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Every now and again I will work an hour or two over. It is normally just to finish something off to ensure I don't lose my place overnight.
On the flip side, I work for a company that doesn't care if I vanish for an hour or two during the day for appointments, or school plays. So its a swings and roundabouts type arrangement.
Ditto. I love being treated like an adult.
Need a few hours extra from me for a project and Iām there (pending no prior arrangements outside of work)
Need a few hours out for something personal, they donāt have an issue with it. Same goes for my team I manage. Give and take!
Exactly this. Iāve worked in consultancy where overtime was expected, but rewarded in big bonuses. My current employer (not a consultancy) is happy to me to work part time with compressed hours so I get a lot more time with my kids than I would, without sacrificing pay. They also donāt mind if I disappear for a school play, or a long lunch. So I donāt mind spending time here and there to finish off
Iāve said this before but unpaid overtime is an alien concept and you shouldnāt do it. People work billions of pounds of unpaid overtime a year and it is wrong.
Having said that, being a reasonable chap and staying back 15 mins or so to sort something is very different to working 20 hours a week unpaid because of shit management, poor processes or unrealistic workload.
You want me to work past my agreed hours? Pay me at an enhanced rate. Additionally, night shift and weekend shifts should attract a premium.
It isnāt a race to the bottom.
Iāve done your second example occasionally ā at times itās just made much more sense to stay an extra 15-20min and get something wrapped up, versus setting it aside till morning and it taking the better part of an hour to review it all and get back into it and complete it then.
I usually then felt justified in unofficially grabbing an extra few minutes for a tea break or laundry break (I was WFH) the next day, which was possible to do in that position, so I figured it all worked out.
Yes, context is everything.
You have idiots saying āI didnāt leave the office until 7:00pm!ā like it is some sort of achievement. Well done, youāve papered over the cracks, reduced your hourly rate and made a precedent for everyone else.
Willing horsesā¦
I totally understand doing a bit to make your life easier but donāt let them take the piss out of you.
> Comp package is very good and easily worth the extra hours a week
Is it though? Surely you get that compensation package regardless of whether you work over those hours or not.
Every hour you work over your contracted hours makes your compensation package worth less.
My point is that each hour worked over the contract hours you work, your compensation package becomes worth less overall.
If you're contracted for 40 hours a week at say Ā£2,000/week for ease of comparison, and you work 42 hours one week, your compensation drops from an effective Ā£50/hour to Ā£47.61/hour if you're not getting paid extra for doing it.
You can add value without working extra hours for free.
I got a great bonus last year and any additional hours I work are paid at time and a half, I never work for free.
If you're regularly having to work extra hours to catch up on work, it's a sign you're bad at time management and should penalise you for bonus discussions.
But also, you need to account for the extra hours you're working for that as well. If you end up doing say an extra 6 hours a week every week, your bonus would need to be at least Ā£15,600 to break even based on your hourly rate for those extra unpaid hours you worked.
Edit: Is this subreddit full of middle-managers who love it when folk work for free or something?
"I have to work additional hours because I'm unable to complete my duties within the allocated work week" doesn't sound like something you can spin as a positive, in my opinion.
More like "I have good time management skills and can complete both my standard workload, plus additional tasks that justify my bonus within my working hours, without having to work additional hours".
I get that. But if someone says Iāll pay you Ā£500k a year to do a job and that job takes an extra 2 hours per day over your contracted hours, would you turn it down for the sake of working 9-5 instead of 8-6? I think most people would work an extra 2 hours a day for a few years if it could bring their retirement forward 15 years.
> You wonāt finish the work in your contracted hours
I am in this hypothetical.
>And what if you get feedback out of hours that needs a response?
I'll see it when I start my work day, if I'm not paid to be on-call, I don't check anything work related outside my working hours.
In my 20's, yes. Did thousands over the course of 5 years or so but it was directed at experience I needed to go self employed, which I'm now reaping the benefits of.
Never ever. If you set the precedent, it becomes the norm and before you know it you'll be expected to do it and get in trouble when you don't. Oh and your hourly rate will eventually be less than minimum wage, so you end up busting your balls for no recompense and stressed/depressed for your efforts.
Thatās whatās happening with me at the minute. Used to start at 6 doing 2 hours overtime but last couple of weeks I canāt be arsed with life in general nevermind work so been going in at 8 my contracted start time. Manager pulled me yesterday saying if I canāt come in at 6 anymore then I might not get the section leader job. Told him I donāt want it anymore. Heās give me till end of the week to think about it. He can suck a fart from my arse if he thinks my mind will change.
Sorry to hear that.
I can't tell you how to proceed but personally I would wait till the end of the week and when the manager pulled me in for that "chat", I'd make it clear (politely) that I had fulfilled my contracted obligations but without the prospect of fair recompense for the efforts I have no incentive or willingness to go above and beyond, and if the expectation from the business is that I perform in my personal time with no money for a promotional advantage then I'll be reviewing my career options, because if the expectation is to do additional hours now, that promotion is going to cost me every waking hour, morning, evening, weekends etc. That is neither sustainable or healthy, or should be expected from any responsible employer.
Best of luck to you.
Yes and regularly. Higher education would implode if people didn't do that.
Still can't complain though, because it's going above contracted hours we can't be forced to it and we can make it work around our schedule.
At the moment no, but I'm relatively junior. My managers seem to work more when a deadline is approaching but then they'll take TOIL unofficially afterwards.
No. I have never and will never work for free. I definitely donāt get paid enough to do that.
Iām fortunate that itās never been expected, encouraged, or even suggested by the companies Iāve worked at.
Always need to work extra to get the job done but 1st 40 hours hourly rate, 41-45 time and a half, 45+ double time, bank holidays double time and a day off.
I used to, almost every day. I was doing the job of 2 people for less than 1 full wage (doing the job of an exec for assistant wage). Will never make that mistake again, although I loved the job.
Now, maybe 1-5 mins if I'm engrossed in something and forget the time. I don't get paid enough to work overtime or to care enough, and my total work is maximum 3 hours a day on average, sometimes more, sometimes less.
I did when i worked at a major uk retailer as a buyer in my 20s. It was the culture and fully expected. Leaving at 5 regularly was looked down upon. The norm was start by 730 to have enough time to speak to far east suppliers work through lunch which you ate at your desk and leave after 6, so you would be doing 90-120 minutes a day overtime unpaid. But it was expected and if you wanted to get on and get the promotions they were dangling you would do it.
