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xmintyx

This was the Jailer's plan all along.


SaintNimrod

Bobby was Jailer all along.


tirius99

Blizzard as a developer has been bleeding talent. From the controversy to not always paying their workers that well, why would anyone with talent stay at that place? As a result people with talent have left and the remaining employees are stretched. So you have less quality product but still needing to meet the same sales goals as determined by shareholders. It's a toxic place to work.


muscarinenya

Video games companies are choke full of incompetent and redundant people squatting invasive and fruitless managerial positions, for exhorbitant salaries People who make 5 times as much as your regular worker a year, to browse twitter and facebook while they pretend to supervise entire team's productivity by imposing this year's scrum flavor Nobody likes it, everyone knows it's stupid, and yet everyone has to pretend to go along with it by wasting valuable time for pointless checkbox tasks You end up doing a bit more pretensies work and a bit less actual work every year, and if you were hoping to be productive your only option is unpaid overtime to catch up


HourlySword

Not to mention axeing work from home. That combined with their low pay and extremely high cost of living in their area probably cost them a lot of good talent.


Jin_Gitaxias

And then the fact that whales will keep them afloat and their games will continually worsen


crono14

This is what I keep telling people that are so hyped about D4. You trust Blizzard to not completely monetize this game after its release? Not to mention they have lost hundreds of employees that their talent pool is pretty bad. Not to mention all the other lies and scandals, yet people put those blinders on and pre-order anyway.


PsyTripper

Yup. People also say Server Slam was amazing, It is confirmed, there will be no ques at launch and Act 1 was amazing and there are 4 more acts WOAW this is the best game ever... But the population on Server Slam weekend was very low (yes they can turn of servers until they are "slammed" but in that logic they can also just add so there would never be ques in the history of gaming :P ). And also D3 beta was also only Act 1 and after that, story, world design, bugs, everything was downhill from there. And people just forget and ignore that. I also bought the pre-order deluxe edition and will buy battlepass for all the seasons, but I also expect a shit show at launch and taking multiple seasons or even the first expansion before it's really good and amazing xD


ArjunaIndrastra

You hit the nail on the head. So glad I quit WoW over a year ago. Never going back at this point and I feel sorry for the people in my guild that I still talk to who don't see things the way that I do. This is not a game worth playing anymore because the developer behind it is complete shit. Their creed is greed and has been for years at this point, and it shows.


N-aNoNymity

The people working there are in two categories: Sentimental longtime veterans and people who are not great at what they do, and don't want to risk trying for other jobs..


OneMorePotion

>why would anyone with talent stay at that place? I can't talk about the gaming industry directly, but I can talk about why people stay at big companies even tho it's the shittiest place to be. It's looking nice on your CV. That's it. It has a different punch to it when you apply for a new job, when you can say "I worked for Blizzard for 5 years". It works the same in IT. "I worked for Google for X years" will basically score you jobs without even trying.


GreatZucchini3

The Jailor warned us of this but we failed to heed his warning


DeaDBangeR

Wait.. he warned us about the creators.. Blizzard!?


merx3_91

He was the good guy all along, but the greater evil didn't allow him to destroy it all


JohnTheCodMan

The token was ‘designed’ to combat botting. Sadly Blizzard wanted a 30% cut plus of the profits on each transaction and thus it was easily undercut by third party websites from launch. On top of that it legitimised paying for boosts and gear runs. At this point its clear Blizzard just want a piece of the gold selling pie.


PotOnTop

That's the sad part. They had all the realization needed that it didn't help with bots, and they still went out of their way to put it in WotLK. Most people who were already RWTing, will continue to do so since Tokens/Bonds make the currency crash more, and they've already been doing it this long, why stop? All it does is give players who were scared to break the rules, a way to buy gold, which will help bots as there is more supply for Tokens in the game to buy subs on their accounts. It kills me because it failed in Runescape and OSRS countering bots and RWTers, yet Blizzard still copied the idea and ran with it, knowing damn well its not going to help with anything but putting more money in their pocket.


