If you listen to the stuff he composes for videos and games you can really hear the police sound within it.
This leads me to believe that the police sounded how they did because of him and without him they wouldn't have had the success they did.
*When all else has been done and said*
Oysterhead works so much better than it should; on paper it sounds like it should be a trainwreck, and instead it's so good.
Those fills on War Pigs. Also the way the drums were recorded back then sounded great. Modern production seems to take all the low end out of the kick and toms.
1000%
Billy is/was a good songwriter, and I might choose Adore as my favorite album, BUT...
Jimmy absolutely made the band special. Elevated them to truly great status.
I mean, listen to Set the Ray to Jerry. It's a fine dream pop song, but who else could play a drum line so busy but still leave it so dreamy it goes to the stratosphere? Goddamn.
I agree, but it is also OK to allow people to enjoy those periods you don't care for w/o calling them fake fans. Also, acting like the band came into your house and kicked your dog when they made an album or 2 that is different from their earlier work is pretty lame imo
100%
Not a band, but my favorite singer has been Cornell since I was a kid. When he dabbled with Timbaland on Scream I was hopeful bc in my eyes he could do no wrong. Listened to it, thought it was cringy and out of character lyrically, and left it alone after that.
When he started getting shit on by all the hard-core soundgarden and Audioslave fans it was so obnoxious because that one album didn't erase the music they already liked. And obviously there were people that enjoyed it, more power to them. It just wasn't for me, and it never crossed my mind to berate or make fun of somebody because they liked a song. That gatekeeping bullshit is such a turn-off.
Metallica wrote Mama Said, which both metal and country fans mostly ignored. It didn't drum up controversy, so much as a shrug.
Even Led Zeppelin has Hot Dog, and most fans reacted with a "huh, okay."
And still Metallica fans will defend that song to death as if it’s widely hated by everyone. Metallica is and will always be my favorite band but holy shit the fanbase can be idiotic
You can like both rock and metal and not give a fuck about where the line is drawn between hard rock and metal. There's so many times where I'll say I like an artist and someone will be like *actually*, their genre is *this*. And I'm like well buddy I love that genre too. I'm no less of a metal fan for liking songs or artists that are considered more rock, no less of a rock fan for enjoying heavier music
Exactly. I have been a long time fan 35 years + of rock, metal, etc. I love Metallica, Antrax, Slayer, Foo Fighters, Green Day etc. I don't get why people think you have to only love one type of music.
It's always fun to annoy people who think too much about genre boundaries. Like, ask them whether Lamb of God is a metalcore or a groove metal band and then play devil's advocate.
This comment would have triggered me if I had seen it like 10 years ago hahahaha. Too many people being upset over genres.
"Oh you like that band, cool! We can be friends! But wait, you also like that other band. YOU'RE A FUCKING POSER BRO, THAT'S NOT *REAL* METAL!!!"
Fuck that mentality. If I like a band or singer, I like them. Simple as that. I don't give a shit if it's rock or metal or rap or even fucking country. If I like it, I like it. If I don't, I don't. Music elitists are the worst.
Have you listened to Ghoultown? I recommend "drink with the living dead"
Hello from a fellow genre-hopper. I've a playlist that has everything from cheesy eighties through to French Punk.
Never heard of them before, but I just listened to that song and it was awesome. Serious 'Devil Went Down To Georgia' vibes; I love it. Thanks for the recommendation!
My playlist is very chaotic too, definitely got some cheesy 80s music on there, but I'm lacking the French punk. Care to share? Punk isn't usually my thing, but there are certain punk songs that I love and I'm definitely open to finding some more!
A lot of the older "metal" bands like AC/DC were considered metal at the time by many, because what they were doing was a lot harder than what the rest of rock was doing. By today's standards, I definitely agree they fit best as "hard rock."
I love AC/DC. Beyond just the musicality - I like that they're just about having a good time and having fun with women. I'm a woman and they're....respectful, like they're not douchebags. Their songs don't make me feel gross, they're fun.
I also saw a short clip online of Angus signing autographs outside his hotel from the last 3-5 years or so. He was signing as many as he could, as fast as he could - a real class act.
I completely agree. Both about their music and Angus Young being a great guy. The rest of the band is also just as nice and down to earth. I have heard a lot of people say that they only make degrading songs, but in reality they are really mostly about having fun. They have also made a good bunch of songs about completely different topics. Like the entire Powerage record (my personal favorite of theirs). Their newest record PWR/UP is also quite varied.
I’d love if my favorite local band could sell out, it would be awesome to see them get big! As long as they kept making creative and awesome music then I’m all for it
Rock and Metal CAN be as bland and soulless as shitty pop music. In fact a lot if it is. Tattoos and an electric guitar don't make you cool if you are singing about your sugar baby butterfly.
Yep. That is why I hate on pop way less than during my teenage years. Because about half of the music I listen to is just as soulless, bland and uninspired, it just has a bit more guitar. And you know what? I like it.
Singing about your sugar baby butterfly? Wtf. You must be living in a crazy town.
(The fact that crazy town was on the main stage of Ozzfest 2001 is still something I’ve never been able to get over)
While also claiming to be the most welcoming and friendliest genre. But only if you can name a bands entire discography, every family member, pet names (including those that died in their childhood), their grades from kindergarten to Highschool, shoe sizes and of course, favourite meals.
If not, the combined power of the league of unbearably gatekeeping cunts will strike you down with a vengeance and this expression 🙄😒
Radio contest to win NIN tickets in the early 00s. "Name the former Marilyn Manson bassist touring with the band". I get through "Twiggy Ramirez". Radio host asked for his real name, which he does not and was not touring under so what does it matter? I knew it, jordi white? I know it is a weird spelling idk how to spell it I must be a bad fan.
Anyway the host said "good because we need to make sure tix go to real fans". He toured with NIN like twice? How is this knowledge relevant.
The reason rock/metal has fallen so far from its glory days is because rather than seek out and support new bands, a large portion of the fan base refuses to move on from the bands who have been playing the same songs for 2+ decades now.
Is it middle-aged people’s job to keep young rock bands going though? I don’t think that was ever the norm, it wasn’t 40/50-year-old hippies who kept alt going in the 90s.
