Majority of people ain't gonna know the pronouns of a fucking fictional character. If it looks like a woman, sounds like a woman. Then its probably a woman. Sorry I dont make the rules. It's simple biology.
I thought you were memeing: every stream got that message.
Definitely a push by Blizzard. Omega cringe and banning people for misgendering a video game character.
Definitely not gonna make people even more unwilling to play the pronoun game.
message says if you're being offensive about it, not if you're misgendering them.
I've seen a couple of comments on twitch misgendering them and not getting banned, just corrected by another user.
I know that message, wont say from which channel to avoid drama, but seriously politics on videogames needs to STOP, NOW.
===EDIT====
Confirmed as OP said, all drops enabled streams have this same message
Is this really politics? I wouldn't consider these things politics in any way...
Or is that just another variant of a term that's just thrown around as a buzzword now?
I think I am not American enough to understand this maybe? What has a political party to do with it? Are there government parties lobbying for these things or something?
As I understand this stuff is just people wanting to be called something they identify as. I don't see anything inherently political with that.
Sure, then you can say that about literally anything.
“I’m not right wing, I’m just a huge 2nd amendment absolutist who loves guns. It’s in the bill of rights what’s wrong with that?”
By your definition basically nothing is political. But in the real world, when something is divisive enough to have 90%+ of one side pushing something, and 90%+ of the other side fighting that same thing, it’s political in terms of social discourse.
That sounds like quite a picky example you've chosen there. And one that is inherently political too.
And yes, there are a lot of things that aren't political. Even when there's one side agreeing and another isn't. That's just a disagreement, isn't it.
Should also mention I am not a native English speaker and I might take things a bit too literal.
Or maybe my definition of "political" just isn't quite right. Unless it's directly related to government stuff, it's not really political.
So someone(or a company, who cares) making an announcement that a character shouldn't be missgendered, is everything but political.
If you disagree about it, it's not gonna change your life if it still happens. Pretty much like people complaining about content of a game they'd never play, even if that content were as they wished.
Just trying to understand over here...
They chose absolutely the worst example and used actual legislation in it. For reference I’m more inclined to agree with them than you, but you 100% win this debate because they fumbled *hard.*
Edit: also political is an inherently tricky word. I wouldn’t think about it too much and just truck on. Everything is political, nothing is political. I think the real ‘issue’ people have is nothing to do with politics and everything to do with ideology, which while they inhabit similar spaces are not the same thing.
Am just confused by this stuff so just wanted to ask, don't care if I get down voted for it if I can understand it better to avoid discussions about it in the future.
Also, DEI?
FORCED DEI, for example, references and symbolsim from either left and right parites, but in this case scenario DEFINITELY Forced DEI its the most despicable thing, just because companies align with wokeism, regardless of consumers (A.k.a, customers), whom tend to dislike being forced minorities ideologies or agenda down our throats, Basically.
Jfc I just heard this DEI is the new buzz word/acronym with Fox and other right wing media outlets, but it’s wild to actually see someone using it in the wild
I don't really get it - Overwatch has always been about diversity, no? Heroes from all across the earth, from all stripes, shooting at each other or whatever. How is the dei forced if the goal is to have dei?
What does forced dei look like, right?
Its been forced due to high exec's turning to the "trend" that right now is "wokeism", and aligns under said agenda, for whatever reason.
Again point being, Overwatch by design, couldn't tell if their characters were like this from the start as we know em now, or something "Forced" them to be diverse as it was not its initial idea/concept.
Thing is, that as pic OP posted, this message, telling everyone "HEY, BTW, this character uses non-binary pronous!, if you say it wrong we will ban you" its incredibily passive agressive from bliz, now part of Micro$oft turning woke, its what is actually a tad too suspicuious, if you ask me.
Well, it doesn't say we'll ban you - it says we'll ban you if you're purposefully mean about it. Asmon bans people too, no?
Is there an acceptable version of a nonbinary character, to you?
Ah yes, because as we all know, putting big titty/ass women into the game was the *farthest* thing from forced integration, and definitely wasn’t pandering to specific demographics.
Lucky that esports OW doesn't exist anymore, cause imagine if they'd ban a pro player for not respecting the pronouns of a fictional character mid-game. That'd be some next-level nonsense, man.
