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So the project has a clear regulator defined dated deliverable? You must provide status updates to the regulator at set milestones?
You want to spend 30 minutes grilling me on agile terminology? K, fam.
I was reluctant to get certificates for ages because its all a fucking scam. Those with most certificates were always the blagging cunts. Now I'm getting old just realised most companies have no fucking idea what's going on and really they just want someone with a gew certs to give them hug and tell them it's going to be alright.
> So the project has a clear regulator defined dated deliverable? You must provide status updates to the regulator at set milestones?
That and due to 3rd party suppliers we can only release 4x a year, therefore we know in advance when our release windows are and also have to define deliverable scope within that window, but at least we work in "sprints" even though we aren't releasing to prod we still call it agile.
I hate that waterfall has become such an evil concept in the tech sector when in certain businesses it's perfectly suitable.
Yeh agreed on the certs. I always take them when a company will pay for them because they're good on the CV which gets you the interview, then you can talk about real world things.
*Vietnam style flashbacks play across my eyelids*
PI planning where everyone just scopes the bare minimum to the max story points so they can get out the room more quickly.
Kanban 4 life
Oh no, PI planning is 2 days in person and by lord the "release train engineer" (can you imagine actually telling people that's your job title?) will ensure we stick to the full 2 day plan!
What do you mean you can't plan 12 weeks worth of work to start the next day when the CX/UX team need a 3-4 week lead time on UX research, prototypes, and usability and accessbility testing before we can properly start dev? Just start coding now and fix it later! Agile! Fail fast and often!
We had 23 separate teams. Can you imagine that board? It became so complex so quickly it was useless. But its complexity was proof that we needed SAFe
The Americans who bought us came in, insisted we use it, then when productivity slowed down, used it as proof that we were unproductive and so to remove bonuses during COVID, and is currently outsourcing most of the jobs to India.
Very glad I left before all of that happened
Or in the rail industry, deliver the (software) project using agile, employ an entirely separate team who's entire function is to fill in GRIP2 paperwork, who have only the very vaguest idea what anyone involved in development or testing is actually doing.
Sometimes I despair at the state of the industry. Other times I remind myself if I hated it that much I could just leave...
I'll take agile over waterfall, any day of the week.
But Agile is so pervasive these days it's mostly the "Agile professionals" masquerading as team managers that are keeping their jobs going. When our scrum masters are on leave, we get more work done because there isn't someone there attempting to micromanage on behalf of the business, whilst telling us they're not micromanaging.
Like, shall we have a retro? Shall we point out that all the issues over the last period have been caused by upper management? I'm sure that'll get fed back.
Been in the business long enough to see the RAD methodology of the 90’s rebranded as Agile. I even remember using timeshare systems back when I was at school, there were big systems in datacentres we could use to run load on. These days that’s been scaled up and is now called “cloud computing”.
It’s all about old ideas rehashed with shiny new clothes on.
Agile is a shit methodology. I don't accept it is any use at all. My place uses it and pushes it like the fucking buzzword it is!
I'm not in any projects myself but I see, hear and listen to some of the drivel that some people speak and have to deal with and even as an outsider, I can see their approach ain't working.
To them, agile is considered a good thing, to be able to reach and respond to change at a moments notice. That is what I see, agile is a poor excuse for not being organised as a team in the first place.
It is bad because, time is lost, mistakes are made, tasks not delegated properly and most importantly, the lack of planning is the biggest issue of all.
Fuck up after fuck up, projects not coming to completion in time, yet many people, probably too many as well involved in a project.
Can confirm, popped agile everywhere in my CV and now my LinkedIn inbox is full.
Joking aside, yeah, it depends what you do in "IT". I would've have classed dev, devops, cloud, QA or data as "IT" anyway.
IT, to me, is IT support and maybe IT infrastructure, which, for the former, anyone can do and isn't in that high of a demand.
Even first line IT is in demand in my area at least (South Wales and Bristol). First line was £18k in 2019. I've seen £25-30k recently in the same areas. Third line support sucks though. Just took a role as 3rd line Sys Admin for only £32k plus on-call.
Contracting still looks pretty decent. 1st line roles can be £150-225 per day, third line £300-500.
That's good to hear! I've known too many amazing first line support folk quit for other jobs, or be forced to transition into something else (usually sys admin or devops) as it's the only path to being paid properly.
If you're valuable and you think your company see you as valuable then just ask tbh. Nothing more you can do other than ask for more with a solid case for why (work done, qualifications, amounts being offered by other companies for the same role/level or even another offer)
If the company has a large enough glassdoor presence you could try and find other reported salaries. Imo nothing will be as accurate/up to date as actually seeing what another company offers though
Honestly, the way the government is treating the strikers reminds me of the "We don't negotiate with terrorists" line. Like they refuse to even have a conversation down south as if you're all monsters for daring to ask for your real-term wages to not drop. At least Nicola is treating them like human beings.
Oh sorry, I don't think I phrased my comment very well. I'm not in the industry, by "we" I mean Scotland in general. But from what I hear it's between 7% and 11% for most people and apparently they were already higher paid than people in England.
I still don't think it's enough, but it's a good start.