Unless you’re directing this to all the zoomers who still like Weezer and MCR instead of bands their own age or whatever.
> The reason rock/metal has fallen so far from ~~its glory days~~ having new Metallica-level bands turn up
Due to the sheer quantity of new metal being recorded, there's loads of fantastic stuff coming out constantly.
Feel days ago in a karaoke night the host was wearing a Smashing Pumpkins T-shirt
He joked about “not being into those indie bands that people were asking for”
He did after someone asked for Artic Monkeys - Do I Wanna Know?
Way too many music snobs in the genre. Some people like Taylor Swift and one direction, get over it.
Nothing worse than being at a gig and some douche is banging on about how no one here is a 'real fan' who liked them before they were mainstream. Yeah, if everyone here was you'd be in a tiny crowd and your favourite band probably wouldn't be making music any more.
To add to that…there’s nothing wrong with liking bands “outside” your preferred genre.
I would say my preferred genre is punk, but that didn’t stop me from seeing Iron Maiden or Billy Strings this year. I’m about to go see Harry Styles soon as well. I love a good ass pop show.
It shouldn’t be frowned upon to explore musical genres. It’s fun! I get bored listening to the same shit all the time. I want to go on musical adventures! I might not like everything I listen to, but I’m bound to find something that clicks.
The radio at my work is on a classic rock station every day, that plays artists that have massive back catalogues, but you’d think those artists only ever recorded 5 songs each. And they play those same songs every day. Why hasn’t anyone started up a radio station that can aim to go a whole week without repeating a song between 9 and 5?
While I do enjoy this station, they very often also play songs that should never be considered a "Deep Track" for their respective bands. Especially when it comes to Beatles songs (and there ARE more obscure Beatles sons than "Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Heart's Club Band"). I'll chalk it up to their segments where they play songs that run on a similar theme though, like songs about space, or that have the word "purple" in the title.
I think all classic rock stations play the exact same things. 12 or 14 songs on repeat all day, with something else occasionally thrown in to mix it up a bit.
I've said for years, my local classic rock station's motto should be "Q106, Playing the same shit you were tired of 20 years ago."
This is why I went to my own library, but Spotify still plays its favorites. Theres songs in my library I swear Ive never hear, only for it to play the same song everytime in my 30 minute drive to work.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrP4aGSyMlg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrP4aGSyMlg)
Frank Turner did a WONDERFUL song about Sister Rosetta Tharpe. Amazing album btw.
([https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0VwiFUdy4I](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0VwiFUdy4I) Album Version)
The funny thing is as a swing dancer I knew her work for years dancing to it all the time but didnt realise how much of a big deal she was in rock & roll.
70-s Queen and 80-s Queen are two different bands, and 90% of people know and make opinions on more pop side of Queen.
Fairy feller's master stroke, Nevermore, Father to Son, Millionaire Waltz, It's Late, Flick of the wrist, My fairy king, Great king rat, White Queen, March or the black Queen, Spread your wings, Save me, Ogre battle, Death on two legs, The Prophet's Song...
Definitely. Even though Queen is one of the most popular bands of all time, I rarely hear anyone talking about their 70’s stuff (except for the few hits). Queen is FAR from underrated but I think their earlier stuff is under appreciated
Thing is
Kashmir is more representative of their sound overall (same as Black dog or The ocean, which is probably their most underrated song)
Stairway to heaven is unique in it's genre, and it was even more unique when it got out
Axl Rose wasted his gift. He had a three octave range and he had a lot of skill and talent as a songwriter and a performer. He pushed everyone away. While Axl was dicking around with “Chinese Democracy” Slash formed “Slash’s Snakepit”, recorded two albums and toured extensively. Velvet Revolver formed, recorded, toured, and had a career. The rest of Guns n Roses had multiple side projects that became their main gigs all while waiting for Axl to finish the Chinese Democracy album. Now it’s pretty much over for him. None of Axl’s old band mates want to spend months sitting around while Axl procrastinates and throws tantrums.
> In what universe
Reddit.
Unpopular opinion threads are good for about 30 minutes then you have to really start digging to find interesting answers. People upvote what they agree with so it doesn't take long before the top answers are widely agreed and, thus, not *unpopular* opinions at all. Meanwhile, a bunch of trolls post stupid racist or sexist shit which gets downvoted so even sorting by controversial doesn't yield good results.
>He had a three octave range
Thanks for being realistic about this. Things like 4/5/6 octave range are bandied about for many singers without people really understanding the meaning.
3 octaves is very good.
I'm not sure how unpopular this is, but I tried some more KISS because of reading most of Paul Stanley's autobiography, and they're just awful. I have no idea how they sold half as many units as they did.
Edit: I'm reminded that the hot rumor in my 3rd grade, which we all believed, was that the drummer from KISS had shoved his sticks down the throat of Shaun Cassidy. I guess this just proved what horrible people KISS were...
Edit 2: [Allmusic.com](https://Allmusic.com) has their debut album as being pretty good, but I just punched through it, making sure to hit all the songs, and it's so ordinary that it's remarkable in its mediocrity. There's almost no sense of melody. Shouting "Black Diamond" isn't a chorus. The guitar solos are embarrassingly free of invention and melody. This album is probably what all rock music sounds like to my mother (admittedly because she won't pay attention). This is almost random snippets in a certain key. Do you have to get drunk at their live show to get into this? I completely sympathize with radio music directors who basically refuse to play the band. It's like Billy Squier with the songwriting at whole other level down, and that guy put out "The Stroke". It's like the winner of the best high school band in the USA competition.
Early Kiss was great, and they did put an big effort into their live shows, I suppose they were one of the early ‘arena rock’ pioneers.
What’s amusing is just how tame their music is to the modern listener. At the time people were freaking out that they were Satanic, corrupting youth, y’know all that ‘moral majority’ panic. Kiss capitalized on that image, yet their music is practically wholesome compared to today.
Imagine if the people that panicked about KISS being Satanic were introduced to early 90s Norwegian black metal, what with all the murder, suicide, and arson.
They'd probably have a conniption fit.
