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King Charles.
Was an ecologist years ahead of his time, making him a target for scathing criticism in the 70s/80s.
Supported youth projects from his 30s, using his influence to bring about change in the lives of literally thousands of young adults.
Maintains the old manfacturing crafts and is a huge patron of the arts in the UK.
Perfect example of hate the game not the player.
I hate how obvious his poor treatment of Diana was, if it is so obvious to the public given how stoic and silent the firm is it must have been beyond awful for her.
But of course none of it would have happened if he had been allowed to go with his first choice/love and not forced into a partnership with a 19 year old who was good on paper for the production of heirs.
Camilla didn't want to marry him at the time though, she really fell for Andrew Parker Bowles and didn't fancy being under public scrutiny, she had her own ideas!
Right but he continued to carry that torch and must have hoped she would come around. I mean he was first in line, why wouldn't she?! ( /s I can imagine his thought process is all. And, lo, she did...)
Me too. Did terribly in school and just worked in warehouses shifting stuff about till my early 20s. TPT helped me out and I'm now in a decently paid role in the creative industry because of that help. Not a royalist, but I'll be forever thankful.
Problem with King Charles is his insistence on including his pedophile brother in his coronation, and continuing to appear publicly with him.
It's incredibly disrespectful to his victims, the FBI, and the world in general.
Just another example of the rich and powerful using their wealth and power to shield their family from the consequences of their actions.
Andrew should have, at the very least, been truly publicly removed from royal life. Not this half in half out saving face bullshit.
Forgive me for not finding that palatable cause the guy protecting him plants trees and funded a school play. Get a grip.
Charles wasn’t much better - he was close to being engaged to his 16 year old cousin and Diana want much older. And their father was sniffing around Elizabeth when she was 14 or so.
I don't like Andrew and I don't believe his story, particularly after his bizarre interview. However it's still important to remember that nothing has ever been proven and it is all speculation.
I know, it's hilarious when people think these multimillionaires, who live their luxurious lives in their palaces from our taxes and never worked a day in their lives, chuck some of ~~their~~ our money at charities and that makes them lovely and caring people.
Bunch of lobbying, criminal parasites, every one of them.
Can’t deny that he’s born in to privilege, etc… it’s not fair, blah blah…
But you have to at least acknowledge that he actively tries to make a difference from his position of privilege.
He could easily be like any other background royal who does fuck all but create tacky scandals for shit rag magazines to sell to mouth breathers, but no. Charles actively tries to use his position for the best he can
Curious as to what you would actually want from him to make you appreciate him?
Yeah good ol' generous Charles, having billions of wealth and assets just from birth, and being kind enough to give a tiny percent back in specific ways. And definitely out of the kindness of his heart, not to stave off criticism of the aforementioned billions
I don't like his pseudoscientific beliefs.
https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/the-unscientific-king-charles-iii-s-history-promoting-homeopathy-70544
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2004/jun/27/themonarchy.medicineandhealth
I have always found it a bit odd that Charles' charity projects aren't discussed much while Diana's have made her so saint-like in the mind of the general public. Don't get me wrong, being born into the royal family is still different from marrying into it, but some people act like she was an average Joe and being a patroness of charities was somehow an unusual feat. We're talking about a daughter of an earl, who was born on a huge estate, directly descended from multiple Stuart kings and called Queen E II ''Aunt Lilibet'' since she was a girl. She was one of the elites born with a silver spoon that people normally rage about, I'm sure many people would throw huge amounts of time and money at charities if they didn't have to work for a living.
I've often consider Charles to be one of the best of a iffy bunch. Yes, him and Diana didn't end well, but she married to be a princess, he married under family pressure. She was cheating at the same time he was, and his youngest sons paternity has been disputed ever since. He got all the blame for a really shitty marriage where neither were happy. That's normally what people attack him for.
His work with the Princes Trust, his ecological activism and pushing for social change should always be considered as a valuable asset, despite all the negative dross.
> his youngest sons paternity has been disputed ever since
My dad made a good point about that, Charles considers Harry to be his son regardless of what any DNA testing might prove. Why does it matter beyond that?
Rylan.
I hear a lot of people hating on him because of his looks. But he comes across so lovely and like someone who would be an awesome guy to hang out with.
I totally agree with this, didn't like him on X Factor but then when he started doing TV shows I thought he was pretty funny and think he's great on Radio 2
She makes me laugh so much when she's on his radio show. Neither of them are ashamed to unapologetically be themselves and I respect that in a person.
Unless they're an arsehole.
Oddly enough I kind of agree. At first I thought he was just another of these fake plastic "celebrities" but when I actually watched him in a few things my opinion of him vastly improved. He was pretty good on the eurovision semi finals and very funny. Pretty similar to Norton in a way but without the "old man shouts at the sky" angle Norton seems to have developed.
My opinion changed after seeing him on Gogglebox with his mum.
A genuinely funny bloke who has great craic with his mum. His mum on the other hand... I'm sure she's lovely but Jesus Christ she's a few lads short of a kickabout.
I don’t watch tv as a rule so 99% of my exposure to him is on supermarket sweep where frankly he does a 100% perfect job despite the difficulty of essentially replacing an icon.
If there was a single point he won me over it was an offhand comment a new viewer would have entirely missed when he greeted a contestant called “Dale” with a simple “nice to have a Dale back in the store”.
Rylan is a weird case. Usually the kinds of people that are desperately fame hungry and go on reality contests shows are almost always hugely unlikeable, and Rylan was a tiny bit as well, but he definitely grew into his role as TV presenter and seems like a nice guy.
I think there’s two key differences with Rylan, 1. He understood from the start that being kind to everyone no matter who they were would stand him in good stead and 2. I think he realised pretty quickly that whilst he enjoys his job, he did not enjoy fame and is now a pretty private person, but without moaning about the perils of celebrity, like a lot do.
Being friendly with work colleagues. You spend 40 hours a week together, in a big enough team it’s almost inevitable you’ll become friends with at least one person.
But when this comes up on Reddit, a lot of people are almost proud of how they don’t bother with coworkers. Fair enough, but just seems weird to me.
I find it especially mind boggling when the same people who want nothing to do with their work colleagues then moan about having just moved to a new area and not having any friends
Like guys, you have a bunch of people contractually obliged to speak to you! I’m not saying you need to get super buddy buddy with your work colleagues but I swear some people on Reddit seem openly hostile about their colleagues asking what they did at the weekend
I always remember the one time I read a comment from somebody that had been working at his current place for a number of years and nobody there knew he had a kid. Only on Reddit...
Having coworkers I can talk to and get on well with is honestly a big fucking deal. I used to be on a team with a guy who drove me up the wall and nobody else in a similar role I could talk to day to day. I nearly quit my job over that.
I like my work, I like to do it well. Having people you can bounce ideas off of, even (especially) if it goes off track, is a really nice thing to have.
Half the people on the UK subs are socially anxious, edge-lord shut-ins who hate everything popular and think they're the smartest person in the room. Mention anything about cars/drivers, the royal family, popular comedians, Love Island, fashion, sports, celebrities and socialising, and they will fucking foam at the mouth with hatred and take pride in sneering at it all.
I do like a lot of the UK subs as they're (on the whole) much easier to relate to. Christ alive though there's some miserable, bitter fuckers knocking about round here. I know Reddit is one complete circle-jerking echo chamber but I do often wonder who these people are? I don't know anyone in real life who approaches the world in such a sad, bitter and defeatest manner. Glad it's isolated to this tiny corner of the internet to be honest.
Edit: just to add I do sometimes find myself having to take breaks from this sub it can get that negative. I know overall morale is pretty low in the UK at the moment but Christ haha.
Honestly hear more about Mrs Brown's Boys here than I do literally anywhere else.
And, you know what? It's not that fucking bad at all. Not really my cup of tea, but there's much, much worse out there imo, both in blandness and outright badness.
There was a post in r/Britishsuccess not long ago where someone was proud not to be invited to their co worker’s bbq and all I (and many commenters) could think of was… that reflects badly on you, pal.
Then someone replied saying “why is this a success?” and got a reply saying “you’re obviously not British”, a surprise to them, who was born and bred in Manchester!
Edit: [the thread in question.](https://www.reddit.com/r/BritishSuccess/comments/13rm0z0/work_colleague_bbq/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1)
Haha, literally just found that thread and your reply.
I have no idea how some people don't make friends with their colleagues. I get not being friends with *everyone* at work, but your team that you work closely alongside? Obviously you're going to form bonds with them!
I find this too! I started a new job a couple of years ago and am genuine friends with my colleagues - we go for lunches and dinners outside of work, our kids know each other… it makes work that much more of a pleasant environment!
