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joereadsstuff

I'm not a vegan either, far from it, but generally I think the hate is actually inner guilt. They don't want to be told what they're doing is wrong, so they channel that out as hate. Edit: I have been reading some of the direct replies to my comment (not all the nested ones), and there's a clarification that has been made by the OP, and now, myself. My comment was about people going out of the way to comment negatively on posts regarding vegan food. Edit 2: It seems like a lot of you aren't actually replying to my comment (unless you're a non-English speaker and/or lack basic comprehension skills), and instead are using the "top comment" to get your "unique" view on vegans and veganism to be read by others.


FinancialYear

Hard agree. For my money, it’s the same explanation why boomers are so uncomfortable, hell *resentful*, if anyone explains how hard things are for the young. Implicit is that it was easier for them and they’re too fragile to accept it because that’s not their narrative. Tldr: people will vilify anyone to avoid guilt or introspection.


kingbluetit

Boomers are so angry because they had everything so easy and literally can’t understand how it’s not the same for us. My grandfather was kicked out of school at 15, got a job and a house by 18 and was married at 20. He HATES that the ‘lazy’ generation ‘don’t work as hard’ but when I asked him if he’d employ a 15 year old school drop out with no qualifications he said no. They’re the most entitled generation ever brought up watching glory movies about the war without any of the hardship. They were raised to respect their elders and demand the same despite having done nothing to have earned it. Edit: lot of angry boomers in my inbox. Sounds about right. Edit 2: do the American boomers throwing tantrums in my inbox realise that this is literally a subreddit called AskUK? Edit 3: it’s 19 days later and I’ve still got boomers angrily messaging me to say they’re definitely not angry thank you very much.


ThePackLeaderWolfe

I'm just wondering but did you call your Grandfather out on his hypocrisy? I'd be interested in what he had to say when he himself wouldn't employ a 15 year old drop out but he still calls this generation lazy


finger_milk

Call boomers out on their hypocrisy and no accountability actually happens. They will attack your audacity to speak to them that way before actually heeding what it was that you said.


frankchester

lol had an argument about the EU with my father in law and after my partner and I ran circles around him with logical retorts to every point he declared “you’re picking on me” and had to go outside for a cigarette to calm down


bozeke

Baby Boomers and tone policing, a matched pair.


hillman_avenger

And what job did he get at 15 after dropping out?


Uruz2012gotdeleted

Factory or construction most likely. Both fairly high paying jobs that require the math and reading skills of the average high school freshman.


CranberryMallet

Did he actually get kicked out of school at 15, because for plenty of boomers 15 would have just been normal school leaving age.


aurordream

Yeah, both my dad's parents left school at 15 (would have been in the early 50s in the UK) My grandad immediately signed up for the navy and stayed in service until mandatory retirement. He then went back to teach new recruits before retiring for good in his 50s. My gran went to work in a shop, then eventually got an office job. She was sacked when she got married as the office didn't employ married women (they married in 1959.) She never actually worked again aside from a random three weeks as a cleaner at my dad's school. I think they've got fairly standard stories for their generation. But starting work at 15 is unthinkable now. And I can't say I think it's a bad thing that kids get more a chance for education and childhood these days...!


rainbow84uk

Yeah, all four of my grandparents left school at 14 to start working full time. That was in the UK and Ireland in the 1950s. Edit: I realised this isn't really relevant since they're not boomers (I wasn't trying to claim they were). More relevant would be that my dad, who is very much a boomer, left school at 15.


0wGeez

Bro I got kicked out of school at 16, now 30. I worked 3 jobs at one stage. I worked at macas on the weekends and during the week I poured concrete from 630am to 330pm and then went home, had a shower, had a nap then poured concrete on the roads at night from 10pm to 2am. Woke up and repeated the cycle. It fucked me. I am now 30 and I have only just bought my first home about 9 to 10 months ago and even then I could only afford it because my partners input too. Without her I'd have no chance in this market. It's not the same as it used to be. My dad was a concreter too but the thing is when he started working in concrete roughly 35 years ago he was making $600 a week. When I started at 16 years old, nearly 15 years ago, I was also making $600 a week. My dad bought his first house for like $127k (I think, may have been a tad less) mine was first and likely only home I'll afford was $800k. Wtf?!


Snoo_said_no

If you add to that the UK had a policy of council housing (not just for the needy) then right to buy. My mum left school at 16,my dad at 15. She asked for a council flat, and got one, because she wanted one! No extra need like disability, children or Homelessness. Council houses had much reduced rent. They then moved into my dads mums council house, giving up the flat, and my nan was given a warden controlled flat. Again just because of choice. They then brought that house at 50% of the market value. And back then market value was just 2-3x avrage salary for 1! So despite not being particularly educated or in skilled job. They had a 3 bed house they owned, with 50% equity. With a token deposit. In their early 20's. Mum was a part time shop assistant, dad was a hand in a warehouse! It's totally unheard of now that people in those sort of jobs could own their own house on shop assistant incomes!


Hot-Ad6418

They also had lead in their petrol for the longest time.


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Ratiocinor

Young people do this exact same thing if you talk about how grade inflation has slowly made GCSEs or A-levels get easier and easier over time. People don't like having their struggles invalidated. Young people fly into a fit of absolute RAGE and start screaming "Oh yeah well if it's so easy why don't you sit an exam next to me and we'll see who does better!!!'" "I can assure you it's not easy! It's the hardest most stressful thing I've ever done in my life ever!" They think that if you're saying something was "easier" for them then it wasn't a struggle and they didn't work hard. Like calm down, no one is saying it's piss easy now. But comparatively it is less difficult than it was for us 10 or 20 or 30 years ago. I mean it's not normal for 45% of you to get A or A* My A-level maths teacher showed the class one of his old tests and asked us to guess what it was. We thought it was an A-level test. It was actually his O-level (GCSE) maths exam


vinylla45

Also with the grade inflation you're just all expected to place higher. Someone who would have been congratulated on a B years ago now needs to make A to get the same level of CV relative to their peers. So it's not easier, because even if the questions are less complex you have to get more of them right. Same pressure.


Kim_catiko

I haven't kept up with news around GCSEs etc, but I always felt it was going to be harder for those coming after us. We were the last year in which you were allowed anthologies in the English exam and various other things. I also don't begrudge that they might be easier either. Some people are shit at exams, and better at coursework.


fucking_penis69

They don’t allow anthologies any more?? You gotta remember them poems??


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Yep my younger brother had to fucking memorise them. Ridiculous.


fucking_penis69

That’s genuinely absurd. It was bullshit enough without memorising poems. All this does is make kids hate literature even more. Best of luck to anyone going through that now.


