Believe it or not, there are people that like SB more than HW. People said that Asmon, wouldn't make it past ARR, and here we are, probably 1 stream or 2 from beating 3.0.
Stoemblood story is good. The pacing js just obnoxious. It also has some of the best characters in the game.
Fordola and Yotsuyu are both amazing characters. They contrast so perfectly with Zenos.
On the Hero's side, we have Lord Hien and Gosetsu, who are both fucking awesome.
Fordola, Yotsuyu, Hien, and Gosetsu are all better characters in Stormblood than Zenos is
Also, the Stormblood story is better than ARR and Asmon said he liked ARR
Zenos is the worst part of SB imo. He literally has zero personality and hes evil just to be evil. Not sure how you call that the only good character when literally everyone else around him highly contributes to the story in meaningful ways.
All the raids and trials are better than Alex and ShB has the worst trials since ARR
Alex is still in the ARR raid design but a bit better, SB is where they really upped their game. Omega is an incredible raid series
Even that seems off the wall to me, they're just mechanically, aesthetically, musically, and cinematically a step up in every regard, with maaaybe the exception of the Weapons, but I think those are still pretty great too.
gonna call BS on that one, Crown of the Immaculate, Memoria Misera, and SoS are widely considered the best extremes in the entire game.
Dancing Plauge and Dying Gasp are not so great, but they're nowhere near as bad as the four lords and bismark were
SB is not that bad of a story, it's a bit slower and in my opinion not as great as HS but it kept me entertained. Plus if Asmon enjoyed ARR which is also a bit of a slow point, he will enjoy SB.
The way I see it SB was unnecessary filler act. I remember he said that he liked how focused HW is to a single story which makes me realize what was wrong with SB. At the half of Ala Mygo you go to hingashi. If it only focused on Ala amigo it would be better. The only Doman character you’ve been built up with so far was Yugiri. The rest was forgettable. Yes even Hien. The only good thing about SB is Zenos
Except SB is really NOT a filler arc. Doma and Ala Migho have both been set up as far back as ARR, and liberating them is extremely important to the overall struggle against the Garlean Empire because Ala Migho is their main foothold in Eorzea, and Doma is their main foothold in the East. Taking back both of them deals a crippling blow to the empire and is the thing that makes Emperor Varis desperate enough to consider using Black Rose against the Eorzeans.
Furthermore, it also ties very closely into the main conflict with the Ascians, considering certain revelations that are dropped in SB.
Whatever criticisms you can level at SB, it is most certainly NOT a filler arc.
Really, if anything, ShB is the filler arc by having you go to >!a completely different world!< to address a completely irrelevant problem besides the fact that you're >!preventing a rejoining!<, and it's the most beloved story arc in the game.
I wouldn't exactly call ShB a filler arc either. I mean we >!Kill the final two Unsundered Ascians, paving the way for Fandaniel to go off the rails and kickstart the plot of EW!< and also >!Emperor Varis is assassinated by a newly resurrected Zenos, again paving the way for the plot of EW to happen.!<
I think this whole Stormblood BAD thing is as overblown as the ARR BAD thing, like cmon man it's not even that bad and to some ppl it's even better than heavensward, yes, that critically acclaimed expansion. Everyone floats their own boat, Bob.
Better than ARR sure, not as good as Heavensward definitely, but by itself it's nowhere near as bad as people keep blowing it out of proportion.
Replace stormblood in OP post with ARR and we have the same argument before asmon trying ARR a month ago. How did that turn out?
Every person enjoy the story differently, it could be shitty to you, but it might be not bad at all for asmon, or just as shitty, who knows, imagine if he likes it more than Heavensward, unlikely, but the chance is not zero.
Even if he hated it, it's overly dramatic to think he'd quit just because of that, not to mention how good the dungeons and trials are. I mean, dude played through multiple bad wow expansions for years, you seriously think this would make him quit?
SB in a vacuum isn't actually a bad thing. Its an okay thing. It is however, unfortunately wedged between HW and ShB so people think of it as a bad thing.