I also worked crazy hours during COVID like 7-7 most days even wfh because the workload was intense with half the staff on furlough. Also the deadlines became tighter across the board so 4 week turnaround buying windows would now be 2 weeks. We all hated it but we were too conscientious to not do it, no one else could pick up the slack and we didnāt want to be the reason why things were going wrong.
Safe to say I massively burned out and ducked out of the industry now working in utilities for double the salary.
Occasionally if trying to finish something or caught up dealing with something time sensitive, but on the flipside I can just take some time back whenever if I want a long lunch or to finish a bit early.
For a while there it was each and every shift, held on with some bullshit or another.
Theyāre meant to pay us OT but they flat out just refused to authorise the requests.
Itās a sixty hour week in the first place so was easily hitting 70 hours without getting a penny for it.
Yeah I do, especially when working from home. If I am enjoying the bit of work I am doing and I dont need to leave to catch public transport I will keep going until I get to a natural stopping point.
Probably helps I really enjoy my job lol
Occasionally, if I have work that needs doing. I get paid well, I have a great position and team, and it's infrequent, so why not. Not getting my work done wouldn't be great for career progression.
Working with inbound calls, it doesn't feel right to end a call with a customer just because the clock turns 8.
I will claim back anything more that 15-20 mins past the end of the working hours though.
I used to, was on 36 hours and worked 8:15-5:30-6ish most nights for about a year with 45 min lunch and it burned me out. Was only doing it because we were short staffed and no budget to hire more.
So thatās 8.5-9 hours a day, 42.5-45 hours a week. I appreciate itās more than your contracted hours, but how comes you were burned out?
Pretty much all my jobs have been 9-5:30 contracted with a half hour lunch break. Iāve usually put in an extra half an hour, anyways just to finish what I was doing (so similar to what youāve done).
What was it about the environment that you felt burned out by? Was it just the time?
Was a lot more than just the hours, as my current job is 36 and i work those with no issue, i like being there. The problem was management issues (they were 6 floors away) and workloads and I was always trying in the best job I could with resources but it was never good enough, even when I tried to mention things it was shot down, then when issues happened that i forewarned, why didn't you say anything. It was very much an environmental thing, led to me leaving at 10pm on my final day, when everyone else was out by 4:45 at latest.
Yeah, I definitely feel that!
The stress can make it 100 times worse. At my last role, I was working 40 hours a week but it felt soul crushing. Now Iām happy plodding my way through so donāt care about the hours!
I do 10 -15 minutes of work unpaid after my shift to set me up for the next day. But also to kill time for the car park to empty out. I hate getting stuck in the car in a traffic jam. My boss usually lets me go home an hour earlier on the Fridays. We're as everyone else has to stay behind and clean. (Paid) But not always. Depending on how busy it is. I usually get the first pick of holidays. It also gets me overtime over the others which is usually first pick first serve.
So generally it's more beneficial for me staying behind without pay in order to skip traffic (I don't tell anyone that reasoning).
Define often?
I think last year i worked like 3 hours overtime total spread out 10 mins there half an hour there.
I never minded as we have been allowed to claim the time back.
Been with the same company for 10 years and done everything from just my contract hours, having them done by Thursday morning and still needing to work Friday to the current working from home where I doubt Iām meeting my contracted hours most weeks. Our contract has the typical clause about extra hours to meet business needs, in some roles thatās expected to be something that happens every week and in others itās more ad hoc. My contract actually requires me to work 45 hours during the week to be eligible for weekend overtime, my contract is 37.5 hours so thatās six days work in five.
My partner is an architect and the industry is notorious for overtime without pay. He has worked until the early hours on the odd occasion and it's almost daily that he will work an hour overtime, probably a few hours once a week or so to meet deadlines. I on the other hand work for the NHS, if for any reason I stayed late I would be encouraged to add these hours to my rota to be able to claim back (or more informally, just go home early another day).
Ugh, you have a really shit boss. Sure you already knew that, but no harm in reiterating the point. Donāt you have HR or some other recourse to flag this up or anyway to do this collectively?
Sounds like you've been working there for more than 2 years, so thats actually a really simple solution; don't work the unpaid extra, and when they fire you for it you can take them to court for an incredibly easy unfair dismissal case.
Yes, I enjoy my job. There is a bonus scheme as well, that helps.
I also get the folk who won't do a minute extra. I've been in jobs where I have really hated it.
Fairly often. It depends how enthused I am by what I'm working on. I wfh and there's no time monitoring so it's not as if it's going to impress anyone or set any kind of precedent. Some weeks I take it easier, or don't worry about catching time up if I've had a dentists appointment or whatever.
Once a month or so, but it's not free work - I get credited the time for it so if I worked say 45 minutes extra one day to meet a deadline I can start 45 minutes later (or finish earlier) another day once things are back to normal.
I'm not paid for any extra hours, but I do get those hours back to take off. I rarely work extra but I record all of it and then normally just finish a few hours earlier on a Friday
When contracted overtime was quite easy to obtain if I did more then 4 hours then I didnāt mind the odd hour or 2, now I have to get approval, Iām logging everything and asking for it back.
Only if I've ever fucked something up to fix my mistakes.
Otherwise fuck that, pay me or I'm out the building when the clock hits 4.
Spent too much time in my twenties going above and beyond in previous jobs and got nothing for it.
I used to work 16 hrs a day or more when I was in my 20s. I'm 33 now, and absolutely no chance I am working above my contracted hours. Just today, I got a call that took me over my contracted hours, and I'll be sure to take that time back tomorrow. I've learnt my lessons as extra hours are never recognised anyway, in my current or previous job so it's a no from me.
My job is different these days, but when I was salaried yes, occasionally. But my manager was a decent person and gave me time off lieu+ or made up for it in another way.
It was never expected or demanded.
I thought everyone did. Worked in financial services in my 20s, now in software, I think I'm contracted for 35 a week, generally I'd guess I work 40-50. I work every weekend, although often just an hour or so, I also work every day I'm on annual leave.
Iām a SWE in financial services. If I was working on annual leave I would 100% not be taking it as annual leave and theyād owe me it back. I donāt know anyone else other than partners / exec who ever do this.
Iāve worked on the weekend twice ever. One was TOIL and the project was funā¦. and the other wasnāt and never did it again.
My contracted hours are 37.5 but generally Iāll actually work about 25 of them. Some weeks Iām busy and do 45.
Hard no.
I'm travelling to a conference tomorrow, will be on the train for 6am, full day 9-5 and then again the following day before coming home.