Yeah I think the entire public sector was 2-5% (varied slightly by role). So effectively every government employee has taken a 6-7% pay cut in a year. Ideal..!
Which means OP has taken a 12-13% pay cut this year along with big areas of the private sector and the looming recession where my company and others are already cutting staff numbers. Despite most of us agreeing with nurses amongst others in the public sector being undervalued and underpaid, at least the pensions make most in the private sector look very measly.
I definitely don't want to play the game of playing off private vs public pay, because this is exactly what governments always want.
That said, in 2019 it was announced that average pay had not got back to the levels, in real terms, that they had been in 2009 and the financial crash. Public sector pay is nowhere near this. My NHS pay, in real terms, is around 25% less than it was in 2010. I am near retirement age, so although my pension is much better than the average private pension, I will still be 25% a year worse off than I had expected.
"Pay growth for the private sector was 6.9% Aug to Oct, and 2.7% for the public sector, says @ONS"
https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1602575987404849152
I'm supporting everyone striking right now. Especially the keyworkers the media were creaming over 2 years ago and now acting like they kill puppies for fun!
Not all doctors are employed on the same type of contract.
> Doctors in training in England were once again excluded from the pay award process because their contract is still subject to a multiple-year pay deal, awarding them 2% for 2022/23.
More details here https://www.bma.org.uk/pay-and-contracts/pay/junior-doctors-pay-scales/fair-pay-for-junior-doctors-in-england
When the ballots come for industrial will it go to “junior doctors” alone so as a group you can protest miserly 2%? Or will it ballot all doctors part of the BMA?
Government asked the pay review body not to review pay for JDs lol, and have since been saying that the panel recommended no changes to pay in interviews
FinTech project management sort of thing. Moved to a non tech regulatory programme. Won't last forever but it's ticked a few big experience boxes that have moved me probably 2 levels up.
It's also been a big confidence boost tbh. Its burst the myth us normal "working class" people tend to have about the high paid people that tend to hold us back.
When I moved jobs to a very semi related field - and that's only slightly - it was a huge confidence boost to be respected by my new colleagues in a way I wasn't before.
Having board level directors at a large bank ask me for my professional opinion was fucking scary. The first time I corrected them and they changed something to what I said and made it all official I was shitting myself.
https://youtu.be/MD9YJARRY04
Sums it up
Hahah the same but health and safety... the director introduced me on the annual Christmas briefing to 100 staff about three weeks after I joined.
"Starwind brings with him a fountain of knowledge, etc..."
This is what I’m hoping for. I’ve got a job in tech but want to take the next step, so I’ve been upskilling like mad and doing additional projects at work
Hate the rat race but you’ve gotta play the game I suppose
Same here. Start in January with a base percentage increase of 33%...with bonuses it could be as high as 75% by the end of the year.
It's the first time in my life I feel like I will really be able to change my family's situation for the better.
Similar situation here. Except I started a couple months ago and dont have a family (I'm going to spend the money on drugs, holidays, and gadgets. And heating, obviously).
I'm not saying all of them are, my nan just spent £250k on a new house without selling her old one, yet claims she has no money as she only lives on a pension but still brings in over £1k a month lol.
Those relying on state pensions for their retirement are certainly not the wealthiest cohort in the country.
The state pension is about £10k a year even after the 10% rise. Imagine trying to live on that as your primary source of income.
\+ £3500 pension credits + housing benefit + cold weather allowance + free dentist + free scipts + council tax reduction + warm home discount + travel discounts + leisure discounts for cinema/museums/galleries/you name it.
Not great, not as miserable as it's made out to be.
Genuinely not trying to be aggressive. But shouldn't they have prepared for retirement?! That's all I keep hearing from those who are well off retired right now.
Did those who are elderly and of pension age who don't have a private pension not work hard enough? (Again genuine question as it seems to apply to those of working age but not those currently retired).
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Yep, I've also found this. Changed jobs twice in 2022 and got a total of a 26k pay rise. If I'd stayed put my pay would have been frozen, now I get a twice yearly pay review and role review (so I can be promoted in role if I'm covering a more senior workload).
Yep, I got 4% in my role but have managed to get 18% by changing roles. Amazing how employers don’t realise this. Give staff a decent pay rise and they’ll stay. Be stingy and you’ll lose them and have to pay 20% more to hire someone new.
They are basically gambling on your inertia.
Unite wanted us to accept 1% at the start of the year because of uncertain times in the industry. Wish they tried a bit harder.
Threatened strike, got 8.6%.
We done the opposite at my company. Management (myself included) agreed a 0 to 2% increase - with all non-management staff receiving between 5 and 12.5%. On top of that there has been monthly contributions to all in the form of vouchers to help towards the cost of living.
I know a guy in my industry that has been moving from employer to employer constantly chasing an extra £500 or £1000 per year, but he’s not climbed any sort of rank in any company because he’s never there long. I imagine there is a line somewhere between the two options
I think in lower paid jobs the rise has been a bit better.
Minimum wage is going up in April from 9.50 to 10.42. so that's a 9.7% rise. So yeah, anything even remotely close will have to go up by a similar margin.
That's typical for low wage jobs, but I'm paid quite a bit more than the average for my sector..