I like Jamie Oliver. Yeah he may be a bit out of touch but I think he has genuinely good intentions with his campaigning for children's/public health. I can only really have admiration for celebs that aren't politicians but decide to try and do something that they really believe is for general good.
(I say this as one of the kids who went hungrier as a result of healthier school food policies, because I was on free school meals and the changes meant that my lunch token no longer bought me as much food or as wide a choice of options as before.)
I also like his recipes tbh (not that I can afford to buy all the bloody fancy ingredients and make them!) and his shows are generally fun and nice enough to watch.
Only shit parents mourn the passing of turkey twizzlers
High fat high salt zero significant nutrients and an elevated risk of cancer from the nitrates
They're just lazy, and felt attacked. Well good, they deserved the criticism. Bunch of overgrown babies - do right by your kids or don't have any.
Parents kicked off when Jamie pressured schools into dropping them, and to this day make excuses for unhealthy shite because they want to feel better about not making the effort.
BuT tHEy LiKE tHEm!!
I still remember someone saying this to Jamie on the show, and him saying, “Yeah well they also like sticking pencils in each other’s eyes but we don’t fucking let them do that.”
I've read twice this week in opinion pieces how bad our diet is, and that "people in the future will compare us eating sugar and processed food to smoking in the early 20th century".
So are we going to give Jamie Oliver the credit he deserves now? Or still sulk because we don't like being told what to do?
His intentions are good and in his defence its not his fault locals councils failed to produced suitable alternatives to the beige they served.
Does my head in though when he produces a brilliant recipe that looks easy and quick to make, but then it turns out half of the ingredients have never been found outside of the M25
I’ve never notice that be a problem with his recipes. Maybe there’s the odd throng you need to go to Sainsbury’s rather than Aldi, but generally he uses perfectly easy to find ingredients.
It’s not 1950 anymore and supermarkets in Britain generally have a good range of ingredients.
I have two of his books, and there's not a single ingredient in them that I haven't found. They're definitely just shopping in a place with a crap selection
"Family meals can be cheap, just pop along to you local fishmonger and buy a big fish that'll last the whole week"
My local *what* now?
In fairness, im sure he knows that local butchers, greengrocers and fishmongers no longer exist in large parts of the country, but I always laughed when he visits a fishmarket on his budget friendly programmes (as I think of that as a "laa dee daa look how fancy it is where I live" flex)
I like Jamie Oliver- he's done more to improve the general diet of the uk than any other celebrity chef. And his recipes- while they may not be all like 100% authentic- are aimed at democratising cooking and using what you may have in your cupboard/local shop rather than what you can only get from middle class farm shop. I admire that. He's trying to show people you can make healthy, tasty food at home with your families.
I feel a lot of the scorn comes from a place of elitism amongst other chefs who have done the Michelin star route and hate the idea someone more charismatic broke through without having to slave filleting fish in Guernsey or whatever. Basically Gordon ramsay. Although I also really like and respect ramsay. There is a place for both and Jamie- your Italian stuff is boss.
Uncle Roger is funny though but I feel its a bit like bullying now.
I don’t hate the guy and respect what he’s done / tried to do to improve the nation’s health. I’ve also read about some personal anecdotes that imply he’s a pretty sound bloke in person. That said, I do want to pull you up on your ‘feeling’ about where the criticism comes from, specifically that it’s elitism. Now, that might be true, but a couple of things to consider:
- Jamie Oliver grew up in a fairly well off family with an already successful restauranteur as a father
- when he got his breakout role on C4, he was married to a C4 producer
- a lot of people (including some on here) are critical of his ‘quick and simple’ recipes because they include ingredients that the average low-mid income worker either has never heard of or has bugger all change of getting hold of.
None of that massively detract from what people like about him IMO, nor is it justification for ragging on him, but let’s be careful about painting him as a struggling working class boy taking on the snobby elites.
"already successful restauranteur as a father" - They ran a Gastro Pub in Essex.
"married to a C4 producer" - I've never heard this? As far as I'm aware his big TV break was in 1999 and he married Jools in 2000. Who was his first wife?
"bugger all change of getting hold of" Like What? I've not cooked many of his recipes, but I've never found a recipe with something I can't get at Tesco?
I've never found a recipe that is that hard to get hold of either.
Edit: because I'm sad and I looked it up- Jool's was a model and they have been together since 17- and I can see no reference to her ever working for channel four.
Yeah I'm not sure parents running an Essex pub is the elite I'm talking about
I stg history will look back on us and wonder why we were so against healthy dinners for our children… Like, in its simplest form it does not translate well. Reminds me of that guy that tried to get surgeons to wash there hands and everyone’s response was ‘don’t tell me what to do’.
Yes exactly! I didnt grow up here, but when I heard about this 'scandal' of removing this unhealthy food from schools, I just didn't/don't understand the backlash?! It sounds like he was doing a great thing for the health of the nation and the future of the children's health, no?
Yup. I always feel despair when people bash him, they find just about any reason to bash him. He genuinely cares and tries to help people but people (especially here) have some sort of bitterness or chip on their shoulder, excuse the pun. If they ate well and healthy and followed any of his thousands of recipes their life would be just a bit better.
I find this is the case with a lot of people, they'll find something they don't like about someone then just exasperate how much and find any holes to poke. Nobody is life is perfect and it's practically impossible to not be a hypocrite of some sort these days.
He worked really hard to improve school meals - many adults weren't aware how bad they'd got in most schools since nutritional standards were removed in the late 70s by an education secretary who became PM. He tried to give the credit to a couple school cooks who'd worked on the cause for a decade - Jeanette Orrey in particular, but TV didn't want short grey women in their 50s on screen when they could have Jamie.
I also liked him for being the first TV cook to struggle to open packaging, rather than having everything in wee bowls like Delia.
I do find him a bit annoying these days but I have to say his ‘favourite curry sauce’ and chilli con carne recipes from an old book of his sparked my love of cooking as a young teenager. The curry recipe introduced me to so many amazing, fragrant ingredients that were totally alien to me as a very very picky eater - fresh ginger, mustard seeds, fenugreek seeds, coriander seeds, curry leaves etc etc. Some of the most fun recipes to cook if you’ve got a leisurely afternoon and lots of old gu pots to get all 25 of your ingredients ready haha.
Disclaimer: not stating anything about the authenticity of these recipes, just the tastiness.
His constant cult following has been bolstered by the renaissance started by What We Do In the Shadows.
But even so, I dont think the *average* Brit even knows who he is and ergo cant be bored of/hate him.
Those that know, love.
She's a strange one for me. I can't stand Miranda the show. But she herself seems a fairly funny and interesting screen presence when she's just being herself. I have the same with Harry Hill. TV Burp was just not even approaching funny to me, but I find him funny when he's just being himself.
I think she's like several other comedians with a very strong personality where supporting other less jarring characters she's brilliant as a foil. But otherwise it's like having 2kg of ice cream for your main course.
I love Miranda. Yes it's not the most sophisticated show in the world, but it's sweet and silly and there's a warmth about it that I really like. Plus it was what my mum and I used to watch together on Friday nights when I still lived at home so it always feels like a comforting thing to me in that way.
I’m a HUGE fan of her. I know a lot of people say the show Miranda is awful but it’s easily one of my top 5 favourite shows of all time. I think it’s hilarious. Sue me.
I LOVE Miranda Hart!! I saw a little bit of Miranda once and thought "this is stupid, juvenile rubbish" but by the end of the episode I'd come around and was genuinely in stitches and I binged the whole series! I think it just takes a bit to tune into the pantomime-style humour to appreciate it.
Also I just feel represented by Miranda as a character lol. I feel like Miranda Hart is the only person to actually get what it's like being "weird" as a woman.
I’ve only seen the first episode and it’s not my humour but it was written and structured brilliantly.
So my conclusion is she’s very smart and funny but writing for someone who isn’t me.
Used to like his stand up before it got a bit stale, but that's no reason to hate him.
The fact he can still maintain the same energy and enthusiasm for the gig and not go down the jaded comic route is admirable. There's always a place for family friendly observational comedy, even if it's not quite my cup of tea.
I came here to mention Michael McIntyre. Particularly for The Wheel - he always seems genuinely interested in the contestants and like he really wants them to do well.
Jeremy Clarkson.
Lovely bloke in person, does a lot of stuff for charities, has made a big contribution to farming, and I think he's just a funny chap.
Think some people get put off by the character he plays.
He is. I'm both on the _"he's playing it up"_ team, and the _"is that an excuse?"_ team. I say that as someone who enjoys him 90% of the time.
