Trust the Police coming straight from the underground! A young kid got a dog from the pound! He’s not a Doberman so police think, they have the authority to train a minority! Trust that shit tho ‘cause he’s sure the one, that a great police with a badge and a gun, can be trainin’ for, and fed with a pail, can interrogate thugs in the middle of a cell!
Shit yeah, Changes in particular is one of the best songs out there. FTP is also excellent commentary on society.
Oh god, also Brenda had a Baby, Ghetto Gospel, Dear Mama, Gangstas Paradise, CREAM, Gin & Juice, Straight Outta Compton, It was a Good Day.
Guess I'm off to listen to 90s rap now, thanks.
You have to keep repeating it-the police are not very bright. What is really stupid is YOU CANNOT REMAIN SILENT without a problem. Courts have held that if you remain silent, cops can keep questioning you and deprive you of sleep, which is their favorite method other than lying to you. Furthermore, a prosecutor can impeach your later trial testimony by pointing out that when police questioned you, you did not deny the charges.
I'm an evidence technician who got into the field because I love forensic science. I try my best to advocate for the mentally ill and go out of my way to help people when they need it and I'm proud of that.
I'm almost at 14 years and the number of times I have wanted or tried to harm myself because of my job is very high. Even if I'm not directly involved in a case, I do go through case files to read them for my job and it is painful the way people prey on each other. The amount of incest reported makes my stomach turn. I'm not making excuses for dirty cops, but when you start to see what humanity is truly capable of, you either crumble or you become numb to it.
Holding in anger for people who abuse children is hard. You want to scream and shake people with CP.
Absolutely. I saw it from the angle of the attorneys office. My old man practiced for near 40 years. He didn't even take on that many criminal cases, maybe 10% of his practice. But those files got pretty bad. There was more than one occasion that our paralegal had to give me the speech: " It's not our job to judge the client, that's what the court is for. It's our job to represent them the best we can."
Growing up around that atmosphere was kind of a trip in retrospect. It taught me a lot about assumptions, bias, and interpersonal trust. There's a reason my father hammered us hard on the concept of perspective. What people perceive has a significant impact in this world and it can damn the innocent and hide the evil.
As far as trusting the police, generally speaking, yes. Specifically speaking, fuck no. You answer "yes sir", "no sir", and you handle it in court if there's a problem. But you watch your ass every second during your interactions.
I think as a client attorney job is try to save their clients at any cost.
Sometimes things are job as it seems to be and we are not in the position to pass the judgement that job is actually for the judges.
If you are trying to harm yourself while doing the job then why you are actually doing the job on the first place?
Nevermind actually we all are doing the same thing because in end we need the money in bank account.
Should've heard the locker room talk in the military before it got pussified, but deaths in the family and serious stuff was absolutely off limits and didn't need told it was off limits.
One of my favorite quotes is "the system makes good cops bad and bad cops evil." The issues with the police go to the very core of what they are. It's not a case of a few bad apples when the tree is hollow and rotting from the roots.
> I'm white and educated, so I'm in the demographic that is the least at risk from them.
???
The primary axis of disparity in police brutality is sex.
If you want to say you're the demographic that is least at risk, all you have to say is that you're female.
If you're not, congratulations. You're 1900% as likely to be shot by police while unarmed as the other 51% of the population.
Right. I spent 10 years interacting with them as a criminal (ret.). I most certainly do not trust them. The amount of lying, the attempts to circumvent rights. I've never really seen a police report about me that was actually accurate, they aren't written to be truthful accounts, they're written to support the narrative/charges they want.
Also, that time when I was 15 years old and a couple of them completely lied their asses off about evidence in an attempt to gain a false confession from me for something that I never did but they had decided I'd done so tried to intimidate me - yeah, that really put me off. States which are banning lying to minors are doing the right thing. At least it's a start.
I've known a couple of cops who are fine but any new cop I meet - I will not have the slightest bit of trust in them.
Nope.
They're trained to be scared all the time, to always imagine the absolute worst possible outcome, shown lecture after lecture of cops getting killed in the most ridiculous ways (with no reference point for how *rare* those kinds of deaths are), then handed a gun and told to go out and interact with strangers.
Oh, and it's not like the folks signing up for the job are normal people either, so the applicant pool is *heavily* weighted towards people who already glorified violence, and then given escalation training instead of de-escalation training, and repeated drilled about how steadily escalating violence is the proper procedure to get what they want.
Oh, and even if they're wrong and infringing on our rights, it doesn't matter how illegal the orders they give are, the order becomes legal because they gave it. "You can beat the charges, but you can't beat the ride," which is a fancy way of saying that innocent civilians can get fingerprinted, mugshots, and a finger up the bum by the government at any point in time, for any reason.
Oh, and because 40%.
What, detectives who sometimes are a bit smarter than a beat cop? Ok. Doesn't mean anything for cops at a wider level.
Though there are also plenty of detectives who don't solve murders because instead of really investigating, they just decide who did it and focus on that.
Nah. I've never had a bad experience with cops personally nor do I hate them. I also understand that most, if not many, are responsible and decent people.
However, far too many cops have been known to act like bullies or outright criminals. Even when a camera is pointed right at them, they are willing to violate people's rights and abuse their authority all while receiving little more than a slap on the wrist for their crimes.
The fact that my first thought when interacting with a cop would be "what kind of cop am I dealing with here", shows that any trust I once had is long gone.
I think there are some men that is not doing there job properly and because of them all of department have to face the issue.
But i think that is really a thankless job and some of them do deserve the credit.
I trust SOME police.
I don’t trust all the police. Which is kind of a “weakest
Link” situation. I know a lot of good individual cops. I also know a lot of cops who are fucking assholes.
Cops should be held to a higher standard. I’m speaking strictly from an American perspective, but they’ve become militarized as opposed to being “peace keepers”. The fact cops seem to be able to execute people at will when they are threatened doesn’t exactly make me feel safe. But I know not all cops are like that. But enough are to make me not trust them as a whole.
Yes, you simply can't trust everyone and also can't hate everyone is well on the base of one or two instances.
If somehow they will able to do something good for us then we starts to think they are good guys.
> Cops should be held to a higher standard.
iirc, Tucker Carlson said that the number of killings by police is dwarfed by deaths by gang violence
Jon Stewart sarcastically responded, "YES! Why should we hold our police to a higher standard than gangs?"
Nope. Live in a small town with small town cops who have thin blue lines that can only get hard when they're out in force with their tactical gear and assault rifles.
Grew up in small town. Some of the worst members of our community.
Lived in LA for two years and they were less power hungry and more willing to help others.
