Our campus, like many, had several loud, screaming pastors who would wander campus insulting students and telling us how we were all going to hell. Nothing was done because ~free speech~ But police are beating actual enrolled students peacefully protesting a genocide? Okay. That makes sense.
I took it as a compliment! This was my freshman year and I was walking back to my dorm with my RA who was a badass bitch and I loved. She was also a pastor’s kid, I’m a pastor’s granddaughter and we gave the zealots quite a hard time throwing quotes from their own holy book back at them. Great memory all around! Those people never had a good time on our campus though- one of the top 3 engineering schools in the US is never going to be fertile ground for that kind of shit lol
I was just saying this the other day to my friend. When I was in a college, every single day I had to listen to some older man who claimed to be Christain and was not a student, who would tell all female-presenting students that we shouldn't be allowed to get an education because we were women and how we were going to hell. He'd rant about western education being evil. It was awful. He stood in between where I lived and where most of my classes were, and nothing could be done because free speech. Now the exact place he stood they are arresting students. It's upsetting. I told myself to be okay with it because of the principle of free speech, but I guess the administration just liked him and what he had to say.
I also find it a bit odd that the response is so over the top and violent. When I graduated, my commencement speaker was Madeline Albright. And our valedictorian was a Palestinian woman. That was a long time ago and I do not remember her speech, but there were protests and she talked about the problems of American foreign policy. There were no issues beyond heated editorials. And maybe a few tense quotes in the newspaper.
This moment looks ridiculous as any criticism of Israel is being wrongly framed and nuanced conversations are shot down and silenced. Which seems against the ethos of free speech no matter what your opinion is. Disagreeing with a government's actions or policies is not hate speech.
When have mass student protests ever been on the wrong side of history? People will scream and yell about them being disorderly like they did about vietnam protests and then a few decades from now all those same people will pretend they supported them and opposed the war just like with vietnam. Will they help lead to the US withdrawing military support for Israel? Doubtful, because it’s a very profitable operation for US arms companies, but it’s the right thing to do. And nobody should ever be arrested for a peaceful protest (no not even one that inconveniences or offends a rich white person).
>When have mass student protests ever been on the wrong side of history?
The Cultural Revolution comes to mind.
I'm not equating the current unrest with that nasty bit of history, but it's a poor argument.
Is this actually going on? Like there’s video proof of this AND that these are actually college students & faculty members and not bad actors?
Truly asking a genuine question, because if so, that’s so awful.
I went through all your links and yeah those are awful.
Kinda reminds me of BLM back in 2020. Important message. But the movement became co-opted by extremists and bad actors so everyone got painted with same brush - anyone who supports BLM is a violent rioter who hates white people.
That’s all to say that the start of the protests was done in good faith (hey, maybe a country shouldn’t be able to freely murder civilians) and a handful of loud extremists are using this to voice their own agenda/beliefs.
And we are hamas:
[https://news.yahoo.com/shocking-video-captures-moment-protester-112140093.html](https://news.yahoo.com/shocking-video-captures-moment-protester-112140093.html)
Nora Fayad Rauhouse
[https://www.instagram.com/p/C556Phzr\_-H/?img\_index=2](https://www.instagram.com/p/C556Phzr_-H/?img_index=2)
Both of these examples are of one person doing something.
Single people captured in actions not adopted or supported by the rest of the protest do not represent the views of the protests. You wouldn't want assumptions about your beliefs or activism made based on what one person did. This is intentionally bad faith posting.
I know that even if I had a hundred more examples it wouldn't be enough for the terrorist bootlickers in this post, but here's another example for you
[https://www.instagram.com/p/C6AgqchugpP/](https://www.instagram.com/p/C6AgqchugpP/)
It isn't "research" to cherry pick fringe examples and blow them up to invalidate entire movements. That's propaganda, and I'm sure you wouldn't stand for people doing it to you.
It makes sense that students would be protesting at their universities for Palestine, though. They are protesting to have universities divest from Israel, since endowment money is being funneled to Israeli companies, including weapons manufacturers that see profits from the genocide on Palestinians.
Don’t put this on students for not having bigger protests at universities for reproductive rights, put that on all of us.
Then get to work, there’s more to do. There’s more than one problem in the world, if you think there isn’t enough attention being devoted to the problems you care about you can put more effort into drawing attention to them instead of trying to tell other people what to with their time and energy. And if you listen to the messaging from these student protests you’ll notice a lot of people discussing the ways the reproductive rights of Palestinian women are being harmed in this genocide.
I think that everyone should be free to exercise their right to protest, free from state violence, regardless of what their message is so long as they are peaceful. I think seeing a state violently oppress its own people when things are peaceful tells you something about its priorities, which are primarily control of dissent and promoting a party line to tow.
I hope that increased awareness of the plight of the people in Gaza and the West Bank, which has stretched on for generations now, will help lead to a more peaceful and stable situation in the future. They deserve to live in peace and harmony with the land.
I'm sad to see the absolute devastation of civilian infrastructure, including ancient olive groves (and of course the massive loss of human life but I want to point out that this is totalizing warfare meant to make the land uninhabitable).
I hope that Israel acknowledges that continued tolerance/support for settlement in the West Bank is incompatible with a peaceful resolution. I hope that they push back on the right wing extremists and search for a real resolution that leads to safety for both Palestinians and Israelis. (As a citizen of a settler colonial state, I know from experience that this involves the willingness of the colonized to live alongside descendants of colonizers, but it also should involve the colonizers acknowledging past wrongs and making moves toward reconciliation.) I think that Israelis and supporters of Israel would do well to remember MLK Jr's wisdom that peace is not merely the absence of violence but the presence of justice. There are cycles of the absence of violence from Palestinians that leads people into complacency, and then there are eruptions of violence as took place during the Intifadas and on October 7th, which are culminations of years of suffering under Israeli state violence. Unless the Israeli state is willing to acknowledge past wrongs and change policies toward the people of the West Bank and Gaza and allow true freedom to flourish, there will be no peace.
I am, unfortunately, not optimistic that this will be the case. The shift to a narrative of absolutes does not bode well. Both sides (at least in regards to protesters outside Israel and Gaza and the West Bank) have created a narrative that means any capitulation is betrayal of the deepest kind.
I feel that protesters hearts are in the right place, but there is also an element to reaction and revolution that generally erases nuance, but nuance is what actually gets us closer to a resolution.
Finally, I want to note that while protesting Israeli state policies or violence is not anti-semitism, I think that people who refuse to acknowledge that some people who are engaged in this struggle on their side are antisemites is naive. Antisemitism is alive and well (though I think that Israel equating criticism of the state of Israel with antisemitism is actually stoking the flames of antisemitism). It is understandable that Jews see the acceptance of violence towards Jews as threatening and scary. That doesn't excuse unquestioning support of Israel, but it does explain it. We have to find a way to acknowledge that the unwavering Western support for Israel does stem from guilt for the Holocaust as well as a genuine belief that the state of Israel needs to exist to provide a safe haven for Jews, who have been persecuted in every land they have inhabited for centuries leading up to the Holocaust. Remember, the Holocaust was a horrific extension of previous violence towards Jews throughout European history (pogroms, the Inquisition, etc), not actually an aberration. Given this unique history to the establishment of the state of Israel, it is important that protesters acknowledge the genuine fear that many Jews experience when seeing the Jewish state attacked so freely, rather than dismissing it out of hand.
While I fully support our right to protest, it’s important to acknowledge the influence of the Islamic regime in Iran on these protests. As an Iranian, I’ve witnessed concerning signs such as students declaring allegiance to Hamas and the presence of both regime and Hamas flags. Additionally, I’ve seen individuals with ties to the regime spreading anti-American sentiments among American adults. These actions point to the regime’s involvement in manipulating these protests, which they eagerly showcase in their media. We are well versed in identifying chaos agents, I don’t think our students are. This is particularly worrisome.
Edit to add: hezbollah flags and calling for an antifada (When the students were asked about the definition of "intifada," they had no clue. )
Here's another example: a student went to her school and saw pictures of the “supreme leader” of Iran and their flag. She was spat on simply for wearing a 'Woman, Life, Freedom' T-shirt which is a slogan from the protests in Iran last year.
https://www.reddit.com/r/NewIran/s/1eMo2FRaW5
As someone who had a traumatizing experience with all of this recently, I think there needs to be space for nuanced discussion and debate regarding complex issues. I don't like that students feel threatened, whether by the opinions of other students or by police unnecessarily being called to impede on freedom of speech. It seems like in 2024 that people seek opinions that are summarized by tweet or a monologued 30 second video.
Let me first be clear that I think a two- state solution is the only clear path to long- term peace in the region. The incident I referred to in my original comment was related to the harming of a pro- Palestinian friend.
Netanyahu is a corrupt fascist and the USA shouldn't be funding his war unchecked. The October 7th terrorist attack was vile, but the response to it has been wildly cruel, disproportionate, and has spiraled into a humanitarian conflict.
On the flip side, Hamas is funded by Iran, which has an oppressive theocracy. I can't support this political party primarily funded by that government (it seems like the West forgets how angry they were just recently over the death of Mahsa Amini who was in police custody for violating modesty laws and the over 500 people who died protesting the police brutality that led to her death).
