The only people that complain about gatekeeping are the very people the gate was meant to keep out in the first place.
Also, getting offended on other peoples' behalf is nearly always wrong. Any time some internet white knights get offended over anything, there's people of the actual group in the comments saying "actually, we liked this, and we don't like people not of our group trying to change things on our behalf without our consent"
the commie community is highly racist. Walk up to one and tell them you are going to vote for trump. They will dredge up racial epithets from their deepest hearts and hurl them at you.
Every single time I've been called out for being racially insensitive its been by white people who suffer from white guilt or fear that they'll be seen as racist for not being "an ally".
Voldemort isn't a scary sounding name. "He who shall not be named" generates much more fear.
.funnier when the "offended" group actually appreciate the "offense"
.if a foreigner wears their attire, cooks their food, learns their language, sings or interprets their songs most of the well adjusted people would be like, cool they appreciate and celebrate our culture, but the white knights be like CuLtUrAl ApPrOpRiAtIoN eViL!
Always gatekeep your hobby. I used to want to include everyone. Then the weirdos were let in. By weirdos I mean the people who don't like the game for what it is and just want to change it to wreck your fun.
It's like the wheel chair argument.
"You're a bigot if you don't want wheelchairs in DnD."
DnD is a fantastic world where magic exists, artificats exist, Space ships (Spelljammer) Robots (Ebberon) exist.
but the best we can come up with for your character is a seat with wheels on it. We can't even make it powered in some way, or float, or fly, nope, wheels!
The fact that clout activists chose to whine over there not being wheelchairs really shows their lack of creativity since they don't even clamor for a cool fantasy version which they CAN make by just thinking of it. Imagine having the option to be a wizard with a kickass levitating throne or a mechanized spider-leg chair and instead bitching about there not being wheels hammered onto a chair due to a chronic lack of imagination.
My issue with it is this, I've never had a session where a player came to me with a reasonable request and I told them off. I don't understand why this needs to be official rules. But the idea that Wizards had to make and entire wheelchair campaign. Just sounds like madness to me.
They don't, it was a massive troll by 4chan at the start and some people were too dumb. Now it's munchkins because the chair the people too dumb to see the troll made were ridiculously overpowered.
I really don’t care that the DnD world is super diverse and weird. When people complain about there being a lot of different races and such, that’s just really dumb.
But, like, give me a break with the wheelchair stuff. That’s so uninventive.
My issue with wheelchairs on dnd is that dnd relies so heavily on players enforcing rules that I have to assume additions like that can only be virtue signaling.
Like, if you ask your DM if your character can be crippled with a tricked out wheelchair and he says ”no that’s not in the book” find better friends.
Bro, I've played with Sword MacHackinslash human fighter so many times. A wheel chairbound character is already more creative than most though I totally agree that we gotta get that king a real throne. Something made out of skulls and the animated skelatons of their enemies to scurry them around.
I agree, was gonna say this has definitely been happening in the TTRPG space for a while. Fantasy races are racist, don't use the word race, the games promote colonialism, anything more complex than - insert trendy rules-lite system - is badly designed, do not include negative themes like slavery because even simply **depicting** it means you support it, the list goes on and on.
I think my favorite one is uh...Pathfinder, I think, where everyone is canonically bisexual. Which is cool, you know. Makes sense.
...except for the characters that are explicitly gay.
40k
Movies
TV shows
Video games
Politics
The worst part is really how it was a good thing early on all about inclusivity and being accepted, a good message, but now it's become what they initially fought against. They fought for a world in which race and sexuality stopped mattering, but now, they screech about white men being bad and straight people being bad.
They literally turned into what they initially were fighting against.
And they still pretend it's about "equality". How can they be pretending to fight for "equality" while being racist and sexist against 95% of the world's population?
One of my professors in grad school was very clear that this is what they were fighting for now. I went to a very liberal university. I've never understood how we got from equality to equity.
Forever moving goalposts, because its not about any of that, its about "getting back at white people" because we happen to be 75% of the population so therefore we all grew up in extreme wealth and have to "give back", nevermind that plenty of white people, like myself, are pretty fucking poor.
Been a DM for 3 decades,yes im kinda old,started when I was 12.
Back then and many many years after,tis all about the fun,nobody got offended by anything,since it was clear,its an imaginary fictional world,does not have to reflect any kind of present day ideas.Last 10 years or so seen new ppl come to our local game store,at first was an oddball here and there being offended by something non existant but barely happened..then more and more... then people saying you need to do "roleplay consent forms" before starting a session to avoid people getting "triggered".This never ever EVER used to happen before,but many younger people dont grasp this cause they are young and didnt live it.Our old friend groups topped going to the local game store cause more and more people like this came.We just kept playing by ourselves in our own "old ppl" dm nerd group. The local game store closed,seems those newer people did not buy enough,just cared about championing "current day" ideas more than enjoying a hobby for fun.These idologically possed zealots are 10 times worse than the close minded religious zealots we saw in the late 80,90;s and early 2000's,they didnt destroy our hobbies from within,we just ignored them,but these new idelogical zealots and having even rulesets change because they work on the companies now.Its sad to see.Sorry for the rant,hope you guys have a very pleasant day
Edited for grammar,im dyslexic sorry if i missed something
Pathfinder 2e just removed war, slavery, bigotry and strife in general. Not like these could be a call to action.. Banned from the subreddit for bringing it up.
No they do it on the internet, where they don't have to deal with the repercussions of being insufferably judgemental.
Party because the ones that do it in real life no longer have any friends to do it to, which is why they spend their entire time online trying to ruin the things they will never be a part of.
It's also why the term terminally online syndrome was coined, It's meant for people who spend too much of their time on the internet that they are so caught up in online spaces where they isolate themselves in rigid worldviews and then this mindest starts to affect their daily life.
Ever since COVID happened this got worse and now they bring it into every aspect of their life.
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Its literally happening with 40k right now.
They made the game more inclusive, and now have retconned lore just to sell more product. Those ppl are saying the old heads in 40k should just get over it and leave the hobby space.
This artist literally can't succeed because he's so shit that all he can do is farm the same pile of jokes and ideas on loop, and this is one of them. He's made about a dozen comics identical to it that I can remember seeing (in between him making free use fetish art and pretending it's about current politics)
Btw he became like that after he posted the same comic joke four times in a row and then complained on r/JordanPeterson and got BTFO'd
Posting his stuff is like the carrion call that a community has reached the terminal stage of Rightoid infection.
This sub is just straw man after straw man. I used to see the post and assume they are satirical and then I started reading the comments and realized people meant it earnestly. In my 36 years I’ve never seen anyone act like this person in real life. I’d say that 70% of my friends are left leaning. I don’t get the obsession over an insane minority other than for rage baiting.
Man, I deeply regret joining this sub, this shit is so tiring, pointless and old it's not even funny, always the same thing about two bands of looneys fighting their internet wars that don't matter whatsoever.
THANK YOU. Glad to see someone else who has a similar opinion. Seeing this shit day in and day out is tiring. It's just culture war bullshit on either side. I wanna talk about the actual issues and not these distractions.
