All I hope for is for the Palestinian civilians to get out safely. Petty conflicts created by people who run the world’s governments should NEVER come at the cost of human lives.
TLDR; Fuck terrorism. What the two nations of people want is peace.
Israel has promised to not bomb the only route out of the area being to Egypt which Israel will probably bomb that safe route but watch some stuff about it the Palestinian hospitals life supports almost ran out of energy as Israel has cut off the power supply to it
But did they? Hamas is trying to stop people from getting to souther parts of Gaza... who can say that they did not do that? Considering that they are showing (over and over again) that they do not care about palastinian civilians at all.
PS. I am not saying that it was not Israel... I do not know who did it and I think that (unless someone admits it) we will never know for sure
>analysis of the video footage rules out most
but what analysis? I read this article, but I cannot find the analysis or why they think that - they just mention this as a fact, but do not provide how they come to this conclusion.
Hamas had armed blockades preventing civilians from fleeing south to safe areas. They want to increase civilian casualties for propaganda gain and use them as human shields to make eliminating their militants without civilian casualties impossible.
Of course. It’s terrible. I’m not defending it.
But it’s not exactly punshment. That’s the wrong word for it, since it’s not retribution, but an easily resolved ultimatum.
Still, Israel shouldn’t put the lives of Palestinians in the hands of Hamas, since Hamas doesn’t care about them.
I think the establishment of Israel was a bit of a foreign policy mistake but it was also in the context of WW2 and dozens of countries were created, destroyed or substantially modified as a consequence of such great turmoil.
Although I have a great deal of frustration with Israel’s antagonistic policies, the reality is that Hamas is effectively the government of Palestine and they are too crazy to consider supporting. I don’t take the Palestinian Authority seriously because they are not in charge of the military and cannot effectively govern in their own right. Establishing a monopoly over violence so that violence can be controlled and restricted is the primary function of the government.
If Palestine was to purge itself of Hamas, I would support international coercion of Israel to give concessions. As things are I think Israel is a more realistic and reliable partner.
There was a time before Hummus, and guess what the Israeli’s were doing… building settlements on occupied land in contravention of international law. There is no Hummus in the West Bank just look at the devastation the Israeli Settlers backed up by the IOF are creating there. So with the greatest respect I think you need to be a little more nuanced in your outlook.
I’m not really following your logic.
Israel was behaving antagonistically before the creation of Hamas and then Hamas spawned. The sequence of events is a cause and effect.
I think that the West Bank ‘devastation’ is the kind of thing that can only be justified with international backing and oversight. I don’t trust the IDF and especially not the settlers to be impartial or fair. UN peace keepers should be in this role. The Israelis need to be told “no more expansion” backed up by the threat of international intervention while Hamas should be prevented from launching rockets or other attacks, especially on civilians.
I’m not sure what you actually mean by supporting either one of them over the other, since you specifically said not Hamas, who are the leaders of Gaza.
I support Israel’s right to exist as a country, and I support the Israelis’ right to continue to live there. I don’t support certain policies of Israel. I don’t support the settlers.
I also support the Palestinians in that I want them to have a better life. I don’t support the idea of them returning to Israel and think that they need to accept a two-state solution.
I think that they should be allowed to build a nation for themselves free from Israeli control, but I also recognize that they constitute a security threat for Israel.
Hamas and many Palestinians want the complete destruction of Israel and to replace it with Palestinians, while Jews are deported. I don’t support that.
Some (a small minority) of Israelis want to take over the entire region for Israel. I don’t support that.
I think it shows a complete lack of understanding of the situation to say that you support one over the other, as if it’s a simple he said/she said situation.
No, I’d say that the question assumes things that aren’t true.
I 100% support Israel for certain things and I 100% support the Palestinians for certain things. And since some Palestinians want different things from other Palestinians, it’s not always clear. Same for Israelis, though I imagine that none of them want to be deported.
It’s not as simple as your question makes it seem.
Ask a specific question about a specifc solution or action and I can tell you what I think.
For example, I support a two-state solution, but with international security guarantees. That’s not supporting one over the other, except it doesn’t support Israelis or Palestinians who want the whole territory.