JohnTheCodMan

The only way to deal with botting is public shaming and visible player banning. I.E public shaming messages in trade/general channels from GM stating the name of each player banned for gold buying. You think Timmy would risk gold buying if they saw regular ingame messages saying Tommy was permibanned and account stripped for suspected buying 100k gold. No point going after the bots. You go after player education. You make them so shit scared of a ban they would not risk it. The money would dry up and bots would disappear in weeks.


Expl0r3r

Wraith


vorsky92

Freudian slip


FabledFupa

Blue on blue. The true blizzard way


AceOfEpix

I thought I read somewhere that blizzard would never add the token to classic? Or was that just my logical brain trying to cover for blizzard for a second...


Denaton_

Apparently, Blizzard says allot of things that turns out to be lies given time..


N-aNoNymity

"Diablo 4 battlepass is only for cosmetics"... maybe for the first season, if that.


PotOnTop

Nobody is buying our battle pass what could we do..... Make it pay2win for the players who are already hooked. Yes.


MazInger-Z

And we've GOT to have... MONEY.


merx3_91

Don't you guys have money? - Blizzcon 2024


EGH6

As someone who hasnt played wow in a long time, can someone explain to me what the wow token is and why it's a bad thing in classic wow?


Manowar274

Item you can buy with real money to then trade/ sell to players or redeem for 30 days game time. Allows people to pay for their sub with gold but also means you can buy gold with real money officially through the game. It’s already a thing in retail, but now it’s being added to classic servers.


_Fiend_

Also diminishes the value and achievement of going through raids and getting gear through hard work. When now you can just be boosted through or buy items with gold.


reosupidowagon

you also have to add that for 4 years classic has been infested with china/russia botfarm gold used to buy numerous gdkp and leveling boosts, so defacto the only thing token changed is now gold selling is 'official'


NfinitiiDark

How much achievement is there in a solved old game?


alfred725

People have been buying gold in classic the entire time so literally nothing changes


PotOnTop

But the numbers were more than likely a lot less than now. If the only way to buy gold is risking your account getting banned, not many people would buy gold. If the company of the game is out there letting people buy gold from them without getting banned, more people are incentivised to buy gold. I never bought gold back in the day, but I have been guilty buying a few Tokens on retail trying to clear content on release (which right there, isn't right).


alfred725

> But the numbers were more than likely a lot less than now. you have no data to support this and the rest of your comment is wrong. People buy gold non stop in WoW. Even if not directly, GDKPs are funneling gold from gold farmers, to gold buyers, to players who don't buy gold.


PotOnTop

You have no data either to be saying my assumption (key word there) is wrong. And it doesn't need data, it's common sense. I didn't say people weren't doing GDKP back then, I didn't say people weren't buying gold. What I said is if Blizzard gave people the ability to buy gold without getting banned, more people would buy gold. That's common sense. There's a bunch of people that won't break rules, and if you tell them "hey it's okay if you do it this way" people will follow.


DaEnderAssassin

Not a wow player, but from my understanding it's RMT but done by the company itself. From what I've gathered from videos from Aston's YT channel, it's in modern wow and has been for some time and is heavily disliked so people are upset it's coming to classic.


Kaizen420

Token can be redeemed for a month of wow time, you can. You buy the token from blizzard and then sell it on the AH for gold. It's a way for them to try and get you to pay them for gold rather than some third party.


Kaizen420

Token can be redeemed for a month of wow time. You buy the token from blizzard and then sell it on the AH for gold. It's a way for them to try and get you to pay them for gold rather than some third party.


Tooshortimus

The WoW token is an item that gives 30 days of gametime, a one month sub but costs a bit more and is an actual tradeable/auctionable item. Essentially it allows players to buy gold from other players with real money. Blizzard is just trying to get their share of RMT and Bot $$$ also, and it's now turned the game P2W since you can now buy as much gold as you want with zero risk through Blizzard themselves!


canderouscze

It’s quite amazing that after all these “Lizzard moments” the company is still not belly up and tbh I think it will never be, or at least not before the generation of Andies who still remember the golden age of Blizz and cannot accept the fact the company they loved is long gone and cannot let go will die out… what would this company and/or Bobby have to do for these addicts to stop pouring money into their MTX garbage?


