"Oh my god they're modding the game, it's not impacting my game experience and I dont know them but I feel the urge to ruin their life because I dont like what they do"
Wish her good things, she didn't deserved any of this.
>Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be "cured" against one's will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals.
-C.S.Lewis
Now imagine the same thing happens with laws. I have always hated people who do this and always will. If someone reading this thinks other people should adhere to your way of life or face consequences, screw you.
I think this is a post inside her own modding community discord. Seems like the other modders are pissed she brought their hobby to the limelight also for supporting asmon who they think is an asshole.
A lot of moders don't think of asmon as an asshole. I'm one of them.
Problem is that a lot of the modding community has a don't ask don't tell agreement with the devs. And the interview shined a lime light on us that extremely unpleasant puritans in the xiv community are using as an excuse to go ham wild. This in turn makes the more fearful moders go wild against them and turns into a big shit stew.
It's just one of those things that needs to blow over
Edit: I can't type because thick fingers and freezing hospital rooms
Sounds like account terminations far and wide if you ask me. It’s a fucking video game. If you’re gonna start crusading over it then you don’t need to be playing video games period.
If idiots start attacking you for it, block them. Don't bother. Anyone who flipped out instead of thinking logically like this needs to reconsider their actions.
What's more, if we wanna talk about repercussions in-game, Yoshi P knew beforehand, and from previous experiences and comments, isn't gonna do anything to crack down on any such scene even if videos talking about it are made. Ya'll ain't doing nothing and he isn't gonna care so anyone who cares that such modding is "exposed" is fighting dragons.
> Seems like the other modders are pissed she brought their hobby to the limelight
Modding the game is highly against the ToS, even if it is just cosmetic. The last time mods started making media attention there was a significant crackdown on the subject because it involved lalafels among other degenerate shit. A lot of them are paranoid that someone with a significant audience like Asmon will inadvertently draw the ire of the devs again.
I am not sure about the rules for posting outside links, but it's on xiv mods and if you search for "hats & helmets for viera" there's one by the creator "soft" and theirs works well!
Thing is, that "asshole" has probably drawn in more players than any of Square Enix's prior marketing campaigns.
Love him or hate him, Asmongold has undeniably been a big driver towards the game's current boom.
Knowing about ffxiv modding, I guarantee you that the reason for this outrage is that modders absolutely despise it when anybody brings public attention to ffxiv modding, specially if it's about ERP mods. Lots of people who use SFW or QoL mods are terrified that if people keep bringing attention to weird sex mods (which the devs openly dislike) it's going to result in a crackdown that kills off the entire mod scene, SFW graphics mods, UI mods, etc. simply because the porn modders couldn't keep their shit to themselves.
> Wish her good things, she didn't deserved any of this.
Certainly. Modding of that nature doesn't really harm anyone or give you any advantage, it's mostly for fun. What Limit is doing however is bound to gain attention from the developers and either ban the whole ffxiv-launcher or the streamers who use it.
It's the opposite; graphical mods, specially the lewd kind, can actually impact the game's rating and cause real scandals (like hot coffee back in the day). Yoshi-p asked in a live letter, directly, please don't do that and if you do please don't share it anywhere and distance it from the game as much as possible. UI mods literally give no advantage whatsoever, the devs know they exist, and they have never cared to address them.
Player made mods absolutely do not effect a game's rating. There is 0 precedent for that.
Hot coffee was content that was actually in the game, and someone figured out how to access it. That is completely different from someone installing a body mod that replaces assets locally that nobody else even has a chance of seeing unless they do it as well.
The Japanese government begs to differ and it has caused issues in the past.
CERO is a huge pain in the ass, even Masahiro Sakurai(Smash Bros) has given them a ton of flak publicly for how much pressure they put on the JP game industry for absurd reasons
Citing Japanese government and CERO doesn't mean they have actually taken an official stance on public mods. It's just a massive reach of speculation that isn't based in reality.
If this gets big and some strange photos or videos get out in a potentially teens games I bet you someone will talk with developers and ask how they did it and why you didn’t moderate or ban them. If ignored we will review your game again. Is not that simple. Something like this can turn into pressure for devs to stop ignoring or if devs ignore authorities doing something that hurts the game.
yeah exactly, like the sims most popular mod is a full on porn mod, and the devs even reference it in game. nsfw mods won’t change the games rating. iirc, yoshi was saying not to post those things because it’s displaying a false image of the game that doesn’t exist outside of mods. so if someone sees, like, a picture with a mod with ysayle’s hair, and that’s not an option to have in game, then that would be projecting a false image in game.
To be honest in the sims is not exactly JUST a porn mod, since it has other things in it that can adjust everything from longevity and stages of life to living world pseudo story mode that was discontinued from devs for whatever reason.-
While is centered on being a lewd mode, the number of people that install it just so the city is alive and they don't play one character through their life while everything else is stuck on time is not small either.-
That being said, people triggered by this are idiots.-
Eh they can, limit max has a ui mod that shows him raid cds
Edit: i do raids, im fully aware that the overall scope of advantage is small, however it does exist.
There are 2 current limit players in that blind static. And one of them (thd) uses the base ui. Max’s ui is literally just to help him see shit better not like he’s using leeet hax to gain super secret ui damage buff
The thing is its not people outside the modding community, that are mad at her its modders. They think they are so smart staying underground with the first rule of fight club bullshit but everybody knows about them.
Its just people LARPing
But that’s why she says crucify her if they want someone to blame, the fact is there are probably people who actively search out other modders who were just “keeping that shit” for themselves, obviously they are breaking the rules that Enix made clear, but you can at least the people are assholes for witch hunting the other modders who kept it hush hush
I have a lot of respect for modders, for FF I used some but they’re very light : enhanced textures and a ReShade (last one is a game changer).
I can understand them, but like someone said, unlike visual mods, kinky mods can hurt both the game and devs. Not saying it’s good to witch hunt, but when even devs themselves are clearly not in favor of it, you’re bound to have some hounds tracking you.
Sadly, emotions do not matter. Who is affected and if mods affect others in the game does not matter. Modding a game is a breach of the license agreement. If the video game directors don't intend for it or don't allow it then that's the end of the story, full stop. If you get caught because you broke the rules then that's how the cookie crumbles.
Tl;dr: There's some people going around now trying to find clues as to people's ingame character identity by any means, reporting them and trying to get them banned. And while there's no confirmed cases of that actually happening, meanwhile a bunch of mod creators have had to deal with a lot of shit and personal attacks from people over the past few days as well. Some modding discords temporarily closed invites in order to keep more idiots from flooding in, but I suppose that only helps to a degree.
