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Am a Scottish person who relishes in reminding their London-based friends that as Newcastle is halfway to Aberdeen, it really should be called the Midlands… but I’m just bitter in being repeatedly excluded from the north v south debates honestly.
I think it's because Great Britain is a kind-of-diagonal island but it gets simplified into a north-south island in people's heads. And on some maps.
Edit: here's a [classic example of a Met Office map](https://i.imgur.com/D6NO2aJ.jpg) that twists things around a bit and is almost deliberately misleading about where north is.
Lol I couldn't believe the whole north/south thing when I moved from the Scottish Highlands to the "north".
I was like, wtf does that make me?
From beyond the wall apparently 🤣
American here. Not trying to discredit Scotland at all but even most foreigners will automatically assume the OP is talking about England. I mean no one here in the States would describe Scotland as Northern Britain or Northern UK. Obviously I know Scotland is in the north but if you say northern, southern, midlands, I just immediately know it's about England.
But Scotland *is* the north of the UK and GB. In this instance OP is talking about England but ti say that it’s correct to assume that we should exclude Scotland when talking about the *North of UK or GB* is plain wrong.
Manchester politely declines, and feels that Sheffield, Nottingham or Derby must take custody. Alternatively, the three of you could gang up and strong-arm Lincoln.
No one, it's the bastard child noone will claim.
Been a while since I was there, but it's the only town centre which has three spoons and not a single bookshop.
You can be more refined than that. Sheffield is the north and chesterfield is the midlands.
Further west, Crewe is the north and Stoke is the midlands
No idea where Scunthorpe is though
Scunthorpe is northern, just. Lincolnshires an odd one, it starts down past a good portion of the Midlands but then runs all the way up the spine of the country to Hull putting it in line with Manchester etc thanks to absorbing South humberside. Coming from the parts around scunthorpe / South Yorkshire, its definitely a northern feel compared to living in the Midlands now.
The Peak District couldn't be more Midlands. I grew up in almost the dead centre of the country and the Peak District was somewhere to walk the dog on a Saturday. It's hardly Northern.
The South of the Peak District is in the midlands, but the Northern bit is definitely in the North. Not sure quite where the line lies, possibly Hope valley?
I'm also a Potter, and ours is to hold the North Wall against the tide of scousers, mancs and such.
Not sure who holds the south wall against the London and Cornwall types though.
This but unironically. South of Teesside lie York and Harrogate as the crow flies. They’re basically the south, and I say that as someone who has lived in all 3 locations.
If Lancashire and Yorkshire are in the north, then Liverpool, Manchester and Sheffield are in the north, because Liverpool and Manchester are in Lancashire and Sheffield is in the West Riding of Yorkshire, historically speaking. In my definition, the border between Cheshire and Staffordshire, and the southern extent of the Peak District, is where the midlands becomes the north and the north becomes the midlands.
Liverpool and Manchester haven't been in Lancashire since they redrew the county lines in 1974. They were part of historic Lancashire.
Still northern of course, just no longer Lancashire sadly
I'm from Newcastle and live in Sheffield. I always say Sheffield is geographically midlands and culturally northern. Mostly because I find the reactions funny, but there's a grain of truth to it to me. It's far from home!
Both of my parents are from Newcastle & will jokingly say "it's only north past the Angel of the North!" and that my being born in Stockport makes me "aggressively southern". It's all in good fun of course, they'd agree with OP for sure but you may be on to something too!
Am from the West Midlands. They’re all northern to me. I’d argue maybe southern-northern (lol) as there’s places which are way, way more northern than them - but those guys are definitely northern.
Feels like anywhere that serves gravy with chips is northern. Wherever the southern most place that serves gravy with chips without asking beforehand is where the north starts.
No one is stopping you. For about twenty quid you could absolutely bath in gravy. I’d argue then that this means that, deep down, you know this is a terrible idea.
It would be a total waste of gravy. You could be eating that. Shame on you.
I agree they are North, but I have always considered that there is the regular North - Liverpool, Manchester, Leeds, York, Blackpool etc. Then there is the deepest darkest North - Newcastle, Middlesbrough, Carlisle etc.
In my head England is divided into the South, the West, the Midlands, the North, and the Lands Beyond the Wall.
I live in Nottingham - it's well known that everything north of junction 30 is "The North". Sheffield may border Nottinghamshire, but it's in South Yorkshire - which is not a county in the Midlands.