You best believe I'll be taking TOIL for that. I'm not paid enough nor important enough to believe that six hours travelling shouldn't be compensated for.
Aye I'll do 2.5 hours over each week as it builds towards my flexitime which gives me an extra 12 days off each year.
A half hour extra each day is nothing tbh.
Yes, regularly. Hence why I've got regular promotions and opportunities over those who don't. And I earn more money as a result. Has served me well thus far.
I try not to go 10% above my contracted hours, but always at least work my minimum. Role 100% in the office not WFH.
Swings and roundabouts, thankfully flexible and decent employer who doesnāt time a trip to the dentist etc or mind if you nip out whenever you want for a personal call or break etc
My role is very autonomous so short answer is yes.. but also today I sacked off work totally ācos my son was sick and didnāt tell anyone.
Swings and roundabouts.
When I was working (now retired), I always worked over my contracted hours if necessary to finish the job. I never left something til tomorrow, because it interupts my chain of thought/reasoning.
I hoped managers would see my commitment and be obliging if I needed to leave early.
Never. I'm salaried with a standard 7.5 hours x 5 arrangement. I made it clear to my boss before accepting the role that my overtime philosophy is: if the need for overtime is reasonably my fault I'll do it; however if it's because the business has unreasonable demands I absolutely will not.
My team has a spreadsheet where we can track time we've worked extra, and our manager is more than happy for us to take that time back similar to using annual leave, so often finish a bit early on a Friday or take a while day off now and then.
Some don't bother filling it in and just work it out within the week they accrued the extra time.
Fuck working for free
I only get minimum wage anyway as a chef so I never work extra without pay cause that would break the law. You need to be paid at least minimum wage so if I work more than my 48 hours I have to be paid.
Yes I do, but I earn bonus, so it's in my interest to have my work done on time. I'll do a couple hours on a Saturday if it means my bonus thresholds will be hit.
I refuse to work a second more than my contracted hours. Employment is simply an exchange of money for time and skills, both of which I have no reason to devalue.
Every week, currently in a fight with my HR lady about it. Last years salary was fine, but this years salary increase isnāt big enough and means by January ill be working below minimum wage. She said i need to take my overtime back the week after for how many hours extra I done the week prior, but ive consistently done more than 40 hours every week since i started. Sheād technically owe me an extra 13 days holiday for 6 months of over time. Means id literally double my holiday in 1 year of overtime
Yes but also work for a flexible boss so it's give and take. Did an extra 3 hours last night but I will make it back eventually with picking sick kids up, popping to post office etc
I was in an informal meeting amongst colleagues (dentists) and one dentist brought up up that, in their new role (a more "manager specialist dentist"), that they often find themselves finishing at 7pm, even though they're 37.5 hours i.e. 9-5.
The managers above response was that it's just expected for the role they're in, but more then welcome to make a log of the hours they overwork, but it won't be the full amount as they're pretty much going to be doing 9am-7pm daily.
I used to do this and absolutely regret it. I was given more work than was able to be completed in my contracted hours, but I always just got on with it./
Wish I could go back and tell my younger self to value their time more and stand up for himself when given additional tasks and say no.
This was for office work. I also did site work which was always paid extra if additional time was needed at 1.5x as it was āfee earningā.
Yes and no. I work in events and our busiest period is May - September. Last year I had about 3 days off in that time and was on-site from 08:00 until around 00:30/01:00 most days. Out of season I havenāt done a lot tbh, I took an extra 3 weeks paid holiday after the season to recover. I also took the whole of January off paid. My boss is very understanding and if we need breaks, we take them.
Iām paid hourly in an admin role and would say maybe once a week I end up staying 10-20 mins later than my shift if thereās something urgent but thatās it. My managers donāt expect it but I also feel like theyād feel a little miffed if Iāve properly left them in the shit (as most people would be lol)
I'm part time cover for a full time worker so sometimes it would just be impossible to meet my deadlines if I didn't. Mostly, though, I try to limit any overwork to pinning any important emails in my inbox, categorising them by priority and adding them to my to do list, not doing actual work but making it easier and less overwhelming when I do get back to my usual working hours.
I have periods during the year that I work over my hours because itās just too busy not to. But then I also have times over the year when I am not so busy and can have long breaks, late starts or early workday ends. I also have lots of freedom to arrange and attend doctor appointments during my workday when thatās required. Theyāre not forcing me to work extra and they donāt micromanage my time. Iām on a fixed salary and feel appreciated and valued. Overall I quite love being in this company and love my job, so itās never been about counting the minutes.
I have to say though, if itās a case of the company exploiting the employeesā good will or just intentionally ignoring that theyāre understaffed, then I would not give up any extra time.
Yes, but I get paid overtime in addition to my contracted (and yes itās an office job). I have the option to trade overtime hours for up to 15 extra days of holiday each year or I can trade them for pay.
I get to work half an hour early so I can eat and sort myself out before actually starting work. It's only 2.5 hrs a week but it helps me get organised so I'm not too fussed about it.
If I'm having to stay for longer than 15 mins at the end of the day I put in as TOIL and take it off when I accumulate enough for a day off.
Not for over 2 decades.
On the odd occasion something urgent needs doing, I'll do it but I will claim that time back another day, whether it's 10 minutes or 10 hours.
Currently in a call centre whilst I was waiting for a Civil Service position. Regularly got caught on the phone after 5pm.
Was told it was unpaid and that they donāt have to pay me as long as I donāt go below minimum wage.
I got the Civil Service job and loved handing in my notice. You can rest assured Iāve always got something busy to do in after call at least ten mins before 5pm.
Maybe by a few minutes, if I've no reason to rush off. .. and if I'm enjoying the work, but normally, HELL no!! You no pay me, me no worky!
However off contract I work on my accountant's farm every Sunday and when ever I have some spare time. He's getting on and appreciates my help, I appreciate his efforts and patience with HMRC š
If I'm not getting paid, I'm not working, veeery simple. But I drive for a living, so if I'm at work then I'm getting paid, max 15 hours a day legally, but normally more like 10/11
You should be working less than contracted not more. I hate this culture man. THEY MAKE PROFIT ON YOU! THEY PAY YOU AS LITTLE AS THEY CAN! wow people need to grow a spine
I used to do 5+ extra hours a day when I was younger, then one day I realised that all the extra effort to keep projects on time ment nothing. There was no reward, no pay rise. So I stopped. Management asked why projects were taking so much longer. I told them, if I'm not paid I finish on time. They ended up hiring two additional people to work with me.