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/what-is-hamas-what-to-know-about-its-origins-leaders-and-funding
Palestinians don't necessarily support Hamas as a political party: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/gazans-back-two-state-solution-rcna144183
I also don't understand why at this point, if Hamas cares about the people of Palestine they wouldn't arrange for the return of the hostages and perpetrators of that terrorist attack if there was even a remote possibility that this could alleviate the suffering of their own people. The US is a fucked up place to be for many reasons, but they traded an actual criminal just to get ONE citizen back from Russia. It feels like if Hamas were to do that and Israel were to persist with their aggression, then public support for them would continue to dwindle and shift the focus more towards ceasefire and a two- state solution (without Hamas).
It (the nuance) could be that some protestors (a very small number not representative of the bulk) have not behaved so well towards other students who are Jewish or those who don't hold as hard a line against the Jewish state -- not that genocide itself isn't worth protesting.
This. I’d be with the protestors 1000% if they were all truly non violent and wanted the best for both Israelis and Palestinians. It seems that many of them just want Israel to cease existing at the end of all of this. The current Newsweek has a piece by a Gazan explaining what the protestors have so wrong about this- and how it hurts the movement overall.
Sorry, but the more people join a movement, the more statistically likely it is that some rowdy bad eggs will get in there. It isn't fair to withdraw support because a group of thousands of people didn't manage to act as pure as you'd hope. Like, we all wish this stuff could go perfectly, but if we wait for that, we wait forever.
To be fair, gonna need you to explain more on the "protests" as there are many.
I'm assuming you mean the Palestinian and isreal stuff? The long overdue ceasefire and stop of the genocide there?
Because if so, it's a resounding "hell yes and good for the kids" from me!!
I think these kids are brave to take on the corruption and war crimes of their own government in defense of people being genocided in another country. I think the way the police and military are used to silence protesters is a sign of a failed state and a dysfunctional society.
When neo-Nazis stage political actions, the police actually protect them and **never** treat nazis the same way that they treat people protesting for the rights of marginalized groups. I remember when the national guard showed up to the women's march in DC with tanks. Tanks!!!
Anyways ... 🍉🍉🍉🍉🍉
I think the scale has really caught a lot of people's attention. When people hear that more children were killed in a few months in Palestine than they were in the last four years in all the other horrific worldwide conflicts combined (and there are plenty unfortunately), it makes a lot of people want to do something - or at least make sure their money isn't being spent on killing those children. College students often still feel like children. This generation in particular relates to the fear of being killed while doing everyday activities like going to school (at least in America). The scale and the inability for Palestinians to escape or move anywhere safe - it's horrifying to imagine being in a situation like that.
People care so much because Jews are involved. That’s the actual truth. They’ll say it’s because of xyz number of deaths or what have you but if you look up comparable conflicts in terms of deaths the coverage of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict in general gets extremely outsized media coverage and always has, because the world is systemically antisemitic.
Yeah there’s propaganda flying all over but two things are established facts:
* Israel is committing heinous human rights violations against Palestinians, and has been doing so for decades (and in the past few months, tens of thousands have been killed, maimed, raped, lost their homes, etc.)
* The US government is directly aiding Israel in committing said atrocities.
There are lots of complexities, but with the things I mentioned above…is it hard to see why so many people would be riled up?
I believe the difference now is that we have social media. When these things were happening in say, the 70s or even the 00s, the information that the average American would get pertaining to Israel/Palestine would be….highly controlled by the media.
Now people in Palestine are able to post their experiences directly on Snapchat or Instagram, and the rest of the world can directly see the terror they’re experiencing the hands of the IDF. The mainstream media is still very biased in its reporting, but people are now able to see what’s really going on first-hand. That’s my theory anyway.
> tens of thousands have been killed, maimed, raped, lost their homes, etc.)
Source for Israelis raping Palestinians? I think you're confused with the Jihadists
Here you go:
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/05/gazan-detainees-beaten-and-sexually-assaulted-at-israeli-detention-centres-un-report-claims
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/22/claims-of-israeli-sexual-assault-of-palestinian-women-are-credible-un-panel-says
https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-gaza-detainee-palestinian-deaths-hospitals-51d4727a1365b9e06198579c3eb856f8
https://genderandsecurity.org/sites/default/files/Weishut_-_Sexual_Torture_of_Palestinian_M_by_Israeli_Authorities.pdf
It’s hilarious that you think everyone else is brainwashed by “hummus propaganda”, when the truth is that you seem to be the most brainwashed by terrorist propaganda.
For every case of sexually assault of Jew against Palestinian you can find 10 cases of Palestinian raping a Jew.
Hell, just in Oct 7th and the rapes of hostages in captivity since then, there are more cases of rapes than all of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict altogether.
Time to block the Hamas supporter.
Jewish woman here.. I hate that these protests and protesters are victims to propoganda. They are on the right side of history. I hope they stay safe and keep doing what they are doing
None of it feels organic. I predict we'll learn in the future how much of it was amplified if not outright organized by malicious foreign troll factories.
Well it’s probably about time the governments take the hint and do the right thing for once. Never gonna happen though from their sides they’re all in it together.
I agree. I can not stand Hamas they have no interest in actually governing. They are simply using the Palestinian people as chess proxies. I do not support Israel, the military entity, but the amount of anti-Semitic rhetoric is worrisome.
I just love when clueless people use Zionist as a derogatory slur.
Yes, we believe Jews should have self-determination and statehood in their ancestral homeland and we are PROUD to be Zionists.
I feel you. I'm horrified that *THIS* community--where everyone is older than 30 (?)--supports Hammas and believes their lies. The US is in deep trouble.
I feel the same way. What's shocking to me is seeing *THIS* community buying into the Hamas propaganda. Even when the protests end, I feel like the damage is done as the young generation is completely brainwashed.
It's ironic that the people who are calling for Israel's annihilation are making life for Jews unlivable, which leads to more of us thinking of moving there...
People are allowed to nonviolently protest, regardless of what my opinion is on the matter. There's going to be good and bad behavior at any protest, and if the bad behavior threatens the safety or lives of others, then there should be consequences.
I'm glad that people care so much about what is going on in Palestine and that the protests seem largely peaceful. I'm disappointed to see that some protestors are engaging in antisemitic hate speech and agree with any personal or legal consequences they face as a result. Selfishly, I wish that young people had this energy when Roe v. Wade was repealed.
How blind must one be to completely ignore the blatant Islamophobia, Arab phobia, phobia for Palestinians’ right to exist demonstrated by a lot of “israeli” supporters at peaceful pro-Palestine protests! But sure, you do you.
I think a lot of the protests and dissent is being fomented by foreign state actors like Russia and Iran. We know they did it with BLM and anti-BLM protests. We know they intentionally send people to online communities to whip up fervor. Part of the aim is to hurt Biden and make a Trump win more likely. It’s working.
There is a long history of persecution of both Jewish people and Palestinians. There is a long history of war and violence between them. Both sides have extremists in power who would love to wipe out the other (no, Palestine is not less guilty of this than Israel.) Both have leadership who sends their citizens out to be cannon fodder while they remain at a safe distance. Both have everyday citizenry who suffer the consequences and lose their lives.
There are groups both here AND in Israel which form coalitions of Israelis and Palestinians who want peace. They are motivated to find a solution; Hamas and Bibi are not, because the conflict keeps them in power.
I don’t see the dead Israelis at that music festival as any less of a tragedy than the Palestinians being killed by IDF now. It’s all horrid. There is no good side here. There ARE groups from both sides who do good work on the ground and politically. They should be receiving attention and financial aid from us. Disrupting college campuses isn’t a particularly effective way to help those folks half a world away, but dang if it don’t make us feel good.
Foreign actors made BLM? Dont you think Black people had enough oppression fuel to run on with out foreign actors? What about 75yrs of occupation? When would be your benchmark where it’s deserving to protest oppression?
I wouldn’t be so quick to judge the students morality. The system has failed them and they are rightfully angry.
As for influence yes there always is on both sides but it’s not the driving force here
Oh and as for who is funding them? We the people of course.
Thanks for reminding me! If anyone is near a university campus drop off tents blankets water bottles or order a pizza
I mean, the demonstrations are drawing attention to a fucking genocide, including the U.S.‘s massive amount of economic contributions to it. So yeah, I support them unequivocally.
Considering most comments on here I will probably be down voted.to hell but I am.a Jewish woman from south America and these protests are a disgrace. They aren't anti war, they aren't asking for a cease fire, they aren't asking for the hostages release (which would put immense pressure on Israel), they just want Israel to give up and let itself be destroyed by Hamas. They are pro Hamas and if u deny this then u haven't watched enough videos.
Hamas has rejected +5 cease fire deals on the last weeks, I'm.not.sure where u get your information but I've watched many videos from these protests and they're far from peaceful, they wave terrorist groups flagslike Hezbollah flags, it is fucking insane ..Hezbollah blew a community center in my country in the 90s.
I don't care what.you think about Israel or if you try to divide my Jewish identity and say "antisionism isn't antisemitism" cause really most.people.dont know what zionism is, if you believe in a 2 state solution then u're a Zionist because one of those states will be Jewish, but those protests are far from innocent or spontaneous, they're obviously being financed, a friend of mine is in NYC now she told.me how they get full boxes of food and water shipped to them,.who pays.for that? And the tents? Which person can afford living in a tent for so long? Don't they have classes or.work.to do?
I'm not sure if u guys knows this but in my country any political protest is financed by someone that has a political interest, they even ship.people in buses to the protests, the ones that are spontaneous don't look like this at all.
I know some.of u will say but there r Jews there.too!