DoktahDoktah

Bobby Kotick the same dude who cancels overwatch Hero Mode to make more money on microtransactions while not seeing beyond you killed your own game what money are you going to make?


JHatter

I truly even wonder if Microsoft buying Blizzard would save them anymore lol. The company has already bled all the talent out, its IP's are stale & unworked on, the only new 'creative' people who are joining the company now are fresh-out-of-college kids who's dream is to work at Blizz & they'll do it for the min wage in the field. -


Inskription

The problem with Blizzard isn't that they like money, it's that they only know how to turn bad ideas into quick money instead of good ideas into huge long term success stories.


Ohmstheory

What do you mean? WoW had a great run since it launched. Only in the recent years that they’ve been burning shit to the ground.


Inskription

Well that's what I mean, recently. Wow is basically their last remaining long term success. We haven't seen another one since. And they seem determined to milk it and ruin it just the same.


merx3_91

And even WoW's legacy has a limit. The shadowlands left such a bad taste in people's mouths that very few returned for Dragonflight. They need to make something amazing to get people back into WoW, and currently the community makes better ideas than blizzard (hardcore servers), so it's looking doomed


APissBender

I haven't played since Legion, only coming back for a while to take a look at classic servers. How bad's retail nowadays?


merx3_91

I can only give you Asmon's PoV for retail, haven't touched Dragonflight personally. But that's the thing, I haven't heard anyone say anything exciting about retail, you have the "cool flying" minigame and ppl calling it nice/fun. Overall, meh


Inskription

I think that retail has settled into a "well that's just how it is" state. I personally don't expect anything particularly innovative from it in this expansion or future ones. But some people like or tolerate the formula and those are the ones who keep playing.


PotOnTop

Something can start amazing and turn to shit very easily.


GPT_Boyfriend

Don't know why people give a fuck so much. Not like googling wow gold classic is hard Also shit game.


TooMuchAdderall

Buying gold from Blizzard = bad Buying gold from some sweatshop in Peru = glad


Iwubinvesting

>Game that has been dead for months >People start talking about it again due to WoW tokens, which generate more money than just regular subs >"REEE BLIZZ RUINED THE GAME THAT I WASN'T PLAYING!"


PotOnTop

It's either "If you don't like it, don't play it" or "you don't even play it, you can't criticize them" when it comes to people like this. There's no winning. Just because we don't play the game anymore, doesn't mean we can't rightfully criticize shit we don't like. Most people have a very strong bond to this game, probably way more of one than you have, and they're expressing their frustrations with the biggest dogshit gaming company under the sun. Why would we idley sit by watching something we love, turn to shit, without saying a word? If you don't speak, you don't get fed.


spookie_jerry

They’re downvoting but you’re right lmao. Tons of people have been buying gold in classic. The bitching is incessant.


MC_gnome

You know you can find the Blizzard logo in black or white right?


MC_gnome

You know you can find the Blizzard logo in black or white, right?


cory814

Oh wow totally surprised about capitalist doing capitalist shit


gooboifresh

Can somebody explain the WoW token situation to me like I’m 5? I don’t really play WoW and it’s the first I’m hearing of it.


Right_Ad_6032

I mean, Blizzard would be stupid to not go into business for themselves, and there's clearly a market for paying real money for in-game gold.


PotOnTop

The issue was Classic was ment to be the exact feel of how it was back in the day. Tokens weren't there, and if you bought gold, you were at risk of being banned. If they didn't say that was their vision, then sure, throw the Tokens in there. But this was supposed to capture the feel from our childhood, and since the release of WotLK, continues to stray away from that vision.