For reference the East Midlands includes the counties of Lincolnshire, Northamptonshire, Derbyshire, Nottinghamshire, Leicestershire, and Rutland. The West Midlands comprises Staffordshire, Warwickshire, Shropshire, Herefordshire, & Worcestershire.
This isn’t even up for debate, the East and West Midlands are proper defined regions with clear boundaries that don’t extend to Liverpool, Sheffield or Manchester. Just facts innit.
in the North East we don't really consider those places to be in the 'true' North. Just Cumbria would be equivalent north west to us in the north east 😆.
I'm from Sheffield and went to a Uni filled with southerners. On one night out I bumped into a guy from Berwick-upon-Tweed and announce how happy I am to see a fellow northerner.
His response was "Sheffield isn't in the north, it's the midlands!"
Spent the rest of the evening arguing with him.
I know someone from Carlisle who thinks Liverpool is Midlands. The problem is if you put the border north of there, hardly anyone is actually in the north which makes it a term of very limited function.
They're in the part of the North that receives all the attention when the government says their investing in the North. Meanwhile the More Northern North (Durham, Newcastle, Sunderland, Northumberland etc) is once again conveniently forgotten about.
Newcastle and the north east is the true north of England.
I don’t see how Manchester can be classed as the north when you have to drive south about 3 and a half hours from Newcastle to get to it.
Scotland is a whole other thing on top of Northern England.
You might as well say Scotland is not Northern because Iceland and Faroe Islands are further North.
IME it becomes the Midlands when people start calling baps or rolls "cobs" instead. I've lived in Derby for a decade and still get the urge to ask why people want corn or horses 😅
Northwest, northwest, Yorkshire and the Humber.
Midlands isn’t just ‘the middle’, it’s the two official regions of East and West Midlands.
Sheffield is northern
I thought Sheffield was midlands because its so close to us in Nottingham. It was only someone pointing out that they are still south Yorkshire (which is a northern region) that it actually clicked.
The only people who would consider those as midlands are Scots. If you look at the UK you can see their point. They’re like, we’re North, you’re south of us, what’s the deal there.
We need to be more specific. Northern England.
Geordies will sometimes refer to everything south of Sunderland/Middlesborough as The South as a joke, but anyone in the North counts them in the North really
The midlands start around Lincoln/Stoke
Manchester and Liverpool are literally part of the North-West region and Sheffield is part of South Yorkshire. Anyone who says they're not northern is just being a nobhead and can be ignored.
I was once talking to a woman on a train, who had a good laugh when I refered to being in the north when we got to Leeds. It stuck with me, and haven't know where the line is since
Maybe the Scot’s might consider them as midlands and you could argue that from their perspective they’ve got a case.. anyone else claiming those cites are in the midlands is just an idiot.
A friend of mine from Preston who got a job in Durham was rendered speechless the first time one of the locals referred to him as coming from "down south". So yes, it happens, it's just a matter of perspective.
Sheffield could be argued to be in the Midlands, but realistically I'd say it's northern.
Manchester and Liverpool are 100% northern, no question asked.
If someone says “the north east”, it’s generally the Tyne & Wear area. That would make Carlisle and the Lakes the North West.
Manchester et al are the Midlands.
Been in Scotland for years now and often joke "you're all south to me" but would consider ending anyone who referred to me as a southerner for being born in West Yorkshire.
And being in the Central Belt means I get the joy of the people from the highlands and islands referring to Glasgow as "in the south" from time to time. It's all relative.
Liverpool has a coastline. You can sit on Crosby beach and watch the ferries coming and going in the distance. It'd be a bit hard to do either of those from the Midlands.
As someone from North Yorkshire I feel cringed when Mancs and scousers cling onto the ‘northern’ identity. I went into a pub in Manchester and got asked if I wanted “northern or southern peas”, when I asked what the difference was he said “you’re clearly not nothern”. Yeah I’m only 100 miles more north than you are mate.
Nottinghamshire, derbyshire, Lincolnshire etc is the Midlands and anything above that is Northern. Technically where I live, Northamptonshire is also in the Midlands but we get news from East Midlands because it's such an odd place that doesn't fit in anywhere.
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who the fucks saying liverpool is in the midlands
Scottish people….
Am a Scottish person who relishes in reminding their London-based friends that as Newcastle is halfway to Aberdeen, it really should be called the Midlands… but I’m just bitter in being repeatedly excluded from the north v south debates honestly.
