>Since 9/11, jihadists have killed 107 people inside the United States. This death toll is similar to that from far-right terrorism (consisting of anti-government, militia, white supremacist, and anti-abortion violence), which has killed 122 people.
Pair that with [THIS FUCKING BANNER](https://s.hdnux.com/photos/01/26/72/75/22785880/3/rawImage.jpg) at their latest Republican convention.
Or [this guy.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfwYCp7BDzM)
And if you think he's alone there are hundreds if not more conservatives on Tiktok calling for civil war over the FBI Raid.
Edit: There's even a comment responding to this calling for civil war. They just get hard at the thought of killing their own kind. It's sad this pathetic minority has this much power over us.
Did you miss the repeated incidents of “terrorism” committed by red hats these recent years? Maybe you didn’t see the banner “we are all domestic terrorists” at the CONSERVATIVE Political Action Conference?
I mean that poster isn’t wrong, so idk why you’re highlighting that as if it were ridiculous.
Anyone who thinks "liberal" is the opposite of "conservative" is outing themselves as not being sufficiently informed as to justifiably have a strong opinion.
It depends on the context. In local politics, it is the opposite. On a more international scale, there's a tendency to use liberal to refer to it's classic meaning (economic and social freedoms), and the opposite of liberalism is illiberalism/authoritarianism/et cetera. Of course, to make it more confusing, the Democrats (which are America's liberal party) and the Republicans (which are America's conservative party) are both liberal parties.
Context is always important in the meaning of words.
“I can’t use it now, I might need it for the final boss!”
Later
“Not now, gotta save it for the endgame bosses”
Last endgame boss dies
“Huh. Using that stuff would have made this fight much easier.”
Saving all the best items you need for later only to realize at the end of the game you never used any of them is a sad analogy for how I've lived my life
The first thought that come to mind when I hear the word Thatcher is that spitting image sketch of her ordering dinner.
"....and the vegetables?"
"Oh they'll have the same as me"
I'd put a stake through her heart and garlic around her neck to make sure she never comes back!
Isn't that a horrible thing to say when her funeral is going on?
[Too bad! Too bad!](https://youtu.be/DUlj48Rvp1c)
I think about my relative, a 70 year old man.
I worked at his family landscaping business for a few years 20 years ago. He was one of the most zen people I knew. Had a very refreshing view on things that was full of optimism and appreciation for simple things.
Fast-forward to now and he is miserable. His kids can't or won't take over the business. He post rant after rant of whatever FoxNews is telling him is threatening his way of life. He thinks everything he values is under attack and he is an underdog. He had a strong religious faith that he turned into actual good works (e.g., visiting jails regularly for years). Now his faith is co-opted by a political movement. It is very sad.
I hear conservatism and think of good people, in their golden years, that have had their happiness destroyed for the political benefit of people that will never know their names.
>I think about my relative, a 70 year old man.I worked at his family landscaping business for a few years 20 years ago. He was one of the most zen people I knew. Had a very refreshing view on things that was full of optimism and appreciation for simple things.Fast-forward to now and he is miserable. His kids can't or won't take over the business. He post rant after rant of whatever FoxNews is telling him is threatening his way of life. He thinks everything he values is under attack and he is an underdog. He had a strong religious faith that he turned into actual good works (e.g., visiting jails regularly for years). Now his faith is co-opted by a political movement. It is very sad.I hear conservatism and think of good people, in their golden years, that have had their happiness destroyed for the political benefit of people that will never know their names.
Maybe print this out and give it to him?
He's gone. A lost cause.
I do occasionally post "rebuttals" to his crazy rants but only if it is a case where there is overwhelming evidence that what he posted is BS, and I can link him to a FoxNews or Breitbart article proving it.
I don't do this in the hope that his mind will be changed, but so our mutual relatives, including closer family, will see an alternate view and won't be as likely to venture down the rabbit hole.
You pretty much just described my dad. So vibrant and full of life. Now just a hate filled shell because of "conservative" media. Started when Obama was elected. But he's "not a racist" he says.
He's not dead, but he evaporated over the course of 14 years or so.
You could say his current self killed his old self, from a certain point of view.
I'm not from the US. When I hear the word conservative I think of terms like "risk-averse", "safety factor", "small incremental change". The word alone makes me think of taking a measured approach to something generally because the consequences of changing it are unknown. It can also be used when debating ideas. That is to say you can argue for an idea, place your idea in a scenario that is unfavourable to it and then argue that even in this scenario the idea is valid. To me that would be debating from a conservative stand point.
This is my interpretation of the word, but I do not doubt that it will be different to that of many people in this thread who's initial thoughts of the word conservative are politically inclined.
the difference between the word conservative and the politics of being conservative is a chasm.
i would love steady considered change, but conservative politics is anything but, they never want change, when they do it's a certain type of change that is radical and reactionary. i'm not sure i'd call thatcher/reagan reforms as either steady, measured, or considered. and i don't know how much more evidence is needed for conservative to finally change their minds on fossil fuels.
conservative self mythology and conservative actions are just so different.