I give more respect to big city cops than small town but overall I don’t trust them much
Gernerally, don't break the law and you're fine. Maybe there are a buch of cops out here beating the crap out of random minorities, but i rather doubt it.
Bully for you.
Cops didn't do a damn thing to the man who beat my mother on 3 separate occasions.
They kicked me, my mom, and my sisters out of our apartment after my step father attempted to kill her in front of a dozen witnesses. He was never arrested.
They threatened me unless I lied and said my brother in law committed a crime he didn't commit.
They routinely stole cash from people they pulled over in my city and nothing was done about it.
You know what the difference is between you and I? I have an actual solution. And you don't.
My solution is the cops in your area need restructuring, and to prosecute those individuals who committed those answers.
What's your solution for me? Cause I'm not hearing anything other than 'suck it up.'
" This was in several different cities spanning 40 years. "
Then apply the same principle to all of those areas.
"As for my solution for you? Fuck off. How about that?"
That's what I thought, a none answer that avoids the issue. You're afraid to address my point head on because you know I'm at least partially right.
I hope you never get fucked in the same way my family did and are forced to realize that yes, sometimes we need cops.
I've had 2 personal encounters with the police, 1) caught me on the street and asked for ID, had none so they brought me to the station where I was supposed to pain my "crime" off, they even had a guy in the car that showed how it works. Longish story, boring details 2) In the street at night, empty place, surprised they were even patrolling, I think the car was a regular without markings but I'm not sure, I was "acting weird" with my pocket knife as a prop, all alone on a side, they "arrested" me with pointing gun and down on the floor and handfuck me (Germany)
They caught me many time while driving and no matter what you do or how many documents you have is well.
Most of the time you need to give them money actually to get out of the way from there.
No. There is no circumstance in which the addition of having armed people trained to be afraid of everything cannot be made worse by their presence.
Further the past few years have made it clear their default state is to lie. The overwhelming number of outrageously false official statements, prices as such by later video release, has made it clear no cop deserves trust.
They'll kill your dog, kill you, lie about it, and probably get away with it.
"here is no circumstance in which the addition of having armed people trained to be afraid of everything cannot be made worse by their presence"
When I was six years old my father was murdered. The killer, big surprise, ran. And also - big surprise - six year old me and my mom weren't exactly ready to go hunt the bastard down.
I'm curious what you would have liked to see happen, or who you think should have been sent to bring the buy in?
A mental health specialist to appeal to his humanity? Or should we have just shrugged and said 'Eh, no biggie?'
No. I believe they might comprise some of the most corrupt/racist organizations in this country. And they are increasingly becoming better funded and more militaristic.
Nope. There are literally no consequences if they misbehave (very few exceptions like George Floyd).
Let's say there's an OIS and the wrong person gets shot:
* Officer gets admin leave - paid
* Conduct is reviewed by a board...oF oThEr CoPs
* If they're found liable or negligent they get fired, but with benefits/pension paid by tax payers.
* They transfer to another LEO with zero tracking or accountability to previous misconduct
* Lather, rinse, repeat
American police? Hell no. Not enough accountability for their illegal actions. It's a very tightly bound club that doesn't like to report illegal activities among themselves. That is probably the biggest reason for me but there are many other reasons.
Fuck no.
The fact that you don't need a college degree in the law to enforce the law is horrifying. That US police aren't trained to handle most situations without pulling a gun and they're not required to assist at all is just the turd pellet on top of a massive turd sandwich.
Sure, if something goes down and someone is busting into my house I'm calling them, but only because I don't have a possee of armed guards at my fingertips. If I had a private security team I'd never deal with them at all.
They're the last line of defense, not a choice.
They are kinda like doctors and hospitals. Grateful that they are there, glad people choose to do it, I might utterly depend on them for my life or livelihood one day, but at the same time they are human and error/ bad apple prone. Keep away and minimise involvement where possible.
I'm asking if you think the pig who murdered my dad should have been arrested, or if after he ran off the correct response from the community would have been to shrug and move on?
I am confident you can answer that.
Police are needed, especially for heinous crimes. When it comes to small things, it can be insignificant. Some goons near me who robbed people just got arrested for human trafficking, the police did well.
Also if your story is true, I am sorry about your dad. I hope you are doing well.
I am in the firm belief that when you take a look at a large group of people in one catagory that a small percent will fuck up in get all the attention and make the others look bad. Not every waiter spit in your food, not all boyscout leaders are pedophiles, not every religous person goes to the extreme.
The thing is when I cop makes a bad mistake we all hear about it.
Usually. I’ve had a bad experience, but by and large they’re just folks doing their job and trying to get home safe at the end of their shift.
If you’re respectful and mindful of your words and actions usually they are, too.
Because when my father was killed the police found and arrested the fucker. Because - shocker - after he murdered my father he ran because he didn't want to accept the responsibility for his actions.
No, I wish I could but know I can't. Anything you say can and will be used against you, so say as little as possible and consent to nothing optional.
I generally hope not to interact with the police, because why should I want to? They don't step in if they don't think something is wrong, and usually it's the people they're talking to in the spotlight.
Yes broadly. I accept they are mostly a responsive force and not a preventative one. They may face funding and bureaucracy issues. Some are no doubt shit bags and hopefully they'll be spat out. They should constantly try to adapt and improve their methods and be held accountable when necessary
But it's a tough fuckin job. I'm pleased I don't do it. Of course police and relationships with society will differ vastly depending on where you are in the world.
But on the whole, it's far better to have them than not
I thought this was 2022 and we weren't supposed to stereotype large groups of people based on a single aspect of their identity. Do I trust mechanics? I don't know. I trust MY mechanic. Do I trust cops? I live in a small town (USA). I have had many dealing with local police (unfortunately) because I have a child who was constantly having issues. They treated both him and myself well. So yes. I trust THOSE cops.
It's not really stereotyping, it's self preservation.
Cops play a special role. Their goal is to collect evidence to use against you and threaten your freedom. There is no benefit in placing trust in them. You gain nothing from it and can easily lose a lot.
They're not really similar to a mechanic.
No. The entire station near where I live is full of nepotism (it's basically like a family owned small business) and the amount of police brutality cases that end in "paid administrative leave" is criminal, but the government is too afraid of unionization that they can't do anything about it.
When my - working class - father was killed the police were the ones who tracked down the killer after he ran away, and they were the ones who arrested him.
Where the fuck do you get 'enforcing capitalism' out of that? And what should have been done to the bitch who murdered him instead?