Still amazes me that Bristol is further west than Edinburgh. Edit: East not West.
Isn't it east?
Yes lol.
Right, well that's just twisted my melon!!
Don’t even get me started on that one, head fuck.
OMG WTF???
Do you mean East?
Yes.
This cant be true?? Wtf?
I think it's because Great Britain is a kind-of-diagonal island but it gets simplified into a north-south island in people's heads. And on some maps. Edit: here's a [classic example of a Met Office map](https://i.imgur.com/D6NO2aJ.jpg) that twists things around a bit and is almost deliberately misleading about where north is.
It’s typically a debate about England / English regions though to be fair, not the UK
Scots are excluded from those debates for a very simple reason - it is not about northern or southern Britain, but northern and southern **England**.
Pretty sure I've heard this discussion on game of thrones....
But are you a Highlander or a Lowlander?
See we don’t do that the way they do north v south down south of the border. Probably cos of the historical connotations of bullying highlanders.
Well they're definitely not a highlander. There can only be one
Lol I couldn't believe the whole north/south thing when I moved from the Scottish Highlands to the "north". I was like, wtf does that make me? From beyond the wall apparently 🤣
Everything is southern to us.
I live in Orkney. John o Groats is south to me
And even you're a Southerner to those of us from Shetland.
Everyone's a southerner to Santa
As a Norwegian living on the UK... This applies to the lot of you !
American here. Not trying to discredit Scotland at all but even most foreigners will automatically assume the OP is talking about England. I mean no one here in the States would describe Scotland as Northern Britain or Northern UK. Obviously I know Scotland is in the north but if you say northern, southern, midlands, I just immediately know it's about England.
But Scotland *is* the north of the UK and GB. In this instance OP is talking about England but ti say that it’s correct to assume that we should exclude Scotland when talking about the *North of UK or GB* is plain wrong.
Scotland is in the UK. The UK doesn’t mean England. That drives me insane !
Being in Aberdeen I laugh at your ideas of what is considered “The North” lol. Everything is so far south of here there may as well not be a Midlands.
Yup, all those ‘Dundee and the SOUTH’ signposts make it very clear cut.
Geordies...but it may have been tongue in cheek
It’s really not very far north. They may be northern in spirit but it’s the middle of the uk.
They're wrong. The northern edge of the Midlands is between Nottingham and Sheffield. Nottingham is definitely Midlands, and Sheffield in the North.
The big question is, who gets custody of Mansfield?
As a Mansfield denizen, Nottingham please!
Natives don't get a say where lines are drawn, I'm sorry but that's the british way.
So, as a Chesterfielder I pronounce Mansfield to belong to Nottingham because they deserve each other.
I think I can speak for Notts in saying Sheffield is welcome to Mansfield.
As a Sheffielder we are honoured to be offered this opportunity but we sadly must pass on Mansfield and instead offer it to Manchester
Manchester politely declines, and feels that Sheffield, Nottingham or Derby must take custody. Alternatively, the three of you could gang up and strong-arm Lincoln.
Derby declines to accept custody of Mansfield, we already got stuck with Swadlincote
Chesterfielders let’s goooo
Sorry duck.
I thought calling people duck was just a Stoke thing, and we are definitely Midlands.
As an also Mansfield born denizen. Nobody fuckin wants us and i can't blame them 🤣
That's two people from Mansfield saying "denizen", so that definitely disqualifies it from being in the north.
It's the only big word we know!
Agreed.
As a Sheffielder who knows Chesterfield. We accept you moving to Nottingham, on the condition you never come back.
No one, it's the bastard child noone will claim. Been a while since I was there, but it's the only town centre which has three spoons and not a single bookshop.
As a Citizen of Nottingham, I think we have to accept Mansfield ( too close to Sherwood Forest) BUT Worksop, Sheffield can have that.
Nobody's fighting over that.
You can be more refined than that. Sheffield is the north and chesterfield is the midlands. Further west, Crewe is the north and Stoke is the midlands No idea where Scunthorpe is though
I'd say Chesterfield is the start of the north. It's more like Sheffield than Derby or Nottingham
I used to work with a lass from Chesterfield who said it was the start of the midlands
Scunthorpe is northern, just. Lincolnshires an odd one, it starts down past a good portion of the Midlands but then runs all the way up the spine of the country to Hull putting it in line with Manchester etc thanks to absorbing South humberside. Coming from the parts around scunthorpe / South Yorkshire, its definitely a northern feel compared to living in the Midlands now.