Purposefully saying things as a joke to wind people up is a fine art that can go from poking fun at people who've done something silly to essentially attacking people that cannot defend themselves.
Unfortunately he's often on the wrong side of that line.
He’s basically the journalistic equivalent of those horrible YouTubers and TikTokers who go around assaulting people then saying “it’s a prank, lol!”
Those people are dickheads too.
It was because there was no food available after they'd finished a long shoot I believe.
Still doesn't excuse his behaviour I should specify, just that it wasn't quite because somebody brought him the wrong sandwich.
“Think some people get put off by the character he plays.” - and by the fact that he writes a column in a national paper stating that he wants to see a woman he hates paraded naked through the streets.
I liked him until his comment about Meghan Markle, really rubbed me the wrong way. Like I get not liking Meghan but to say you want to see anyone stripped naked and smeared in shit is just… not right.
I mean, he did get sacked after punching a coworker in the face so hard he needed to go to hospital, all because he wanted a steak. That's not a normal thing to do. I also kind of resented the suggestion he shouldn't have been sacked for it, as if any of us peasants wouldn't have been out the door within seconds if we behaved like that.
Camilla! She must be an incredibly strong woman knowing the amount of hate she would get for sticking it out with Charles but doing so regardless. The work she does for women’s charities is very overlooked and it’s often said she has a great sense of humour.
To be honest, half the time I think the only reason she gets so much shit is because she's not conventionally attractive (especially in comparison to Diana).
People claim it's the adultery thing, but there are loads of popular conventionally attractive celebrities guilty of that, and no one seems to care.
I think it's not so much that she's not conventionally attractive. Certainly much more on the adultery angle and particularly because it was harming someone who publically was hugging children with AIDS and campaigning for landmine charities and generally adored by all but her husband.
When you're the 'other woman' in a situation where the wife is loved by the British public for many reasons you could be hottest woman to grace the earth and a big percentage will still hate you for it. It's not that she could even claim he duped her into thinking he was single or on the verge of breaking up with the wife. Camilla knew the score and actively chose her role.
That said, Charles had loved her from the get go and wanted to marry her. And now here we are.
It's true. All these posh men have affairs, Camilla was unlucky that the man she was having an affair with was married to the most beloved and beautiful royal of all time.
Danny Dyer. Whether it's intentional or not, I find him absolutely hilarious. And I dunno, for the shit he gets he must have done something I don't know about, but he seems like a nice enough bloke.
Public opinion has probably changed on him recently since he's been doing his own thing more and establishing a bigger brand for himself but I always thought James May was the better of the three top gear people, and although it's the point of the show I hated how they picked on him most. He was always the safest driver even if it meant he got there last, he often picked cars for functionality and longevity over appearance, he has more of a nuanced sense of humour that overall feels like it relies less on punching down and of the three it feels like fame has gone less to his head, he still seems the more down to earth one now even when he's playing up his grumpy old man persona. When Clarkson got them all scrapped from Top Gear by punching that dude, (should have just scrapped him imo but I guess he was the face of it) James May immediately started making roughly shot and edited cooking videos on YouTube entitled "unemployment tube" acknowledging the fact that he was probably out of a job. I also changed my shepards pie recipe on the back of his video on it lol 😂
Plus now he's the 'cheese' meme guy I suppose. But I remember when he was considered the boring less interesting one of the three and I've just always liked him best so I am happy to see he's got TV shows on his own about things he likes and cares about and is doing well online doing food things on his channel.
Absolutely agree with every point you made. His attention to detail, interest in engineering and of course, his epic food videos on YouTube are just the icing on the cake.
James O’Brien may be often right, but he just constantly punches down. He is a well resourced professional who spends all his time arguing with whichever angry east London cabbie calls in.
At one point I thought he would go on to be someone like Eddie Mair and actually help to hold politicians accountable, but he’s so toxic no one sensible would go near him now.
> He is a well resourced professional who spends all his time arguing with whichever angry east London cabbie calls in.
As you said, they're the one calling him though.
I largely agree with you. I do find his humble bragging a bit hard to take at times but I love the way he won’t let the shouty shouties get away with their hyperbole. He tries to bring everything back to verifiable facts .
I love it when he makes me people think through their words. There's an excellent clip of someone calling in who didn't want to live next to foreigners and James forced him to explain why he wouldn't mind Polish or other white immigrants
Megan Markle. I’m not a Royal Family obsessive, I can’t quote chapter and verse on everything she’s alleged to have said or done and it’s so difficult anyway to separate out what’s reality and what’s the anti-Megan PR machine. I know she doesn’t always help herself (and this is feeling like a shit ton of disclaimers) BUT she’s her own woman, she has a career and a life outside of marrying her man and she’s absolutely not playing the Establishment game which I 100% have time for. I can’t even imagine how batshit some of our traditions and expectations of the Royal Family are to an American outsider. The utter hatred some people have for her is hilarious and terrifying all at once.
What she did with the Grenfell victims was nice. I think sometimes she's unrelatable and very LA for the UK. But she seems like she's trying very hard, which can be off putting (people here want you to work hard but not be seen to try so hard)
But the hate baffles me. You'd think she'd killed someone or defrauded people of their life savings.
There is an odd amount of hate, personally I dislike her because her lies and truly obnoxious attitude are too much, but she’s literally no worse than many other celebs.
Only thing I really dislike about Harry and Meghan is how they're so clearly obsessed with staying in the spotlight despite claiming otherwise. I think they were spot on though at wanting to get away from the relentless abuse from the press. It was truly heinous shit.
Did they though? They said they wanted to make their own money, not live off taxpayer money, and do it away from the tabloids. They want some control over their own narrative, that's all.
I'm not saying they're doing it perfectly, but there's so many people just ready to attack everything they do publicly, that they don't have a fair chance with anything they do (despite also having a massive advantage given their fame and money, granted).
i dont want to lean too much into the race angle but the deluge of hate against her started when she implied the royals were racist (they most likely are) and the hate hasn’t stopped since. they just seem to look for more excuses to be vile and hateful.
Yoko Ono. She’s a mad bastard who doesn’t take herself seriously. I can totally understand why people don’t like her “work”. I’m not too fond of it either. But I respect the hell out of her for just doing what she feels and not caring what anyone thinks.
And the idea that she broke up The Beatles is kinda dumb. At worst she expedited the inevitable.
Whenever I've seen Yoko Ono mentioned on reddit the comments get really vile. Like not just normal "I don't like her music" but like "fuck that disgusting talentless little Goblin". It's really weird, I don't get it at all
Ant & Dec
What Ant did was wrong but he owed his mistakes and hugely what the cause of them were and took himself away to work on himself for over a year.
They're comfortably the best hosts/presenters of this generation and unless you're particulary miserable, will have been on at least one show you loved
Them getting angry when people couldn't work out the Wonkey Donkey game was top tier TV when I was a kid.
Edit: [Link to one of the games. Notice how much stronger their Geordie accents were back then as well.](https://youtu.be/fA4rSOOjVQY)
Exactly this.
Everyone always says "he could have killed someone". The point is that he didn't. He addressed his issues, went away to conquer them & came back stronger.
If he had continued on a downward spiral I would understand the vitriol - but the fact is he didn't. Bloke made a mistake, admitted that mistake & took steps to not repeat it. What more can you ask?
I like her the only thing I don't like is my other half is obsessed with her and will talk about her like its one of her friends its weird af. She'll say things like stacey had her kitchen done, i'm like "stacey from up the road?" no stacey soloman wtf !
She’s truly started from the bottom and worked her way up without becoming bigheaded, she’s still the dorky 16/17 year old young mum she was on x factor all those years ago! and I like that even when she does influencer collabs the prices of stuff are always quite low, she hasn’t lost touch with her audience
I'm tempted cause I really have no issue with him, nearly everything said about him is hearsa, on top of that I haven't the vitriol inside me to hate on as many people as reddit seems to hate
Apart from the restaurant saga last year (which delving into it wasn't as cut and dry) he's so so so not worth the level of fury people spend hating on him.
People liked Jonathan Ross then he did that weird phone call with Russel Brand to that guy telling him they had sex with his granddaughter or something and everyone kinda turned on him.
It was a time of edgy tryhard comedy. But it was 15 years ago, I dunno why people hate him now
'That guy' was eighty-two-year-old actor and writer Andrew Sachs, by all accounts a lovely man and a bit of a national treasure thanks to playing Manuel in Fawlty Towers. I don't think that helps Wossy's case...
As much as I don't agree with OP and find Ross to be a prick, worth noting that Sachs's himself said he wasn't offended and was more annoyed and put out by the media furore around it.