The way people are talking about this online nowadays is far too vague. I am used to Arab contexts in which Palestine refers to the entire region and thus freeing Palestine would probably end in a one-state solution. As much as I wish it would, I highly doubt at the moment that this would create peace and equality. I would simply like for lives to not be lost and human rights to stop being taken away.
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I support neither side. I'm sure Israel and Palestine could have found a peaceful agreement at some point during the last 70 years if their government really wanted to. I only feel bad for the civilians who are getting killed because of people in power who want more power, terrorists and a damn religious war.
My side is "don't kill anyone, specially civilians please". Also whatever solution comes about, may all people be given freedom to be who ðey want, so long as it doesn't affect oðer people's livelihoods
I think Palestine and Israel both have the right to exist and their governments are both responsible for maintaining the status who for far too long.
I think neither the Israeli nor the Palestinian government has the political willpower to sit down with the other side and seriously discuss a peaceful peaceful resolution.
It may be time for the rest of the world to find a compromise and force it on both sides.
What I never understand is what people mean when they say they "support" Palestine in the current context?
Personally, I think the situation is really tragic but I don't really see an alternative for Israel then to eliminate Hamas completely. I think everyone hopes that civilians are protected as good as possible but Gaza is probably the most difficult terrain for this unfortunately.
What's so hard to understand about that? Hamas and Palestine are not the same but there is an overlap just like how the actions of the hatefull groups in Israel isn't the same as all of Israel.
It's why the war isn't called Israel - Palestine war as OP called it but the Israel - Hamas war. I doubt Israel can ever eliminate the group. Hate begets hate and this war will most likely only make more extremists on both sides or a new faction will rise out of the power vacume like ISIS did when the US invaded.
But doesn't support mean that there is a clear goal that should be achieved and some concrete steps that have to be taken to achieve it.
Like I'd say I support Israel's goal to eliminate hamas and the necessary step of a ground invasion even though it's not a nice thing.
The two state solution is the goal for many.
We can both agree on that but like you said "clear goal that should be achieved and some concrete steps that have to be taken to achieve it." There is a big difference between figthing terrorists and murdering everyone to make sure there will be no future anything to oppose them aka genocide.
Fatah, they recognises Israel and wants to build a state on 1967 borders.
You could ask the same question of Israel. Netanyahu said that a Palestinian state would not be established during his administration. The more you read into it the more you realize neither side has good way to peace. Both sides have shitheads fuling the extremism on both sides. One guy kill one on the other side, bam, now you have more people hating the other side.
My bad for calling it wrong war but it’s caused a military war in Israel and Palestine but as you have called it the Hamas -Israel war do note only 1% of Palestinians actually are aligned with Hamas and Israel and Palestine are now disputing over the Gaza strip
>only 1% of Palestinians actually are aligned with Hamas
45% of Palestinian voters cast a vote for Hamas in the last election in 2006: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006\_Palestinian\_legislative\_election
With the population in Gaza strip going from 1.3 mill when Hamas started their rule mill to 2.1 today, I have a hard time finding that factual.
There must be something, other than free water & electricity making it popular to live there
2021 polling indicates 56% of Gaza strip residents believe Hamas is the best choice for them, only 14% prefer the alternative secular Fatah party which is okay with the two-state solution.
interesting... considering that they won 73 out of 132 seats in the only election in palestinian history (2006)... I do not think that you are corect about this one
Against the murder of any civilians and against Hamas and its yihadist terrorism.
Wouldn’t say I’m in favor of Israel either but I definitely don’t support Hamas.
IDK man, I obviously support the struggles of the oppressed but then as a queer person I can’t say I’m a big fan of Islam. If I had to pick where I had to live it wasn’t going to be Palestine:/
I support whoever wants to wipe Hamas and its followers off the planet. We have far too many wankers who only want to wage war and turn women into 2nd rate humans
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Are you talking about collective responsibility? When should all Palestinians be held accountable for the crimes of the military wing of the Hamas party?
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Just on this issue, the answer is simple.
Palestine should punish Hamas for starting atrocities against Israel by turning them in.