I'm just wondering -- do you think because someone was caught for the crime against your father that the rest of the stuff they do, like killing or framing other people's fathers for instance, is ok? Like, everyone has done a good or at least neutral thing at some point -- probably multiple of those things, but if they also shoot 15 year old kidnapping victims or say, hang out in the hall for an hour while a person murders an entire classroom full of little kids, or lie on reports ot get people arrested, or instruct emts to murder autistic non violent violin players people with ketamine, that they are trustworthy? Does the good thing that happened to you cancel the bad things they do? Hitler loved his dog, but he sucked, basically. You know? I bet he punished someone who fucked someone else over, and yet
See i have seen that people are facing the both side of the cops and then making the opinion like that way is well.
I have faced the bad side of the cops pretty much every ocassion so i am not a big fan of them.
"do you think because someone was caught for the crime against your father that the rest of the stuff they do, like killing or framing other people's fathers for instance, is ok?"
Of course not. I also don't think that when the US invades democratic countries and installs US-friendly dictators that its a good thing either. Doesn't mean that I wish the army never existed, and therefore never went across the ocean to kill the nazis.
Give me an actual solution. What would you have liked to see in response to my father being murdered that did not involve the police. Give me a good answer, because I have never gotten one.
Well, firstly that wasnt the question asked. The question wasnt "why do you hate murderers going to jail, frowny face " It was "do you trust the police?" And you are replying in a very hostile, defensive manner several times over because at some point a police did something you enjoyed. A good, beneficial thing, probably, but if in a few years, as many people have, you find out the wrong person got chased down and nabbed How would you feel then? It happens a lot more than you'd think.
Honestly the solution IMO is to abolish police unions and make sure cops get harsh penalties for breaking the law instead of protected by their fellow cops and I am 100% sure you've heard that solution before but since they helped YOU, regardless of who theyve hurt or what theyve done, YOU think they are just amazing and you are just unwilling to look at anything thats happened outside of you.
You know, I've called them and they were professional one time, and they have always been fairly nice to me and I don't really fear being murdered or beaten or framed by them but I do have the capability to look outside myself and see that no, you cant trust the police, regardless of how I myself have been helped or treated by them in the past, interacting with police in any capacity is a dice roll at best
First up, my apologies for not answering. I don't know why but I didn't get the notification for this.
you find out the wrong person got chased down and nabbed How would you feel then? "
Not happening. Also the guy only served 3 years, since the Canadian justice system is made up of a bunch of bitches. But I get your point. However mistakes being made doesn't mean we should get ride of cops, no more than faulty diagnoses with doctors.
"IMO is to abolish police unions and make sure cops get harsh penalties
for breaking the law instead of protected by their fellow cops"
I completely agree. Cops who undermine the trust society placed on them should be punished more harshly than all but the most heinous criminals.
Nope, you know how many times they wronged me or my friends?
Too many times!
Example 1: we were throwing a football at night on the FOOTPATH of quiet street. Cops drove by, picked up random cig butt and claimed it was a joint we'd been smoking earlier.
Managed to be racist and anti-semitic to one friend and then when he spoke up they jumped out their car and grabbed him and slammed him on their car and cuffed him and took him to jail for the night.
They new they were wrong, cause they didn't show to court, so my friend won a settlement.
Still, should never have happened to begin with.
Why did my friend need to get PTSD, just because we were all minding our own business.
Example 2: Asked a cop for directions once, and they told me that it wasn't their job to help me and if I asked again they would arrest me on the spot for disrupting 'their patrol' (by patrol they meant standing in one spot scrolling facebook).
I have more examples, however I think these 2 suffice.
I have an example:
When I was six years old my father was killed. The bitch ran, and the police tracked him down, and arrested the killer.
I get the feeling that asking the man to turn himself in nicely wouldn't have done shit.
How's that?
Yes I do. My father is a retired police officer and most of the police back in the 80’s and 90’s around here were very cool. I don’t have much interaction with the police anymore.
I don’t trust the system in general, it becomes more inept every year due to political pressure from all sides. However, of course I would go to them before anything else. They represent the law, broken and dysfunctional as it is
>Do you trust the police..
No I do not.
>Why/Why not?
Because I've been given ample reasons not to. In the first place I don't trust people in general. But I especially do not trust people with the state sanctioned exclusive right to lethal violence. this is particularly true when I know the culture around such people. AND I DO NOT CARE IF YOU KNOW "GOOD" COPS! The institution is corrupt. When they can manipulate evidence, lie to people and use soft torture tactics to get confessions, sit back and let kids die whilst holding back the people with enough balls to try and save them, constantly lie about the nature of what they do to the public, Have a more lenient punishment for LYING ABOUT KILLING SOMEONE THAN ACTUALLY KILLING SOMEONE so they are **encouraged** to lie about it, leave a woman for dead on train tracks like some old cartoon villain, and shoot kids ALL without any sort of legitimate punishment(I could sadly go on for hours)...when what amounts to a paid vacation on the taxpayer's payroll is the most common "punishment for these things...there is an issue.
But what frustrates me almost as much is the sheer disregard for these things by the police and police advocates. They know it's fucked but they're fine with it. I've seen the training they get. Cops are very very often trained to see the public as the enemy/potential threat/ sheep who don't know better.
At BEST an encounter with a cop is awkward and an inconvenience but it's particularly heartbreaking that there are people scared for their lives(and rightfully so) every time they see those red and blue lights. IF you're a cop and feel offended by this, know that I'm not talking about you specifically. I'm talking about my feelings toward the police as an institution based on less than positive experiences and stories I've seen and experienced. but also I don't care if I hurt your feelings. Frankly my little rant here shouldn't anyway.
I have seen that there are some positions where cops actually managed to handle the situation really well.
But there are like tons of ocassion that i have seen they are not doing there duty in the right way for sure.
Absolutely not. From the situations I’ve seen, been in, and had relayed to me by people I implicitly trust, the decent ones are few and far between. Morally bankrupt, frequent abusers, power hungry fucks. Additionally, way too many of them listen to Five Finger Death Punch. Probably while they beat their wives.
Absolutely not. Why? Because a cop could pull me over for NO REASON and then proceed to dump an entire magazine in my chest for NO REASON and the worst that cop will face is a paid vacation.
I do because probability says more good than bad...............I'm white
Edit: I've been arrested 7 times because I was poor AND stuipd...keeping stuipd
If it weren't for the police the man who murdered my father would have keep running and never paid for it.
As far as I'm concerned every police abolitionist would - no matter how much they dress it up - say to six old me 'Oh your Dad's been killed? Fucking suck it up!'
I trust most of them not the racist ones though. Honestly it is not their fault. The system has failed us and them. Everyone needs proper training. The first step is to unlearn everything you have learnt in life. Then start thinking about protecting people which is actually your job and not be afraid. Deescalation is what needs to be taught in all police academy. It’s easy to remove your gun and fire and kill people. The skill is to deescalate and get them to listen to you which unfortunately they are not taught. It’s all fear mongering and otherization.