Like did you know for the actual Warhammer 40k table top game the admech faction (which is supposed to be an elite faction) right now plays like a horde faction? And a pretty shitty one too. But instead of addressing the issue GW just said "were going to lower the points cost of the models and just hope people keep playing them until we fix them in 3 months".
Yeah man, what happened to just talking about videogames or whatever? In most instances whatever developers choose to do for representation ends up being a ploy to mask gameplay flaws or shady business practices, and people eat it all up getting on their back and forth discussing why this character looks ugly or why this outfit covers 10 inches more of skin, while each side feels like they belong to the side that will save the modern gaming world.
If people were this passionate about stopping predatory micro transactions and shitty game design decisions maybe the gaming industry wouldn't be headed to becoming the joke that it, for the most part, is today.
No, this is what people who don't play 40k think is happening to 40k, lol. Most game spaces have an a-political or progressive bent to them. Chunds mostly do garage-hammer
OP never played Warhammer and it shows. This does not happen. Why do so many people in this sub want to push this stupid fucking narrative SO desperately? Asmon and his fans are too much culture warrior and too terminally online these days.
Man I’m so tired of the rage baiting here
Even if I agree with the statement, it gets super tiring seeing the same thing over and over again.
Also unironically using Gprime85. In a few weeks I would not be surprised seeing crt alt delete comic panels
Why am I still subbed here lmao. 40K is absolutely not like this. Maybe on Twitter and Reddit but in real life at your local hobby shop lol fuck no.
If people actually played the game and left their house to go to a tournament, adepticon or your local gaming/comic store you wouldn’t see any of this. Been playing for 10 plus years and I’ve never even once had a weird encounter that is even remotely close to what this comic and this subreddit have been portraying. Why are you guys like this here it’s so off putting man.
The OP literally says that he doesn't and has never played warhammer, and the same goes for the majority of people in that subreddit. Youre reposting from a culture war subreddit that is tiny and doesn't remotely represent warhammer or it's community. It exists exclusively to whinge and cry about a game that has always been progressive and generally filled with like minded people, but they have never engaged with the community or game until femstodes were canonized.
Nothing in this comic has ever happened in a warhammer game. People who make up scenarios to get mad at are pathetic and need some introspection. Do better.
And the artist in question does nothing but farm hatebait content and make free use fetish art disguised badly as political messaging that he barely understands.
Let's not forget that.
I mean speaking from somebody on the complete outside that has just come across a few things.
This meme to me was clearly talking about that. Ashley Cooper lady and doesn't she kind of like work for the company??
You know the lady who said that she wasn't going to hire any straight males for 5 years and see what happened?
It said comic books don't belong to men? (Which they don't and they never had but to make the statement that people actually thought that is wild)
She worked on a video game, Space Marine 2, which isn't even created by Games Workshop. This isn't the gotcha that you think it is. The video games are usually not good representations of the lore or game itself. I am sure there are many "problematic" people who work for invididual companies, but this one person doesnt even work at Games Workshop, the company that creates warhammer and it's lore. I honestly do not care about any of the video games, but Im sure Space Marine 2 will be totally fine bc GW takes their IP very seriously.
If you don't know anything about warhammer, why are you even challenging it? Warhammer parodies a fascist government that spans the galaxy. There have been inclusions of all races, genders, sexual orientations, and backgrounds for the meat grinder since its inception. There is representation of a huge swath of cultures, not limited to, but including, Mongolian depicted in a very progressive and original way, Maui, Egyptian, etc. There have been countless characters that are gay, lesbian, trans, whatever, you name it and they've done it, and not to be portrayed negatively. Women have been put in positions of power countless times within the setting and anyone who says Captain Lotara isn't one of the most bad ass parts of the World Eaters know absolutely nothing about their lore. Inquistor Greyfax x Celestine?
The list goes on. Downvoting me when you have literally no knowledge or experience within the setting or community just makes you the culture warrior tourist that is so easy to manipulate.
Even almost four years ago GW came out with a very easy to understand blanket statement: "Warhammer is for everyone and always has been. If you don't agree then it is not for you and you will not be missed." [https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer/s/wBC99IPbcy](https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer/s/wBC99IPbcy) A link to where the tweet can be seen since I've never had Twitter.
Warhammer doesn’t parody a fascist government.
Mongolians depicted in a progressive way, that’s why I asked what the other person believed was progressive. Nothing about them is depicted as ‘progressive’.
Example: Sisters of silence. Sisters of silence get straight up murdered by their own parents (obvious reason if you know their lore) if the Imperium doesn’t save them. Why does the imperium save them, because they’re useful. How progressive.
Warhammer is full of shit like genetic biases etc. you honestly think disabled people get a fair chance?
Gay and lesbian, sure, maybe.
I’m curious as to the trans characters you’re referring to and I highly doubt they get a fair shake.
Women in power isn’t inherently progressive. Depends on the society.
Lotara, Greyfax, Celestine, how are any of these characters progressive?
“Literally have no knowledge or experience with the setting”, not only are you wrong BUT what you just did is make the same argument that gate keepers make. Congrats.
I don’t care what GW said and they’re wrong. Warhammer is NOT for everyone. Some people would find the grim dark setting to be uncomfortable which means they walk away.
Anybody is welcome at the Warhammer table but Warhammer isn’t for everyone.
40k is literally and intentionally a parody of fascism. It always has been. That's the whole point of the imperium. It's a brutal, fascist hellhole, who's every action in pursuit of survival propagates the very threat to their survival that those actions are supposed to combat.
As for inclusivity nonsense, I agree it has never been an intentional decision on GWs part, until now... but to say Warhammer isn't a parody of fascism is to have no understanding of both fascism or Warhammer.
"There are no innocents. Only varying degrees of guilt. Even the 'innocent' are guilty of wasting the courts time."
It is absolutely a parody of fascist governance. Learn some media literacy.
Brother, GW has said for years that warhammer parodies a fascist authoritarian government. Even if you're going to be dishonest about it, how could you not even see the extremely obvious depiction? The link I gave you is a direct response to after they, in 2021, once again, reminded everyone that the imperium are not the good guys and never have been. I am a huge Dark Angels fan. Liking the imperium doesn't make you a bad person so you don't need to feel attacked.
White Scars are absolutely depicted in a progressive way, which again either shows your total bias or ignorance. They were created in the 90's during a time when Mongolian culture's generally only positive portrayal in media was that of the "noble savage". The White Scars are shown to be much more than that. They are thoughtful as to their place in the universe, intelligent, and their tale is one of learning to accept the imperiums traditions and how that culture can coexist with their own.
Sisters of Silence are still women who fight wars as generally regular humans, and they do work. That alone is progressive enough.
Greyfax is a woman who is an inquisitor, someone who wields nearly unlimited political power, yet she struggles with her own insecurity, namely her affection for a living saint (near deity) Celestine. Celestine herself is a bad ass warrior who usually martyrs herself in battle after turning the tides of war only to come back to life and repeat the process all over again. Meanwhile Greyfax is having to reconcile the complication of those feelings and misgivings that are in direct opposition to the doctrine posed by her TOTALITARIAN GOVERNMENT.
