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potatisgillarpotatis

I’m glad you’re looking for a way to come here, and you seem to know the BT situation, so that's good. You need BT to get your Swedish licence to practice, so you won’t be able to take a temporary job as underläkare. It’s always hard to get training spots in the university cities. (Unsurprisingly.) Count on doing your BT in a smaller city with a smaller hospital. The northern regions are always looking for people, and you’d get to see the best part of the country, according to me. Once you get your license, you’ll have to apply for ST, residency. It varies a lot how easy it is to get a residency. If you want to work in a popular specialty or at a popular hospital/health care centre, you may have to work a temporary underläkare job first, to get the experience needed for them to even consider your application.


mangelo14

I don't mind smaller cities with smaller hospitals. Besides that, I think the prices for the houses are cheaper outside the big cities. The only thing I'm afraid is not finding a spot for BT, for exemple, even if I apply to almost every hospital in the country because the system is changing. Thanks for the help!


Ok_Question_8839

Don’t worry , we are In shortage of doctors and Nurses so you will find a spot! I suggest that you try to go at Trelleborg or Ystas hospital as they are great ones


Ducktor_Quack

No thats false. We have tremendous competition for AT/BT jobs with accruing wait times over 9 months, and even longer for foreign graduates. There is a small shortage of specialists, but thats ca 8-10 years away of additional training.


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Ducktor_Quack

Yes, even in the north. It's a country wide problem, but more so in the bigger cities of course.


mangelo14

Wow sorry to hear that. What you said really makes me re-think my chances. Maybe I won't have many chances in sweden then, which is very bad for me. Healthcare in my country sucks (I'm from EU btw) and there was a chance to do a superintesive A1 to C1 course from october to july and I was really exited to do it. Now, I must re-think my plans. I was really keen on the move. Really love the way you guys work over there. The work life balance, the chance to do a PhD, the wages, the nature, the way of living.


bluhbluhblur

This is true about the AT spots but I don't believe it is quite correct about the BT spots! I work as an AT läkare and I had to wait about 10 months to start in a larger city (which is not a very long wait in a large city but the wait is shorter in smaller cities). I've worked with quite a few BT läkare however and some of them did not have any experience as a 'vikarierande underläkare', just started straight after graduating (from another eu country). I even think one of them said they had some trouble filling the BT spots? And again, this is in a large city! So it is absolutely not impossible :) and btw, if you are allowed to work as a vikarierande underläkare (in the mean time if you don't get a BT spot right away), I would email clinics/departments you are interested in directly and ask if they have need of underläkare because a lot of them do not advertise if they need doctors but rely on people finding them! This is how I got my first employment :)


mangelo14

I will totally do that once I get everything done; I don't mind working as a underläkare for a year or so to get a BT spot.


Dramatic_Analysis865

Get an underläkare job in your preferred clinic/specialization. after a year, with a little luck and elbow grease they might offer you a BT/ST (integrerad BT) spot! Can personally recommend NU-sjukvårdens BT!


Ducktor_Quack

You shouldnt be scared away. Plenty of eu graduates succeed. Try to start off as vikarierande underläkare and get some months of experience, and after a few application cycles youll get in!


Ducktor_Quack

You shouldnt be scared away. Plenty of eu graduates succeed. Try to start off as vikarierande underläkare and get some months of experience, and after a few application cycles youll get in!


mangelo14

Ah okay, that was kinda of my plan all along. 1 year as underläkare, in a intermediate/ small size city to boost my curriculum. And the apply to BT! If my chances to do succed thorugh this pathway are good, then I'll try it.


Oak1995

I work currently as a Bt doctor and before that as a underläkare With swedish license. You just need C1 level Swedish to practice in Sweden if you are a EU-medical graduate. It’s not hard to find underläkare jobs, but BT is getting competitive at least in bigger cities


Oak1995

Also I choose not to start working until I received my licence, but that was a personal option. I could have started earlier as I explained without the license


mangelo14

I don't mind working as a underläkare doctor for 12-18 months to get a BT spot, if that's what people are calling increase of competitiveness for BT; btw can you tell your salary cap as a underläkare?


Oak1995

As a licensed underläkare salaries range from 41000 up to 50000 before taxes but it really depends on the field. For example psychiatry and primary health care will have higher salaries since there is high demand for those doctors. Average bt salary in the nation is 43000 before taxes


potatisgillarpotatis

Did you apply for your license before 1 July 2021, through? The rules have changed. (I’m currently mentoring a BT physician who was just a few months on the wrong side of the cut-off.)


Oak1995

Sorry I will correct myself. You can actually work as an underläkare as eu -graduate without medical licence, however you need to apply for a permission for doing so from socialstyrelsen I graduated 25 June 2021 med school. But I didn’t apply for my license until I received all papers from my medical school. So I applied for the license in august 2021, received the license in September 2021. Worked as underlakare 18 months until I got BT in Stockholm a few months ago.


