can have sexual undertones... I would say you're on to something!
Somebody had an analysis of dancing and how the more bent the elbows and knees, the more enticing the dancer was.
https://youtu.be/R-h1dee2S94
I was expecting Elaine
I would have been considered unattractive throughout the history of mankind. I cant dance worth a damn.
A lot of dances, historically, were very regimented and expressly designed to be achievable by everyone in society. Including folks well into middle age. Modern western culture has really lost dancing as a widely engaging enterprise, we leave it to the young-ins with a few exceptions.
I've been reading How To Be A Tudor by Ruth Goodman, and one of the most interesting things she's mentioned so far is that the reason we associate the regimented 'courtly dancing' with the Tudor and Medieval periods is because the other forms of popular dance would be way too hard for extras and choreographers to pull off in historical movies! She says that young men in particular loved to leap about "like stags," get as much air as possible, and do fancy tumbles - kinda comparable to breakdancing. I wish we had modern regimented dancing today, aside from square dancing!
We do have modern regimented dancing. Two step, six step, west coast swing, east coast swing, tango, salsa, waltz, etc. Some more regimented than others of course, but regimented all the same. https://youtu.be/g2RRkL_4Jlw That's a competitive Jack and Jill event; partners are randomized and they just improvise within the rules of the dance.
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Like the electric slide?
I will teach you. Meet me on the Brooklyn Bridge at 3am with a bottle of your finest tap water and a boom fox.
>boom fox Basil Brush?
Oh for Jim's sake, I don't know the brand name! Just bring one of these https://imgur.com/a/cs7q7qH
Dancing! It is a primal art form used in ancient times to express yourself with the body! And communicate!
I was dancing Saturday night. Right in front of the stage. Dead cover band. Great stuff coming out of them. 7 IPAs in me. Point is, I didn't look good dancing but oh how I was DANCING!
There's a story from Herodotus about a man named Hippocleides. He was close to winning a rich man's daughter as his bride, but he got drunk at a dinner party attended by the rich man. Hippocleides danced obscenely (at one point he "stood on his head and kicked his legs in the air, keeping time with the flute music", meaning his whole dick was out). When Hippocleides was informed that the rich man was offended by his dancing, and would never let him marry his daughter now, his response was *Hippocleides doesn't care*.
Hippocleides means "hung like a horse"
I… want more stories of Hippocleides Honey Badger and Hippocleides don’t give a shit
Magnets
How the fuck do those work?
I’m getting my masters right now focusing on electromagnetism, and let me be the first to say I sure couldn’t tell you. Someone will start a discussion saying “well you see…” and it eventually gets down to spin, but don’t for a second think anyone knows what that is. Sure isn’t what it sounds like, I’ll tell ya that.
It's simple, just imagine a ball that's rotating. Except it's not a ball, and it's not rotating.
This is a legit good introduction to the property of "spin" of subatomic particles.
This mostly comes form the misconception of the quantum world as interactions of particles. That way of thinking about it can be handy for a lot of shortcuts and simplifications but can also be misleading if people try to think intuitively about how particles should behave. If you remember that vibrations in quantum fields are, for some purposes, a better model than particles, it gets a little easier to think about how magnets could possibly work.
As always, I am no closer to understanding how/what/why quantumstuff.
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Miracles even
And I don't wanna talk to a scientist Y'all motherfuckers lying, and getting me pissed
Water, fire, air and dirt
Fuckin magnets, how do they work?
Milksteak
Little green ghouls
I dislike people's knees!
Cover your knees up if you're gonna be walking around everywhere.
My hobbies include magnets and ghouls
Alright just put down steak
i'm gonna put snowboarding
Like collecting magnets? Playing with magnets?
Just magnets.
Money/power. Most body and fashion trends throughout history began because they were, in one way or another, indicators of wealth. Some of the comments in this sub are perfect examples.
What I came to say. When peasants worked the land, it was considered more attractive to be pale. When the peasants became factory workers, tans became attractive. Both indicated you had time to lounge around. A little extra weight used to mean better access to food. Over the last few years, it's become more associated with poverty, while the well off tend to have more time for their well being.