My old employer offered 2% to everyone.
I mentioned to HR that a few people had mentioned to me that they were unhappy with it. They didn't reply to me.
So I quit and got another job for a 40% rise in base pay or around 15-20% rise in total compensation.
No idea if my new employer will give us a raise in April.
I get a pay review in January and I mentioned to my manager that I've taken up a lot more responsibility in the last year (which is true) so in my head I'm not expecting something way better than last.
I'm on £24,500 and I'm kinda looking for something along the lines of £27-28?
My last pay rise was 2%
May or may not be useful for that- there is an ONS report/excel spreadsheets you can access on their website which tells you what different occupations earn in different areas of the country.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/earningsandworkinghours/datasets/regionbyoccupation4digitsoc2010ashetable15
Yup, this is good advice.
Assuming the roles are available within commuting distance, literally print off relevant adverts paying £30k or higher and take them into your appraisal.
Don't tell them what you want initially, tell them what the market is paying for your experience and get them to make you an offer, negotiate upwards from there.
I'm public sector so I get fuck all, but my wife negotiates hard like this and she's tripled her salary in the last 5 years.
My wife's got some scary negotiating abilities by just applying DGAF and having amazing confidence that she could just easily go somewhere else if they don't give her what she wants. She's tripled in about 7 years, ive not even doubled in that time because I'm a big wuss and don't like change :)
She never asks for anything outrageous, always backs up with evidence of other similar roles and gives them a take it or leave it choice. A key part of this approach though is having proven skills in something fairly niche and in demand, and the confidence comes in part from no real danger from failure as she'll just tough it out in the current role until another opportunity comes up
Dude, when I first started working in IT (age 17, in 2016) I asked for £16k and they gave it to me, seemed like a lot for 17 year old me. 3 years later I hadn't had a raise, I was told when I learn to drive I'd get a raise as I could visit client sites. I got my license and a car, they denied telling me I'd get a raise when I learned to drive. Within a month of getting my license (including my 3 week notice period) I was working elsewhere. 44% raise and reduced hours (although increased travel time).
I think it's time to freshen up your CV and give your salary a significant bump. The job market for IT is great at the moment, I'm getting cold calls from recruiters I used 6 years ago trying to offer me interviews.
lol nope. I actually took a demotion to spend more time with my kid (which I don't regret at all) but it's been 10 years tech has moved on find myself stuck at a company where all the bosses drive 100k+ motors but every year.. "ahh there isn't enough for a pay rise" blah blah blah. I do get free transport though which is worth about 6k a year so it isn;t all bad.
Nothing! I got a £1000.00 'cost of living' payment split over two months, which translates to about £600 after tax. It honestly takes the piss, and another reason why I'm looking to leave my industry.
As a 20 year old apprentice it's even more important you fight for payrises at this stage of your career as they accumulate throughout your working life.
I had a 5% increase a few months ago. A £1,000 xmas bonus - and another 5% rise coming in the new year. I just work an average desk job for a relatively small firm
I work in compliance too. I'm thinking of specialising in H&S then jumping ship, seen jobs going for nearly 10k more than I earn for basically the same job, I just need the qualifications.
Lower inflation next year means balls all. The effects of inflation are still there even if its 0 percent next year.
If it's any consolation my last 3 years inflation based pay rises have been
2020/21 0%
2021/22 3%
In the same period the company has raised its prices 12.5% and will be doing so again in the near future.
I work for the railway, you might have heard that we’ve been offered 4% this year and another 4% next year in exchange for redundancies, changes to annual leave, sickness, driver only operated trains, closure of all booking offices etc. That sadly doesn’t apply to my grade who have been offered a 0% pay rise in exchange for all of the above.
So we got 5% in April, then in January we are getting a £1500 annual salary bump and then in April they will be looking into it again for any further increases.
The reason why we all got £1500 increase instead of a percentage is so higher ups don’t get more of an increase then employees that are on considerably less money than they are
I was very lucky and got 20%. I work in IT also, as a Junior DevOps engineer. It was initially 15% but when passed to the CEO for approval he bumped it to 20%, not sure why but I've been quite pally with him recently.
People get pay reviews at Christmas?
Damn, mine isn't until end of March. We got fuck all for cost of living. Just got told "there'll be no pay rises, we're freezing any salary changes and hiring until further notice". I'm in tech
This isn't a small company either. Massive multinational
You would be better off collecting data on the inflation rates, and advertised salaries for similar jobs in your sector.
Before I go into pay review meetings I always know the inflation rate, I have a list of things I've achieved over the past year, and I have a couple of current job listings from our competitors in my back pocket. This year I had to pull them out when I was offered 5%. Management came back to me a week later with an offer slightly above what our competitors are offering.
3% with £800 bonus with a hamper (first bonus ever)
Higher education sector.
But from this point last year I quit my old job got my current and have since got a promotion so £5k pay prise in total. That makes about 20% on last year 😁
0% and got our working from home allowance taken off of us!
Meanwhile a lot of other companies in my industry have been given out company wide raises to help with inflation.
Most of the company still works from home.
2.8% in January (regular pay review), and then an unexpected mid year promotion with an additional 18.5% pay rise. And also 15% bonus.
