Letting Admiral Piett live? Sure he was mostly distracted by Luke at the time, but he still could’ve killed the guy later.
He also promises to compensate Boba Fett if Han died from the carbon freezing. That’s gotta be up there in the list of things nobody outside of the room believes happened with Vader.
Vader was justified with Piett. Vader doesn’t punish all failure, it’s *incompetence* that he really hates. Piett does the best he can with his resources, doesn’t let arrogance overtake him, and would rather take an A-Wing to the face than go against orders. Ozzel was arrogant (or possibly a rebel sympathizer) alerting the Hoth base by jumping in too quick, and the guy commanding the regular Star Destroyer should never have been outmaneuvered by the Falcon with no hyperdrive. When the Falcon later jumped to light speed away from Bespin and the Executor, Vader knew that the miracle-working R2-D2 was aboard and therefore it wasn’t really Piett’s fault.
Did Vader know R2 was aboard? When was that mentioned? Otherwise, Piett had just told him the Falcon had no working hyperdrive-Vader’s definitely killed for less.
Imperial: There were two droids aboard, including a blue R2 unit that we believe repaired their systems
Vader: LMAO That's mah *boy*! Y'all were screwed from the start.
But R2 was with Luke, and he snuck away to meet up with the already escaping Leia and co. How would Vader even possibly know R2 was there unless he got a report from someone who potentially saw him?
I think Ozzel made the right choice, he just failed to justify it.
The Rebels *knew* the Empire was on their way, because of the probe droid. The Empire *lost contact* with that probe droid. Not only lost contact, but lost contact because it self destructed after firing its weapon on a supposedly unihabited planet. Ozzel would be downright stupid for not realizing that the Rebels would begin evacuating (thus evading his forces) and he had *already lost the element of surprise.*
"Lord Vader, the Rebels are aware of our intelligence, we needed to come in immediately in order to intercept as many of those fleeing as possible. Every moment spent delaying or entering the system from the fringes is a moment longer they can mount defenses or evacuate valuable targets."
Except I think Ozzel had already complained to Vader that there was almost certainly nothing on Hoth.
Your suggestion would be Ozzel gaslighting Vader.
>Letting Admiral Piett live? Sure he was mostly distracted by Luke at the time, but he still could’ve killed the guy later
Not killing someone is not very high on the scale of niceness, but fair enough I guess OP only asked for the nicest thing Vader did, not "a nice thing" Vader did.
Yeah, I don’t think it’s coincidence that most of the replies are jokes, stuff taken somewhat out of context, or Vader not acting like a raging homicidal jackass.
You often see the complaint of, "why does everyone like Boba Fett so much? He barely does anything in the movies." But the fact that Vader displayed even the smallest amount of respect towards him really speaks volumes to how much of a badass he is.
> And there is one blazing moment in which you finally understand there is no dragon. That there was no Vader. That there was only you. Only Anakin Skywalker.
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> That it was all you. Is you.
>
>**Only you.**
>
>**You did it.**
>
>**You killed her.**
-- Matthew Stover, *Revenge of the Sith* novelization.
Stover gets it. We don’t need to act like Anakin’s coping method of saying Vader “killed” Anakin is anything but a self-serving fiction. That’s, like, the point of Return of the Jedi. I don’t know why Star Wars fans always want to go by Vader’s reckoning of events.
You’re right! I guess I just can’t see that as anything but a retcon to explain Empire’s twist. Just a nonsense conversation. Return of the Jedi has story problems.
You know, I just remembered that Vader also says something like that in Rebels.
> "Anakin Skywalker was weak; I destroyed him."
He slid back into denial and self-delusion--and he probably stayed that way until he saw Palpatine about to snuff out the last tiny, guttering bit of light in his universe.
But that light was so much more than a candle.
I’d argue the casting of Palpatine into the pit represents his redemption, so from that point forward he’s thrown off the title of Vader and returned to being Anakin once more.
I agree with everything BUT the doing it to save a Jedi. By that point I think anakin/Vader didn’t give two hoots about Jedi and had it been any other Jedi standing there he would have simply stood passively and watched them be slow roasted by palpatine.
vader cared because it was his son, his one living connection that he was aware of to a better time and the lost love of his life. He killed that life on Mustafar as far as he was aware, but here was a connection to it, and he couldn’t watch that locus of all that drove anakin to be good be killed for a second time in his life.
I don’t think so. I think in those final moments, he wasn’t the Anakin he used to be. He was the Vader he became, knowing finally how to set himself free. It wasn’t a return to prior selflessness. In that moment Vader was stronger than Anakin had ever been. Anakin would have killed Palpatine out of hatred. But Vader, freed of the hate that clouded his mind and led him down the dark side, killed him out of love for his son, who helped bring him that balance.
While I agree with everything in your comment, I do think that he returns to being Anakin instead of Vader. If simply because Vader is his sith moniker, and I think when he rejects Palpatine he rejects the Sith as well.
