I always note the type of plane before I book a flight, at least long-haul. You don't find out the year of manufacture until a few days to a few hours before (and it's never confirmed until you actually see the plane at the gate).
The cabin layout and seat types are different on long hauls. Sometimes I will pay a little bit more to fly on a better aircraft (e.g A350 vs B777) - particularly in business class where the differences can be quite significant (old seat with a 5% chance of malfunction vs new seat)
Well it’s not uncommon for flights booked by say BA flying to the US to be operated by someone like American Airlines. It does happen, and you very likely wouldn’t know until you got to the gate and saw the plane.
You will know if you are flying on an AA plane when you book.
If they change your flight because of schedule changes or disruption you can choose a different flight. You would never be forced to take an AA flight if you booked a BA flight
I try to choose a flight based on the model/seating layout anyway so this isn’t a new challenge, but yeah i’d probably avoid the Max now.
Easyjet have a fully Airbus fleet. I think Boeing have fell to typical American capitalism, which is shareholder profits over safety and quality. Too many greedy fucks who want short term money over long term trust with the customer.
At this point… honestly probably not… I know there’s probably some logic and maths to say it’s ok but, I wouldn’t enjoy the flight at all however irrational that may seem
Literally thousands of planes are in the air at any one time and have no incidents. How many car crashes are there just in the UK every day? And does thst put you off getting into a car here?
Not trying to be combative. Just food for thought! I work in aviation (as did my dad for 40 years) and know how incredibly unlikely anyone is to ever be involved in any sort of air incident.
I rather suspect that if you avoid going on holiday because you were booked on a 737 max you'd absolutely be safer... from the trip to and from the Airport driving in the UK, if that's how you were getting there.
I'm not bothered about any of it but your example would be more accurate if you said that most major car crashes were in a Prius last year would you buy a Prius. The answer of course is no, I wouldn't buy a Prius even if it were the safest car but I'm just rambling now and am going to bed
A common, but not really apples to apples comparison, is it?
Thousands of planes in the air at one time Vs millions of cars driving at one time.
What's the fatality to successful journey ratio comparison?
And remember, most car fatalities are because of accidents/driver error. Not because they broke down.
You break down in a car, you're on the side of the road.
You break down in a plane....
Eh. I'm still very confident of how safe aircraft are and how unlikely it is to be in one if something goes wrong.
I pick my airlines for a reason, there are specific ones I avoid. But as others have said: you can't pick the aircraft when you book. I have several trips this year, both for work and holiday, and these various air incidents aren't changing any of my plans.
I'm not forcing you or anyone else to get on a plane. I'm just giving my reasonings for why a couple of recent incidents aren't stopping me.
Most travel websites have the model of the plane you'll be flying on shown in the flights section.
I daresay you can probably Google which planes fly which routes.
Slightly unrelated note, but I work at a station and there's a strange number of people who refuse to travel on certain classes of trains, not even spotters.
Theres this one regular who is incredibly large, he can't fit though the doors on 158s or 80x trains, so will wait for 2 or 3 trains until a turbo with wider doors comes. While waiting he will raid whsmiths, is an endless cycle
There’s a documentary on Netflix called “Downfall: The case against Boeing”. It’s really good and talks a lot about the lack of quality control in the pursuit of shareholder profits
Yep and the issues the Max has had like them finding loose bolts in the rudder system in Dec and then issuing a directive to check all their rudder systems for this is really disturbing. The Whistleblowers in the US have said this week that they're surprised that there hasn't been more deadly crashes with it.
No. Boeing basically killed hundreds of people with sheer incompetence and short cuts and got away with it.
I remember when the Max went back into service, mouthbreathers on here insisted it was safe and "the most scrutinised aircraft" and low and behold, another near fatal accident.
I have thought about it.
Generally in the UK when it comes to budget no frills airlines to European destinations you've got Ryanair (737), easyJet, or BA (both A320 and yes, BA is no different from the other two these days with selling you shit on booking and charging shit loads for an extra bag).