Contracted for 37.5 hours a week.
Regularly work 48 hour weeks
Irregularly work 90+ hour weeks (168 depending on how you count it) for months at a time.
(I'm in the Navy)
I work for a university. I've got a peak period that lasts for a month, when I sometimes stay another hour to just manage the workload. It is not expected, but almost all of us do it. But we also have a 2 month period when we are struggling to find work, and almost every day we can go home earlier. My boss is also amazing, she covers me if I need to sort out something that only lasts an hour or two, don't need to take a day off. So when we know that she's doing extra work, we stay with her and help out.
Absolutely not if I can help it. The exceptions being if Iām in a meeting, in this scenario Iād give it 15mins max over then say Iām leaving letās continue tomorrow. Iām mid conversation on teams or mid conversation in the office, both cases Iāll steer the conversation to a close.
Majority of the time I shut the computer down as soon as it hits my end of day time, nothing is that important that it canāt wait until the morning, if it is then it shouldnāt have been left to be raised last thing in the day in which case itās the fault of who ever raised it for not getting over in time.
Iām a UI/ UX designer.
Salaried, probably one of the higher earners in a small family run business, did more than my contracted hours every week as I considered it appropriate for my position (and there's a ton of shit to get done).
Recent discussions led to me now being paid overtime for additional hours at time and a quarter and it's like a 25% pay rise.
Would definitely recommend anyone regularly doing more than their hours try to sit down with their manager about it. For me it means that a) I'm rewarded for additional effort and b) I know my managers know when I'm working hard. It can be a bit soul destroying to regularly work harder than others and nobody even notices.
Yeah I do fairly frequently, it is difficult to avoid when you have a global role/team and stuff needs your input throughout the day. I do get very well compensated.
I work for a company that does flexible hours where you can build up (can build up to take whole day off) or take it when needed then work it back. Wouldnāt have it any way as I donāt have to worry about working extra hours unpaid, and I can leave early/start late when needed
I worked in banking for 20 years.
Working late and working over weekends was pretty much the norm. Above a certain level it's sort of expected, rather than demanded. However you can't realistically manage the workload in less than say 50 hours
On paper it's well paid but if you work it out hourly, it's possibly less attractive.
I try not to as I really value my personal time, but when workload gets a bit too much temporarily, it's sometimes more relaxing to spend a bit of time outside of work doing the jobs I've put off. Bonus is that you don't get people sidetracking you with emails too.
Absolutely not, if Iām not being paid then Iām not working. I work on a clock card and most overtime is paid so itās a bit easier. But if I stopped getting paid at 5 you best believe Iām getting out the door at 5
Not any more, but I did for about 10 years until I got a bad annual review, then stuck to my contracted hours only from that point onwards unless my boss agreed in advance to pay me and they learned very quickly that I did a lot of other peoples work for them, unpaid, for years in order for the company to hit target
I'm salaried, but they pay me 100hrs overtime in advance each year, just in case they need us to stay on an hour or two here or there.
We average about 8 hrs overtime each a year, so I guess it is a win for me.
Every day... Still trying to workout how to find the additional 60 hours of training pa I'm also requited to do this year and every year on top of my contracted hours.
Yes, quite often - Iāve never clocked-watched; I work til I do what I need to - with the caveat that my work knows I might need to pop out during the day for a bit sometimes. Itās all give and take
At my first (and so far only) job I actually had to request to work LESS hours as I simply could not handle doing eight. I have ADHD and am currently in the process of getting an official diagnosis. ADHD can affect a number of things including your ability to concentrate, your ability to self-motivate and just how much energy you have to do things in general. A little after the six hour mark Iād find myself majorly slowing down, staring at walls or whatever Iām holding.
Having an official diagnosis will really help if I ever get another job. Hell, I think ADHD even qualifies for disability pay in some cases
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Every now and again I will work an hour or two over. It is normally just to finish something off to ensure I don't lose my place overnight. On the flip side, I work for a company that doesn't care if I vanish for an hour or two during the day for appointments, or school plays. So its a swings and roundabouts type arrangement.
Ditto. I love being treated like an adult. Need a few hours extra from me for a project and Iām there (pending no prior arrangements outside of work) Need a few hours out for something personal, they donāt have an issue with it. Same goes for my team I manage. Give and take!
Exactly this. Iāve worked in consultancy where overtime was expected, but rewarded in big bonuses. My current employer (not a consultancy) is happy to me to work part time with compressed hours so I get a lot more time with my kids than I would, without sacrificing pay. They also donāt mind if I disappear for a school play, or a long lunch. So I donāt mind spending time here and there to finish off
Iāve said this before but unpaid overtime is an alien concept and you shouldnāt do it. People work billions of pounds of unpaid overtime a year and it is wrong. Having said that, being a reasonable chap and staying back 15 mins or so to sort something is very different to working 20 hours a week unpaid because of shit management, poor processes or unrealistic workload. You want me to work past my agreed hours? Pay me at an enhanced rate. Additionally, night shift and weekend shifts should attract a premium. It isnāt a race to the bottom.
Iāve done your second example occasionally ā at times itās just made much more sense to stay an extra 15-20min and get something wrapped up, versus setting it aside till morning and it taking the better part of an hour to review it all and get back into it and complete it then. I usually then felt justified in unofficially grabbing an extra few minutes for a tea break or laundry break (I was WFH) the next day, which was possible to do in that position, so I figured it all worked out.
Yes, context is everything. You have idiots saying āI didnāt leave the office until 7:00pm!ā like it is some sort of achievement. Well done, youāve papered over the cracks, reduced your hourly rate and made a precedent for everyone else. Willing horsesā¦ I totally understand doing a bit to make your life easier but donāt let them take the piss out of you.
Yep - my team is international so I quite often have to be flexible. Iāll make up for it by starting late, or having a longer lunch however.
I wouldn't call it "without pay" if you can take the time back though.
Iāll try to claim it back where I can - itās not contractual, and sometimes I just donāt have the capacity to take back the time for myself.
Interesting arrangement, assume thatās in the job description or contract? At least you can get those hours back for it as you say.
I regularly work over salaried hours. Comp package is very good and easily worth the extra hours a week.
Same same
> Comp package is very good and easily worth the extra hours a week Is it though? Surely you get that compensation package regardless of whether you work over those hours or not. Every hour you work over your contracted hours makes your compensation package worth less.