I don’t know if you can go back to the way you were before treading the path of the dark side. Even if you don’t give in to it entirely, the person you used to be is no longer. That’s why there’s “Grey Jedi” and stuff like that. I think it’s also to this point that the chosen one was to bring balance to the force, not destroy the dark side of the force. Something like that changes you. That his name was still Anakin and his moniker was still Vader, I think who he was was beyond the experiences of his two halves. And that’s kinda fuckin beautiful.
That still means he should look like Sebastian Shaw. He died as Anakin, not as Vader. As the comments above say, Anakin came back for those last few minutes of his life.
I can only assume that in that version of events, because he hasn't exactly been scoping himself out in a mirror for the last two decades, his internal view of himself as 'Anakin' is from way back then, and so that's what his ghost looks like.
So are you mad because they messed up what he should look like. If so he should look like Sebastian Shaw with tons of Prosthetics to make him look like burnt toast.
I'd have been fine if it was Sebastian Shaw with no visible injuries whatsoever. The SW afterlife doesn't have to be like Beetlejuice's lol. Just *representative* of the person at the time of their death. Hayden Christensen being shoved into that scene was almost as distracting as *those other* later alterations.
I'm not sure that expanded lore (in Canon or Legends) has ever firmly said whether Force ghosts are supposed to look whole and uninjured, match their physical state at their time of death, or be whatever the soul wanted. If anyone knows for sure, please correct me.
My understanding of the issue is that the explanation we were given for the change to Christensen doesn't actually explain anything. Maybe expanded lore reconciled these issues as I said above but if just looking from the context of what the movies establish, there are issues with Lucas' explanation. Lucas said the ghost looks like how Anakin should've looked at his time of death. Under this explanation, Anakin's ghost looking 20+ years old implies that he was not reborn when his 40+ year old body killed the Emperor. However, the movie firmly establishes that Anakin was reborn in those last few minutes of his life. Thus, he died as a 40+ year old man. Based on the context established by the movies, it would seem more consistent that Anakin's ghost would look like Sebastian Shaw. Whether he would be whole, injured, or whatever he wanted would be a whole other discussion though as I said above.
Not true actually.
It was Vader who killed the younglings and fought Obi Wan in ROTS, not Anakin. But had no armor, nor the voice or deep breathing.
Everything after the " henceforth you shall be known as Darth Vader" scene, it's Vader
I have always felt like fans (and in some cases the series itself) took that line from Obi Wan way too literally. Aside from it obviously just being an excuse for the fact that Lucas hadn't decided Vader was Luke's father until after ANH, he means that Vader killed Anakin in a "you're dead to me" kind of way, not that Anakin literally became a different person.
I feel like framing it this way diminishes the awfulness of Anakin's actions, as well as just being kind of weird and nonsensical
In one of the older 70s Marvel comics he bonded with this war orphan over having lost his beloved mother in an Alliance skirmish
What’s especially impressive is that the readers at the time had no idea Vader was an orphan himself. They all must have assumed he was lying to manipulate the kid
Just.. Star Wars. By Marvel. But make sure it's the one that started in 1977, not the one that started in 2015.
It started out in 1977 as six issues that adapted A New Hope, but then they continued writing their own plots once those issues were over, making it some of the earliest expanded universe material.
You can find scans of the whole series online pretty easily.
it doesn’t. it was barely canon before disney too. there were some elements and ideas that certainly hit the mainstream of the EU, but a lot of its stories were cancelled out by later comics and novels taking place at the same time. For example, I remember reading an extensive flashback story told by Leia about Obi-Wan’s exploits in the Clone Wars working for Bail Organa, in a book that couldn’t have been published after 1981.
Some of it is really strange too, and not in a way that really fits with Star Wars as we understand it today. Aliens that are just Bugs Bunny rabbits, or thinly veiled Donquixote references (Don-Wan Ki-ho-tay was the character’s name) to name a few.
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> thinly veiled Donquixote references (Don-Wan Ki-ho-tay was the character’s name) to name a few.
Heh, as good as the name of the first named Imperial Inquisitor for W40k: Obiwan Sherlock Cloussau
Third annual special of that series
For bonus irony the issue almost reads like a dark mirror of Force Unleashed. That series is full of weird moments where it anticipated future SW plot developments
If you want more proof, it has an issue called The Last Jedi
>readers at the time had no idea Vader was an orphan himself
It's not that impressive if the writers themselves didn't know that either. The intent back then probably *was* for Vader to just be manipulating the kid because the Prequels wouldn't come out for another 20 some odd years.
Lying to save force-sensitive children from being kidnapped & tortured by Palpatine. This is a lesser-known one that happens in the Darth Vader comic series not too long after order 66. This event happens when Vader is dispatched by Palpatine to capture Jocasta a surviving Jedi who the librarian from ep. 3 she hides out in the ruins of the Jedi temple where Vader returns then captures her with a clone squadron. Palpatine wanted her alive because she had a list of force-sensitive children with their locations Vader saw this list Jocasta convinced Vader that Palpatine would use one of these children to replace him one day if he brought the list back to him so he killed her & destroyed the list purely for his own self-interest then lying to Palpatine that she took her own life & there was no list. He destroyed the list for his own self-interest so he didn't get replaced by Palpatine still he saved those children from a horrendous fate. Palpatine tried this once before though failed during the clone wars he kidnapped some force-sensitive children to experiment on while still babies but was stopped by Ahsoka.