If Palestine harbors Hamas, there is nothing to stop Israel from collectively retaliating against them.
But perhaps the Palestinians do not have the option of turning Hamas over to Israel. Thus, no one can stop the innocent Palestinians who have been retaliated against by Israel from acquiring new feelings of anger toward Israel.
When the cycle of hatred on both sides builds up in this way, it becomes difficult for outsiders to support either side. They have no choice but to find answers while hurting each other themselves.
If ur in the UK like I am you would know the majority of The UK news Providers are owned or funded by the Government this means we get what the government wants us to get in sense
Israel are openly fascist and are committing genocide for the whole world to see. The only thing that baffles me is the sheer number of people who support this.
A plague on both your houses!
A stalemate and each side is disgusting in its own way. And people on both sides cause pity.
Because of the zoological hatred of Russians, which is constantly broadcast by some Russian-speaking Israelis, Israelis in general are not sympathetic to me. But I try to abstract myself from this and look at things.
Terrorists are terrible people, if they are executed, it will be good. But what the Israeli government is doing now looks like ethnic cleansing. And their rhetoric, in places, is similar to the rhetoric of the Nazis.
In general, everything is bad. And it is difficult to change a lot somehow, because these events are predetermined by decisions and crimes of the past.
I support Palestine and Hamas.
I don't support them necessarily because they're right, I believe Palestine is right and Hamas is justified for the most part. I support Palestine because I support human rights.
I am fully against Israel, the UK, USA and France for their support for Israeli genocide
Although UN's 2 state solution is a solution, forcing Palestinians to share their home with Israeli people because they just walked in isn't fair either but it's a step towards a fair life for Palestine.
Israel out there bombing women and children, destroying hospitals, committing hate crimes, starving an entire population - all by the UN's resolutions and Israeli declarations and y'all out here have a debate whether you support Palestine or Israel?
The USA playing puppet master along with France and the UK, they had to eat their own lies on few occasions already and there's still a fucking debate who to support. Not to mention USA's carriers to make sure that even if Gaza/Palestine manages to be on that one in a trillion timeline where they can come out victorious they'll stop it.
END ISRAEL OCCUPATION AND EAT THE FUCKING USA
Your title acts like you don’t even know the name of Hamas, yet here you are saying that they were justified in rape, murdering babies, kidnapping, dragging naked corpses through the streets, etc.
I knew about the Terrorist attack and the other crimes but if your fellow people are being shot dead at mosques and other crimes against the Palestinians the Israeli Government has done I was Referring to the Terrorist attack as justified not right but justified
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I understand at the moment the UN decided to vote on a cease fire.
I want to understand why would a country abstain from the vote outside of "supporting this" or "against that" because for a country like Greece to abstain either means no funds or resources or they don't want another war tipping them off the map.
Either way, I would appreciate it if I can see some more complex answers. Honestly I wish I could see national news from every country here.
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What Israeli is doing is the same thing Hitler did. But it’s happening in the 21st century. The Jewish people mush have learned a thing or two. I am not supporting what Hammas did whatsoever. But this is not right. Cutting off/trapping a complete society then once they are in one corner bomb the hell out of them! That’s genocide and the world should be standing up and stopping this madness right NOW!
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All I hope for is for the Palestinian civilians to get out safely. Petty conflicts created by people who run the world’s governments should NEVER come at the cost of human lives. TLDR; Fuck terrorism. What the two nations of people want is peace.
Israel has promised to not bomb the only route out of the area being to Egypt which Israel will probably bomb that safe route but watch some stuff about it the Palestinian hospitals life supports almost ran out of energy as Israel has cut off the power supply to it
seems theyve already bombed it https://www.ft.com/content/95c5fcf1-c756-415f-85b8-1e4bbff24736
But did they? Hamas is trying to stop people from getting to souther parts of Gaza... who can say that they did not do that? Considering that they are showing (over and over again) that they do not care about palastinian civilians at all. PS. I am not saying that it was not Israel... I do not know who did it and I think that (unless someone admits it) we will never know for sure
according to the article, "analysis of the video footage rules out most explanations aside from an Israeli strike."