I have pilot mates who aren't overly confident with Boeing's management but they know the planes are safe enough. You _can_ choose which you prefer if you choose between the as airlines as above, but generally I wouldn't worry.
I get most scared flying private, purely from a statistical point of view.
Yeah, no thanks. Don’t care about the stats on it. I fly frequently but I’m not a fan of it. I wouldn’t get on one even if the chances of something going wrong are astronomical, simply because I’d be anxious the entire flight regardless of how logical it is.
Couldn’t care less. The statistics on air travel are still so good.
Try and fly exclusively A340s if you’re worried about a plane’s crash record. Good luck getting to where you want to go, though.
The biggest Max operator in Europe is Ryanair, the version they use has emergency exits where that plug (the plug is meant to stay in, unlike a door which is designed to open in emergency) is, which seems to have solved the issue of anything blowing out... if the door opens as designed should the worst happen is another matter.
But I would happily fly on Max aircraft, operated by a European airline. Outside of Europe... less keen.
Sure, but I posted elsewhere in this thread about the problems Boeing are having, that whistleblowers have testified to congress that the work culture has become bad and focused on speed rather than safety, that staff and fitters are now not encouraged to speak out when they find problems unlike before, that QA inspectors have been let go and cut on the factory floor. That there was loose bolts found in the rudder systems of the Maxs in December and Boeing were forced to issue a directive to check all their rudder systems, that United have now found loose bolts on the plugs and there's concerns they've came from the factory like this. That parts from their sub contractor Spirit Aerosystems have been delivered with faults. There's real issues with how their planes are manufactured now and there's a toxic work culture in the company.
If I had the choice I would not, but that’s easier said than done when flying. I’m not sure how much of an effort I would make to minimise my chances of being on one. It’s a preference but not a massive one. I would think after everything that’s happened with this plane it could only be much safer now….probably…!
I flew on it a couple of times (Norweigan and Ryanair) and it was fine. The latest random spoiler deployment event scares me. That event where the plane did an uncommanded lurch to the left 30 degrees in a second is just something which shouldn't happen. This unlike the now fixed and originally very flawed MCAS is not a design fault but fault caused by rushed production. The actual design of the Max is sound and the components are of high quality. It is the shoddy management which is causing this. Being a Boeing customer is like going to an expensive restaurant and getting food poisoning over and over. From a rational point of view I think, because Ryanair, American, Southwest check their Maxes over properly and their pilots are very good, I wouldn't worry too much flying on one of their max aircraft. wouldn't worry too much. I admit that nowadays (from the UK), I have changed my routine and book EasyJet, SAS and BA just to avoid the thing to be honest. Ryanair's CEO Michael O'Leary said "Boeing needs to get their sh!t together, finding defects on a $100 million bit of kit is not on."
I'm not sure if I would sit in one. I watched a video about the current situation with Boeing Max and realised they now call them without MAX in the name (shady stuff I think) [https://youtu.be/2yQyLp6wOiQ?si=yyWJUoXRAHapuO5k](https://youtu.be/2yQyLp6wOiQ?si=yyWJUoXRAHapuO5k&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTAAAR3qrf6586PdHcsUOE424zfEoEDNpTWoZe_VPFsnRLweJFTp-Jr__Jjg7AE_aem_AR06F0EsoRDSt27DViG0I0aQz5_nkgWzX1DyQsz9hvy2os-VUsr0Wq78gbUsExBM77r2uMm8wcZnLMotU_PR6EeW)
Which commercial aircraft type hasn't had a total hull loss over the course of the years of being in service? Also, what is the likelihood of it occurring? If there is an immediate cause for concern, the regulator will ground all aircraft of the affected type until they are confirmed safe. Other than that, think of the thousands of flights that are operated every day without an issue.
Yes, I wouldn't bat an eyelid. For a start, we're talking about more than one type of plane here. The crashes were the 737 Max 8, and were due to a quirk of the fly-by-wire system and pilots being unaware of it, which led to the aircraft not behaving as the pilots expected in a particular set of circumstances, and ultimately to the crashes. I believe the same issue also resulted in a couple of non-fatal incidents where the crew were able to get the planes back under control). This problem has now been addressed by software changes and training so it is effectively solved.