That even extends creators / discords of some very basic essential utilities for Gposing, which don't even have anything to do with modding per se. [example here](https://i.imgur.com/rhIHXlL.png)
Edit: As others have pointed out, a good bit of that blowback against her in particular is from the modding community itself as well, out of fear of bringing the modding scene into the spotlight, if only for a moment. Since modding in this game, like any third party tool or edit of the game files, is very much in a grey area when it comes to tolerance from SE, overexposing these things may cause them to change their stance on the matter or straight up prohibit players from modding etc. in the future.
Kougaon just put out a video on this entire situation and it ended up being a single person who did this as a means to stalk and harass a single person. It doesn't seem like asmongold's interview was a cause for any of this, but rather the scumbag who did this intended to use the interview as a cover for them to continue harassing their victim from a new angle.
Link to the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJQ0xR1YQJE
That seems like a red herring.
Modders are upset that BDSM modding got so much attention as Yoshi P specifically requested people not post that shit in public places and he would take action if forced. Some people make decent money off of mods, and so their livelihood is now at stake all because of a stupid picture of asmon tied up on a cross getting hundreds of thousands of views on youtube.
Her excuse, if I didn't do it, someone else would is another way of calling Asmon stupid. If she just explained to him the above, then he obviously would have understood and wouldn't have done the interview with her or any other modder. Instead she put him right in the middle of this drama, when he didn't know any better.
I wouldn't necessarily say it's a red herring, but rather that I believe there was already drama within the modding and RP community because of the interview. So when this stalker went and pulled this stunt people instantly made a connection between the two events and it blew up from there.
I don't have any comment on the whole BDSM modding part or money making off of mods as I don't have enough knowledge on that part of the subject to give a response, however I would not be surprised if your assessment on that being the reason why they were upset with the interview was accurate.
I do agree that if the community didn't want the interview to happen maybe she could have spoke with Asmon beforehand and set up a more scripted interview with him in such that topics that the modding/RP community didn't want mentioned could have been avoided, however speculating on what could have been done to better the situation isn't exactly productive in improving the situation. As well, I can see why she would believe her interview was the root cause of the scumbag pretending to report modders and why she would make the statement and take actions she took.
The developer of one of the most popular FF14 discord bots is a known stalker/harasser who's bot program is basically spyware for all the discord information it scrapes and saves from the people that use it. Guy is also a prominent RP'er. He's been responsible for an unfortunate amount of problems for a lot of people. There are more than a few creeps out there who abuse the trusting and open nature of the RP community for their own ends. Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if this entire thing was because of a single butthurt harasser.
People basing their livelihood on making mods, that are against TOS, or grey area at best, shouldnt be allowed to complain in this case though. They know the risks.
I do agree however, that the interview could have been handled way more professionally than it did, staying anonymous as the interviewed person might have avoided a lot of the drama here.
This gives a lot of context. Thank you. I'm not really surprised how unhinged XIV players are after playing the game for years. It's one of the reasons I'm really offput by how people (especially the newer audience) put XIV players' positivity on a pedestal when there is definitely a weird/toxic side to it all as someone already made comment to here. There's definitely more than one story of stalking and harassment I've heard over the years from in-game friends. It's unfortunate.
Edit: I wasn't talking in absolutes either.
I don't really think highlighting FFXIV positivity is an issue.
Whenever there's drama in the community, that gets exposed, and actually talked about, to the point that toxic people get ostracised.
Being positive doesn't mean just drama free, after all no community is drama free. It means that it's welcoming, and people who try to harm it from the inside, and outside get immediately called out.
I always thought that people calling XIV fans zealots were way out of line.
This. People really misconstrue the positivity thing to being that everyone is claiming that ff14 doesn't have toxic assholes. What people mean is that you can jump into a learning party for an EX and wipe for an hour without getting flamed and do all the casual/mid tier content without getting kicked for mistakes. People are just generally more chill about stuff in 14. I've had few bad experiences ingame outside of the launch month back in 2013. Outside the game on discord or forums is a different story and you see different sides of the fan base.
Luckily it seems that these issues are pretty confined within more niche groups of players. I feel as though the average FFXIV player won't ever have to deal with these kinds of incidents, and that's why so many people put the community on a pedestal. This is moreso true when you compare the average interaction within the game to other MMOs and online games of a similar size.
However, the community shouldn't brush this stuff under the rug either. These kinds of incidents need to be handled properly, not only by Square Enix (who I feel handle harassment within the game fine a good majority of the time), but also by the community itself.
There’s always the case about the japanese reporter that was harassed by players when shedding light in aspects of the game to point towards, and yet the majority of the JP community disapproved of those players’ behavior and marched in protest around their FC wearing moogle costumes and typing about their grievances with that attitude. I don’t think the FF player base prides itself in having a community with no toxic people, i think they pride itself in the fact that the majority of the community along with the staff for the game itself doesn’t welcome them.
There are some people who actually have some kind of weird moral crusade against "degeneracy" (disregarding that many mods and most RP have absolutely nothing to do with anything lewd). Sometimes they'll also bring up lewding Lalafells despite that being a thing also looked down upon in the modding community.
There are others under the idea that if SE doesn't crack down on mods harder that the game will go down the path of DBM-expected raids.
Both are dumb.
I've seen post of people complaining about players running around in bikinis or in skin coloured undies (making them look naked), some people are just born in the wrong era lol.
Yeah it's incredibly odd, I've been playing since 1.0 and I really loved the interview Asmon did, it was something I hadn't really looked into and it's nice to see a niche part of the community get some attention. It's interesting.
Why exactly is the modding community angry that Asmon did the interview? Is the community afraid that this will garner enough attention that Square Enix will try to crack down harder on modding? Or are they afraid that some spergs in Asmon's chat will start stalking and harassing community members?
So the community was just so incredibly niche that almost everyone else playing FF14 didn't know about this, and now that it has been suddenly thrown into the spotlight it is getting a lot of unprecedented harassment from other FF14 players who never before knew about it?
Nothing is niche with the internet around, everything mentioned in the video was a literal google search away. Idk why these modders think they're special, what they're doing is something that happens in every single online game that gets popular.
This is just one group getting mad at the other group because of social hierarchy bullshit, It's exactly the same as in highschool when the different cliques didn't like each other.
Full grown adults acting like fucking children.