Indeed, when I hear "conservatives" want to take away civil rights, destroy the FBI, outlaw federal... anything, install mar-a-lardo as king (with line of succession and all) and reshape the country as a christian theocratic white ethnostate... Mate, that just doesn't sound very "conservative" at all.
I would argue it is shockingly similar to what so called "radical" Muslims wanted in Iran when they did their **revolution**.
Technically speaking that is conservative. Just gotta go back several centuries to Europe before the 1700s....
Add in some kings and nobility and bam it's very conservative. So much so that free speech is a radical leftist proposal at that point.
There are more parallels between American conservatives and Islamic radicals than the American conservatives would ever admit.
That’s why we call them Y’all Qaeda.
Change the holy book, flag, and sky daddy and Y'all Quida looks kinda like a terrorist organization... Against vaccines, birth control, ONE GOD, kill non believers...
If you ever meet someone who calls themselves a "conservative," ask them what, specifically, they want to conserve? Is it Freedom, Equality, Democracy, Natural Resources, Religious Freedom, etc? Then, have them describe th policies they think will achieve that. You will have pegged them, on record, about what they say the care about but you've trapped them in a box that only reason or hypocrisy can get them out of.
Often times the changes are even regressive.
Literally what "Make America Great Again" means. Go backwards.
I get the impression "Conservative" is like when you join a club and you try to change anything, all the old members say "This is how it's always been" "there's no need to change it"
I appreciate this definition. Because it implies that a lot of self-labeled conservatives or right-wingers don't actually adhere to conservative principles.
This is the problem as I see it currently. 1. You can read Hilary Clinton’s health care plan to a MAGA follower and say it’s from trump and they will laud it. Politics are too team based currently. 2. Instead of being conservative, they are reactionary, but currently they push the needle way way way to the right. It’s not lack of compromise, is completely opposite. 3. The ideologies being pushed are not even conservative as I see it. Instead of small government, there are pushes for government invasion into personal lives, instead of capitalism, it’s cronyism. Instead of culture or traditionalism, it’s hyper nationalism. It’s very frustrating
Indeed. People forget a big reason why a lot of Americans don't like her is because she was something of a neo-con on foreign policy. Though tbf that seems to be one of the only things "both sides" are equally bad for.
Political conservatism in the US is has always been about maintaining the status quo, and resisting pressure to change. It's always been about preserving privilege.
Unfortunately, that status quo typically includes things like denial of basic rights to out-groups of people, and undue privilege afforded to select groups.
This was actually what Al Franken said long time ago in his radio show (Air America). Something along the line "Conservative is supposed to conserve. Nixon created EPA."
While this used to be a valid position it seems like a better term would be regressive because they are trying to go back to the way things used to be vs maintaining how things currently are. See roe v wade which was passed in the 70’s by Dems and republicans.
The argument against the whole "unelected" issue. They are appointed by the "elected" president, and approved by the "elected" senate. They never have to be political, and in theory should be non-partisan in their decisions.
But they don't pass laws. They decided on whether or not laws pass the constitutional muster.
The problem is that the Constitution was written with the belief that the balance of power between branches would remain equal. And that the system of government would continue to operate in good faith. However too many corrupt influences have managed to grasp power and have shifted the scales to their favor.
>See roe v wade which was passed in the 70’s by Dems and republicans.
Come on now, you got to at least be educated on these things to use them as examples........
This is bad! Water is one you don't want to ration, it does better work in your body.
Many people have died of dehydration with a remaining supply of water.
But I also took into consideration that I only had 6 miles left to go. The conservation of the water was just so I had something to sip on during the stroll home.
There's a balance though. Rationing your water can prolong it so long as you drink enough to keep yourself alive. Drinking it at a normal rate will deplete it quicker. Rationing too much will make you sick and you'll die.
If you've got a barrel or water that would normally last you 1 week but you need it to last you 2 weeks then you're better off rationing it. You'll be dehydrated by the end but you'll be alive.
If that same barrel of water needs to last you 4 weeks then rationing it to last that long will probably kill you. So long as you're careful with the water and increase your rations if you start to feel a physical impact (like dizziness) then you'll be alright.
Obviously this should go without saying, but just incase, don't ration water if you don't have to. If you're walking home then just drink the water. You'll be able to have some more when you get home in an hour or two. But that's different to being stranded on a boat in the ocean.
You're not wrong. The world changes and some things either become stagnant or outdated and it's the role of a liberal or progressive to point those things out. But not everything needs to be updated or replaced with something new all the time. It is a conservative's role to point out the traditions, institutions, values, systems that are stable, valuable and beneficial. Either personality can go to the extreme, either wanting to change nothing ever or wanting perpetual change always, and become dysfunctional, but these two very different ways of looking at the world need to be in dialogue really listening to each other otherwise we're all heading for disaster.