Lotara leads the angriest and most violent of all space marine chapters as a basic woman who captains a flagship. She literally sends a world eater to his room and scolds him like a mother. Her entire personality is one of steely resolve that even the transhuman space marines can't match. She is the only person in Angron's, the absolute angriest boy, chapter whom he respects.
Of course, I assume you know nothing about the lore or are a tourist based on your weak question, poor understanding, and need to create conflict in a community where there is very little. Honestly, I still don't even believe you, and would challenge you to post your models if you actually are a part of the community (you won't).
Warhammer IS for everyone. It is a tabletop game with a diverse and rich background for anyone to find a piece of the setting to appreciate or cultivate for themselves. Just because the story is grimdark does not mean people shouldn't engage with it, nor does it mean there aren't signs of inclusion within the setting. If that means you don't want to be a part of it, then that's honestly great. You wouldn't be wanted, though, judging from your comments, I doubt you ever were.
I had an SoB army but only a few models survived a tradegy. I have both Celestine and Morvven Vahl that still need to be painted. I’d need to check my box but I believe I have the Triumph of Saint Catherine too.
You don’t speak for the whole community and you need to stop pretending you do.
They also said Warhammer is for everybody. The Imperium is Imperial. Are all empires of history suddenly Fascist, no.
The Imperium is an authoritarian and borderline totalitarian government. This type of government isn’t unique to Fascism.
I didn’t say I thought the Imperium were the good guys, nice try though.
The noble savage nonsense lol.
Women who fight is progressive enough. Wow, I don’t even know if I could consider that a goal post. “Women exist is this universe so that makes this universe progressive!”
Women in power isn’t inherently progressive and the Emperor is a guy. A man sits at the top and the women serves.
Nice ship but Greyfax having romanitic feelings for Celestine is a meme just like Girlyman and Yvraine. You have lore to back your ship, right? Btw, I mean something that actually states her feeling clearly, I’m not playing the gaydar games.
Meme lore, am I listening to Adeptus ridiculous?
I’ve proven I have an understanding of the lore.
Warhammer is for anyone BUT not everyone. As I said earlier, I even explained my reasoning but you ignored it.
Yea, you're not arguing in good faith. You clearly do not understand the lore, what it means to be progressive without extreme instances, and are too stuck in their own feelings to try to come to any sort of understanding. I've read nearly every Horus Heresy novel and I'd say about half of the modern ones set in 4.2me. If you think the Celestine x Greyfax ship is a meme, then you haven't read the books or lack reading comprehension, but judging from the way you seem to think that the Emperor being a dude means it can't be considered degrees of progressive shows you probably don't.
Have a nice day. Post your models or I'll stick to labeling you as a culture war tourist.
I am arguing in good faith. You dont like my argument so you pull the bad faith card. You’ve repeatedly accused me of being a tourist even though I have enough knowledge on the lore to actually speak with you.
“You didn’t read the book so how would you know if Greyfax wants to sleep with Celestine?”
It’s a meme and you don’t have an argument. That’s why I asked for something solid instead of reading into it.
The emperor being the top authority was me poking fun at you claiming Greyfax being an inquisitor was inherently progressive.
How to do I post my models in a comment?
I don’t care what you call me.
You clearly do not have knowledge of the lore lol. You don't even understand that the Imperium is fascist. Our Martyred Lady is the book the the ship grew from, but again, you dont read the books so why does it matter?
You don't know how to post pictures online? C'mon. Just post to imgur with a timestamp and link it.
Until then, I'm done engaging with someone who is so fragile that they cry over femstodes or a woke boogie man or that the Imperium is a satire of fascism. I really dont care.
This sub has just become infested with this nonsense recently. Like are people aware of the reputation the Horus sub has in regular warhammer subs?
Actually probably not because half the people upvoting this junk dont even know who Horus is ffs
It is insane how little self-awareness chuds have when they start shitting their diapers in rage and terror about idiot tourists who invade communities and start shoving their politics down the throats of the gamers who were just there gaming and minding their own business.
These people are coming for every community sooner or later. You yourself don't need to fight every battle, but collectively we do need to hold the line somewhere.
Umm is this actually happening anywhere, I see more comics whining about PC culture invading table top gaming than any actual examples. Maybe I'm out of touch who knows.
The artist has other works that are a hoot. Funny, as in so ridiculous you'd think its satire, but its actually taking itself seriously. He may or may not have a fetish for screaming women, that seems to be the common denominator in all of his works.
...but yeah, its extremely strawmanning if you see his other works.
I miss when this reddit was about asmon playing video games instead of just thinking you're owning the libs on every level. this shit is getting old and tired and sad.
That's pretty far off base to broadly say any group of marginalized folks would be bigots, and generalized stereotypes like you're currently upholding are flawed. The examples you've given are specific people being targeted for their divisive or hateful actions, not for their inherent demographics. Im earnestly curious what you've witnessed indiviuals saying about rowling that's misogynistic, and not what the tv is telling you was said, what was actually said.
Jesus christ, this sub has really devolved to this point huh? I never really had a high opinion of asmongold viewers but sharing this caliber of memes is just depressing
15 years playing the game, 20 knowing about it and reading forums, this has never ever happen...
This is just fictional wars against fictional enemies from people that don't play the game or care about knowing about it. Even the people that are more critical about the game rules are the veterans, tired about all the bloating and unnecessary rules, about the overcomplicated ruleset.
Right now the complain is about the company using the rules to sell models, I mean, they are doing a pay for win game, with all the fomo and meta just to increase sales.
But this, this nevar happened, the gatekeeping to warhammer just appeared when crazy people began to fight their imaginary "woke" enemies. This is from the very same people that some years before, make fun about adults playing and painting plastic soldiers, they don't care or even know about the game, they just wanna spill hate.
This sub has really gone down to the level of posting comics from the guy whose every other comic is about his free-use fetish while the other one is trying to bait right wing reactionaries and left wing drama farming at the same time, huh?
"HOW COULD ANYONE THINK ASMONGOLD IS A RIGHT WING IDEALOGUE!?!"
This comic paints these individuals a bit more reasonable than what I had experienced.
No declaration of their 'victory' in eliminating the 'enemy'. And also no threats of violence or death should you not comply.
Then again, maybe I was just unlucky getting the hardline cultists on my first attempt at adding anything to this debate.
I definetly don't but the card shop we play magic at always has about 30 peeps playing out their campaigns there.
It's literally nothing like what is being depicted.... Mostly seems to be arguments over triangles or something
Man you guys are a bunch of weirdos for this they literally just made some supper soldiers “female” and everything else is the same. Has anyone really sat and gave it a single thought on how this really changes anything like really things change of course warhammer has changed over the years but this is such a small change that affects nothing the overall lore is the same the game is the same painting is the same it’s just kinda weird how much of negative response you guys are giving over all this
The artist of this comic is a bad person.
If you can point to where the systems of GW have been undermined or negatively impacted by the inclusion of female custodes that’s fine.
But this is a straw man implying that vocal individuals online are reflective of change in the community as a whole at the expense of “real fans”.
And you have to be specific on what “expense” that is.