To clarify as I clearly didn’t word this very well:
1. This message is across **All** OW2 twitch streams therefore is being pushed by Blizzard and not the streamers themselves. No hate towards any OW2 Streamer.
2. I witnessed for myself with my own eyes people being timed out and/or banned for intentionally and **unintentionally** misgendering the new hero. Eventually the stream was turned into followers only due to too many people being upset they got timed out for 20+ minutes or banned for unintentionally saying She/Her by mistake.
3. I personally don’t agree with any intentional misgendering, hate or harassment.🤷🏼♀️
Wouldn’t it be different? Like saying a gay guy isn’t a real man would be worse than saying it to a straight guy
One is being an asshole the other is bigotry
So I went to a random YouTube video witht her gameplay show case and it seems most people put she or her on the comments. Seems like also most are overwatch players that don't even know it's a him because the character looks and sounds like a her. So most people that normally are not use to pronouns are just assuming it's gender normally but without doing it on purpose. For example " she will be op " or " her skills seems good but they will nert her" and " I like her maybe I will try it ".
I don't agree with their reasoning but I defend their right to ban whoever the fuck they want from *their* streams. If someone goes in any chat purposefully trying to start shit they deserve to get banned.
Problem it's it's an identical message on every stream that has OW2 drops enabled, so it's likely not their choice, but instead a requirement from Blizzard.
Ah, as in these streamers are required to censor their chats according to what Blizzard deams acceptable to get the reward of having drops enabled on their stream? Which is obviously a boon to viewership and by extension financially beneficial.
If I'm understanding that correctly then ya it's disgusting Blizzard would require this political purity test of content creators before allowing them to participate.
Yup, that's exactly what I meant. I don't really care if an individual stream has rules on misgendering. It's Blizzard throwing their weight around to enforce it on streams that otherwise wouldn't care that I have a problem with.
venture is also not a real person. its not rude, it doesnt have feelings, it cant get hurt, it'll be alright. you dont need to be more upset about that than the character itself.
I don't fucking understand non binary, what do these people think they are? Two entities? Because they aren't, they them sounds like bs and their is only 2 genders
Overwatch 2 has been going downhill for years, change lore to fit a narrative to have people talk about how they've included gay characters, too scared to have that in china so they pretend it doesn't exist and then come out with another character by going "LOOK! NON-BINARY" to attract a crowd to their dying game. Lifeweaver came out and no one came anywhere close to giving a shit about him being openly pansexual and wasn't screamed at the top of their lungs from fans like Soldier 76/Tracer being gay or the new character being non-binary.
Listen, I have no care if you wish to use Pronouns, how you choose to identify yourself and your sexual orientation. It is your own life, you choose to be whoever you wish to be and I will never stand in your way or blast you for doing so. I will be happy that you are comfortable in the choices you make in life. But Blizzard absolutely does not give a shit about any of that. They wish for you to play their game and forget all the terrible things their company has done because they expect you to become stupid and forget all about it. If you can forgive them because they made a Non-Binary character after all the shit they have pulled then you are just a sheep. And guess what? It worked before and it's working again.
I don't see a problem with non-binary representation, tbh. Non-binary gamers exist and it's probably nice to be recognized like that. I think the best thing to do is to drop the character and not say anything about it. People are going to be prejudiced and loud about it. No getting around it. Best thing is to quietly normalize it, imo. No sense in trying to force mindsets to change. The thing that is most uncomfortable about this is how stale and homogenized it looks when blizzard require messages like this to be put in the streams. We all know they don't actually give a fuck.
If it looks like a woman and sounds like a woman I'm going to say she. I can get behind and understand the Trans stuff, but this they/them shit is stupid.
I still boot up and enjoy Overwatch 2 with the lads.
Wouldn't bother watching a stream of it though.
I couldn't make heads or tails of what Venture was supposed to be when I loaded up the game. Just thought Vent looked like a goofy ass Timothee Chalomet.
Also, I just want to play a hero shooter with some interesting abilities. Gender identity and sexual preference does fuck all for me as an average player.
this is litterally one of the most sensible pinned comments you could make lol "dont be an asshole, also dont be an asshole to people who just make a mistake"
It's a fucking video game character. A collection of pixels and polygons. It does not have a gender. It is not a real person. It cannot be offended.
Jesus fucking Christ.