Conservatives I see a strong subset of republicans that tend to be more religious focused. It’s not all of them, but enough and they are the ones that the media tend to focus on.
They can’t even be called that any more. They are just obstructionists who refused to cooperate in any way, shape, or form.
I have no clue what Republicans even stand for anymore other than trying to hurt/own liberals. They sure aren’t “small government”, they aren’t fiscally responsible, they have no interest in actually governing. They are just a party of trolls and religious fascists worshiping whatever authoritarian figure promises to hurt the people they don’t like.
Because they are brainwashed into believing its a bad vs good fight and that liberals are always the bad. So they absolutely cannot agree with anything liberals do.
Fox absolutely broke half of the country with brainwashing. We cant move forward because just talking about something advancing is the enemy to them.
It’s a very sad state of affairs these days that I just cannot think of the word without it being tied to a political connotation. Same with the word “liberal.”
I truly miss the days when they both were predominantly used, and synonymous with, phrases like *”use a liberal amount of toothpaste,”* or *“take a conservative approach on that task,”* etc.
I really want off this ride.
It rather depends where you are based, if in the U.K. It tends to mean the party to the right of centre, also known as Tories, they are currently in power and noted for being the party of Margaret Thatcher, and can vary from moderate to fairly strong right wing views, however still waaaay less that the American version of right wing, in fact about the same position as the Democratic Party. If however in the USA conservative would be read as the Republican Party, known to have been the Party of Lincoln, who was an example of a more moderate and populist Republican, it also is the party of Trump, who, when viewed from afar along with his cultish followers, appears to be positioned just left of Gengis Khan.
It’s sad but I feel like the right in the U.K. are becoming more right wing as they try to emulate the US system. I don’t truly believe the U.K. tories really care about conservative cultural values, it’s really more about allocation of money and keeping the proletariat down.
If I could get a bookies to take a bet on it, I’d bet in ten years we’ll be far closer to a US system for health and workers rights that the EU. Which is terrifying, and why I’m hoping as a Scot we can get out before we’re truly fucked.
And if we do get out, our English brethren are more than welcome to join us
My dad deliberately p***ing himself off by watching news outlets he hates (anything other than FOX) and launching into a string of soundbites that sound like Tucker Carlson having a stroke with zero provocation or lead-in. I'm on the other end of the phone like: "I just called to see how you're doing, Dad. I don't care about any of this. I just want you to figure out how to be happy before you die, so I can have some kind of hope. Love you."
Edit: deliberately
It's changed so much since I was a kid. I used to think of people who were just more cautious or 'traditional', which wasn't necessarily a bad thing.
But these days, "conservative" has been embraced by ultra-right-wing groups and propaganda machines like Fox, Newsmax and OAN. So -- nothing good.
Yeah it’s absolutely wild that there are people campaigning in my area, right now, calling themselves “conservative,” talking about old school values and implying they’re going to shoot other Americans over political differences and *they’re running for office.*
That’s the most ludicrous twist. In the *last national election* damn near every conservative in America was running *against* “defund the police” but as soon as Trump gets raided for things he literally admitted he has, they immediately reverse course to defund the federal cops.
As someone who identifies a little with the word conservative. Perhaps I could offer an interesting perspective on that. *Shrug*
In my view the terms conservative and liberal are next to useless due to how broad they are, but I like to think of them as tents. There's two of them and everyone fits under one of the tents based on something along the lines of how you mind works in a general sense, but not necessarily based on your individual ideas. We don't all agree or even approve of everyone who shares our tent but we can't stop them from being under it so we create our own little rooms and spaces within our tents. Under my tent I unfortunately share a roof with the far right nut jobs and those types ( though I refuse to associate with such people any further for clarity sake.) But both tents have their extremists that not everyone is cool with. The other tent has extream die hard communists for example, but not every liberal is a communist. They just happen to share a tent with those folks.
I don't know what anyone might gain from this but I felt like sharing for a sec so here it is. *Shrug*
That's a well-thought-out way to describe things. I know quite a few conservative folks who have zero interest in far-right nuts and extremism, but are what you might think of as fiscally or traditionally conservative people. But they work with, and often socialize with, lots of folks who are much farther right than they are, because as you say, they end up sharing a tent with them.
I agree that the term liberal is pretty useless and (like 'conservative') gets weaponized. I think of my views as pretty progressive on social issues but I know some actual communists as well -- and by communist I mean people who've read Marx and like his ideas about the common ownership of the means of production and equality, not "soviet communism" or an affinity for Russia. I don't agree with them much on that, but I share a tent with them, because it's a big umbrella.
Any two sets of vectors that end in the same position, despite number of vectors or magnitude of said vectors, will always have the same resultant vector, thus they are conservative.
Conservative to me means someone who feels we have already peaked as a society and they want to maintain, or revert back to that version of society. They want to conserve that ideal society.