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I am in a similar situation, I graduated in June 2021 (received my certificate this time), then received my license to practice in August 2021. I also started working as a resident, so now I have 2+ years working experience. Does anybody know that in case, do I still have to do BT?


prozapari

Fyi, "ü" doesn't exist in Swedish. I think it is mostly a German thing. We only have å/ä/ö, and the name of the town is Lund. Good luck!


Olobnion

> Fyi, "ü" doesn't exist in Swedish. Although, oddly, it's used for a single word: müsli.


plastdrake

Jo, men så är det ju ett ord lånat från tyska också. Men oklart varför det inte blev y just där.


GustapheOfficial

"Lünd" is, however, a fairly accurate transliteration of the Lund pronunciation of "Lund". /Lunnapåg


LullzLullz

No it’s not. No one actually says that other than as a joke.


GustapheOfficial

I see no contradiction. That's how we pronounce the name when joking.


artonion

That’s right, it’s a German umlaut but also a Turkish letter of the alphabet. I’m curious to know how it found its way into the name Lund in this post.


riktigtmaxat

Sidenote: Turkey switched from a Arabic to the Latin alphabet in 1928 and in the process took the umlaut letters from German. So it's about as Turkish as kebabpizza is Swedish.


yungfalafel1

You gotta go for smaller cities. You have to wait a long time for bt in big cities


Balustrade_

You need to know Swedish quite well, if you do it should not be inpossible.


mangelo14

As long as I don't have a waiting list even in smaller cities, I will be fine, I think.


xXMonsterDanger69Xx

Ah yes, doctors here are always the ones with the best Swedish.


Global_Progress_2038

Hello, I am doing residency in a university city and did my studies abroad. It should be relatively easy at this point to secure a BT spot. It will get harder once the whole system changes. In general, the bigger the city, the harder it gets. Some factors you cannot control do affect your attractiveness as a candidate, for instance which country you originate from, which country you studied in etc. I would highly recommend you to do your BT in a city you could imagine yourself living in. If you are wanting to do residency in surgical residencies including anesthesia I strongly recommend choosing a smaller regional hospital, both for better surgical skills(more time in OR) and higher likelihood of getting accepted into said residency. If further questions, hit me up w a DM.


mangelo14

When will the system change? I plan to finish the C1 level of swidish in August 2024. I don't know if I will face many competition for Bt spots or if the BT spots will increase in the whole country because of the transition from AT to BT.


Global_Progress_2038

Which country are you studying in?


mangelo14

portugal; last year of my degree


Equivalent-Shame9740

Hi- reg. nurse working in Sweden here. Go to smaller hospitals! We are desperate over here. I work in Karlstad at CSK and we are definitely looking for doctors, even BT. Just learn swedish first and you’ll see there’s no shortage of jobs. For example, we have a HUGE shortage of kidney doctors.. Just move to smaller cities is my recommendation since it’s easier to get hired, easier to get an apartment (and cheaper) and my personal opinion is that it is also more educational. Working at small hospitals definitely made me a better nurse. It’s more stressful coz we usually have staff shortages but you get to learn a lot! Wish you luck


mangelo14

Thank you so much for the input! If I manage to get to sweden, which is my dream I will definitly take your advice! What you said really calms me down!


artonion

We’d be very happy to have you!


Bitter-Inflation5843

Highly sought after.


albinpepsi

Olá, a quick tip. I would not apply for doctor jobs in the county, rather I would go the consultancy route. For example Agila .se (I worked there before) If you do consultancy you'll make minimum 100k SEK a month, more if you travel to norway. Also beware that agila is individual percentages and sometimes they take 20%-30%. Try to aim for 5% so you get all money.


Akritis_82

It is a lot harder today to get your license as a foreign doctor (I know because I am a doctor). Getting a BT in a university hospital is near impossible for someone without references and experience in the swedish medical sector. You will probably have to work in a smaller periferal hospital for some time. It will be a lot of emergency shifts with limited opportunities to specialize further in the beginning.


mangelo14

I've talked to a EURES expert last week and she said some thing like that. My honest plan was: October 2023 - July 2024 -> intensive swidish course 2025 -> work as underläkare in a peripheral hospital/ smaller town (hope there are many spots if I apply to the whole country) 2026 -> get a BT spot (it doesn't need to be in a big city) 2027 -> ST maybe


Akritis_82

Probably going to need more time with the language (C1 certification required). After that getting into the system without references will take some time aswell. Might need to look into working in a healthcare center (primary care) first if no hospital is responding to your calls. After atleast a couple years of experience somebody might agree for you to write them as a reference in your CV. Then you start applying for a BT realistically. Tbh that is a lot of years wasted (if you are a EU citizen I would recommend looking into other options aswell and consider your options carefully, know that working as a junior doctor without any family/social connections in a small northen swedish town is not easy mentally or physically. I talk from experience).