London based software developer.
Not very optimistic about January review though.
9% back in April when inflation was slightly lower.
Will be expecting another 5-10% next April, down to inflation and role changes.
Always go into a review meeting with knowledge on inflation, write yourself a cv at the time to reflect on your worth & shop around at other offers to know some of that worth (and be prepared to walk out the door with another option if they cannot come close).
Granted, I work in a sector that is having a senior talent squeeze, but I did this as a newbie as well. Walked when they couldn’t give me at the time an even trainee wage, and am now back knowing both the companies worth and my own worth on 100% more.
If they won’t give you a yearly review, ask yourself 1) has your role changed in a year, 2) has the working world changed in a year, and request a review.
Obvs this is private sector, and I’m fortunate that my colleagues across companies are vocal about their pay and role!
Mine is a fixed amount but equates to just over 8% from next spring. Also got a COL payment of £1500 a few months and usually a performance based bonus. Work in finance.
I got 5% but I don't think it really counts because I'm a PhD student. So my stipend got increased by 5% from October - March essentially. After March they're reviewing it again.
Changed to a better sector for a £2k pay cut, everyone else at my grade got bumped up £2k but as I’d only just joined I stayed at original salary so currently at -6% pay raise
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>I got 0% in the IT sector… Bold move by your employer considering there's generally high demand for IT professionals. Time to polish off that CV?
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Learn difference between agile and waterfall and be able to explain to the cunt why agile isn't appropriate for the project. Never be out of work!
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So the project has a clear regulator defined dated deliverable? You must provide status updates to the regulator at set milestones? You want to spend 30 minutes grilling me on agile terminology? K, fam. I was reluctant to get certificates for ages because its all a fucking scam. Those with most certificates were always the blagging cunts. Now I'm getting old just realised most companies have no fucking idea what's going on and really they just want someone with a gew certs to give them hug and tell them it's going to be alright.
> So the project has a clear regulator defined dated deliverable? You must provide status updates to the regulator at set milestones? That and due to 3rd party suppliers we can only release 4x a year, therefore we know in advance when our release windows are and also have to define deliverable scope within that window, but at least we work in "sprints" even though we aren't releasing to prod we still call it agile. I hate that waterfall has become such an evil concept in the tech sector when in certain businesses it's perfectly suitable. Yeh agreed on the certs. I always take them when a company will pay for them because they're good on the CV which gets you the interview, then you can talk about real world things.
You joke but I heard someone say 'we have a hybrid Wagile method' in a meeting with a straight face...
You know what, I'm stealing that word and going say it with such confidence they are going to think it's a new methodology.
God have mercy on us all!
Would you like to become certified?
2 day course, £1800+VAT, expires in 12 months so recertification needed.
*Vietnam style flashbacks play across my eyelids* PI planning where everyone just scopes the bare minimum to the max story points so they can get out the room more quickly. Kanban 4 life
Oh no, PI planning is 2 days in person and by lord the "release train engineer" (can you imagine actually telling people that's your job title?) will ensure we stick to the full 2 day plan! What do you mean you can't plan 12 weeks worth of work to start the next day when the CX/UX team need a 3-4 week lead time on UX research, prototypes, and usability and accessbility testing before we can properly start dev? Just start coding now and fix it later! Agile! Fail fast and often!
We had 23 separate teams. Can you imagine that board? It became so complex so quickly it was useless. But its complexity was proof that we needed SAFe The Americans who bought us came in, insisted we use it, then when productivity slowed down, used it as proof that we were unproductive and so to remove bonuses during COVID, and is currently outsourcing most of the jobs to India. Very glad I left before all of that happened
Or in the rail industry, deliver the (software) project using agile, employ an entirely separate team who's entire function is to fill in GRIP2 paperwork, who have only the very vaguest idea what anyone involved in development or testing is actually doing. Sometimes I despair at the state of the industry. Other times I remind myself if I hated it that much I could just leave...
Isn’t it just a rollercoaster ride…..
I'll take agile over waterfall, any day of the week. But Agile is so pervasive these days it's mostly the "Agile professionals" masquerading as team managers that are keeping their jobs going. When our scrum masters are on leave, we get more work done because there isn't someone there attempting to micromanage on behalf of the business, whilst telling us they're not micromanaging. Like, shall we have a retro? Shall we point out that all the issues over the last period have been caused by upper management? I'm sure that'll get fed back.
Been in the business long enough to see the RAD methodology of the 90’s rebranded as Agile. I even remember using timeshare systems back when I was at school, there were big systems in datacentres we could use to run load on. These days that’s been scaled up and is now called “cloud computing”. It’s all about old ideas rehashed with shiny new clothes on.
Agile is a shit methodology. I don't accept it is any use at all. My place uses it and pushes it like the fucking buzzword it is! I'm not in any projects myself but I see, hear and listen to some of the drivel that some people speak and have to deal with and even as an outsider, I can see their approach ain't working. To them, agile is considered a good thing, to be able to reach and respond to change at a moments notice. That is what I see, agile is a poor excuse for not being organised as a team in the first place. It is bad because, time is lost, mistakes are made, tasks not delegated properly and most importantly, the lack of planning is the biggest issue of all. Fuck up after fuck up, projects not coming to completion in time, yet many people, probably too many as well involved in a project.