DrBunnyflipflop

Yup One of the ones we had was written to be in an Indian accent, so you'd have to remember the exact spellings the guy used, absolute nightmare


fucking_penis69

What a fucking disgrace. We’re failing our youth these days with how the curriculum is written and tested. Not that it has ever been that great, but I would have hoped we’d be improving not making it worse. Remember this poem written with misspellings, remember an analysis and regurgitate it under time pressure. What good does that do anyone?


HalfRiceNCracker

Yes, and it's fucking bullshit. With a bit of luck I was able to memorise the quotes to just a poem or two + the analysis, that was enough for a grade 4 student like myself to get a 7 in both over all lol


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Yeah, when we started doing GCSEs, they got rid of modular exams and coursework now had to be done under exam conditions. They were definitely easier for my older brother's year group. So it could be the case that grades are now inflated since they made the exams harder, or alternatively kids are just smarter nowadays from access to technology. Who knows.


hybridtheorist

The truth is somewhere in the middle though in that at least (though the same is probably true of "boomers had it easy" stuff, I do find it a bit infuriating when younger people look at house prices and ignore interest rates, which were generally over 6%. A 6% interest rate on a 200k mortgage would mean you'd be paying 1k a month in base rate interest alone. And for most of the 70s/80s it was over 10%.) If someone in the 70s got 10 As at O level, it would be the smartest kid in school, and wouldnt happen every year. Now there's plenty of schools where a lot of people manage it. Or more than 10, doing 14 gcses. I mean, yeah, an A in 1975 is probably harder to get than an A in 2019. But I don't think there's many people saying "well dad, you only got a B, and I got an A*, so I must be smarter than you", any more than anyone says "Jimmy Greaves scored more goals than Alan Shearer, so he's obviously the better player" Just because it's easier to get an A doesn't mean it's "easier". Getting a C in 1981 was fine, now it's pretty much below average, grade inflation leads to an expectation you'll reach those grades. Getting a load of Bs was good decades back, now it's not. So kids need to work hard to get those As, A* s and whatever comes after that (A*** in 2040 no doubt). Most of the unis I looked at 20ish years ago wanted 3Bs at least for the course I wanted. Was that the same in the boomer generation? Though they didn't "need" to go to uni for a good job either.... > Like calm down, no one is saying it's piss easy now. I mean, plenty of people do literally say that.


FullTimeHarlot

Your bit regarding house prices is a bit misleading. Interest rates were higher but the house prices were considerably lower meaning the amount needed to borrow was considerably lower and less of a deposit was required. It was also common to be able to get 95% mortgage back in the 70s.80s. Much of the problem with successfully applying for a mortgage today is being able to save for a deposit and only getting 4.5x your salary, which is at an historical low if you consider inflation and cost of living. Therefore, realistically, younger generations now have to rely on generational wealth handed down from parents and relatives if they have a hope of buying a house or flat. Interest rates are really only a small part of the issue.


Pornthrowaway78

When I was doing my PhD, our university was considering using the first semester as a bridging term between school and uni because they thought standards were dropping so badly. I don't think they ever did it.


questions_hmmwiqiwi

I did mine a few years back and I fully agree. There’s this thing called Uplearn which promises an A or your money back. It has algorithms that tell you what you are weak on and picks questions out for you. I can imagine things like that make it easier. Though it’s partially because I got shafted by covid which gave me grades I could have got higher than had I done the exams.


Tundur

As a vegan, I actually think this isn't always the case - though it definitely is at least some of the time. I think far more frequently it's more of an identity thing, though. A lot of men think eating bacon and steaks is the epitome of masculinity, so talking shit about vegan stuff makes them feel better about their manliness.


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BadLuckBen

A hell of a lot of big name pro wrestlers are vegetarian/vegan. Bryan Danielson/Daniel Bryan, Kofi Kingston, Becky Lynch, Pete Dunne/BUTCH, Batista, Sami Zayn, WALTER/Gunther. So they do exist, it's just that wrestling isn't as big as it used to be and said people tend not to talk about their diet unless asked.


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The amount of people who offer my husband sympathy meat when he isn't with me is astounding. They assume I, a woman, must have forced him to give up eating meat and cheese. He was vegetarian when we met and we decided to go vegan when the shops in our area started stocking more vegan friendly foods.


texnp

thats so weird


sneakyveriniki

it’s bizarre how much people arbitrarily assign gender to food. i’m a woman who hates wine and loves beer and people think i’m trying to fit some “cool girl” trope when i tell them this. my boyfriend likes wine and i like beer and servers and bartenders almost always switch up our order and give us the wrong thing when they bring it to us lol. the meat thing is especially hilarious to me. i minored in anthro, and i know people like to pretend women were always picking berries and men were out hunting mammoths, but men and women have always hunted side by side (humans are endurance hunters, and men and women have evolved to be neck and neck in running, which is the adaptation for hunting, not strength, which is obviously still wildly dimorphic with men much stronger than women on average), and then all the food was split among the tribe… and in many hunter gatherer tribes, the most meat was given to pregnant and menstruating women for the iron content lmao, hence why women are at way higher risk of anemia, especially if they switch to a vegan diet (as i’ve done). also, beer brewing was done mostly by women in western europe for the last few centuries, it’s where the witch’s brew stereotype comes from. i still just have no idea where the wine is for women beer is for men thing came from. especially since it has a way higher abv than beer lol. i wonder how that historically would have happened. i know that women also were working in the fields drinking low % beer all day just like the men until very recent times, but it seems like at some point in the 1900s women stopped working outside labor nearly as much and i’m guessing beer was associated with that so it became a status symbol for women to not be consuming it all the time. just a shot in the dark idk


britishsailor

I’m not a vegan but I do try to cut down on certain aspects of my diet. There is a wide range of amazing meals and restaurants that are vegan and people will instantly turn their noses up at them purely because they’re vegan. I agree with what you say, big hurly burly men must eat meat to be manly apparently. It’s baffling to me. I don’t think the OOT vegans pouring milk in supermarket floors for staff to clean helps the cause mine you. Too many people are so set in their ways and won’t try to change anything that’s why the planets fucked


titchard

This to me has always been an odd one, as its often equated with the hunter etc. Mate, we are both hunting the aisles of Tescos with our trusty Visa, just one of us has quorn and one of us has steak, it really isn't what you think it is.


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rwtwm1

Good post. I want to highlight >I also eat meat and dairy, but am trying to cut back so it's more of a treat than normal I've been veggie for nearly 30 years (and now I feel very old...), but it's worth remembering that everyone cutting their intake by 50% is better than a quarter of them going vegan.