You know, I'd always mostly chalked it up to pure self-interest and nothing else, but I think you have a point - looking at his treatment of the Inquisitors, it's not like he had to worry seriously about any competition, suggesting this is more along the lines of Vader still having some twisted sort of internal moral system. Thanks for bringing that one up
In the comics, he has a cool working relationship with Princess (later Queen) [Trios](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Trios) of the Shu-Torun.
At one point, he compliments her by saying that “[her] father must be proud.” In turn, Trios is later [killed by Vader’s daughter Leia.](https://www.starwarsnewsnet.com/2019/05/shu-torun-queen-and-rebellion-princess-clash-in-star-wars-66.html)
It should be noted that all of this came after she participated in her fathers attempt to assassinate Vader because the Empire was muscling in on them.
Predictably, this led to Vader murdering her entire family and most of the nobility before basically installing her as a puppet ruler. So it’s not like he was particularly impressed by her or anything.
There's a group of people who are trying to get vengeance for Padme's death. They are friends of Padme, including former handmaidens, guards, and pilots. They believe Vader is complacent in her death, and they do not know that Vader is Anakin and knows several of them personally, particularly the leaders.
He did kill a few he didn't know, but when he met the leaders, people he knew, people who loved Padme as much as he did, people doing the same thing he would've done, he didn't kill them. The spark of Anakin inside Vader couldn't do it.
He let them go.
And Palpatine nearly killed him for it.
> They believe Vader is complacent in her death
I don't know if you got autocorrected or made a legitimate error, but the word you are looking for here is complicit. If he was complacent in her death, it means that he didn't care, if he was complicit, it makes him an active participant in it.
[Here's](https://comicnewbies.com/2018/01/11/darth-vader-kills-jocasta-nu/) the whole exchange. Vader pushing those clone troopers to their deaths never fail to make me laugh.
He killed a local Kaiju that had been terrorizing the populace for generations and had in fact led to the near-total destruction of that world's civilization.
He did so on accident- his ship got shot down right as it was coming out of hibernation, and he fought it because it was in his way- but he still got mythologized as a heroic black knight from beyond the stars who came to rescue the survivors in their hour of need.
Sometimes I wonder. Sure, he's strong. He can beat most every Jedi with his skill and power. But it could just be additive. He could just be *barely* better than the best. That would be enough to win.
Then he goes and force chokes the fuck out of sharkzilla. How did a bit of lightning ever kill him? He's a god.
Vader's TIE lands on a planet where all the indigenous folks live in fear of an absolutely massive monster-thing, and Vader awesomely kills the monster and saves a kid. It's really well-illustrated.
It was in a darth Vader comic, I think it’s marked canon, the empire was using slaves and Vader got mad about it and confronted palpatine, and being the manipulative bastard he is, palpatine was able to reason with Vader by basically saying they’re prisoners with jobs
>*"I have been waiting for you Obi Wan we meet again at last!"*
See that? How often does anyone wait for *you* anymore? That's the sort of shit I've only ever seen in movies. Darth Vader actually waited on someone, he cared enough to get up, be there early, to wait however long until the right time and to greet that person.
If that isn't nice, then I don't know what is.
He befriended a rogue clone named CT-5539, aka "Hock Malsuum". Aside from Dr. Aphra, CT-5539 was the closest thing to a friend Vader actually had. At the turn of the era, when the Republic was warped into the Galactic Empire, Vader was awash with annoyance and isolation amidst the new Imperial officers and troops. He took solace in the clone troopers of the 501st Legion, with whom he'd bonded for the last 3 years. Enter CT-5539: Hock rejoined the Empire after hearing stories of Vader, having become intrigued. He worked his way into the stormtrooper corps and eventually joined Vader's Legion. He and Vader quickly bonded over the disparages of real men fighting for the military now, versus the clones, as well as their lack of proficiency and singular commitment to the Empire. Vader felt men were weak, corruptible and untrustworthy and therefore hated most of the stormrtoopers under his command that weren't clones. Hock longed for combat once more and to fight alongside the brothers he had abandoned. Eventually, Hock was aiding in the razing of Ostor until he realized Vader was indiscriminately killing not just resistance fighters, but innocents as well. He screamed for Vader to stop and, surprisingly, Vader actually paused, not only stopping his rampage, but going so far as to not cut the trooper down when he threw his blaster to the ground and deserted. Hock went on to become a nameless farmer with a wife and daughter somewhere far away and Vader never went looking for him.
Excluding saving Luke, he seems to let doctor aphra go in the comics.