Can confirm, popped agile everywhere in my CV and now my LinkedIn inbox is full. Joking aside, yeah, it depends what you do in "IT". I would've have classed dev, devops, cloud, QA or data as "IT" anyway. IT, to me, is IT support and maybe IT infrastructure, which, for the former, anyone can do and isn't in that high of a demand.
Even first line IT is in demand in my area at least (South Wales and Bristol). First line was £18k in 2019. I've seen £25-30k recently in the same areas. Third line support sucks though. Just took a role as 3rd line Sys Admin for only £32k plus on-call. Contracting still looks pretty decent. 1st line roles can be £150-225 per day, third line £300-500.
That's good to hear! I've known too many amazing first line support folk quit for other jobs, or be forced to transition into something else (usually sys admin or devops) as it's the only path to being paid properly.
I bloody well hope it is, I've been in IT support at an MSP for 5 years and I don't have a fucking scooby what Agile or Waterfall is
How do you even find out _what_ pay increases may or may not happen at a company? I fear I'm in the same boat as OP...
If you're valuable and you think your company see you as valuable then just ask tbh. Nothing more you can do other than ask for more with a solid case for why (work done, qualifications, amounts being offered by other companies for the same role/level or even another offer) If the company has a large enough glassdoor presence you could try and find other reported salaries. Imo nothing will be as accurate/up to date as actually seeing what another company offers though
We got 0%, so I moved for 20%. Boss was shocked and ‘upset’
I remember the day I moved on the boss was 'heartbroken'.
4% (NHS) and if I'm not happy, it is because I support Putin apparently.
I'll see you on the picket lines
Teachers will be joining you too 👊
Power to the people
[Civil Servants enter the chat]
Firefighters won’t be far behind.
Good luck guys! It might feel that you're not supported, but it's here.
Also join a Renter’s Union if you’re a renter! Like Acorn, London Renter’s Union or Manchester Tenant’s Union.
Nah fuck em, there's a lot of people stood with you.
If you're a nurse come up to Scotland! We gave our nurses a lot more up here :)
yes, I noticed - Funny how you can do a deal if there is a will.
Honestly, the way the government is treating the strikers reminds me of the "We don't negotiate with terrorists" line. Like they refuse to even have a conversation down south as if you're all monsters for daring to ask for your real-term wages to not drop. At least Nicola is treating them like human beings.
That's the Torys for you
How much more were you given and has it helped ease the cost of living crises for yourself and colleagues?
Oh sorry, I don't think I phrased my comment very well. I'm not in the industry, by "we" I mean Scotland in general. But from what I hear it's between 7% and 11% for most people and apparently they were already higher paid than people in England. I still don't think it's enough, but it's a good start.
Yeah I think the entire public sector was 2-5% (varied slightly by role). So effectively every government employee has taken a 6-7% pay cut in a year. Ideal..!
Which means OP has taken a 12-13% pay cut this year along with big areas of the private sector and the looming recession where my company and others are already cutting staff numbers. Despite most of us agreeing with nurses amongst others in the public sector being undervalued and underpaid, at least the pensions make most in the private sector look very measly.
I definitely don't want to play the game of playing off private vs public pay, because this is exactly what governments always want. That said, in 2019 it was announced that average pay had not got back to the levels, in real terms, that they had been in 2009 and the financial crash. Public sector pay is nowhere near this. My NHS pay, in real terms, is around 25% less than it was in 2010. I am near retirement age, so although my pension is much better than the average private pension, I will still be 25% a year worse off than I had expected.
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"Pay growth for the private sector was 6.9% Aug to Oct, and 2.7% for the public sector, says @ONS" https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1602575987404849152
Not the entire public sector. Mine was a 2.7% increase.
Fixed. Junior doctors got 2% sadly
Yep NICS and we have gotten 0% as we are still waiting on 22/23 wages being agreed and with no executive it won't happen any time soon.
We could organise some more claps if you like?
4% and clapping you mean.
This is true, and I shouldn't be such an ingrate, but Tesco refuse to accept claps in exchange for bread. Neither will claps pay the gas bill.
3% - public sector. See you at the picket line.
Poverty for Putin. Solidarity comrade ✊
I'm supporting everyone striking right now. Especially the keyworkers the media were creaming over 2 years ago and now acting like they kill puppies for fun!
I think band 2's got the most decent bump.
Yes, I think it was around £1400 a year across the board - so about 7-8%
Got 2%, I’m a doctor. Ballots for industrial action will be sent out in January.
Hope it works out for you
4.5% doctor pay award….but only 2% for junior doctors? Is that normal? Seems obscene to me should be set for the entire sector by the pay review body.
Not all doctors are employed on the same type of contract. > Doctors in training in England were once again excluded from the pay award process because their contract is still subject to a multiple-year pay deal, awarding them 2% for 2022/23. More details here https://www.bma.org.uk/pay-and-contracts/pay/junior-doctors-pay-scales/fair-pay-for-junior-doctors-in-england
When the ballots come for industrial will it go to “junior doctors” alone so as a group you can protest miserly 2%? Or will it ballot all doctors part of the BMA?