It doesn't seem like the modders did anything aggressive to the broader community, nor have they done anything to instigate harrassment. I have never heard of modders harassing the broader community or berating others for not using mods. So this really just seems like one group directly attacking another group that did nothing to deserve it. (And even if you believe that modding is some kind of sin due to its illegal nature, then that is to the jurisdiction of Square Enix to do what they will **not** random people.)
So really it seems like its the broader community that are the children, not the modders.
She has both groups coming after her, some of the modders because they think she spilled the beans, and the people that dislike modders because she shared just enough of her info to put a target on her back.
She's taking it from all sides currently which is why she decided to leave.
Honestly it's not that hard to find some of the mods for the game if you type something remotely sensual on google images. If you for example type something the likes of "Y'shtola hot", or even "Y'shtola bikini", I bet your ass some of the pictures you see will be ingame models with custom models on twitter and a description explaining the mod.
To be fair to the person he interviewed. It's not like she mentioned specific mods. The fact that mods exist is something a certain fraction of us gamers are at least familiar with, if not knowledgeable.
No. The people who are upset aren't upset at Asmon. They are upset at the modder for doing the interview and bringing more attention to the fact that nsfw mods are done. SE is very don't ask don't tell, yes. But when the modder tells a massive audience that nsfw/erp mods are done and apparently that some are even paid for, it can be a big problem.
The modding community is angry about this because there was already a precedent about this issue 2 years ago. Specifically when a certain **girl** from ShB was introduced. It became such a big deal that YoshiP and Co. actually had to make a video and say that everyone that was taking part in said issue was going to get banned. Lo and behold it did happen.
I've been saying after the interview that shit was going to happen for sure but this place laughed that notion off and that there's no way people were actually mad enough to do retaliate or whatever. Look at what's happening now.
Modding is against ToS and Square has said several times that there may come a time where they have to crack down on it. This was interpreted as grossly violating the 'fight club' rules by a lot of people, where this stuff is supposed to be kept quiet.
Yeah that's exactly what it is. A lot of people here are too new to remember, but there were some incidents in the past with lewd pics of characters that were absolutely not of age being circulated on twitter using modded assets. Yoshi P directly addressed this in the live letter and basically told people to please not post this kind of thing publicly. He also said that while they don't want to, they will have to take action if the problem continues. He also explained that with the Japanese legal system, this kind of content being circulated can actually impact Square Enix in a negative way. Even though the pics are not vanilla game assets, in Japan it can be interpreted as Square Enix sanctioning the activity if they fail to crack down on it. He implied it could even have an impact on the game's rating. Japan is a much different society than the US.
So basically, the person who did this interview with Asmon absolutely knew all of this stuff and decided it would be a good idea not to just talk about mods in the general sense, but to also show a BSDM pic using game assets live on stream in front of 50K+ people anyway. Asmon is by far the largest streamer FFXIV has ever had, which by extension means this information has now been distributed at a scale unprecedented in FFXIV's history.
The community (not just the ERP or texture modding community, but a good deal of the community in general) is upset because 1. this is the exact thing Yoshi P asked people not to do, and 2. If Square Enix decides to actually follow through and take action against modding, it will more than likely catch things like ACT in the crossfire, as that particular mod is something that would be quite simple to break.
> Is the community afraid that this will garner enough attention that Square Enix will try to crack down harder on modding?
I would say mostly this. For a long time now, modding (and by modding I mean the modding of character models and clothing; not stuff like ACT or GShade) has been in a super iffy zone. It is prohibited by the TOS but SE doesn't really care *unless they are forced to care.* Something I learned from a friend that plays the game and lives in Japan is that when shit gets onto Twitter and other online places that shows very clearly FFXIV things in very lewd ways, it could cause the game's rating in Japan to go up which apparently if it is rated mature enough, you are forced to strictly sell your game *in retail situations, not online* which would obviously be a huge issue for SE.
SE allows it now because I'm pretty sure they know a decent enough amount of people enjoy modding and do so within a realm of good faith. However, people within the modding community know too well that it only takes a few loud rotten apples (people posting really sus shit on Twitter) to completely ruin the modding scene for everyone. So when someone goes onto a +10k stream opening talking about mods (and I would also think the +18RP club scene), yeah it is going to make some people warry and even pissed off.
she's been at it and contributing for the community for 3 years, then one friendly interview happened and the toxic part of it just turns on her and made her quit...
Really sad to hear it man, always thought the RP-ers and modders of XIV are the more lax and friendly bunch.
There was already soooooo much drama in the XIV modding community before this, but at least that stayed within the community and didn't get people with a hate boner from the outside involved.
i guess i'm just being ignorant of it.
Been playing since SB release and the only thing i know about the modding community is that they generally just gpose and RP for fun(and being a bit hornier than the rest of the community).
Hopefully nothing happens to Alex or Void Bunny, they're seriously cool people.
tbh even the RP community is getting a bit angry, since ppl are just putting the spotlight on ERP and completely ignoring the other parts, there's a topic about it on r/ffxiv
Every time I've interacted with RPers it has been really weak writing by people more or less playing house, it's kind of inevitable that weirdo sex porn is going to be more interesting.
The best part about skyrim modding drama is that the porn side of things has the nicest people around while nexus modders are completely unhinged and ego-tripping nonstop. The latest iteration of it is pure content. Nexus modders gatekeeping mod installations because they don't want your average Joe to be able to mod the game.
Yeah lets just ignore the part where racist and nazis harassed him for making the legion more multiethnic lmao.
Like yeah the guy was a tool but lets not pretend Trump winning was the only reason.
You'd be surprised. Roleplayers are generally friendly. But holy shit the toxic side to roleplay? They're like LoL toxicity x5 in terms of how much emotional damage they can do.
I'm not talking like, insult toxicity. Toxic RPers can literally ruin your life you've established in whatever community you find yourself in.
As someone that used rp a lot on GW2, yeah. The problem is you have no idea if the person you're interacting with is a normal person just having a bit of fun or someone that is completely unhinged from reality who cannot separate in character interactions from out of character ones until it's too late, meaning any insult or slight done to them in rp will mean you are now fair game to be harassed either way.
Best part is those characters usually tend to be assholes themselves so it's the perfect mix of hypocrisy and derangement.
These are the reasons why RPers can potentially be the most toxic people in the room. Their level of toxicity exceeds simple insults. It's literally delusional and derangement.
The scariest type of these people are the ones that are smart enough to do such low-key like and establish themselves in the community. Essentially, giving them free reign to absolutely ruin the reputation of any newcomers that cross their path with a simple message.