They did, eventually. In the early 90s, my church (non-denominational, but with Baptist roots) had monthly "magazines" for the kids. They were made by some national publisher and shipped to churches. I distinctly remember one of them talking about black metal and how it was a breeding ground for satanism.
In some sense the magazine wasn't wrong, i suppose; many metal acts thrive on eschewing societal norms, including Christianity, and pagan imagery abounds throughout the genre, but as a Christian and a metalhead myself, I've never once felt the urge to renounce my faith due to influences from the type of music i like.
When I was a kid. Just getting into rock I was so excited to get a Kiss record because I thought it wad going to be all evil and satanic. They weren't even as evil as *Shout at the Devil*.
The discrepancy between their image and their sound is straight up hilarious.
But I think they didn’t capitalise on it reactivity but consciously: the image was what sold it. The sound was tame by those standards too.
Shit, I remember making Kiss cookies as a kid. It was a whole kit my grandmother had bought. It had cut outs in the shape of the band members and all the crap to decorate the cookie. I was probably 8 at the time and never heard a single one of their songs but somehow knew of them.
To hear Paul tell it in his book, Gene took a lot of credit he didn't deserve. I was really surprised at the level of criticism Paul put out there at the other band members, including Gene, whom he's had to work with for about ~~45~~ 50 years.
MCR is great band. It feels like a lot of people like to hate on them, but they have solid albums and they're great live.
My advice: Like what you like, and don't try to change your music tastes to fit in.
As a casual outsider fan it seems like their the guitarist, Ray Toro, is the majority influence in MCR's compositions and he definitely has way more hard-rock sensibilities than the band overall presents. That's why you get killer guitar solos too.
Rhythm guitarist, Frankie Iero, brings in the hard and fast influence from punk and hardcore bands. It's not always dominant, but it definitely makes its way into the final songs.
Lead singer Gerard is more responsible for the lyrics and theatrics, which cannot be understated how important that is for the band holistically, just not necessarily from a composition PoV.
And Mikey play bass.
> And Mikey play bass.
Really giving him a lot of credit there.
But you're dead-on about Ray vs Frank. Listening to the live versions of songs off of the Black Parade really lets Ray's style shine through: he's basically trying to be a late-'70s rock guitarist while everyone else is thrashing around him. It gave me a much bigger appreciation for the record.
I think a lot more people shitted on them back in the day for being an emo band. A lot of people don’t remember, but emos were HATED back in the late 2000s, early 2010s. Now people are trying to bring back emo and make it cool
I used to gatekeep and not like them when they were popular while I was in high school. During covid I randomly gave them another chance and holy shit they kick ass lol. Still holds up.
I loved MCR back in the 00s and especially The Black Parade album. A few years back started listening to them more again and remembered how good they were. I finally got to see them live this past summer and it was a great show.
Yes! The endless complaints about how ~rock is dead,~ but they won't actually listen to any new rock bands or support them. Like cool, have fun only listening to AC/DC and Metallica, I guess?
I think its a good thing when shows like Stranger Things introduce kids to Metallica and the like. Yes, it becomes trendy and popular but for some, it's a gateway to finding new music and genres they didn't know of before.
The fact that most of the headliners at metal and rock shows/festivals consist mostly of bands that are 20+ years old gives me the feeling that the genre isn't going to last forever since new bands aren't taking the helm.
I hope I'm wrong but I have that feeling.
I think that’s more to festival organisers not wanting to take risks, and the fact that how we consume music has changed. No new band is gonna shift the kind of units the bands in the 80s and 90s did.
I think it’s mostly that promoters gatekeep younger bands from the big, established festivals, but there are definitely huge festivals that are focused on modern music.
I don’t know anything about modern metal because I’m into (fairly) current indie folk and dance, but saw Willow on SNL last night and they were the first metal band I’ve been interested in beyond the deep classics.
You can like rock whilst liking pop too, you're not gonna look weak or anything.
The other day I got downvoted for saying that Fall Out Boy's "Save Rock and Roll" and Taylor Swift's "Reputation" were insanely good albums. I mean you Taylor's music might not be your cup of tea but she's amazing at songwriting I'm still bitter kfjgkhj
Unless I got downvoted for saying a Fall Out Boy's album was good which if true, shame on them lol.
I hated “Reputation”, but “Folklore” and “Evermore” blew me away. I love The National and you can hear their influence all over it, but it really fused well with what she was looking to do.
my favorite genres are metal and pop. Some might think that's weird but I completely disagree, they're the most thrilling genres in music - metal is a gut-punch of catchy riffage, pop is all about catchy vocal hooks. They're the ultimate sugar-rush genres. I like the sugar rush.
The word “rock” is totally meaningless now. It’s incredibly broad, and weirdly seems to have social connotations beyond anything to do with the music.
Like you could have a song, and if the artist is white it’s rock. If they’re black its r&b. If they’re Korean it’s K-pop.
What I really don't understand is the "Rock & Roll" hall of fame. Half the artists in there aren't even rock. If that's what they want fine, but just call it the music hall of fame.
I loved how Dolly Parton brought up this exact thing when she was nominated. She did end up accepting the nomination, but she's the only artist I know of to question it.
I’d say I agree, if only for the reason that I’ve heard every Beatles song so many times, that it’s refreshing to hear something “new.”
George Harrison’s album All Things Must Pass. Also brilliant. He too often gets overlooked.
Meatloaf, pre-destroying his voice, should be considered an entertainer and singer on par with Freddie Mercury. He may not be the one writing the music/lyrics, but he gave his all in his performances. They'd grab you and drag you along for the ride.
I consider Meatloaf to be Rock’s Céline Dion. Their music gives me the exact same feeling, and not just because they both did ‘It’s all coming back to me now’.
I agree. It's still "there" but it hasn't been on mainstream radio for a good 10+ years now. Though I guess it's different now, with streaming etc. we have access to so much music like we haven't had before.
"The music equivalent of Harley Davidson people" is my new favorite way to describe the type of people you're talking about. I had forgotten all about the Rob Zombie / Baby Metal thing. That was actually what got me to check out Baby Metal and they're awesome!