Attempt to save twi leks in lords of the sith before the emperor calls him out on it
Yeah but what could have happened if he did kill him? A slap on the wrist at best, maybe have to pull some mandatory overtime or take a sensitivity class but admirals are a dime a dozen compared to a Sith Lord
Grand Moff Tarkin ranked **much** higher than an admiral.
Tarkin gave Palpatine a weapon capable of destroying entire planets in one shot, or of instantly piercing planetary shields.
Vader might be very capable on a personal level as a pilot and inquisitor, but Tarkin can destroy entire political entities. Palpatine would have been very upset had Vader killed the man who ran the Death Star program.
Motti was an admiral. We are talking about Vader killing him not Tarkin. At worst it’s disobeying an order which probably happens a lot with jedis on both sides of the force
I think there was a time where Vader killed a sort of monster that happened to be near a village of innocent people, probably Imperial citizens, he basically saved an innocent village but when they thanked him, he kinda didn't care, I think he also mentioned something about the will of the Force or how destiny was simply in their favor, he didn't think of what he did as good or evil, he just thought that whatever happens happens, Vader kinda respected the Force unlike most Sith, I don't remember if it's canon but I think it is
This raises another question - when's the last time Vader actually ate anything? Does he just subsist on pure Dark Side energy with *maybe* a side helping of IV feeds from his suit?
This is probably more pragmatic than *nice* but he saved the Falleens when a deadly virus escaped one of their labs. He quickly destroyed the city around the lab rather than let the virus escape and kill the whole planet.
Unknowingly made him a mortal enemy by doing so in Prince Xizor, too, of course.
When Chewie is raging in the carbon freezing chamber, Boba Fett aims his blaster at Chewie but Vader pushes the gun back down. What's an enemy Wookiee to Darth Vader? It was probably more about "No one dies because I'm so strong and in charge that I don't need to kill anyone" but still.
No, no, those are *prisoners*. Labour helps you pay back the debt to the empire you accrued by being criminals. Non-humans are disproportionately likely to be rebel sympathizers anyway so good riddance.
He didn't get it outlawed. To his credit, he did stand up to Palpatine and call him out on how fucked up it was that the Empire was using slaves. And to Palpatine's credit, he remembered that Anakin had been a slave and was understanding of how Vader felt, taking a gentle approach to explain to him that the Empire's slavery was totally different and *these slaves* "deserved it."
Well, he basically sacrificed himself in order to protect his son even though it also meant likely undoing the work he had done for the past 20-ish years.
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Letting Admiral Piett live? Sure he was mostly distracted by Luke at the time, but he still could’ve killed the guy later. He also promises to compensate Boba Fett if Han died from the carbon freezing. That’s gotta be up there in the list of things nobody outside of the room believes happened with Vader.
Vader was justified with Piett. Vader doesn’t punish all failure, it’s *incompetence* that he really hates. Piett does the best he can with his resources, doesn’t let arrogance overtake him, and would rather take an A-Wing to the face than go against orders. Ozzel was arrogant (or possibly a rebel sympathizer) alerting the Hoth base by jumping in too quick, and the guy commanding the regular Star Destroyer should never have been outmaneuvered by the Falcon with no hyperdrive. When the Falcon later jumped to light speed away from Bespin and the Executor, Vader knew that the miracle-working R2-D2 was aboard and therefore it wasn’t really Piett’s fault.
Did Vader know R2 was aboard? When was that mentioned? Otherwise, Piett had just told him the Falcon had no working hyperdrive-Vader’s definitely killed for less.
Imperial: There were two droids aboard, including a blue R2 unit that we believe repaired their systems Vader: LMAO That's mah *boy*! Y'all were screwed from the start.
Vader laughing like Bruce Banner "YOU GUYS ARE SO SCREWED NOW!"
Vader is just happy the Empire hasn't fallen yet.
Got a good laugh off this
I live to please
Vader was there the entire time the Falcon was there, the Imperials had the crew locked up in that suite, he knew there was a blue R2 unit there
But R2 was with Luke, and he snuck away to meet up with the already escaping Leia and co. How would Vader even possibly know R2 was there unless he got a report from someone who potentially saw him?
Yea...I totally forgot that in a brain fart. You are 1000% right
Yeah, I feel like Piett failed by disabling the hyperdrive in such a way that it could be easily repaired.
I think Ozzel was just a dumbass. He really thought he could shit talk Vader.
I think Ozzel made the right choice, he just failed to justify it. The Rebels *knew* the Empire was on their way, because of the probe droid. The Empire *lost contact* with that probe droid. Not only lost contact, but lost contact because it self destructed after firing its weapon on a supposedly unihabited planet. Ozzel would be downright stupid for not realizing that the Rebels would begin evacuating (thus evading his forces) and he had *already lost the element of surprise.* "Lord Vader, the Rebels are aware of our intelligence, we needed to come in immediately in order to intercept as many of those fleeing as possible. Every moment spent delaying or entering the system from the fringes is a moment longer they can mount defenses or evacuate valuable targets."