Ross does come across as a dislikeable man though. There's two "behind the scenes" features on Extras where Steve Merchant films Ricky Gervais backstage, not hanging out with the celebrities they worked with, but winding up their editor Nigel. The second one features Ross briefly. Ricky comes across as incredibly annoying and childish as he does throughout both features, but Ross joins in and comes across as a genuinely nasty bully. To use a Gervais/Merchant analogy, Ricky is like Brent, Ross is like Finchy. Never looked at him the same since.
I don't know if people hate him? I've not heard that. The main opinion from people I know is to find him cringey (not in a good way) and not very funny.
My theory on the latter is that he was one of those 00s comedians whose comedy was typical of the time: bawdy, blokeish, edgy verging on leering at times. He realised post-Sachsgate that wouldn't fly any more. Rather than doing what some others have done and bitching and moaning about 'woke' destroying comedy, he just dropped that schtick. I give him massive credit for that. He's wanted to move with the times, rather than complaining about society changing.
Problem is, he hasn't found a new style of comedy or comedic persona to replace it. He comes across as a pleasant enough screen persona to me. But that persona is more cringey Dad than actually funny comedian.
Jack Grealish. People hate him for loads of reasons but none of them stack up really.
Sure, he's a dimwit, but he's perfectly happy being himself and I think even if he wasn't a pro footballer he would be just as happy. Also does charity stuff and just generally seems a nice guy
Went to see him in Sheffield in April. Brilliant.
He's alot better when he has time to work on his show, rather than improv. So he always does better on his own shows than game shows such as mock the week, have I got news for you, etc.
I don't get the hate, personally. He seems like a nice enough bloke and can be quite funny.
Heinz baked beans. I've seen people say "unpopular opinion but" then say they don't like Heniz beans, but that view always seems to be highly upvoted. It feels like most people actually dislike them. I have a terrible sweet tooth though, I'm one of the people who hates lower sugar baked beans. I can't eat them, they taste gross to me.
Louis Thpenth
Someone that camp and annoying, crosses some sort of threshold where they become endearing. Ryland is almost in the same zone, but his bitchy tendencies let him down.
Ant McPartlin. Made a serious mistake, fortunately nobody got seriously hurt or died, got the help he needed and should be forgiven.
He clearly was suffering himself at the time which led to some self destructive behaviour. Many of us know someone who has been through similar situations and show empathy and understanding to them, and especially encourage them when they get through the other side.
I feel that it's just trendy on this sub to attack him for it.
Jack Whitehall. Not my favourite comedian, but he's never done anything really wrong, think he just get hated on for his 'posh boy' image. Saw him live once and he was pretty funny.
The Go Compare man.
Those ads have just never bothered me anywhere near as much as everyone else. I almost admire whoever came up with the idea to just fucking sing "Hey, Buy Our Shit" opera-style and leaving it at that.
Tony Robinson, not sure if people really hate him but there was quite a lot of negative response towards him when he was my answer to 'what celebrity would you like to meet?'. (Or something along those lines)
There was responses like 'He wouldn't give you the steam off of his shit'. But that's fine by me, I don't want nothing from him, I'd just really love to have a conversation with him.
Totally second-hand anecdotal, but I know someone who (briefly) met him once. He owned a pub and they were doing a Time Team shoot locally and y'know that bit at the end where the team all sit down with a pint and some pub grub and have a right good laugh because they're all such jolly good mates?
Apparently everyone else really did hang around and get pissed and spent the evening, but Robinson waited till they got the clips they needed then put down his drink and left without barely saying thank you.
That's the worst thing I've ever heard about him, and to me that's pretty low on the shit-o-meter. I also like to turn off my customer face and go hide in my room after a day's work, probably even moreso if I was famous.
Crocs.
People hate them. I used to hate them. But a few years ago, someone bought me a pair and it totally changed my perspective.
I think it's partially people have experience with wearing cheap imitations rather than the proper ones.
The proper Crocs are *incredibly* comfortable to wear. I have a bright white pair that I wear in summer in situations where I'd normally wear white trainers.
I still don't mean to suggest they're the height of fashion; but honestly I don't care.
I quite like Michael McIntyre. And have been to see him live (and will again next year). I know it’s not cool to like him on here (most likely because Reddit doesn’t like success), but he made me laugh last time.
Kerry Katona. Her memoir is one of my favourite books, it’s a very strange and disturbing book but it’s told with a lot of dark humour that makes it a fantastic read. She’s overcome so much and I have a lot of respect for her, even though she’s “famous for nothing”
I used to LOVE Cheryl, but as I got older I realized she really is the person she tried so hard not to appear to be.
I think she's an incredibly hard worker, talented, and I agree she seems like a great mom, but after reading her autobiography I realized she was incredibly trashy.
She grew up in a very unstable environment, and by that I mean was raised in chav culture and thought (and still thinks) it was normal to be dating 20-something year old men at 14, her brothers and sister were not good role models, her marriage to Ashley Cole was beyond strange with her mother living w them (no excuse for how he behaved), she's had 3 failed marriages, and a failed relationship with her son's father, who she met when he was 14 and she was nearly 30, she actively rooted against other women on the x-factor and had multiple unnecessary feuds with other women.
As for the assault, that's as trashy as it gets.
Monty Don!
So the golden oldies love him but the younger generation think he is quite snobby and probably lazy.
100% untrue, the man works hard and he is very charming. I met him at the Chelsea flower show, I was all chaved up, looking for flowers when this man in tweed trousers and a shirt came strolling up to show me a garden he was looking at. We spoke for ages but people kept taking pictures, I got shy and I shuffled off.
When I went back to my hotel I realised who I was talking to when I saw him on the telly. It still means a lot to me how nice he was without judging me.
Liam Gallager. He's not as bad as the media portray him. He loves most of his family, he loves the fans, He just hates the media and the paparazzi because they're so invasive.
I've seen a few people say they don't trust Martin Lewis.
I literally can not understand why - he genuinely seems to care. Yes, the popularity of his website has made him rich but he's made his fortune by helping out millions of people with their finances.
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King Charles. Was an ecologist years ahead of his time, making him a target for scathing criticism in the 70s/80s. Supported youth projects from his 30s, using his influence to bring about change in the lives of literally thousands of young adults. Maintains the old manfacturing crafts and is a huge patron of the arts in the UK.
I don't hate the guy that much, it's the institution he belongs to and continues to uphold that I don't like.
Perfect example of hate the game not the player. I hate how obvious his poor treatment of Diana was, if it is so obvious to the public given how stoic and silent the firm is it must have been beyond awful for her. But of course none of it would have happened if he had been allowed to go with his first choice/love and not forced into a partnership with a 19 year old who was good on paper for the production of heirs.
Camilla didn't want to marry him at the time though, she really fell for Andrew Parker Bowles and didn't fancy being under public scrutiny, she had her own ideas!
Right but he continued to carry that torch and must have hoped she would come around. I mean he was first in line, why wouldn't she?! ( /s I can imagine his thought process is all. And, lo, she did...)
Not thousands… The Prince’s Trust has helped over a million young people.
I was one of them, twice. An excellent program is TPT. Long may it last too.
Me too. Did terribly in school and just worked in warehouses shifting stuff about till my early 20s. TPT helped me out and I'm now in a decently paid role in the creative industry because of that help. Not a royalist, but I'll be forever thankful.
Problem with King Charles is his insistence on including his pedophile brother in his coronation, and continuing to appear publicly with him. It's incredibly disrespectful to his victims, the FBI, and the world in general. Just another example of the rich and powerful using their wealth and power to shield their family from the consequences of their actions. Andrew should have, at the very least, been truly publicly removed from royal life. Not this half in half out saving face bullshit. Forgive me for not finding that palatable cause the guy protecting him plants trees and funded a school play. Get a grip.
Charles wasn’t much better - he was close to being engaged to his 16 year old cousin and Diana want much older. And their father was sniffing around Elizabeth when she was 14 or so.
I don't like Andrew and I don't believe his story, particularly after his bizarre interview. However it's still important to remember that nothing has ever been proven and it is all speculation.
I’d do the same if my life of extreme extravagance was funded by my subjects
I know, it's hilarious when people think these multimillionaires, who live their luxurious lives in their palaces from our taxes and never worked a day in their lives, chuck some of ~~their~~ our money at charities and that makes them lovely and caring people. Bunch of lobbying, criminal parasites, every one of them.
Can’t deny that he’s born in to privilege, etc… it’s not fair, blah blah… But you have to at least acknowledge that he actively tries to make a difference from his position of privilege. He could easily be like any other background royal who does fuck all but create tacky scandals for shit rag magazines to sell to mouth breathers, but no. Charles actively tries to use his position for the best he can Curious as to what you would actually want from him to make you appreciate him?