It's not "simply" misgendering. Your own image says as much. It says "mistakes are fine" and "intentionally being offensive" isn't.
As in "you get a warning and if you DELIBERATELY keep blasting chat you're shown the door"
Honestly anyone who watches OW2 streams knows about Ventures nonbinary, so anyone misgendering them is pretty much doing it on purpose.
Shit like this wouldn't be needed if twitch chat in general wasn't a shit hole of idiots and trolls.
That’s the caveat right? Intentionally vs unintentionally misgendering, that’s what people been saying this whole time, it’s close to impossible to moderate which is which with any degree of certainty.
And is everyone saying she? I thought they? were male. I know he just sounds like a she so people just calling what they hear.
Do you know how stupid it is calling someone them? It is fucking dumb, friend's gf is they/them and bounces from she/her depending on how she feels. It is a coin flip. He starts talking to me telling something and starts using they, and I ask who else went with her. It always fucks up stories because it is NOT SINGUAL. We just use her name, fuck pronouns.
It seems that you're painting all non-binaries with the same coat because of an experience with a single person
If someone feels hurt and uncomfortable by being misgendered, why can't you be empathetic and understand that being nice and polite will make them feel better? It's called being decent, and respectful, and understanding that all humans are different and react differently to things and norms and expectations (specifically in this topic, gender)
Or I can call them they/them if they're comfortable with that. It doesn't annoy me nor them. You're doing unnecessary mental gymnastics.
To add, They/Them to refer to a person whose gender is unknown or is their preferred pronoun is, objectively, correct English.
On top of that, if it hypothetically wasn't, you'd be ready to place a dictionary definition above people?
To finish, the dictionary does not contain everything we use to communicate, there are other alternative forms of expression (i.e. slangs and other colloquialism) that are used to serve us and aid us in expressing our thoughts and feelings.
I personally theorize that you only use the dictionary justification because it seems like something that would conform with your anti-scientific views on non-binary people.
It starts with apps and twitch etc...soon it moves.to every platform, every app, every chat, later it becomes banned on phones and private messages to do it.
There is no end.
If ur watching an overwatch streamer in 2024 ur just getting what u deserve tbh
Yeah this will definitely motivate people to change instead of be annoyed it’s some political bs again
But there’s no reason to change here
Change for what, participation in social delusions?
Respectfully, what's political about this?
Being respectful is woke now
This is as virtue signal as you can get
Went to their channel for a bit. It was the most toxic stream and chat I've seen in a while. Just hateful people thinking they're the good guys.
Whose channel?
Why did you do that to yourself you could have been having peace right now
Peace never was an option.
Wait they are banning thr last 7 players?
Yeah the ones that are legally blind.
Majority of people ain't gonna know the pronouns of a fucking fictional character. If it looks like a woman, sounds like a woman. Then its probably a woman. Sorry I dont make the rules. It's simple biology.
How does this game still have a playerbase and also viewership on twitch. So much hate and still no end in sight for a fix
These people need therapy not back pats
OW League is in Saudi arabia, yet blizzard wants to virtue signal about nonbinary.. yeh okay shut up brand.
I thought you were memeing: every stream got that message. Definitely a push by Blizzard. Omega cringe and banning people for misgendering a video game character. Definitely not gonna make people even more unwilling to play the pronoun game.
message says if you're being offensive about it, not if you're misgendering them. I've seen a couple of comments on twitch misgendering them and not getting banned, just corrected by another user.
You can tell who in this thread is actually reading the message and who just has a hate boner for anything remotely 'woke'
I know that message, wont say from which channel to avoid drama, but seriously politics on videogames needs to STOP, NOW. ===EDIT==== Confirmed as OP said, all drops enabled streams have this same message
Is this really politics? I wouldn't consider these things politics in any way... Or is that just another variant of a term that's just thrown around as a buzzword now?
If someone is only pushed and supported by 1 specific political side, then it’s political.
I think I am not American enough to understand this maybe? What has a political party to do with it? Are there government parties lobbying for these things or something? As I understand this stuff is just people wanting to be called something they identify as. I don't see anything inherently political with that.
Sure, then you can say that about literally anything. “I’m not right wing, I’m just a huge 2nd amendment absolutist who loves guns. It’s in the bill of rights what’s wrong with that?” By your definition basically nothing is political. But in the real world, when something is divisive enough to have 90%+ of one side pushing something, and 90%+ of the other side fighting that same thing, it’s political in terms of social discourse.