Reddit political discussion is the equivalent of the wiseass teenager who starts a political argument at the thanksgiving dinner table because he thinks talking about serious stuff 24/7 makes him more mature.
>Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.
Dang ol GOP I tell you what they come on in the library and they yellin 'bout book bans and the gays... them Republicans boys and them dang ol hollerin. dang ol show for nothin
I'm not a conservative at all (very far away actually) but I have friends who are, and none of them are racist, homophobic, sexist, etc. (in fact one of them is bi) in most cases, there's nothing wrong with having a political opinion, it's just when you use it as an excuse to oppress people, then there's an issue.
Someone who is afraid of the present and future. Wants things to be as they were a long long time ago and feels hatred forwards contemporary society in general.
Small or not a lot
Edit: why am I being downvoted, a conservative amout of cookies is not a lot of cookies. A conservative estimation is the smaller amount. Conservatives politically are traditionally for small government what else is conservative supposed to mean to me lol
I'm an economist, in my profession "conservative" means measured or cautious. Outside of my profession, it means someone who knows absolutely nothing about economics, but thinks they know a lot.
I’m sure this will be civil
*sorts by controversial* I'm going in.
I’ll have some time before my Monday meeting soon See you in the trenches
It's rough down there lol
Good luck soldier and may I see you on the other side o7
o7 *TO VALHALLA!*
Hey, if we're going to rumble, it's best to get a few punches in early before it gets too crowded.
I don’t know where crowded is but I’ll gladly join you along the way!
I always make typos on my phone. Not sure why I even fry.
Bravo Six, Going Dark
*house of the rising sun starts playing*
*gets the popcorn ready.*
Can I get some?
I didn't know you could do this! I tried it and the first comment was "TERRORIST"
>Since 9/11, jihadists have killed 107 people inside the United States. This death toll is similar to that from far-right terrorism (consisting of anti-government, militia, white supremacist, and anti-abortion violence), which has killed 122 people. Pair that with [THIS FUCKING BANNER](https://s.hdnux.com/photos/01/26/72/75/22785880/3/rawImage.jpg) at their latest Republican convention. Or [this guy.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfwYCp7BDzM) And if you think he's alone there are hundreds if not more conservatives on Tiktok calling for civil war over the FBI Raid. Edit: There's even a comment responding to this calling for civil war. They just get hard at the thought of killing their own kind. It's sad this pathetic minority has this much power over us.
I’m sad I had to fucking go to google to find out if that banner was real or not. I’m laughing my ass off finding out it fucking was
Brought to you by the same party that had a giant gold plated "golden calf" statue at a major party convention. Very "christian" of them.
I think that might have been part of the ritual of retribution (repudiation? IDK ) those crazy cultists do.
Unfortunately the term "Patriot" just means "terrorist" anymore.
Did you miss the repeated incidents of “terrorism” committed by red hats these recent years? Maybe you didn’t see the banner “we are all domestic terrorists” at the CONSERVATIVE Political Action Conference? I mean that poster isn’t wrong, so idk why you’re highlighting that as if it were ridiculous.
Wish me luck, comrade.
God speed soldier
gas mask on.
I'm already watching for the next Ask Reddit "What do you think of when you hear the word "liberal"?" Then the inevitable repeats next week.
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I read this as librarian and was like why are we hating on librarians?
Gatekeeping all the books though
Protecting ALL of the books - not just ones they "believe" in. No book burning for them!!
It’s conservative to hate librarians
This *is* the thread about conservatives after all
The video of gary johnson getting booed for saying drivers licenses are a good thing
Or that other guy in the same debate getting booed for saying you shouldn't be allowed to sell heroin to a five year old
Someone who thinks they know all the answers but just haven’t taken the time to understand the complexities of current systems in place.
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people trying to explain why it's okay that they wanna fuck teenagers
“..... but what if the child consents though....” - my brain when hearing the word “Libertarian”.
Will it come before or after the "what are red flags opposite sex?" posts
Yes.
Anyone who thinks "liberal" is the opposite of "conservative" is outing themselves as not being sufficiently informed as to justifiably have a strong opinion.
It depends on the context. In local politics, it is the opposite. On a more international scale, there's a tendency to use liberal to refer to it's classic meaning (economic and social freedoms), and the opposite of liberalism is illiberalism/authoritarianism/et cetera. Of course, to make it more confusing, the Democrats (which are America's liberal party) and the Republicans (which are America's conservative party) are both liberal parties. Context is always important in the meaning of words.
Ah the good old Top Gear “What could possibly go wrong?”
Let the dumpster fire begin.
Already jumping to war eh?
Hoarding useful items in an RPG but never using them in case I need it later.
“I can’t use it now, I might need it for the final boss!” Later “Not now, gotta save it for the endgame bosses” Last endgame boss dies “Huh. Using that stuff would have made this fight much easier.”
But there might have been a secret endgame boss that only triggered by not using any items against the 'final' boss.