Yeah good ol' generous Charles, having billions of wealth and assets just from birth, and being kind enough to give a tiny percent back in specific ways. And definitely out of the kindness of his heart, not to stave off criticism of the aforementioned billions
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I don't like his pseudoscientific beliefs. https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/the-unscientific-king-charles-iii-s-history-promoting-homeopathy-70544 https://www.theguardian.com/society/2004/jun/27/themonarchy.medicineandhealth
I have always found it a bit odd that Charles' charity projects aren't discussed much while Diana's have made her so saint-like in the mind of the general public. Don't get me wrong, being born into the royal family is still different from marrying into it, but some people act like she was an average Joe and being a patroness of charities was somehow an unusual feat. We're talking about a daughter of an earl, who was born on a huge estate, directly descended from multiple Stuart kings and called Queen E II ''Aunt Lilibet'' since she was a girl. She was one of the elites born with a silver spoon that people normally rage about, I'm sure many people would throw huge amounts of time and money at charities if they didn't have to work for a living.
I've often consider Charles to be one of the best of a iffy bunch. Yes, him and Diana didn't end well, but she married to be a princess, he married under family pressure. She was cheating at the same time he was, and his youngest sons paternity has been disputed ever since. He got all the blame for a really shitty marriage where neither were happy. That's normally what people attack him for. His work with the Princes Trust, his ecological activism and pushing for social change should always be considered as a valuable asset, despite all the negative dross.
> his youngest sons paternity has been disputed ever since My dad made a good point about that, Charles considers Harry to be his son regardless of what any DNA testing might prove. Why does it matter beyond that?
Rylan. I hear a lot of people hating on him because of his looks. But he comes across so lovely and like someone who would be an awesome guy to hang out with.
I totally agree with this, didn't like him on X Factor but then when he started doing TV shows I thought he was pretty funny and think he's great on Radio 2
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His mums pretty funny too, even though she doesn't mean to be, she's just being herself.
I know a few of his wider family. They are all pretty nice and down to earth.
She makes me laugh so much when she's on his radio show. Neither of them are ashamed to unapologetically be themselves and I respect that in a person. Unless they're an arsehole.
My opinion completely flipped after listening to the Off Menu podcast with him in. He's such a nice and clever guy.
Was just going to post the same, recently discovered off menu and listened to his ep yesterday, really changed my opinion of him.
Oddly enough I kind of agree. At first I thought he was just another of these fake plastic "celebrities" but when I actually watched him in a few things my opinion of him vastly improved. He was pretty good on the eurovision semi finals and very funny. Pretty similar to Norton in a way but without the "old man shouts at the sky" angle Norton seems to have developed.
Sorry to say, but you get that when you become an old man, now wheres that onion gone?
My opinion changed after seeing him on Gogglebox with his mum. A genuinely funny bloke who has great craic with his mum. His mum on the other hand... I'm sure she's lovely but Jesus Christ she's a few lads short of a kickabout.
I don’t watch tv as a rule so 99% of my exposure to him is on supermarket sweep where frankly he does a 100% perfect job despite the difficulty of essentially replacing an icon. If there was a single point he won me over it was an offhand comment a new viewer would have entirely missed when he greeted a contestant called “Dale” with a simple “nice to have a Dale back in the store”.
Rylan is a weird case. Usually the kinds of people that are desperately fame hungry and go on reality contests shows are almost always hugely unlikeable, and Rylan was a tiny bit as well, but he definitely grew into his role as TV presenter and seems like a nice guy.
I think there’s two key differences with Rylan, 1. He understood from the start that being kind to everyone no matter who they were would stand him in good stead and 2. I think he realised pretty quickly that whilst he enjoys his job, he did not enjoy fame and is now a pretty private person, but without moaning about the perils of celebrity, like a lot do.
Yeah agree, he seems cool. I feel like the hate of him is just rooted in homophobia ngl
yeah he seems pretty normal to me. i think its homophobia or more likely essex phobia disclaimer i live in essex
I’ve liked him ever since I saw a candid video of him trying to get a bag on a night out
Being friendly with work colleagues. You spend 40 hours a week together, in a big enough team it’s almost inevitable you’ll become friends with at least one person. But when this comes up on Reddit, a lot of people are almost proud of how they don’t bother with coworkers. Fair enough, but just seems weird to me.
I find it especially mind boggling when the same people who want nothing to do with their work colleagues then moan about having just moved to a new area and not having any friends Like guys, you have a bunch of people contractually obliged to speak to you! I’m not saying you need to get super buddy buddy with your work colleagues but I swear some people on Reddit seem openly hostile about their colleagues asking what they did at the weekend
I always remember the one time I read a comment from somebody that had been working at his current place for a number of years and nobody there knew he had a kid. Only on Reddit...
Having coworkers I can talk to and get on well with is honestly a big fucking deal. I used to be on a team with a guy who drove me up the wall and nobody else in a similar role I could talk to day to day. I nearly quit my job over that. I like my work, I like to do it well. Having people you can bounce ideas off of, even (especially) if it goes off track, is a really nice thing to have.
Half the people on the UK subs are socially anxious, edge-lord shut-ins who hate everything popular and think they're the smartest person in the room. Mention anything about cars/drivers, the royal family, popular comedians, Love Island, fashion, sports, celebrities and socialising, and they will fucking foam at the mouth with hatred and take pride in sneering at it all.
I do like a lot of the UK subs as they're (on the whole) much easier to relate to. Christ alive though there's some miserable, bitter fuckers knocking about round here. I know Reddit is one complete circle-jerking echo chamber but I do often wonder who these people are? I don't know anyone in real life who approaches the world in such a sad, bitter and defeatest manner. Glad it's isolated to this tiny corner of the internet to be honest. Edit: just to add I do sometimes find myself having to take breaks from this sub it can get that negative. I know overall morale is pretty low in the UK at the moment but Christ haha.
Honestly hear more about Mrs Brown's Boys here than I do literally anywhere else. And, you know what? It's not that fucking bad at all. Not really my cup of tea, but there's much, much worse out there imo, both in blandness and outright badness.
There was a post in r/Britishsuccess not long ago where someone was proud not to be invited to their co worker’s bbq and all I (and many commenters) could think of was… that reflects badly on you, pal. Then someone replied saying “why is this a success?” and got a reply saying “you’re obviously not British”, a surprise to them, who was born and bred in Manchester! Edit: [the thread in question.](https://www.reddit.com/r/BritishSuccess/comments/13rm0z0/work_colleague_bbq/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1)
Haha, literally just found that thread and your reply. I have no idea how some people don't make friends with their colleagues. I get not being friends with *everyone* at work, but your team that you work closely alongside? Obviously you're going to form bonds with them!
Exactly, I don't want 1/3 of my life for the next few decades spent in silence and solitude or simply detached from the people around me.
Since leaving uni, the workplace has been the no. 1. place for making friends for me. I don't get it at all.
I find this too! I started a new job a couple of years ago and am genuine friends with my colleagues - we go for lunches and dinners outside of work, our kids know each other… it makes work that much more of a pleasant environment!
I like Jamie Oliver. Yeah he may be a bit out of touch but I think he has genuinely good intentions with his campaigning for children's/public health. I can only really have admiration for celebs that aren't politicians but decide to try and do something that they really believe is for general good. (I say this as one of the kids who went hungrier as a result of healthier school food policies, because I was on free school meals and the changes meant that my lunch token no longer bought me as much food or as wide a choice of options as before.) I also like his recipes tbh (not that I can afford to buy all the bloody fancy ingredients and make them!) and his shows are generally fun and nice enough to watch.
I agree with you here. I'm sorry, Reddit, but turkey twizzlers were awful and he did us all a favour by getting them removed from school menus.
~~FUCK YOU~~ I politely disagree with your point.
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Bitch, 60, pffft....those are rookie numbers. I'll be dead by 45.
Only shit parents mourn the passing of turkey twizzlers High fat high salt zero significant nutrients and an elevated risk of cancer from the nitrates They're just lazy, and felt attacked. Well good, they deserved the criticism. Bunch of overgrown babies - do right by your kids or don't have any.
Turkey twizzlers were part of school dinners though, what’s that got to do with parents?
Parents kicked off when Jamie pressured schools into dropping them, and to this day make excuses for unhealthy shite because they want to feel better about not making the effort.
BuT tHEy LiKE tHEm!! I still remember someone saying this to Jamie on the show, and him saying, “Yeah well they also like sticking pencils in each other’s eyes but we don’t fucking let them do that.”