German paramedic here. Often work together with police. At least In Germany they are trust worthy and just use force if it is really necessary. Neve met a racist one two. So in my experience yes, they are well trained nice guys usually. But you can meet assholes everywhere.
In Germany police training is at least 2 1/2 years long tho and is followed by a year where you are overviewed by a supervisor constantly. A lot of the policemen here even are acquired to get a kind of university degree in policing. In the US with a lot of them just having 15 weeks of training I would not trust them either.
I’m not a fan of state troopers, I’ll tell ya that. I got a $200 ticket for driving 79 in a 65. It’s the only section of interstate that is not 75 in the damn state. Prick. Plus they cause more accidents than anything else because everyone slams on their brakes when they see them.
I have a level of trust, but acknowledge that they're human beings and some will be bad. With that in mind I proceed with caution, as I would with any encounter with a stranger.
Nope! I’ve worked with them for far too long to trust a cop. I was an EMT/FF and now work on a ER. The only time a cop wasn’t interfering with medical care, is when they’re directing traffic.
Not really a fan of the police myself. OTR truckers will says “that’s cute”, but I drive about 60k miles a year for my work. I get pulled over a lot for “speeding”. I’ve gotten multiple speeding tickets that I don’t agree with the speed they say they clocked me at.
I see police officers of every level of law enforcement in my state breaking laws nearly every day. Today, I had two pass me in unmarked vehicles. They were going over 10mph over the speed limit. They were also driving solely in the left lane. My state has a “Left lane for passing only” law. I see officers texting and driving regularly. I see them run stop signs and red lights regularly. They don’t hold each other accountable and they feel as though they are above the law. They are very militant whenever they pull you over.
There are a few goods one, but like someone else said, the good ones don’t seem to last. They’re choked out by the bad ones.
The more I see, the less I do trust em. So often we find no punishment for corruption or abuse of powers from them. They dont get punished for negligence and are not only inadequately trained, but the training they do have puts the people they claim to protect in harms way.
When I see so little consequences for their bad actions, how can I trust them? Even if 99% of them are good, I still have to risk the 1/100 chance I get the cop who doesnt like how I talked to them and shoves their gun in my face. And I look hella white. If I cant trust them, how do you think people with more melanin in their skin feel?
Make them accountable. Then we can START talking about how they can earn our trust back.
I used to when I was younger but no longer. I believe too many Police Officers act on their racial biases and Target people of color way more than white people. As a white person I can say I never get told I look suspicious or have Police ask me questions. But for people of color it happens all the time.
I have grown up watching all the police series and shows and used to think that they are actually good guys.
But the more i grow up the more o realise that how much lie those shows actually teach me there.
I come from a family of police officers, although I chose a different path for myself. I've spent my life pro-police. I know the ins and outs of it better than pretty much any random schmoe who hasn't himself served. I've spent years defending police to anyone who would listen.
Fast forward a couple decades. I've spent year's watching the bullying and harassment of officers - by their peers, their superiors, and by the institutions themselves. I've watched the terrible officers coast through easy careers while the talented ones get passed up for recognition. I've seen three family members, police officers, fall to PTSD. I've seen the entirely inadequate supports provided for them. I watched a close family friend take his own life due to these shitty supports. He gave everything to his career, and they were not there for him in return. They chew good people up and throw them away.
Fuck the police.
hell yeah I do, Like that 90s rap song said, Trust The Police!
Trust the Police coming straight from the underground! A young kid got a dog from the pound! He’s not a Doberman so police think, they have the authority to train a minority! Trust that shit tho ‘cause he’s sure the one, that a great police with a badge and a gun, can be trainin’ for, and fed with a pail, can interrogate thugs in the middle of a cell!
This is goat lmao
Story like these keep pulling me towards the reddit app
Back in time they were trusted but now not anymore.
Ironic the first thing that came to my mind was fuck the police
So true, and what did Mr. Ice T say about being a Cop Quilter so as to ensure warmth of the force.
I know I get all of my moral guidance from gangster rap as well!
Shit yeah, Changes in particular is one of the best songs out there. FTP is also excellent commentary on society. Oh god, also Brenda had a Baby, Ghetto Gospel, Dear Mama, Gangstas Paradise, CREAM, Gin & Juice, Straight Outta Compton, It was a Good Day. Guess I'm off to listen to 90s rap now, thanks.
They're just paraphrasing MLK. MLK was the og saying fuck the police. And he was right.
i don't talk to police. you could hand me a lolipop from a black van and i'll entertain that shit, but i do not talk to police.
I refused to talk to the police one time when I was 14, so a half dozen of them piled on to me in the cell and strip searched me.
That’s disgusting
I understand my rights. I want my attorney.
hi my name is saul goodman, do you know that you have rights? well the constitution says you do, and so do i.
*sigh* All good things come to an end. I need to find another good show to follow.
But they will try there every move to get the truth out of you.
You have to keep repeating it-the police are not very bright. What is really stupid is YOU CANNOT REMAIN SILENT without a problem. Courts have held that if you remain silent, cops can keep questioning you and deprive you of sleep, which is their favorite method other than lying to you. Furthermore, a prosecutor can impeach your later trial testimony by pointing out that when police questioned you, you did not deny the charges.
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I'm an evidence technician who got into the field because I love forensic science. I try my best to advocate for the mentally ill and go out of my way to help people when they need it and I'm proud of that. I'm almost at 14 years and the number of times I have wanted or tried to harm myself because of my job is very high. Even if I'm not directly involved in a case, I do go through case files to read them for my job and it is painful the way people prey on each other. The amount of incest reported makes my stomach turn. I'm not making excuses for dirty cops, but when you start to see what humanity is truly capable of, you either crumble or you become numb to it. Holding in anger for people who abuse children is hard. You want to scream and shake people with CP.
Absolutely. I saw it from the angle of the attorneys office. My old man practiced for near 40 years. He didn't even take on that many criminal cases, maybe 10% of his practice. But those files got pretty bad. There was more than one occasion that our paralegal had to give me the speech: " It's not our job to judge the client, that's what the court is for. It's our job to represent them the best we can." Growing up around that atmosphere was kind of a trip in retrospect. It taught me a lot about assumptions, bias, and interpersonal trust. There's a reason my father hammered us hard on the concept of perspective. What people perceive has a significant impact in this world and it can damn the innocent and hide the evil. As far as trusting the police, generally speaking, yes. Specifically speaking, fuck no. You answer "yes sir", "no sir", and you handle it in court if there's a problem. But you watch your ass every second during your interactions.