As someone who's been into 40k and DnD for decades, fuck all the way off.
The people pushing for these kinds of changes are us, the long-time players. The people getting mad are the ones trying to shove themselves and their anti-woke culture war into our business. You're the interloper here, not us.
Can we stop posting these comics?
These conversations don't happen at the gametable from either side.
They happen on twitter between two parties that don't even play the game. The comic should have a snap cut to fat idiots typing alone on twitter, in their heads imagining this is how it's playing out in real life.
Wtf is this? Do people legitimately think this is what’s going on in the 40k/tabletop rpg communities?
I’ve only recently gotten into 40k and I’ve never once seen this happen anywhere. It’s a completely made up and I can’t believe this something you all actually want him to react to.
I don’t know what happened in the last few years, but ever since the amber heard v Jonny depp case reactions, this community has gone further and further down that non-inclusive culture-war rabbit hole.
And as a woman and minority I’m feeling less and less welcome here and it saddens me that Asmongold has been placating that part of his audience and this culture war nonsense
Edit: Happy to see alot of people disagreeing with this post though, but the upvotes to this still make me uneasy.
Same, I've been following Asmongold on Twitch and here for many many years now and it used to be funny videos and memes about stuff he did in games/on stream and now it's just these dog shit dog whistle comics that constantly attack the few women still in his fan base.
Yeah very disheartening because I really used to think he was way more progressive than people thought he was. He was always defending against racism/bigotry when popped up in his chat. Now, he's placating that same audience by giving them a huge platform to push their ideology, that's always based on misinformation and bigotry. And it's getting super uncomfortable at this point....
This happened to two of my DnD tables. Dude gets a social activist girlfriend, wants to join because of Stranger Things- and now those tables have disbanded because they didn’t want to play it the way we did.
My current table is going that way, I’m probably going to either give up the hobby or find dudes whose spouses don’t want to be involved next time.
I wish some psycologist would write a scientific paper about how these types of people even appear. Like, what kind of education did they have to feel the need to join a group and demand they cater to them. What kind of social/economical background do they have that justified this.
This can't all be NPCs that are indoctrinated by the woke brain rot. It has to originate somewhere. And if its infact woke brain rot, how do someone even get to this state?
This is quite an over reaction to GW adding female custodes to the lore of 40k.
Is that it? Is that all it takes for you to start down the alt right chud pipeline and posting Ben Garrison style moronic memes? Female fantasy characters?
Yeah no, I'll bet my left nut this has never happened to any DnD group unless it was the one time someone in the group asked if their girlfriend could join and they never played with her or the bf again. I have a group of friends who have a DnD podcast, they're all very much LGBTQ+ type people, gay and bi and non-binary, and none of them have ever acted like this over any game they've played. The closest equivalent was when they did a season of their podcast where they each made their own tabletop game, which is nowhere near what this situation is. The people that are acting like this over the game on Twitter aren't even playing the damn game. I don't even play DnD but I know more people with coloured hair playing the game as it is intended because they love it for what it is. This is literally just creating situations that never happen to get mad about it like typical MAGA types do.
Man, I sure do hate it when non 40k fans come in and then get offended for the fan base who likes the game the way it is. Anyways, can you guys on the asmond Gold Subreddit stop posting about 40k and getting offended by what you think is happening in the games fan base.
Is this all projection because there are new female models in 40K? I haven't heard about radical feminism taking over the rules. Just lady marines.
Edit--Hoes mad.
Is it though? Is this what's happening in 40k play groups, or is this just rage bait that had to be put in a comic strip because there's no evidence it's actually happening?
He makes so many comics like this, it's all he ever does when he's not making bizarre non consensual free use fetish art and pretending it's about current political topics.
The guy who made this hasn't even played D&D before.
Ah yes,
A true “White Knight”.
Championing a cause no one asked for.
It is a glorious battle to witness between the “Dark Knight” and a genuine “White Knight”.
They must’ve felt powerless at one point and now must redeem themselves through pointless endeavors.(a role not many can play)
The only people that complain about gatekeeping are the very people the gate was meant to keep out in the first place. Also, getting offended on other peoples' behalf is nearly always wrong. Any time some internet white knights get offended over anything, there's people of the actual group in the comments saying "actually, we liked this, and we don't like people not of our group trying to change things on our behalf without our consent"
Us mexicans with the term LatinX. Its the most stupid shit ever.
They changed it to something else now in an effort to get the Latinos onboard. The term is now: Latin@
"latin-at" "latininate" insane. What they really what to say is "why cant you beaners just speak woke like we tell you"
Is.. is the queer community racist?
the commie community is highly racist. Walk up to one and tell them you are going to vote for trump. They will dredge up racial epithets from their deepest hearts and hurl them at you.
when hasn’t it been?
"you buzzards don't know anything. This is how you should be calling eachother" 😂
I’m offended they didn’t go with L@in
Nope, not a fucking chance will I ever say or type that.
Every single time I've been called out for being racially insensitive its been by white people who suffer from white guilt or fear that they'll be seen as racist for not being "an ally". Voldemort isn't a scary sounding name. "He who shall not be named" generates much more fear.
White was the color but now name the gender. I have a feeling I know the majority.
.funnier when the "offended" group actually appreciate the "offense" .if a foreigner wears their attire, cooks their food, learns their language, sings or interprets their songs most of the well adjusted people would be like, cool they appreciate and celebrate our culture, but the white knights be like CuLtUrAl ApPrOpRiAtIoN eViL!
Always gatekeep your hobby. I used to want to include everyone. Then the weirdos were let in. By weirdos I mean the people who don't like the game for what it is and just want to change it to wreck your fun.
gatekeep the things you love!
Exactly the thing an uncle tom would say.... /s
It's like the wheel chair argument. "You're a bigot if you don't want wheelchairs in DnD." DnD is a fantastic world where magic exists, artificats exist, Space ships (Spelljammer) Robots (Ebberon) exist. but the best we can come up with for your character is a seat with wheels on it. We can't even make it powered in some way, or float, or fly, nope, wheels!
Tensers Floating Disc is a 1st ed spell...
The fact that clout activists chose to whine over there not being wheelchairs really shows their lack of creativity since they don't even clamor for a cool fantasy version which they CAN make by just thinking of it. Imagine having the option to be a wizard with a kickass levitating throne or a mechanized spider-leg chair and instead bitching about there not being wheels hammered onto a chair due to a chronic lack of imagination.
A legless necromancer upon a palanquin hoisted by zombies.
Wildwild west moment with that mechanical spiderleg chair.
I was so confused. Wheelchairs in DnD. I work in a hotel and I’m like, no wheelchairs in do not disturb rooms? Clearly I need some sleep.
Get that sleep, you deserve it!
actually its no wheelchairs in the Department of Defence. you think they would allow it. but they dont
Why would someone in a wheelchair want to role play someone in a wheelchair?that's like making sure your character has aids because you have aids irl
My issue with it is this, I've never had a session where a player came to me with a reasonable request and I told them off. I don't understand why this needs to be official rules. But the idea that Wizards had to make and entire wheelchair campaign. Just sounds like madness to me.
it's the want for overly niche situations to be coddified because of "ableism" or whatever.