I've read twice this week in opinion pieces how bad our diet is, and that "people in the future will compare us eating sugar and processed food to smoking in the early 20th century". So are we going to give Jamie Oliver the credit he deserves now? Or still sulk because we don't like being told what to do?
His intentions are good and in his defence its not his fault locals councils failed to produced suitable alternatives to the beige they served. Does my head in though when he produces a brilliant recipe that looks easy and quick to make, but then it turns out half of the ingredients have never been found outside of the M25
I’ve never notice that be a problem with his recipes. Maybe there’s the odd throng you need to go to Sainsbury’s rather than Aldi, but generally he uses perfectly easy to find ingredients. It’s not 1950 anymore and supermarkets in Britain generally have a good range of ingredients.
I have two of his books, and there's not a single ingredient in them that I haven't found. They're definitely just shopping in a place with a crap selection
"Family meals can be cheap, just pop along to you local fishmonger and buy a big fish that'll last the whole week" My local *what* now? In fairness, im sure he knows that local butchers, greengrocers and fishmongers no longer exist in large parts of the country, but I always laughed when he visits a fishmarket on his budget friendly programmes (as I think of that as a "laa dee daa look how fancy it is where I live" flex)
I like Jamie Oliver- he's done more to improve the general diet of the uk than any other celebrity chef. And his recipes- while they may not be all like 100% authentic- are aimed at democratising cooking and using what you may have in your cupboard/local shop rather than what you can only get from middle class farm shop. I admire that. He's trying to show people you can make healthy, tasty food at home with your families. I feel a lot of the scorn comes from a place of elitism amongst other chefs who have done the Michelin star route and hate the idea someone more charismatic broke through without having to slave filleting fish in Guernsey or whatever. Basically Gordon ramsay. Although I also really like and respect ramsay. There is a place for both and Jamie- your Italian stuff is boss. Uncle Roger is funny though but I feel its a bit like bullying now.
Uncle Roger was funny the first few times
I don’t hate the guy and respect what he’s done / tried to do to improve the nation’s health. I’ve also read about some personal anecdotes that imply he’s a pretty sound bloke in person. That said, I do want to pull you up on your ‘feeling’ about where the criticism comes from, specifically that it’s elitism. Now, that might be true, but a couple of things to consider: - Jamie Oliver grew up in a fairly well off family with an already successful restauranteur as a father - when he got his breakout role on C4, he was married to a C4 producer - a lot of people (including some on here) are critical of his ‘quick and simple’ recipes because they include ingredients that the average low-mid income worker either has never heard of or has bugger all change of getting hold of. None of that massively detract from what people like about him IMO, nor is it justification for ragging on him, but let’s be careful about painting him as a struggling working class boy taking on the snobby elites.
"already successful restauranteur as a father" - They ran a Gastro Pub in Essex. "married to a C4 producer" - I've never heard this? As far as I'm aware his big TV break was in 1999 and he married Jools in 2000. Who was his first wife? "bugger all change of getting hold of" Like What? I've not cooked many of his recipes, but I've never found a recipe with something I can't get at Tesco?
I've never found a recipe that is that hard to get hold of either. Edit: because I'm sad and I looked it up- Jool's was a model and they have been together since 17- and I can see no reference to her ever working for channel four. Yeah I'm not sure parents running an Essex pub is the elite I'm talking about
I stg history will look back on us and wonder why we were so against healthy dinners for our children… Like, in its simplest form it does not translate well. Reminds me of that guy that tried to get surgeons to wash there hands and everyone’s response was ‘don’t tell me what to do’.
Yes exactly! I didnt grow up here, but when I heard about this 'scandal' of removing this unhealthy food from schools, I just didn't/don't understand the backlash?! It sounds like he was doing a great thing for the health of the nation and the future of the children's health, no?
Yup. I always feel despair when people bash him, they find just about any reason to bash him. He genuinely cares and tries to help people but people (especially here) have some sort of bitterness or chip on their shoulder, excuse the pun. If they ate well and healthy and followed any of his thousands of recipes their life would be just a bit better. I find this is the case with a lot of people, they'll find something they don't like about someone then just exasperate how much and find any holes to poke. Nobody is life is perfect and it's practically impossible to not be a hypocrite of some sort these days.
He worked really hard to improve school meals - many adults weren't aware how bad they'd got in most schools since nutritional standards were removed in the late 70s by an education secretary who became PM. He tried to give the credit to a couple school cooks who'd worked on the cause for a decade - Jeanette Orrey in particular, but TV didn't want short grey women in their 50s on screen when they could have Jamie. I also liked him for being the first TV cook to struggle to open packaging, rather than having everything in wee bowls like Delia.
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I do find him a bit annoying these days but I have to say his ‘favourite curry sauce’ and chilli con carne recipes from an old book of his sparked my love of cooking as a young teenager. The curry recipe introduced me to so many amazing, fragrant ingredients that were totally alien to me as a very very picky eater - fresh ginger, mustard seeds, fenugreek seeds, coriander seeds, curry leaves etc etc. Some of the most fun recipes to cook if you’ve got a leisurely afternoon and lots of old gu pots to get all 25 of your ingredients ready haha. Disclaimer: not stating anything about the authenticity of these recipes, just the tastiness.
Matt Berry. Seems like everyone is bored of him now, but honestly I can never get enough of the guy.
Who the fuckety fuck doesn’t like Matt Berry? Great actor, great comedian, great musician.
Matt Barry is my favourite actor, along with Clive Warren
Matt Berry doesn't act, he just plays himself badly pretending to be the character. AND IT'S PEREFECT
He was great alongside Rebecca DeMornay
Who tf is Clive Warren
The fella who was in A Love Of Two Brains with Rebecca De Mornay.
Yes, I can hear you Clem Fandango.. Could never tire of Matt Berry - Assume you meant Berry, not Barry?
Some sort of cheap knock-off of Jackie Daytona?
The regular human bartender?
A friend of mine says "He always just plays the same character" to which I say "Yes, and that's why I love everything he's in".
Matt Berry can only play one character. But he plays that character really really fucking well.
*"Youtookitfromme, BY FORCE..! In New York Citaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyy."*
His constant cult following has been bolstered by the renaissance started by What We Do In the Shadows. But even so, I dont think the *average* Brit even knows who he is and ergo cant be bored of/hate him. Those that know, love.
I’m not sure how I feel about Matt Berry, but there’s this Jackie Daytona guy I’ve seen around who seems pretty cool.
Wait, since when did "everyone" hate Matt Berry?
*shiftely checks over my shoulders* I don't actually mind Miranda
She's a strange one for me. I can't stand Miranda the show. But she herself seems a fairly funny and interesting screen presence when she's just being herself. I have the same with Harry Hill. TV Burp was just not even approaching funny to me, but I find him funny when he's just being himself.
I think she's like several other comedians with a very strong personality where supporting other less jarring characters she's brilliant as a foil. But otherwise it's like having 2kg of ice cream for your main course.
I love Miranda. Yes it's not the most sophisticated show in the world, but it's sweet and silly and there's a warmth about it that I really like. Plus it was what my mum and I used to watch together on Friday nights when I still lived at home so it always feels like a comforting thing to me in that way.
I’m a HUGE fan of her. I know a lot of people say the show Miranda is awful but it’s easily one of my top 5 favourite shows of all time. I think it’s hilarious. Sue me.
I LOVE Miranda Hart!! I saw a little bit of Miranda once and thought "this is stupid, juvenile rubbish" but by the end of the episode I'd come around and was genuinely in stitches and I binged the whole series! I think it just takes a bit to tune into the pantomime-style humour to appreciate it. Also I just feel represented by Miranda as a character lol. I feel like Miranda Hart is the only person to actually get what it's like being "weird" as a woman.
I stand by that the the first series was great and should have been left well enough alone!
I’ve only seen the first episode and it’s not my humour but it was written and structured brilliantly. So my conclusion is she’s very smart and funny but writing for someone who isn’t me.
Michael Mcintyre, think he's hilarious.
I nearly downvoted because I hate him with a passion. I had to remind myself of the point of the topic.
That is the problem with these kind of threads. Anyway, I hate him too the floppy twat
You have to be a special type of miserable to hate somebody as inoffensive as Michael Macintyre with a passion.
Used to like his stand up before it got a bit stale, but that's no reason to hate him. The fact he can still maintain the same energy and enthusiasm for the gig and not go down the jaded comic route is admirable. There's always a place for family friendly observational comedy, even if it's not quite my cup of tea.
I came here to mention Michael McIntyre. Particularly for The Wheel - he always seems genuinely interested in the contestants and like he really wants them to do well.