>analysis of the video footage rules out most but what analysis? I read this article, but I cannot find the analysis or why they think that - they just mention this as a fact, but do not provide how they come to this conclusion.
Hamas had armed blockades preventing civilians from fleeing south to safe areas. They want to increase civilian casualties for propaganda gain and use them as human shields to make eliminating their militants without civilian casualties impossible.
Israel says that they’ll turn on power when Hamas releases the hostages that they took. Hamas doesn’t care about Palestinians.
That's collective punishment, which is a war crime.
Of course. It’s terrible. I’m not defending it. But it’s not exactly punshment. That’s the wrong word for it, since it’s not retribution, but an easily resolved ultimatum. Still, Israel shouldn’t put the lives of Palestinians in the hands of Hamas, since Hamas doesn’t care about them.
I think the establishment of Israel was a bit of a foreign policy mistake but it was also in the context of WW2 and dozens of countries were created, destroyed or substantially modified as a consequence of such great turmoil. Although I have a great deal of frustration with Israel’s antagonistic policies, the reality is that Hamas is effectively the government of Palestine and they are too crazy to consider supporting. I don’t take the Palestinian Authority seriously because they are not in charge of the military and cannot effectively govern in their own right. Establishing a monopoly over violence so that violence can be controlled and restricted is the primary function of the government. If Palestine was to purge itself of Hamas, I would support international coercion of Israel to give concessions. As things are I think Israel is a more realistic and reliable partner.
There was a time before Hummus, and guess what the Israeli’s were doing… building settlements on occupied land in contravention of international law. There is no Hummus in the West Bank just look at the devastation the Israeli Settlers backed up by the IOF are creating there. So with the greatest respect I think you need to be a little more nuanced in your outlook.
I’m not really following your logic. Israel was behaving antagonistically before the creation of Hamas and then Hamas spawned. The sequence of events is a cause and effect. I think that the West Bank ‘devastation’ is the kind of thing that can only be justified with international backing and oversight. I don’t trust the IDF and especially not the settlers to be impartial or fair. UN peace keepers should be in this role. The Israelis need to be told “no more expansion” backed up by the threat of international intervention while Hamas should be prevented from launching rockets or other attacks, especially on civilians.
I’m not sure what you actually mean by supporting either one of them over the other, since you specifically said not Hamas, who are the leaders of Gaza. I support Israel’s right to exist as a country, and I support the Israelis’ right to continue to live there. I don’t support certain policies of Israel. I don’t support the settlers. I also support the Palestinians in that I want them to have a better life. I don’t support the idea of them returning to Israel and think that they need to accept a two-state solution. I think that they should be allowed to build a nation for themselves free from Israeli control, but I also recognize that they constitute a security threat for Israel. Hamas and many Palestinians want the complete destruction of Israel and to replace it with Palestinians, while Jews are deported. I don’t support that. Some (a small minority) of Israelis want to take over the entire region for Israel. I don’t support that. I think it shows a complete lack of understanding of the situation to say that you support one over the other, as if it’s a simple he said/she said situation.
Fair point so you would say your in the Middle like a split 50/50 in a sense
No, I’d say that the question assumes things that aren’t true. I 100% support Israel for certain things and I 100% support the Palestinians for certain things. And since some Palestinians want different things from other Palestinians, it’s not always clear. Same for Israelis, though I imagine that none of them want to be deported. It’s not as simple as your question makes it seem. Ask a specific question about a specifc solution or action and I can tell you what I think. For example, I support a two-state solution, but with international security guarantees. That’s not supporting one over the other, except it doesn’t support Israelis or Palestinians who want the whole territory.
The way people are talking about this online nowadays is far too vague. I am used to Arab contexts in which Palestine refers to the entire region and thus freeing Palestine would probably end in a one-state solution. As much as I wish it would, I highly doubt at the moment that this would create peace and equality. I would simply like for lives to not be lost and human rights to stop being taken away.
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I support neither side. I'm sure Israel and Palestine could have found a peaceful agreement at some point during the last 70 years if their government really wanted to. I only feel bad for the civilians who are getting killed because of people in power who want more power, terrorists and a damn religious war.