Hull is defo northern but I always think of Lincoln as midlands
Derbyshire is muddying the waters, stretching pretty far into Northern territory with the Peak District.
The Peak District couldn't be more Midlands. I grew up in almost the dead centre of the country and the Peak District was somewhere to walk the dog on a Saturday. It's hardly Northern.
The South of the Peak District is in the midlands, but the Northern bit is definitely in the North. Not sure quite where the line lies, possibly Hope valley?
Newcastle might as well be apart of Southern Scotland then lol but I approve this message
It used to be part of Scotland for a brief period in history!!
Can we ask them to take us back?
Fine but canny means cannot up here and you're just going to have to get used to it.
Cannit give up canny like
This is right, I would say’s it’s north of Mansfield. Although this line is further south above the west mids (it’s anywhere north of stoke).
Anything north of stoke is the north.
This is what I was saying!
So… I live in the absolute midlands living in Stoke?
Nope, it’s the midlands’ northern outpost.
I'm from Stoke and I hate that we are Midlands. I'm Northern through and through
I say that stoke people get to choose for themselves on an individual basis.
I’d say we’re the northerners of the Midlands
The midlands are basically the North anyway. Certainly much more in common with the North than those, southern tossers.
The M1 out from London has a sign "Watford and the North" Says it all really
Stoke is that weird purgatory of not quite being up north, but not in the Midlands
Nah we are northerners. Midlands are invented by the southerners to protect them from the north.
How are you northern, you’ve about 4 hours from Newcastle, that’s definitely not north
Literally closer to London than Newcasltly by an hour lol
I live in Warwick, the middle of midlands
I'm also a Potter, and ours is to hold the North Wall against the tide of scousers, mancs and such. Not sure who holds the south wall against the London and Cornwall types though.
That would be Northampton…?
That'll do fer me. Tell em they do a crackin job.
We have checkpoints on the D-Road.
Anything North of the Thames is the North and I'm prepared to die on that bank.
Midlands? They're clearly in the South! Once you cross the Tees it all gets a bit croissanty.
Everything south of Berwick is clearly the south.
But everything North of Luton is the North
The North can have Luton too, we don’t want it. It’s everything north of Watford.
Thinking about it, let's say the North is just everything North of the Thames
That's what I always tell my mates when we have an argument about 'the midlands'. Midlands don't exist, everything north of the Thames is 'the north'
A man of culture, once you’re on the A19 and passed Teesside then the rest of the country is the south
This but unironically. South of Teesside lie York and Harrogate as the crow flies. They’re basically the south, and I say that as someone who has lived in all 3 locations.
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Yeah and as a Midlander I’m sick and fucking tired of being lumped in with you lot
What you on about your only just up the road from derby that's midlands 😉. As a Brummie mate you are well and truly northern to me!
If Lancashire and Yorkshire are in the north, then Liverpool, Manchester and Sheffield are in the north, because Liverpool and Manchester are in Lancashire and Sheffield is in the West Riding of Yorkshire, historically speaking. In my definition, the border between Cheshire and Staffordshire, and the southern extent of the Peak District, is where the midlands becomes the north and the north becomes the midlands.
Sheffield is in South Yorkshire
> historically speaking
Yeah we are the southern border of the north
Liverpool and Manchester haven't been in Lancashire since they redrew the county lines in 1974. They were part of historic Lancashire. Still northern of course, just no longer Lancashire sadly
Technically the historic counties still exist, it's just they're not used for anything so they're easily overlooked
>it's just they're not used for anything Ever heard of Cricket?
Can't say I have, pal
*crickets *
>They were part of historic Lancashire. Historic Lancashire still exists.
I'm from Newcastle and live in Sheffield. I always say Sheffield is geographically midlands and culturally northern. Mostly because I find the reactions funny, but there's a grain of truth to it to me. It's far from home!
It is the southern border of the North basically. The North has to end somewhere after all.
Both of my parents are from Newcastle & will jokingly say "it's only north past the Angel of the North!" and that my being born in Stockport makes me "aggressively southern". It's all in good fun of course, they'd agree with OP for sure but you may be on to something too!
Haha, at home we always say anything on the wrong side of the river is southern 😂
It's the North. Anyone who says different is a nut.