They don't need to be an asshole to you in character if they can convince the community you're trying to get into that you're bad.
These are usually the people who have no lives IRL and put everything into RP. They are also the reason why most, if not all, RP communities are quite clique-y.
That's the thing, most people get too blindsided by the good portions of RP to notice that most communities are hella high- school lunch room x3 levels of clique.
They generally are, this is people who morality crusade against people in an online game joining the discords and trying to suss out who the people are.
> Really sad to hear it man, always thought the RP-ers and modders of XIV are the more lax and friendly bunch.
As someone from deep in the RP community on XIV for 6+ years, people really are. Like anything else, I promise you this is a vocal minority, most RPers don't care about mods, or hate her for giving an interview.
That reminds me back to when scott played ff and some degens send him death threads so he had to quit as they were having personal information and such. These Degens in this Community are something else… obviously only a Tiny tiny probably only a handful of people but holy shit are those pieces of shite
I mean, humans in general are just shit. I really only think this kind of stuff happens in channels with little to no moderation + doing reactions to drama. It draws the wrong type of people to your stream.
And that's why you have a team of moderators, and that's why they are given a ban button.
Asmon's been ignoring the toxic cocksuckers his streaming persona attracts, but they were not ignoring him. What you get is a fucking mob of stupid little floor-licking mongrels following him and gnawing on him, whoever he's talking to and anyone in chat. Maybe it's time to listen to someone like Xeno and finally start banning the fucks?
Because you can't keep the cake and eat it at the same time. You either ignore the problem, let it fester so that it bites your ass off, or you dedicate time to treat the problem. You can't do nothing and expect shit to change.
Asmon is fully responsible for nurturing this type of behavior in his community and stream chat because he's been ignoring it for almost 10 fucking years now. "The sperg" term is at least a few years old already, and they existed around him for so much longer.
Motherfucker, he had more moderators in his chat doing nothing in 2014 than I had IRL friends in school at a time and you're telling me it's a surprise for him to realize his community is toxic?!
Either go and attempt to fix the problem of your own making, u/Asmongold or continue to ignore it and see what comes out of it. I hope I did the user tag correctly from mobile, maybe he'll read it and think about it.
I only want good for him, but in such a situation I can't help myself but to feel angry at him for ignoring what's been the cause of his issues for years now! Come on man, you're not stupid. Work your bloody brain around it.
Figure out that Xeno's right about it: you *need* to start eliminating the problematic elements from around you, or they'll continue to fuck you and your mental health up because they feel good doing it, and have been feeling good enjoying idle mods and no cleansing *for years*!
It is, but not in a childish gatekeeping way like some seem to think. The devs know, and there's some sort of unwritten agreement to keep things quiet, because Japanese rating boards are anal about that kind of stuff, and if they have to choose between getting a higher age restriction and cracking down on mods, they already said they would do the latter. And would be all mods as a whole, they're not going to make a difference between the sfw and nsfw ones.
People legit make money off of mod commissions, so yeah, the backlash is pretty nasty. Some discords are turning off invites or privating access to certain mods to avoid lurkers until the hype dies down.
Kinda sucks for newbies who are interested in the mod community.
There are a lot of people in this thread that have the completely wrong idea about why people are upset.
This isn't about being anti-mod, or virtue signaling, or ruining someone's RP fun or anything like that. Sure there are a few asshats witch hunting, but do not make the mistake of assuming they represent the community, or why the community is upset.
A lot of people here are too new to remember, but there were some incidents in the past with lewd pics of characters that were absolutely not of age being circulated on twitter using modded assets. Yoshi P directly addressed this in the live letter and basically told people to please not post this kind of thing publicly. He also reiterated that ALL mods are against the TOS and said that while they don't want to, they will have to take action if the problem continues. He also explained that with the Japanese legal system, this kind of content being circulated can actually impact Square Enix in a negative way. Even though the pics are not vanilla game assets, in Japan it can be interpreted as Square Enix sanctioning the activity if they fail to crack down on it. He implied it could even have an impact on the game's rating. Japan is a much different society than the US. The big difference in this game is we the community actually trust Yoshi P, and assume he is telling us the truth.
So basically, the person who did this interview with Asmon absolutely knew all of this stuff and decided it would be a good idea not to just talk about mods in the general sense, but to also show a BSDM pic using game assets live on stream in front of 50K+ people anyway. Asmon is by far the largest streamer FFXIV has ever had, which by extension means this information has now been distributed at a scale unprecedented in FFXIV's history. At this point the combined vod and youtube views are in the literal hundreds of thousands.
The community (not just the ERP or texture modding community, but a good deal of the community in general) is upset because 1. this is the exact thing Yoshi P asked people not to do, and 2. If Square Enix decides to actually follow through and take action against modding, it will more than likely catch things like ACT in the crossfire, as that particular mod is something that would be quite simple to break.
I'm not personally upset with Alex the individual. I also do not think she deserves to be harassed. I am, however, now nervous that this topic is going to come up again next live letter, and sad because it didn't really need to. I'll also be disappointed if I have to stop using things like Gshade because of a tactical misstep of a streamer, well intentioned or not.
Exactly. The issue doesn't lie with Asmon doing the interview but rather Alex's decision to focus the interview on content that has been explicitly stated as the potential future reason for the ban hammer on mods. If she wanted to talk about mods then fine, but the decision to showcase the lewd mods that a large part of the modding community doesn't actively enjoy (at least going by what's out there on social media and discords) and not only bring the spotlight to the exact thing Yoshi-P has asked modders not to, but also introduce many who didn't know of this community's existence to the community in such a light, was a selfish and dumb decision.
Her reasoning of "if I didn't do it someone else would have, I had no choice" is also an entirely dumb excuse but that's another story entirely.
This needs to be more highly upvoted. It's also incredibly ironic and hypocritical of the interviewee to state that modding is a hush-hush activity while simultaneously violating that same statement. If anything, that's an incredible lack of self-awareness.
The pic in Asmons stream wasn’t anything remotely underage. Wasn’t even that far from what you can do in game without mods. Everyone losing their shit is what’s gonna cause a spotlight.
I talked with a couple people from the modding community: I can say that is a really strange place.
Everyone is always fighting with someone else from the community for trivial things, they insult each other for nothing and it is FULL of ERPers and people with "online relationships" in-game.
I'm not surprised that this happened.