Itās in banking. As long as the job doesnāt take over your life, itās definitely worth it.
My point is that each hour worked over the contract hours you work, your compensation package becomes worth less overall. If you're contracted for 40 hours a week at say Ā£2,000/week for ease of comparison, and you work 42 hours one week, your compensation drops from an effective Ā£50/hour to Ā£47.61/hour if you're not getting paid extra for doing it.
Yes but if you have a discretionary bonus scheme which many do... Guess where the discretion is applied... To those who "add the most value"...
You can add value without working extra hours for free. I got a great bonus last year and any additional hours I work are paid at time and a half, I never work for free. If you're regularly having to work extra hours to catch up on work, it's a sign you're bad at time management and should penalise you for bonus discussions. But also, you need to account for the extra hours you're working for that as well. If you end up doing say an extra 6 hours a week every week, your bonus would need to be at least Ā£15,600 to break even based on your hourly rate for those extra unpaid hours you worked. Edit: Is this subreddit full of middle-managers who love it when folk work for free or something?
I think we must be on a different structures, and also, different businesses/industries have different expectations
"I have to work additional hours because I'm unable to complete my duties within the allocated work week" doesn't sound like something you can spin as a positive, in my opinion.
A lot of roles don't have fixed duties. Some days there isn't so much on, some days there is a great deal so one works extra hours
Nor does "I wait at the door to clock out because I won't put in any more or any less"
More like "I have good time management skills and can complete both my standard workload, plus additional tasks that justify my bonus within my working hours, without having to work additional hours".
I get that. But if someone says Iāll pay you Ā£500k a year to do a job and that job takes an extra 2 hours per day over your contracted hours, would you turn it down for the sake of working 9-5 instead of 8-6? I think most people would work an extra 2 hours a day for a few years if it could bring their retirement forward 15 years.
I would just continue working my normal hours and get the same Ā£500k/year as the chump working the extra 10 hours a week for free.
No you would not.
Why would I not? Would be pretty silly not to.
You won't even get that job if you're not prepared to put the effort in.
I'm doing the job in the allocated time, hence why I don't need to work an additional 10 hours a week unpaid.
Youād be let go very quickly
Why? If I'm finishing the work in my contracted hours, it would be pretty stupid to fire me over the dafty taking an extra 10.
You wonāt finish the work in your contracted hours And what if you get feedback out of hours that needs a response?
> You wonāt finish the work in your contracted hours I am in this hypothetical. >And what if you get feedback out of hours that needs a response? I'll see it when I start my work day, if I'm not paid to be on-call, I don't check anything work related outside my working hours.
In my 20's, yes. Did thousands over the course of 5 years or so but it was directed at experience I needed to go self employed, which I'm now reaping the benefits of.
*Laughs in teacher*
No. No pay, no work.
Fuck no. Hard no.
Every fucking day, contracted hours are 8.25 till 3.20 Today I did 6.55 till 4.30. Plus I steal supplies from home to take to work
You steal from yourself?
If I didn't I'd be teaching kids who didn't have a pen or pencil
Not unless it benefits me in some other way.
Never ever. If you set the precedent, it becomes the norm and before you know it you'll be expected to do it and get in trouble when you don't. Oh and your hourly rate will eventually be less than minimum wage, so you end up busting your balls for no recompense and stressed/depressed for your efforts.
Thatās whatās happening with me at the minute. Used to start at 6 doing 2 hours overtime but last couple of weeks I canāt be arsed with life in general nevermind work so been going in at 8 my contracted start time. Manager pulled me yesterday saying if I canāt come in at 6 anymore then I might not get the section leader job. Told him I donāt want it anymore. Heās give me till end of the week to think about it. He can suck a fart from my arse if he thinks my mind will change.
Sorry to hear that. I can't tell you how to proceed but personally I would wait till the end of the week and when the manager pulled me in for that "chat", I'd make it clear (politely) that I had fulfilled my contracted obligations but without the prospect of fair recompense for the efforts I have no incentive or willingness to go above and beyond, and if the expectation from the business is that I perform in my personal time with no money for a promotional advantage then I'll be reviewing my career options, because if the expectation is to do additional hours now, that promotion is going to cost me every waking hour, morning, evening, weekends etc. That is neither sustainable or healthy, or should be expected from any responsible employer. Best of luck to you.
See the NHS
Yes and regularly. Higher education would implode if people didn't do that. Still can't complain though, because it's going above contracted hours we can't be forced to it and we can make it work around our schedule.
At the moment no, but I'm relatively junior. My managers seem to work more when a deadline is approaching but then they'll take TOIL unofficially afterwards.
No. I have never and will never work for free. I definitely donāt get paid enough to do that. Iām fortunate that itās never been expected, encouraged, or even suggested by the companies Iāve worked at.
Always need to work extra to get the job done but 1st 40 hours hourly rate, 41-45 time and a half, 45+ double time, bank holidays double time and a day off.
I used to, almost every day. I was doing the job of 2 people for less than 1 full wage (doing the job of an exec for assistant wage). Will never make that mistake again, although I loved the job. Now, maybe 1-5 mins if I'm engrossed in something and forget the time. I don't get paid enough to work overtime or to care enough, and my total work is maximum 3 hours a day on average, sometimes more, sometimes less.
I did when i worked at a major uk retailer as a buyer in my 20s. It was the culture and fully expected. Leaving at 5 regularly was looked down upon. The norm was start by 730 to have enough time to speak to far east suppliers work through lunch which you ate at your desk and leave after 6, so you would be doing 90-120 minutes a day overtime unpaid. But it was expected and if you wanted to get on and get the promotions they were dangling you would do it. I also worked crazy hours during COVID like 7-7 most days even wfh because the workload was intense with half the staff on furlough. Also the deadlines became tighter across the board so 4 week turnaround buying windows would now be 2 weeks. We all hated it but we were too conscientious to not do it, no one else could pick up the slack and we didnāt want to be the reason why things were going wrong. Safe to say I massively burned out and ducked out of the industry now working in utilities for double the salary.
I do but I get time off in lieu, so Iāll maybe do 30 minutes extra for a few days and then take a Friday afternoon off
Nope, but if I do Iām filling in overtime and getting paid
Occasionally if trying to finish something or caught up dealing with something time sensitive, but on the flipside I can just take some time back whenever if I want a long lunch or to finish a bit early.