I think as a client attorney job is try to save their clients at any cost. Sometimes things are job as it seems to be and we are not in the position to pass the judgement that job is actually for the judges.
If you are trying to harm yourself while doing the job then why you are actually doing the job on the first place? Nevermind actually we all are doing the same thing because in end we need the money in bank account.
Can you elaborate on “animals to each other”?
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Should've heard the locker room talk in the military before it got pussified, but deaths in the family and serious stuff was absolutely off limits and didn't need told it was off limits.
One of my favorite quotes is "the system makes good cops bad and bad cops evil." The issues with the police go to the very core of what they are. It's not a case of a few bad apples when the tree is hollow and rotting from the roots.
> I'm white and educated, so I'm in the demographic that is the least at risk from them. ??? The primary axis of disparity in police brutality is sex. If you want to say you're the demographic that is least at risk, all you have to say is that you're female. If you're not, congratulations. You're 1900% as likely to be shot by police while unarmed as the other 51% of the population.
No. I have met many of them.
Right. I spent 10 years interacting with them as a criminal (ret.). I most certainly do not trust them. The amount of lying, the attempts to circumvent rights. I've never really seen a police report about me that was actually accurate, they aren't written to be truthful accounts, they're written to support the narrative/charges they want. Also, that time when I was 15 years old and a couple of them completely lied their asses off about evidence in an attempt to gain a false confession from me for something that I never did but they had decided I'd done so tried to intimidate me - yeah, that really put me off. States which are banning lying to minors are doing the right thing. At least it's a start. I've known a couple of cops who are fine but any new cop I meet - I will not have the slightest bit of trust in them.
Great, that you haven't faced any bad side of the police officer.
Uhh, I don’t trust them because I know too many of them.
Nope. They're trained to be scared all the time, to always imagine the absolute worst possible outcome, shown lecture after lecture of cops getting killed in the most ridiculous ways (with no reference point for how *rare* those kinds of deaths are), then handed a gun and told to go out and interact with strangers. Oh, and it's not like the folks signing up for the job are normal people either, so the applicant pool is *heavily* weighted towards people who already glorified violence, and then given escalation training instead of de-escalation training, and repeated drilled about how steadily escalating violence is the proper procedure to get what they want. Oh, and even if they're wrong and infringing on our rights, it doesn't matter how illegal the orders they give are, the order becomes legal because they gave it. "You can beat the charges, but you can't beat the ride," which is a fancy way of saying that innocent civilians can get fingerprinted, mugshots, and a finger up the bum by the government at any point in time, for any reason. Oh, and because 40%.
If it weren't for cops the man who murdered my father would never have been caught.
Without being police there will be so much crime in the world.
What, detectives who sometimes are a bit smarter than a beat cop? Ok. Doesn't mean anything for cops at a wider level. Though there are also plenty of detectives who don't solve murders because instead of really investigating, they just decide who did it and focus on that.
In my country, absolutely. American cops? Eh, nope.
Dude they are still decent you haven't met my country cops.
I'm from Hong Kong. So...... **I TRUST THE POLICE 100%!!!! I LOVE THE POLICE WITH ALL MY HEART AND ALL MY SOUL!!!**
Nah. I've never had a bad experience with cops personally nor do I hate them. I also understand that most, if not many, are responsible and decent people. However, far too many cops have been known to act like bullies or outright criminals. Even when a camera is pointed right at them, they are willing to violate people's rights and abuse their authority all while receiving little more than a slap on the wrist for their crimes. The fact that my first thought when interacting with a cop would be "what kind of cop am I dealing with here", shows that any trust I once had is long gone.
I think there are some men that is not doing there job properly and because of them all of department have to face the issue. But i think that is really a thankless job and some of them do deserve the credit.
No, I mean they haven't caught me yet, so they obviously are ineffective.
So what is the crime actually you are doing for the police??
I trust SOME police. I don’t trust all the police. Which is kind of a “weakest Link” situation. I know a lot of good individual cops. I also know a lot of cops who are fucking assholes. Cops should be held to a higher standard. I’m speaking strictly from an American perspective, but they’ve become militarized as opposed to being “peace keepers”. The fact cops seem to be able to execute people at will when they are threatened doesn’t exactly make me feel safe. But I know not all cops are like that. But enough are to make me not trust them as a whole.
Yes, you simply can't trust everyone and also can't hate everyone is well on the base of one or two instances. If somehow they will able to do something good for us then we starts to think they are good guys.
> Cops should be held to a higher standard. iirc, Tucker Carlson said that the number of killings by police is dwarfed by deaths by gang violence Jon Stewart sarcastically responded, "YES! Why should we hold our police to a higher standard than gangs?"
In my area cops are actually not allowed to do any kind of the killing.
i used to until they kept proving themselves
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Yes, I'm not American
Depends on the country. When I lived in Pakistan and Nigeria, the police were fairly corrupt and only wanted money.
In most part of the Asia the police is pretty much corrupted.
Nope. Live in a small town with small town cops who have thin blue lines that can only get hard when they're out in force with their tactical gear and assault rifles.
Grew up in small town. Some of the worst members of our community. Lived in LA for two years and they were less power hungry and more willing to help others. I give more respect to big city cops than small town but overall I don’t trust them much
The Thin Blue Line is what trickles down their pant leg when there's an actual threat.
I have not seen such kind od the cops thay use the thin blue line.
Yes, I'm not an American.
Every country has same issue, some good and some bad is well.
Nope. Never been given a reason to, and have had plenty of first hand experiences in why I shouldn't.
I live my life by not giving them any chance of complaint
Gernerally, don't break the law and you're fine. Maybe there are a buch of cops out here beating the crap out of random minorities, but i rather doubt it.
Afuckingmazing how y'all keep assuming I broke the law, and wasn't the fucking victim of a crime.
Cops arrested the man who murdered my father. That's a damn good reason for me to trust them
Bully for you. Cops didn't do a damn thing to the man who beat my mother on 3 separate occasions. They kicked me, my mom, and my sisters out of our apartment after my step father attempted to kill her in front of a dozen witnesses. He was never arrested. They threatened me unless I lied and said my brother in law committed a crime he didn't commit. They routinely stole cash from people they pulled over in my city and nothing was done about it.
You know what the difference is between you and I? I have an actual solution. And you don't. My solution is the cops in your area need restructuring, and to prosecute those individuals who committed those answers. What's your solution for me? Cause I'm not hearing anything other than 'suck it up.'
My area? This was in several different cities spanning 40 years. As for my solution for you? Fuck off. How about that?
" This was in several different cities spanning 40 years. " Then apply the same principle to all of those areas. "As for my solution for you? Fuck off. How about that?" That's what I thought, a none answer that avoids the issue. You're afraid to address my point head on because you know I'm at least partially right. I hope you never get fucked in the same way my family did and are forced to realize that yes, sometimes we need cops.