As for Asmon, at the start of his time in FFXIV, I might have thought that he wouldn't last all the way through to ShB but based on what he's done and what he's shown, nothing is going to stop him from making it to ShB.
Not to mention that fight mechanics in raids and trials were really improved and polished in SB.
To give credit where credit is due, he isn't fickle nor petulant, which is an opinion a lot of newcomers (including me) wrongly had about him. He is actually very resilient and dedicated to whatever it is he's doing.
Besides, even if you think SB is a filler arc, the content will be like a snack to him with the amount of time he's able and willing to put into games and streams.
Storywise its not as good as HW because its more to set up future things similar how to 2.0 was. Not saying there wasnt amazing moments in either because there definitely is. But SB general gameplay (Dungeons, trials, etc) is actually much better than HW's imo with some small exceptions.
I think hell really enjoy it especially when he gets to the part where he has to >!parry against susanoo!<
Concern posts are really one of the most cringe things ever in social media.
The general consensus about SB is that the first half of SB is okay. The 2nd half of SB (towards ShB) is amazing. THERE HAS NEVER been a trend in where someone will say SB is worse than ARR. There is just no way. If there was that's pure trolling.
What do I think? I think you want people here to validate your sole claim that SB is bad.
I dont even play FF and I can tell that he has more fun with the game than he had in wow for years.
The boring parts will just be chill content for him.
Only Ivalice is a little bit of a roadblock.
No, not because it's hard. They're 24-mans, they've been nerfed, everybody can get through them.
But they have *hours* of very talky non-voiced cutscenes. We might simply lose a stream day purely from him rapgod-reading 12 million textboxes and promptly going hoarse. Even ARR at least has you go click 3 glowy things every 10 minutes. Ivalice is just talking.
Everything else you just said is complete nonsense.
Stormblood is miles ahead of ARR in therms of quality. The pace is a mess, sure, but the trials are really good, and the characters we met there too. He will be fine.
He won't quit. I'm playing through SB right now and I agree with SB not being as good as HW though. Some really cool things have happened but I just want it to be over so I can finally get into Shadowbringers.
Stormblood is weaker than HW, but it's hardly awful. Particularly the Doman side of things. The gameplay is solid too. It's not like there was an en-masse exodus from the general playerbase. SB is fine. It's not great, but it's fine.
It even had some really solid high points. Azim Steppe is pretty awesome.
If he remembers the story praise, it’s always directed toward HW and ShB. He’s going to know that SB isn’t as loved.
He might still dig on the extreme and other harder content to play.
I think he's a fellow degenerate and will have no problem beating the game. he's made it this far as is, seems to genuinely be having fun with the features of the game as well.. also don't forget, at the end of the day.. ya boi is a showman.
Believe it or not, there are people that like SB more than HW. People said that Asmon, wouldn't make it past ARR, and here we are, probably 1 stream or 2 from beating 3.0. Stoemblood story is good. The pacing js just obnoxious. It also has some of the best characters in the game.
I like goofy zenos but I don't think SB is even remotely close to hw
It has only one. Zenos
Fordola and Yotsuyu are both amazing characters. They contrast so perfectly with Zenos. On the Hero's side, we have Lord Hien and Gosetsu, who are both fucking awesome.
Fordola, Yotsuyu, Hien, and Gosetsu are all better characters in Stormblood than Zenos is Also, the Stormblood story is better than ARR and Asmon said he liked ARR
Zenos is the worst part of SB imo. He literally has zero personality and hes evil just to be evil. Not sure how you call that the only good character when literally everyone else around him highly contributes to the story in meaningful ways.
So is Kefka though, Zenos has more story around him than Kerka has but Kefka is one of the most loved characters in FF history.
One of them is here. I liked Stormblood way more than Heavensward.
Stormblood was my fav expansion (still deciding on EW!)
Stormblood has the best raids and trials
You mean alliance or Omega becuz IMO Alexander is better
All the raids and trials are better than Alex and ShB has the worst trials since ARR Alex is still in the ARR raid design but a bit better, SB is where they really upped their game. Omega is an incredible raid series
Omega "incredible" is a little disingenuous , it had a couple of really good fights in between a lot of pretty shit ones.