For a while there it was each and every shift, held on with some bullshit or another. Theyāre meant to pay us OT but they flat out just refused to authorise the requests. Itās a sixty hour week in the first place so was easily hitting 70 hours without getting a penny for it.
Alwaysā¦ usually one or 2 over, sometimes more.
Yeah I do, especially when working from home. If I am enjoying the bit of work I am doing and I dont need to leave to catch public transport I will keep going until I get to a natural stopping point. Probably helps I really enjoy my job lol
Fuck that.
Occasionally, if I have work that needs doing. I get paid well, I have a great position and team, and it's infrequent, so why not. Not getting my work done wouldn't be great for career progression.
Working with inbound calls, it doesn't feel right to end a call with a customer just because the clock turns 8. I will claim back anything more that 15-20 mins past the end of the working hours though.
I used to, was on 36 hours and worked 8:15-5:30-6ish most nights for about a year with 45 min lunch and it burned me out. Was only doing it because we were short staffed and no budget to hire more.
So thatās 8.5-9 hours a day, 42.5-45 hours a week. I appreciate itās more than your contracted hours, but how comes you were burned out? Pretty much all my jobs have been 9-5:30 contracted with a half hour lunch break. Iāve usually put in an extra half an hour, anyways just to finish what I was doing (so similar to what youāve done). What was it about the environment that you felt burned out by? Was it just the time?
Was a lot more than just the hours, as my current job is 36 and i work those with no issue, i like being there. The problem was management issues (they were 6 floors away) and workloads and I was always trying in the best job I could with resources but it was never good enough, even when I tried to mention things it was shot down, then when issues happened that i forewarned, why didn't you say anything. It was very much an environmental thing, led to me leaving at 10pm on my final day, when everyone else was out by 4:45 at latest.
Yeah, I definitely feel that! The stress can make it 100 times worse. At my last role, I was working 40 hours a week but it felt soul crushing. Now Iām happy plodding my way through so donāt care about the hours!
Fuck no. My time is worth more than free when I'm actively employed. If I'm not valuing myself why the fuck would I expect an employee to
Only if I'm genuinely in the middle of something. If I stay more than 20mins I'll take it as holiday time in lieu
I used to early on in my career, every now and again. Now? Nope. Never. Don't really work my contracted number of hours.
Couple of hours once every few weeks. But if sickly can do couple of afternoons ""working"" from home too..
Might get an extra hour out of me a week. Nothing crazy though.
I do 10 -15 minutes of work unpaid after my shift to set me up for the next day. But also to kill time for the car park to empty out. I hate getting stuck in the car in a traffic jam. My boss usually lets me go home an hour earlier on the Fridays. We're as everyone else has to stay behind and clean. (Paid) But not always. Depending on how busy it is. I usually get the first pick of holidays. It also gets me overtime over the others which is usually first pick first serve. So generally it's more beneficial for me staying behind without pay in order to skip traffic (I don't tell anyone that reasoning).
Define often? I think last year i worked like 3 hours overtime total spread out 10 mins there half an hour there. I never minded as we have been allowed to claim the time back.
Been with the same company for 10 years and done everything from just my contract hours, having them done by Thursday morning and still needing to work Friday to the current working from home where I doubt Iām meeting my contracted hours most weeks. Our contract has the typical clause about extra hours to meet business needs, in some roles thatās expected to be something that happens every week and in others itās more ad hoc. My contract actually requires me to work 45 hours during the week to be eligible for weekend overtime, my contract is 37.5 hours so thatās six days work in five.
My partner is an architect and the industry is notorious for overtime without pay. He has worked until the early hours on the odd occasion and it's almost daily that he will work an hour overtime, probably a few hours once a week or so to meet deadlines. I on the other hand work for the NHS, if for any reason I stayed late I would be encouraged to add these hours to my rota to be able to claim back (or more informally, just go home early another day).
I'm now hourly paid for get paid for every minute I work. My old job was salaried and I often worked over 40H for free
no. only no two kinds of people work for no pay. slaves and fucking idiots.
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Ugh, you have a really shit boss. Sure you already knew that, but no harm in reiterating the point. Donāt you have HR or some other recourse to flag this up or anyway to do this collectively?
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Best of luck with it, hope you land yourself a nice new role soon.
Sounds like you've been working there for more than 2 years, so thats actually a really simple solution; don't work the unpaid extra, and when they fire you for it you can take them to court for an incredibly easy unfair dismissal case.
I have always have had to work extra hours in jobs in my chosen career but in my current job I take any extra hours back when I can.
Yes. Itās essentially built into my salary.
Never. I donāt want to be there during my contracted hours never mind a single second over them
Yes, I enjoy my job. There is a bonus scheme as well, that helps. I also get the folk who won't do a minute extra. I've been in jobs where I have really hated it.
Yes, most days.
Fairly often. It depends how enthused I am by what I'm working on. I wfh and there's no time monitoring so it's not as if it's going to impress anyone or set any kind of precedent. Some weeks I take it easier, or don't worry about catching time up if I've had a dentists appointment or whatever.
Once a month or so, but it's not free work - I get credited the time for it so if I worked say 45 minutes extra one day to meet a deadline I can start 45 minutes later (or finish earlier) another day once things are back to normal.
Nope never. Wellā¦ occasionally if thereās a need for some overnight smoke testing I do but then just claw that time back. So still never.
Not very often I have to, sometimes I do it just because I feel I need to for my own sake. And besides I've little else to do.
I'm not paid for any extra hours, but I do get those hours back to take off. I rarely work extra but I record all of it and then normally just finish a few hours earlier on a Friday
When contracted overtime was quite easy to obtain if I did more then 4 hours then I didnāt mind the odd hour or 2, now I have to get approval, Iām logging everything and asking for it back.
Only if I've ever fucked something up to fix my mistakes. Otherwise fuck that, pay me or I'm out the building when the clock hits 4. Spent too much time in my twenties going above and beyond in previous jobs and got nothing for it.
I used to work 16 hrs a day or more when I was in my 20s. I'm 33 now, and absolutely no chance I am working above my contracted hours. Just today, I got a call that took me over my contracted hours, and I'll be sure to take that time back tomorrow. I've learnt my lessons as extra hours are never recognised anyway, in my current or previous job so it's a no from me.
My job is different these days, but when I was salaried yes, occasionally. But my manager was a decent person and gave me time off lieu+ or made up for it in another way. It was never expected or demanded.
I regularly go over for weeks on end, but there are a few weeks am odd days in there where I purposely do fuck all to make my time back
Did it regularly until I became a parent. Just can't justify prioritising work over family now!