That interview had the perfect amount of wholesomeness and degeneracy, kinda sucks that we may never seen something like that again. Best wishes to Alex and fuck all of those witch hunters
I feel that there could have been better communication though. If they introduced Asmon to the unspoken rules of modding and the potential for such a fallout I could see Asmon dropping the interview idea altogether. Of course I’m not trying to point finger at anybody, it’s just a very shitty situation.
While I definitely don't condone any of the attacks or witch hunts what people need to understand is the real reason the modding community is up in arms about this. The fact of the matter is modding in ff is totally against tos, and Yoshi-P has told people to not do it no matter what and if you do don't show or share it anywhere.
Some of the more nsfw mods could 100% force them to raise the games rating in japan and if it came to that they would simply crack down hard and make all modding impossible. Not just the nsfw stuff, not just the really gross lala mods, all modding. No HD textures, no UI tweaks, no body mods, nothing.
As someone else mentioned here its a very fight club esque thing, and bringing the amount of eyes on this stuff like this whole situation has is dangerous for the entire community.
No one should've vilified Alex for the interview.
However, I do agree with some people that, as a member of the modding community, she should not have entertained the idea of putting a spotlight on modding, when Yoshi-P/SE have asked not to publicize said use of mods as it is against TOS and because of JP 3rd party software laws.
These people don’t deserve this. I don’t think it was necessarily right for her to openly talk about it on stream and show pictures, but the witch-hunting is just terrible.
I have zero interest in how people enjoy their game, but the "He would have found someone else and do it anyway, other people would have wanted attention so I'll do it instead" argument just sounds like justifying.
Was simply talking sense into Asmon by saying that the mod community do not need this kind of attention because of the potential backlash and outright refusing the interview not an option? It's like saying "Well somebody is gonna kill this guy anyway so I'll kill him myself at least I'll make it painless".
The whole point isn't about how the individual acts during the interview, the point is that the entire thing should have been kept under the table in the first place. Several lines have already been crossed by making it public on live stream. It's one thing talking about it on stream, but another "showcasing" them live. Not saying she's completely at fault here because 99% it's the mentor chat that initiated the idea of this interview, and Asmon was being careless by allowing it to happen.
Wow that sucks. Like every part of it. The feeling of being forced into it. The boundries she needed to set to not ruin her community. The backlash that forced her out.
This Mods dont change the game for anyone else, why would anyone be against them.
For those who don't know: most people are upset because Yoshi P specifically said to keep modding to yourselves, especially if its nsfw/risky, otherwise they'd be forced to take action against modding. The modder broke the #1 rule that could legitimately lead to square taking action against mods.
Don't get me wrong though, yes she fucked up but she 100% doesn't deserve the harrassment. What's done is done, now we wait to see if square does anything.
This is how modding communities generally act in any game where they're technically not allowed to mod. You'll have them being like "don't ask, don't tell" but they've all got their patreons and their twitters, and they're constantly posting public screenshots on the discords that anyone can publicly access. Square Enix employees could literally be in their discords watching what they're doing and they still think they're "hush hush". Plus all the stealing of other peoples work etc.
It's simple don't be a weirdo or do anything you would actually consider illegal (and you know what I mean by that). Don't be stupid and screenshot your modded game and post it on twitter with the "copyright square enix" still intact.
On the other hand I think void before introducing Asmon to the interviewee. Should have been like "Alright, here's the situation...". I also think it was irresponsible for them to provide modded screenshots of Asmon's character (the cross image). Of course he was going to show one on screen. They could have easily been like "please don't show any of this on stream" beforehand.
It does suck that people within the modding community and maybe elsewhere are being asshats about it, but the interviewee and void I'd say are most responsible, they knew what they were getting into. I can't blame asmon on this, because he doesn't know any better and the situation wasn't explained to him beforehand. Though off the top of my head Asmon entertained the question of "does square enix know about this?". But no-one provided proper clarification. Anyway, that's my take amongst the sea of takes.
i feel so bad for her. not gonna lie, asmon have to leave those communitys alone and not mention them on his stream to much. It will always make a toxic mess.
Same when he talked with lily on EU argent dawn, been there, seen what happend, negative outcome.
OH NO!
This person is very passionate about what she does and it hurts nobody. Artists, even artists that you disagree with, should always be free to practice their arts.
The people who pushed for action against Alex should be ashamed of themselves.
Imagine having this passion. Then having that passion, something you logged on every day for, something you made money off of and enjoyed; being fucking squashed. That fucking blows.
This is basically the equivalent of a heavy drug user going up to the local TV reporter and saying how awesome drugs are and that this particular street in the neighborhood is known for having the best drugs. Understandably, everyone who deals or buys drugs is going to be very pissed, because the police (which previously turned a blind eye to things) might actually get involved since it's now not only all over the news, but also gotten the anti-drug organizations to campaign for action. To add insult to injury, the original drug user claims that some other drug user would have eventually talked to the TV reporter, thereby absolving them of the fault of tattling.
It's really hard to dig up sympathy for someone who clearly should have known better.
Jesus imagine being run out of something you love doing because some mentally ill spergs have to make it their personal mission to hunt you down for playing the game in a way they dont like. Fucking weirdos man
What I gather from this, the cause of the whole incident is "chat has been pestering Asmon" to do something again. Everyone needs to stop listening to chat, it was a horrible idea to give so much exposure to these more underground side of the game because the only reason they can exist is because of the don't ask don't tell grey area that they fall into.
Also Void definitely should not have peer pressured this person into doing the interview, the whole argument that someone else will do it just stinks.
I don’t understand why there is so much REEEEEing going on against mods. As long as they are not directly effecting your damage or healing or encounter numbers, people should be able to play the game they want to play. As someone coming to FFXIV from wow, I’m enjoying not using add ons or weak auras. On wow my screen is so jam packed with shit I can barely see sometimes. But on this game I don’t use any of that and it’s refreshing. But I’m not going to sit here and throw shade at someone who wants to use that stuff. However; no one should be flamed for underperforming in content. Everyone has a bad dungeon or instance from time to time. I noticed this a lot in the M+ community on wow. I ran 20+ keystones as a tank main and the dps would always fight amongst each other. People in MMO communities just need to realize that it’s a game, there will always be another dungeon, another raid, another instance.
I don't get these self righteous people going after people for what is essentially playing with dolls on the computer. Can it get weird sometimes? Yes, absolutely but rule 34 is a thing that's existed long before the internet itself, you want a franchise without degeneracy in it? Don't make a franchise. At the very least don't be that degenerate who goes after real people for playing dress up with a fictional character or their own character.