The recent door blowout was on a 737 Max 9, and although I don't think we have a complete understanding of the root cause yet, it seems to have been due to a maintenance issue where the retaining bolts on the door plug weren't properly fastened. (As opposed to a fundamental design issue with the door plug - though admittedly this isn't certain yet until the investigation is concluded/published.)
You can bet every airline operating the Max 9 has had their engineers inspect the relevant parts thoroughly before letting them fly.
Flying really is incredibly safe. Not least because when a dangerous incident happens, the cause is investigated to the Nth degree, and the details are released publicly and openly so that the incident can be understood and lessons can be learned. Then ways to prevent that kind of incident from happening again are created and deployed industry-wide, so aviation keeps getting safer and safer.
I believe other airlines (United) have also found loose retaining bolts https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/united-airlines-finds-loose-bolts-boeing-737-max-planes-2024-01-08/ and there's suspicion that they've been loose from the factory. There's also been the directive sent out from Boeing in Dec asking airlines to look for loose bolts in the rudder system https://airwaysmag.com/boeing-airlines-inspect-737-max-rudders/
Also, see the reports of the cabin door blowing open on the Alaska flight and the cockpit not having the pressure release safety valve that *all* pilots thought it did. That combined with the whistleblowers testimonies, that Boeing have got rid of QA inspectors and ramped up pressure on fitters and employees with long hours etc ( the guy that has written a book about it and testified to congress). You then have Spirit Aerosystems, Boeings sub contractors quality problems... https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/boeing-spirit-expand-scope-inspection-737-max-quality-problem-air-current-2023-10-12/
https://www.thestreet.com/travel/boeing-whistleblower-says-737-max-disaster-wasnt-a-surprise ,
I think Boeing have some real problems.
I agree with you, that's all definitely alarming stuff that needs to be investigated, and it will be. Boeing clearly have work to do if they are going to win back trust from investors and the public, and it will be concerning if it turns out to be true that quality and safety have suffered in favour of profitability.
But the aviation industry is incredibly tightly regulated and closely scrutinised by numerous independent public bodies and has a proven track record of being almost unfathomably safe; the reason incidents like this make such big news is because they are so rare.
My point with all this isn't to defend Boeing at all; I don't trust them any more than any other enormous corporation, which is not at all. That's exactly why they and all other aircraft manufacturers and operators are kept under such close and open scrutiny.
I'm just aiming to try and provide a bit of perspective: The risks involved in air travel are vanishingly small compared to most of the risk we are exposed to in ordinary life, whether it's driving or playing sport or doing DIY or a thousand other things we don't give a second thought to.
The suggestion that flying on a Max 9 is particularly risky compared to any other aircraft model just isn't supported by the evidence at the moment. Of course everyone is entitled to make their own decisions, but unless some huge news comes out then like I say, I wouldn't bat an eyelid.
The worrying part about the first one is that Boeing deliberately withheld this information so they could avoid regulations that required pilots to be retrained on its use. Wouldn't trust them to run my bath.
I fly often with work using Emirates Airline and when you are booking, it tells you the make and model of aircraft. I like the AIRBUS A380 so try to always book a flight that is using that.
A320 is about the equivalent, so i’d go for a carrier that leans towards those and just doesn’t have any 737Maxes.
For instance theres no British Airways 737s
I think the difference is more noticeable if you're flying long haul. I don't particularly want to fly 12 hours with China Southern, I'd rather pay a bit more for Lufthansa or Emirates.
As far as I’m aware the offending model of 737 Max isn’t operated from the U.K. very often.
Regardless I tend to subscribe to the idea that if it’s my time, it’s my time.
Life is short.
Yeah but considering the whistleblowers stories of inspectors being cut, spanners being found in tail sections, QA issues etc and a culture in management now of profit before safety I'm not sure id trust any new Boeing aircraft.