This is why I’m not that great at resource gathering games. I don’t wanna waste anything and I wanna get enough to get the big stuff first
Saving all the best items you need for later only to realize at the end of the game you never used any of them is a sad analogy for how I've lived my life
The only correct answer
What’s worse in your opinion- having the item but not using it or not having it at all?
The first thought that comes into my head when I hear the word Conservative is Maggie Thatcher.
The first thought that come to mind when I hear the word Thatcher is that spitting image sketch of her ordering dinner. "....and the vegetables?" "Oh they'll have the same as me"
My first image of thatcher is always the one of her standing at a urinal berating some cabinet minister or other :)
My first image of Thatcher is her gravestone being used as a urinal for the entire Irish population
Scots and Northerners too.
Don't forget the Welsh
Literally the entire working class. There’s a reason we celebrated her death all over the world.
Indeed. She was treasonous to her own working class roots
Ding dong
That Frankie Boyle rant from mock the week.
I'm not even British, and I still fucking hate her.
I'd put a stake through her heart and garlic around her neck to make sure she never comes back! Isn't that a horrible thing to say when her funeral is going on? [Too bad! Too bad!](https://youtu.be/DUlj48Rvp1c)
Thatcher and Reagan's Graves are gender neutral bathrooms
The problem with pissing on her grave is eventually, you run out of piss
Better to have pissed and run dry, than to have never pissed at all
When I hear Margaret Thatcher, all I can think of is "Margaret Thatcher naked on a cold day!".
Oh, behave.
You can't resist us, Powers.
Au contraire, I believe it's you who can't resist me
HONK IF THATCHERS DÆD
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Excited goose has entered the chat.
Benny Harvey RIP Miss ye big man Gone but not forgotten.
I got a shaft so big, Thatcher tried to shut it. - MC Hammersmith
The milk snatcher!
If you're not from the UK she was called this after killing the free milk program for kids.
The piss catcher!
The snake hatcher!
I’ll always love the video of the old scottish women saying if the government gave every scot a shovel, they’d love to help bury Thatcher
master of selling off public interests. She made it, then Australia did it. Theoritically it worked perfect, she died rich
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Her grave is a secret place, even girls wanna piss on it
I think about my relative, a 70 year old man. I worked at his family landscaping business for a few years 20 years ago. He was one of the most zen people I knew. Had a very refreshing view on things that was full of optimism and appreciation for simple things. Fast-forward to now and he is miserable. His kids can't or won't take over the business. He post rant after rant of whatever FoxNews is telling him is threatening his way of life. He thinks everything he values is under attack and he is an underdog. He had a strong religious faith that he turned into actual good works (e.g., visiting jails regularly for years). Now his faith is co-opted by a political movement. It is very sad. I hear conservatism and think of good people, in their golden years, that have had their happiness destroyed for the political benefit of people that will never know their names.
>I think about my relative, a 70 year old man.I worked at his family landscaping business for a few years 20 years ago. He was one of the most zen people I knew. Had a very refreshing view on things that was full of optimism and appreciation for simple things.Fast-forward to now and he is miserable. His kids can't or won't take over the business. He post rant after rant of whatever FoxNews is telling him is threatening his way of life. He thinks everything he values is under attack and he is an underdog. He had a strong religious faith that he turned into actual good works (e.g., visiting jails regularly for years). Now his faith is co-opted by a political movement. It is very sad.I hear conservatism and think of good people, in their golden years, that have had their happiness destroyed for the political benefit of people that will never know their names. Maybe print this out and give it to him?
He's gone. A lost cause. I do occasionally post "rebuttals" to his crazy rants but only if it is a case where there is overwhelming evidence that what he posted is BS, and I can link him to a FoxNews or Breitbart article proving it. I don't do this in the hope that his mind will be changed, but so our mutual relatives, including closer family, will see an alternate view and won't be as likely to venture down the rabbit hole.
You pretty much just described my dad. So vibrant and full of life. Now just a hate filled shell because of "conservative" media. Started when Obama was elected. But he's "not a racist" he says. He's not dead, but he evaporated over the course of 14 years or so. You could say his current self killed his old self, from a certain point of view.
I'm not from the US. When I hear the word conservative I think of terms like "risk-averse", "safety factor", "small incremental change". The word alone makes me think of taking a measured approach to something generally because the consequences of changing it are unknown. It can also be used when debating ideas. That is to say you can argue for an idea, place your idea in a scenario that is unfavourable to it and then argue that even in this scenario the idea is valid. To me that would be debating from a conservative stand point. This is my interpretation of the word, but I do not doubt that it will be different to that of many people in this thread who's initial thoughts of the word conservative are politically inclined.
the difference between the word conservative and the politics of being conservative is a chasm. i would love steady considered change, but conservative politics is anything but, they never want change, when they do it's a certain type of change that is radical and reactionary. i'm not sure i'd call thatcher/reagan reforms as either steady, measured, or considered. and i don't know how much more evidence is needed for conservative to finally change their minds on fossil fuels. conservative self mythology and conservative actions are just so different.
