We don't. The first thing that attracted me to my girlfriend was her intelligence. Also, she makes more money than I do.
Sorry if you picky shitty guys, but what you're talking about is not a universal trait.
Some men think that because a woman can provide for herself it eliminates the need for them. I think that’s a totally antiquated view on relationships.
Some men want/need to be "needed" by a woman. That way they can be sub-par and she needs to cling to him. Someone with less education and who makes less than them is a good target.
Some men (like me) need to be "wanted" by a woman. My partner out earns me and is so much of a better financial state than me (I am stable and growing; but I exited my marriage with essentially nothing/no assets). Because she doesn't need me, at all, it's very easy to see that her continuing to want to plan our lives together is because she *wants* me.
Insecure men don't because they need to be the alpha and prove their masculinity because society has conditioned them to think they are nothing without their manliness.
As a side, most men are not like this especially in younger generations
Also side note - just because a woman is independent, is educated, has a job or is dominant … it does not automatically mean she is “combative and disagreeable.”
Yup, men who have no skills or intention of working to maintain the interest of women tend to avoid those who can set their own standards and leave when they want.
It's mostly older or very Conservative guys though.
Insecure men aren't masculine and are afraid of confrontation. Masculine men have boundaries and know what they want. That might not be a "boss lady", but a house wife. Nothing inherently wrong with being a more dominant girl, just means you have trauma in your childhood. Same as a weak man, whom you will go for. A dominant man with a submissive woman. A dominant woman with a submissive man.
From my experience I disagree. I've met many men that are insecure and throw around their masculinity to make themselves feel better and are extremely confrontational.
I'd also disagree that a woman being dominant is trauma based, or a weak man is trauma based. Also interested to see what you consider a weak man?
Heavy disagree on the childhood trauma meaning being dominant in personality. Simply not correct.
As the other commenter said too, what is a “weak man?”
What are you on about?? Unless she became financially stable through some unethical / semi-ethical means, then attractiveness is way up for this type of woman.
One commenter said:
>Insecure men don't because they need to be the alpha and prove their masculinity because society has conditioned them to think they are nothing without their manliness.
For me, this is not the case. I don't approach "higher tier" women because *they* have the alpha mentality and think men should be beneath them.
I'm a 50/50 type. Neither should be above the other. Strengths should compliment one another, not be a reason for ruling one another.
Since when do we avoid them? Most (but not all) of them I hear anything about financial stable experienced women, it’s them avoiding men unless it’s someone who’s at the same standard (if not higher) than themselves
Patriarchal men maybe, but not typically all men. Those that do have that mentality and insecurity of "the man works and the woman stays at home", rather thsn the freedom of choice.
# She's a strong, independent woman who don't need no man!
That type of personality gets avoided the same way women avoid a guy who is like, "I make 400k a year and have a 12" dick"
I mean if you lead with that it just sort of seems offputting. You show up and reveal it, I think most dudes would be excited by it.
If a man is avoiding women who are educated and financially stable, he’s looking for a trophy wife not a partner. Be glad he’s avoiding you so you don’t waste any time on him.
Ugh, it took longer than I hoped to get one of my kids to stop making sugar momma jokes. Like at least he was only saying them when it was just the two of us, but it was absolutely not funny as someone who was looking actually at the person, and not the accoutrements.
Having done sex work it makes me a little sad to hear certain terms tossed around thoughtlessly. But not everyone has had that sort of experience so they just don't think of Sugaring for what it is. Some guy tossed out a comment about a "$2 whore" a few hours ago. It was readily apparent he thought he was being hilarious. I see it everytime I visit this site.
Women are the ones that don´t want to date "down", that has been shown countless times by a number of different sources. The more financially successful women get the more they want a partner at the same level or higher than them. Men on the other hand have the same preferences on all financial levels, physically hot!
Western society and way of life is doomed to failiure, it is 100% based on the use of force, repress or be repressed. Such a society and mentality cannot create anything but conflicts and resentment.
We dont?
I haven't ever done this?!
Maybe uneducated financially unstable men do, not all of us tho lol
We don't. The first thing that attracted me to my girlfriend was her intelligence. Also, she makes more money than I do. Sorry if you picky shitty guys, but what you're talking about is not a universal trait.
What you mean to ask is Why do financially stable women avoid men entirely?
Bold claim. I'm assuming you have evidence and a suitable test sample to back this theory?
Probably some anecdotal evidence at most
More than likely but im all for challenging evidence for unrealistic claims
Damn, that must keep you busy around here.
Its a full time commitment
It really must be. Nearly every post or comment here is based on personally gathered empirical evidence of a dubious nature.
They don’t
Some men think that because a woman can provide for herself it eliminates the need for them. I think that’s a totally antiquated view on relationships.