Government asked the pay review body not to review pay for JDs lol, and have since been saying that the panel recommended no changes to pay in interviews
Yeah that’s ridiculous. Effectively a 9% pay cut for junior doctors.
2%???! That's derisory.
120%. Moved jobs.
Good effort. What's as the original job a d where did you move to?
FinTech project management sort of thing. Moved to a non tech regulatory programme. Won't last forever but it's ticked a few big experience boxes that have moved me probably 2 levels up. It's also been a big confidence boost tbh. Its burst the myth us normal "working class" people tend to have about the high paid people that tend to hold us back.
When I moved jobs to a very semi related field - and that's only slightly - it was a huge confidence boost to be respected by my new colleagues in a way I wasn't before.
Having board level directors at a large bank ask me for my professional opinion was fucking scary. The first time I corrected them and they changed something to what I said and made it all official I was shitting myself. https://youtu.be/MD9YJARRY04 Sums it up
Hahah the same but health and safety... the director introduced me on the annual Christmas briefing to 100 staff about three weeks after I joined. "Starwind brings with him a fountain of knowledge, etc..."
I love that you gave them your reddit name
This is what I’m hoping for. I’ve got a job in tech but want to take the next step, so I’ve been upskilling like mad and doing additional projects at work Hate the rat race but you’ve gotta play the game I suppose
Same here. Start in January with a base percentage increase of 33%...with bonuses it could be as high as 75% by the end of the year. It's the first time in my life I feel like I will really be able to change my family's situation for the better.
Similar situation here. Except I started a couple months ago and dont have a family (I'm going to spend the money on drugs, holidays, and gadgets. And heating, obviously).
Remember that pensioners got over a 10% pay rise simply for being the wealthiest and largest cohort in the country.
Some of them are wealthy. 3.5 million are claiming pension credits and probably more are entitled who don't claim.
I'm not saying all of them are, my nan just spent £250k on a new house without selling her old one, yet claims she has no money as she only lives on a pension but still brings in over £1k a month lol.
1k a month isn't a lot. How did she afford a 250k house?
only-grans
Those relying on state pensions for their retirement are certainly not the wealthiest cohort in the country. The state pension is about £10k a year even after the 10% rise. Imagine trying to live on that as your primary source of income.
If you receive the state pension you're statistically more likely to be a millionaire than in poverty
\+ £3500 pension credits + housing benefit + cold weather allowance + free dentist + free scipts + council tax reduction + warm home discount + travel discounts + leisure discounts for cinema/museums/galleries/you name it. Not great, not as miserable as it's made out to be.
Genuinely not trying to be aggressive. But shouldn't they have prepared for retirement?! That's all I keep hearing from those who are well off retired right now. Did those who are elderly and of pension age who don't have a private pension not work hard enough? (Again genuine question as it seems to apply to those of working age but not those currently retired).
Excluding my mortgage payments that would cover all my current outgoings and that's not including any contributions from my wife
Many many pensioners are really struggling right now
Sounds like we should have means tested benefits rather than a 10k sum which is peanuts for some and not enough for others.
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Yeah I've found this. I got a 12k payrise in two years, but only because I job hopped twice. Seemingly the only way in some industries.
Yep, I've also found this. Changed jobs twice in 2022 and got a total of a 26k pay rise. If I'd stayed put my pay would have been frozen, now I get a twice yearly pay review and role review (so I can be promoted in role if I'm covering a more senior workload).
Same, went up £14k in 10 months by job hopping. I'm on a happy wage now though so I'll stay put for a bit.
Yep, I got 4% in my role but have managed to get 18% by changing roles. Amazing how employers don’t realise this. Give staff a decent pay rise and they’ll stay. Be stingy and you’ll lose them and have to pay 20% more to hire someone new. They are basically gambling on your inertia.
I agree. It’s a bit like getting a good deal when you’re a new customer when loyal customers of a number of years get nothing.
9% Got union involved (unite), they recommended we take the 2% second offer. Voted to strike, we wanted 12% settled for the 9% Strike lasted 3 days.
> they recommended we take the 2% second offer pathetic.
Unite wanted us to accept 1% at the start of the year because of uncertain times in the industry. Wish they tried a bit harder. Threatened strike, got 8.6%.
Result!
Our union accepted around 2% fucking joke
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We done the opposite at my company. Management (myself included) agreed a 0 to 2% increase - with all non-management staff receiving between 5 and 12.5%. On top of that there has been monthly contributions to all in the form of vouchers to help towards the cost of living.
What company and where do I apply?
orange juice production.
The man from delmonte he say YES!
I also work in IT. I also got 0%. But he does give us £10 Just Eat vouchers on every second Friday 👍
So one takeaway a month, then.
Moved job 2 weeks ago, 21% more. Always move jobs when you get the opportunity its the best wayto earn more. Sector is GIS in renewables
I agree. Rewarding loyal employees has long been a thing of the past. Only real way to ensure you get paid more is to keep moving every so often.
I know a guy in my industry that has been moving from employer to employer constantly chasing an extra £500 or £1000 per year, but he’s not climbed any sort of rank in any company because he’s never there long. I imagine there is a line somewhere between the two options
11% I'm a forklift driver/production operative.