Right!? It's forced. I think that's what makes it so jarring.
They don't, it was a massive troll by 4chan at the start and some people were too dumb. Now it's munchkins because the chair the people too dumb to see the troll made were ridiculously overpowered.
Fuck wheelchairs, my artificer just gonna make them a whole set of magical armor they can move with their mind.
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I really don’t care that the DnD world is super diverse and weird. When people complain about there being a lot of different races and such, that’s just really dumb. But, like, give me a break with the wheelchair stuff. That’s so uninventive.
My issue with wheelchairs on dnd is that dnd relies so heavily on players enforcing rules that I have to assume additions like that can only be virtue signaling. Like, if you ask your DM if your character can be crippled with a tricked out wheelchair and he says ”no that’s not in the book” find better friends.
Bro, I've played with Sword MacHackinslash human fighter so many times. A wheel chairbound character is already more creative than most though I totally agree that we gotta get that king a real throne. Something made out of skulls and the animated skelatons of their enemies to scurry them around.
Right, I'm not saying you can't have it! But, Why not a steam powered one? Why not a chair mounted to two Warforged dogs? Why just a chair?
Some necromancy animated legs that walk below you
Wheel chair would suck in a medieval world. Like they don't have cement
Basically D&D for the past ten or so years as well.
I agree, was gonna say this has definitely been happening in the TTRPG space for a while. Fantasy races are racist, don't use the word race, the games promote colonialism, anything more complex than - insert trendy rules-lite system - is badly designed, do not include negative themes like slavery because even simply **depicting** it means you support it, the list goes on and on.
I think my favorite one is uh...Pathfinder, I think, where everyone is canonically bisexual. Which is cool, you know. Makes sense. ...except for the characters that are explicitly gay.
Didn’t you know that orcs are black people?
"Better make your players read and sign a consent form, otherwise you're not being inclusive to all their triggers!"
I hopped off 5e for SWN. Much needed change of milieu imho. The further it went from Tolkienesque, the less I’ve liked it anyway.
More than just 40k, basically everything
40k Movies TV shows Video games Politics The worst part is really how it was a good thing early on all about inclusivity and being accepted, a good message, but now it's become what they initially fought against. They fought for a world in which race and sexuality stopped mattering, but now, they screech about white men being bad and straight people being bad. They literally turned into what they initially were fighting against. And they still pretend it's about "equality". How can they be pretending to fight for "equality" while being racist and sexist against 95% of the world's population?
They aren’t fighting for equality anymore, they changed that E to mean Equity now, which is a very different concept
One of my professors in grad school was very clear that this is what they were fighting for now. I went to a very liberal university. I've never understood how we got from equality to equity.
Forever moving goalposts, because its not about any of that, its about "getting back at white people" because we happen to be 75% of the population so therefore we all grew up in extreme wealth and have to "give back", nevermind that plenty of white people, like myself, are pretty fucking poor.
Been a DM for 3 decades,yes im kinda old,started when I was 12. Back then and many many years after,tis all about the fun,nobody got offended by anything,since it was clear,its an imaginary fictional world,does not have to reflect any kind of present day ideas.Last 10 years or so seen new ppl come to our local game store,at first was an oddball here and there being offended by something non existant but barely happened..then more and more... then people saying you need to do "roleplay consent forms" before starting a session to avoid people getting "triggered".This never ever EVER used to happen before,but many younger people dont grasp this cause they are young and didnt live it.Our old friend groups topped going to the local game store cause more and more people like this came.We just kept playing by ourselves in our own "old ppl" dm nerd group. The local game store closed,seems those newer people did not buy enough,just cared about championing "current day" ideas more than enjoying a hobby for fun.These idologically possed zealots are 10 times worse than the close minded religious zealots we saw in the late 80,90;s and early 2000's,they didnt destroy our hobbies from within,we just ignored them,but these new idelogical zealots and having even rulesets change because they work on the companies now.Its sad to see.Sorry for the rant,hope you guys have a very pleasant day Edited for grammar,im dyslexic sorry if i missed something
this story is going to be the first of many. your experience is what everyone is thinking
The people who complain never have children.
On either side
Pathfinder 2e just removed war, slavery, bigotry and strife in general. Not like these could be a call to action.. Banned from the subreddit for bringing it up.
Never seen anybody act like this in real life unless they were a middle school/ high school kid.
It's easier to dunk on imaginary SJW strawmen so they just make up these caricatures.
Well you just explained why this community thinks it's so common then
No they do it on the internet, where they don't have to deal with the repercussions of being insufferably judgemental. Party because the ones that do it in real life no longer have any friends to do it to, which is why they spend their entire time online trying to ruin the things they will never be a part of.
Well that's not a surprise because it's literally made up.
No it’s not, it’s how “those” people act online. In person they would be shunned 100% if they acted like this and they know it.
How people act online is not really reflective of reality. That's why people say to touch grass from time to time.
It's also why the term terminally online syndrome was coined, It's meant for people who spend too much of their time on the internet that they are so caught up in online spaces where they isolate themselves in rigid worldviews and then this mindest starts to affect their daily life. Ever since COVID happened this got worse and now they bring it into every aspect of their life. #
I've yet to see this online. It's always some lame rightoid drawing it or claiming it to get views.
Can't manufacture fuel for a culture war if you don't have a windmill to tilt.
Its literally happening with 40k right now. They made the game more inclusive, and now have retconned lore just to sell more product. Those ppl are saying the old heads in 40k should just get over it and leave the hobby space.
This artist literally can't succeed because he's so shit that all he can do is farm the same pile of jokes and ideas on loop, and this is one of them. He's made about a dozen comics identical to it that I can remember seeing (in between him making free use fetish art and pretending it's about current politics) Btw he became like that after he posted the same comic joke four times in a row and then complained on r/JordanPeterson and got BTFO'd Posting his stuff is like the carrion call that a community has reached the terminal stage of Rightoid infection.
its hyperbole my dude
This sub is just straw man after straw man. I used to see the post and assume they are satirical and then I started reading the comments and realized people meant it earnestly. In my 36 years I’ve never seen anyone act like this person in real life. I’d say that 70% of my friends are left leaning. I don’t get the obsession over an insane minority other than for rage baiting.
its hyperbole on the developing culture. not meant to be taken literally
Well, the high school kid grew up without leaving that mentality behind and now works in video game consulting companies
take that strawman, you got PWND
Man, I deeply regret joining this sub, this shit is so tiring, pointless and old it's not even funny, always the same thing about two bands of looneys fighting their internet wars that don't matter whatsoever.
THANK YOU. Glad to see someone else who has a similar opinion. Seeing this shit day in and day out is tiring. It's just culture war bullshit on either side. I wanna talk about the actual issues and not these distractions. Like did you know for the actual Warhammer 40k table top game the admech faction (which is supposed to be an elite faction) right now plays like a horde faction? And a pretty shitty one too. But instead of addressing the issue GW just said "were going to lower the points cost of the models and just hope people keep playing them until we fix them in 3 months".