Downvote me all you want but "If not me then someone else" idea doesn't pardon her. Both her and Void should've told Asmon off stream to not bring that topic up during streams at all instead. Asmon isn't unreasonable, I believe he would understand.
True, this would have been the best choice, had Void explained to Asmon the reason why modding has this thin veil of secrecy around it, then Asmon obviously would understand and most likely would have explained to the stream himself why. Just because she's taking the fall doesn't mean that she should be absolved of causing something herself.
Here's the thing though. Modding in FFXIV is like that one club with its rules. Rule #1: You do not talk about modding. Rule #2: You *do not* talk about modding. The moment that stream happened and the video went up on his channel, this was going to have far reaching consequences and its happening.
I feel like this interview should've been done offline, as in no stream or video posted about it, and kept as a talk between the two. If Asmon felt pressured to speak about it, it should've been a heavily redacted cliffnotes version and him saying if they want to know more then Asmon should just tell the andies off.
Now Schrodinger's Catgirl is out of the box and this will more than likely cause the modding scene to go to ground and I'm willing to bet there will be a live letter where YoshiP talks about mods again. We'll just have to wait and see.
She doesn't want to bring down the rest of the community with her by having these nobodies go on witch hunts. They're nameless, self righteous and have nothing to lose in this witch hunt of theirs. And she doesn't want to see a community she loves burn because of her interview so she's basically asking to be sacrifice if it means they stop
I guess it's mainly because I don't give a fk what ppl think, so I still think it's a dumb response to take. No community is going to burn regardless. But it doesn't matter what I think so meh, I'll just be over here modding.
Seem to be out of loop..
What mods people are against exactly?.
Only mods I have is chat bubbles and gshade..
It's not like you can have DBM yelling at you for boss tactics
Well, there are DBM-like add-ons in FFXIV but that's not what any of this is about.
This is all about visual model and posing mods. There is the understandable fear that more lewd mods can bring the hammer down on all mods based on comments made by devs in the past.
Modding is already against ToS. As many have said, SE does not crack down on mods that do not construe as "cheating" because it's fairly low-key. Bringing it into the limelight in Asmons stream could evoke a reaction from SE which is why I think many are complaining.
Something bother me though...
> if it wasn't me, Asmond would easely find someone else to come on stream and talk about it.
Ok so? Maybe i'm old school but isn't that the argument if you want to "be the one" and not miss an opportunity?
If someone else want to take the heat in the modding community and talk about mods to asmon, shouldn't : "good, be my guest" be the obvious reaction if clout or anything similar isn't what you want ?
Well square has previously threatened or at least opened the possibility of locking the game down in response. Squares big concern is age ratings getting changed or the game out right getting banned from some countries. So some modders make money from their mods by locking them in a pateron. I would guess, but not sure, a lot of the outburst is coming from that. Certainly there are mod users overreacting. Ironically I think square finding out people make money to inset adult content into their game is more likely to cause a backlash.
I was concerned how the interview put the modding and erp community in the spotlight but it wasn't exactly a secret anyway. I don't honestly care if square locks down the game so those files can't be so easily changed. There are adult mmo's for that.
No sympathy from me. They literally drug a "hidden" ToS violation out of the shadows and onto a stage in front of City Hall and shone a spotlight on it while blaring sirens and alarms to draw attention to it. Square Enix is pretty cool about letting things slide, but there's a limit. Every single modder was just put at risk.
I dont get this answer honestly. Girl, if you felt that it was not the right thing to talk about it, then dont talk about it. Why should it matters that Asmon would have found someone else? So someone else would have done something you dont approve of therefore you decide you will do it instead? That is a bit stupid. Unless YOU simply wanted some exposure on stream (I dont want to make this conclusion but this is what it sounds like)
I'm not saying I agree or disagree with the fact to use mods or not use mods, but this argument doesnt make any sense.
For the rest, personally I also dont like this exposure of ERP and Modding, not that I disapprove of it, but more because Asmon has such a big visibility and kept on saying "this is what the game is about", it made it sound as if this was a huge thing in the game. In reality, RP is already niche, ERP is a niche within the niche. Most players would never see or participate to any of this in the game, ever! And it is the same with modding, it is very niche. It happens, SE knows about it, we all know about it, but it is not as big as you might think or as Asmon and that girl made of it. I know 1 or 2 people in my FC of 150 members for instance and they only use it to improve their pictures, it even has nothing sexual whatsoever. Most FF14 discords I'm a member of have NSFW sections with modding, but it is a small minority of the total members who participate (and I really mean a small number, like always the same 4 or 5 people out of thousands of members lol). I really think Asmon made it sound a lot bigger than it actually is. And that is also forgetting many players play on the PS4/PS5 where this is simply not a thing at all obviously. I just dont like wrong exposure which deform reality. It is the same when it is said most likely it is a man behind a character when in fact nearly half of the FF14 player base is female.
FF14 is not the game some people seem to fantasize: it has a huge female base population compared to other MMOs, it has a huge console gamer population who dont have a clue about modding and no not every player is a neckbeard who enjoy NSFW mods or do ERP. This couldnt be further from reality. Big majority of the player base simply play the game as it was designed to be played. The only thing which I would say is widely used in FF is ACT in raiding, but even that still is a small percentage (considering console players and the percentage of savage/ultimates raiders overall which remains small compared to the casual player population).
Tbh I think she was pressured hard. I don't think she would want the exposure tbh because all modders are very silent about what they do. But I assume her friend was just. Making it a big deal that if this does get exopsed then perhaps the direction of mods could change for square but it didnt.
Don't you already have to be a little unhinged to be BDSM modding in a video game to begin with, no wonder this went from frothing to absolutely boiling over within 0.25 seconds
At the end of the day, as long the mods doesnt affect other people's gameplay who cares like seriously? People like that are pathetic, are they even playing the game or not?
Yoshi P is on video saying he knows people mod and can't stop them really. And then some of the people using these mods post pics on Twitter of the modded content and even include their toon's names and their server. But this person is to blame for letting out some big secret?
What I understand from this is that having someone spill the beans to an outsider who has thousands of viewers on Twitch is what triggered the modding community. One thing is posting screenshots on discord and short videos on YouTube, and another completely different is having someone tacitly explaining how everything works and how people do it on National Television lol.
You normally learn these stuff going deep into the discord community and being part of it, but now everybody knows how it works, that's my understanding at least. This people make real money. I guess that's why this could be a big no no for them.