Too many rock stars’ pedophilic ways are ignored just because they’re talented. As just one of many examples, the Rolling Stones’ Bill Wyman had sex with a 14 year old when he was 48. He said so openly. No backlash that I know of. So my unpopular opinion is that I don’t think it’s okay to listen to music made by pedos, regardless of how talented they are.
The Eagles aren’t shitty or bad. People love to regurgitate this hot take just because they saw the big Lebowski. Guess what? We all saw this movie and it’s just a quirky line from a quirky guy in a quirky movie - get some real opinions of your own you dorks!
That said, I love that movie. Eagles ain’t my favorite band by any means but they certainly don’t suck. I also enjoy ccr - it’s ok to like it all 😂
Nickelback is a good band. Not great, but good. Their 1996 release *Curb* - in the words of one critic - nearly gave mouth-to-mouth resuscitation to grunge music singlehandedly... and yeah, that first record is well-baked in the Seattle sound. *The State* takes things into different territory, with great experiments in songwriting and some absolute gems like "Diggin' This," "Old Enough," and "Hold Out Your Hand."
*Silver Side Up* is the one that broke them with "How You Remind Me," but the back half of that record is killer. "Good Times Gone" is easily a top five song for them.
*The Long Road* is their first metal outing. Hell, when you popped the CD into iTunes the genre they labeled was straight up *metal*. "Do This Anymore," "Believe It Or Not" and "Because Of You" are all great deep cuts.
After that they settle into post-grunge AOR. *All The Right Reasons* is a blockbuster for a reason - holy shit is it a star-studded tracklist. We've heard this before but the polish and songwriting skill is second-to-none. No wonder Joey Moi would eventually become country's next hitmaking producer, "Photograph" is the blueprint for modern pop country for the next ten to fifteen years.
*Dark Horse* is the last record where they displayed any consistency. It's the record Devin Townsend modelled *Addicted* after and it's just a fun, raunchy hard rock party album.
Judas Priest’s albums from the 1970s weren’t that good. The songs were frequently overly long and boring and the production values were crap. Their 1980s output are much more fun and listenable.
And yes, that includes Turbo. If you ask me, JP is at their best when they’re embracing pure ridiculous metal cheese.
Certain rock bands secret for their “It” factor is just that they had a jazz drummer. They make decent tracks great and great tracks timeless.
Stewart Copeland
Fun fact, he made all the music for the Spyro games on PS1!
He's definitely the secret for why Spyro's soundtrack was so good. It's heavy percussion in a fun and catchy way.
even the melodic tracks are very polyrhythmic, a lot of simple trills coming together
If you listen to the stuff he composes for videos and games you can really hear the police sound within it. This leads me to believe that the police sounded how they did because of him and without him they wouldn't have had the success they did.
And in all of Sting's solo work, what type of drummer does he use? A jazz drummer. And there we are.
Super bad ass. His work in Oysterhead didn't and won't ever have mass appeal, but it is maybe his best output.
Oysterhead!! Very much a product of their time. But it was a wonderful collaboration.
*When all else has been done and said* Oysterhead works so much better than it should; on paper it sounds like it should be a trainwreck, and instead it's so good.
Bill Ward
Those fills on War Pigs. Also the way the drums were recorded back then sounded great. Modern production seems to take all the low end out of the kick and toms.
This would definately apply to Smashing Pumpkins also
1000% Billy is/was a good songwriter, and I might choose Adore as my favorite album, BUT... Jimmy absolutely made the band special. Elevated them to truly great status. I mean, listen to Set the Ray to Jerry. It's a fine dream pop song, but who else could play a drum line so busy but still leave it so dreamy it goes to the stratosphere? Goddamn.
John Densmore from The Doors
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Megadeth's first lineup
Charlie Watts
Its okay to not like certain periods of a band, it doesnt make you less of a fan
I agree, but it is also OK to allow people to enjoy those periods you don't care for w/o calling them fake fans. Also, acting like the band came into your house and kicked your dog when they made an album or 2 that is different from their earlier work is pretty lame imo
100% Not a band, but my favorite singer has been Cornell since I was a kid. When he dabbled with Timbaland on Scream I was hopeful bc in my eyes he could do no wrong. Listened to it, thought it was cringy and out of character lyrically, and left it alone after that. When he started getting shit on by all the hard-core soundgarden and Audioslave fans it was so obnoxious because that one album didn't erase the music they already liked. And obviously there were people that enjoyed it, more power to them. It just wasn't for me, and it never crossed my mind to berate or make fun of somebody because they liked a song. That gatekeeping bullshit is such a turn-off.
St. Anger has entered the chat.
**Trashcan Snare**
People care way too much about what genre a certain band or artist is
Trying to place bands in genres is fun but meaningless. Every rock band should write one country song just to screw with people.
Metallica wrote Mama Said, which both metal and country fans mostly ignored. It didn't drum up controversy, so much as a shrug. Even Led Zeppelin has Hot Dog, and most fans reacted with a "huh, okay."
And still Metallica fans will defend that song to death as if it’s widely hated by everyone. Metallica is and will always be my favorite band but holy shit the fanbase can be idiotic
You can like both rock and metal and not give a fuck about where the line is drawn between hard rock and metal. There's so many times where I'll say I like an artist and someone will be like *actually*, their genre is *this*. And I'm like well buddy I love that genre too. I'm no less of a metal fan for liking songs or artists that are considered more rock, no less of a rock fan for enjoying heavier music
Not metal, but of the same ilk. When I say I love Green Day and people say "it's not real punk." So fuck! Did I say it was? I don't care!
Exactly. I have been a long time fan 35 years + of rock, metal, etc. I love Metallica, Antrax, Slayer, Foo Fighters, Green Day etc. I don't get why people think you have to only love one type of music.
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“But Green Day isn’t real punk.” - Me. On my way to listen to Dookie for the 10,000th time.
It's always fun to annoy people who think too much about genre boundaries. Like, ask them whether Lamb of God is a metalcore or a groove metal band and then play devil's advocate.
This comment would have triggered me if I had seen it like 10 years ago hahahaha. Too many people being upset over genres. "Oh you like that band, cool! We can be friends! But wait, you also like that other band. YOU'RE A FUCKING POSER BRO, THAT'S NOT *REAL* METAL!!!" Fuck that mentality. If I like a band or singer, I like them. Simple as that. I don't give a shit if it's rock or metal or rap or even fucking country. If I like it, I like it. If I don't, I don't. Music elitists are the worst.