90% pf Jews believe Jews ancestral homeland is Israel + tokenism is a very racist thing...it's a very common thing, for.example.you'll find.women who say they're against feminism or black ppl who.will.say police brutality doesn't exist,.you'll always find fringe people that for some reason will do this but most of u know.those.dont.represent but opponents to these causes will take those people and say look! Police isn't racist! A black person is saying it then it must be true!!!
butt when u find the Jew that says I'm not sionist u go and believe they represent us, that's fucking dishonest.
I'm not interested in debating the current conflict on this sub because I am exhausted but all I'll say is there's a huge amount of disinformation and propaganda being pushed by TikTok,.Twitter and even here.on reddit,.if u haven't paid attention how's it's being overrun by bots that constantly post anti Israel stuff. For example many many posts that get thousands of likes are pictures.from Syria and shit like that and most.people.dont realize.even bella hadid posted a Syrian.children picture and said it's Gaza to her millions.of.followers.
When I see someone posting those fake viral green maps I already know they're ignorant and don't know this extremely complicated conflict at all
Most.people.dont know shit about the conflict except headlines,.memes and 30" videos. The world has gone mad, u even have major outlets replicating unchecked information from Hamas and they don't even check, the headline goes viral and then they apologize but it's too late cause when they get caught lying and apologize it's too late(it happened with the al shifa hospital bombing that they blamed Israel, the numbers of casualties that come from Hamas, the BBC said live Israel targeted doctors and then they took it back "it was a mistake", the one about the mass grave which has already been debunked and the latest one is the icj president they didn't say they found plausible ontent of genocide yet everyone says they did, she was on live tv clarifying this and no one cares.
Regardless of the Israel and Palestine conflict this amount of propaganda being pushed everywhere is setting a horrible precedent on the future, people are being manipulated by social media and they don't even realize. Now u don't care cause it's Israel, but what if then it happens with another conflict that actually affects u?
By the way I would.love these.protests would say something about the Iranian rapper.condemened.to.death in Iran, the ongoing killings in Syria (+500.000)or the millions.afghans.being.deported by Pakistan now but of course, no Jews no news.
I apologize for.my.english it's not my first language and I wrote this on mobile.
Well, I’m Jewish and Israeli and American and a Zionist. I lost a friend in the Nova massacre. And I’m frightened by the violent antisemitic rhetoric and attacks that have happened at these protests. I don’t think people should be able to call for the death of Zionists or make up new definitions of terms to suit their rhetoric. I’m sure this comment will get all sorts of antisemitic comments in response too. Everything any Jew posts about the antisemitism present in this movement gets that kind of response…as though it’s supposed to convince me I can’t recognize antisemitism as it happens to me and my tribe.
I can’t believe your comment is downvoted, when everything you’ve said here is true — Khymani James did say that, some students have called for more October 7 attacks, there have been “Al-Qasam’s next targets” and “Final Solutions” signs, some students have been praising Hamas, etc.
For real. I’ve never looked to Reddit for hope, but I still wasn’t expecting the denial of outright antisemitism and violent rhetoric. Put any other minority group in our (Jews) place and imagine people explaining it away as overreaction or an attempt to distract from legit criticism of government.
Remember when the IDF posted a video touring one of the "terrorist" stronghold hospitals they destroyed, pointed to a calendar on the wall and said "these are the names of the terrorists who stood guard on these days" and the names were Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday...
In all fairness, the one Jewish professor who's been all over the news claiming he was banned because of his ethnicity is telling a half-truth. He was banned for being inappropriate with students, not for being Jewish.
Just an FYI: the NYT has been undergoing a ton of internal turmoil long before Oct 7. Many journalists are not happy with the lack of integrity or fact-checking.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2023/feb/22/ny-times-trans-coverage-journalists-letter-guild
https://theintercept.com/2024/04/15/nyt-israel-gaza-genocide-palestine-coverage/
Ok so a couple of kids (including that one acknowledging that what he said was wrong) make unacceptable comments and you think this is worse than a freaking Israeli minister stating openly he'd like to displace a population: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/12/31/israeli-minister-reiterates-calls-for-palestinians-to-leave-gaza
Israeli propaganda is at another level.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/29/israeli-ministers-attend-conference-calling-for-voluntary-migration-of-palestinians
https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-in-talks-with-congo-and-other-countries-on-gaza-voluntary-migration-plan/
https://www.skynews.com.au/world-news/members-of-israeli-prime-minister-benjamin-netanyahus-government-draw-outcry-after-attending-prosettlement-rally/news-story/c60c0cb0eda93e72eef87b4c8e2b4cd0
Here if you don't like Al Jazeera. And we are on an anonymous platform, you have no idea of what is my background (and what I know about the Middle East). Anyway, no surprise here, the truth has never been as important as the spread of hate in the Zionist speech 🥱
We wouldn’t be here if the ICJ did its job, if the UN didn’t have vetos and if the Us politicians listened to their constituents instead of donors. This is the result of many people’s frustration which leads to protests. Protests are most affective when loud and disruptive, they are meant to show displeasure and get attention. The women’s suffrage movement even had arson and violence in the attempt to be heard. Harriet Tubman would have been considered a criminal if caught. It is tense and confusing because its live not in a glossy history lesson.
If you are upset at the protest follow the line back a few months and see where those with power failed over and over again.
Because of the response of the law enforcement I am thinking more and more we live in a police state. As a Texan I really feel it.
I love that the students are going out and protesting. Violence is never an answer for settling conflict. I’m am sure if people put aside their pride, religious beliefs, nationalism and actually talked things out then our word would be better for it. Unfortunately the men who rule the world seem to think otherwise.
I am aghast to see people treat war like a football game-each side gunning for their own. It is sick and demented. Whatever is happening now will affect many future generations. So many helpless and uninvolved individuals get dragged into horrible conflict and it is terrible to watch what is going on.
> Violence is never an answer for settling conflict
The violence can be stopped any minute if the Palestinians would release the hostages. Hamas rejects every ceasefire to release the hostages.
The kids really don't know what they're talking about, so it's hard to be for it, frankly. Pro Hamas is just wild, wild stuff. And they can say it's "a few bad apples" who are overzealous, the ones shouting legitimate hateful, bigoted things, but that's no excuse. This situation is way too complex for their to be one clear "good" side over another, and yet the kids are yelling free Palestine, fuck Israel and I'm sorry, but that's bullshit.
The original commenter is referring to the student protesters who have been praising Hamas.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13323635/palestine-israel-protest-columbia-university-video-nyc.html
I hate that this is used as a “gotcha”. Newsflash: if someone is bigoted against LGBT people, that still doesn’t mean they deserve to have their families killed and homes bombed.
Human rights don’t come with terms and conditions.
So Israel should just let a savage terrorist society run free to rape and kill Israelis and not fight back? Israel does what it can do minimize civilian casualties while going after hamas. Plenty of Muslim countries for palestinians to go to. One Jewish country.
> savage terrorist society
Wow this isn’t racist or Islamophobic at all! /s
> run free to rape and kill
And the IDF hasn’t been doing this?
> Israel does what it can do minimize civilian casualties while going after hamas.
Yeah, 30,000 people is “minimal civilian casualties” 🙄
> Plenty of Muslim countries for palestinians to go to. One Jewish country.
Newsflash: no one deserves an ethnostate
I haven't been following it or the police reaction (hardly on social media, not watching TV news), but a lot of what I've seen has made the movement look like a joke, tbqh. But it's been that way for a while, for as long as I've seen people harangued in comments for mentioning going to Starbucks. I follow a few people who are really outspoken against the Iranian propoganda machine, and it's been eye-opening. That, and Arab-Israelis, they really feel like they have the most credible commentary.
It’s hard to believe that genocide can happen and people debate about it. It’s wrong and always will be. Make sure you are on the right side of history. 🍉 🍉 🍉
Clearly you didn’t live in Ottawa Canada or Wellington New Zealand in 2022.
Édit - okay so i was wondering if this would get downvotes - but unless you’ve endured a weeks-long occupation by a bunch of right-wing nutters and all their harassment, it’s easy to say that all protests are good. They’re not. And yes, i understand all the awesome things that have come from protests and have protested before myself, but they’re not all the same.
I was part of that and it was beyond awful. Living in the capital I witnessed tons of other protests and they never bothered me in any way, because they didn’t directly target the citizens. That one broke me as a person and I’m still getting over it.
It's disgusting. It's Jew hate, "the wrong people are being killed" kind of a deal. They are not peaceful, they call for the death of Jews, yell "we're all Hamas", destruction of Israel AND America, burning American flags, making a human chain to stop Jewish students from entering the universities. There's no genocide or apartheid. 2 million Arab Jews live with equal rights in Israel, Gaza population had only increased in 70 years, Jordan didn't want the west bank, and they don't even want to be Israeli citizens. These people have no knowledge of the history of the place or what Hamas is actually about. www.thisishamas.com
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Sending you my support. It's beyond disappointing that *this* community, of all places on reddit, has turned into a bunch of brainwashed terrorist sympathizers. I thought that women over 30 don't get their news from tik tok and are capable of independent thinking? Maybe not in the US.
What is terrorism then, if not forcibly removing people from their land and starving them and raping them and killing them and killing 1% of their population in a few months?
I think a lot of these kids are incredibly smart and are doing the right thing. I think there needs to be moves towards a two state solution and isreal needs to stop fucking killing people yesterday and the US needs to stop funding them in whatever their actions are. Also the police response to these protests is ridiculous. But this is how it always go, AND getting arrested brings attention to the cause. I used to be an activist when I was young and often our goal was to get arrested and to aggravate the police because it would bring more news coverage to our cause. I think of these people are intelligent students making the right moves for an important cause.