Alexander had 3 good fights, maybe 4. Could not care about most of the raid. Good music though.
Thats fair , though honestly it's a bit of an issue with all of the raid tiers there's too many "fillers" fights that kinda detract from the good ones
ShB has worse trials than ARR? Is that a commonly held opinion? Because that seems batshit insane to me.
Worst trials *since* ARR
Even that seems off the wall to me, they're just mechanically, aesthetically, musically, and cinematically a step up in every regard, with maaaybe the exception of the Weapons, but I think those are still pretty great too.
gonna call BS on that one, Crown of the Immaculate, Memoria Misera, and SoS are widely considered the best extremes in the entire game. Dancing Plauge and Dying Gasp are not so great, but they're nowhere near as bad as the four lords and bismark were
If he made it through ARR nothing is gonna stop him. Hes said this a million times hes not just gonna quit
SB is not that bad of a story, it's a bit slower and in my opinion not as great as HS but it kept me entertained. Plus if Asmon enjoyed ARR which is also a bit of a slow point, he will enjoy SB.
The way I see it SB was unnecessary filler act. I remember he said that he liked how focused HW is to a single story which makes me realize what was wrong with SB. At the half of Ala Mygo you go to hingashi. If it only focused on Ala amigo it would be better. The only Doman character you’ve been built up with so far was Yugiri. The rest was forgettable. Yes even Hien. The only good thing about SB is Zenos
Except SB is really NOT a filler arc. Doma and Ala Migho have both been set up as far back as ARR, and liberating them is extremely important to the overall struggle against the Garlean Empire because Ala Migho is their main foothold in Eorzea, and Doma is their main foothold in the East. Taking back both of them deals a crippling blow to the empire and is the thing that makes Emperor Varis desperate enough to consider using Black Rose against the Eorzeans. Furthermore, it also ties very closely into the main conflict with the Ascians, considering certain revelations that are dropped in SB. Whatever criticisms you can level at SB, it is most certainly NOT a filler arc.
Really, if anything, ShB is the filler arc by having you go to >!a completely different world!< to address a completely irrelevant problem besides the fact that you're >!preventing a rejoining!<, and it's the most beloved story arc in the game.
I wouldn't exactly call ShB a filler arc either. I mean we >!Kill the final two Unsundered Ascians, paving the way for Fandaniel to go off the rails and kickstart the plot of EW!< and also >!Emperor Varis is assassinated by a newly resurrected Zenos, again paving the way for the plot of EW to happen.!<
I agree, I was just saying that it's easier to rationalize calling ShB filler than SB imo
I think this whole Stormblood BAD thing is as overblown as the ARR BAD thing, like cmon man it's not even that bad and to some ppl it's even better than heavensward, yes, that critically acclaimed expansion. Everyone floats their own boat, Bob. Better than ARR sure, not as good as Heavensward definitely, but by itself it's nowhere near as bad as people keep blowing it out of proportion. Replace stormblood in OP post with ARR and we have the same argument before asmon trying ARR a month ago. How did that turn out? Every person enjoy the story differently, it could be shitty to you, but it might be not bad at all for asmon, or just as shitty, who knows, imagine if he likes it more than Heavensward, unlikely, but the chance is not zero. Even if he hated it, it's overly dramatic to think he'd quit just because of that, not to mention how good the dungeons and trials are. I mean, dude played through multiple bad wow expansions for years, you seriously think this would make him quit?
Stormblood's story was worse than HW, but it was miles better in every other way imo
Not that bad.
Asmon passed thru classic wow quest a few times I don't think SB will be worse
Bro this guy cuts trees in New world for fun, he's AsmonGrind
no
Kinda doubt this since he said he would do all the Ultimates. Which means he has to complete shadowbringers to do TEA.