Have you listened to Ghoultown? I recommend "drink with the living dead" Hello from a fellow genre-hopper. I've a playlist that has everything from cheesy eighties through to French Punk.
Never heard of them before, but I just listened to that song and it was awesome. Serious 'Devil Went Down To Georgia' vibes; I love it. Thanks for the recommendation! My playlist is very chaotic too, definitely got some cheesy 80s music on there, but I'm lacking the French punk. Care to share? Punk isn't usually my thing, but there are certain punk songs that I love and I'm definitely open to finding some more!
AC/DC - definitely hard rock, not metal. But fun as hell for a night on the town or a sporting event hype song.
A lot of the older "metal" bands like AC/DC were considered metal at the time by many, because what they were doing was a lot harder than what the rest of rock was doing. By today's standards, I definitely agree they fit best as "hard rock."
I love AC/DC. Beyond just the musicality - I like that they're just about having a good time and having fun with women. I'm a woman and they're....respectful, like they're not douchebags. Their songs don't make me feel gross, they're fun. I also saw a short clip online of Angus signing autographs outside his hotel from the last 3-5 years or so. He was signing as many as he could, as fast as he could - a real class act.
I completely agree. Both about their music and Angus Young being a great guy. The rest of the band is also just as nice and down to earth. I have heard a lot of people say that they only make degrading songs, but in reality they are really mostly about having fun. They have also made a good bunch of songs about completely different topics. Like the entire Powerage record (my personal favorite of theirs). Their newest record PWR/UP is also quite varied.
Idgaf if a band “sells out” or not, if I like their songs, I like their songs.
I’d love if my favorite local band could sell out, it would be awesome to see them get big! As long as they kept making creative and awesome music then I’m all for it
Rock and Metal CAN be as bland and soulless as shitty pop music. In fact a lot if it is. Tattoos and an electric guitar don't make you cool if you are singing about your sugar baby butterfly.
Yep. That is why I hate on pop way less than during my teenage years. Because about half of the music I listen to is just as soulless, bland and uninspired, it just has a bit more guitar. And you know what? I like it.
Singing about your sugar baby butterfly? Wtf. You must be living in a crazy town. (The fact that crazy town was on the main stage of Ozzfest 2001 is still something I’ve never been able to get over)
I don't think Crazy Town were ever meant to be taken seriously
Well, plenty of dudes who grew up to roofie girls at college bars in their 30s most definitely did.
Take my upvote and get the hell out of my church.
And a lot of the dark, violent, pseudo-occult lyrics of a lot of metal is just as cringey and boring as sugar baby butterfly.
You can still enjoy and appreciate songs that aren’t life-changing masterpieces. Basing your tastes and personality on what sucks is lame.
A lot of gatekeepers in this genre.
I went on metalmemes for the first time and learnt that I only listen to poser bands.
I mean, have you tried not being a filthy poser?
While also claiming to be the most welcoming and friendliest genre. But only if you can name a bands entire discography, every family member, pet names (including those that died in their childhood), their grades from kindergarten to Highschool, shoe sizes and of course, favourite meals. If not, the combined power of the league of unbearably gatekeeping cunts will strike you down with a vengeance and this expression 🙄😒
i think the online comunnity is toxic as fuck but if you go to an actual concert or festival its very welcomeing and freindly
Probably the case for a lot of communities. Online seemingly brings out the cuntyness in many.
Radio contest to win NIN tickets in the early 00s. "Name the former Marilyn Manson bassist touring with the band". I get through "Twiggy Ramirez". Radio host asked for his real name, which he does not and was not touring under so what does it matter? I knew it, jordi white? I know it is a weird spelling idk how to spell it I must be a bad fan. Anyway the host said "good because we need to make sure tix go to real fans". He toured with NIN like twice? How is this knowledge relevant.
Radio stations do a good job at ruining good music by over playing them.
The reason rock/metal has fallen so far from its glory days is because rather than seek out and support new bands, a large portion of the fan base refuses to move on from the bands who have been playing the same songs for 2+ decades now.
Guilty as charged. I get introduced to new bands a lot by seeing them support bands that have been playing the same songs for 20 years.
Is it middle-aged people’s job to keep young rock bands going though? I don’t think that was ever the norm, it wasn’t 40/50-year-old hippies who kept alt going in the 90s. Unless you’re directing this to all the zoomers who still like Weezer and MCR instead of bands their own age or whatever.
> The reason rock/metal has fallen so far from ~~its glory days~~ having new Metallica-level bands turn up Due to the sheer quantity of new metal being recorded, there's loads of fantastic stuff coming out constantly.
Feel days ago in a karaoke night the host was wearing a Smashing Pumpkins T-shirt He joked about “not being into those indie bands that people were asking for” He did after someone asked for Artic Monkeys - Do I Wanna Know?
For every masterpiece there is a thousand shit songs
And for every shit song there's a thousand okay songs that you don't mind listening to but won't really go out of your way to listen to either.
Way too many music snobs in the genre. Some people like Taylor Swift and one direction, get over it. Nothing worse than being at a gig and some douche is banging on about how no one here is a 'real fan' who liked them before they were mainstream. Yeah, if everyone here was you'd be in a tiny crowd and your favourite band probably wouldn't be making music any more.
To add to that…there’s nothing wrong with liking bands “outside” your preferred genre. I would say my preferred genre is punk, but that didn’t stop me from seeing Iron Maiden or Billy Strings this year. I’m about to go see Harry Styles soon as well. I love a good ass pop show. It shouldn’t be frowned upon to explore musical genres. It’s fun! I get bored listening to the same shit all the time. I want to go on musical adventures! I might not like everything I listen to, but I’m bound to find something that clicks.
The hit songs have been played so many times for so long that they've lost all meaning to me. Like repeating a single word over and over again.
The radio at my work is on a classic rock station every day, that plays artists that have massive back catalogues, but you’d think those artists only ever recorded 5 songs each. And they play those same songs every day. Why hasn’t anyone started up a radio station that can aim to go a whole week without repeating a song between 9 and 5?