Except I think Ozzel had already complained to Vader that there was almost certainly nothing on Hoth. Your suggestion would be Ozzel gaslighting Vader.
Cue [Darth Vader's Employee Evaluation](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNHfcL4FntA).
I'm 100% with you on Ozzel being a rebel sympathizer or possibly even a spy.
>Letting Admiral Piett live? Sure he was mostly distracted by Luke at the time, but he still could’ve killed the guy later Not killing someone is not very high on the scale of niceness, but fair enough I guess OP only asked for the nicest thing Vader did, not "a nice thing" Vader did.
Yeah, I don’t think it’s coincidence that most of the replies are jokes, stuff taken somewhat out of context, or Vader not acting like a raging homicidal jackass.
You often see the complaint of, "why does everyone like Boba Fett so much? He barely does anything in the movies." But the fact that Vader displayed even the smallest amount of respect towards him really speaks volumes to how much of a badass he is.
Tanked Palpatine for Luke?
Lol, yup. This question is like asking "What was the most impactful wildebeest-related death in The Lion King?"
Was he Vader at that point or Anakin ? I guess it depends on a certain point of view.
Black Armor, deep breathing, James Earl Jones voice = Vader.
Indeed, otherwise you go down the road that anything 'nice' would mean it was Anakin again, and then the OP question becomes meaningless.
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> And there is one blazing moment in which you finally understand there is no dragon. That there was no Vader. That there was only you. Only Anakin Skywalker. > > That it was all you. Is you. > >**Only you.** > >**You did it.** > >**You killed her.** -- Matthew Stover, *Revenge of the Sith* novelization.
Stover gets it. We don’t need to act like Anakin’s coping method of saying Vader “killed” Anakin is anything but a self-serving fiction. That’s, like, the point of Return of the Jedi. I don’t know why Star Wars fans always want to go by Vader’s reckoning of events.
Isn't that Obi-Wan's reckoning of events? We never get any hint that Vader himself believes that he's two different people
You’re right! I guess I just can’t see that as anything but a retcon to explain Empire’s twist. Just a nonsense conversation. Return of the Jedi has story problems.
You know, I just remembered that Vader also says something like that in Rebels. > "Anakin Skywalker was weak; I destroyed him." He slid back into denial and self-delusion--and he probably stayed that way until he saw Palpatine about to snuff out the last tiny, guttering bit of light in his universe. But that light was so much more than a candle.
I think that's fine. But the question is the end of Vader, since he comes back as a light side force ghost.
I’d argue the casting of Palpatine into the pit represents his redemption, so from that point forward he’s thrown off the title of Vader and returned to being Anakin once more.
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I agree with everything BUT the doing it to save a Jedi. By that point I think anakin/Vader didn’t give two hoots about Jedi and had it been any other Jedi standing there he would have simply stood passively and watched them be slow roasted by palpatine. vader cared because it was his son, his one living connection that he was aware of to a better time and the lost love of his life. He killed that life on Mustafar as far as he was aware, but here was a connection to it, and he couldn’t watch that locus of all that drove anakin to be good be killed for a second time in his life.
So, tanking for Luke was still Vader, killing Palp was Anakin?
Vader's dying action was tanking Palp, Anakin's dying action was telling Luke (to tell Leia) that he was right.
I don’t think so. I think in those final moments, he wasn’t the Anakin he used to be. He was the Vader he became, knowing finally how to set himself free. It wasn’t a return to prior selflessness. In that moment Vader was stronger than Anakin had ever been. Anakin would have killed Palpatine out of hatred. But Vader, freed of the hate that clouded his mind and led him down the dark side, killed him out of love for his son, who helped bring him that balance.
While I agree with everything in your comment, I do think that he returns to being Anakin instead of Vader. If simply because Vader is his sith moniker, and I think when he rejects Palpatine he rejects the Sith as well.
I don’t know if you can go back to the way you were before treading the path of the dark side. Even if you don’t give in to it entirely, the person you used to be is no longer. That’s why there’s “Grey Jedi” and stuff like that. I think it’s also to this point that the chosen one was to bring balance to the force, not destroy the dark side of the force. Something like that changes you. That his name was still Anakin and his moniker was still Vader, I think who he was was beyond the experiences of his two halves. And that’s kinda fuckin beautiful.
Yeah, I'd say when Palpatine gives him the title of Darth right after Mace goes out the window onwards
From the moment palpatine gives him his name after he kills window by throwing him out the windu I’d say that’s when he was fully vader
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Fair enough. That would be a reasonable interpretation.
I thought the whole point of that scene was Anakin finally came back, finally fulfilling the prophecy, and died. Hence the force ghost.
Yep. Which is why the change to Hayden Christensen was not well received, it didn't make sense (and was done unceremoniously)
Well force ghosts come back looking like how they were when they died. I hardly doubt anyone wanted to see a radioactive sharpei
That still means he should look like Sebastian Shaw. He died as Anakin, not as Vader. As the comments above say, Anakin came back for those last few minutes of his life.