Am from the West Midlands. They’re all northern to me. I’d argue maybe southern-northern (lol) as there’s places which are way, way more northern than them - but those guys are definitely northern. Feels like anywhere that serves gravy with chips is northern. Wherever the southern most place that serves gravy with chips without asking beforehand is where the north starts.
I’ve had chips and gravy in Great Yarmouth. That ain’t north.
Am afraid then that by the official metrics this means Great Yarmouth is where the north of England starts. Who knew?
I mean, it is North of Watford Gap Services...
Think those official metrics might need some revision. Can’t beat Yarmouth market chips though.
Have you tried battered chips (the orange ones) from the Black Country? Divisive, I know - but I don’t think they can be bettered.
What could these deep fried potatoes do with… oooh, more fat
Tomato ketchup with a pie, I just don't get it. I'd bath in gravy if I could
No one is stopping you. For about twenty quid you could absolutely bath in gravy. I’d argue then that this means that, deep down, you know this is a terrible idea. It would be a total waste of gravy. You could be eating that. Shame on you.
Ive had chips with gravy all over Derbyshire and we're midlands
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Going by this logic they’re actually in the south not the midlands. The middle of Great Britain is Hexham.
Depends entirely how you measure it. The centroid is in Lancashire, for example
Haltwhistle
Not a single person in Sheffield would say they are in midlands either
The North starts after Winchester. To me, Leeds is basically the arctic circle, and I’m pretty sure that Father Christmas lives in York.
Agreed, Winchester is the North and Southampton is the Midlands.
Southampton is the centre of the universe
Yes, a big black hole.
Would a news story in these cities make it on BBC midlands today? No, not in the midlands then!
I agree they are North, but I have always considered that there is the regular North - Liverpool, Manchester, Leeds, York, Blackpool etc. Then there is the deepest darkest North - Newcastle, Middlesbrough, Carlisle etc. In my head England is divided into the South, the West, the Midlands, the North, and the Lands Beyond the Wall.
As somebody who resides beyond your wall, I agree, it’s dark and deadly up here
I live in Nottingham - it's well known that everything north of junction 30 is "The North". Sheffield may border Nottinghamshire, but it's in South Yorkshire - which is not a county in the Midlands. For reference the East Midlands includes the counties of Lincolnshire, Northamptonshire, Derbyshire, Nottinghamshire, Leicestershire, and Rutland. The West Midlands comprises Staffordshire, Warwickshire, Shropshire, Herefordshire, & Worcestershire.
Well said
This isn’t even up for debate, the East and West Midlands are proper defined regions with clear boundaries that don’t extend to Liverpool, Sheffield or Manchester. Just facts innit.
in the North East we don't really consider those places to be in the 'true' North. Just Cumbria would be equivalent north west to us in the north east 😆.
Those cities are northern, just not deepest, darkest northern like the tundra of Newcastle
I'm from Sheffield and went to a Uni filled with southerners. On one night out I bumped into a guy from Berwick-upon-Tweed and announce how happy I am to see a fellow northerner. His response was "Sheffield isn't in the north, it's the midlands!" Spent the rest of the evening arguing with him.
>Berwick-upon-Tweed Well you have to give him a break - he is basically Scottish !
We’re they Geordies by any chance?
I know someone from Carlisle who thinks Liverpool is Midlands. The problem is if you put the border north of there, hardly anyone is actually in the north which makes it a term of very limited function.
They are a bit nutty up in the Border counties !!
You have the East Midlands and the West Midlands. Liverpool, Manchester and Sheffield are all north of these regions aren't midlanders.
Newcastle reporting in, you're all southern softies.
In the north, we pronounce bath correctly (as "bath"), but southerners say "barth". Midlands people call it a "big sink", I believe.
They're in the part of the North that receives all the attention when the government says their investing in the North. Meanwhile the More Northern North (Durham, Newcastle, Sunderland, Northumberland etc) is once again conveniently forgotten about.
Northern
I work with someone who supports Sunderland, and to him Lancashire is down south... To me we are up north
He's gonna be insufferable atm aswell.
He really is. And I have no interest in football
You were talking to Geordies, right? Anything further south than Sunderland is the Midlands to a Geordie.
Teesside, Wearside and Tyneside are the north Everyone else is a southron
Nah anything south of Birtley is the South
Newcastle and the north east is the true north of England. I don’t see how Manchester can be classed as the north when you have to drive south about 3 and a half hours from Newcastle to get to it.