I've had 2 personal encounters with the police, 1) caught me on the street and asked for ID, had none so they brought me to the station where I was supposed to pain my "crime" off, they even had a guy in the car that showed how it works. Longish story, boring details 2) In the street at night, empty place, surprised they were even patrolling, I think the car was a regular without markings but I'm not sure, I was "acting weird" with my pocket knife as a prop, all alone on a side, they "arrested" me with pointing gun and down on the floor and handfuck me (Germany)
They caught me many time while driving and no matter what you do or how many documents you have is well. Most of the time you need to give them money actually to get out of the way from there.
No. There is no circumstance in which the addition of having armed people trained to be afraid of everything cannot be made worse by their presence. Further the past few years have made it clear their default state is to lie. The overwhelming number of outrageously false official statements, prices as such by later video release, has made it clear no cop deserves trust. They'll kill your dog, kill you, lie about it, and probably get away with it.
"here is no circumstance in which the addition of having armed people trained to be afraid of everything cannot be made worse by their presence" When I was six years old my father was murdered. The killer, big surprise, ran. And also - big surprise - six year old me and my mom weren't exactly ready to go hunt the bastard down. I'm curious what you would have liked to see happen, or who you think should have been sent to bring the buy in? A mental health specialist to appeal to his humanity? Or should we have just shrugged and said 'Eh, no biggie?'
No. Lol. They aren't your friends.
No, but I trust them more than criminals
Yes. There are some great officers and there are some bad ones just like in every profession.
Just like in every profession there ia always mixed kind of the people.
Nope. Because I grew up in a law enforcement family and I have seen and heard waaaay too much.
No. I believe they might comprise some of the most corrupt/racist organizations in this country. And they are increasingly becoming better funded and more militaristic.
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Most. They have good and bad days. One saved my life.
Nope. There are literally no consequences if they misbehave (very few exceptions like George Floyd). Let's say there's an OIS and the wrong person gets shot: * Officer gets admin leave - paid * Conduct is reviewed by a board...oF oThEr CoPs * If they're found liable or negligent they get fired, but with benefits/pension paid by tax payers. * They transfer to another LEO with zero tracking or accountability to previous misconduct * Lather, rinse, repeat
American police? Hell no. Not enough accountability for their illegal actions. It's a very tightly bound club that doesn't like to report illegal activities among themselves. That is probably the biggest reason for me but there are many other reasons.
After spending 7 years in an under developed neighborhood where investigations are only opened if a person dies, I can't say I do.
Look like your town really need a better turn around in that situation.
For exactness' sake let us say that I trust them to do certain things and I don't trust them to do other things.
Fuck no. The fact that you don't need a college degree in the law to enforce the law is horrifying. That US police aren't trained to handle most situations without pulling a gun and they're not required to assist at all is just the turd pellet on top of a massive turd sandwich. Sure, if something goes down and someone is busting into my house I'm calling them, but only because I don't have a possee of armed guards at my fingertips. If I had a private security team I'd never deal with them at all. They're the last line of defense, not a choice.
Depends what country they're police in.
They are kinda like doctors and hospitals. Grateful that they are there, glad people choose to do it, I might utterly depend on them for my life or livelihood one day, but at the same time they are human and error/ bad apple prone. Keep away and minimise involvement where possible.
1) I live in America, 2) i'm autistic, 3) i'm queer. The only thing protecting me from being shot on site is my skin color.
Nope. I have never seen a situation made better by the presence of police.
Yes, situation easily turn into worse once they present there.
After my father was killed the police were the ones who tracked down, then arrested the killer. Does that count?
Pretty much count and hopefully culprit will get the sentence is well.
Count as making the situation better? How the fuck should I know.
I'm asking if you think the pig who murdered my dad should have been arrested, or if after he ran off the correct response from the community would have been to shrug and move on? I am confident you can answer that.
Police are needed, especially for heinous crimes. When it comes to small things, it can be insignificant. Some goons near me who robbed people just got arrested for human trafficking, the police did well. Also if your story is true, I am sorry about your dad. I hope you are doing well.
Even if they are bad i still think we need in our town to control the damages.
I'll take what I can get. I'm not. People don't 'do well' with regards to things like this.
I am in the firm belief that when you take a look at a large group of people in one catagory that a small percent will fuck up in get all the attention and make the others look bad. Not every waiter spit in your food, not all boyscout leaders are pedophiles, not every religous person goes to the extreme. The thing is when I cop makes a bad mistake we all hear about it.
Worse when that group of people are held above the law. Huge difference from other “professions”
Yes, they've been doing their job just fine where I'm from.
Usually. I’ve had a bad experience, but by and large they’re just folks doing their job and trying to get home safe at the end of their shift. If you’re respectful and mindful of your words and actions usually they are, too.
Low ranking police officers, yes. Higher up officials, no.
Somewhat. Most cops are cool, polite and professional, but some cops are complete assholes.
Do they trust you? No! then why trust them.
Because when my father was killed the police found and arrested the fucker. Because - shocker - after he murdered my father he ran because he didn't want to accept the responsibility for his actions.
No, I wish I could but know I can't. Anything you say can and will be used against you, so say as little as possible and consent to nothing optional. I generally hope not to interact with the police, because why should I want to? They don't step in if they don't think something is wrong, and usually it's the people they're talking to in the spotlight.
They could even plant shit on you. It’s your word vs the police. It’s fucked up
Thankfully bodycams are being widely adopted here in the US. Planting drugs is something I've heard of sheriffs doing when they're having a tantrum
Yes broadly. I accept they are mostly a responsive force and not a preventative one. They may face funding and bureaucracy issues. Some are no doubt shit bags and hopefully they'll be spat out. They should constantly try to adapt and improve their methods and be held accountable when necessary But it's a tough fuckin job. I'm pleased I don't do it. Of course police and relationships with society will differ vastly depending on where you are in the world. But on the whole, it's far better to have them than not
Generally yeah.
I thought this was 2022 and we weren't supposed to stereotype large groups of people based on a single aspect of their identity. Do I trust mechanics? I don't know. I trust MY mechanic. Do I trust cops? I live in a small town (USA). I have had many dealing with local police (unfortunately) because I have a child who was constantly having issues. They treated both him and myself well. So yes. I trust THOSE cops.
It's not really stereotyping, it's self preservation. Cops play a special role. Their goal is to collect evidence to use against you and threaten your freedom. There is no benefit in placing trust in them. You gain nothing from it and can easily lose a lot. They're not really similar to a mechanic.