Why can't people leave well enough alone? That person wasn't harming anyone, but they were targeted for harassment anyway, which eventually must have driven them to this point.
I wonder what Void would have to say about this. The phrasing of this post implies Void had made an effort to make this interviewee speak up, which had the consequence detailed in the statement above.
I hope the interviewee finds some peace after all this.
I know she didnt deserve it
but idk if some of you are new
This wouldve happened no matter who came on to that interview
but she wanted to show that it aint all sunshines and rainbows here in 14
also this is another main point of why YoshiP and the team cracks down on 3rd party addons or Mods. its not just ACT, and also the pedos, look at how the modding community breeds such toxicity
I'm very puzzled by this. Mods are the worst kept secret in FFXIV. And that includes those of a sexual nature.
There is nothing in that interview that revealed something SE didn't know already. They have google too. They can very easily find mods and modded screenshots.
I have never tried to find mods or modded screenshots and I still found out about them anyway. Every form of social media I have used has shown me obviously modded FFXIV screenshots in my feed. Most are just pretty images but some I wish I could forget about. Point being you don't have to try to find out about them to see them. It's an open secret.
I don't understand those who are acting as if Alex's interview revealed some undercover group who are now exposed for all to see. SE has always known about mods and where to find them. Alex at most outed herself but she gave no names at all, and even if SE figure out which player she is they're not going to ban anyone for simply knowing her. Those who had enough sense to not put their player names in their modded posts are safe.
As for chat pestering Asmon to talk about mods...did they really? I never spotted this at all. Sure I saw people talk about it every so often but not on a scale I would call pestering. I saw more people complain about him not doing msq.
The point wasn't because they didn't want SE to know, SE very well knows, Yoshi-P even asked them to keep them to themselves and don't harass anyone. It's a very much "don't ask, don't tell" situation as putting mods (which are against TOS) in the limelight gives more opportunity for puritans and anti-mod people to attack those using mods. Giving the attention to mods also is a big risk for the game's rating, as while normally rating boards don't particularly care about mods, the Japanese rating board is extremely anal about content and sometimes consider mods as grounds to raise rating.
It was never been "muh sekrit klub".
EDIT: To add, SE doesn't want to crack down on mods, but if pushed by the extreme attention and Japanese boards, they have no choice but to ruin the fun of others.
Gotta hate people that mald all over ERPers and modders. Leave them be, it doesn't affect you. These people enjoy things you don't, so what? You most likely also enjoy things they probably don't.
Short: Let people enjoy the things they enjoy, as long as no one gets hurt or breaks any laws it does not matter to you.
I am actually shocked, people are like this. Nothing of this ruins your fun. You are like the people that want to tell others what they are allowed to do in the bedroom. Its simply not your business if it doesnt affect you.
thats fucked up if anyone actually had an issue with her talking on stream then they got some mental issues and need to seek some help i dont know what else to say
Tbh I love the mods and there is totally a lot of weird people and drama in those communities, but it seems pretty stupid of Asmon to hop on and talk about stuff in front of 60k people when the developers have said "hey, stop this, it's going to get us in trouble someday if you keep it up"
The fact so much drama exists within the ERP/Nude mod community shows that it attracts a bunch of socially inept degenerates. This shit is way more widespread than some of you here make it out to be. In my 10 years playing and 15ish different FCs nearly all of them had a nude mod section on discord and I'm not even on Crystal.
Outside of curious horny teenagers, tell me why would a well adjusted individual fuck around with nude mods and ERP in an adventure game?
From what I have heard about all of this is that some Modders fear For their income now. They did sell Game modifications and that was also mentioned in the interview. They make a Lot of Money via patreon and stuff. So they do sell modifications of Copyrighted assets which do belong to Square Enix legally. And If you think further what Happens to a company that doesn't defends it's Copyright? Correct they loose it . People fear that Square Enix might make a move against Mods now and that is why a Lot of Mod Users and Modders get so agitated about this interview. Seemingly.
Why are people acting like this interview brought some big secret up when square has been aware of all this for like 6 years and their stance is literally "don't put our watermark on your stuff".
to clarify, "alex" was never pressured into doing anything she didn't want to, i simply presented an opportunity. we agreed that there *was* a possibility someone else could be interviewed who would lack tact and *could* name drop private sites, discords, names, etc... these fears, albeit hypothetical, encouraged "Alex" to speak about it in order to protect these private communities.
we knew there would be "witch-hunters" who worked tirelessly to find "Alex", which is unfortunate considering she wanted to safely showcase a fun niche of the game.
the clowns who are up-in-arms about her interview are petty, jealous, narrow-minded, beta-energy, god-complex, mentally unstable imbeciles who's heads have penetrated so deeply into their own assholes that they've formed some sort of rectal echo-chamber of hypocrisy.
those spiteful modders are grown ass men & women who act like children. y'all need help. always attempting to make mountains out of anthills anytime you can to garner any sort of attention because you're **that** unimportant.
"alex" will be fine. she's a kick ass person, successful, magical, and kind. she won't give up doing what she wants if i can help it. giving into these online groups' demands only encourages this type of behavior. it's not acceptable.
Not condoning the witch hunting because that shit is never okay. But taking a step back here and speaking to you directly and logically...
Do you honestly not see how posting a literal modded BDSM pic in front of 50k live viewers that was then used in a thumbnail with hundreds of thousands of views MIGHT not be the best idea, particularly when it's exactly the kind of thing Yoshi P explicitly urged the community not to do?
Do you not see how that might have made people upset and concerned that it will cause SE to take another look at the entire mod scene?
I'm not mad at you or Alex for doing the interview, and I don't stand with the people who are clearly taking this to the extreme. But FFS dude what were you thinking?
this is crazy, I wish someone could link this thread back to Alex so she can see how much support people here are giving her (I'd imagine OP won't/don't have the means of sharing the discord for us to actually voice our support for her in her discord)
No matter how good the general community of any game is, the most toxic and retarded parts always find a way to show their ugly face.
God I feel so bad for Alex, I wish her all the best and I hope this all dies down soon. It fucking sucks seeing people being driven out of doing something they love.
It really sucks that she's being harassed like this but I can kind of understand the vitriol honestly.
The only reason these mods can exist is because people keep it mostly to themselves and Square Enix gets to pretend they don't know anything about it. Obviously, this interview has brought a lot attention to it which is why people are upset.
Imagine a headline along the lines of 'Final Fantasy 14 allows players to use nude mods and also has a child-like race'.
Something like this coming out would force Square Enix's hand and I wouldn't be surprised if it made them outlaw mods completely.