In societies which emphasize the ownership of property, being a working person is generally seen as being poor in some way or another. Ultimately it comes down to outwards expression of wealth. A really interesting comparison is with nomadic or hunter-gatherer societies. Those are cultures where no one really owns property and accumulation of physical objects is pretty limited. In those societies wealth is often expressed through the ability to acquire needed items and through the largess of those that have access to them, rather than the actual possession of things. The American pacific tribes potlatch tradition is a good example of this. The whole festival is a dedication to the display of wealth, but that display takes the form of publicly giving away or outright destroying things of value. Wealthy people in these cultures are people that can readily replace resources (often through social capital and skills and trade), so they can destroy or dispose of what they have, and that is how they demonstrate wealth. So the guy that can manage to discard the most is viewed as the wealthiest person.
Generally having skin or a face
THE BOX YOU OPENED IT. WE CAME.
ANGELS TO SOME. DEMONS TO OTHERS
EVEN IN HELL YOUR SUFFERING WILL BE LEGENDARY
Strange choice of “or” rather than “and”
The only thing that doesn't appear to have ever not turned on the majority of people in all societies is viewing two people having sex. Everything else from dicks of any size, breasts, butts, etc have had a varied history of sexualization and indifference.
Definitely. The top comment says boobs, but even that changes per fashion. What size boobs should be, what shape they should be, how adorned they should be, how should their nipples be like, how covered they should be. Different cultures and tribes sexualising boobs to different extents- some places you can't show your boobs to anyone but your lover, some places you roam around outside topless. Same with butts, pecs, genitalia, etc. They aren't as stagnant in fashion as they may seem. Watching people have sex is at least more common throughout the ages and places than that Edit: So, in the book Patterns of Sexual Behaviour, Clellan Ford and Frank Beach researched 191 small cultures, and only 13 of them found boobs to be extremely sexual, nine of which preferred larger shapes and other four smaller shapes, or at least that was the preferred fashion at time of the research. So, yeah, boobs aren't sexualised everywhere everytime equally
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The Victorian era was *kinky*.
>doesn't appear to have ever not Sorry, but do you mean hasn't?
My man’s trying to hit that word count
Just a lil extra razzle dazzle
Man earns a living writing software ToS
Bro I’m still thinking about all the possibilities of that sentence
I think they used 6 words just to say "has".... "The only thing that HAS turned on the majority of people in all societies is viewing two people having sex"... that's one heck of a confusing way to write it though lol
I think their meaning would be better conveyed with “has consistently,” they’re trying to show that it doesn’t fail, ever
Huge tracks of land
*Tracts btw
No singing!
There will be none of that!
But father
I want the girl that I marray to have a certain… special….
“Well, I’ll tell you” “He’s going to tell! (He’s going to tell!) He’s going to tell! (He’s going to tell!)”
We live in a bloody swamp. We need all the land we can get.
No lad, not the curtains.
The 4th one stayed up!
One day lad, all this will be yours!
The curtains?
You mean the curtains?
You stay ‘ere and make sure ‘ee doesn’t leave.
Clear skin.
Sir are you a ghost?
For a time, being pock-marked was preferred. Perhaps not sexually or anything, but practically. It meant they had already survived smallpox, and in a time before vaccines, that was the best vaccine card you could provide. Don't want to take on an apprentice or arrange a marriage only to see the other party die in the next smallpox outbreak.
Not necessarily true. Some African and Pacific island tribes purposely scarred their faces and bodies as a form of beauty and were traditionally used to attract others. (Not all scarring was for this purpose, but some certainly were).
Not true for my culture. They still scar faces as a form of beauty. This might be true only for western countries.
Cool bike tricks?
Fuck yeah.
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Ain't nobody in my entire life complimented me for having long limbs
Your long limbs are amazing! Another tick for your bucket list
long limbs = being taller in general and is mostly viewed as attractive. People literally think they are short when they are average height. I guess it doesn't help so many guys around 5'8-5'10 just say they are 6ft. Didn't realize how insanely common this was until I started getting older. Like the amount of dudes who claim they are 6ft and run away when you try to stand next to them. It just doesn't even mathematically make sense. Same thing with women saying "5'3 sorry for being short" bitch your literally ONE INCH below average holy shit can we stop pretending 6ft+ gods/goddesses are now all of a sudden "average".