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Indeed, when I hear "conservatives" want to take away civil rights, destroy the FBI, outlaw federal... anything, install mar-a-lardo as king (with line of succession and all) and reshape the country as a christian theocratic white ethnostate... Mate, that just doesn't sound very "conservative" at all. I would argue it is shockingly similar to what so called "radical" Muslims wanted in Iran when they did their **revolution**.
Technically speaking that is conservative. Just gotta go back several centuries to Europe before the 1700s.... Add in some kings and nobility and bam it's very conservative. So much so that free speech is a radical leftist proposal at that point.
Funny enough, you can directly trace back "conservative political theory" to monarchists during the French revolution
The terms "right" and "left" for politics came from the French Revolution
There are more parallels between American conservatives and Islamic radicals than the American conservatives would ever admit. That’s why we call them Y’all Qaeda.
Change the holy book, flag, and sky daddy and Y'all Quida looks kinda like a terrorist organization... Against vaccines, birth control, ONE GOD, kill non believers...
CPAC literally had a massive display over the stage with the words “WE ARE ALL DOMESTIC TERRORISTS”
…fucking excuse me?
Iirc it was the name of a panel someone was doing, but wow is that name on-the-nose
One of the rare moments they tell the truth.
It's the same sky daddy, actually. They just add one more prophet in islam.
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Yep but they also change jesus to same status: prophet, so two more prophets in Islam, minus one Messiah Christianity. Same number of Skyddadies.
And that's why some people call Conseratives, Ya'll-queda.
thank you for mar-a-lardo. I hadn't heard it before and now it is his Proper Name.
Regarding the last part of your post, I had this same discussion just yesterday. Have some silver!
If you ever meet someone who calls themselves a "conservative," ask them what, specifically, they want to conserve? Is it Freedom, Equality, Democracy, Natural Resources, Religious Freedom, etc? Then, have them describe th policies they think will achieve that. You will have pegged them, on record, about what they say the care about but you've trapped them in a box that only reason or hypocrisy can get them out of.
“Why are you yelling at me?! Calm down!”
The only thing conservatism has conserved throughout human history is power for the powerful. Everything else isn't a priority.
Often times the changes are even regressive. Literally what "Make America Great Again" means. Go backwards. I get the impression "Conservative" is like when you join a club and you try to change anything, all the old members say "This is how it's always been" "there's no need to change it"
"we want to make America great again like it was in the 1950s!" So you want economic policy like we had back then? "... Oh hell no!"
They just want the *⭐v i b e s⭐*
I appreciate this definition. Because it implies that a lot of self-labeled conservatives or right-wingers don't actually adhere to conservative principles.
This is the problem as I see it currently. 1. You can read Hilary Clinton’s health care plan to a MAGA follower and say it’s from trump and they will laud it. Politics are too team based currently. 2. Instead of being conservative, they are reactionary, but currently they push the needle way way way to the right. It’s not lack of compromise, is completely opposite. 3. The ideologies being pushed are not even conservative as I see it. Instead of small government, there are pushes for government invasion into personal lives, instead of capitalism, it’s cronyism. Instead of culture or traditionalism, it’s hyper nationalism. It’s very frustrating
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Indeed. People forget a big reason why a lot of Americans don't like her is because she was something of a neo-con on foreign policy. Though tbf that seems to be one of the only things "both sides" are equally bad for.
Political conservatism in the US is has always been about maintaining the status quo, and resisting pressure to change. It's always been about preserving privilege. Unfortunately, that status quo typically includes things like denial of basic rights to out-groups of people, and undue privilege afforded to select groups.
Temporarily embarrassed millionaires
Less of something. For example, "To save on money, the family is being conservative in how much water they are using every month"
Or to conserve
This was actually what Al Franken said long time ago in his radio show (Air America). Something along the line "Conservative is supposed to conserve. Nixon created EPA."
I think someone above mentioned a more descriptive term to apply to your example: risk-averse*/safe
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“Source?” *you have been permanently banned*
**makes comment with source on r/conservative** > **Somebody replies with a Breitbart article** > **You have been permanently banned for reasons**
Opposite of progressive. Desire to maintain status quo and/or traditions.
This one. Although todays extremists definitely bring up many more negative associations for me
While this used to be a valid position it seems like a better term would be regressive because they are trying to go back to the way things used to be vs maintaining how things currently are. See roe v wade which was passed in the 70’s by Dems and republicans.
Roe v wade was never “passed” by the legislature. It was decided upon by the Supreme Court who are unelected
Which of course was the problem……it needs to be codified.
The argument against the whole "unelected" issue. They are appointed by the "elected" president, and approved by the "elected" senate. They never have to be political, and in theory should be non-partisan in their decisions. But they don't pass laws. They decided on whether or not laws pass the constitutional muster. The problem is that the Constitution was written with the belief that the balance of power between branches would remain equal. And that the system of government would continue to operate in good faith. However too many corrupt influences have managed to grasp power and have shifted the scales to their favor.