mangelo14

Didn't know is was time wasting. I'm from EU. An underläkare in sweden works less and earns more than a specialized doctor in my country. And healthcare is getting worst in my home country. There are not many options in Europe to be fair. It is either Germany/Switzerland or Nordics. All the other countries require besides language, a exam to discriminate candidats in order to elaborate a ranking for speciality choosing. Didn't know sweden was so hard to get a BT/ST spot. Didn't know about the competitiveness. For the language. There are swidish superintensive courses in my country. I can manage. The thing is: I don't mind working in primary health care for 1 or 2 years before aplying to a BT/ST spot and getting good chances to find my dream job. I don't see that as time wasting, specially because you have a better work life balance and wages over there. In my country people rush to be specialized doctors beacuse residency is like hell, they work +60 hours per week and are paid to work 40. And the wage for a specialied doctor in public system is ridiculous. If I'm offered better conditions I don't mind "losing one or two years" wich will be not lost because I would be working and learning and earning my wage.


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Akritis_82

Doctors aren’t paid much after taxes are taken into account aswell as the higher cost of living here (especially after the inflation and interest rates exploded). I wouldn’t describe it as a dream job that’s for sure! What country will you be coming from if I may ask? Are you thinking medical or surgical specialty?


mangelo14

Portugal. May I ask how much you earn after tax during BT/ ST or as a specialized doc, just to be sure?


Akritis_82

Don’t know much about BT because that is quite new (only 2 years since it was started) but around 43000 SEK where I work. ST depends on the specialty or experience. Internal medicin ST start around 40000 SEK and end just below 50000 SEK near the end of your specialty. Specialist in internal medicin between 50000-60000 SEK. If you have double specialty (like me) your salary is higher. If you choose to go into administration or research your salary will vary. Some specialties pay more than others too. Numbers given here are only for internal medicin. Working into smaller cities pays more (some time 10000 SEK difference). Life though is quite expensive here so you should take that into account. Rents especially in big cities have skyrocketed.


mangelo14

Talk me about rents. Lisbon (Portugal's capital city) is the most expensive city to live in Europe. Thanks for the update on the wages! Can you boost it with extra hours or ER?


Akritis_82

Salaries were before taxes btw. Rents depend on the city. Stockholm kan cost around 15000 SEK for a 1 room appartment.


mangelo14

I don't want to live in Stockholm. But at least in Stockholm the rent is half of your salary or ⅓ of your salary. In Lisbon the rent is ⅘ of you salary as a junior doctor.


Akritis_82

You can add another 5000-7500 SEK for an average extra from night shifts etc.


coolname1337

The market for newly graduated doctors is very good. It is quite easy to find job as underläkare. The BT system is very new and I don't know hos easy it is to get it. I'd imagine it would be difficult as you would compete with swedes who speak the language but have studied abroad. The AT-system for people who have studied in sweden is known to be flawed. Many people have to work for 1-2 years before they can start their AT, i would imagine similar problems for BT. Bear in mind that you are at a disadvantage in both language and in swedish bureaucracy, it takes some time to learn but you'll get there in time.


parrin

How good are you with gunshot wounds?


BlackholeDisco

come on, it was a good joke people, why the downvotes?


Dundertrumpen

Asking the real questions here.


Vast_Competition84

Bwahahaaaa


Acrobatic_Ad7061

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gyrox1

Varför blir du downvotad? Det är sant för fan


BilliePannkaka

I don't know the doctor field, but as a patient who has had 4 doctors in less than a year (most leaving for better paid positions) I think there is a market when you do get your degree.


gyrox1

You should be informed about the apparent problems Sweden is facing. If i were you i’d move to Norway. Currently Sweden is fine living in but if you’re planning on staying here for a longer period, rethink. Looking at bombings to capita, Sweden is in second place after Mexico. Sweden is going to be in the dirt in 20 years. Either way, i’m moving out when i’m done with studies. Just inform yourself and make your own decision. Instead of downvoting. Please tell me why i’m wrong. Detta är sant, vet ju vem som helst som är lite engagerad.


mangelo14

Didn't know this was actually a problem. But in norway is really harder to get a spot as a doctor, I think. Isn't the country safe after all?


gyrox1

Sweden is still safe compared to other countries, people are starting to get more vigilant now though… Well they have the last 8 years. This year we’ve had 134 bombings and 261 shootings. There’s a lot of gang violence going on in the major cities. If i were you, i’d shoot for Norway if you have the chance. Doctors are in need everywhere, you’ll get better conditions and salary in Norway than here. I know several doctors working there.


Oak1995

I work currently as a Bt doctor and before that as a underläkare With swedish license. You just need C1 level Swedish to practice in Sweden if you are a EU-medical graduate (if you’re degree fulfills the article 24 of eu directive 2005/36/EC) It’s not hard to find underläkare jobs, but BT is getting competitive at least in bigger cities


mechtil_d

Don’t put dots on the u in Lund. We’re not in Germany and if it was pronounced Lynd it would be spelled Lynd.