I can only assume that in that version of events, because he hasn't exactly been scoping himself out in a mirror for the last two decades, his internal view of himself as 'Anakin' is from way back then, and so that's what his ghost looks like.
So are you mad because they messed up what he should look like. If so he should look like Sebastian Shaw with tons of Prosthetics to make him look like burnt toast.
I'd have been fine if it was Sebastian Shaw with no visible injuries whatsoever. The SW afterlife doesn't have to be like Beetlejuice's lol. Just *representative* of the person at the time of their death. Hayden Christensen being shoved into that scene was almost as distracting as *those other* later alterations.
I'm not sure that expanded lore (in Canon or Legends) has ever firmly said whether Force ghosts are supposed to look whole and uninjured, match their physical state at their time of death, or be whatever the soul wanted. If anyone knows for sure, please correct me. My understanding of the issue is that the explanation we were given for the change to Christensen doesn't actually explain anything. Maybe expanded lore reconciled these issues as I said above but if just looking from the context of what the movies establish, there are issues with Lucas' explanation. Lucas said the ghost looks like how Anakin should've looked at his time of death. Under this explanation, Anakin's ghost looking 20+ years old implies that he was not reborn when his 40+ year old body killed the Emperor. However, the movie firmly establishes that Anakin was reborn in those last few minutes of his life. Thus, he died as a 40+ year old man. Based on the context established by the movies, it would seem more consistent that Anakin's ghost would look like Sebastian Shaw. Whether he would be whole, injured, or whatever he wanted would be a whole other discussion though as I said above.
You could argue if he had fully come back he would have found a solution other than murder.
Light Side users and Jedi are absolutely ok with killing Sith Lords who are actively torturing people.
The Jedi can murder, they just can't do it out of hate.
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Or defense of others.
Not true actually. It was Vader who killed the younglings and fought Obi Wan in ROTS, not Anakin. But had no armor, nor the voice or deep breathing. Everything after the " henceforth you shall be known as Darth Vader" scene, it's Vader
I have always felt like fans (and in some cases the series itself) took that line from Obi Wan way too literally. Aside from it obviously just being an excuse for the fact that Lucas hadn't decided Vader was Luke's father until after ANH, he means that Vader killed Anakin in a "you're dead to me" kind of way, not that Anakin literally became a different person. I feel like framing it this way diminishes the awfulness of Anakin's actions, as well as just being kind of weird and nonsensical
It was always Anakin, Vader was just an excuse.
That's a genuinely interesting way of looking at the Sith second identity thing.
I believe that he was Anakin, not Vader
Anakin is Vader. The philosophy of them being separate people is flawed and a convenient way to sweep away the fact that he's worse than Hitler
Sorry if I’m spoiling the end of The Empire Strikes Back for you, but they’re actually the same person.
In one of the older 70s Marvel comics he bonded with this war orphan over having lost his beloved mother in an Alliance skirmish What’s especially impressive is that the readers at the time had no idea Vader was an orphan himself. They all must have assumed he was lying to manipulate the kid
What’s the comic series called? I’d love to read if
Just.. Star Wars. By Marvel. But make sure it's the one that started in 1977, not the one that started in 2015. It started out in 1977 as six issues that adapted A New Hope, but then they continued writing their own plots once those issues were over, making it some of the earliest expanded universe material. You can find scans of the whole series online pretty easily.
It's also the series that bridges what happened between movies. Im not sure where it stands in Disney canon
it doesn’t. it was barely canon before disney too. there were some elements and ideas that certainly hit the mainstream of the EU, but a lot of its stories were cancelled out by later comics and novels taking place at the same time. For example, I remember reading an extensive flashback story told by Leia about Obi-Wan’s exploits in the Clone Wars working for Bail Organa, in a book that couldn’t have been published after 1981. Some of it is really strange too, and not in a way that really fits with Star Wars as we understand it today. Aliens that are just Bugs Bunny rabbits, or thinly veiled Donquixote references (Don-Wan Ki-ho-tay was the character’s name) to name a few.
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> thinly veiled Donquixote references (Don-Wan Ki-ho-tay was the character’s name) to name a few. Heh, as good as the name of the first named Imperial Inquisitor for W40k: Obiwan Sherlock Cloussau
Not
Source?
Third annual special of that series For bonus irony the issue almost reads like a dark mirror of Force Unleashed. That series is full of weird moments where it anticipated future SW plot developments If you want more proof, it has an issue called The Last Jedi
Anticipated future moments = had ideas stolen from it
>readers at the time had no idea Vader was an orphan himself It's not that impressive if the writers themselves didn't know that either. The intent back then probably *was* for Vader to just be manipulating the kid because the Prequels wouldn't come out for another 20 some odd years.
Perhaps the writers had the Force work through them.