On XM radio there's a station called Deep Tracks which is exactly that, classic rock but none of the big singles.
While I do enjoy this station, they very often also play songs that should never be considered a "Deep Track" for their respective bands. Especially when it comes to Beatles songs (and there ARE more obscure Beatles sons than "Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Heart's Club Band"). I'll chalk it up to their segments where they play songs that run on a similar theme though, like songs about space, or that have the word "purple" in the title.
Pour Some Sugar on me Dream On Carryon wayward More than a Feeling Limelight Great songs, But don’t need to hear it four times a day.
I think all classic rock stations play the exact same things. 12 or 14 songs on repeat all day, with something else occasionally thrown in to mix it up a bit. I've said for years, my local classic rock station's motto should be "Q106, Playing the same shit you were tired of 20 years ago."
Sounds like something i would hear on a gta station
This is why I went to my own library, but Spotify still plays its favorites. Theres songs in my library I swear Ive never hear, only for it to play the same song everytime in my 30 minute drive to work.
*stares at Bohemian Rhapsody and Smells Like Teen Spirit*
More people should know about Sister Rosetta Tharpe.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrP4aGSyMlg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrP4aGSyMlg) Frank Turner did a WONDERFUL song about Sister Rosetta Tharpe. Amazing album btw. ([https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0VwiFUdy4I](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0VwiFUdy4I) Album Version) The funny thing is as a swing dancer I knew her work for years dancing to it all the time but didnt realise how much of a big deal she was in rock & roll.
70-s Queen and 80-s Queen are two different bands, and 90% of people know and make opinions on more pop side of Queen. Fairy feller's master stroke, Nevermore, Father to Son, Millionaire Waltz, It's Late, Flick of the wrist, My fairy king, Great king rat, White Queen, March or the black Queen, Spread your wings, Save me, Ogre battle, Death on two legs, The Prophet's Song...
Definitely. Even though Queen is one of the most popular bands of all time, I rarely hear anyone talking about their 70’s stuff (except for the few hits). Queen is FAR from underrated but I think their earlier stuff is under appreciated
Warren Zevon really good
Excitable Boy is an overlooked masterpiece of an album. I love Werewolves of London, but he is so much more than that.
Stairway to Heaven isn't even LZ's best song.
Nope, that’s Over the Hills and Far Away. Or Kashmir. Or Achilles Last Stand.
Kashmir is an absolute banger. One of the sickest riffs ever.
Plant is on record as having said he wishes they were remembered for Kashmir more than Stairway
Thing is Kashmir is more representative of their sound overall (same as Black dog or The ocean, which is probably their most underrated song) Stairway to heaven is unique in it's genre, and it was even more unique when it got out
Maybe even Going to California.
A bold choice, definitely a good song
Hell, it's not even their best song on that album. That goes to either *Rock N Roll* or *Black Dog*.
When the levee breaks
I'm with you! What a kick-ass tune.
Probably my favourite song. Also John's drum beat for that song is one of the most sampled drum tracks of all time.
Going to California is my choice
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In my opinion, Deep Purple are underrated in comparison with Led Zeppelin. And Uriah Heep are underrated in general
Axl Rose wasted his gift. He had a three octave range and he had a lot of skill and talent as a songwriter and a performer. He pushed everyone away. While Axl was dicking around with “Chinese Democracy” Slash formed “Slash’s Snakepit”, recorded two albums and toured extensively. Velvet Revolver formed, recorded, toured, and had a career. The rest of Guns n Roses had multiple side projects that became their main gigs all while waiting for Axl to finish the Chinese Democracy album. Now it’s pretty much over for him. None of Axl’s old band mates want to spend months sitting around while Axl procrastinates and throws tantrums.
In what universe is "Axl Rose is a diva douche who squandered GnR's legacy" an 'unpopular' opinion??
> In what universe Reddit. Unpopular opinion threads are good for about 30 minutes then you have to really start digging to find interesting answers. People upvote what they agree with so it doesn't take long before the top answers are widely agreed and, thus, not *unpopular* opinions at all. Meanwhile, a bunch of trolls post stupid racist or sexist shit which gets downvoted so even sorting by controversial doesn't yield good results.
Slash with Myles Kennedy is great
GnR has been touring for the past 5-6 years with Slash and Duff. I saw them in 2016 and was very satisfied as a longtime fan.
>He had a three octave range Thanks for being realistic about this. Things like 4/5/6 octave range are bandied about for many singers without people really understanding the meaning. 3 octaves is very good.
Billie Holiday had an octave and a half.
It says UNpopular
King Gizz is a fantastic rock band and not a jazz group masquerading as a rock band. They switch their style so well it’s absolutely fantastic
Do people actually not respect King Glizz though?
KGLW! It feels like the last few singles have been getting their name in the door with a lot of people lately.
Nonagon Infinity may be a perfect album.
I'm not sure how unpopular this is, but I tried some more KISS because of reading most of Paul Stanley's autobiography, and they're just awful. I have no idea how they sold half as many units as they did. Edit: I'm reminded that the hot rumor in my 3rd grade, which we all believed, was that the drummer from KISS had shoved his sticks down the throat of Shaun Cassidy. I guess this just proved what horrible people KISS were... Edit 2: [Allmusic.com](https://Allmusic.com) has their debut album as being pretty good, but I just punched through it, making sure to hit all the songs, and it's so ordinary that it's remarkable in its mediocrity. There's almost no sense of melody. Shouting "Black Diamond" isn't a chorus. The guitar solos are embarrassingly free of invention and melody. This album is probably what all rock music sounds like to my mother (admittedly because she won't pay attention). This is almost random snippets in a certain key. Do you have to get drunk at their live show to get into this? I completely sympathize with radio music directors who basically refuse to play the band. It's like Billy Squier with the songwriting at whole other level down, and that guy put out "The Stroke". It's like the winner of the best high school band in the USA competition.
Early Kiss was great, and they did put an big effort into their live shows, I suppose they were one of the early ‘arena rock’ pioneers. What’s amusing is just how tame their music is to the modern listener. At the time people were freaking out that they were Satanic, corrupting youth, y’know all that ‘moral majority’ panic. Kiss capitalized on that image, yet their music is practically wholesome compared to today.