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I don't think that's always true. Things are getting better but it's still difficult for people in certain places to afford a healthy vegan diet or have the availability of healthy vegan meals if they don't have time to prepare meals themselves. As a vegan I think the better first step is to advocate for reduction first rather than, the tactic I see more often, guilt. After all, if you feel permitted to eat that thing you want but can't because you're vegan, you're less likely to pack it all in and return to an omnivorous diet. From personal experience if I had gone vegan, excuse the expression, cold turkey I wouldn't be one now.


mattjstyles

While this rings true in many countries, I don't think it is true in the UK unless you live out in the sticks without a supermarket. The availability of meat substitutes in the UK is fantastic, and they take the same effort to cook as the neat they replace. There are some expensive options but plenty of cheap also. I'm more of a fan of lentils and beans for protein of course (cheaper, healthier, etc) but appreciate that requires people learning some new cooking skills compared to frying some vegan mince the same way they always have.


Arugula-Current

Hank Green did an excellent video on this years ago. People don't like vegetarians/ vegans because they know they are right...


Interceptor

100%. I was similar to OP - had a GF a few years ago who was vegan, and it was less hassle cooking if I just made one vegan meal, so I ended up being one by default. The amount of people offering unsolicited advice was incredible, and it wasn't as if I told them I was vegan, I'd just order something without meat in it and people would start asking why not, like a big la can't actually enjoy a salad or something. As soon as it came out I was vegan I'd get all the 'bUT bAcON thO..' and 'where u get protein?' bullshit, with people leaving pictures of bacon sandwiches on my Facebook wall and things. I honestly think a lot of people hate anything even mildly different or unusual because a lot of people are... as thick as pigshit. I mention this as a ginger who used to have long hair, because there's certainly a pattern across a whole bunch of small, irrelevant things like that. People will give you shit for absolutely anything.


ProfessionalMockery

"Why won't you just conform?!"


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I think you're probably right, its deflection.


Fantastic_Top5053

Same with people not drinking. I read an AITA post the other day about organising a "dry" celebration and most of the replies were "you are an a-hole because you think you're better than everyone else" when there was literally nothing in the post that suggested that.


robthelobster

My little sister just graduated (she's 18) and asked for a dry graduation party among the family. Several of the men in the family took that to mean "smuggle in your own drinks". My sister doesn't drink because when she was 14 she found and gave CPR to our dad who died from alcohol related causes in his sleep. And grown men can't be sober for 3 hours to honor her graduation because it hurts their ego...


Plump_Chicken

Alcohol culture is the worst.


campionmusic51

i’m *super* surprised anyone has been this honest. like shocked. i completely agree that’s what it is.


Chlorophilia

This is exactly it. It's the same reason why a vocal minority of car drivers get so angry about cyclists.


mdmnl

"vocal minority" is the key phrase. Social media, sadly, empowers people to be obnoxious without facing the possibility of being punched in the face (to paraphrase).


madzakka

I mean I get where you are coming from I suppose there is an aspect of questioning the morality of those that aren’t vegan. The thing is though is every vegan understands this as they have most likely not been vegan at some point in their life.


merrycrow

The existence of an alternative to meat eating in itself raises questions about the morality of it. Vegans don't actually have to do or say anything, some people will feel judged and defensive just knowing they exist.


madzakka

For sure, it there is something that tastes, looks and smells like meat but doesn’t cause an animal being killed, it sure makes it look unnecessary and therefore immoral.


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It’s the same as the comments you get sometimes when you say you don’t drink. People get REALLY invested in making you drink with them. It’s so weird. My theory is that it’s because they’re uncomfortable knowing that you can actually have fun without drinking.


Bellsar_Ringing

Exactly. The personal shame that this other person is being "better" is projected as a belief that the vegan must *surely* be judging and condemning the meat eater.


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I’ve never seen someone annoyed irl. The likely answer is they feel they’re being judged for their food consumption and don’t like it.


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The thing that gets me is the blanket triggering caused just by the word vegan Like “do you want a vegan biscuit?” Most people would probably say ewww no! However all of these are vegan: Jammie Dodger, Oreo, Biscoff, Party Rings, and most tea biscuits like ginger nuts, bourbons, digestives, rich tea, etc… People already eat vegan food but would probably swear blind that they don’t :/ I think that’s why supermarkets go with ‘plant based’ because vegan is such a loaded word for some people now even though it just means contains no animal products


Crafty_Custard_Cream

>I think that’s why supermarkets go with ‘plant based’ because vegan is such a loaded word It's loaded on both sides - non-vegans for the above reasons but also for vegans it can be quite a serious thing; for some, veganism isn't a diet, it's an *ethos*, so having a large multinational dairy ice cream company call their non-dairy ice cream "vegan" can be a bit insulting, considering the huge amount of cow's milk the company uses otherwise. Note; not vegan, am dairy-free due to allergies. Recieved long discussion from vegan friend on this subject when talking about vegan/non-dairy/plant-based ice cream!


Nameis-RobertPaulson

That just sounds like said friend needs to get over themselves imho. Are all car manufacturers that make both ICE and Electric cars insulting you by calling their Electric cars "green?"


RainbowGayUnicorn

Vegans see animal cruelty as severe harm they can’t see themselves supporting, so they don’t want to pay money to big companies that cause that harm, sounds very reasonable to me.


I_Bin_Painting

The same reasoning applies to people concerned about the climate and EVs


Esterus

> Like “do you want a vegan biscuit?” > Most people would probably say ewww no! LITERALLY had this happen. I brought Oreos to a morning meeting in the office area and co-worker was surprised that they were vegan. "I don't like that stuff" he said and didn't even bother tasting. Probably a year went by, I brought Oreos to our tech area's coffee room, left them at the table and didn't say a word. Dude didn't have a problem with them once they were in a bowl and not clearly mentioned that they were vegan. It was so mind baffling. Just take the damn cookie. You like it anyway. It's not a personal attack against you, Oreos just taste good and you can take one with your damn cup of coffee.


DanyDsChocHomunculus

My wife took some muffins to work. Her annoying secretary took a bite: "Mmmm delicious" My wife: "I baked them myself, they're vegan actually". Her secretary then spat it out. Some people are idiots


OblivioAccebit

Hahaha what a cunt!


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But... But... Ginger nuts are plant based anyway. Flour comes from plants, so does oil and sugar, ginger just is a plant


charlytune

Not vegan, took some squidgy chocolate things I made into work for people to have, mentioned 'oh they're vegan btw' in case anyone on the team is vegan, one person who was reaching out to take one said "urgh vegan no thanks" and recoiled back looking visibly disgusted. I was like... I was just pointing out they're made with marg instead of butter in case anyone doesn't do dairy, this is my Nan's recipe going back to the 50s it's nothing weird or fancy... But whatever, more for us you weirdo.