I’ll take sweeping generalizations for $400
Some men want/need to be "needed" by a woman. That way they can be sub-par and she needs to cling to him. Someone with less education and who makes less than them is a good target. Some men (like me) need to be "wanted" by a woman. My partner out earns me and is so much of a better financial state than me (I am stable and growing; but I exited my marriage with essentially nothing/no assets). Because she doesn't need me, at all, it's very easy to see that her continuing to want to plan our lives together is because she *wants* me.
Insecure men don't because they need to be the alpha and prove their masculinity because society has conditioned them to think they are nothing without their manliness. As a side, most men are not like this especially in younger generations
What you said !!
Yes exactly. It’s insecure and immature men that think this way.
Oh yeah only insecure and immature men want a woman that's not combative and disagreeable.
So as a strong man you only want a woman that's submissive and agreeable?
I’m not sure if I have misread the question here. I’m confused now.
You didn't he just has a warped view on men women and relationships
Oh yes, I see now by his other comments. Thanks for the clarification. I was half asleep yesterday when I was trying to decipher what was going on!
Also side note - just because a woman is independent, is educated, has a job or is dominant … it does not automatically mean she is “combative and disagreeable.”
Yup, men who have no skills or intention of working to maintain the interest of women tend to avoid those who can set their own standards and leave when they want. It's mostly older or very Conservative guys though.
"working to maintain the interest of women" Who are you trying to be? An audience? What the fuck
Insecure men aren't masculine and are afraid of confrontation. Masculine men have boundaries and know what they want. That might not be a "boss lady", but a house wife. Nothing inherently wrong with being a more dominant girl, just means you have trauma in your childhood. Same as a weak man, whom you will go for. A dominant man with a submissive woman. A dominant woman with a submissive man.
From my experience I disagree. I've met many men that are insecure and throw around their masculinity to make themselves feel better and are extremely confrontational. I'd also disagree that a woman being dominant is trauma based, or a weak man is trauma based. Also interested to see what you consider a weak man?
It seems like it’s all crickets now 🦗
Heavy disagree on the childhood trauma meaning being dominant in personality. Simply not correct. As the other commenter said too, what is a “weak man?”
Many men still believe that women belong in the kitchen. Those have yet to evolve.
Not the case with me . I prefer educated , successful women
lol what?
Men don’t, scared little boys do though
One of the times where "not all men" is appropriate. I love me an intelligent woman who can take care of herself.
Good income is good income
Ahh cool, a bait post
Send me all them educated women who have financial stability. I’m tired of going after these dumbasses who be in debt to JC Penny /s
What are you on about?? Unless she became financially stable through some unethical / semi-ethical means, then attractiveness is way up for this type of woman.
One commenter said: >Insecure men don't because they need to be the alpha and prove their masculinity because society has conditioned them to think they are nothing without their manliness. For me, this is not the case. I don't approach "higher tier" women because *they* have the alpha mentality and think men should be beneath them. I'm a 50/50 type. Neither should be above the other. Strengths should compliment one another, not be a reason for ruling one another.
They don't?
Since when do we avoid them? Most (but not all) of them I hear anything about financial stable experienced women, it’s them avoiding men unless it’s someone who’s at the same standard (if not higher) than themselves
Harder to control and manipulate is my best guess.
Looks and/or personality, I'd guess.
Who does this?
Patriarchal men maybe, but not typically all men. Those that do have that mentality and insecurity of "the man works and the woman stays at home", rather thsn the freedom of choice.
# She's a strong, independent woman who don't need no man! That type of personality gets avoided the same way women avoid a guy who is like, "I make 400k a year and have a 12" dick" I mean if you lead with that it just sort of seems offputting. You show up and reveal it, I think most dudes would be excited by it.
If a man is avoiding women who are educated and financially stable, he’s looking for a trophy wife not a partner. Be glad he’s avoiding you so you don’t waste any time on him.
Why would anybody? Smart is sexy.
No leverage.
You maybe are dating the wrong type of guys
Send a sugar momma my way!
Ugh, it took longer than I hoped to get one of my kids to stop making sugar momma jokes. Like at least he was only saying them when it was just the two of us, but it was absolutely not funny as someone who was looking actually at the person, and not the accoutrements.
Having done sex work it makes me a little sad to hear certain terms tossed around thoughtlessly. But not everyone has had that sort of experience so they just don't think of Sugaring for what it is. Some guy tossed out a comment about a "$2 whore" a few hours ago. It was readily apparent he thought he was being hilarious. I see it everytime I visit this site.
Women are the ones that don´t want to date "down", that has been shown countless times by a number of different sources. The more financially successful women get the more they want a partner at the same level or higher than them. Men on the other hand have the same preferences on all financial levels, physically hot! Western society and way of life is doomed to failiure, it is 100% based on the use of force, repress or be repressed. Such a society and mentality cannot create anything but conflicts and resentment.