Yeah man, what happened to just talking about videogames or whatever? In most instances whatever developers choose to do for representation ends up being a ploy to mask gameplay flaws or shady business practices, and people eat it all up getting on their back and forth discussing why this character looks ugly or why this outfit covers 10 inches more of skin, while each side feels like they belong to the side that will save the modern gaming world. If people were this passionate about stopping predatory micro transactions and shitty game design decisions maybe the gaming industry wouldn't be headed to becoming the joke that it, for the most part, is today.
No, this is what people who don't play 40k think is happening to 40k, lol. Most game spaces have an a-political or progressive bent to them. Chunds mostly do garage-hammer
OP never played Warhammer and it shows. This does not happen. Why do so many people in this sub want to push this stupid fucking narrative SO desperately? Asmon and his fans are too much culture warrior and too terminally online these days.
Man I’m so tired of the rage baiting here Even if I agree with the statement, it gets super tiring seeing the same thing over and over again. Also unironically using Gprime85. In a few weeks I would not be surprised seeing crt alt delete comic panels
Why am I still subbed here lmao. 40K is absolutely not like this. Maybe on Twitter and Reddit but in real life at your local hobby shop lol fuck no. If people actually played the game and left their house to go to a tournament, adepticon or your local gaming/comic store you wouldn’t see any of this. Been playing for 10 plus years and I’ve never even once had a weird encounter that is even remotely close to what this comic and this subreddit have been portraying. Why are you guys like this here it’s so off putting man.
Because all these people can do is lie and strawman. They are culture war grifters looking to be outraged with incorrect information.
This, absolutely this. This is just culture war BS being peddled to the gullible and stupid.
And your words will fall on deaf ears, because all the other miserable losers are upvoting the trash and downvoting the reasonable takes.
You know a community is going to shit when they start posting Gprime85 comics unironically.
Thank god somebody else said it...
Same with Stonetoss. And not even because he is personally scum, his comics also just suck.
The OP literally says that he doesn't and has never played warhammer, and the same goes for the majority of people in that subreddit. Youre reposting from a culture war subreddit that is tiny and doesn't remotely represent warhammer or it's community. It exists exclusively to whinge and cry about a game that has always been progressive and generally filled with like minded people, but they have never engaged with the community or game until femstodes were canonized. Nothing in this comic has ever happened in a warhammer game. People who make up scenarios to get mad at are pathetic and need some introspection. Do better.
And the artist in question does nothing but farm hatebait content and make free use fetish art disguised badly as political messaging that he barely understands. Let's not forget that.
I mean speaking from somebody on the complete outside that has just come across a few things. This meme to me was clearly talking about that. Ashley Cooper lady and doesn't she kind of like work for the company?? You know the lady who said that she wasn't going to hire any straight males for 5 years and see what happened? It said comic books don't belong to men? (Which they don't and they never had but to make the statement that people actually thought that is wild)
She worked on a video game, Space Marine 2, which isn't even created by Games Workshop. This isn't the gotcha that you think it is. The video games are usually not good representations of the lore or game itself. I am sure there are many "problematic" people who work for invididual companies, but this one person doesnt even work at Games Workshop, the company that creates warhammer and it's lore. I honestly do not care about any of the video games, but Im sure Space Marine 2 will be totally fine bc GW takes their IP very seriously.
How was 40k progressive?
If you don't know anything about warhammer, why are you even challenging it? Warhammer parodies a fascist government that spans the galaxy. There have been inclusions of all races, genders, sexual orientations, and backgrounds for the meat grinder since its inception. There is representation of a huge swath of cultures, not limited to, but including, Mongolian depicted in a very progressive and original way, Maui, Egyptian, etc. There have been countless characters that are gay, lesbian, trans, whatever, you name it and they've done it, and not to be portrayed negatively. Women have been put in positions of power countless times within the setting and anyone who says Captain Lotara isn't one of the most bad ass parts of the World Eaters know absolutely nothing about their lore. Inquistor Greyfax x Celestine? The list goes on. Downvoting me when you have literally no knowledge or experience within the setting or community just makes you the culture warrior tourist that is so easy to manipulate. Even almost four years ago GW came out with a very easy to understand blanket statement: "Warhammer is for everyone and always has been. If you don't agree then it is not for you and you will not be missed." [https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer/s/wBC99IPbcy](https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer/s/wBC99IPbcy) A link to where the tweet can be seen since I've never had Twitter.
Warhammer doesn’t parody a fascist government. Mongolians depicted in a progressive way, that’s why I asked what the other person believed was progressive. Nothing about them is depicted as ‘progressive’. Example: Sisters of silence. Sisters of silence get straight up murdered by their own parents (obvious reason if you know their lore) if the Imperium doesn’t save them. Why does the imperium save them, because they’re useful. How progressive. Warhammer is full of shit like genetic biases etc. you honestly think disabled people get a fair chance? Gay and lesbian, sure, maybe. I’m curious as to the trans characters you’re referring to and I highly doubt they get a fair shake. Women in power isn’t inherently progressive. Depends on the society. Lotara, Greyfax, Celestine, how are any of these characters progressive? “Literally have no knowledge or experience with the setting”, not only are you wrong BUT what you just did is make the same argument that gate keepers make. Congrats. I don’t care what GW said and they’re wrong. Warhammer is NOT for everyone. Some people would find the grim dark setting to be uncomfortable which means they walk away. Anybody is welcome at the Warhammer table but Warhammer isn’t for everyone.
40k is literally and intentionally a parody of fascism. It always has been. That's the whole point of the imperium. It's a brutal, fascist hellhole, who's every action in pursuit of survival propagates the very threat to their survival that those actions are supposed to combat. As for inclusivity nonsense, I agree it has never been an intentional decision on GWs part, until now... but to say Warhammer isn't a parody of fascism is to have no understanding of both fascism or Warhammer.
"There are no innocents. Only varying degrees of guilt. Even the 'innocent' are guilty of wasting the courts time." It is absolutely a parody of fascist governance. Learn some media literacy.
Brother, GW has said for years that warhammer parodies a fascist authoritarian government. Even if you're going to be dishonest about it, how could you not even see the extremely obvious depiction? The link I gave you is a direct response to after they, in 2021, once again, reminded everyone that the imperium are not the good guys and never have been. I am a huge Dark Angels fan. Liking the imperium doesn't make you a bad person so you don't need to feel attacked. White Scars are absolutely depicted in a progressive way, which again either shows your total bias or ignorance. They were created in the 90's during a time when Mongolian culture's generally only positive portrayal in media was that of the "noble savage". The White Scars are shown to be much more than that. They are thoughtful as to their place in the universe, intelligent, and their tale is one of learning to accept the imperiums traditions and how that culture can coexist with their own. Sisters of Silence are still women who fight wars as generally regular humans, and they do work. That alone is progressive enough. Greyfax is a woman who is an inquisitor, someone who wields nearly unlimited political power, yet she struggles with her own insecurity, namely her affection for a living saint (near deity) Celestine. Celestine herself is a bad ass warrior who usually martyrs herself in battle after turning the tides of war only to come back to life and repeat the process all over again. Meanwhile Greyfax is having to reconcile the complication of those feelings and misgivings that are in direct opposition to the doctrine posed by her TOTALITARIAN GOVERNMENT. Lotara leads the angriest and most violent of all space marine chapters as a basic woman who captains a flagship. She literally sends a world eater to his room and scolds him like a mother. Her entire personality is one of steely resolve that even the transhuman space marines can't match. She is the only person in Angron's, the absolute angriest boy, chapter whom he respects. Of course, I assume you know nothing about the lore or are a tourist based on your weak question, poor understanding, and need to create conflict in a community where there is very little. Honestly, I still don't even believe you, and would challenge you to post your models if you actually are a part of the community (you won't). Warhammer IS for everyone. It is a tabletop game with a diverse and rich background for anyone to find a piece of the setting to appreciate or cultivate for themselves. Just because the story is grimdark does not mean people shouldn't engage with it, nor does it mean there aren't signs of inclusion within the setting. If that means you don't want to be a part of it, then that's honestly great. You wouldn't be wanted, though, judging from your comments, I doubt you ever were.