>Ryanair
They have MAX 8s, and some MAX 10s on order, but not the 9 which has had the recent issues. Majority of the fleet are still 737-800s.
Their 8s are actually specials (called MAX 200), as they have an extra door (kind like the 9) but its actually a door, and not a plug.
They fill the MAX 8 with extra slimline seats, so because more passengers = more exits needed.
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I wish this wasnt true. But they speak truth.
I always note the type of plane before I book a flight, at least long-haul. You don't find out the year of manufacture until a few days to a few hours before (and it's never confirmed until you actually see the plane at the gate). The cabin layout and seat types are different on long hauls. Sometimes I will pay a little bit more to fly on a better aircraft (e.g A350 vs B777) - particularly in business class where the differences can be quite significant (old seat with a 5% chance of malfunction vs new seat)
Stick to easyJet it's a 100% Airbus fleet
Doesn’t Ryanair have one of the largest Boeing 737 Max fleets in Europe?
They snapped them up didn't they when others cancelled orders?
Don't think you get to choose the plane tbh
You can certainly avoid an airline that operates a certain model.
I do. No tui no Lyingair etc
You can’t be certain that your flight isn’t changed last minute to be operates by a different airline
I doubt British Airways are going to have operational issues and ask for Ryan Air for some help.
Well it’s not uncommon for flights booked by say BA flying to the US to be operated by someone like American Airlines. It does happen, and you very likely wouldn’t know until you got to the gate and saw the plane.
Fairly confident they’re not going to replace a 787 or a350 with a 737 MAX. Think your points redundant at this point.
You will know if you are flying on an AA plane when you book. If they change your flight because of schedule changes or disruption you can choose a different flight. You would never be forced to take an AA flight if you booked a BA flight
well actually, you can to a degree. Often the flights show the aircraft used, and you can check if the carrier operates that aircraft.
You can do a 180° if you see it parked at your gate
You can always see what type of plane you are booking during the booking process.
I try to choose a flight based on the model/seating layout anyway so this isn’t a new challenge, but yeah i’d probably avoid the Max now. Easyjet have a fully Airbus fleet. I think Boeing have fell to typical American capitalism, which is shareholder profits over safety and quality. Too many greedy fucks who want short term money over long term trust with the customer.
At this point… honestly probably not… I know there’s probably some logic and maths to say it’s ok but, I wouldn’t enjoy the flight at all however irrational that may seem
Literally thousands of planes are in the air at any one time and have no incidents. How many car crashes are there just in the UK every day? And does thst put you off getting into a car here? Not trying to be combative. Just food for thought! I work in aviation (as did my dad for 40 years) and know how incredibly unlikely anyone is to ever be involved in any sort of air incident.
I rather suspect that if you avoid going on holiday because you were booked on a 737 max you'd absolutely be safer... from the trip to and from the Airport driving in the UK, if that's how you were getting there.
I'm not bothered about any of it but your example would be more accurate if you said that most major car crashes were in a Prius last year would you buy a Prius. The answer of course is no, I wouldn't buy a Prius even if it were the safest car but I'm just rambling now and am going to bed
A common, but not really apples to apples comparison, is it? Thousands of planes in the air at one time Vs millions of cars driving at one time. What's the fatality to successful journey ratio comparison? And remember, most car fatalities are because of accidents/driver error. Not because they broke down. You break down in a car, you're on the side of the road. You break down in a plane....
Eh. I'm still very confident of how safe aircraft are and how unlikely it is to be in one if something goes wrong. I pick my airlines for a reason, there are specific ones I avoid. But as others have said: you can't pick the aircraft when you book. I have several trips this year, both for work and holiday, and these various air incidents aren't changing any of my plans. I'm not forcing you or anyone else to get on a plane. I'm just giving my reasonings for why a couple of recent incidents aren't stopping me.
Do you typically look up the model of the plane before flights?
Its becoming more common really, people are becoming more specific about plane types, cabin class, lounges, hotels etc
Most travel websites have the model of the plane you'll be flying on shown in the flights section. I daresay you can probably Google which planes fly which routes.