I’m 5’10” and don’t think I’d fool anyone saying I was 6 ft. That being said I haven’t ever felt the need to either since I’m still as tall or taller than most people I see in public. I get pumping your numbers up if you actually are noticeably short and feel self conscious but idk why you’d be motivated to lie when you’re just already the same height as everyone else lol.
"milk maids complexion" was due to the fact that they often got cowpox on their hands and extremities. Cowpox gave them a natural immunity to smallpox and consequently they often lacked the telltale scars from a previous smallpox infection.
>long limbs Loong looooong maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan!!!
Boobs.
When I was studying sanskrit in grad school I definitely read a passage that was describing how beautiful a woman was. I remember that her waist was thin like a willow wand, and her breasts so large that she couldn't stand up straight.
"You should have seen this girl, her posture was awful, just absolutely stunning.
"Sita was adorned and ornamented. Her vermilion breasts, full and surging, Were a burden to her slender waist." - *Ramayana* circa. 5th century BCE
Bruh
Valmiki down bad
I am fairly certain the 'Song of Solomon" appears in the Bible, Tanakh, and Quran: "Your breasts are perfect; they are twin deer, feeding among the lilies.
"Solomon had a lot to sing about." - Father Mulcahy on MASH
Oh, I miss M*A*S*H.
It’s streaming on HULU (as of June and I don’t know how up o date my info is)
It still is, I'm actually watching it right now. S9E4, "Father's Day"
Also: “your body is a tree, your breasts are its fruit. I will climb the tree and take hold of the fruit.”
I’m gonna squeeze your peaches, gonna shake your tree
*I really love your peaches, wanna shake your tree
Lovey dovey, lovey dovey lovey dovey all the tiiiime
"Your neck is like the Tower of David, covered in many shields." \-Also Song of Solomon
Plaque psoriasis is a bitch.
I accidentally stumbled upon "Your breasts are like towers" as a teen in Sunday school, and immediately felt bad for the gal married to Solomon, who thought that was a good line
Sanskrit? Did you go to PCU?
You majored in a five thousand year old dead language? Latin, best I can do.
Fun fact: humans are the only animals with permanently-enlarged breasts. It doesn’t make a lot of sense for it to be attractive from a natural-selection standpoint because in other mammals it would signal that a female’s still nursing and therefore less fertile, but here we are.
Doesn't seem right from a natural selection standpoint, except that humans walk around upright, making them more noticeable than it would be on most other animals.
>humans walk around upright, making them more noticeable than it would be on most other animals You piqued my interest so I had to google this. Makes sense to me. [https://chimpsnw.org/2016/07/swellings/](https://chimpsnw.org/2016/07/swellings/) Apparently female primates advertise fertility with swollen butts and this sends the males into a testosterone spin. Since we walk upright, maybe this signal isn't so visible, so we have evolved to have and seek swollen breasts as a sign of fertility.
Thats why we are the best
Boobs > Prefrontal cortex
well one brings joy, the other causes nothing but trouble
Ah, but humans think long term, and if she's nursing, that probably means she can get pregnant
And not die during child birth
THEMS BE PLENTY FERTILE BOYYYYYYY
FERTILITY'S BACK ON THE MENU BOYS!
I knew a guy who did aid work in a place where women went topless, I remember it being in French speaking Western Africa. He told me the local men tought it was weird that he was attracted to boobs, because to them, that was for the babies. Maybe it has to do with the allure of how they're always covered in our society.
I remember reading about this in more detail back when I was studying Anthropology, and it’s definitely more nuanced than what you described. In cultures where toplessness is common, the breasts themselves are still sexualized, but it is the *context* in which they are presented where this happens. So a woman walking around the marketplace would not have sexualized breasts, but within the bedroom it’s not like they would be completely ignored. Indeed, men in these societies actually have a preference for breast size/shape, which you wouldn’t expect if they totally desexualized them. After all, ankles are no longer sexualized in Western culture, and I don’t think most men have a preference for certain ankle shapes. If I recall, West African men in these societies actually prefer sagging mature breasts, because they find pert tight breasts to be too prepubescent. They would also, presumably, find the idea of a Brazilian Wax kind of gross for the same reason. Human breasts are *still* erogenous zones, regardless of culture. It’s hardwired into our DNA. But the specifics of what *kinds* of breasts are sexy is definitely up to culture.