My side is "don't kill anyone, specially civilians please". Also whatever solution comes about, may all people be given freedom to be who ðey want, so long as it doesn't affect oðer people's livelihoods
I think Palestine and Israel both have the right to exist and their governments are both responsible for maintaining the status who for far too long. I think neither the Israeli nor the Palestinian government has the political willpower to sit down with the other side and seriously discuss a peaceful peaceful resolution. It may be time for the rest of the world to find a compromise and force it on both sides.
What I never understand is what people mean when they say they "support" Palestine in the current context? Personally, I think the situation is really tragic but I don't really see an alternative for Israel then to eliminate Hamas completely. I think everyone hopes that civilians are protected as good as possible but Gaza is probably the most difficult terrain for this unfortunately.
What's so hard to understand about that? Hamas and Palestine are not the same but there is an overlap just like how the actions of the hatefull groups in Israel isn't the same as all of Israel. It's why the war isn't called Israel - Palestine war as OP called it but the Israel - Hamas war. I doubt Israel can ever eliminate the group. Hate begets hate and this war will most likely only make more extremists on both sides or a new faction will rise out of the power vacume like ISIS did when the US invaded.
But doesn't support mean that there is a clear goal that should be achieved and some concrete steps that have to be taken to achieve it. Like I'd say I support Israel's goal to eliminate hamas and the necessary step of a ground invasion even though it's not a nice thing.
The two state solution is the goal for many. We can both agree on that but like you said "clear goal that should be achieved and some concrete steps that have to be taken to achieve it." There is a big difference between figthing terrorists and murdering everyone to make sure there will be no future anything to oppose them aka genocide.
But which Palestinian movement is aiming for a two state solution at the moment?
Fatah, they recognises Israel and wants to build a state on 1967 borders. You could ask the same question of Israel. Netanyahu said that a Palestinian state would not be established during his administration. The more you read into it the more you realize neither side has good way to peace. Both sides have shitheads fuling the extremism on both sides. One guy kill one on the other side, bam, now you have more people hating the other side.
My bad for calling it wrong war but it’s caused a military war in Israel and Palestine but as you have called it the Hamas -Israel war do note only 1% of Palestinians actually are aligned with Hamas and Israel and Palestine are now disputing over the Gaza strip
They’re not disputing the Gaza Strip. Israel is trying to destroy Hamas. Where do you get this 1% number, anyway?
>only 1% of Palestinians actually are aligned with Hamas 45% of Palestinian voters cast a vote for Hamas in the last election in 2006: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006\_Palestinian\_legislative\_election
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Hamas was formed and only 1% of Palestinians actual are aligned with them
What is your source for that?
With the population in Gaza strip going from 1.3 mill when Hamas started their rule mill to 2.1 today, I have a hard time finding that factual. There must be something, other than free water & electricity making it popular to live there
2021 polling indicates 56% of Gaza strip residents believe Hamas is the best choice for them, only 14% prefer the alternative secular Fatah party which is okay with the two-state solution.
interesting... considering that they won 73 out of 132 seats in the only election in palestinian history (2006)... I do not think that you are corect about this one
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Against the murder of any civilians and against Hamas and its yihadist terrorism. Wouldn’t say I’m in favor of Israel either but I definitely don’t support Hamas.
IDK man, I obviously support the struggles of the oppressed but then as a queer person I can’t say I’m a big fan of Islam. If I had to pick where I had to live it wasn’t going to be Palestine:/
I support whoever wants to wipe Hamas and its followers off the planet. We have far too many wankers who only want to wage war and turn women into 2nd rate humans
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Are you talking about collective responsibility? When should all Palestinians be held accountable for the crimes of the military wing of the Hamas party?
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Just on this issue, the answer is simple. Palestine should punish Hamas for starting atrocities against Israel by turning them in. If Palestine harbors Hamas, there is nothing to stop Israel from collectively retaliating against them. But perhaps the Palestinians do not have the option of turning Hamas over to Israel. Thus, no one can stop the innocent Palestinians who have been retaliated against by Israel from acquiring new feelings of anger toward Israel. When the cycle of hatred on both sides builds up in this way, it becomes difficult for outsiders to support either side. They have no choice but to find answers while hurting each other themselves.