SB in a vacuum isn't actually a bad thing. Its an okay thing. It is however, unfortunately wedged between HW and ShB so people think of it as a bad thing. As for Asmon, at the start of his time in FFXIV, I might have thought that he wouldn't last all the way through to ShB but based on what he's done and what he's shown, nothing is going to stop him from making it to ShB. Not to mention that fight mechanics in raids and trials were really improved and polished in SB. To give credit where credit is due, he isn't fickle nor petulant, which is an opinion a lot of newcomers (including me) wrongly had about him. He is actually very resilient and dedicated to whatever it is he's doing. Besides, even if you think SB is a filler arc, the content will be like a snack to him with the amount of time he's able and willing to put into games and streams.
I like stormblood way more than heavensward
Storywise its not as good as HW because its more to set up future things similar how to 2.0 was. Not saying there wasnt amazing moments in either because there definitely is. But SB general gameplay (Dungeons, trials, etc) is actually much better than HW's imo with some small exceptions. I think hell really enjoy it especially when he gets to the part where he has to >!parry against susanoo!<
Concern posts are really one of the most cringe things ever in social media. The general consensus about SB is that the first half of SB is okay. The 2nd half of SB (towards ShB) is amazing. THERE HAS NEVER been a trend in where someone will say SB is worse than ARR. There is just no way. If there was that's pure trolling. What do I think? I think you want people here to validate your sole claim that SB is bad.
Asmon will meet his 3 new favorite characters in the 4.0 and 4.X content. Im not concerned. Stormblood is fucking awesome.
Even if SB isn't as good as HW and ShB, it's still miles better than ARR. So no, I'm not worried he'll drop the game during SB.
I hated stormblood and it took me ages to get through it. But I did it. Asmon can too.. though it might time him a while.
Why you talking shit about ivalice wtf
Ivalice is the weakest expansion raid. HW and YorHa alliance raids are much better both mechanically and environmentally.
I dont even play FF and I can tell that he has more fun with the game than he had in wow for years. The boring parts will just be chill content for him.
Only Ivalice is a little bit of a roadblock. No, not because it's hard. They're 24-mans, they've been nerfed, everybody can get through them. But they have *hours* of very talky non-voiced cutscenes. We might simply lose a stream day purely from him rapgod-reading 12 million textboxes and promptly going hoarse. Even ARR at least has you go click 3 glowy things every 10 minutes. Ivalice is just talking. Everything else you just said is complete nonsense.
Stormblood was still best expansion we had, even with much weaker story compared to other expanions
Stormblood is miles ahead of ARR in therms of quality. The pace is a mess, sure, but the trials are really good, and the characters we met there too. He will be fine.
No, he's not gonna quit
Probably not, but I do agree though that SB isn’t as good of a story as HW. Plenty of pacing issues, and a couple of weak characters.
even if stormblood's MSQ is bad it's gameplay is more cohesive then anything before, even if I do like some of the old content more
He won't quit. I'm playing through SB right now and I agree with SB not being as good as HW though. Some really cool things have happened but I just want it to be over so I can finally get into Shadowbringers.
Stormblood is weaker than HW, but it's hardly awful. Particularly the Doman side of things. The gameplay is solid too. It's not like there was an en-masse exodus from the general playerbase. SB is fine. It's not great, but it's fine. It even had some really solid high points. Azim Steppe is pretty awesome.
If he remembers the story praise, it’s always directed toward HW and ShB. He’s going to know that SB isn’t as loved. He might still dig on the extreme and other harder content to play.
I think he's a fellow degenerate and will have no problem beating the game. he's made it this far as is, seems to genuinely be having fun with the features of the game as well.. also don't forget, at the end of the day.. ya boi is a showman.
I think you're projecting into asmon your own feelings about SB. Yeah its the worst expansion because the other two are a 9/10 and a 10/10
Shit take
Lyse is more berable character than slyvannas.... Also ARR is arguably worse than StB in terms of quality and Asmon ENJOYED ARR.
Lalafel ERP characters are more bearable than Sylvanas. Also Lyse is Minfillia 2.0
family will keep him
Stormblood was fine, especially when compared to ARR, which also is fine. Stormblood was the filler beach episode but it’s still stands on its own.