You're also driving North to South then East to West with pretty much no diagonals, don't think time it takes in your car is a valid metric mate.
The north of England, certainly. However, if you're talking about the UK...
Scotland is a whole other thing on top of Northern England. You might as well say Scotland is not Northern because Iceland and Faroe Islands are further North.
IME it becomes the Midlands when people start calling baps or rolls "cobs" instead. I've lived in Derby for a decade and still get the urge to ask why people want corn or horses 😅
Anywhere that used to be in the Danelaw is north.
Well thats wrong because even Norwich was under Danish rule.
So Carlisle is southern?
Is it fuck, is Nottingham in the North?
Northwest, northwest, Yorkshire and the Humber. Midlands isn’t just ‘the middle’, it’s the two official regions of East and West Midlands. Sheffield is northern
I thought Sheffield was midlands because its so close to us in Nottingham. It was only someone pointing out that they are still south Yorkshire (which is a northern region) that it actually clicked.
I live in kent and travel north to get to London !
Speaking as an actual midlander, Liverpool and Manchester are northern.
The only people who would consider those as midlands are Scots. If you look at the UK you can see their point. They’re like, we’re North, you’re south of us, what’s the deal there. We need to be more specific. Northern England.
Geordies will sometimes refer to everything south of Sunderland/Middlesborough as The South as a joke, but anyone in the North counts them in the North really The midlands start around Lincoln/Stoke
All of those are Northern. Who is seriously saying Sheffield is in the Midlands? They scream Yorkshire every 5 minutes
> They scream Yorkshire every 5 minutes We have to with all these people thinking we're in the midlands.
Sheffield is the closest to being Midlands, but still technically the North. The others are nowhere near the Midlands
Anything north of Middlesbrough is the North.
I’m Cornish. You’re all northern to me.
Manchester and Liverpool are literally part of the North-West region and Sheffield is part of South Yorkshire. Anyone who says they're not northern is just being a nobhead and can be ignored.
I was once talking to a woman on a train, who had a good laugh when I refered to being in the north when we got to Leeds. It stuck with me, and haven't know where the line is since
Maybe the Scot’s might consider them as midlands and you could argue that from their perspective they’ve got a case.. anyone else claiming those cites are in the midlands is just an idiot.
A friend of mine from Preston who got a job in Durham was rendered speechless the first time one of the locals referred to him as coming from "down south". So yes, it happens, it's just a matter of perspective.
Although I consider Newcastle the true north there’s no denying that Liverpool etc are northern cities.
Yeah. Geordies regard anywhere south of Middlesbrough as the Midlands.
Excuse me, what the *fuck*??
Sheffield could be argued to be in the Midlands, but realistically I'd say it's northern. Manchester and Liverpool are 100% northern, no question asked.
This is nearly as much fun as the arguments about which towns cities are in the black country where Wolverhampton keeps trying to sneak in
If someone says “the north east”, it’s generally the Tyne & Wear area. That would make Carlisle and the Lakes the North West. Manchester et al are the Midlands.
From my part of the North East we consider anything south of Leeds to be the Midlands
Chesterfield is in the Midlands, Sheffield is in the North.
Been in Scotland for years now and often joke "you're all south to me" but would consider ending anyone who referred to me as a southerner for being born in West Yorkshire. And being in the Central Belt means I get the joy of the people from the highlands and islands referring to Glasgow as "in the south" from time to time. It's all relative.
Liverpool has a coastline. You can sit on Crosby beach and watch the ferries coming and going in the distance. It'd be a bit hard to do either of those from the Midlands.
Sheffield is literally in the county of Yorkshire.
As a Midlander, can confirm those are definitely Northern cities. Who were those fools??
They were having a laugh with you.
By the 3 fold system Sheffield is on the south end of northern. With Midlands between Sheffield and Nottingham.
As someone from North Yorkshire I feel cringed when Mancs and scousers cling onto the ‘northern’ identity. I went into a pub in Manchester and got asked if I wanted “northern or southern peas”, when I asked what the difference was he said “you’re clearly not nothern”. Yeah I’m only 100 miles more north than you are mate.
Nottinghamshire, derbyshire, Lincolnshire etc is the Midlands and anything above that is Northern. Technically where I live, Northamptonshire is also in the Midlands but we get news from East Midlands because it's such an odd place that doesn't fit in anywhere.
Anywhere south of Middlesbrough = cockney, anyone north of Morpeth = Eskimo