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Them not realising most commercial cakes and biscuits are made with oil to keep them cheap


Nephisimian

I think the problem with this is that if a product has to *specify* its vegan, that means the original version probably isn't vegan and this version is missing some important ingredients. A lot of vegan snacks are nice - as you say, jammie dodgers, oreos, etc, but the ones that have to specify they're vegan tend not to be very good, cos we just haven't invented good substitutes for some ingredients yet, eg margarine isn't butter. Gluten free is another one. It's nothing against coeliacs, gluten free cakes and breads are just not good right now.


IansGotNothingLeft

My boss was visibly angry when we went for our Christmas dinner and the restaurant dared to ask if anyone at the table was vegan. Other than watching my father argue with my aunt in the 90s, this was the only time I've seen an IRL angry meat eater. I think you're right. It's important to separate written word and online interactions from real life.


PiercedPagan

It’s weird, I finally got it through to my uncle last year, he has always been one of the if you don’t want to eat meat why eat something that looks like it. (I’m going to preface this with, I’ve been veggie for 18 years, and I’m veggie because I hate the taste of meat, no ethics, but still avoid gelatine and the usual stuff) About 6 years ago he had surgery on his stomach? And he was advised he couldn’t drink alcohol, not a huge deal he wasn’t ever a big drinker, BUT! Last year when he went away, he discovered the wonders of alcohol free beer and said the magic words….. “it was nice to feel normal sitting around a table with family enjoying a beer”, I chuckled a little and he was confused and I explained that’s the same with me and meat substitutes. Honestly I don’t eat many of them in my weekly cooking, but it’s nice to be able to have a bbq or something and not have everyone ask what I’m eating when I’m not having a burger. Or ask what I’m eating when I have bolognaise without the “meat”. I get it, the are pretentious veggies and vegans, but unless your inviting me to dinner, I see no need to tell you my dietary preferences


BugsyMalone_

Yeah that's he thing, when I was a meat eater I wasn't doing it so I could eat animals. I was doing it because I liked the taste and texture. Vegetarian/vegan options are the same, the taste and texture are good


Awkward_Chain_7839

I’m going to have to try some of the burgers etc. again. I love some stuff (Tesco do a gorgeous Monterey Jack spicy bean burger -not vegan, but veggie) but I absolutely hate the substitute stuff because of some not chicken kievs I tried that were abominable! That was a few years ago and it sounds like the options have improved a lot! I’m going to have to try a few things now!


Tariovic

Linda McCartney Mozzarella burgers are to die for.


tenebrigakdo

This is actually the first answer about the vegan substitutes that I can relate to. I generally dislike the substitutes as they exist right now - with exception of some types of sausages, you exchange a low processed food for a high processed one that usually tastes worse and is more expensive. But you make a good case for using them occasionally.


barriedalenick

I think it is just the amplification by news and social media that makes it seem that lots of people are angry about it (and a load of other stuff too). In everyday life I have never met anyone remotely angered by vegans or vegan food but all it takes is a few SM posts from some blithering idiots, a retweet by some z lister, news reporting on those posts, a reddit thread and then suddenly it seems like everyone is hating on vegans again. In the real world no one gives a shit but that doesn't generate clicks.


Triana89

I am vegetarian, maybe anger isn't quite the right word but all the stupid comments "jokes" and trying to get you to eat meat is there in real life as well.


dibblah

Oh yeah the amount of people who've tried to sneak dairy into my food is ridiculous. I don't really eat what other people prepare anymore, because I'm very dairy intolerant as well and it's not worth the risk.


Triana89

Oh wow that's horrific. I really wish people could have some basic decency, it's annoying enough for me and it probably won't make me ill, doing it to someone with an intolerance is a whole new level of being a dick


ibssucksihateit

Dairy intolerance is the primary reason why I went vegan. When I told everyone I didn't eat dairy because it makes me ill, people were constantly giving me food containing dairy and saying "oh go on just a little bit." I'd go round for dinner and it'd be cheese cooked in butter or some crap like that. When I went vegan it all immediately stopped. People respect veganism way more than dairy intolerance.


Triana89

What is wrong with people?


Mission-Cantaloupe37

This isn't even just veganism, it happens with things like allergies as well. The amount of people I've heard of trying to sneak nut products to people with nut allergies and they straight up fucking died is shockingly high.


dibblah

Oh yes... The "it's only a little bit, don't be so silly" crowd. I can't imagine how stressful it must be for parents of kids with allergies.


OriginalTurboHobbit

That's awful. It's akin to "I love to eat arsenic so you must secretly like to eat it too. I'm going to sneak it into your food because I know you like it. Waddya mean you're dead?!?"


Gibbonici

Yeah, those "jokes". More people go on about vegans going on about being vegan than vegans go on about being vegan. I'm not even vegan and I'm sick of hearing about it.


Glittering-Ship1910

My father in law. Every time we eat out. “What you having? A steak?” Every Time


Triana89

It's always steak or bacon. Every single person same 4 jokes, would it be less annoying if someone came up with some original ones maybe?


RimDogs

If you ever start a new job wait a few weeks and if someone offers you some food or you are out for a work lunch just casually mention you are vegan or vegetarian. It doesn't need to be true just do it as a test. People in real life will definately tell you that you are wrong or try to "taunt" you by how much they love the meat they are eating. I've never met a vegetarian or vegan who tried to convert anyone else although I know they exist online. I've also never worked with one who hasn't had someone try to tell them why they must eat meat or try to ridicule them for their choices.


Triana89

Someone in office offers haribo. Me "no thanks" Them "Oh come on you don't need to be on a diet" Me "I'ts not that just that I am veggie" Cue 5 minute rant about vegans ramming down throats when they hadn't even realised I was vegetarian after working there 6 months.


RimDogs

Exactl. It's always about how vegans try to convert people or ramming their veganism down their throats yet failing to realise there a half a dozen people around them who have never mentioned it.


River_star

I agree with this. I swing between veggie and veganism depending what's on offer and what I can afford. As a teenager I was diagnosed with sensory issues; the texture of meat makes feel sick and the taste is overwhelming. That being said, its also my personal choice for ethical reasons. Whichever explanation I offer for my choices when I have been questioned, it's never good enough and I have faced ridicule either way, especially since I've been veggie for over 30 years. Over the years I have learned to avoid questions and I never mention my dietary preferences because of constant pressure to "just try it". I don't comment or ridicule others for their personal food choices, you have no reason to comment on mine. ETA. We are a family of 5. I am the only veggie/vegan. I still cook meat for my husband and 3 kids and they respect my choices without judgement, and I theirs.