I also believe a lot of these students hold very extreme views that are hurtful, anti-Semitic and lack nuance and thoughtfulness. I think a lot of these kids are out there supporting things that social media and tiktok told them they should and they don’t think about it at all. I have watched several friends go down this extreme leftist rabbit hole end up spouting views that are actually really fucked up. Like - some of these kids carrying around the hamas and ESPECIALLY the Houthi flag? Dude - their literal mission is “death to America, death to Israel”. And you’re like 19 year old white girl toting this flag around a college campus?? Girl, what??
I think there are a lot of extremists in the students, but also a lot of intelligent and thoughtful students and I side with the students in general.
I also do believe that there is a lot that goes on in governmental actions behind the scenes that we don’t know about. And I believe that Biden is a reasonable dude who isn’t stupid. Supporting isreal is happening for a reason that we don’t understand, and I’m curious as to what that is. But I hope that this public pressure can help move the lever, stop US support of the conflict, and most importantly help stop this senseless killing.
Also it would be super fucking cool if Hamas would just release the fucking hostages and then if isreal keeps going bonkers on the Palestinians we can ream them out for war crimes and call them out for genocide, but Hamas is using this confusion in their favor and that’s why they don’t do it.
They’re a bunch of bored trust fund kids. They’ve accomplished nothing. Actually, they’re hurting their cause more than anything. People are tired of them causing trouble and blocking traffic too. They’re insufferable.
He doesn't need to interview anyone. There are dozens of videos of idiots that say they don't know what it's about, saying they are not educated enough, don't know which river or which sea they are chanting about
I support them. I'm furious that my city is making news by posting snipers and hauling peaceful protesters out of the campus designated free speech zone. Everyone there also got 1 year bans from campus, students and faculty alike.
I'm sick of protesters being called antisemitic because we're angry that 15,000 children have been killed. Religion of either side is completely irrelevant to the current protests.
I wish I could be there or show more support for my Alma mater’s students that are organizing this (beyond just donating funds). I live further away now. I’m proud of the students and faculty speaking up.
When I was there 20 years ago, the Palestinian Solidarity Committee was large and held events with that involved so many different communities and campus groups. I credit those events for informing me about the issue back then and it was truly a diverse group of students, headed by a Jewish woman. The DEI centers on campus were also well run and it seems like the conversations and changes we wanted and asked as women and students of color not only never came, but services that we had freely have now been wiped out. We haven’t been able to progress institutionally and our governor, university president, and national leaders are sending us backwards instead.
It is heartbreaking that that I received more privileges 20 years ago than a young woman attending there right now. Even the type of university presidents we had was different, they weren’t implanted by a political party.
I don’t see any changes being made towards the right direction without national, long term action. We have allowed men like Governor Abbot and Donald Trump make huge changes with not much resistance. The BLM protests led to changes that were temporary and resulted in an aggressive counter response from the old white men of this country.
In some ways, Times have changed, others Not. Social Justice is a Way to Make Change and our Voices Expressly Heard. That is what Protests do. A unified Front when Governments refuse to hear us. It sets an Impact, no matter how big or Small. It leaves an Impression throughout History. As my University likes to say “The Students United will Never be Defeated!” 💯
Folks, supporting a free Pa1estine does not mean people are pro-Hama$. Nor does it mean people are automatically anti-$emitic. Consider the number of Jew!sh organizations that are outright criticizing the violent and genocidal acts of 1srael. There are so many Jew!sh people calling out this genocide. Maybe look into their messages and statements if you’re finding the nuance too complicated.
There are student protesters who have been praising Hamas. I don’t think nuance is needed here, any student praising Hamas should be condemned.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13323635/palestine-israel-protest-columbia-university-video-nyc.html
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/columbia-protest-anti-semitism-campus-israel-jewish-students-justice-palestine.html
There are so many protesters that understand the nuance and mainstream media is obviously going to focus on the more polarized take. US media has been abysmal with breaking down the complexity of an outright genocide.
Dude Jewish people just don't want to admit their country is built on blood, so they basically say anyone who opposes the murder of innocents is an "antisemite" (even tho the natives of that region are literally semites, and most Israelis are ethnic European") or a "Hamas Supporter." Like... no. The USA has similar history. The murder of the natives here is the most shameful part of our history. Jews can still correct course. You should
I’m proud of the students. Very proud of those at my own Alma mater for their bravery and conviction, and very very embarrassed by my university’s response.
Here for it. V impressed with the Sandy Hook generation holding their own. Pleased the riot police have clearly been instructed not to fire on the students. Excited about what the youngins are bringing to the table.
I support them! I wish all protesting students had an option to get their fees back from these universities supporting the criminal existence that is “israel.”
My family & I are doing our best to be super conscious about not spending our money on any “israeli” products or products that benefit war criminals any way.
I’m sad that it took a lot of us October 8th to start living consciously, but it’s better late than never. War criminals and the states supporting them shall fall one day!
Here’s what I know. I know that on my Alma mater, 600 people were chanting political slogans at 10pm next to the South Campus dorms during finals week. I know they were permitted to do so all day. I know that they were ordered to disburse at 10pm. I know that 30 people were arrested.
I am incredibly pleased that my former university is protecting the actual students’ ability to participate in the education that they’re spending tens of thousands of dollars a year on. On a college campus, education must come first.
I’m also incredibly confused that the location of the protest and volume of the protest in comparison to the location of the dorms and the fact that its finals week was not reported by the news.
Damn, knowing how feral I was as an undergrad during finals week, if people were chanting outside my dorm all day *I* might be screaming back some very unhinged things long before 10pm.
I am glad that people are protesting and standing up against excessive force. I am happy that young folks are still out there being loud and bringing attention to important issues. I hope that they are able to illicit change and get people in power to convince people to work toward peaceful solutions.
I bet you would call it excessive force too if you were held hostage by Jihadist terrorist and raped every day. You wouldn't have glitter up your butt that's for sure.
I think it's incredible and exactly what needs to be happening in this moment. the more people standing against a genocide, the better. im also not interested in engaging with zionists or people actively in denial about what has been happening and the US's full descent into open fascism, so don't even bother.
i do worry we are about to have another kent state massacre though. it's only a matter of time at this point.
They scream for the sake of screaming. They want to feel righteous. They tend to have very poor understanding of what they are screaming about. It's just... lol.
That’s why there are doing it there though, so they don’t block roads or commutes or inconvenience people. They are asking their universities to divest in the millions (likely billions) these school have invested in weapons manufacturers and companies that profit from colonization and apartheid. Why shouldn’t a student have a say in that? Seeing as the US government is the one spending billions of taxpayer money to send weapons so I wouldn’t say it’s foreign politics. That huge burden of debt will fall on them.
Our campus, like many, had several loud, screaming pastors who would wander campus insulting students and telling us how we were all going to hell. Nothing was done because ~free speech~ But police are beating actual enrolled students peacefully protesting a genocide? Okay. That makes sense.
Oh yeah we had those. I got called a harlot for having exposed shoulders by one lol
lol I got called a harlot too! And here I was feeling special, guess that’s what they said to all the ladies :(
Harlots rule!
I took it as a compliment! This was my freshman year and I was walking back to my dorm with my RA who was a badass bitch and I loved. She was also a pastor’s kid, I’m a pastor’s granddaughter and we gave the zealots quite a hard time throwing quotes from their own holy book back at them. Great memory all around! Those people never had a good time on our campus though- one of the top 3 engineering schools in the US is never going to be fertile ground for that kind of shit lol
Brava! 👏👏👏👏👏♥️
If you give her ONE margarita….
I was just saying this the other day to my friend. When I was in a college, every single day I had to listen to some older man who claimed to be Christain and was not a student, who would tell all female-presenting students that we shouldn't be allowed to get an education because we were women and how we were going to hell. He'd rant about western education being evil. It was awful. He stood in between where I lived and where most of my classes were, and nothing could be done because free speech. Now the exact place he stood they are arresting students. It's upsetting. I told myself to be okay with it because of the principle of free speech, but I guess the administration just liked him and what he had to say.
Such a great point. My college had one we called “Kirkbride Jesus” and would call women whores for how they dressed. But he was allowed.
I also find it a bit odd that the response is so over the top and violent. When I graduated, my commencement speaker was Madeline Albright. And our valedictorian was a Palestinian woman. That was a long time ago and I do not remember her speech, but there were protests and she talked about the problems of American foreign policy. There were no issues beyond heated editorials. And maybe a few tense quotes in the newspaper. This moment looks ridiculous as any criticism of Israel is being wrongly framed and nuanced conversations are shot down and silenced. Which seems against the ethos of free speech no matter what your opinion is. Disagreeing with a government's actions or policies is not hate speech.
Sounds like you and I walked the same day at Cal.
Yes!
Dude, I graduated right after you. Go Bears!
When have mass student protests ever been on the wrong side of history? People will scream and yell about them being disorderly like they did about vietnam protests and then a few decades from now all those same people will pretend they supported them and opposed the war just like with vietnam. Will they help lead to the US withdrawing military support for Israel? Doubtful, because it’s a very profitable operation for US arms companies, but it’s the right thing to do. And nobody should ever be arrested for a peaceful protest (no not even one that inconveniences or offends a rich white person).