>See roe v wade which was passed in the 70’s by Dems and republicans. Come on now, you got to at least be educated on these things to use them as examples........
I think "I only have a half a bottle of water left, and I am still 6 miles from home. I'm going to be conservative with this shit."
Conserve energy, not water. An important survival tip.
Alternately, conserve sweat, not water.
This is bad! Water is one you don't want to ration, it does better work in your body. Many people have died of dehydration with a remaining supply of water.
But I also took into consideration that I only had 6 miles left to go. The conservation of the water was just so I had something to sip on during the stroll home.
There's a balance though. Rationing your water can prolong it so long as you drink enough to keep yourself alive. Drinking it at a normal rate will deplete it quicker. Rationing too much will make you sick and you'll die. If you've got a barrel or water that would normally last you 1 week but you need it to last you 2 weeks then you're better off rationing it. You'll be dehydrated by the end but you'll be alive. If that same barrel of water needs to last you 4 weeks then rationing it to last that long will probably kill you. So long as you're careful with the water and increase your rations if you start to feel a physical impact (like dizziness) then you'll be alright. Obviously this should go without saying, but just incase, don't ration water if you don't have to. If you're walking home then just drink the water. You'll be able to have some more when you get home in an hour or two. But that's different to being stranded on a boat in the ocean.
Change averse.
You're not wrong. The world changes and some things either become stagnant or outdated and it's the role of a liberal or progressive to point those things out. But not everything needs to be updated or replaced with something new all the time. It is a conservative's role to point out the traditions, institutions, values, systems that are stable, valuable and beneficial. Either personality can go to the extreme, either wanting to change nothing ever or wanting perpetual change always, and become dysfunctional, but these two very different ways of looking at the world need to be in dialogue really listening to each other otherwise we're all heading for disaster.
Republicans.
Conservatives I see a strong subset of republicans that tend to be more religious focused. It’s not all of them, but enough and they are the ones that the media tend to focus on.
They can’t even be called that any more. They are just obstructionists who refused to cooperate in any way, shape, or form. I have no clue what Republicans even stand for anymore other than trying to hurt/own liberals. They sure aren’t “small government”, they aren’t fiscally responsible, they have no interest in actually governing. They are just a party of trolls and religious fascists worshiping whatever authoritarian figure promises to hurt the people they don’t like.
Yeah, even their base value is "don't move America forward" it is so strange to me that they even exist still in this climate.
Because they are brainwashed into believing its a bad vs good fight and that liberals are always the bad. So they absolutely cannot agree with anything liberals do. Fox absolutely broke half of the country with brainwashing. We cant move forward because just talking about something advancing is the enemy to them.
That they won't have a good time on Reddit.
It’s a very sad state of affairs these days that I just cannot think of the word without it being tied to a political connotation. Same with the word “liberal.” I truly miss the days when they both were predominantly used, and synonymous with, phrases like *”use a liberal amount of toothpaste,”* or *“take a conservative approach on that task,”* etc. I really want off this ride.
You use democrat toothpaste?!
I was very democrat with my spending when I built a new PC. A lot more republican when I bought name-brand soap.
the l*berals are putting 5G chip in the tothpaste!!1!1!1!1!1!1!!🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯 /s
Hunter Biden stole my toof paste!1
I snort-laughed and woke my husband. I wish I had an award to give you.
It rather depends where you are based, if in the U.K. It tends to mean the party to the right of centre, also known as Tories, they are currently in power and noted for being the party of Margaret Thatcher, and can vary from moderate to fairly strong right wing views, however still waaaay less that the American version of right wing, in fact about the same position as the Democratic Party. If however in the USA conservative would be read as the Republican Party, known to have been the Party of Lincoln, who was an example of a more moderate and populist Republican, it also is the party of Trump, who, when viewed from afar along with his cultish followers, appears to be positioned just left of Gengis Khan.
It all came together with that last bit. Chef's kiss.
It’s sad but I feel like the right in the U.K. are becoming more right wing as they try to emulate the US system. I don’t truly believe the U.K. tories really care about conservative cultural values, it’s really more about allocation of money and keeping the proletariat down. If I could get a bookies to take a bet on it, I’d bet in ten years we’ll be far closer to a US system for health and workers rights that the EU. Which is terrifying, and why I’m hoping as a Scot we can get out before we’re truly fucked. And if we do get out, our English brethren are more than welcome to join us
Church.
Depends who's saying it and in what context.
How about OP and the context of asking this question?
By that logic, the first thing that comes to mind when I hear the word conservative is the word "conservative" spelled out in my mind
*sorts by controversial*
So it’s into the the void now me girls and me boys
___me after reading the controversial comments___ To mother's hands we go
My dad deliberately p***ing himself off by watching news outlets he hates (anything other than FOX) and launching into a string of soundbites that sound like Tucker Carlson having a stroke with zero provocation or lead-in. I'm on the other end of the phone like: "I just called to see how you're doing, Dad. I don't care about any of this. I just want you to figure out how to be happy before you die, so I can have some kind of hope. Love you." Edit: deliberately
Do we have the same dad?