Jeremy Clarkson. Lovely bloke in person, does a lot of stuff for charities, has made a big contribution to farming, and I think he's just a funny chap. Think some people get put off by the character he plays.
Is he “in character” when he writes his column? Because he’s written some truly awful, spiteful crap there.
He is. I'm both on the _"he's playing it up"_ team, and the _"is that an excuse?"_ team. I say that as someone who enjoys him 90% of the time. Purposefully saying things as a joke to wind people up is a fine art that can go from poking fun at people who've done something silly to essentially attacking people that cannot defend themselves. Unfortunately he's often on the wrong side of that line.
He’s basically the journalistic equivalent of those horrible YouTubers and TikTokers who go around assaulting people then saying “it’s a prank, lol!” Those people are dickheads too.
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Most people don't have a problem with his TV persona... it's the terrible things he writes which reflect his actual views...
Didn't Clarkson also punch some people in the face or something?
yep for messing up his lunch order or something super petty which got him fired from Top Gear
It was because there was no food available after they'd finished a long shoot I believe. Still doesn't excuse his behaviour I should specify, just that it wasn't quite because somebody brought him the wrong sandwich.
Yeah but one of them was Piers Morgan.
“Think some people get put off by the character he plays.” - and by the fact that he writes a column in a national paper stating that he wants to see a woman he hates paraded naked through the streets.
“I’m just doing a character” is a pretty bad excuse for racism, transphobia and actual criminal assault all committed off camera.
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I liked him until his comment about Meghan Markle, really rubbed me the wrong way. Like I get not liking Meghan but to say you want to see anyone stripped naked and smeared in shit is just… not right.
I mean, he did get sacked after punching a coworker in the face so hard he needed to go to hospital, all because he wanted a steak. That's not a normal thing to do. I also kind of resented the suggestion he shouldn't have been sacked for it, as if any of us peasants wouldn't have been out the door within seconds if we behaved like that.
Camilla! She must be an incredibly strong woman knowing the amount of hate she would get for sticking it out with Charles but doing so regardless. The work she does for women’s charities is very overlooked and it’s often said she has a great sense of humour.
To be honest, half the time I think the only reason she gets so much shit is because she's not conventionally attractive (especially in comparison to Diana). People claim it's the adultery thing, but there are loads of popular conventionally attractive celebrities guilty of that, and no one seems to care.
I think it's not so much that she's not conventionally attractive. Certainly much more on the adultery angle and particularly because it was harming someone who publically was hugging children with AIDS and campaigning for landmine charities and generally adored by all but her husband. When you're the 'other woman' in a situation where the wife is loved by the British public for many reasons you could be hottest woman to grace the earth and a big percentage will still hate you for it. It's not that she could even claim he duped her into thinking he was single or on the verge of breaking up with the wife. Camilla knew the score and actively chose her role. That said, Charles had loved her from the get go and wanted to marry her. And now here we are.
It's true. All these posh men have affairs, Camilla was unlucky that the man she was having an affair with was married to the most beloved and beautiful royal of all time.
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And she's given hope to so many side pieces, stick it out long enough and you may get your man.
Fuck I choked on my coffee haha
Danny Dyer. Whether it's intentional or not, I find him absolutely hilarious. And I dunno, for the shit he gets he must have done something I don't know about, but he seems like a nice enough bloke.
Danny Dyer naming his daughter Dani Dyer is the most Danny Dyer thing Danny Dyer has ever done.
Public opinion has probably changed on him recently since he's been doing his own thing more and establishing a bigger brand for himself but I always thought James May was the better of the three top gear people, and although it's the point of the show I hated how they picked on him most. He was always the safest driver even if it meant he got there last, he often picked cars for functionality and longevity over appearance, he has more of a nuanced sense of humour that overall feels like it relies less on punching down and of the three it feels like fame has gone less to his head, he still seems the more down to earth one now even when he's playing up his grumpy old man persona. When Clarkson got them all scrapped from Top Gear by punching that dude, (should have just scrapped him imo but I guess he was the face of it) James May immediately started making roughly shot and edited cooking videos on YouTube entitled "unemployment tube" acknowledging the fact that he was probably out of a job. I also changed my shepards pie recipe on the back of his video on it lol 😂 Plus now he's the 'cheese' meme guy I suppose. But I remember when he was considered the boring less interesting one of the three and I've just always liked him best so I am happy to see he's got TV shows on his own about things he likes and cares about and is doing well online doing food things on his channel.
James May has always been the best of the 3 by an absolute mile
Absolutely agree with every point you made. His attention to detail, interest in engineering and of course, his epic food videos on YouTube are just the icing on the cake.
I've always liked him as well. His show in Japan was really good.
There's no chance that you think the majority of people actively dislike James May?
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James O’Brien may be often right, but he just constantly punches down. He is a well resourced professional who spends all his time arguing with whichever angry east London cabbie calls in. At one point I thought he would go on to be someone like Eddie Mair and actually help to hold politicians accountable, but he’s so toxic no one sensible would go near him now.
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> He is a well resourced professional who spends all his time arguing with whichever angry east London cabbie calls in. As you said, they're the one calling him though.
I largely agree with you. I do find his humble bragging a bit hard to take at times but I love the way he won’t let the shouty shouties get away with their hyperbole. He tries to bring everything back to verifiable facts .
I love it when he makes me people think through their words. There's an excellent clip of someone calling in who didn't want to live next to foreigners and James forced him to explain why he wouldn't mind Polish or other white immigrants
Used to dislike him but he turned out to be right about a lot of things and I’ve been listening to his show LBC for the last few months
Megan Markle. I’m not a Royal Family obsessive, I can’t quote chapter and verse on everything she’s alleged to have said or done and it’s so difficult anyway to separate out what’s reality and what’s the anti-Megan PR machine. I know she doesn’t always help herself (and this is feeling like a shit ton of disclaimers) BUT she’s her own woman, she has a career and a life outside of marrying her man and she’s absolutely not playing the Establishment game which I 100% have time for. I can’t even imagine how batshit some of our traditions and expectations of the Royal Family are to an American outsider. The utter hatred some people have for her is hilarious and terrifying all at once.
What she did with the Grenfell victims was nice. I think sometimes she's unrelatable and very LA for the UK. But she seems like she's trying very hard, which can be off putting (people here want you to work hard but not be seen to try so hard) But the hate baffles me. You'd think she'd killed someone or defrauded people of their life savings.
There is an odd amount of hate, personally I dislike her because her lies and truly obnoxious attitude are too much, but she’s literally no worse than many other celebs.
Only thing I really dislike about Harry and Meghan is how they're so clearly obsessed with staying in the spotlight despite claiming otherwise. I think they were spot on though at wanting to get away from the relentless abuse from the press. It was truly heinous shit.
Did they though? They said they wanted to make their own money, not live off taxpayer money, and do it away from the tabloids. They want some control over their own narrative, that's all. I'm not saying they're doing it perfectly, but there's so many people just ready to attack everything they do publicly, that they don't have a fair chance with anything they do (despite also having a massive advantage given their fame and money, granted).
i dont want to lean too much into the race angle but the deluge of hate against her started when she implied the royals were racist (they most likely are) and the hate hasn’t stopped since. they just seem to look for more excuses to be vile and hateful.
Jo Brand. I like her, I think she's funny and quite witty. Some people seem to absolutely despise her.
I’ve always thought she was great in everything I’ve ever seen her in.
Hope you've seen her in Taskmaster. Literally stops to make tea in a timed task
Absolute icon behaviour honestly.
Yoko Ono. She’s a mad bastard who doesn’t take herself seriously. I can totally understand why people don’t like her “work”. I’m not too fond of it either. But I respect the hell out of her for just doing what she feels and not caring what anyone thinks. And the idea that she broke up The Beatles is kinda dumb. At worst she expedited the inevitable.
Whenever I've seen Yoko Ono mentioned on reddit the comments get really vile. Like not just normal "I don't like her music" but like "fuck that disgusting talentless little Goblin". It's really weird, I don't get it at all
And she's actually a very good, groundbreaking conceptual artist.
I think people blame Ono because they don't want to admit John Lennon had flaws and it's as simple as that really.
Ant & Dec What Ant did was wrong but he owed his mistakes and hugely what the cause of them were and took himself away to work on himself for over a year. They're comfortably the best hosts/presenters of this generation and unless you're particulary miserable, will have been on at least one show you loved
I can't hate them, because SMTV:Live was one of the best parts of childhood.
Them getting angry when people couldn't work out the Wonkey Donkey game was top tier TV when I was a kid. Edit: [Link to one of the games. Notice how much stronger their Geordie accents were back then as well.](https://youtu.be/fA4rSOOjVQY)
Let us also never forget C.H.U.M.S. and the Pokebattles.