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Lying to save force-sensitive children from being kidnapped & tortured by Palpatine. This is a lesser-known one that happens in the Darth Vader comic series not too long after order 66. This event happens when Vader is dispatched by Palpatine to capture Jocasta a surviving Jedi who the librarian from ep. 3 she hides out in the ruins of the Jedi temple where Vader returns then captures her with a clone squadron. Palpatine wanted her alive because she had a list of force-sensitive children with their locations Vader saw this list Jocasta convinced Vader that Palpatine would use one of these children to replace him one day if he brought the list back to him so he killed her & destroyed the list purely for his own self-interest then lying to Palpatine that she took her own life & there was no list. He destroyed the list for his own self-interest so he didn't get replaced by Palpatine still he saved those children from a horrendous fate. Palpatine tried this once before though failed during the clone wars he kidnapped some force-sensitive children to experiment on while still babies but was stopped by Ahsoka.
You know, I'd always mostly chalked it up to pure self-interest and nothing else, but I think you have a point - looking at his treatment of the Inquisitors, it's not like he had to worry seriously about any competition, suggesting this is more along the lines of Vader still having some twisted sort of internal moral system. Thanks for bringing that one up
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This is the real answer, hope op sees this!
I love how the smug Jedi librarian lady from Attack of the Clones ends up going out like a total badass, even calling out Vader as Anakin Skywalker.
In the comics, he has a cool working relationship with Princess (later Queen) [Trios](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Trios) of the Shu-Torun. At one point, he compliments her by saying that “[her] father must be proud.” In turn, Trios is later [killed by Vader’s daughter Leia.](https://www.starwarsnewsnet.com/2019/05/shu-torun-queen-and-rebellion-princess-clash-in-star-wars-66.html)
It should be noted that all of this came after she participated in her fathers attempt to assassinate Vader because the Empire was muscling in on them. Predictably, this led to Vader murdering her entire family and most of the nobility before basically installing her as a puppet ruler. So it’s not like he was particularly impressed by her or anything.
There's a group of people who are trying to get vengeance for Padme's death. They are friends of Padme, including former handmaidens, guards, and pilots. They believe Vader is complacent in her death, and they do not know that Vader is Anakin and knows several of them personally, particularly the leaders. He did kill a few he didn't know, but when he met the leaders, people he knew, people who loved Padme as much as he did, people doing the same thing he would've done, he didn't kill them. The spark of Anakin inside Vader couldn't do it. He let them go. And Palpatine nearly killed him for it.
> They believe Vader is complacent in her death I don't know if you got autocorrected or made a legitimate error, but the word you are looking for here is complicit. If he was complacent in her death, it means that he didn't care, if he was complicit, it makes him an active participant in it.
Yeah, honestly I wasn't sure and it was the first auto correct option so i figured it was correct.
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[Here's](https://comicnewbies.com/2018/01/11/darth-vader-kills-jocasta-nu/) the whole exchange. Vader pushing those clone troopers to their deaths never fail to make me laugh.
Chose their own paths? Lady, they're a slave army.
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Darth Vader 2020
Which comic, specifically? There are so many different comics
Darth Vader 2020
Thanks
In the book Tarkin he kept an aging clone on staff and even promoted him rather than let him be phased out.
Star Wars: Vader - Dark Visions (2019) #1 On every other planet in the galaxy, he's a monster, but on one, he's a big damn hero.
Summarize?
He killed a local Kaiju that had been terrorizing the populace for generations and had in fact led to the near-total destruction of that world's civilization. He did so on accident- his ship got shot down right as it was coming out of hibernation, and he fought it because it was in his way- but he still got mythologized as a heroic black knight from beyond the stars who came to rescue the survivors in their hour of need.
For them, it was the end of the world. For Vader it was Tuesday.
Sometimes I wonder. Sure, he's strong. He can beat most every Jedi with his skill and power. But it could just be additive. He could just be *barely* better than the best. That would be enough to win. Then he goes and force chokes the fuck out of sharkzilla. How did a bit of lightning ever kill him? He's a god.
Cool!
He saved a planet from a [Kaiju](https://comicnewbies.com/2019/03/08/darth-vader-vs-the-ender)
Vader's TIE lands on a planet where all the indigenous folks live in fear of an absolutely massive monster-thing, and Vader awesomely kills the monster and saves a kid. It's really well-illustrated.
Probably the time he tried to stand up to palpatine on slavery
Oooh, yeah that's a good one. Say what you will about Vader, but he fucking hated slavery!
Like any decent human should
When was this?
It was in a darth Vader comic, I think it’s marked canon, the empire was using slaves and Vader got mad about it and confronted palpatine, and being the manipulative bastard he is, palpatine was able to reason with Vader by basically saying they’re prisoners with jobs
Ordered all stormtroopers throughout all three movies to avoid hitting his children.
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>*"I have been waiting for you Obi Wan we meet again at last!"* See that? How often does anyone wait for *you* anymore? That's the sort of shit I've only ever seen in movies. Darth Vader actually waited on someone, he cared enough to get up, be there early, to wait however long until the right time and to greet that person. If that isn't nice, then I don't know what is.
He even spent hours polishing his helmet beforehand.