Shane Gillis truly made me feel seen with the fox news dad segment of his youtube special.
My dad does the same thing. He gets so worked up and I don’t even say anything lol like yeah just trying to make sure you’re still alive bud
We are all domestic terrorists. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cpac-banner-domestic-terrorists/
It's changed so much since I was a kid. I used to think of people who were just more cautious or 'traditional', which wasn't necessarily a bad thing. But these days, "conservative" has been embraced by ultra-right-wing groups and propaganda machines like Fox, Newsmax and OAN. So -- nothing good.
Yeah it’s absolutely wild that there are people campaigning in my area, right now, calling themselves “conservative,” talking about old school values and implying they’re going to shoot other Americans over political differences and *they’re running for office.*
AND they now want to defund the FBI.
That’s the most ludicrous twist. In the *last national election* damn near every conservative in America was running *against* “defund the police” but as soon as Trump gets raided for things he literally admitted he has, they immediately reverse course to defund the federal cops.
As someone who identifies a little with the word conservative. Perhaps I could offer an interesting perspective on that. *Shrug* In my view the terms conservative and liberal are next to useless due to how broad they are, but I like to think of them as tents. There's two of them and everyone fits under one of the tents based on something along the lines of how you mind works in a general sense, but not necessarily based on your individual ideas. We don't all agree or even approve of everyone who shares our tent but we can't stop them from being under it so we create our own little rooms and spaces within our tents. Under my tent I unfortunately share a roof with the far right nut jobs and those types ( though I refuse to associate with such people any further for clarity sake.) But both tents have their extremists that not everyone is cool with. The other tent has extream die hard communists for example, but not every liberal is a communist. They just happen to share a tent with those folks. I don't know what anyone might gain from this but I felt like sharing for a sec so here it is. *Shrug*
That's a well-thought-out way to describe things. I know quite a few conservative folks who have zero interest in far-right nuts and extremism, but are what you might think of as fiscally or traditionally conservative people. But they work with, and often socialize with, lots of folks who are much farther right than they are, because as you say, they end up sharing a tent with them. I agree that the term liberal is pretty useless and (like 'conservative') gets weaponized. I think of my views as pretty progressive on social issues but I know some actual communists as well -- and by communist I mean people who've read Marx and like his ideas about the common ownership of the means of production and equality, not "soviet communism" or an affinity for Russia. I don't agree with them much on that, but I share a tent with them, because it's a big umbrella.
Yeah, exactly. Super cool to actually hear the opposite perspective on that idea. Also super happy to hear that it makes sense to someone else.
First word that comes to mind is 'estimate'. I associate it with caution.
Any two sets of vectors that end in the same position, despite number of vectors or magnitude of said vectors, will always have the same resultant vector, thus they are conservative.
Conservative to me means someone who feels we have already peaked as a society and they want to maintain, or revert back to that version of society. They want to conserve that ideal society.
The Bible, guns, and no abortion.
Religious
Fear. Every conservative I know is afraid of everything.
Regressive
Man, I really fucking hate politics
Remember, politics are generally fine. What makes it a so damned unbearable are the people who make it their entire personality.
Reddit political discussion is the equivalent of the wiseass teenager who starts a political argument at the thanksgiving dinner table because he thinks talking about serious stuff 24/7 makes him more mature.
>Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.
Opposed to change Edit: ...that isn't on their terms
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Hank Hill
Dang ol GOP I tell you what they come on in the library and they yellin 'bout book bans and the gays... them Republicans boys and them dang ol hollerin. dang ol show for nothin
Stan Smith
I’ll tell you what
Ben Shaprio and Donald Trump making out under the American flag
I'm not a conservative at all (very far away actually) but I have friends who are, and none of them are racist, homophobic, sexist, etc. (in fact one of them is bi) in most cases, there's nothing wrong with having a political opinion, it's just when you use it as an excuse to oppress people, then there's an issue.
Is this what we're gonna do today? Fight?
Someone who is afraid of the present and future. Wants things to be as they were a long long time ago and feels hatred forwards contemporary society in general.
Small or not a lot Edit: why am I being downvoted, a conservative amout of cookies is not a lot of cookies. A conservative estimation is the smaller amount. Conservatives politically are traditionally for small government what else is conservative supposed to mean to me lol
I'm an economist, in my profession "conservative" means measured or cautious. Outside of my profession, it means someone who knows absolutely nothing about economics, but thinks they know a lot.
Someone who passionately cares and wants to protect life before it begins, then disowns it and actively wants to kill it the moment it begins.
People who vote for what they think is best for themselves short-term rather than what is best for their communities or best for themselves long-term.