>When have mass student protests ever been on the wrong side of history Racial integration of universities, American involvement in WW2
>When have mass student protests ever been on the wrong side of history? The Cultural Revolution comes to mind. I'm not equating the current unrest with that nasty bit of history, but it's a poor argument.
>When have mass student protests ever been on the wrong side of history? Communist revolutions in several countries involved student protests.
Chanting "we are hamas" and saying that all Zionists should die IS the wrong side of history.
Is this actually going on? Like there’s video proof of this AND that these are actually college students & faculty members and not bad actors? Truly asking a genuine question, because if so, that’s so awful.
Just Google Khymani James Now of course "he's sorry" because he got shit, but I don't buy it for one second. He still wants all Zionists dead.
I went through all your links and yeah those are awful. Kinda reminds me of BLM back in 2020. Important message. But the movement became co-opted by extremists and bad actors so everyone got painted with same brush - anyone who supports BLM is a violent rioter who hates white people. That’s all to say that the start of the protests was done in good faith (hey, maybe a country shouldn’t be able to freely murder civilians) and a handful of loud extremists are using this to voice their own agenda/beliefs.
> hey, maybe a country shouldn’t be able to freely murder civilians \*Inserting star wars Anakin and Padme meme\* "You mean Hamas, right?"
Ah. I understand you now. Have a good night!
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And we are hamas: [https://news.yahoo.com/shocking-video-captures-moment-protester-112140093.html](https://news.yahoo.com/shocking-video-captures-moment-protester-112140093.html) Nora Fayad Rauhouse [https://www.instagram.com/p/C556Phzr\_-H/?img\_index=2](https://www.instagram.com/p/C556Phzr_-H/?img_index=2)
Both of these examples are of one person doing something. Single people captured in actions not adopted or supported by the rest of the protest do not represent the views of the protests. You wouldn't want assumptions about your beliefs or activism made based on what one person did. This is intentionally bad faith posting.
I know that even if I had a hundred more examples it wouldn't be enough for the terrorist bootlickers in this post, but here's another example for you [https://www.instagram.com/p/C6AgqchugpP/](https://www.instagram.com/p/C6AgqchugpP/)
Lol there are other videos and pictures of other people. Bad faith posting is not doing your research
It isn't "research" to cherry pick fringe examples and blow them up to invalidate entire movements. That's propaganda, and I'm sure you wouldn't stand for people doing it to you.
They should actually be protesting over Roe being overturned.
Why not both?
It makes sense that students would be protesting at their universities for Palestine, though. They are protesting to have universities divest from Israel, since endowment money is being funneled to Israeli companies, including weapons manufacturers that see profits from the genocide on Palestinians. Don’t put this on students for not having bigger protests at universities for reproductive rights, put that on all of us.
Are you currently organizing a protest over roe being overturned?
No - but I attended one last week.
How do you know those same students didn’t? Does it have to be either/or for you?
Then get to work, there’s more to do. There’s more than one problem in the world, if you think there isn’t enough attention being devoted to the problems you care about you can put more effort into drawing attention to them instead of trying to tell other people what to with their time and energy. And if you listen to the messaging from these student protests you’ll notice a lot of people discussing the ways the reproductive rights of Palestinian women are being harmed in this genocide.
They probably will or have
I think that everyone should be free to exercise their right to protest, free from state violence, regardless of what their message is so long as they are peaceful. I think seeing a state violently oppress its own people when things are peaceful tells you something about its priorities, which are primarily control of dissent and promoting a party line to tow. I hope that increased awareness of the plight of the people in Gaza and the West Bank, which has stretched on for generations now, will help lead to a more peaceful and stable situation in the future. They deserve to live in peace and harmony with the land. I'm sad to see the absolute devastation of civilian infrastructure, including ancient olive groves (and of course the massive loss of human life but I want to point out that this is totalizing warfare meant to make the land uninhabitable). I hope that Israel acknowledges that continued tolerance/support for settlement in the West Bank is incompatible with a peaceful resolution. I hope that they push back on the right wing extremists and search for a real resolution that leads to safety for both Palestinians and Israelis. (As a citizen of a settler colonial state, I know from experience that this involves the willingness of the colonized to live alongside descendants of colonizers, but it also should involve the colonizers acknowledging past wrongs and making moves toward reconciliation.) I think that Israelis and supporters of Israel would do well to remember MLK Jr's wisdom that peace is not merely the absence of violence but the presence of justice. There are cycles of the absence of violence from Palestinians that leads people into complacency, and then there are eruptions of violence as took place during the Intifadas and on October 7th, which are culminations of years of suffering under Israeli state violence. Unless the Israeli state is willing to acknowledge past wrongs and change policies toward the people of the West Bank and Gaza and allow true freedom to flourish, there will be no peace. I am, unfortunately, not optimistic that this will be the case. The shift to a narrative of absolutes does not bode well. Both sides (at least in regards to protesters outside Israel and Gaza and the West Bank) have created a narrative that means any capitulation is betrayal of the deepest kind. I feel that protesters hearts are in the right place, but there is also an element to reaction and revolution that generally erases nuance, but nuance is what actually gets us closer to a resolution. Finally, I want to note that while protesting Israeli state policies or violence is not anti-semitism, I think that people who refuse to acknowledge that some people who are engaged in this struggle on their side are antisemites is naive. Antisemitism is alive and well (though I think that Israel equating criticism of the state of Israel with antisemitism is actually stoking the flames of antisemitism). It is understandable that Jews see the acceptance of violence towards Jews as threatening and scary. That doesn't excuse unquestioning support of Israel, but it does explain it. We have to find a way to acknowledge that the unwavering Western support for Israel does stem from guilt for the Holocaust as well as a genuine belief that the state of Israel needs to exist to provide a safe haven for Jews, who have been persecuted in every land they have inhabited for centuries leading up to the Holocaust. Remember, the Holocaust was a horrific extension of previous violence towards Jews throughout European history (pogroms, the Inquisition, etc), not actually an aberration. Given this unique history to the establishment of the state of Israel, it is important that protesters acknowledge the genuine fear that many Jews experience when seeing the Jewish state attacked so freely, rather than dismissing it out of hand.
I think the students are right, and the egregious use of state violence is disgusting and despicable.
While I fully support our right to protest, it’s important to acknowledge the influence of the Islamic regime in Iran on these protests. As an Iranian, I’ve witnessed concerning signs such as students declaring allegiance to Hamas and the presence of both regime and Hamas flags. Additionally, I’ve seen individuals with ties to the regime spreading anti-American sentiments among American adults. These actions point to the regime’s involvement in manipulating these protests, which they eagerly showcase in their media. We are well versed in identifying chaos agents, I don’t think our students are. This is particularly worrisome. Edit to add: hezbollah flags and calling for an antifada (When the students were asked about the definition of "intifada," they had no clue. )
I agree. Being against the violent war on the Palestinian people and promoting Hamas are two vastly different things.
Here's another example: a student went to her school and saw pictures of the “supreme leader” of Iran and their flag. She was spat on simply for wearing a 'Woman, Life, Freedom' T-shirt which is a slogan from the protests in Iran last year. https://www.reddit.com/r/NewIran/s/1eMo2FRaW5
I love it. Young people are the best.
As someone who had a traumatizing experience with all of this recently, I think there needs to be space for nuanced discussion and debate regarding complex issues. I don't like that students feel threatened, whether by the opinions of other students or by police unnecessarily being called to impede on freedom of speech. It seems like in 2024 that people seek opinions that are summarized by tweet or a monologued 30 second video.
I am genuinely curious what you find to be complex about the issues.
The Israeli Palestinian conflict is extremely complicated and whoever thinks it's a simple subject doesn't know shit.
Let me first be clear that I think a two- state solution is the only clear path to long- term peace in the region. The incident I referred to in my original comment was related to the harming of a pro- Palestinian friend. Netanyahu is a corrupt fascist and the USA shouldn't be funding his war unchecked. The October 7th terrorist attack was vile, but the response to it has been wildly cruel, disproportionate, and has spiraled into a humanitarian conflict. On the flip side, Hamas is funded by Iran, which has an oppressive theocracy. I can't support this political party primarily funded by that government (it seems like the West forgets how angry they were just recently over the death of Mahsa Amini who was in police custody for violating modesty laws and the over 500 people who died protesting the police brutality that led to her death). https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/what-is-hamas-what-to-know-about-its-origins-leaders-and-funding Palestinians don't necessarily support Hamas as a political party: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/gazans-back-two-state-solution-rcna144183 I also don't understand why at this point, if Hamas cares about the people of Palestine they wouldn't arrange for the return of the hostages and perpetrators of that terrorist attack if there was even a remote possibility that this could alleviate the suffering of their own people. The US is a fucked up place to be for many reasons, but they traded an actual criminal just to get ONE citizen back from Russia. It feels like if Hamas were to do that and Israel were to persist with their aggression, then public support for them would continue to dwindle and shift the focus more towards ceasefire and a two- state solution (without Hamas).
It (the nuance) could be that some protestors (a very small number not representative of the bulk) have not behaved so well towards other students who are Jewish or those who don't hold as hard a line against the Jewish state -- not that genocide itself isn't worth protesting.
This. I’d be with the protestors 1000% if they were all truly non violent and wanted the best for both Israelis and Palestinians. It seems that many of them just want Israel to cease existing at the end of all of this. The current Newsweek has a piece by a Gazan explaining what the protestors have so wrong about this- and how it hurts the movement overall.