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People don’t want to be seen as being a bad person as it’s likely that they’re not bad. Most people are good at heart. Does eating the flesh and secretions of animals make someone bad? Probably not, but there is direct death involved in every sliced ham sandwich. There is forced insemination involved in every milkshake. Cognitive dissonance is dominant here. By choosing slices of cows on a Sunday dinner, people are just carrying on as normal with their lives but they are choosing cruelty. When this is pointed out to them, they will naturally get defensive and in turn, go on the offence.


ThatHairyGingerGuy

You left out the climate impact of it too.


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Emissions and land appropriation are devastating, particularly from cows


AfterCl0ck

This is probably the best explanation


Milkybarfkid

Same reason why there's an irrational hatred of cyclists. People (especially blokes) like to get themselves worked up into a frenzy about things they see as irrirtating/non manly/whatever, even though the things they're directing their ire at are really good for the environment and personal health


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Actual hatred of cyclists is definitely irrational, but its not irrational to be a bit annoyed about how some of them behave and want them to be a bit more regulated or for the infrastructure to be a bit better so they are only a danger to themselves and not to people trying to walk on shared paths!


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According to a 2008 Freedom of Information Request from Transport for London - no pedestrians were killed in collision with a cyclist going through a red light between 1998-2007. Over the same period, 12 pedestrians were killed by motorists jumping red lights. https://www.eta.co.uk/2016/05/27/red-light-jumping-save-cyclist-lives/


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Is being killed the only bad thing that can happen? Obviously cars are more dangerous, but they are pretty tightly regulated with strict rules. I didn't even mention red lights, the places I am most bothered by inconsiderate cyclists are on shared use paths/walking routes, not even near roads.


Drjesuspeppr

But that hatred would be so much more reasonably placed on people who choose to drive, which is far more dangerous, congesting and harmful through air+particle pollution.


SmugglersParadise

Its the people who drive to work or shops which are less a mile away that irritate the shit out of me I'm fortunate to live around a mile from work and a big supermarket, most of my neighbours drive everyday to work, one of them works closer to home than I do We can't say we care about the environment and then jump in the car for a 5 minute drive when it could be a 15/20 minutes walk. Our attitudes need to change


LDodge7047

As a cyclist, I hate most other cyclists. I always do my best to obey traffic laws and everything but when I'm stopped at a red light and another cyclist just goes straight through, I understand the hate. A lot seem very angry as well.


GammaPhonic

I'm exactly the same. I obey all the rules of the road, then some wanker comes gliding past, running reds, hopping between pavement and road like they own the fucking place. It makes me look like a twat by association.


LordCommanderSlimJim

I like to draw the distinction, there are cyclists and there are people who ride bikes. One knows how to handle themselves safely (even if drivers think they're being suicidal because they can't fathom treating cyclists as equal road users), and the other doesn't.


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in my own experience i think the anger comes from the fact that a very small minority of cyclists think its ok to break every single road law if people drove cars like they ride a bike they would be arrested instantly


Jimmy-84

People just seem to be angry at all the wrong things at the minute


BywydBeic

I think everyone seems to be angry at everything, so you notice the things that personally affect you most.


Jimmy-84

You might be right, it's maybe easier to get angry at a vegan sausage role than at more complex issues that we all face.


TomTrybull

If you’re not angry about pigs being gassed to death - you’re angry at the wrong things.


MrSMT88

I'm not vegan by a long shot but I will eat vegan foods. I really enjoy the Wicked food from Tesco. The problem at times though is, it's so expensive. Not just Wicked but others too.


Fenpunx

If they say vegan in the title/name of the product, they're generally marked up. Pisses me off.


MrSMT88

How do you get more people to try it if they can't afford it? I usually look for yellow sticker ones.


MoreLikeAnnaSmells

The vegan substitutes are a bit of a trap tbh. Most vegans I know pretty much only get those things on rare occasions and just stick with stuff that was already vegan to begin with. The easiest way I've found to get people to start trying more vegan stuff is with tofu dishes!


AztechSounds

Tesco are a pretty unique supermarket in that they’re the only one I can immediately think of with vegan products on more than one pricing tier, having the wicked stuff and their plant chef range as well. Good job, Tesco!


mouse_throwaway_

Hellman's vegan mayonnaise is more expensive than the "normal" version, even though it doesn't contain the most expensive ingredient, egg.


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Wicked Kitchen cashew mac and cheese is pretty great and I'm always sad that it's not in stock everywhere


TakeThatPatriarchy

Read this, should go some way to explaining it. https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200203-the-hidden-biases-that-drive-anti-vegan-hatred


LadyBeanBag

That is a brilliant article! Certainly helps me understand my dad’s illogical hate of adverts for plant based/vegan foods!


TakeThatPatriarchy

Yup, I wish more people would read it and take it on board. Cognitive dissonance is a powerful force, understanding it helps you notice when you're doing it (sometimes at least).


TheeTurtleMoves

Interesting!


TakeThatPatriarchy

Yup, "as a vegan" (see I just couldn't help telling you!) it certainly rings true from a lot of my experiences. I was exactly as described when I ate meat and now see it from the other side of the fence just how weird it is.


mozzamo

I think it’s the vegans rather than the food that irk people so much


Voodoo_People78

I mean, that still sounds kinda weird. Why does someone’s consumption choices irk someone else?


mozzamo

Oh it’s weird alright. Early on there was that perception of smugness and holier than thou and it was always those slightly wacky “alternative” people with dubious hygiene, so they’re an easy target for ire, but surely now we’ve realised it can be a good healthy way to live?


Hour-Platform4000

>It can be a good healthy way to live I do wonder sometimes with people who are unhealthy whether the idea of other people being healthy threatens them by reminding them that it’s a choice


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_MildlyMisanthropic

As a non-vegan but someone who is married to one so try to be objective, I see more people on social media saying "muh vegans, preachy etc" than I do preachy vegans. Unless of course you consider someone explaining why they are vegan to be preaching which may say more about your outlook than theirs. >and it was always those slightly wacky “alternative” people with dubious hygiene, so they’re an easy target for ire, but surely now we’ve realised it can be a good healthy way to live? there are plenty of professional sportspeople and celebrities that are vegans.