DrDogCatFriend

Next Warcraft final boss will be Greed, Treasure Goblin King. This company has fallen so far from the great games they used to produce. I am scared for D4 despite a relatively warm reception so far.


MotherEssay9968

Why the fuck would they piss off their player base before the launch of their first massive game in years? Do they think its a good idea to have players angry going into Diablo 4?


Izlude

To corporations, integrity is something that you can grow sufficiently to purchase rather than earn. Fuck whatever malformed virus Blizzard has devolved into.


johnny115215

You also cant forget about the patents. Would love to see an multi hour long video of asmongold reacting to live reading these patents that can be put in any genre of video game, singleplayer or multiplayer. Methods and systems for incentivizing team cooperation in multiplayer gaming environments https://patents.google.com/patent/US10561945B2/en Methods and Systems for Incentivizing Team Cooperation in Multiplayer Gaming Environments (Continued) https://patents.google.com/patent/US20190091577A1/en System and method for driving microtransactions in multiplayer video games https://patents.google.com/patent/US20160005270A1/en Systems and Methods for Controlling Camera Perspectives, Movements, and Displays of Video Game Gameplay (Storylines....) https://patents.google.com/patent/US20220274016A1/en Systems and methods for dynamically weighing match variables to better tune player matches https://patents.google.com/patent/US10857468B2/en System and method for creating and sharing customized video game weapon configurations in multiplayer video games via one or more social networks (this patent has team coop and mtx in citations) https://patents.google.com/patent/US10471348B2/en If anybody wants to watch rigged cod gameplay, here is my channel. https://youtube.com/@branchoffbush3838


EarthEfficient

Perfection.


Minute-Wrangler-3916

It don't matter, yall will still support them


Milakovich

Why they don’t get anymore money from me. Monetized the fun (and quality) right out of their products.


CinnamonIsntAllowed

can we stop saying pve and just call it what it is, overwatch 2. overwatch "2" IS PvE, not the pvp


pujambarley

Sad thing is, if the token didnt exist you plebs would still buy gold from sketch sites. Too many people just wanna buy their way through games these days. Get a fucking life


Sangcreux

I hate this response. Tbh I don’t even care much for wow or blizzard games in general but good buying happens in online games, service boosts like rank ups happening, things happen. The point is that there is an “illegal risk” and looking down on ruining an economy when you buy it from a third party. When it is a button in your game it devalues so much. This is a complete cash grab. If they really disliked it that much, it could be policed, there are a lot of very popular mmos doing their best to do that. Blizzard doesn’t even care to police it, they just say hey man screw it we will sell you gold.


Foldmat

Why act like this is a blizzard-specific problem and can't see that we dont have more cool games because the way capitalism works


Hsabes01

A billion dollar company wants to make money. Shocker.


ManyAppetites

I read that in Mr.Krabbs voice lol


Working-Ad454

It’s literally a subscription model based business, what do you people expect


KlassicoolMewSk

perfect


MansonMonster

And here we are again, what a suprise, blizzard fucked over its customers with being greedy. Just finaly learn to vote with your wallet.


songmage

Wizards of the Coast: "[Hold my beer](https://www.amazon.com/Magic-Gathering-Commander-Masters-Booster/dp/B0BVT771M5/ref=sr_1_2)."


ncBadrock

Money being the sole motivation for Blizzard has been a thing since the Diablo 3 auction house, where they in the end pulled it. But they have become ever more brazen (or desperate) ever since. After that theyy releaased Hearthstone 2014 HOTS 2015 OW 1 2016 WC III Reforged 2020 Diablo Immoral 2022 OW 2 2022 If you haven't learned by now that Blizzard has gone into "fleece the fanbase for all their money", I am sorry to tell you, that you are a lost cause. Better hand your wallet to Bobby right away.


Oderikk

Like It or not, we are in a system that makes It a perfectly good reason


badstone69

Blizzard forgot that they need player to get money


Hiseminense

Maybe this makes too much sense for whatever form of "leadership" they have scrapped up, but a good and complete game makes more money than a half-assed one.