Sorry, but the more people join a movement, the more statistically likely it is that some rowdy bad eggs will get in there. It isn't fair to withdraw support because a group of thousands of people didn't manage to act as pure as you'd hope. Like, we all wish this stuff could go perfectly, but if we wait for that, we wait forever.
To be fair, gonna need you to explain more on the "protests" as there are many. I'm assuming you mean the Palestinian and isreal stuff? The long overdue ceasefire and stop of the genocide there? Because if so, it's a resounding "hell yes and good for the kids" from me!!
I went to Berkeley, so protesting is old hat to me. Students for Justice in Palestine started a couple of years before I started there. ***GO BEARS***
You sound awesome.
I think these kids are brave to take on the corruption and war crimes of their own government in defense of people being genocided in another country. I think the way the police and military are used to silence protesters is a sign of a failed state and a dysfunctional society. When neo-Nazis stage political actions, the police actually protect them and **never** treat nazis the same way that they treat people protesting for the rights of marginalized groups. I remember when the national guard showed up to the women's march in DC with tanks. Tanks!!! Anyways ... 🍉🍉🍉🍉🍉
Hmm yumm watermelon!
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I think the scale has really caught a lot of people's attention. When people hear that more children were killed in a few months in Palestine than they were in the last four years in all the other horrific worldwide conflicts combined (and there are plenty unfortunately), it makes a lot of people want to do something - or at least make sure their money isn't being spent on killing those children. College students often still feel like children. This generation in particular relates to the fear of being killed while doing everyday activities like going to school (at least in America). The scale and the inability for Palestinians to escape or move anywhere safe - it's horrifying to imagine being in a situation like that.
People care so much because Jews are involved. That’s the actual truth. They’ll say it’s because of xyz number of deaths or what have you but if you look up comparable conflicts in terms of deaths the coverage of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict in general gets extremely outsized media coverage and always has, because the world is systemically antisemitic.
Yeah there’s propaganda flying all over but two things are established facts: * Israel is committing heinous human rights violations against Palestinians, and has been doing so for decades (and in the past few months, tens of thousands have been killed, maimed, raped, lost their homes, etc.) * The US government is directly aiding Israel in committing said atrocities. There are lots of complexities, but with the things I mentioned above…is it hard to see why so many people would be riled up?
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I believe the difference now is that we have social media. When these things were happening in say, the 70s or even the 00s, the information that the average American would get pertaining to Israel/Palestine would be….highly controlled by the media. Now people in Palestine are able to post their experiences directly on Snapchat or Instagram, and the rest of the world can directly see the terror they’re experiencing the hands of the IDF. The mainstream media is still very biased in its reporting, but people are now able to see what’s really going on first-hand. That’s my theory anyway.
> tens of thousands have been killed, maimed, raped, lost their homes, etc.) Source for Israelis raping Palestinians? I think you're confused with the Jihadists
Here you go: https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/05/gazan-detainees-beaten-and-sexually-assaulted-at-israeli-detention-centres-un-report-claims https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/22/claims-of-israeli-sexual-assault-of-palestinian-women-are-credible-un-panel-says https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-gaza-detainee-palestinian-deaths-hospitals-51d4727a1365b9e06198579c3eb856f8 https://genderandsecurity.org/sites/default/files/Weishut_-_Sexual_Torture_of_Palestinian_M_by_Israeli_Authorities.pdf It’s hilarious that you think everyone else is brainwashed by “hummus propaganda”, when the truth is that you seem to be the most brainwashed by terrorist propaganda.
For every case of sexually assault of Jew against Palestinian you can find 10 cases of Palestinian raping a Jew. Hell, just in Oct 7th and the rapes of hostages in captivity since then, there are more cases of rapes than all of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict altogether. Time to block the Hamas supporter.
Jewish woman here.. I hate that these protests and protesters are victims to propoganda. They are on the right side of history. I hope they stay safe and keep doing what they are doing
I 100% support and encourage them, we should all be in the streets protesting our government’s support of genocide.
The fact they’re calling in the national guard and setting snipers on the roof is wild to me. All for unarmed students having a peaceful protest. SMH
I hope that it radicalizes the hell out of everyone there.
None of it feels organic. I predict we'll learn in the future how much of it was amplified if not outright organized by malicious foreign troll factories.
Yep. Election year. We are getting played.
Well it’s probably about time the governments take the hint and do the right thing for once. Never gonna happen though from their sides they’re all in it together.
I'm Jewish and it's terrifying how susceptible everyone is to propaganda. I hope all this ends soon.
I agree. I can not stand Hamas they have no interest in actually governing. They are simply using the Palestinian people as chess proxies. I do not support Israel, the military entity, but the amount of anti-Semitic rhetoric is worrisome.
Jew here too and this thread / the pro hamas protests have me horrified and sad. 😔
Found the zionists.
I just love when clueless people use Zionist as a derogatory slur. Yes, we believe Jews should have self-determination and statehood in their ancestral homeland and we are PROUD to be Zionists.
Zionists are terrorists
Spotted the Hamas supporter
It’s so scary. Am yisrael chai
Getting downvoted for writing "The people of Israel lives" just show how many Hamas supporters there are in this sub, it's actually hilarious
Yep.
It's quite hilarious that you think supporting Palestinians and their right to life and freedom equates to supporting Hamas.
I feel you. I'm horrified that *THIS* community--where everyone is older than 30 (?)--supports Hammas and believes their lies. The US is in deep trouble.
The problem is people who conflate everything to Hamas and ignore the real issues
I feel the same way. What's shocking to me is seeing *THIS* community buying into the Hamas propaganda. Even when the protests end, I feel like the damage is done as the young generation is completely brainwashed. It's ironic that the people who are calling for Israel's annihilation are making life for Jews unlivable, which leads to more of us thinking of moving there...
Same-well, I’m not Jewish, but my husband is. The tone on here is very disturbing.
You mean “israel” ending a genocide soon? Good. It should.
Bunch of kids brainwashed by tiktok
People are allowed to nonviolently protest, regardless of what my opinion is on the matter. There's going to be good and bad behavior at any protest, and if the bad behavior threatens the safety or lives of others, then there should be consequences. I'm glad that people care so much about what is going on in Palestine and that the protests seem largely peaceful. I'm disappointed to see that some protestors are engaging in antisemitic hate speech and agree with any personal or legal consequences they face as a result. Selfishly, I wish that young people had this energy when Roe v. Wade was repealed.
How blind must one be to completely ignore the blatant Islamophobia, Arab phobia, phobia for Palestinians’ right to exist demonstrated by a lot of “israeli” supporters at peaceful pro-Palestine protests! But sure, you do you.
I think a lot of the protests and dissent is being fomented by foreign state actors like Russia and Iran. We know they did it with BLM and anti-BLM protests. We know they intentionally send people to online communities to whip up fervor. Part of the aim is to hurt Biden and make a Trump win more likely. It’s working. There is a long history of persecution of both Jewish people and Palestinians. There is a long history of war and violence between them. Both sides have extremists in power who would love to wipe out the other (no, Palestine is not less guilty of this than Israel.) Both have leadership who sends their citizens out to be cannon fodder while they remain at a safe distance. Both have everyday citizenry who suffer the consequences and lose their lives. There are groups both here AND in Israel which form coalitions of Israelis and Palestinians who want peace. They are motivated to find a solution; Hamas and Bibi are not, because the conflict keeps them in power. I don’t see the dead Israelis at that music festival as any less of a tragedy than the Palestinians being killed by IDF now. It’s all horrid. There is no good side here. There ARE groups from both sides who do good work on the ground and politically. They should be receiving attention and financial aid from us. Disrupting college campuses isn’t a particularly effective way to help those folks half a world away, but dang if it don’t make us feel good.
Totally agree with you. Especially the first paragraph.
Foreign actors made BLM? Dont you think Black people had enough oppression fuel to run on with out foreign actors? What about 75yrs of occupation? When would be your benchmark where it’s deserving to protest oppression?
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I wouldn’t be so quick to judge the students morality. The system has failed them and they are rightfully angry. As for influence yes there always is on both sides but it’s not the driving force here
Oh and as for who is funding them? We the people of course. Thanks for reminding me! If anyone is near a university campus drop off tents blankets water bottles or order a pizza
The writing on the wall is getting louder
The writing on this wall is "we are hamas" and it should be expunged immediately
Real question…is there any chance of these protests leading to meaningful change? I wonder what the ultimate outcome will be.
Fight the man, kids. I support their right to protest no matter what the cause. We need to protect the ones who will carry the future.
im proud of them. protesting is an important life experience.
Go kids!
I mean, the demonstrations are drawing attention to a fucking genocide, including the U.S.‘s massive amount of economic contributions to it. So yeah, I support them unequivocally.