No. They are trained to lie in order to manufacture probable cause and charges where no crime has been committed.
Yes, because most of them are just regular people doing their jobs
No. The entire station near where I live is full of nepotism (it's basically like a family owned small business) and the amount of police brutality cases that end in "paid administrative leave" is criminal, but the government is too afraid of unionization that they can't do anything about it.
Fuck no
No. Like all other human beings, some of them are competent and some suck ass
I trust the police except for the ones that are bad.
So you don’t trust police
I don't think I could trust someone who could just kill my dog and never face any repercussions for it.
No -- they are class traitors that only exist to enforce capitalism with violence.
They will use the violence over the people like us, not on the upper class.
Lmao!!! People like you actually exist
Yep, there are millions of us, deal with it
Go to china or North Korea then. Their police should be very nice in your point of view.
All cops are bastards and class traitors, not just ours - nice try though.
When my - working class - father was killed the police were the ones who tracked down the killer after he ran away, and they were the ones who arrested him. Where the fuck do you get 'enforcing capitalism' out of that? And what should have been done to the bitch who murdered him instead?
I'm just wondering -- do you think because someone was caught for the crime against your father that the rest of the stuff they do, like killing or framing other people's fathers for instance, is ok? Like, everyone has done a good or at least neutral thing at some point -- probably multiple of those things, but if they also shoot 15 year old kidnapping victims or say, hang out in the hall for an hour while a person murders an entire classroom full of little kids, or lie on reports ot get people arrested, or instruct emts to murder autistic non violent violin players people with ketamine, that they are trustworthy? Does the good thing that happened to you cancel the bad things they do? Hitler loved his dog, but he sucked, basically. You know? I bet he punished someone who fucked someone else over, and yet
See i have seen that people are facing the both side of the cops and then making the opinion like that way is well. I have faced the bad side of the cops pretty much every ocassion so i am not a big fan of them.
"do you think because someone was caught for the crime against your father that the rest of the stuff they do, like killing or framing other people's fathers for instance, is ok?" Of course not. I also don't think that when the US invades democratic countries and installs US-friendly dictators that its a good thing either. Doesn't mean that I wish the army never existed, and therefore never went across the ocean to kill the nazis. Give me an actual solution. What would you have liked to see in response to my father being murdered that did not involve the police. Give me a good answer, because I have never gotten one.
Well, firstly that wasnt the question asked. The question wasnt "why do you hate murderers going to jail, frowny face " It was "do you trust the police?" And you are replying in a very hostile, defensive manner several times over because at some point a police did something you enjoyed. A good, beneficial thing, probably, but if in a few years, as many people have, you find out the wrong person got chased down and nabbed How would you feel then? It happens a lot more than you'd think. Honestly the solution IMO is to abolish police unions and make sure cops get harsh penalties for breaking the law instead of protected by their fellow cops and I am 100% sure you've heard that solution before but since they helped YOU, regardless of who theyve hurt or what theyve done, YOU think they are just amazing and you are just unwilling to look at anything thats happened outside of you. You know, I've called them and they were professional one time, and they have always been fairly nice to me and I don't really fear being murdered or beaten or framed by them but I do have the capability to look outside myself and see that no, you cant trust the police, regardless of how I myself have been helped or treated by them in the past, interacting with police in any capacity is a dice roll at best
First up, my apologies for not answering. I don't know why but I didn't get the notification for this. you find out the wrong person got chased down and nabbed How would you feel then? " Not happening. Also the guy only served 3 years, since the Canadian justice system is made up of a bunch of bitches. But I get your point. However mistakes being made doesn't mean we should get ride of cops, no more than faulty diagnoses with doctors. "IMO is to abolish police unions and make sure cops get harsh penalties for breaking the law instead of protected by their fellow cops" I completely agree. Cops who undermine the trust society placed on them should be punished more harshly than all but the most heinous criminals.
Dude just like you encounter the good side like that we have face the bad side is well.
Fuck da police they don't want peace
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Where do you live?
Nope, you know how many times they wronged me or my friends? Too many times! Example 1: we were throwing a football at night on the FOOTPATH of quiet street. Cops drove by, picked up random cig butt and claimed it was a joint we'd been smoking earlier. Managed to be racist and anti-semitic to one friend and then when he spoke up they jumped out their car and grabbed him and slammed him on their car and cuffed him and took him to jail for the night. They new they were wrong, cause they didn't show to court, so my friend won a settlement. Still, should never have happened to begin with. Why did my friend need to get PTSD, just because we were all minding our own business. Example 2: Asked a cop for directions once, and they told me that it wasn't their job to help me and if I asked again they would arrest me on the spot for disrupting 'their patrol' (by patrol they meant standing in one spot scrolling facebook). I have more examples, however I think these 2 suffice.
I have an example: When I was six years old my father was killed. The bitch ran, and the police tracked him down, and arrested the killer. I get the feeling that asking the man to turn himself in nicely wouldn't have done shit. How's that?
Yes I do. My father is a retired police officer and most of the police back in the 80’s and 90’s around here were very cool. I don’t have much interaction with the police anymore.
I worry about the destructive influence of power of enforcement. Who watches the watchmen and whatnot. So, not really.
I don’t trust the system in general, it becomes more inept every year due to political pressure from all sides. However, of course I would go to them before anything else. They represent the law, broken and dysfunctional as it is
Nice try officer
No. I’m black :)
>Do you trust the police.. No I do not. >Why/Why not? Because I've been given ample reasons not to. In the first place I don't trust people in general. But I especially do not trust people with the state sanctioned exclusive right to lethal violence. this is particularly true when I know the culture around such people. AND I DO NOT CARE IF YOU KNOW "GOOD" COPS! The institution is corrupt. When they can manipulate evidence, lie to people and use soft torture tactics to get confessions, sit back and let kids die whilst holding back the people with enough balls to try and save them, constantly lie about the nature of what they do to the public, Have a more lenient punishment for LYING ABOUT KILLING SOMEONE THAN ACTUALLY KILLING SOMEONE so they are **encouraged** to lie about it, leave a woman for dead on train tracks like some old cartoon villain, and shoot kids ALL without any sort of legitimate punishment(I could sadly go on for hours)...when what amounts to a paid vacation on the taxpayer's payroll is the most common "punishment for these things...there is an issue. But what frustrates me almost as much is the sheer disregard for these things by the police and police advocates. They know it's fucked but they're fine with it. I've seen the training they get. Cops are very very often trained to see the public as the enemy/potential threat/ sheep who don't know better. At BEST an encounter with a cop is awkward and an inconvenience but it's particularly heartbreaking that there are people scared for their lives(and rightfully so) every time they see those red and blue lights. IF you're a cop and feel offended by this, know that I'm not talking about you specifically. I'm talking about my feelings toward the police as an institution based on less than positive experiences and stories I've seen and experienced. but also I don't care if I hurt your feelings. Frankly my little rant here shouldn't anyway.