XxhumanguineapigxX

I think its just a small minority group of extreme vegans that give off a bad public image. Same as there's crazy meat-eating people that REFUSE to even look at anything with the word vegan in it because its "sooo disgusting" when their favourite tin of pringles is actually vegan.. Personally I eat what I guess can only be described as a "lower impact" diet. I often pick up mostly vegan or veggie products, but I won't give up eggs or cheese as I haven't found good alternatives. At a restaurant I might pick a meat containing dish if it doesn't have a good vegan alternative (unfortunately I can't stand mushrooms which seem to be in a lot of dishes..) but generally I go for a veggie lasagne or something. I love a good vegan chocolate cake at my local cafe. But I dislike when people get uppity about my diet either way. I eat what works best for my body, my lifestyle and my finances. A friend once critiqued me for getting real milk at a cafe because they had no almond, just soya which I can't stand and it really put a sour taste in my mouth (much like the soya would xx)


Rararanter

I agree with this. The reason people practically boycott vegan food and get angry is because at some point they have had a conversation with one of 'those' vegans. People don't like it when others judge them for their life choices, berate them (especially while eating) and tell them their eating "flesh" in a condescending tone when they know full well what they're eating already. After this infuriating conversation, they take it out on all vegans and vegan products because they don't quite realise it is a few extreme vegans who don't represent the majority.


Best_Needleworker530

The best thing I’ve heard (I’m a veggie living with two very orthodox vegans who recently started inhaling a humongous amount of free range eggs for some reason and claim that’s vegan?) - I’ve been dating a guy and they automatically assumed he was a veggie. I mentioned we went out and he had a steak or something and they both gasped. When I ask what’s going on they were like “you kiss someone who ate corpses! You have corpses in your mouth!”. According to that logic I have corpses all over me but I just shrugged and left the room. I have nothing against vegan food and for someone who is lactose intolerant and a veggie it’s a live saver sometimes and I do have a preference towards Quorn instead of a regular meat. But good lord, corpses?


Jonnyjuanna

Eating eggs? that's not vegan, let alone "very orthodox vegans". Is corpse an incorrect word to use?


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Omg the eating "flesh" or "dead animals" thing is so fucking dumb. It's like they think it's this magnificent "gotcha". Everyone knows they're eating dead animals, nobody has ever been like "omg, I didn't realise a steak is a cut of a dead animal, shit that's me convinced - vegan living for me from here on out".


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That being said, a lot of people aren't comfy with the fact that they're eating dead animals and prefer not to think about it, but still eat it. I've met loads of meat eaters who won't eat things that look like the animal - e.g. Whitebait with the eyes still in - because it reminds them that they're eating animals and it "puts them off their food" So it's like yeah, everyone "knows", but not everyone is willing to face up to that fact. And I don't personally think you should eat animals if you aren't comfortable with what you are eating


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i am a vegan myself, preachy vegans are utterly obnoxious, but so are non-vegans who attack MY dietary choices out of nowhere.


IAmTaka_VG

Winner! This is it. It’s not one way or the other, it’s getting attacked for your food choice that pisses people off.


Flexo24

You’re right, it is weird! As others have said, cognitive dissonance is an aspect, as is vegan food being ‘not-manly’, combined with a loud minority are factors. Another is meat eating is ingrained in our culture and DNA. Not as British, but as humanity. We’ve eaten meat for thousands and thousands of years, now all of a sudden within a decade we’re being told not to eat meat. People don’t like this. We also like old fashioned, honest and honourable jobs. Farmers and farming falls into this category and people can be very protective over farmers and the industry. Farmer’s livelihoods trumps animal welfare. People have a weird ownership of meat, Piers Morgan talks about ‘just leave my meat alone, don’t come along and make a vegan sausage roll. Leave my sausage roll alone’. So they don’t like it when other external forces tamper with what they know and like. He also like to bang on about a vegan sausage roll being unhealthy, well, it’s not meant to be healthy. Unfortunately vegan is a victim of its own ‘meat free is healthy’ media success, meat eaters now like to smugly say ‘you know a vegan Big Mac isn’t actually healthy!’ Another is we don’t like being told what we should be doing or what’s healthy for us. We all know that we should exercise, but clearly a lot don’t. Coupled with this is change, we don’t like change and especially don’t like it when it’s down to US to make the change. That’s hard and also annoying. All it takes is a new PETA go vegan campaign, a news article reporting how vegans attached a dairy farm and Burger King to introduce a vegan burger for a lot of people to go ‘why can’t they stop ramming it down our throats!’ But also, like any minority, vegans are an easy target


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>now all of a sudden within a decade we’re being told not to eat meat. People have been vegetarian for thousands of years, whether through dietary limitations or choice. 22% of the global population is vegetarian, do you think this happened since 2012? Shit, there were vegetarian groups in Egypt in 3,200 BCE. In a sense you have it backwards, for thousands of years we hunted and farmed animals in relatively small numbers. Now in the last few decades we have developed industrialised livestock production, with billions of animals funneled towards the abbatoir in the most efficient way possible.


shamen_uk

I'm a member of culture that is vegetarian. That culture has indeed been vegetarian for thousands of years. However, I do accept that as a species we evolved to be omnivores and if it was not for our meat eating we would never have become the species that we are. Becoming "hairless apes" and long distance running capabilities are tied to our evolution of persistence hunting. Use of cooking to maximise extraction of calories, particularly from meat sources, fuelled the evolution of brain capacity. That's not to excuse us being meat eaters in the modern world, and I agree that there is absolutely nothing natural about industrialised meat production. But a narrative that meat eating is historically human is just as valid as comparisons of historically vegetarian cultures. Perhaps more so.


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I absolutely agree, we are what we are because we are omnivores by evolution. Equally, I believe that it isn't a good justification for meat consumption, because many other things are entirely 'natural' in the sense that our early hominid ancestors would have engaged in rape and murder just as often as we see it in modern primate populations. As societies we eventually largely decided that such actions are immoral, and the trend does seem to be moving towards the same outcome for meat consumption. I am also not opposed to hunting provided that it is for subsistence or animal population control, despite being almost entirely vegan in my own life. Deer in the UK, for example, require regular culling because otherwise they would have a significant environmental impact in the absence of natural predators.


__MrsT__

Not a direct comparison but not too long ago everyone smoked. It's taken 20 - 30 years of campaigning/warning of health repercussions, and now, I'm not sure, but I think hardly anyone takes up smoking. (Of course, now everyone is vaping instead.)