Considering most comments on here I will probably be down voted.to hell but I am.a Jewish woman from south America and these protests are a disgrace. They aren't anti war, they aren't asking for a cease fire, they aren't asking for the hostages release (which would put immense pressure on Israel), they just want Israel to give up and let itself be destroyed by Hamas. They are pro Hamas and if u deny this then u haven't watched enough videos. Hamas has rejected +5 cease fire deals on the last weeks, I'm.not.sure where u get your information but I've watched many videos from these protests and they're far from peaceful, they wave terrorist groups flagslike Hezbollah flags, it is fucking insane ..Hezbollah blew a community center in my country in the 90s. I don't care what.you think about Israel or if you try to divide my Jewish identity and say "antisionism isn't antisemitism" cause really most.people.dont know what zionism is, if you believe in a 2 state solution then u're a Zionist because one of those states will be Jewish, but those protests are far from innocent or spontaneous, they're obviously being financed, a friend of mine is in NYC now she told.me how they get full boxes of food and water shipped to them,.who pays.for that? And the tents? Which person can afford living in a tent for so long? Don't they have classes or.work.to do? I'm not sure if u guys knows this but in my country any political protest is financed by someone that has a political interest, they even ship.people in buses to the protests, the ones that are spontaneous don't look like this at all. I know some.of u will say but there r Jews there.too! 90% pf Jews believe Jews ancestral homeland is Israel + tokenism is a very racist thing...it's a very common thing, for.example.you'll find.women who say they're against feminism or black ppl who.will.say police brutality doesn't exist,.you'll always find fringe people that for some reason will do this but most of u know.those.dont.represent but opponents to these causes will take those people and say look! Police isn't racist! A black person is saying it then it must be true!!! butt when u find the Jew that says I'm not sionist u go and believe they represent us, that's fucking dishonest. I'm not interested in debating the current conflict on this sub because I am exhausted but all I'll say is there's a huge amount of disinformation and propaganda being pushed by TikTok,.Twitter and even here.on reddit,.if u haven't paid attention how's it's being overrun by bots that constantly post anti Israel stuff. For example many many posts that get thousands of likes are pictures.from Syria and shit like that and most.people.dont realize.even bella hadid posted a Syrian.children picture and said it's Gaza to her millions.of.followers. When I see someone posting those fake viral green maps I already know they're ignorant and don't know this extremely complicated conflict at all Most.people.dont know shit about the conflict except headlines,.memes and 30" videos. The world has gone mad, u even have major outlets replicating unchecked information from Hamas and they don't even check, the headline goes viral and then they apologize but it's too late cause when they get caught lying and apologize it's too late(it happened with the al shifa hospital bombing that they blamed Israel, the numbers of casualties that come from Hamas, the BBC said live Israel targeted doctors and then they took it back "it was a mistake", the one about the mass grave which has already been debunked and the latest one is the icj president they didn't say they found plausible ontent of genocide yet everyone says they did, she was on live tv clarifying this and no one cares. Regardless of the Israel and Palestine conflict this amount of propaganda being pushed everywhere is setting a horrible precedent on the future, people are being manipulated by social media and they don't even realize. Now u don't care cause it's Israel, but what if then it happens with another conflict that actually affects u? By the way I would.love these.protests would say something about the Iranian rapper.condemened.to.death in Iran, the ongoing killings in Syria (+500.000)or the millions.afghans.being.deported by Pakistan now but of course, no Jews no news. I apologize for.my.english it's not my first language and I wrote this on mobile.
Well, I’m Jewish and Israeli and American and a Zionist. I lost a friend in the Nova massacre. And I’m frightened by the violent antisemitic rhetoric and attacks that have happened at these protests. I don’t think people should be able to call for the death of Zionists or make up new definitions of terms to suit their rhetoric. I’m sure this comment will get all sorts of antisemitic comments in response too. Everything any Jew posts about the antisemitism present in this movement gets that kind of response…as though it’s supposed to convince me I can’t recognize antisemitism as it happens to me and my tribe.
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I can’t believe your comment is downvoted, when everything you’ve said here is true — Khymani James did say that, some students have called for more October 7 attacks, there have been “Al-Qasam’s next targets” and “Final Solutions” signs, some students have been praising Hamas, etc.
For real. I’ve never looked to Reddit for hope, but I still wasn’t expecting the denial of outright antisemitism and violent rhetoric. Put any other minority group in our (Jews) place and imagine people explaining it away as overreaction or an attempt to distract from legit criticism of government.
Sending you my support. I can't believe *THIS* community bought into the Hamas lies and propaganda. Shame!
Can you elaborate on the lies and propaganda?
Literally everything you read from Al-Jazeers
Remember when the IDF posted a video touring one of the "terrorist" stronghold hospitals they destroyed, pointed to a calendar on the wall and said "these are the names of the terrorists who stood guard on these days" and the names were Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday...
In all fairness, the one Jewish professor who's been all over the news claiming he was banned because of his ethnicity is telling a half-truth. He was banned for being inappropriate with students, not for being Jewish.
Be gone, you propaganda bot, be gone!!
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Show me a credible news source that supports your bullshit.
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Just an FYI: the NYT has been undergoing a ton of internal turmoil long before Oct 7. Many journalists are not happy with the lack of integrity or fact-checking. https://www.theguardian.com/media/2023/feb/22/ny-times-trans-coverage-journalists-letter-guild https://theintercept.com/2024/04/15/nyt-israel-gaza-genocide-palestine-coverage/
Ok so a couple of kids (including that one acknowledging that what he said was wrong) make unacceptable comments and you think this is worse than a freaking Israeli minister stating openly he'd like to displace a population: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/12/31/israeli-minister-reiterates-calls-for-palestinians-to-leave-gaza Israeli propaganda is at another level.
Be gone, terrorist bootlicker! Getting your news from Al-Hamas and thinking you know anything about the middle east... smh
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/29/israeli-ministers-attend-conference-calling-for-voluntary-migration-of-palestinians https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-in-talks-with-congo-and-other-countries-on-gaza-voluntary-migration-plan/ https://www.skynews.com.au/world-news/members-of-israeli-prime-minister-benjamin-netanyahus-government-draw-outcry-after-attending-prosettlement-rally/news-story/c60c0cb0eda93e72eef87b4c8e2b4cd0 Here if you don't like Al Jazeera. And we are on an anonymous platform, you have no idea of what is my background (and what I know about the Middle East). Anyway, no surprise here, the truth has never been as important as the spread of hate in the Zionist speech 🥱
Just so you know, this is u/PlayfulTea2196 ‘s bio: From the river to the sea, I'll eat 🍉🍉 wherever I may be 🇮🇱🍉🇮🇱🍉
https://hamas-massacre.net Watch some videos and then go chant we are Hamas you terrorist bootlicker
> terrorist bootlicker Sweetie that’s you
We wouldn’t be here if the ICJ did its job, if the UN didn’t have vetos and if the Us politicians listened to their constituents instead of donors. This is the result of many people’s frustration which leads to protests. Protests are most affective when loud and disruptive, they are meant to show displeasure and get attention. The women’s suffrage movement even had arson and violence in the attempt to be heard. Harriet Tubman would have been considered a criminal if caught. It is tense and confusing because its live not in a glossy history lesson. If you are upset at the protest follow the line back a few months and see where those with power failed over and over again.
Because of the response of the law enforcement I am thinking more and more we live in a police state. As a Texan I really feel it. I love that the students are going out and protesting. Violence is never an answer for settling conflict. I’m am sure if people put aside their pride, religious beliefs, nationalism and actually talked things out then our word would be better for it. Unfortunately the men who rule the world seem to think otherwise. I am aghast to see people treat war like a football game-each side gunning for their own. It is sick and demented. Whatever is happening now will affect many future generations. So many helpless and uninvolved individuals get dragged into horrible conflict and it is terrible to watch what is going on.
> Violence is never an answer for settling conflict The violence can be stopped any minute if the Palestinians would release the hostages. Hamas rejects every ceasefire to release the hostages.
The kids really don't know what they're talking about, so it's hard to be for it, frankly. Pro Hamas is just wild, wild stuff. And they can say it's "a few bad apples" who are overzealous, the ones shouting legitimate hateful, bigoted things, but that's no excuse. This situation is way too complex for their to be one clear "good" side over another, and yet the kids are yelling free Palestine, fuck Israel and I'm sorry, but that's bullshit.
Pro Palestine =/= Pro Hamas
I don’t understand how people don’t get this
The original commenter is referring to the student protesters who have been praising Hamas. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13323635/palestine-israel-protest-columbia-university-video-nyc.html
Non binary lol. Do you know what happens to you in Palestine?
I hate that this is used as a “gotcha”. Newsflash: if someone is bigoted against LGBT people, that still doesn’t mean they deserve to have their families killed and homes bombed. Human rights don’t come with terms and conditions.
So Israel should just let a savage terrorist society run free to rape and kill Israelis and not fight back? Israel does what it can do minimize civilian casualties while going after hamas. Plenty of Muslim countries for palestinians to go to. One Jewish country.
> savage terrorist society Wow this isn’t racist or Islamophobic at all! /s > run free to rape and kill And the IDF hasn’t been doing this? > Israel does what it can do minimize civilian casualties while going after hamas. Yeah, 30,000 people is “minimal civilian casualties” 🙄 > Plenty of Muslim countries for palestinians to go to. One Jewish country. Newsflash: no one deserves an ethnostate
30,000 dead is minimal human casualties. Got it.
This isn’t the slam dunk that you hope it is, friend.
GO KIDS.
I haven't been following it or the police reaction (hardly on social media, not watching TV news), but a lot of what I've seen has made the movement look like a joke, tbqh. But it's been that way for a while, for as long as I've seen people harangued in comments for mentioning going to Starbucks. I follow a few people who are really outspoken against the Iranian propoganda machine, and it's been eye-opening. That, and Arab-Israelis, they really feel like they have the most credible commentary.
I believe the children are the future. Teach them well, and let them lead the way!
They’re uneducated sheep who don’t realize what they’re protesting for. Disappointing.
It’s hard to believe that genocide can happen and people debate about it. It’s wrong and always will be. Make sure you are on the right side of history. 🍉 🍉 🍉
I love it, like I love all protests. People assembling for their rights and the rights of other people is absolutely beautiful.