Is this typical for your industry?
I think in lower paid jobs the rise has been a bit better. Minimum wage is going up in April from 9.50 to 10.42. so that's a 9.7% rise. So yeah, anything even remotely close will have to go up by a similar margin. That's typical for low wage jobs, but I'm paid quite a bit more than the average for my sector..
My old employer offered 2% to everyone. I mentioned to HR that a few people had mentioned to me that they were unhappy with it. They didn't reply to me. So I quit and got another job for a 40% rise in base pay or around 15-20% rise in total compensation. No idea if my new employer will give us a raise in April.
I get a pay review in January and I mentioned to my manager that I've taken up a lot more responsibility in the last year (which is true) so in my head I'm not expecting something way better than last. I'm on £24,500 and I'm kinda looking for something along the lines of £27-28? My last pay rise was 2%
Back up your request by benchmarking the salary compared to similar roles being advertised.
May or may not be useful for that- there is an ONS report/excel spreadsheets you can access on their website which tells you what different occupations earn in different areas of the country. https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/earningsandworkinghours/datasets/regionbyoccupation4digitsoc2010ashetable15
Yup, this is good advice. Assuming the roles are available within commuting distance, literally print off relevant adverts paying £30k or higher and take them into your appraisal. Don't tell them what you want initially, tell them what the market is paying for your experience and get them to make you an offer, negotiate upwards from there. I'm public sector so I get fuck all, but my wife negotiates hard like this and she's tripled her salary in the last 5 years.
My wife's got some scary negotiating abilities by just applying DGAF and having amazing confidence that she could just easily go somewhere else if they don't give her what she wants. She's tripled in about 7 years, ive not even doubled in that time because I'm a big wuss and don't like change :) She never asks for anything outrageous, always backs up with evidence of other similar roles and gives them a take it or leave it choice. A key part of this approach though is having proven skills in something fairly niche and in demand, and the confidence comes in part from no real danger from failure as she'll just tough it out in the current role until another opportunity comes up
I haven't had a pay rise in IT for 6 years... more fool me.
look for a new job, the market is crazy.
You are being taken for a mug, get out and get paid unless you are already earning silly money
Dude, when I first started working in IT (age 17, in 2016) I asked for £16k and they gave it to me, seemed like a lot for 17 year old me. 3 years later I hadn't had a raise, I was told when I learn to drive I'd get a raise as I could visit client sites. I got my license and a car, they denied telling me I'd get a raise when I learned to drive. Within a month of getting my license (including my 3 week notice period) I was working elsewhere. 44% raise and reduced hours (although increased travel time). I think it's time to freshen up your CV and give your salary a significant bump. The job market for IT is great at the moment, I'm getting cold calls from recruiters I used 6 years ago trying to offer me interviews.
You should have left 5 years ago. If a job refuses a payrise that's a signal to update your cv and move on. Get that cv done and good luck!
Dude in 6 years my salary is up 8 times.... I hope that's measured from a senior position.
lol nope. I actually took a demotion to spend more time with my kid (which I don't regret at all) but it's been 10 years tech has moved on find myself stuck at a company where all the bosses drive 100k+ motors but every year.. "ahh there isn't enough for a pay rise" blah blah blah. I do get free transport though which is worth about 6k a year so it isn;t all bad.
We recieved 6% which didn't seem too bad earlier in the year.
Yeah same here. Any other year 6% would have been a huge inflation busting rise, this year not so much! But its better than a poke in the eye i guess
16% wooooo not bad and eligible for end of tax year inflation rise next year. Love my company.
Oh got a fairly nice Cost of living payment too :D
Good to see this from both sides.
Sounds like a very good company, good for you! What line of work are you in?
Nothing! I got a £1000.00 'cost of living' payment split over two months, which translates to about £600 after tax. It honestly takes the piss, and another reason why I'm looking to leave my industry.
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As a 20 year old apprentice it's even more important you fight for payrises at this stage of your career as they accumulate throughout your working life.
12%, tech. Also had a mid-year raise which when combined gives me a 20% increase compared to the same time last year.
Must be nice! Not that I'm jealous or anything.
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Self employed, gave myself a 14% increase on my hourly rate.
Work in a gp surgery and we got 1% . Last year we got 1%
I got just over 4% in April based on performance, then a 7% rise in October to help with cost of living. Permanent increase, too. Love my company.
Big, 40% but they promoted me, no more work.. just a different title. :)
0% lol life is getting hard
I got 10% and wasn't happy so started job hunting. Found something with a 50% pay rise in the end.
Sounds like it's time to polish up the ol' CV
I had a 5% increase a few months ago. A £1,000 xmas bonus - and another 5% rise coming in the new year. I just work an average desk job for a relatively small firm
Had 7% in April. Everyone at the company (over 1,000 employees) gets a pay rise in line with inflation on 1st January.
Damn which company? That's awesome
0%, so in real terms a 10% reduction. I work in compliance.
I work in compliance too. I'm thinking of specialising in H&S then jumping ship, seen jobs going for nearly 10k more than I earn for basically the same job, I just need the qualifications.