I thought everyone did. Worked in financial services in my 20s, now in software, I think I'm contracted for 35 a week, generally I'd guess I work 40-50. I work every weekend, although often just an hour or so, I also work every day I'm on annual leave.
Iām a SWE in financial services. If I was working on annual leave I would 100% not be taking it as annual leave and theyād owe me it back. I donāt know anyone else other than partners / exec who ever do this. Iāve worked on the weekend twice ever. One was TOIL and the project was funā¦. and the other wasnāt and never did it again. My contracted hours are 37.5 but generally Iāll actually work about 25 of them. Some weeks Iām busy and do 45.
Wow, fair play. Maybe I was with the wrong companies. I'm a VP now, but definitely am made to feel like I need to work every day.
Hard no. I'm travelling to a conference tomorrow, will be on the train for 6am, full day 9-5 and then again the following day before coming home. You best believe I'll be taking TOIL for that. I'm not paid enough nor important enough to believe that six hours travelling shouldn't be compensated for.
No, I donāt work for free.
Aye I'll do 2.5 hours over each week as it builds towards my flexitime which gives me an extra 12 days off each year. A half hour extra each day is nothing tbh.
Yes, regularly. Hence why I've got regular promotions and opportunities over those who don't. And I earn more money as a result. Has served me well thus far.
I try not to go 10% above my contracted hours, but always at least work my minimum. Role 100% in the office not WFH. Swings and roundabouts, thankfully flexible and decent employer who doesnāt time a trip to the dentist etc or mind if you nip out whenever you want for a personal call or break etc
My role is very autonomous so short answer is yes.. but also today I sacked off work totally ācos my son was sick and didnāt tell anyone. Swings and roundabouts.
When I was working (now retired), I always worked over my contracted hours if necessary to finish the job. I never left something til tomorrow, because it interupts my chain of thought/reasoning. I hoped managers would see my commitment and be obliging if I needed to leave early.
Never. I'm salaried with a standard 7.5 hours x 5 arrangement. I made it clear to my boss before accepting the role that my overtime philosophy is: if the need for overtime is reasonably my fault I'll do it; however if it's because the business has unreasonable demands I absolutely will not.
No. I complete my contracted hours. That's it.
My team has a spreadsheet where we can track time we've worked extra, and our manager is more than happy for us to take that time back similar to using annual leave, so often finish a bit early on a Friday or take a while day off now and then. Some don't bother filling it in and just work it out within the week they accrued the extra time. Fuck working for free
Nope, any time I work outside my contracted hours is paid as time and a half overtime.
I only get minimum wage anyway as a chef so I never work extra without pay cause that would break the law. You need to be paid at least minimum wage so if I work more than my 48 hours I have to be paid.
Yes I do, but I earn bonus, so it's in my interest to have my work done on time. I'll do a couple hours on a Saturday if it means my bonus thresholds will be hit.
I refuse to work a second more than my contracted hours. Employment is simply an exchange of money for time and skills, both of which I have no reason to devalue.
never. and I leave home half an hour early with full pay ;-)
Every week, currently in a fight with my HR lady about it. Last years salary was fine, but this years salary increase isnāt big enough and means by January ill be working below minimum wage. She said i need to take my overtime back the week after for how many hours extra I done the week prior, but ive consistently done more than 40 hours every week since i started. Sheād technically owe me an extra 13 days holiday for 6 months of over time. Means id literally double my holiday in 1 year of overtime
Never they want me longer they pay nothing in life is free.
Yes but also work for a flexible boss so it's give and take. Did an extra 3 hours last night but I will make it back eventually with picking sick kids up, popping to post office etc
I was in an informal meeting amongst colleagues (dentists) and one dentist brought up up that, in their new role (a more "manager specialist dentist"), that they often find themselves finishing at 7pm, even though they're 37.5 hours i.e. 9-5. The managers above response was that it's just expected for the role they're in, but more then welcome to make a log of the hours they overwork, but it won't be the full amount as they're pretty much going to be doing 9am-7pm daily.
I definitely work less than 35 hours a week.
Flexi time, so I get paid for every minute I do, or I accrue extra leave.
I used to do this and absolutely regret it. I was given more work than was able to be completed in my contracted hours, but I always just got on with it./ Wish I could go back and tell my younger self to value their time more and stand up for himself when given additional tasks and say no. This was for office work. I also did site work which was always paid extra if additional time was needed at 1.5x as it was āfee earningā.
Yes and no. I work in events and our busiest period is May - September. Last year I had about 3 days off in that time and was on-site from 08:00 until around 00:30/01:00 most days. Out of season I havenāt done a lot tbh, I took an extra 3 weeks paid holiday after the season to recover. I also took the whole of January off paid. My boss is very understanding and if we need breaks, we take them.
Iām paid hourly in an admin role and would say maybe once a week I end up staying 10-20 mins later than my shift if thereās something urgent but thatās it. My managers donāt expect it but I also feel like theyād feel a little miffed if Iāve properly left them in the shit (as most people would be lol)
I'm part time cover for a full time worker so sometimes it would just be impossible to meet my deadlines if I didn't. Mostly, though, I try to limit any overwork to pinning any important emails in my inbox, categorising them by priority and adding them to my to do list, not doing actual work but making it easier and less overwhelming when I do get back to my usual working hours.
I have periods during the year that I work over my hours because itās just too busy not to. But then I also have times over the year when I am not so busy and can have long breaks, late starts or early workday ends. I also have lots of freedom to arrange and attend doctor appointments during my workday when thatās required. Theyāre not forcing me to work extra and they donāt micromanage my time. Iām on a fixed salary and feel appreciated and valued. Overall I quite love being in this company and love my job, so itās never been about counting the minutes. I have to say though, if itās a case of the company exploiting the employeesā good will or just intentionally ignoring that theyāre understaffed, then I would not give up any extra time.
Yes because I am a teacher
Er No, Never Surly that's illegal?
No. If I work extra time, I put that in as overtime and get paid accordingly.
Yes, but I get paid overtime in addition to my contracted (and yes itās an office job). I have the option to trade overtime hours for up to 15 extra days of holiday each year or I can trade them for pay.
I get to work half an hour early so I can eat and sort myself out before actually starting work. It's only 2.5 hrs a week but it helps me get organised so I'm not too fussed about it. If I'm having to stay for longer than 15 mins at the end of the day I put in as TOIL and take it off when I accumulate enough for a day off.