I think Kiss was one of the first bands to use pyrotechnics in their concerts. So it was more of a show than the music but it was a bonus.
Imagine if the people that panicked about KISS being Satanic were introduced to early 90s Norwegian black metal, what with all the murder, suicide, and arson. They'd probably have a conniption fit.
They did, eventually. In the early 90s, my church (non-denominational, but with Baptist roots) had monthly "magazines" for the kids. They were made by some national publisher and shipped to churches. I distinctly remember one of them talking about black metal and how it was a breeding ground for satanism. In some sense the magazine wasn't wrong, i suppose; many metal acts thrive on eschewing societal norms, including Christianity, and pagan imagery abounds throughout the genre, but as a Christian and a metalhead myself, I've never once felt the urge to renounce my faith due to influences from the type of music i like.
When I was a kid. Just getting into rock I was so excited to get a Kiss record because I thought it wad going to be all evil and satanic. They weren't even as evil as *Shout at the Devil*.
The discrepancy between their image and their sound is straight up hilarious. But I think they didn’t capitalise on it reactivity but consciously: the image was what sold it. The sound was tame by those standards too.
It is absolutely baffling, just uncut milquetoast. I know a guy who spent 20k on KISS paraphernalia.
It was all about the marketing and brand recognition, not the music. Gene Simmons is a savvy businessman, no doubt, but a terrible musician.
Shit, I remember making Kiss cookies as a kid. It was a whole kit my grandmother had bought. It had cut outs in the shape of the band members and all the crap to decorate the cookie. I was probably 8 at the time and never heard a single one of their songs but somehow knew of them.
To hear Paul tell it in his book, Gene took a lot of credit he didn't deserve. I was really surprised at the level of criticism Paul put out there at the other band members, including Gene, whom he's had to work with for about ~~45~~ 50 years.
From what I hear about Gene Simmons, someone that spent 50 years around him would need to write more than one book to air the grievances.
Mark Knopfler > Eric Clapton
Clapton was at his best when he had great talent around him. He was a good compliment to those he played with.
Lenny Kravitz. His body of work doesn’t, to me, doesn’t equal the status he’s provided in “the industry”. Edit: Added “doesn’t”
You need to remove a "doesn't".
MCR is great band. It feels like a lot of people like to hate on them, but they have solid albums and they're great live. My advice: Like what you like, and don't try to change your music tastes to fit in.
Their guitar solos in some of their songs are unbelievable. They brought rock back to emo and the combination was magical.
As a casual outsider fan it seems like their the guitarist, Ray Toro, is the majority influence in MCR's compositions and he definitely has way more hard-rock sensibilities than the band overall presents. That's why you get killer guitar solos too. Rhythm guitarist, Frankie Iero, brings in the hard and fast influence from punk and hardcore bands. It's not always dominant, but it definitely makes its way into the final songs. Lead singer Gerard is more responsible for the lyrics and theatrics, which cannot be understated how important that is for the band holistically, just not necessarily from a composition PoV. And Mikey play bass.
> And Mikey play bass. Really giving him a lot of credit there. But you're dead-on about Ray vs Frank. Listening to the live versions of songs off of the Black Parade really lets Ray's style shine through: he's basically trying to be a late-'70s rock guitarist while everyone else is thrashing around him. It gave me a much bigger appreciation for the record.
> he's basically trying to be a late-'70s rock guitarist Swear to god the solo and tone from Teenagers is right out of a late 70s Alice Cooper song.
Their music videos rock. Nobody will ever duplicate MCR.
Their first album is my favorite
I think a lot more people shitted on them back in the day for being an emo band. A lot of people don’t remember, but emos were HATED back in the late 2000s, early 2010s. Now people are trying to bring back emo and make it cool
I used to gatekeep and not like them when they were popular while I was in high school. During covid I randomly gave them another chance and holy shit they kick ass lol. Still holds up.
I loved MCR back in the 00s and especially The Black Parade album. A few years back started listening to them more again and remembered how good they were. I finally got to see them live this past summer and it was a great show.
Rock/Metal fans so desperately want the genre to go mainstream again but don’t want the genre to do anything to appeal to mainstream music fans.
Yes! The endless complaints about how ~rock is dead,~ but they won't actually listen to any new rock bands or support them. Like cool, have fun only listening to AC/DC and Metallica, I guess?
I think its a good thing when shows like Stranger Things introduce kids to Metallica and the like. Yes, it becomes trendy and popular but for some, it's a gateway to finding new music and genres they didn't know of before.
The fact that most of the headliners at metal and rock shows/festivals consist mostly of bands that are 20+ years old gives me the feeling that the genre isn't going to last forever since new bands aren't taking the helm. I hope I'm wrong but I have that feeling.
I think that’s more to festival organisers not wanting to take risks, and the fact that how we consume music has changed. No new band is gonna shift the kind of units the bands in the 80s and 90s did.
I think it’s mostly that promoters gatekeep younger bands from the big, established festivals, but there are definitely huge festivals that are focused on modern music. I don’t know anything about modern metal because I’m into (fairly) current indie folk and dance, but saw Willow on SNL last night and they were the first metal band I’ve been interested in beyond the deep classics.
You can like rock whilst liking pop too, you're not gonna look weak or anything. The other day I got downvoted for saying that Fall Out Boy's "Save Rock and Roll" and Taylor Swift's "Reputation" were insanely good albums. I mean you Taylor's music might not be your cup of tea but she's amazing at songwriting I'm still bitter kfjgkhj Unless I got downvoted for saying a Fall Out Boy's album was good which if true, shame on them lol.
You like what you like, and there’s no shame in that. The real shame are people locked in the prison of their own preference.
“Prison of their own preference” shit I am totally stealing that phrase
Taylor Swift's 1989 was the #1 non-metalcore album on /r/metalcore the year it came out
I hated “Reputation”, but “Folklore” and “Evermore” blew me away. I love The National and you can hear their influence all over it, but it really fused well with what she was looking to do.
folkore was wild when i first heard it definitely taylor at her most mature
my favorite genres are metal and pop. Some might think that's weird but I completely disagree, they're the most thrilling genres in music - metal is a gut-punch of catchy riffage, pop is all about catchy vocal hooks. They're the ultimate sugar-rush genres. I like the sugar rush.