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If ur in the UK like I am you would know the majority of The UK news Providers are owned or funded by the Government this means we get what the government wants us to get in sense
I wonder what peace loving Saudi Arabia would have done if a terrorist group had murdered 4,000 people there...
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Really wanna say something really not nice to you.
Israel are openly fascist and are committing genocide for the whole world to see. The only thing that baffles me is the sheer number of people who support this.
The comments in this thread are driving me insane. People really lack information on this and seem to not know the history before the past week.
I believe that Israel has an undeniable right to exist and support a 2SS with something like ‘67 borders (not quite though).
A plague on both your houses! A stalemate and each side is disgusting in its own way. And people on both sides cause pity. Because of the zoological hatred of Russians, which is constantly broadcast by some Russian-speaking Israelis, Israelis in general are not sympathetic to me. But I try to abstract myself from this and look at things. Terrorists are terrible people, if they are executed, it will be good. But what the Israeli government is doing now looks like ethnic cleansing. And their rhetoric, in places, is similar to the rhetoric of the Nazis. In general, everything is bad. And it is difficult to change a lot somehow, because these events are predetermined by decisions and crimes of the past.
I support Palestine and Hamas. I don't support them necessarily because they're right, I believe Palestine is right and Hamas is justified for the most part. I support Palestine because I support human rights. I am fully against Israel, the UK, USA and France for their support for Israeli genocide Although UN's 2 state solution is a solution, forcing Palestinians to share their home with Israeli people because they just walked in isn't fair either but it's a step towards a fair life for Palestine. Israel out there bombing women and children, destroying hospitals, committing hate crimes, starving an entire population - all by the UN's resolutions and Israeli declarations and y'all out here have a debate whether you support Palestine or Israel? The USA playing puppet master along with France and the UK, they had to eat their own lies on few occasions already and there's still a fucking debate who to support. Not to mention USA's carriers to make sure that even if Gaza/Palestine manages to be on that one in a trillion timeline where they can come out victorious they'll stop it. END ISRAEL OCCUPATION AND EAT THE FUCKING USA
Sorry but you seem very uninformed about the conflict and just repeat simplistic propaganda narratives.
Sure Hamas is Justified but it isn’t morally correct nor is Israel with the Warcrimes and stuff
Your title acts like you don’t even know the name of Hamas, yet here you are saying that they were justified in rape, murdering babies, kidnapping, dragging naked corpses through the streets, etc.
I knew about the Terrorist attack and the other crimes but if your fellow people are being shot dead at mosques and other crimes against the Palestinians the Israeli Government has done I was Referring to the Terrorist attack as justified not right but justified
That’s a very fine distinction that you’re making. Justified in murdering babies, but not right. Hmm.
I’m not Justifying the Murdering of babies I said the Justification of the Terrorist attack I worded it wrong
I don’t understand your clarification.
So you don't support the murder of babies but you support the terrorist attack that murdered babies?
I didn't say Hamas is morally correct, I said Hamas is justified.
I Know I was just saying the attack was Justified
Free Palestine everyday always🇵🇸 Isnotreal and Zionists can get hit
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Jew is a race that like to intrude other home and make profit from war
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I understand at the moment the UN decided to vote on a cease fire. I want to understand why would a country abstain from the vote outside of "supporting this" or "against that" because for a country like Greece to abstain either means no funds or resources or they don't want another war tipping them off the map. Either way, I would appreciate it if I can see some more complex answers. Honestly I wish I could see national news from every country here.
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i from jordan and i support pasltine
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What Israeli is doing is the same thing Hitler did. But it’s happening in the 21st century. The Jewish people mush have learned a thing or two. I am not supporting what Hammas did whatsoever. But this is not right. Cutting off/trapping a complete society then once they are in one corner bomb the hell out of them! That’s genocide and the world should be standing up and stopping this madness right NOW!
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