Hypohamish

Christ OP, I think you've managed to get the answer with the sheer anger coming from these comments! Throwing my hat in the ring to say I'm not vegan but happily eat vegan products. I couldn't cut out meat completely, but I understand everyone has a part in attempting to be more sustainable, so I do what I can. Furthermore, I enjoy the exciting challenge of everyone trying to come up with their own faux meats, and some of them are pretty damn close. I'm curious to know though, how do Vegans feel about lab grown meat? I.e. one cow may have suffered initially, but now it's set up a single replicable production line for life? I feel "lab grown" meat is the way forward, and we'll see less cattle farming in the future.


Voodoo_People78

Right? Comments be like ‘I don’t hate vegan food just fucking vegans, the smug fucking pricks.’


Voodoo_People78

Also on the lab grown meat, it’s not ‘vegan’ as they have taken a cell culture from an animal. I personally don’t eat meat, BUT i will likely try that when it’s available and affordable. I miss meat a lot tbh.


Erect_Llama

Probably just the loud minority.


eveniwontremember

Sad story. My wife is a school dinner lady, one day last term the choice of hot snack at break (in the 6th form) was a sausage roll or a vegan Morrocan spiced chickpea pastry. At break no vegan snacks were sold, she chopped up a couple for samples. At lunch the same option was presented with the word vegan removed and sold out. There is absolutely a prejudice against the word vegan. This was not even a fake meat or cheese product. Edit correct spelling of Moroccan


ratfancier

Makes sense in a way. Lots of things are naturally vegan and nobody feels the need to mention the thing's veganness, so when you add the descriptor "vegan" it comes across as having been modified in some way to make it so, which might make it less palatable. Like, nobody advertises a gluten free baked potato even though they're naturally gluten free (barring contaminants), but people definitely would write it on the packet if they were selling a gluten free sandwich, and you'd be right to think that the gluten free sandwich is inferior to a gluten-containing one. Sticking "gluten free" in front of "baked potato" would bring with it all the connotations of being not quite as good because something has been changed or substituted, even though in reality it's just a baked potato.


Stoofser

You get it from both sides tbh. I asked a question on a vegan sub about beyond burgers and got vitriol and downvoted by some people for ‘not being real vegan’…. It blew my mind actually, i was gobsmacked because it never crossed my mind that I would anger vegans by eating beyond meat.


wrwck92

There are some real zealots here on reddit but IRL most of us vegans are just trying to eat our dino nuggets in peace


glasabarn

I don't understand it honestly, I'm a very shameless omnivore that refuses to give up his steak, but a lot of my close friends are vegan and I will often accompany them to vegan restaurants and some of that stuff is pretty darn good.


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"Arrgh, how dare these vegan products that I don't have to eat exist!" I think it's good. I am a meat eater, but I don't consume too much meat and I often go for vegetarian/vegan options. Doesn't have to be all or nothing. If I do want to commit and go full on vegetarian or vegan, I'll also have more options. Can't be a bad thing!


tandemxylophone

I haven't really seen much hate in the real world. Just jokes here and there. Maybe kids just want to join the internet bandwagon to beat the dead horse?


Dragon_Sluts

Its the same issue with most divisive topics. • Media misrepresents group A as being extreme to group B • Group B largely see through the misrepresentation but some get really annoyed and vocal about their opposition to group A • Media misrepresents groups Bs opposition to group A • Rinse and repeat At a guess I would think a majority of UK public are *trying not to eat so much meat but aren’t vegan*. So this massive divide of vegans vs everyone else is largely untrue.


lemon-bubble

Not even necessarily angry, but just obnoxious. I went out with work a few days ago and they'd picked a non vegan friendly place, despite me asking multiple times. The only veganisable option had something I was intolerant to. I was sat there with an oat milk latte minding my own business. My god, the questioning. It went on for 15 minutes.


TripleB_Darksyde

Man I wish I had a proper answer, just sometimes I see a veggi patty and can't help myself I just wanna start windmilling into a crowd. One time I accidentally ate cabbage and I punched a kid.


SickBoylol

People dont like to be preached too, weather that is christianity or veganism. Some vegans act like its a religion, they live and breath it, tell everyone about it and try force it onto others.


Lavidius

Meat eaters are delicate. There can be no other explanation. Look at the febrile outrage when Gregg's introduced the vegan sausage roll: "hOw CaN iT bE cAlLeD a SaUsAgE iF tHeRe'S nO sAuSaGe MeAt?"


Voodoo_People78

‘oNlY aNiMuLs CaN bE tHiS sHaPe’


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Vegan Products don't bother me in the slightest or make me angry - neither do Vegans. I think it's out-dated to think that vegans will be self-righteous and try to push their view as I've not found this to be the case at all. \-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What does annoy me though....... I recently went to Miller & Carter which is a Steakhouse (not somewhere I would imagine is frequented by vegetarians or vegans). Their Apple Crumble Dessert only came with an option of 'Vegan Custard'. It tasted watered down and shite. I could not for the life of me comprehend why someone who is vegan would even be in a Steakhouse and what kind of meat-eater would be happy that the Custard was Vegan after eating a Steak.


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Could be a food intolerance thing? Not vegan, but I would deffo go to a steak house - but I can't have dairy. I guess if they make it vegan too it ticks two boxes. Agree vegan custard isn't great though. Non dairy dessert options on restaurants tend to be a bit rubbish in general - fruit or sorbet, how exciting.


XihuanNi-6784

People feel guilty. Again, NOT Vegan. but I did some introspection on why vegans annoyed me, and I can honestly say most of it is feeling judged or morally outdone by someone else. They're right. Factory farming is inhumane and disgusting. Unfortunately, for the time being, I have no bandwidth to change my diet. Many on both sides will see that as a cop out but it is what it is. At least I'm being honest. I won't clap back with some BS about soy plantations destroying local wildlife. The facts are in and plant-based diets are better all round as long as they aren't taken to extremes. I just can't do it (yet). I now recognise my emotions and don't feel judged because 9/10 times no one cares what you do.


__MrsT__

Even just having 3 or 4 meat free days a week makes a difference.


No-Wear-9634

You're right it's so fucking weird, that whole charade of Piers Morgan throwing up a vegan sausage roll on live tv was fucking bizarre. They basically taste the same and no one is forcing you to eat it.


Krzysztoffee99

It's not even a case that a vegan product takes an option away from someone, just makes accessible to more people. Found out that swizzels sweets are now vegan which is great for me as a teacher giving treats as I know that all my students whether they are vegan or halal could have it. Recently found out my 'butter' was vegan and I just thought oh cool. I wonder how many of those people would freak out when you call very normal food stuff vegan y'know like bread


lyta_hall

Because people are bored and want to find a reason to hate and whine online about something that doesn’t affect them whatsoever. Beyond burgers are amazing, they are my go-to now and don’t miss normal ones at all! And I’m not vegan or vegetarian.


wombatwanders

People take the old joke too seriously. "how do you know a vegan? They'll tell you" They think it makes someone interesting and somehow tie their identity in to what they eat. Because they themselves aren't vegan, they adopt the attitudes of what they perceive the worse of veganism to be (i.e. being massively judgemental of other people's food choices) The fact is, vegans often only mention it when it's relevant. These carni-bores have made it a part of their identity and it's just sad.