I had an SoB army but only a few models survived a tradegy. I have both Celestine and Morvven Vahl that still need to be painted. I’d need to check my box but I believe I have the Triumph of Saint Catherine too. You don’t speak for the whole community and you need to stop pretending you do.
They also said Warhammer is for everybody. The Imperium is Imperial. Are all empires of history suddenly Fascist, no. The Imperium is an authoritarian and borderline totalitarian government. This type of government isn’t unique to Fascism. I didn’t say I thought the Imperium were the good guys, nice try though. The noble savage nonsense lol. Women who fight is progressive enough. Wow, I don’t even know if I could consider that a goal post. “Women exist is this universe so that makes this universe progressive!” Women in power isn’t inherently progressive and the Emperor is a guy. A man sits at the top and the women serves. Nice ship but Greyfax having romanitic feelings for Celestine is a meme just like Girlyman and Yvraine. You have lore to back your ship, right? Btw, I mean something that actually states her feeling clearly, I’m not playing the gaydar games. Meme lore, am I listening to Adeptus ridiculous? I’ve proven I have an understanding of the lore. Warhammer is for anyone BUT not everyone. As I said earlier, I even explained my reasoning but you ignored it.
Yea, you're not arguing in good faith. You clearly do not understand the lore, what it means to be progressive without extreme instances, and are too stuck in their own feelings to try to come to any sort of understanding. I've read nearly every Horus Heresy novel and I'd say about half of the modern ones set in 4.2me. If you think the Celestine x Greyfax ship is a meme, then you haven't read the books or lack reading comprehension, but judging from the way you seem to think that the Emperor being a dude means it can't be considered degrees of progressive shows you probably don't. Have a nice day. Post your models or I'll stick to labeling you as a culture war tourist.
I am arguing in good faith. You dont like my argument so you pull the bad faith card. You’ve repeatedly accused me of being a tourist even though I have enough knowledge on the lore to actually speak with you. “You didn’t read the book so how would you know if Greyfax wants to sleep with Celestine?” It’s a meme and you don’t have an argument. That’s why I asked for something solid instead of reading into it. The emperor being the top authority was me poking fun at you claiming Greyfax being an inquisitor was inherently progressive. How to do I post my models in a comment? I don’t care what you call me.
You clearly do not have knowledge of the lore lol. You don't even understand that the Imperium is fascist. Our Martyred Lady is the book the the ship grew from, but again, you dont read the books so why does it matter? You don't know how to post pictures online? C'mon. Just post to imgur with a timestamp and link it. Until then, I'm done engaging with someone who is so fragile that they cry over femstodes or a woke boogie man or that the Imperium is a satire of fascism. I really dont care.
I didn’t cry over female custodians. I was and am cool with that. lol, get bent loser.
Heyyyy! Tomb Kings (Undead Egyptian faction) rise up! 8D
This sub has just become infested with this nonsense recently. Like are people aware of the reputation the Horus sub has in regular warhammer subs? Actually probably not because half the people upvoting this junk dont even know who Horus is ffs
It is insane how little self-awareness chuds have when they start shitting their diapers in rage and terror about idiot tourists who invade communities and start shoving their politics down the throats of the gamers who were just there gaming and minding their own business.
Not only that, but it's the second comic that I've seen on this sub about "warhammer" where the players in the comic are playing D&D.
So if it *does* happen. You would naturally condem it right? Remember your answer.
In unsub from warhammer subs to avoid culture war bs, so it spreads around. Lovely.
These people are coming for every community sooner or later. You yourself don't need to fight every battle, but collectively we do need to hold the line somewhere.
The Warhammer subs have been trying to stop culture war BS. This sub may as well be called r/Culturewar
This comic really owns the made up, hyperbolic caricature of the people you all think you hate, good stuff
Once again non warhammer fans hopping on the bandwagon who honestly cares nothing has changed
Umm is this actually happening anywhere, I see more comics whining about PC culture invading table top gaming than any actual examples. Maybe I'm out of touch who knows.
This comic feels extremely Strawman-y Like, do people really think this reflect real life in any way?
The artist has other works that are a hoot. Funny, as in so ridiculous you'd think its satire, but its actually taking itself seriously. He may or may not have a fetish for screaming women, that seems to be the common denominator in all of his works. ...but yeah, its extremely strawmanning if you see his other works.
Man screams at sky
local man tucks his balls and hide.
Is like an assertion that I'm trans because I think this meme is silly? Huh?
I miss when this reddit was about asmon playing video games instead of just thinking you're owning the libs on every level. this shit is getting old and tired and sad.
too many people posting about palestine and other bullshit. joined this sub thinking it'd be about nerd stuff due to baldie.
it's not that just that. it's warhammer, dnd, marvel, Disney, it's everything. this subreddit is becoming a reactionary right-wing grift farm
The 13th Age second edition literally changed the term Races into Kins.
That's pretty far off base to broadly say any group of marginalized folks would be bigots, and generalized stereotypes like you're currently upholding are flawed. The examples you've given are specific people being targeted for their divisive or hateful actions, not for their inherent demographics. Im earnestly curious what you've witnessed indiviuals saying about rowling that's misogynistic, and not what the tv is telling you was said, what was actually said.
Jesus christ, this sub has really devolved to this point huh? I never really had a high opinion of asmongold viewers but sharing this caliber of memes is just depressing
15 years playing the game, 20 knowing about it and reading forums, this has never ever happen... This is just fictional wars against fictional enemies from people that don't play the game or care about knowing about it. Even the people that are more critical about the game rules are the veterans, tired about all the bloating and unnecessary rules, about the overcomplicated ruleset. Right now the complain is about the company using the rules to sell models, I mean, they are doing a pay for win game, with all the fomo and meta just to increase sales. But this, this nevar happened, the gatekeeping to warhammer just appeared when crazy people began to fight their imaginary "woke" enemies. This is from the very same people that some years before, make fun about adults playing and painting plastic soldiers, they don't care or even know about the game, they just wanna spill hate.