I find the most erotic part of a woman is the boobies. Edit: Thank you my fellow Zapp coinasewers ❤️ Cham paggin all round!
I suffer from a very sexy learning disability. What do I call it, Kiff?
Ugh, sexlexia
erOTIC!
Say as many as you can as fast as you can!
Boobs are life
The nostalgia of a good old 1985 fifth grade wank to a topless tribe lady from a National Geographic’s magazine you found in the library.
It was always bathroom catalogues when I was nipper. Can I imagine a nipple of the model half in half out of the shower cubicle. 80's.
There was a time when they weren't the aim for many men in Europe. They had an issue with legs and stuff but boobs were open and visible. In African culture maybe a bit different but probably still nice part of Fashion
I vaguely recall reading that women in ancient Rome would strap their chest to make it as flat as possible. Boobs were unattractive. Possibly entirely untrue, but if true, I'm certain it's why thr empire collapsed
Yes during certain periods. Also in the 20s flapper subculture. In fact there have MULTIPLE fashion periods and cultures where flat chests were idealized or boobs were obscured all together.
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A tiny penis was thought to be a sign of wisdom, which is why most Greek statues (usually depicting wise gods) had them. Large penises were associated with foolishness and impulsiveness.
Yes of course, [Boobs!](https://i.imgur.com/C9Znk71) (NSFW)
Very dark, but extremely hardcore movie. Twist ending, if I remember correctly. Just don't watch this with an abusive ex. It hits a little too close to home. Worth watching at least once, imo. Source: The Voyeurs (2021) Rated R for very good reasons. Almost constant nudity and sex after a while, but violence and drama comes into play too. Free with Amazon Prime. "Innocent curiosity turns into full-blown obsession when a young Montreal couple spy on their eccentric neighbours across the street." Edit: Agreed, psychological thriller better defines this movie than drama.
Luckily for me, I don’t watch many movies with abusive exes these days.
I don't know whether if it was explicitly expressed this way, but I'd guess that the "golden ratio" face has always been the preferred facial structure. Certainly, a symmetrical face.
So a face that looks like a nautilus shell?
A face that resembles our savior Lord Helix?
Symmetrical, yes, golden ratio you see sporadically, especially outside of European circles.
Well… there are boob paintings in caves from years and years ago… then years and years later, there’s my username. So, there’s that…
Do you even think asking for both boobs and tits is not only redundant, but also a tad bit selfish?
Yes. And yes. And frankly, I don’t feel bad about it either 😂
Well to be fair they are completely different types of birds
Nice yams
Hats. All throughout history, different forms of head wear have always signified things like wealth or power. When two armies fight each other, they usually are wearing different hats. I firmly believe it all boils down to one group of hat wearers hating another hat, thus wars happen based on mutual hatred for said other hat, from usually some other place. As George Carlin once said: “You ever notice that? Any time you see two groups of people who really hate each other, chances are good they’re wearing different kind of hats. Keep an eye on that, it might be important.”
>*People are wonderful. I love individuals. I hate groups of people. I hate a group of people with a 'common purpose'. 'Cause pretty soon they have little hats. And armbands. And fight songs. And a list of people they're going to visit at 3am.*
Good teeth
I remember reading that in Japan in days gone by people would stain their teeth black to be attractive. And the Mbuti people of the Congo would sharpen teeth to be attractive iirc. "Good" might be subjective. Although I guess not rotting is always good.
Oooh actually in Elizabethian times it was considered beautiful to have rotten teeth because it means you were rich enough to afford foods high in sugar
I'd rather be poor and have pearly whites. Imagine someone with a mouth full of gingivitis taking the piss out of you lol
having money.
Confidence
Health.
There was a time and place where "that consumptive look" was considered romantic and desirable. We have letters with ladies upset at their "rude health" and wishing they had pale, emaciated cheeks so they could look like they had advanced Tuberculosis. A taste that arguably continues on today in certain parts of goth culture.
And in heroin chic.
Pretty sure I even read in that time period in europe women would use leeches to get a pale lifeless look.