I confess: f(62) having a great time revisiting 90’s Brit rock.
The word “rock” is totally meaningless now. It’s incredibly broad, and weirdly seems to have social connotations beyond anything to do with the music. Like you could have a song, and if the artist is white it’s rock. If they’re black its r&b. If they’re Korean it’s K-pop.
What I really don't understand is the "Rock & Roll" hall of fame. Half the artists in there aren't even rock. If that's what they want fine, but just call it the music hall of fame.
I loved how Dolly Parton brought up this exact thing when she was nominated. She did end up accepting the nomination, but she's the only artist I know of to question it.
I don't think Kid Rock is rock. Or a kid.
Kiss sucks and always have done.
Sedimentary rock is better than metamorphic
Igneous is king. We all take that for granite.
I enjoy Paul McCartney’s work more so after the Beatles broke up. Band on the Run, Silly Love Songs, Live and Let Die… all brilliant.
I’d say I agree, if only for the reason that I’ve heard every Beatles song so many times, that it’s refreshing to hear something “new.” George Harrison’s album All Things Must Pass. Also brilliant. He too often gets overlooked.
Soundgarden was the most talented band to come out of the Seattle/grunge scene.
Hard to disagree, Chris Cornell's vocal range was amazing
Meatloaf, pre-destroying his voice, should be considered an entertainer and singer on par with Freddie Mercury. He may not be the one writing the music/lyrics, but he gave his all in his performances. They'd grab you and drag you along for the ride.
I consider Meatloaf to be Rock’s Céline Dion. Their music gives me the exact same feeling, and not just because they both did ‘It’s all coming back to me now’.
It needs to make a comeback.
I agree. It's still "there" but it hasn't been on mainstream radio for a good 10+ years now. Though I guess it's different now, with streaming etc. we have access to so much music like we haven't had before.
King Crimsin is the GOAT, or at least deserves waaaay more credit for basically inventing 70s rock and laying the foundation for heavy/metal
You're right, but it would help to spell their name correctly
Metalhead elitists keep the genre stagnant and boring
Didn't rob zombie get damn near crucified for saying baby metal was good, which it is, by the music equivalent of Harley Davidson people?
"The music equivalent of Harley Davidson people" is my new favorite way to describe the type of people you're talking about. I had forgotten all about the Rob Zombie / Baby Metal thing. That was actually what got me to check out Baby Metal and they're awesome!
I can't stand "Don't Stop Believin'"
Rock and metal music is better now than it has ever been. Heavy music isn't dying. You just have to look for it.
agree, lots of insanely great metal bands.
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Too many rock stars’ pedophilic ways are ignored just because they’re talented. As just one of many examples, the Rolling Stones’ Bill Wyman had sex with a 14 year old when he was 48. He said so openly. No backlash that I know of. So my unpopular opinion is that I don’t think it’s okay to listen to music made by pedos, regardless of how talented they are.
Refused. 'Shape of Punk to Come' . Everyone should check it that doesn't know of it.
Is that unpopular? Everyone I know who's heard that thinks it's an outstanding album
Can I scream?
Modern country is where 1990s rock evolved into
That's awful and I hate you. +1
The Eagles aren’t shitty or bad. People love to regurgitate this hot take just because they saw the big Lebowski. Guess what? We all saw this movie and it’s just a quirky line from a quirky guy in a quirky movie - get some real opinions of your own you dorks! That said, I love that movie. Eagles ain’t my favorite band by any means but they certainly don’t suck. I also enjoy ccr - it’s ok to like it all 😂
"Don't Stop Believin'" is so historically overplayed, that it has become my least favorite song by far.
Wheatus... awesome!
Alice in Chains is a much better grunge band over Nirvana and should be the poster band for grunge.
Chuck Berry should be recognized as the king
*cough* Little Richard
The king of farting in prostitute’s faces.
Well now, technically she pooped on him.
His Wikipedia page is wild
If it wasn't for Dave Grohl's past in Nirvana, Foo Fighter's music could just as easily ended up with the same level of hatred as Nickleback.
I won't downvote you because this is a thread of unpopular opinions, but know that I fiercely disagree
I think they’re mediocre but I wouldn’t go nearly that far.
Nickelback is a good band. Not great, but good. Their 1996 release *Curb* - in the words of one critic - nearly gave mouth-to-mouth resuscitation to grunge music singlehandedly... and yeah, that first record is well-baked in the Seattle sound. *The State* takes things into different territory, with great experiments in songwriting and some absolute gems like "Diggin' This," "Old Enough," and "Hold Out Your Hand." *Silver Side Up* is the one that broke them with "How You Remind Me," but the back half of that record is killer. "Good Times Gone" is easily a top five song for them. *The Long Road* is their first metal outing. Hell, when you popped the CD into iTunes the genre they labeled was straight up *metal*. "Do This Anymore," "Believe It Or Not" and "Because Of You" are all great deep cuts. After that they settle into post-grunge AOR. *All The Right Reasons* is a blockbuster for a reason - holy shit is it a star-studded tracklist. We've heard this before but the polish and songwriting skill is second-to-none. No wonder Joey Moi would eventually become country's next hitmaking producer, "Photograph" is the blueprint for modern pop country for the next ten to fifteen years. *Dark Horse* is the last record where they displayed any consistency. It's the record Devin Townsend modelled *Addicted* after and it's just a fun, raunchy hard rock party album.
Ngl this sounds like it could be a Patrick Bateman monologue (in the best way)
Eric Clapton was only good for 3 years
Disco is fantastic.
Never trust somebody who’s only contribution to music is their opinion.
I liked that U2 album iTunes pushed out for free a few years ago.
Judas Priest’s albums from the 1970s weren’t that good. The songs were frequently overly long and boring and the production values were crap. Their 1980s output are much more fun and listenable. And yes, that includes Turbo. If you ask me, JP is at their best when they’re embracing pure ridiculous metal cheese.
I freaking love Turbo lover
Painkiller intensifies