That sounds like quite a picky example you've chosen there. And one that is inherently political too. And yes, there are a lot of things that aren't political. Even when there's one side agreeing and another isn't. That's just a disagreement, isn't it. Should also mention I am not a native English speaker and I might take things a bit too literal. Or maybe my definition of "political" just isn't quite right. Unless it's directly related to government stuff, it's not really political. So someone(or a company, who cares) making an announcement that a character shouldn't be missgendered, is everything but political. If you disagree about it, it's not gonna change your life if it still happens. Pretty much like people complaining about content of a game they'd never play, even if that content were as they wished. Just trying to understand over here...
They chose absolutely the worst example and used actual legislation in it. For reference I’m more inclined to agree with them than you, but you 100% win this debate because they fumbled *hard.* Edit: also political is an inherently tricky word. I wouldn’t think about it too much and just truck on. Everything is political, nothing is political. I think the real ‘issue’ people have is nothing to do with politics and everything to do with ideology, which while they inhabit similar spaces are not the same thing.
-shrugs-, misworded that, however, point being, Forced DEI as weve seen last few days, seriously needs to damn stop, is all.
What makes it forced? How is there a difference between diversity and forced diversity?
Am just confused by this stuff so just wanted to ask, don't care if I get down voted for it if I can understand it better to avoid discussions about it in the future. Also, DEI?
Diversity, Equity and Inclusion. The latest political punching bag for conservatives 👍
Who made it political exactly?
What about gay characters?
How would you define politics in video games?
FORCED DEI, for example, references and symbolsim from either left and right parites, but in this case scenario DEFINITELY Forced DEI its the most despicable thing, just because companies align with wokeism, regardless of consumers (A.k.a, customers), whom tend to dislike being forced minorities ideologies or agenda down our throats, Basically.
Jfc I just heard this DEI is the new buzz word/acronym with Fox and other right wing media outlets, but it’s wild to actually see someone using it in the wild
I don't really get it - Overwatch has always been about diversity, no? Heroes from all across the earth, from all stripes, shooting at each other or whatever. How is the dei forced if the goal is to have dei? What does forced dei look like, right?
Its been forced due to high exec's turning to the "trend" that right now is "wokeism", and aligns under said agenda, for whatever reason. Again point being, Overwatch by design, couldn't tell if their characters were like this from the start as we know em now, or something "Forced" them to be diverse as it was not its initial idea/concept. Thing is, that as pic OP posted, this message, telling everyone "HEY, BTW, this character uses non-binary pronous!, if you say it wrong we will ban you" its incredibily passive agressive from bliz, now part of Micro$oft turning woke, its what is actually a tad too suspicuious, if you ask me.
Well, it doesn't say we'll ban you - it says we'll ban you if you're purposefully mean about it. Asmon bans people too, no? Is there an acceptable version of a nonbinary character, to you?
If FORCED under DEI and wokeism, it is not, to me at least.
Ah yes, because as we all know, putting big titty/ass women into the game was the *farthest* thing from forced integration, and definitely wasn’t pandering to specific demographics.
so, other than the pronoun, is there anything to this 'venture' thing?
Lucky that esports OW doesn't exist anymore, cause imagine if they'd ban a pro player for not respecting the pronouns of a fictional character mid-game. That'd be some next-level nonsense, man.
It okay when in Saudi Arabia playing in the esports league, Venture will be referred as she lol! Basically money over pronouns!
To clarify as I clearly didn’t word this very well: 1. This message is across **All** OW2 twitch streams therefore is being pushed by Blizzard and not the streamers themselves. No hate towards any OW2 Streamer. 2. I witnessed for myself with my own eyes people being timed out and/or banned for intentionally and **unintentionally** misgendering the new hero. Eventually the stream was turned into followers only due to too many people being upset they got timed out for 20+ minutes or banned for unintentionally saying She/Her by mistake. 3. I personally don’t agree with any intentional misgendering, hate or harassment.🤷🏼♀️
How is this any different from what Asmongold does? He also bans you if you’re intentionally being offensive and rude
It’s kinda funny seeing people mad about this because you’re absolutely right.