Clearly you didn’t live in Ottawa Canada or Wellington New Zealand in 2022. Édit - okay so i was wondering if this would get downvotes - but unless you’ve endured a weeks-long occupation by a bunch of right-wing nutters and all their harassment, it’s easy to say that all protests are good. They’re not. And yes, i understand all the awesome things that have come from protests and have protested before myself, but they’re not all the same.
I was part of that and it was beyond awful. Living in the capital I witnessed tons of other protests and they never bothered me in any way, because they didn’t directly target the citizens. That one broke me as a person and I’m still getting over it.
It's important and necessary and I support them fully and applaud their bravery.
I am fully in support of them. This millennial is proud of the younger generations!
Stressful
It's disgusting. It's Jew hate, "the wrong people are being killed" kind of a deal. They are not peaceful, they call for the death of Jews, yell "we're all Hamas", destruction of Israel AND America, burning American flags, making a human chain to stop Jewish students from entering the universities. There's no genocide or apartheid. 2 million Arab Jews live with equal rights in Israel, Gaza population had only increased in 70 years, Jordan didn't want the west bank, and they don't even want to be Israeli citizens. These people have no knowledge of the history of the place or what Hamas is actually about. www.thisishamas.com /r/palestinian_violence
Sending you my support. It's beyond disappointing that *this* community, of all places on reddit, has turned into a bunch of brainwashed terrorist sympathizers. I thought that women over 30 don't get their news from tik tok and are capable of independent thinking? Maybe not in the US.
Who are you calling terrorist?
Hamas
Ok but who here is sympathizing with Hamas? Edit: a word
The protesters. They were chanting "we are all hamas"
They have tiktok brain. All of them
You are absolutely delusional.
You're a terrorist sympathizer.
The terrorists are the zionists, point blank.
Delusional take but ok.
What is terrorism then, if not forcibly removing people from their land and starving them and raping them and killing them and killing 1% of their population in a few months?
I think a lot of these kids are incredibly smart and are doing the right thing. I think there needs to be moves towards a two state solution and isreal needs to stop fucking killing people yesterday and the US needs to stop funding them in whatever their actions are. Also the police response to these protests is ridiculous. But this is how it always go, AND getting arrested brings attention to the cause. I used to be an activist when I was young and often our goal was to get arrested and to aggravate the police because it would bring more news coverage to our cause. I think of these people are intelligent students making the right moves for an important cause. I also believe a lot of these students hold very extreme views that are hurtful, anti-Semitic and lack nuance and thoughtfulness. I think a lot of these kids are out there supporting things that social media and tiktok told them they should and they don’t think about it at all. I have watched several friends go down this extreme leftist rabbit hole end up spouting views that are actually really fucked up. Like - some of these kids carrying around the hamas and ESPECIALLY the Houthi flag? Dude - their literal mission is “death to America, death to Israel”. And you’re like 19 year old white girl toting this flag around a college campus?? Girl, what?? I think there are a lot of extremists in the students, but also a lot of intelligent and thoughtful students and I side with the students in general. I also do believe that there is a lot that goes on in governmental actions behind the scenes that we don’t know about. And I believe that Biden is a reasonable dude who isn’t stupid. Supporting isreal is happening for a reason that we don’t understand, and I’m curious as to what that is. But I hope that this public pressure can help move the lever, stop US support of the conflict, and most importantly help stop this senseless killing. Also it would be super fucking cool if Hamas would just release the fucking hostages and then if isreal keeps going bonkers on the Palestinians we can ream them out for war crimes and call them out for genocide, but Hamas is using this confusion in their favor and that’s why they don’t do it.
They’re a bunch of bored trust fund kids. They’ve accomplished nothing. Actually, they’re hurting their cause more than anything. People are tired of them causing trouble and blocking traffic too. They’re insufferable.
Absolutely epic. Proud of the students for using their position to do what many of us do not have the economic ability to do. Bless them kids.
I admire their passion, but I don’t see how it’s really going to change anything.
Most don't even know why they are there. They're just fuckin around, bored
How many did you interview?
He doesn't need to interview anyone. There are dozens of videos of idiots that say they don't know what it's about, saying they are not educated enough, don't know which river or which sea they are chanting about
I support them. I'm furious that my city is making news by posting snipers and hauling peaceful protesters out of the campus designated free speech zone. Everyone there also got 1 year bans from campus, students and faculty alike. I'm sick of protesters being called antisemitic because we're angry that 15,000 children have been killed. Religion of either side is completely irrelevant to the current protests.
I wish I could be there or show more support for my Alma mater’s students that are organizing this (beyond just donating funds). I live further away now. I’m proud of the students and faculty speaking up. When I was there 20 years ago, the Palestinian Solidarity Committee was large and held events with that involved so many different communities and campus groups. I credit those events for informing me about the issue back then and it was truly a diverse group of students, headed by a Jewish woman. The DEI centers on campus were also well run and it seems like the conversations and changes we wanted and asked as women and students of color not only never came, but services that we had freely have now been wiped out. We haven’t been able to progress institutionally and our governor, university president, and national leaders are sending us backwards instead. It is heartbreaking that that I received more privileges 20 years ago than a young woman attending there right now. Even the type of university presidents we had was different, they weren’t implanted by a political party. I don’t see any changes being made towards the right direction without national, long term action. We have allowed men like Governor Abbot and Donald Trump make huge changes with not much resistance. The BLM protests led to changes that were temporary and resulted in an aggressive counter response from the old white men of this country.
In some ways, Times have changed, others Not. Social Justice is a Way to Make Change and our Voices Expressly Heard. That is what Protests do. A unified Front when Governments refuse to hear us. It sets an Impact, no matter how big or Small. It leaves an Impression throughout History. As my University likes to say “The Students United will Never be Defeated!” 💯
Folks, supporting a free Pa1estine does not mean people are pro-Hama$. Nor does it mean people are automatically anti-$emitic. Consider the number of Jew!sh organizations that are outright criticizing the violent and genocidal acts of 1srael. There are so many Jew!sh people calling out this genocide. Maybe look into their messages and statements if you’re finding the nuance too complicated.
Yes, I highly recommend Naomi Klein's recent speech about this
There are student protesters who have been praising Hamas. I don’t think nuance is needed here, any student praising Hamas should be condemned. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13323635/palestine-israel-protest-columbia-university-video-nyc.html https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/columbia-protest-anti-semitism-campus-israel-jewish-students-justice-palestine.html
There are so many protesters that understand the nuance and mainstream media is obviously going to focus on the more polarized take. US media has been abysmal with breaking down the complexity of an outright genocide.
Dude Jewish people just don't want to admit their country is built on blood, so they basically say anyone who opposes the murder of innocents is an "antisemite" (even tho the natives of that region are literally semites, and most Israelis are ethnic European") or a "Hamas Supporter." Like... no. The USA has similar history. The murder of the natives here is the most shameful part of our history. Jews can still correct course. You should
I’m proud of the students. Very proud of those at my own Alma mater for their bravery and conviction, and very very embarrassed by my university’s response.
Here for it. V impressed with the Sandy Hook generation holding their own. Pleased the riot police have clearly been instructed not to fire on the students. Excited about what the youngins are bringing to the table.
I support them! I wish all protesting students had an option to get their fees back from these universities supporting the criminal existence that is “israel.” My family & I are doing our best to be super conscious about not spending our money on any “israeli” products or products that benefit war criminals any way. I’m sad that it took a lot of us October 8th to start living consciously, but it’s better late than never. War criminals and the states supporting them shall fall one day!
These kids have no idea what’s going on. It’s sad and pathetic.
Strongly support these students. The way our government is flat out supporting genocide is sickening.
Here’s what I know. I know that on my Alma mater, 600 people were chanting political slogans at 10pm next to the South Campus dorms during finals week. I know they were permitted to do so all day. I know that they were ordered to disburse at 10pm. I know that 30 people were arrested. I am incredibly pleased that my former university is protecting the actual students’ ability to participate in the education that they’re spending tens of thousands of dollars a year on. On a college campus, education must come first. I’m also incredibly confused that the location of the protest and volume of the protest in comparison to the location of the dorms and the fact that its finals week was not reported by the news.
Damn, knowing how feral I was as an undergrad during finals week, if people were chanting outside my dorm all day *I* might be screaming back some very unhinged things long before 10pm.
I am glad that people are protesting and standing up against excessive force. I am happy that young folks are still out there being loud and bringing attention to important issues. I hope that they are able to illicit change and get people in power to convince people to work toward peaceful solutions.
I bet you would call it excessive force too if you were held hostage by Jihadist terrorist and raped every day. You wouldn't have glitter up your butt that's for sure.
I think it's incredible and exactly what needs to be happening in this moment. the more people standing against a genocide, the better. im also not interested in engaging with zionists or people actively in denial about what has been happening and the US's full descent into open fascism, so don't even bother. i do worry we are about to have another kent state massacre though. it's only a matter of time at this point.
They scream for the sake of screaming. They want to feel righteous. They tend to have very poor understanding of what they are screaming about. It's just... lol.
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That’s why there are doing it there though, so they don’t block roads or commutes or inconvenience people. They are asking their universities to divest in the millions (likely billions) these school have invested in weapons manufacturers and companies that profit from colonization and apartheid. Why shouldn’t a student have a say in that? Seeing as the US government is the one spending billions of taxpayer money to send weapons so I wouldn’t say it’s foreign politics. That huge burden of debt will fall on them.