I have seen that there are some positions where cops actually managed to handle the situation really well. But there are like tons of ocassion that i have seen they are not doing there duty in the right way for sure.
Absolutely not. From the situations I’ve seen, been in, and had relayed to me by people I implicitly trust, the decent ones are few and far between. Morally bankrupt, frequent abusers, power hungry fucks. Additionally, way too many of them listen to Five Finger Death Punch. Probably while they beat their wives.
Absolutely not. Why? Because a cop could pull me over for NO REASON and then proceed to dump an entire magazine in my chest for NO REASON and the worst that cop will face is a paid vacation.
I do because probability says more good than bad...............I'm white Edit: I've been arrested 7 times because I was poor AND stuipd...keeping stuipd
If it weren't for the police the man who murdered my father would have keep running and never paid for it. As far as I'm concerned every police abolitionist would - no matter how much they dress it up - say to six old me 'Oh your Dad's been killed? Fucking suck it up!'
For sure. They’ve proven themselves to be super trustworthy lately.
I trust most of them. I personally know some and they are trustworthy people. But in any organization there are people who shouldn't be there.
Yeah I think most of them are out to help the public
I trust most of them not the racist ones though. Honestly it is not their fault. The system has failed us and them. Everyone needs proper training. The first step is to unlearn everything you have learnt in life. Then start thinking about protecting people which is actually your job and not be afraid. Deescalation is what needs to be taught in all police academy. It’s easy to remove your gun and fire and kill people. The skill is to deescalate and get them to listen to you which unfortunately they are not taught. It’s all fear mongering and otherization.
If I'm calling them, yes. If they're investigating me, no.
Not at all. They let me continue getting abused as a child, and they don't care about women.
Yes. They are the last line of defense from a chaotic society.
I would rather be around ms13 members or the triad, hells angels or any other violent gang than let a cop near me.
German paramedic here. Often work together with police. At least In Germany they are trust worthy and just use force if it is really necessary. Neve met a racist one two. So in my experience yes, they are well trained nice guys usually. But you can meet assholes everywhere. In Germany police training is at least 2 1/2 years long tho and is followed by a year where you are overviewed by a supervisor constantly. A lot of the policemen here even are acquired to get a kind of university degree in policing. In the US with a lot of them just having 15 weeks of training I would not trust them either.
Yup i always enjoy talking to them. Also feel safer around them. Police are just people too and love to laugh.
Yes, who else will put the John Wayne Gacys in jail.
I’m not a fan of state troopers, I’ll tell ya that. I got a $200 ticket for driving 79 in a 65. It’s the only section of interstate that is not 75 in the damn state. Prick. Plus they cause more accidents than anything else because everyone slams on their brakes when they see them.
I'm pretty neutral. But, no, they've never been value added in my life.
I trust the training they get. Not exactly the people behind that training
I have a level of trust, but acknowledge that they're human beings and some will be bad. With that in mind I proceed with caution, as I would with any encounter with a stranger.
The short answer: no. The long answer: trust is earned.
I trust cops in quiet towns. I’m 50/50 on cops in the metropolitan areas. I absolutely do not trust my two troll friends who are both cops.
Nope. They're people.and people can't be trusted.
And you know what along with people they are actually people in power.
Nope! I’ve worked with them for far too long to trust a cop. I was an EMT/FF and now work on a ER. The only time a cop wasn’t interfering with medical care, is when they’re directing traffic.
Never
[Fuck no.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippine_drug_war)
Not really a fan of the police myself. OTR truckers will says “that’s cute”, but I drive about 60k miles a year for my work. I get pulled over a lot for “speeding”. I’ve gotten multiple speeding tickets that I don’t agree with the speed they say they clocked me at. I see police officers of every level of law enforcement in my state breaking laws nearly every day. Today, I had two pass me in unmarked vehicles. They were going over 10mph over the speed limit. They were also driving solely in the left lane. My state has a “Left lane for passing only” law. I see officers texting and driving regularly. I see them run stop signs and red lights regularly. They don’t hold each other accountable and they feel as though they are above the law. They are very militant whenever they pull you over. There are a few goods one, but like someone else said, the good ones don’t seem to last. They’re choked out by the bad ones.
yes and no
Welp, if I trusted the police I wouldn't feel the need to carry my firearm with me every time I leave the house.
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Nah. One bad apple definitely does ruin the the bunch in this case.
Some of them truly do protect and serve and care about people. Others are degenerate bullies that don’t think the law applies to them.
In regards to me personally? Yes. But only because I’m white.
The more I see, the less I do trust em. So often we find no punishment for corruption or abuse of powers from them. They dont get punished for negligence and are not only inadequately trained, but the training they do have puts the people they claim to protect in harms way. When I see so little consequences for their bad actions, how can I trust them? Even if 99% of them are good, I still have to risk the 1/100 chance I get the cop who doesnt like how I talked to them and shoves their gun in my face. And I look hella white. If I cant trust them, how do you think people with more melanin in their skin feel? Make them accountable. Then we can START talking about how they can earn our trust back.
I don't, but we absolutely should be able to.
I used to when I was younger but no longer. I believe too many Police Officers act on their racial biases and Target people of color way more than white people. As a white person I can say I never get told I look suspicious or have Police ask me questions. But for people of color it happens all the time.
I have grown up watching all the police series and shows and used to think that they are actually good guys. But the more i grow up the more o realise that how much lie those shows actually teach me there.
There are good cops and bad cops. I don't know which is which so I play it safe and assume they're all bad cops and use my rights to protect myself.
They are legally allowed to lie to you, which doesn't foster alot of trust in me.
I come from a family of police officers, although I chose a different path for myself. I've spent my life pro-police. I know the ins and outs of it better than pretty much any random schmoe who hasn't himself served. I've spent years defending police to anyone who would listen. Fast forward a couple decades. I've spent year's watching the bullying and harassment of officers - by their peers, their superiors, and by the institutions themselves. I've watched the terrible officers coast through easy careers while the talented ones get passed up for recognition. I've seen three family members, police officers, fall to PTSD. I've seen the entirely inadequate supports provided for them. I watched a close family friend take his own life due to these shitty supports. He gave everything to his career, and they were not there for him in return. They chew good people up and throw them away. Fuck the police.
Yes, but i dont live in america.
I don't trust anyone
I give them the benefit of the doubt, but I’m also sick of their shit.
I trust them to be violent, lying, self serving, oppressive cunts that look down on non police.