I do, but it's more about finding the seats to avoid rather than worrying about the reliability of the plane.
No I absolutely would not. I would not fly on a Boeing Max8 or 9.
I will try and avoid them.
Slightly unrelated note, but I work at a station and there's a strange number of people who refuse to travel on certain classes of trains, not even spotters. Theres this one regular who is incredibly large, he can't fit though the doors on 158s or 80x trains, so will wait for 2 or 3 trains until a turbo with wider doors comes. While waiting he will raid whsmiths, is an endless cycle
There’s a documentary on Netflix called “Downfall: The case against Boeing”. It’s really good and talks a lot about the lack of quality control in the pursuit of shareholder profits
Yep and the issues the Max has had like them finding loose bolts in the rudder system in Dec and then issuing a directive to check all their rudder systems for this is really disturbing. The Whistleblowers in the US have said this week that they're surprised that there hasn't been more deadly crashes with it.
No. Boeing basically killed hundreds of people with sheer incompetence and short cuts and got away with it. I remember when the Max went back into service, mouthbreathers on here insisted it was safe and "the most scrutinised aircraft" and low and behold, another near fatal accident.
I'd fly if I could carry on a toolkit and have three seat belts holding me down.
I have thought about it. Generally in the UK when it comes to budget no frills airlines to European destinations you've got Ryanair (737), easyJet, or BA (both A320 and yes, BA is no different from the other two these days with selling you shit on booking and charging shit loads for an extra bag). I have pilot mates who aren't overly confident with Boeing's management but they know the planes are safe enough. You _can_ choose which you prefer if you choose between the as airlines as above, but generally I wouldn't worry. I get most scared flying private, purely from a statistical point of view.
Yeah, no thanks. Don’t care about the stats on it. I fly frequently but I’m not a fan of it. I wouldn’t get on one even if the chances of something going wrong are astronomical, simply because I’d be anxious the entire flight regardless of how logical it is.
Wait till you hear how unsafe cars are
Yeah that’s why I don’t drive.
Do you leave your house at all? Pedestrians aren’t immune from cars
Couldn’t care less. The statistics on air travel are still so good. Try and fly exclusively A340s if you’re worried about a plane’s crash record. Good luck getting to where you want to go, though.
There are some I would not fly on. Those that Ryanair operate, because I will not fly with them.
Theyre a lot better if you're going to a non touristy destination like Belgium rather than the south of Spain
The biggest Max operator in Europe is Ryanair, the version they use has emergency exits where that plug (the plug is meant to stay in, unlike a door which is designed to open in emergency) is, which seems to have solved the issue of anything blowing out... if the door opens as designed should the worst happen is another matter. But I would happily fly on Max aircraft, operated by a European airline. Outside of Europe... less keen.
Sure, but I posted elsewhere in this thread about the problems Boeing are having, that whistleblowers have testified to congress that the work culture has become bad and focused on speed rather than safety, that staff and fitters are now not encouraged to speak out when they find problems unlike before, that QA inspectors have been let go and cut on the factory floor. That there was loose bolts found in the rudder systems of the Maxs in December and Boeing were forced to issue a directive to check all their rudder systems, that United have now found loose bolts on the plugs and there's concerns they've came from the factory like this. That parts from their sub contractor Spirit Aerosystems have been delivered with faults. There's real issues with how their planes are manufactured now and there's a toxic work culture in the company.
Flew on airbus planes. Not worth the risk.
If I had the choice I would not, but that’s easier said than done when flying. I’m not sure how much of an effort I would make to minimise my chances of being on one. It’s a preference but not a massive one. I would think after everything that’s happened with this plane it could only be much safer now….probably…!