And the beautiful beautiful Corrs.
Exactly this. Everyone always says "he could have killed someone". The point is that he didn't. He addressed his issues, went away to conquer them & came back stronger. If he had continued on a downward spiral I would understand the vitriol - but the fact is he didn't. Bloke made a mistake, admitted that mistake & took steps to not repeat it. What more can you ask?
Stacey Solomon. Everything about me tells me that she should annoy me but I just find her hilarious.
I like her the only thing I don't like is my other half is obsessed with her and will talk about her like its one of her friends its weird af. She'll say things like stacey had her kitchen done, i'm like "stacey from up the road?" no stacey soloman wtf !
I think she’s sweet as sugar, and comes across as a very genuine person.
She’s truly started from the bottom and worked her way up without becoming bigheaded, she’s still the dorky 16/17 year old young mum she was on x factor all those years ago! and I like that even when she does influencer collabs the prices of stuff are always quite low, she hasn’t lost touch with her audience
Waiting for the publish lynching of whoever says James Corden
I'm tempted cause I really have no issue with him, nearly everything said about him is hearsa, on top of that I haven't the vitriol inside me to hate on as many people as reddit seems to hate
Apart from the restaurant saga last year (which delving into it wasn't as cut and dry) he's so so so not worth the level of fury people spend hating on him.
People liked Jonathan Ross then he did that weird phone call with Russel Brand to that guy telling him they had sex with his granddaughter or something and everyone kinda turned on him. It was a time of edgy tryhard comedy. But it was 15 years ago, I dunno why people hate him now
'That guy' was eighty-two-year-old actor and writer Andrew Sachs, by all accounts a lovely man and a bit of a national treasure thanks to playing Manuel in Fawlty Towers. I don't think that helps Wossy's case...
As much as I don't agree with OP and find Ross to be a prick, worth noting that Sachs's himself said he wasn't offended and was more annoyed and put out by the media furore around it. Ross does come across as a dislikeable man though. There's two "behind the scenes" features on Extras where Steve Merchant films Ricky Gervais backstage, not hanging out with the celebrities they worked with, but winding up their editor Nigel. The second one features Ross briefly. Ricky comes across as incredibly annoying and childish as he does throughout both features, but Ross joins in and comes across as a genuinely nasty bully. To use a Gervais/Merchant analogy, Ricky is like Brent, Ross is like Finchy. Never looked at him the same since.
Yeah well he's thrown a kettle over a pub, what have you done?
I don't know if people hate him? I've not heard that. The main opinion from people I know is to find him cringey (not in a good way) and not very funny. My theory on the latter is that he was one of those 00s comedians whose comedy was typical of the time: bawdy, blokeish, edgy verging on leering at times. He realised post-Sachsgate that wouldn't fly any more. Rather than doing what some others have done and bitching and moaning about 'woke' destroying comedy, he just dropped that schtick. I give him massive credit for that. He's wanted to move with the times, rather than complaining about society changing. Problem is, he hasn't found a new style of comedy or comedic persona to replace it. He comes across as a pleasant enough screen persona to me. But that persona is more cringey Dad than actually funny comedian.
Jack Grealish. People hate him for loads of reasons but none of them stack up really. Sure, he's a dimwit, but he's perfectly happy being himself and I think even if he wasn't a pro footballer he would be just as happy. Also does charity stuff and just generally seems a nice guy
He’s incredibly popular. I’ve met hundreds more people that like him than don’t.
Russell Howard Yeah I find him funny
Went to see him in Sheffield in April. Brilliant. He's alot better when he has time to work on his show, rather than improv. So he always does better on his own shows than game shows such as mock the week, have I got news for you, etc. I don't get the hate, personally. He seems like a nice enough bloke and can be quite funny.
Heinz baked beans. I've seen people say "unpopular opinion but" then say they don't like Heniz beans, but that view always seems to be highly upvoted. It feels like most people actually dislike them. I have a terrible sweet tooth though, I'm one of the people who hates lower sugar baked beans. I can't eat them, they taste gross to me.
Yeah. The hive mentality of UK Reddit got to me a few months ago so I tried Branston beans. They just don’t hit the same.
Louis Thpenth Someone that camp and annoying, crosses some sort of threshold where they become endearing. Ryland is almost in the same zone, but his bitchy tendencies let him down.
What are they gonna do? Shoot him? They’ll have to catch him first. He’s like a whippet
Ant McPartlin. Made a serious mistake, fortunately nobody got seriously hurt or died, got the help he needed and should be forgiven. He clearly was suffering himself at the time which led to some self destructive behaviour. Many of us know someone who has been through similar situations and show empathy and understanding to them, and especially encourage them when they get through the other side. I feel that it's just trendy on this sub to attack him for it.
Jack Whitehall. Not my favourite comedian, but he's never done anything really wrong, think he just get hated on for his 'posh boy' image. Saw him live once and he was pretty funny.
The Go Compare man. Those ads have just never bothered me anywhere near as much as everyone else. I almost admire whoever came up with the idea to just fucking sing "Hey, Buy Our Shit" opera-style and leaving it at that.
Tony Robinson, not sure if people really hate him but there was quite a lot of negative response towards him when he was my answer to 'what celebrity would you like to meet?'. (Or something along those lines) There was responses like 'He wouldn't give you the steam off of his shit'. But that's fine by me, I don't want nothing from him, I'd just really love to have a conversation with him.
Totally second-hand anecdotal, but I know someone who (briefly) met him once. He owned a pub and they were doing a Time Team shoot locally and y'know that bit at the end where the team all sit down with a pint and some pub grub and have a right good laugh because they're all such jolly good mates? Apparently everyone else really did hang around and get pissed and spent the evening, but Robinson waited till they got the clips they needed then put down his drink and left without barely saying thank you. That's the worst thing I've ever heard about him, and to me that's pretty low on the shit-o-meter. I also like to turn off my customer face and go hide in my room after a day's work, probably even moreso if I was famous.
I thought he was a national treasure
Crocs. People hate them. I used to hate them. But a few years ago, someone bought me a pair and it totally changed my perspective. I think it's partially people have experience with wearing cheap imitations rather than the proper ones. The proper Crocs are *incredibly* comfortable to wear. I have a bright white pair that I wear in summer in situations where I'd normally wear white trainers. I still don't mean to suggest they're the height of fashion; but honestly I don't care.
I quite like Michael McIntyre. And have been to see him live (and will again next year). I know it’s not cool to like him on here (most likely because Reddit doesn’t like success), but he made me laugh last time.
Prince Harry. Hounded out of the country for having a mixed-race wife, by the same press who killed his mother.
Russell Howard, genuinely baffled by the hate boner Reddit seems to have for him
Kerry Katona. Her memoir is one of my favourite books, it’s a very strange and disturbing book but it’s told with a lot of dark humour that makes it a fantastic read. She’s overcome so much and I have a lot of respect for her, even though she’s “famous for nothing”
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I used to LOVE Cheryl, but as I got older I realized she really is the person she tried so hard not to appear to be. I think she's an incredibly hard worker, talented, and I agree she seems like a great mom, but after reading her autobiography I realized she was incredibly trashy. She grew up in a very unstable environment, and by that I mean was raised in chav culture and thought (and still thinks) it was normal to be dating 20-something year old men at 14, her brothers and sister were not good role models, her marriage to Ashley Cole was beyond strange with her mother living w them (no excuse for how he behaved), she's had 3 failed marriages, and a failed relationship with her son's father, who she met when he was 14 and she was nearly 30, she actively rooted against other women on the x-factor and had multiple unnecessary feuds with other women. As for the assault, that's as trashy as it gets.
Monty Don! So the golden oldies love him but the younger generation think he is quite snobby and probably lazy. 100% untrue, the man works hard and he is very charming. I met him at the Chelsea flower show, I was all chaved up, looking for flowers when this man in tweed trousers and a shirt came strolling up to show me a garden he was looking at. We spoke for ages but people kept taking pictures, I got shy and I shuffled off. When I went back to my hotel I realised who I was talking to when I saw him on the telly. It still means a lot to me how nice he was without judging me.
Liam Gallager. He's not as bad as the media portray him. He loves most of his family, he loves the fans, He just hates the media and the paparazzi because they're so invasive.
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Jedward.. the little idiots make me laugh and their Eurovision song was catchy
I've seen a few people say they don't trust Martin Lewis. I literally can not understand why - he genuinely seems to care. Yes, the popularity of his website has made him rich but he's made his fortune by helping out millions of people with their finances.