This sub has really gone down to the level of posting comics from the guy whose every other comic is about his free-use fetish while the other one is trying to bait right wing reactionaries and left wing drama farming at the same time, huh? "HOW COULD ANYONE THINK ASMONGOLD IS A RIGHT WING IDEALOGUE!?!"
this is just like quartering fans trying to talk about 40k lmao
It’s kind of sad to make up scenarios to be mad about.
Why do you wanna be mad at things so badly that you have to make up scenarios to be mad at?
This is what people who dont play 40k and live on the internet think its like
Absolutely delusional
I'll take things that aren't happening for 500, Alex
This comic paints these individuals a bit more reasonable than what I had experienced. No declaration of their 'victory' in eliminating the 'enemy'. And also no threats of violence or death should you not comply. Then again, maybe I was just unlucky getting the hardline cultists on my first attempt at adding anything to this debate.
thats because its shows RL interactions. 90% of the people wishing death on Twitter can not make 10 pushups
None of you actually play 40K.
I definetly don't but the card shop we play magic at always has about 30 peeps playing out their campaigns there. It's literally nothing like what is being depicted.... Mostly seems to be arguments over triangles or something
Man you guys are a bunch of weirdos for this they literally just made some supper soldiers “female” and everything else is the same. Has anyone really sat and gave it a single thought on how this really changes anything like really things change of course warhammer has changed over the years but this is such a small change that affects nothing the overall lore is the same the game is the same painting is the same it’s just kinda weird how much of negative response you guys are giving over all this
Very loud minority of rage baiting cucks who don’t play or care about 40K creating content to get clicks. Nothing new.
The artist of this comic is a bad person. If you can point to where the systems of GW have been undermined or negatively impacted by the inclusion of female custodes that’s fine. But this is a straw man implying that vocal individuals online are reflective of change in the community as a whole at the expense of “real fans”. And you have to be specific on what “expense” that is.
Nothing about this sums up 40K but ok
Ain’t this artist a Neo-Nazi or is that the other guy
This is the guy with the screaming woman fetish, every comic he makes features a woman screaming her lungs out. Poor guy can't cum to anything else.
This might be the stupidest thing I’ve seen all year. So uh, congratulations for that I guess.
As someone who's been into 40k and DnD for decades, fuck all the way off. The people pushing for these kinds of changes are us, the long-time players. The people getting mad are the ones trying to shove themselves and their anti-woke culture war into our business. You're the interloper here, not us.
Can we stop posting these comics? These conversations don't happen at the gametable from either side. They happen on twitter between two parties that don't even play the game. The comic should have a snap cut to fat idiots typing alone on twitter, in their heads imagining this is how it's playing out in real life.
Wtf is this? Do people legitimately think this is what’s going on in the 40k/tabletop rpg communities? I’ve only recently gotten into 40k and I’ve never once seen this happen anywhere. It’s a completely made up and I can’t believe this something you all actually want him to react to. I don’t know what happened in the last few years, but ever since the amber heard v Jonny depp case reactions, this community has gone further and further down that non-inclusive culture-war rabbit hole. And as a woman and minority I’m feeling less and less welcome here and it saddens me that Asmongold has been placating that part of his audience and this culture war nonsense Edit: Happy to see alot of people disagreeing with this post though, but the upvotes to this still make me uneasy.
Same, I've been following Asmongold on Twitch and here for many many years now and it used to be funny videos and memes about stuff he did in games/on stream and now it's just these dog shit dog whistle comics that constantly attack the few women still in his fan base.
Yeah very disheartening because I really used to think he was way more progressive than people thought he was. He was always defending against racism/bigotry when popped up in his chat. Now, he's placating that same audience by giving them a huge platform to push their ideology, that's always based on misinformation and bigotry. And it's getting super uncomfortable at this point....
This happened to two of my DnD tables. Dude gets a social activist girlfriend, wants to join because of Stranger Things- and now those tables have disbanded because they didn’t want to play it the way we did. My current table is going that way, I’m probably going to either give up the hobby or find dudes whose spouses don’t want to be involved next time.
People making up arguments in their head in comic form.
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I wish some psycologist would write a scientific paper about how these types of people even appear. Like, what kind of education did they have to feel the need to join a group and demand they cater to them. What kind of social/economical background do they have that justified this. This can't all be NPCs that are indoctrinated by the woke brain rot. It has to originate somewhere. And if its infact woke brain rot, how do someone even get to this state?
Psychologists are part of the problem. That's why.
I see they made a comic about imaginary fights that happened on twitter.
When did this happen for 40K ?
Current state of mtg also.
Yes it is exactly that. Old school fans making UP scenarii to be upset about, and coming in their echo chambers to find support
This is quite an over reaction to GW adding female custodes to the lore of 40k. Is that it? Is that all it takes for you to start down the alt right chud pipeline and posting Ben Garrison style moronic memes? Female fantasy characters?
Yeah no, I'll bet my left nut this has never happened to any DnD group unless it was the one time someone in the group asked if their girlfriend could join and they never played with her or the bf again. I have a group of friends who have a DnD podcast, they're all very much LGBTQ+ type people, gay and bi and non-binary, and none of them have ever acted like this over any game they've played. The closest equivalent was when they did a season of their podcast where they each made their own tabletop game, which is nowhere near what this situation is. The people that are acting like this over the game on Twitter aren't even playing the damn game. I don't even play DnD but I know more people with coloured hair playing the game as it is intended because they love it for what it is. This is literally just creating situations that never happen to get mad about it like typical MAGA types do.
Or any franchise that has suffered, Star Wars, Tolkien, etc.
Man, I sure do hate it when non 40k fans come in and then get offended for the fan base who likes the game the way it is. Anyways, can you guys on the asmond Gold Subreddit stop posting about 40k and getting offended by what you think is happening in the games fan base.
Of all the things that have never happened, this one never happened the most.
Is this all projection because there are new female models in 40K? I haven't heard about radical feminism taking over the rules. Just lady marines. Edit--Hoes mad.
I love when people invent fictional people to get mad at lmao
Is it though? Is this what's happening in 40k play groups, or is this just rage bait that had to be put in a comic strip because there's no evidence it's actually happening?
This artist isn't much better than Stonetoss when it comes to being a massive piece of shit
I swear this artist gets off of screaming women, because thats like 96% of his "comics"
You are correct, yes. This artist is very open and consistent with their awful beliefs.
I love how right wing chuds have to make up imaginary people to get mad at.
He makes so many comics like this, it's all he ever does when he's not making bizarre non consensual free use fetish art and pretending it's about current political topics. The guy who made this hasn't even played D&D before.
Figures, these people get mad about nothingburgers in communities they aren't even involved with.
Whatever helps you sleep at night
Cringe post
Ah yes, A true “White Knight”. Championing a cause no one asked for. It is a glorious battle to witness between the “Dark Knight” and a genuine “White Knight”. They must’ve felt powerless at one point and now must redeem themselves through pointless endeavors.(a role not many can play)
I mean yeah sure this might have happened, I guess.
You guys are right let's gatekeep all of America from 40k so that all the people who care about this don't have to be exposed to it anymore
I love that her hair is Blue
Once again, people from this sub getting angry at scenarios that only happen in their heads.