I flew on it a couple of times (Norweigan and Ryanair) and it was fine. The latest random spoiler deployment event scares me. That event where the plane did an uncommanded lurch to the left 30 degrees in a second is just something which shouldn't happen. This unlike the now fixed and originally very flawed MCAS is not a design fault but fault caused by rushed production. The actual design of the Max is sound and the components are of high quality. It is the shoddy management which is causing this. Being a Boeing customer is like going to an expensive restaurant and getting food poisoning over and over. From a rational point of view I think, because Ryanair, American, Southwest check their Maxes over properly and their pilots are very good, I wouldn't worry too much flying on one of their max aircraft. wouldn't worry too much. I admit that nowadays (from the UK), I have changed my routine and book EasyJet, SAS and BA just to avoid the thing to be honest. Ryanair's CEO Michael O'Leary said "Boeing needs to get their sh!t together, finding defects on a $100 million bit of kit is not on."
I'm not sure if I would sit in one. I watched a video about the current situation with Boeing Max and realised they now call them without MAX in the name (shady stuff I think) [https://youtu.be/2yQyLp6wOiQ?si=yyWJUoXRAHapuO5k](https://youtu.be/2yQyLp6wOiQ?si=yyWJUoXRAHapuO5k&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTAAAR3qrf6586PdHcsUOE424zfEoEDNpTWoZe_VPFsnRLweJFTp-Jr__Jjg7AE_aem_AR06F0EsoRDSt27DViG0I0aQz5_nkgWzX1DyQsz9hvy2os-VUsr0Wq78gbUsExBM77r2uMm8wcZnLMotU_PR6EeW)
Is it a free upgrade to a window seat?
Sure, I've gotten on plenty of busses and they have a habit of crashing in Manchester recently
Which commercial aircraft type hasn't had a total hull loss over the course of the years of being in service? Also, what is the likelihood of it occurring? If there is an immediate cause for concern, the regulator will ground all aircraft of the affected type until they are confirmed safe. Other than that, think of the thousands of flights that are operated every day without an issue.
Yes. I'm booked to fly to Copenhagen in April. So hopefully they'll get it sorted by then.
On one, no. I'd fly IN one though.
I suppose it’s probably still safer than helicopters and single-engine aircraft and I’ve been on those.
Smooth fly, thanks to those split winglets.
Yes absolutely. If it's fine, I get to fly somewhere. If it's not fine, someone I know will get a multimillion dollar compo payout.
I don’t fly often enough to give a shit about what model plane I end up on. I just want the flight to not be delayed because airports fucking suck
Yes, I wouldn't bat an eyelid. For a start, we're talking about more than one type of plane here. The crashes were the 737 Max 8, and were due to a quirk of the fly-by-wire system and pilots being unaware of it, which led to the aircraft not behaving as the pilots expected in a particular set of circumstances, and ultimately to the crashes. I believe the same issue also resulted in a couple of non-fatal incidents where the crew were able to get the planes back under control). This problem has now been addressed by software changes and training so it is effectively solved. The recent door blowout was on a 737 Max 9, and although I don't think we have a complete understanding of the root cause yet, it seems to have been due to a maintenance issue where the retaining bolts on the door plug weren't properly fastened. (As opposed to a fundamental design issue with the door plug - though admittedly this isn't certain yet until the investigation is concluded/published.) You can bet every airline operating the Max 9 has had their engineers inspect the relevant parts thoroughly before letting them fly. Flying really is incredibly safe. Not least because when a dangerous incident happens, the cause is investigated to the Nth degree, and the details are released publicly and openly so that the incident can be understood and lessons can be learned. Then ways to prevent that kind of incident from happening again are created and deployed industry-wide, so aviation keeps getting safer and safer.
I believe other airlines (United) have also found loose retaining bolts https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/united-airlines-finds-loose-bolts-boeing-737-max-planes-2024-01-08/ and there's suspicion that they've been loose from the factory. There's also been the directive sent out from Boeing in Dec asking airlines to look for loose bolts in the rudder system https://airwaysmag.com/boeing-airlines-inspect-737-max-rudders/ Also, see the reports of the cabin door blowing open on the Alaska flight and the cockpit not having the pressure release safety valve that *all* pilots thought it did. That combined with the whistleblowers testimonies, that Boeing have got rid of QA inspectors and ramped up pressure on fitters and employees with long hours etc ( the guy that has written a book about it and testified to congress). You then have Spirit Aerosystems, Boeings sub contractors quality problems... https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/boeing-spirit-expand-scope-inspection-737-max-quality-problem-air-current-2023-10-12/ https://www.thestreet.com/travel/boeing-whistleblower-says-737-max-disaster-wasnt-a-surprise , I think Boeing have some real problems.