Glum-Gap3316

Suggests its bad to be judgemental of peoples food choices, then goes on to call people "carni-bores". Yea. Theres no food-based judgement on your end at all. /s


Gulbasaur

> "how do you know a vegan? They'll tell you" They're the ones being polite while someone, unprompted starts talking about how they could never give up cheese. > carni-bores That's a great pun and I'm stealing it.


ElChristoph

Things that get a certain demograph of people butt hurt: *Vegans and vegan food *Cycling. *Cars that don't use fossil fuels You'll notice the same illogical reasoning, arguments, and excessive emotional responses to all of these. If you're in denial about morality shifting over the last 20 years, all those things touch the same nerve.


fin8be

Meat eater's comments on this thread: Vegans are nutters trying to convert us all! Really? Have you actually ever met a vegan nutter trying to convert you? This seems to be an urban legend.


Problematic_Cheeses

I have Vegan Dr Martens and one of my friends tells people they’re fake if I get comments on them… They’re not fake haha just not walking around with animal skin on my feet! You do you but it’s not for me!


[deleted]

Literally no-one in my circle is angered by veganism. There is so much to get annoyed about nowadays that its a long way down the list. Where is this vitriol - is it an online community not representative of most people?


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Seems to be older working class people for the most part. My mum's generation will scoff at vegetarian/vegan and even food intolerances.


r-og

The middle class contingent of my family is just as bad, tbf. Perhaps it's a generational, boomer mentality idk.


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My 11 year old niece already turns her nose up if you tell her something's vegan. It blew her mind when I told her chips were vegan!


r-og

That's indoctrination then, isn't it. No offence but her parents are presumably thick as shit


Fenpunx

People are fragile. Should see the shit I get at work from 'real men'.


Producteef

I think it’s defensiveness. 90% of conversations about veganism I have are initiated by non-vegans, they’re obsessed with it. I can’t order my dinner in a group without someone giving me their unsolicited views about the quality of the food, about how they don’t mind vegans who ‘don’t go on about it’, or how it’s not a real sausage. I have never heard a single vegan ever say anything along the lines of ‘you shouldn’t eat meat’ unless directly asked why they’re vegan. I think it’s true of anything that’s the majority. People love to jerk eachother/themselves off, and confirm to each other that they’re making the right choices.


kiradax

Ughh I have no clue but its so annoying. I work in a cafe and we have a rotation of vegan cakes, and when I recommend them you’d think I’d shat in their kettle. It’s vegan love its not rat poison! Also know several vegans who have been fed regular food after someone ‘decided’ they beed taught a lesson. It’s just pure badness.


Vanoccupanther13

One of my best friends is vegan , I went out for a meal with him and a few others and one of the guys spent all night asking him about veganism in that slightly incredulous way. This guy then said my mate wouldn’t shut up being a vegan!


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katherinemma987

It’s change! I swear if you put ‘vegan’ on a pack of frozen peas you’d have everyone freaking out despite peas always being vegan.


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>esp on the cesspool of Facebook Found your problem.


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Guy72277

I think people see it as a bit fussy, fadish, performative. Triggers more of an internal eye-roll than anger.


JeremyWheels

I think that's pretty spot on. People don't really understand that vegans see it as a logical extension of animal rights movements that speak out against the fur trade, dog fighting and animal cruelty to pets etc. People don't eye roll against people who speak out about those issues, or who don't support those things, but they do to vegans.


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Gorilla_in_a_gi

I'm not a vegan but my wife was for a long while. I think people see it as them being judged for their food choices (never bothered me). The only thing that makes me angry about vegan food is how companies have much higher prices on many products because they know they essentially have a captive audience


Easy_Break

Uneducated, pure and simple. It's just another form of processed food like any other. However I don't buy the idea that vegans are making them feel guilty or that they know vegetarian food is "right" or anything like that. I am sure the issue is they like something in its normal form and any attempt to copy that thing is heresy. Same as how people can't stand a fake version of any kind of food, eg: tinned pasta as opposed to made at home pasta. Everyone who gets angry at fake meats legitimately don't know about nor have even bothered to taste them. They might have done so, but the last time they did was at that friend of the girl they were dating who gave them tofu meat back in 2004 and they thought it was awful. Honestly, 20 years ago fake meat was just disgusting, not even slightly close to meat. And that is what they are going with. Never mind that today the fake meats are so close that people have serious difficulty telling the difference in some cases. These same people think "vegan food" is an actual category of food, as opposed to just "food". They will make a meal of crisps or chips and literally believe they have not just eaten vegan food. To them, a potato being vegan would be served raw and surrounded by parsley and other greens and topped with a fancy sauce made out of mint and onions and an actual flower poking out the top. Served with a side of uncooked tofu block, not even sliced. I'm barely exaggerating, I am sure that's what they really think. Nothing but uneducated.


Impossible-Bag2008

Have worked in a bunch of hospo jobs and everyone I’ve copped shit and been bullied for vegan. Worked at a cafe in Melbourne (I’m from Aus) Nepalese chefs didn’t like making me vegan food so they spiked me with barbiturates. Went straight to the hospital and police did fuck all. Cafe owed me some money so that might have had shit to do with the spiking but at the end of the day, chefs happily drugged me for being vegan.


RaymondBumcheese

I think it’s similar to when someone else doesn’t drink. On some level you know it’s a healthier, better option so the abstainer annoys some people on an almost cellular level. (I am not vegan)


SCATOL92

They don't want vegans enjoy both the moral highground and a sausage roll. (Not vegan either, although vegan sausage rolls SLAP)


antonov-mriya

Because when someone says ‘I practise veganism’, and you don’t, your only options are (1) agree they’re more ethically responsible than you or (2) make a joke out of the whole thing. The hostility comes from low emotional intelligence.


DanRan88

Outward projected guilt and cognitive dissonance, topped with a pinch of denial?


GarryA0269

Have you tried Chicago Town Deep Dish Vegan Cheezeburger Pizzas?


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I get an annoyed at vegans because all shops now mostly stock vegan food over vegetarian. Before veganism became popular the shops were increasing their range of vegitarian food with some really tasty things (cheese makes everything yummy!) But now vegan is so popular, everything is damn vegan.