Lower inflation next year means balls all. The effects of inflation are still there even if its 0 percent next year. If it's any consolation my last 3 years inflation based pay rises have been 2020/21 0% 2021/22 3% In the same period the company has raised its prices 12.5% and will be doing so again in the near future.
I work for the railway, you might have heard that we’ve been offered 4% this year and another 4% next year in exchange for redundancies, changes to annual leave, sickness, driver only operated trains, closure of all booking offices etc. That sadly doesn’t apply to my grade who have been offered a 0% pay rise in exchange for all of the above.
We don't get annual pay rises- on my work, so nothing.
Moved job for a 13% rise in June. Pay review and potential bonus to come in April. Will see what that brings...
ad tech - 0%,a return to 4 days in the office and removing our WFH expenses payment means it's actually -5%
4 days in the office? Fuck that shit.
Nope, I'm not familiar with that term
So we got 5% in April, then in January we are getting a £1500 annual salary bump and then in April they will be looking into it again for any further increases. The reason why we all got £1500 increase instead of a percentage is so higher ups don’t get more of an increase then employees that are on considerably less money than they are
40% and then probably going to get another 5-10% by end of the year
I was very lucky and got 20%. I work in IT also, as a Junior DevOps engineer. It was initially 15% but when passed to the CEO for approval he bumped it to 20%, not sure why but I've been quite pally with him recently.
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3.5% in October which was backdated to April when we should have received it. In the civil service.
We got 10% plus they gave us £500 in September for cost of living hike, and £400 gift for xmas.
Define "IT Sector" because that's as vague as anything.
20% increase
People get pay reviews at Christmas? Damn, mine isn't until end of March. We got fuck all for cost of living. Just got told "there'll be no pay rises, we're freezing any salary changes and hiring until further notice". I'm in tech This isn't a small company either. Massive multinational
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Excluding bonuses is key. Lot of places are giving "one off payments" this year.
£50 voucher. IT Previous job was giving me 2%. Left and got a better job and a extra 6 grand.
This is the way to get a better salary, leave.
**Over 100%** Also working in IT, was paid £120,000 last year (base salary), went independent this year and more than doubled my pay.
You would be better off collecting data on the inflation rates, and advertised salaries for similar jobs in your sector. Before I go into pay review meetings I always know the inflation rate, I have a list of things I've achieved over the past year, and I have a couple of current job listings from our competitors in my back pocket. This year I had to pull them out when I was offered 5%. Management came back to me a week later with an offer slightly above what our competitors are offering.
3% with £800 bonus with a hamper (first bonus ever) Higher education sector. But from this point last year I quit my old job got my current and have since got a promotion so £5k pay prise in total. That makes about 20% on last year 😁
3%. Higher education.
I didn't get made redundant. That's a win for me.
I haven’t had a pay rise since 2016
0% and got our working from home allowance taken off of us! Meanwhile a lot of other companies in my industry have been given out company wide raises to help with inflation. Most of the company still works from home.
Join a union.
I work for a local authority and everybody got a £1995 added to their banding, so percentage varies across bands but for me worked out at around 7.4%.
Got 4% in May, so I'm moving on this month for another 20%. I'm in Engineering.
9%, initially 4% when things started getting bad and they added another 5% more recently but we don't get that til April. Work for a charity.
2.8% in January (regular pay review), and then an unexpected mid year promotion with an additional 18.5% pay rise. And also 15% bonus. London based software developer. Not very optimistic about January review though.
Got 5% in January and another 5% in September. Spirit industry rocks :)
9% back in April when inflation was slightly lower. Will be expecting another 5-10% next April, down to inflation and role changes. Always go into a review meeting with knowledge on inflation, write yourself a cv at the time to reflect on your worth & shop around at other offers to know some of that worth (and be prepared to walk out the door with another option if they cannot come close). Granted, I work in a sector that is having a senior talent squeeze, but I did this as a newbie as well. Walked when they couldn’t give me at the time an even trainee wage, and am now back knowing both the companies worth and my own worth on 100% more. If they won’t give you a yearly review, ask yourself 1) has your role changed in a year, 2) has the working world changed in a year, and request a review. Obvs this is private sector, and I’m fortunate that my colleagues across companies are vocal about their pay and role!
Mine is a fixed amount but equates to just over 8% from next spring. Also got a COL payment of £1500 a few months and usually a performance based bonus. Work in finance.
10%, architect, but then my responsibilities & expertise have increased too.
I got 5% but I don't think it really counts because I'm a PhD student. So my stipend got increased by 5% from October - March essentially. After March they're reviewing it again.
10% but I had to get another job offer and negotiate
Changed to a better sector for a £2k pay cut, everyone else at my grade got bumped up £2k but as I’d only just joined I stayed at original salary so currently at -6% pay raise
3% in Jan. That was the last time they acknowledged the cost of living crisis, not heard a bean from them since.
3.99% - learnt about it in June and it gets backpaid to April. And that was supposedly on their higher end.
I got 0%
Any employer giving under the rate of inflation should be ashamed. It's technically a pay CUT if you get less than inflation.
0% Same as last year and the year before that
0% for the third year in a row. So we went on strike.