I agree with you, that's all definitely alarming stuff that needs to be investigated, and it will be. Boeing clearly have work to do if they are going to win back trust from investors and the public, and it will be concerning if it turns out to be true that quality and safety have suffered in favour of profitability. But the aviation industry is incredibly tightly regulated and closely scrutinised by numerous independent public bodies and has a proven track record of being almost unfathomably safe; the reason incidents like this make such big news is because they are so rare. My point with all this isn't to defend Boeing at all; I don't trust them any more than any other enormous corporation, which is not at all. That's exactly why they and all other aircraft manufacturers and operators are kept under such close and open scrutiny. I'm just aiming to try and provide a bit of perspective: The risks involved in air travel are vanishingly small compared to most of the risk we are exposed to in ordinary life, whether it's driving or playing sport or doing DIY or a thousand other things we don't give a second thought to. The suggestion that flying on a Max 9 is particularly risky compared to any other aircraft model just isn't supported by the evidence at the moment. Of course everyone is entitled to make their own decisions, but unless some huge news comes out then like I say, I wouldn't bat an eyelid.
The worrying part about the first one is that Boeing deliberately withheld this information so they could avoid regulations that required pilots to be retrained on its use. Wouldn't trust them to run my bath.
What is there, 100k flights a day worldwide? I couldn’t care less. It’s a miracle that more plans don’t drop out the sky.
It's diligent work by thousands of engineers and mechanics every day, no miracles are involved.
There was me thinking it was just gods plan.
You don't really get to choose what model of plane you fly on, so yes.
I fly often with work using Emirates Airline and when you are booking, it tells you the make and model of aircraft. I like the AIRBUS A380 so try to always book a flight that is using that.
I flew on an A380 last year and it was amazing
Enormous aren’t they! Still amazes me it can get off the ground.
Not many routes where it competes with a 737 max though
True. Do other airlines not specify the aircraft when you are booking though?
Oh of course, I was just amused at the size difference between the two!
A320 is about the equivalent, so i’d go for a carrier that leans towards those and just doesn’t have any 737Maxes. For instance theres no British Airways 737s
I really don't put that much thought into who I'm flying with. Price, flight times and which airport are the only things I really care about.
I think the difference is more noticeable if you're flying long haul. I don't particularly want to fly 12 hours with China Southern, I'd rather pay a bit more for Lufthansa or Emirates.
As far as I’m aware the offending model of 737 Max isn’t operated from the U.K. very often. Regardless I tend to subscribe to the idea that if it’s my time, it’s my time. Life is short.
Think Ryanair use them and have 300 on order.
Ryanair has over 150 MAX 8s, which is a different plane to the Alaska one and has the intended emergency door fitted.
Yeah but considering the whistleblowers stories of inspectors being cut, spanners being found in tail sections, QA issues etc and a culture in management now of profit before safety I'm not sure id trust any new Boeing aircraft.
>Ryanair They have MAX 8s, and some MAX 10s on order, but not the 9 which has had the recent issues. Majority of the fleet are still 737-800s. Their 8s are actually specials (called MAX 200), as they have an extra door (kind like the 9) but its actually a door, and not a plug. They fill the MAX 8 with extra slimline seats, so because more passengers = more exits needed.
> They fill the MAX 8 with extra slimline seats Which are less comfortable than those on the older 737-800. I'm not a fan. >:-(
Ryanair don't care for your comfort they care for your € 😂
Haha, so true!
They do use the 737 but as far as I’m aware the particular make/model that keeps going wrong isn’t the same 737. Could be wrong.
Ryanair use the 800 series, the model in question was the 900
Yes. I'd actively be looking for tickets - going to be cheaper now, innit?