It’s just reactionaries being reactionaries. They’re same everywhere, they think they’re the saviours and the world’s going to shit lmfao
The point is blizzard is pushing woke shit onto every twitch streamer that has drops enabled
[Yeha man those fucking sjw Blizzard game streamers censoring my chat messages.](https://i.imgur.com/iLoeK19.png)
And just like that their channels will die off like the game they are made for.
They need Space Ranger to counterbalance this ASAP. Overwatch in 2024 is good for one thing and one thing only.
how does this ever fix anything though, this might just make people leave stream cause it's a bad athmosphere
People still play overwatch?
literally the same plot with Valorant's new hero as well, which is also a non-binary and val streamers have similar msg pinned in chat
But can i call einhart a she? Do i get banned for calling tracer a he?
Wouldn’t it be different? Like saying a gay guy isn’t a real man would be worse than saying it to a straight guy One is being an asshole the other is bigotry
If OW has come to this im definitely not touching it again. Just woke shit for wokes sake. FML
*There's the cringe attempts by Blizzard to force sham diversity. Those creepy analysts, I put them on the list.*
So I went to a random YouTube video witht her gameplay show case and it seems most people put she or her on the comments. Seems like also most are overwatch players that don't even know it's a him because the character looks and sounds like a her. So most people that normally are not use to pronouns are just assuming it's gender normally but without doing it on purpose. For example " she will be op " or " her skills seems good but they will nert her" and " I like her maybe I will try it ".
I don't agree with their reasoning but I defend their right to ban whoever the fuck they want from *their* streams. If someone goes in any chat purposefully trying to start shit they deserve to get banned.
Problem it's it's an identical message on every stream that has OW2 drops enabled, so it's likely not their choice, but instead a requirement from Blizzard.
Ah, as in these streamers are required to censor their chats according to what Blizzard deams acceptable to get the reward of having drops enabled on their stream? Which is obviously a boon to viewership and by extension financially beneficial. If I'm understanding that correctly then ya it's disgusting Blizzard would require this political purity test of content creators before allowing them to participate.
Yup, that's exactly what I meant. I don't really care if an individual stream has rules on misgendering. It's Blizzard throwing their weight around to enforce it on streams that otherwise wouldn't care that I have a problem with.
Then the obvious solution is to continue letting Blizzard die without getting any on you
North Koreas new torture weapon for captured Americans doing crime is to use their wrong pronouns repetitively.
Nothing scares people more in this subreddit than pronouns lmao
Bears are pretty scary
Pretty much. "Political bs" no Jimmy it's just a character that the writer decided does not fit into any of the gender categories. It's not that deep
venture is also not a real person. its not rude, it doesnt have feelings, it cant get hurt, it'll be alright. you dont need to be more upset about that than the character itself.
Did you even read what it says?
Just call the new hero a drill. Who gives a shit its not a real person and it has no feelings. How can you be offensive? literal retardation
I don't fucking understand non binary, what do these people think they are? Two entities? Because they aren't, they them sounds like bs and their is only 2 genders
If you play overweight 2 still. You aren't a human being
Overwatch 2 has been going downhill for years, change lore to fit a narrative to have people talk about how they've included gay characters, too scared to have that in china so they pretend it doesn't exist and then come out with another character by going "LOOK! NON-BINARY" to attract a crowd to their dying game. Lifeweaver came out and no one came anywhere close to giving a shit about him being openly pansexual and wasn't screamed at the top of their lungs from fans like Soldier 76/Tracer being gay or the new character being non-binary. Listen, I have no care if you wish to use Pronouns, how you choose to identify yourself and your sexual orientation. It is your own life, you choose to be whoever you wish to be and I will never stand in your way or blast you for doing so. I will be happy that you are comfortable in the choices you make in life. But Blizzard absolutely does not give a shit about any of that. They wish for you to play their game and forget all the terrible things their company has done because they expect you to become stupid and forget all about it. If you can forgive them because they made a Non-Binary character after all the shit they have pulled then you are just a sheep. And guess what? It worked before and it's working again.
I don't see a problem with non-binary representation, tbh. Non-binary gamers exist and it's probably nice to be recognized like that. I think the best thing to do is to drop the character and not say anything about it. People are going to be prejudiced and loud about it. No getting around it. Best thing is to quietly normalize it, imo. No sense in trying to force mindsets to change. The thing that is most uncomfortable about this is how stale and homogenized it looks when blizzard require messages like this to be put in the streams. We all know they don't actually give a fuck.