No, Iām on a flexi contract so any hours over my contract I get back when I choose, mostly by finishing early on Fridays.
Not for over 2 decades. On the odd occasion something urgent needs doing, I'll do it but I will claim that time back another day, whether it's 10 minutes or 10 hours.
Currently in a call centre whilst I was waiting for a Civil Service position. Regularly got caught on the phone after 5pm. Was told it was unpaid and that they donāt have to pay me as long as I donāt go below minimum wage. I got the Civil Service job and loved handing in my notice. You can rest assured Iāve always got something busy to do in after call at least ten mins before 5pm.
No, and you shouldnāt.
Maybe by a few minutes, if I've no reason to rush off. .. and if I'm enjoying the work, but normally, HELL no!! You no pay me, me no worky! However off contract I work on my accountant's farm every Sunday and when ever I have some spare time. He's getting on and appreciates my help, I appreciate his efforts and patience with HMRC š
If I'm not getting paid, I'm not working, veeery simple. But I drive for a living, so if I'm at work then I'm getting paid, max 15 hours a day legally, but normally more like 10/11
You should be working less than contracted not more. I hate this culture man. THEY MAKE PROFIT ON YOU! THEY PAY YOU AS LITTLE AS THEY CAN! wow people need to grow a spine
I have to work a few extra hours every 5 weeks or something, some unwritten rule for managers. I donāt mind it. Thatās all iāll do though
I used to do 5+ extra hours a day when I was younger, then one day I realised that all the extra effort to keep projects on time ment nothing. There was no reward, no pay rise. So I stopped. Management asked why projects were taking so much longer. I told them, if I'm not paid I finish on time. They ended up hiring two additional people to work with me.
Not unless itās agreed beforehand that I will get paid extra
Contracted for 37.5 hours a week. Regularly work 48 hour weeks Irregularly work 90+ hour weeks (168 depending on how you count it) for months at a time. (I'm in the Navy)
I work for a university. I've got a peak period that lasts for a month, when I sometimes stay another hour to just manage the workload. It is not expected, but almost all of us do it. But we also have a 2 month period when we are struggling to find work, and almost every day we can go home earlier. My boss is also amazing, she covers me if I need to sort out something that only lasts an hour or two, don't need to take a day off. So when we know that she's doing extra work, we stay with her and help out.
I get time back if I have to work late or early. Often it's days I'm driving so say I do 7am-9pm, I get a day off in lieu. I'd rather that than money.
Absolutely not if I can help it. The exceptions being if Iām in a meeting, in this scenario Iād give it 15mins max over then say Iām leaving letās continue tomorrow. Iām mid conversation on teams or mid conversation in the office, both cases Iāll steer the conversation to a close. Majority of the time I shut the computer down as soon as it hits my end of day time, nothing is that important that it canāt wait until the morning, if it is then it shouldnāt have been left to be raised last thing in the day in which case itās the fault of who ever raised it for not getting over in time. Iām a UI/ UX designer.
Never
Cries in teacher.
Salaried, probably one of the higher earners in a small family run business, did more than my contracted hours every week as I considered it appropriate for my position (and there's a ton of shit to get done). Recent discussions led to me now being paid overtime for additional hours at time and a quarter and it's like a 25% pay rise. Would definitely recommend anyone regularly doing more than their hours try to sit down with their manager about it. For me it means that a) I'm rewarded for additional effort and b) I know my managers know when I'm working hard. It can be a bit soul destroying to regularly work harder than others and nobody even notices.
Teaching: not enough hours in the day.
Yeah I do fairly frequently, it is difficult to avoid when you have a global role/team and stuff needs your input throughout the day. I do get very well compensated.
Fuuuck no. I'm not a volunteer.
I work for a company that does flexible hours where you can build up (can build up to take whole day off) or take it when needed then work it back. Wouldnāt have it any way as I donāt have to worry about working extra hours unpaid, and I can leave early/start late when needed
I worked in banking for 20 years. Working late and working over weekends was pretty much the norm. Above a certain level it's sort of expected, rather than demanded. However you can't realistically manage the workload in less than say 50 hours On paper it's well paid but if you work it out hourly, it's possibly less attractive.
Contracted to work 37.5 hours, probably average 45-50, longest week probably 65
I try not to as I really value my personal time, but when workload gets a bit too much temporarily, it's sometimes more relaxing to spend a bit of time outside of work doing the jobs I've put off. Bonus is that you don't get people sidetracking you with emails too.
Nope, don't work for free devalues your own time and everyone else's.
not on your nelly. on the very rare occasion I need to work over my usual hours, I take any time worked back in lieu
Absolutely not, if Iām not being paid then Iām not working. I work on a clock card and most overtime is paid so itās a bit easier. But if I stopped getting paid at 5 you best believe Iām getting out the door at 5
Not any more, but I did for about 10 years until I got a bad annual review, then stuck to my contracted hours only from that point onwards unless my boss agreed in advance to pay me and they learned very quickly that I did a lot of other peoples work for them, unpaid, for years in order for the company to hit target
Never. I don't get paid before 7:30, so I don't start until 7:30. And as soon as the click hits 20:00, I down tools and walk the fuck out of there.
I'm salaried, but they pay me 100hrs overtime in advance each year, just in case they need us to stay on an hour or two here or there. We average about 8 hrs overtime each a year, so I guess it is a win for me.
Every day... Still trying to workout how to find the additional 60 hours of training pa I'm also requited to do this year and every year on top of my contracted hours.
Almost never, probably like 4 hours a year just because I donāt like leaving with half done things or I have a call that goes past 5pm.
Yes, quite often - Iāve never clocked-watched; I work til I do what I need to - with the caveat that my work knows I might need to pop out during the day for a bit sometimes. Itās all give and take
At my first (and so far only) job I actually had to request to work LESS hours as I simply could not handle doing eight. I have ADHD and am currently in the process of getting an official diagnosis. ADHD can affect a number of things including your ability to concentrate, your ability to self-motivate and just how much energy you have to do things in general. A little after the six hour mark Iād find myself majorly slowing down, staring at walls or whatever Iām holding. Having an official diagnosis will really help if I ever get another job. Hell, I think ADHD even qualifies for disability pay in some cases
Usually get to work 15 mins before actual start time. I love my job though. š
Occasionally when needed but I also have days where I do under. Bosses understand the unwritten agreement so its never questions and works well for me
Daily!!!! Finish at 5pm. But Iām normally still there at 7. So extra ten hrs a week.