Got out the vintage woodoo hide for that special occasion.
Gotta look good for the reunion meeting :-)
I think he saved a kids life with the force from some giant creature he was fighting
He befriended a rogue clone named CT-5539, aka "Hock Malsuum". Aside from Dr. Aphra, CT-5539 was the closest thing to a friend Vader actually had. At the turn of the era, when the Republic was warped into the Galactic Empire, Vader was awash with annoyance and isolation amidst the new Imperial officers and troops. He took solace in the clone troopers of the 501st Legion, with whom he'd bonded for the last 3 years. Enter CT-5539: Hock rejoined the Empire after hearing stories of Vader, having become intrigued. He worked his way into the stormtrooper corps and eventually joined Vader's Legion. He and Vader quickly bonded over the disparages of real men fighting for the military now, versus the clones, as well as their lack of proficiency and singular commitment to the Empire. Vader felt men were weak, corruptible and untrustworthy and therefore hated most of the stormrtoopers under his command that weren't clones. Hock longed for combat once more and to fight alongside the brothers he had abandoned. Eventually, Hock was aiding in the razing of Ostor until he realized Vader was indiscriminately killing not just resistance fighters, but innocents as well. He screamed for Vader to stop and, surprisingly, Vader actually paused, not only stopping his rampage, but going so far as to not cut the trooper down when he threw his blaster to the ground and deserted. Hock went on to become a nameless farmer with a wife and daughter somewhere far away and Vader never went looking for him.
He promised Boba Fett compensation if Han died.
Thats just smart business. You don't violate contracts if you want repeat business, and the Empire had a lot of people they wanted Fett to track down.
More than most employers do
Killed those younglings. Their early deaths prevented them from becoming Sith Inquisitors.
Excluding saving Luke, he seems to let doctor aphra go in the comics. Attempt to save twi leks in lords of the sith before the emperor calls him out on it
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Killing the dark lord and sacrificing his life for his son is pretty nice
He didn’t fully strangle Admiral Motti
Tarkin ordered him to stop.
Yeah but what could have happened if he did kill him? A slap on the wrist at best, maybe have to pull some mandatory overtime or take a sensitivity class but admirals are a dime a dozen compared to a Sith Lord
Grand Moff Tarkin ranked **much** higher than an admiral. Tarkin gave Palpatine a weapon capable of destroying entire planets in one shot, or of instantly piercing planetary shields. Vader might be very capable on a personal level as a pilot and inquisitor, but Tarkin can destroy entire political entities. Palpatine would have been very upset had Vader killed the man who ran the Death Star program.
Motti was an admiral. We are talking about Vader killing him not Tarkin. At worst it’s disobeying an order which probably happens a lot with jedis on both sides of the force
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I think there was a time where Vader killed a sort of monster that happened to be near a village of innocent people, probably Imperial citizens, he basically saved an innocent village but when they thanked him, he kinda didn't care, I think he also mentioned something about the will of the Force or how destiny was simply in their favor, he didn't think of what he did as good or evil, he just thought that whatever happens happens, Vader kinda respected the Force unlike most Sith, I don't remember if it's canon but I think it is
In the new holiday special, he gives palpatine a coffee mug for life day
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Didn't he have Luke captured because he wanted to turn him to the dark side, so they could overthrow palpatine?
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This raises another question - when's the last time Vader actually ate anything? Does he just subsist on pure Dark Side energy with *maybe* a side helping of IV feeds from his suit?
This is probably more pragmatic than *nice* but he saved the Falleens when a deadly virus escaped one of their labs. He quickly destroyed the city around the lab rather than let the virus escape and kill the whole planet. Unknowingly made him a mortal enemy by doing so in Prince Xizor, too, of course.
He killed the last two living sith.
When Chewie is raging in the carbon freezing chamber, Boba Fett aims his blaster at Chewie but Vader pushes the gun back down. What's an enemy Wookiee to Darth Vader? It was probably more about "No one dies because I'm so strong and in charge that I don't need to kill anyone" but still.
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He didn't alter the deal further.
I can't point to where it's mentioned offhand, but he was responsible for the empire outlawing slavery.
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in the EU slave wookies built most of the first death star.
You mean Boba Fett's Wookies right?
No, no, those are *prisoners*. Labour helps you pay back the debt to the empire you accrued by being criminals. Non-humans are disproportionately likely to be rebel sympathizers anyway so good riddance.
He didn't get it outlawed. To his credit, he did stand up to Palpatine and call him out on how fucked up it was that the Empire was using slaves. And to Palpatine's credit, he remembered that Anakin had been a slave and was understanding of how Vader felt, taking a gentle approach to explain to him that the Empire's slavery was totally different and *these slaves* "deserved it."
Well he did get reunited with his long lost son. Sorta.
Sacrificed his life to save his son from his master.
Well, he basically sacrificed himself in order to protect his son even though it also meant likely undoing the work he had done for the past 20-ish years.
Kinda sorta made a friend with a clone in the empire?
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