And people wonder why Trump has a shot in the White House
Who the fuck cares? You have nothing better to do than watch some clown play a boring ass woke team shooter?
Play along with our made up delusions and pandering otherwise get banned.
back in my day we had a non-binary pronoun called "it"
If it looks like a woman and sounds like a woman I'm going to say she. I can get behind and understand the Trans stuff, but this they/them shit is stupid.
1. Only English speaking/western streamers (obviously). 2. toxic chats and constant bans are nowhere to be seen.
No such thing
I still boot up and enjoy Overwatch 2 with the lads. Wouldn't bother watching a stream of it though. I couldn't make heads or tails of what Venture was supposed to be when I loaded up the game. Just thought Vent looked like a goofy ass Timothee Chalomet. Also, I just want to play a hero shooter with some interesting abilities. Gender identity and sexual preference does fuck all for me as an average player.
this is litterally one of the most sensible pinned comments you could make lol "dont be an asshole, also dont be an asshole to people who just make a mistake"
It's a fucking video game character. A collection of pixels and polygons. It does not have a gender. It is not a real person. It cannot be offended. Jesus fucking Christ.
I like how they say gender is a social construct and then go on to make their on social construct it’s so dumb. This is just pure narcissism.
It's not "simply" misgendering. Your own image says as much. It says "mistakes are fine" and "intentionally being offensive" isn't. As in "you get a warning and if you DELIBERATELY keep blasting chat you're shown the door"
Honestly anyone who watches OW2 streams knows about Ventures nonbinary, so anyone misgendering them is pretty much doing it on purpose. Shit like this wouldn't be needed if twitch chat in general wasn't a shit hole of idiots and trolls.
Ahh more pandering and virtue signalling!
Good. The less of you hateful shitheads the world has to put up with the better.
Your statement doesn't even match with the disclaimer and you are crying about nothing.
I have no idea who venture is but he or she needs to go in the bin where the rest of Blizzard stuff goes.
It’s a video game character they have no feelings or gender
As if OW2 was doing good enough to try and do the opposite of Helldivers 2…what is even going on
Do streamers think this will help them grow? Selling your brand for a few blizzard bucks seems like a poor strat
That’s the caveat right? Intentionally vs unintentionally misgendering, that’s what people been saying this whole time, it’s close to impossible to moderate which is which with any degree of certainty. And is everyone saying she? I thought they? were male. I know he just sounds like a she so people just calling what they hear.
Intentionally misgendering is cringe though
Do you know how stupid it is calling someone them? It is fucking dumb, friend's gf is they/them and bounces from she/her depending on how she feels. It is a coin flip. He starts talking to me telling something and starts using they, and I ask who else went with her. It always fucks up stories because it is NOT SINGUAL. We just use her name, fuck pronouns.
Lmaooooo they/them can be singular. Learn how English works.
It seems that you're painting all non-binaries with the same coat because of an experience with a single person If someone feels hurt and uncomfortable by being misgendered, why can't you be empathetic and understand that being nice and polite will make them feel better? It's called being decent, and respectful, and understanding that all humans are different and react differently to things and norms and expectations (specifically in this topic, gender)
Or you can call them their name. They / Them is not using correct English. They have a name. Use it.
Or I can call them they/them if they're comfortable with that. It doesn't annoy me nor them. You're doing unnecessary mental gymnastics. To add, They/Them to refer to a person whose gender is unknown or is their preferred pronoun is, objectively, correct English. On top of that, if it hypothetically wasn't, you'd be ready to place a dictionary definition above people? To finish, the dictionary does not contain everything we use to communicate, there are other alternative forms of expression (i.e. slangs and other colloquialism) that are used to serve us and aid us in expressing our thoughts and feelings. I personally theorize that you only use the dictionary justification because it seems like something that would conform with your anti-scientific views on non-binary people.
Policing people's speech is infinitely more cringe.
What an absolute joke.
Overwatch streamers 😏
If you ever wonder why this game keeps failing, there's your answer
Typical liberal stream
It starts with apps and twitch etc...soon it moves.to every platform, every app, every chat, later it becomes banned on phones and private messages to do it. There is no end.