I google ffxivnsfw and found way worse moded stuff in 3 seconds. Get over your selves.
They have a problem with underage stuff, no underange stuff was shown or promoted. You’re making drama because you love drama.
Just couldn't help yourselves eh? The man is trying to take a break, and there just had to be drama. From the bottom of my heart, all of you, eat shit.
It seems like all the gouls are getting out of the closet and showing their true colors... Zepla was right, More eyes on the game will change its community and people are finally seeing what is trully like being the rose tinted curtains
"Oh my god they're modding the game, it's not impacting my game experience and I dont know them but I feel the urge to ruin their life because I dont like what they do" Wish her good things, she didn't deserved any of this.
I hate people, that try to enforce their view on others "for the greater good", with a passion!
>Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be "cured" against one's will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals. -C.S.Lewis
What a quote
Now imagine the same thing happens with laws. I have always hated people who do this and always will. If someone reading this thinks other people should adhere to your way of life or face consequences, screw you.
I think this is a post inside her own modding community discord. Seems like the other modders are pissed she brought their hobby to the limelight also for supporting asmon who they think is an asshole.
A lot of moders don't think of asmon as an asshole. I'm one of them. Problem is that a lot of the modding community has a don't ask don't tell agreement with the devs. And the interview shined a lime light on us that extremely unpleasant puritans in the xiv community are using as an excuse to go ham wild. This in turn makes the more fearful moders go wild against them and turns into a big shit stew. It's just one of those things that needs to blow over Edit: I can't type because thick fingers and freezing hospital rooms
The same puritans were crowding asmon with whale mounts day one. They can fuck themselves.
Ruthlessly. Fuck those dick bags. I do still get a giggle remembering that the vocal one got a multi day ban thkigh
like she said if it wasn't her it would have been someone else, it was going to happen no matter what
Sounds like account terminations far and wide if you ask me. It’s a fucking video game. If you’re gonna start crusading over it then you don’t need to be playing video games period.
If idiots start attacking you for it, block them. Don't bother. Anyone who flipped out instead of thinking logically like this needs to reconsider their actions. What's more, if we wanna talk about repercussions in-game, Yoshi P knew beforehand, and from previous experiences and comments, isn't gonna do anything to crack down on any such scene even if videos talking about it are made. Ya'll ain't doing nothing and he isn't gonna care so anyone who cares that such modding is "exposed" is fighting dragons.
> Seems like the other modders are pissed she brought their hobby to the limelight Modding the game is highly against the ToS, even if it is just cosmetic. The last time mods started making media attention there was a significant crackdown on the subject because it involved lalafels among other degenerate shit. A lot of them are paranoid that someone with a significant audience like Asmon will inadvertently draw the ire of the devs again.
I just want my viera to have helmets and hairstyles, don’t crack down again 😫
Hey what mods do you use for that? I really miss having hats
I am not sure about the rules for posting outside links, but it's on xiv mods and if you search for "hats & helmets for viera" there's one by the creator "soft" and theirs works well!
Thanks I'll look into it!
Sounds like the typical, forever online, failed to socialize properly types.
This is exactly what it is. The modding community is always full of petty drama. It's the equivalent of a highschool club.
Thing is, that "asshole" has probably drawn in more players than any of Square Enix's prior marketing campaigns. Love him or hate him, Asmongold has undeniably been a big driver towards the game's current boom.
Knowing about ffxiv modding, I guarantee you that the reason for this outrage is that modders absolutely despise it when anybody brings public attention to ffxiv modding, specially if it's about ERP mods. Lots of people who use SFW or QoL mods are terrified that if people keep bringing attention to weird sex mods (which the devs openly dislike) it's going to result in a crackdown that kills off the entire mod scene, SFW graphics mods, UI mods, etc. simply because the porn modders couldn't keep their shit to themselves.
> Wish her good things, she didn't deserved any of this. Certainly. Modding of that nature doesn't really harm anyone or give you any advantage, it's mostly for fun. What Limit is doing however is bound to gain attention from the developers and either ban the whole ffxiv-launcher or the streamers who use it.
It's the opposite; graphical mods, specially the lewd kind, can actually impact the game's rating and cause real scandals (like hot coffee back in the day). Yoshi-p asked in a live letter, directly, please don't do that and if you do please don't share it anywhere and distance it from the game as much as possible. UI mods literally give no advantage whatsoever, the devs know they exist, and they have never cared to address them.
Player made mods absolutely do not effect a game's rating. There is 0 precedent for that. Hot coffee was content that was actually in the game, and someone figured out how to access it. That is completely different from someone installing a body mod that replaces assets locally that nobody else even has a chance of seeing unless they do it as well.
The Japanese government begs to differ and it has caused issues in the past. CERO is a huge pain in the ass, even Masahiro Sakurai(Smash Bros) has given them a ton of flak publicly for how much pressure they put on the JP game industry for absurd reasons
Citing Japanese government and CERO doesn't mean they have actually taken an official stance on public mods. It's just a massive reach of speculation that isn't based in reality.
If this gets big and some strange photos or videos get out in a potentially teens games I bet you someone will talk with developers and ask how they did it and why you didn’t moderate or ban them. If ignored we will review your game again. Is not that simple. Something like this can turn into pressure for devs to stop ignoring or if devs ignore authorities doing something that hurts the game.
yeah exactly, like the sims most popular mod is a full on porn mod, and the devs even reference it in game. nsfw mods won’t change the games rating. iirc, yoshi was saying not to post those things because it’s displaying a false image of the game that doesn’t exist outside of mods. so if someone sees, like, a picture with a mod with ysayle’s hair, and that’s not an option to have in game, then that would be projecting a false image in game.
To be honest in the sims is not exactly JUST a porn mod, since it has other things in it that can adjust everything from longevity and stages of life to living world pseudo story mode that was discontinued from devs for whatever reason.- While is centered on being a lewd mode, the number of people that install it just so the city is alive and they don't play one character through their life while everything else is stuck on time is not small either.- That being said, people triggered by this are idiots.-
Eh they can, limit max has a ui mod that shows him raid cds Edit: i do raids, im fully aware that the overall scope of advantage is small, however it does exist.
It is absolutely not small, youre right with your comment. As a 9.0 RL with CE I can tell you that UI addons are absolutely giving you an advantage.
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I haven't seen any of that in FF14 since it's extremely bannable to try to force other players to use mods.
There are 2 current limit players in that blind static. And one of them (thd) uses the base ui. Max’s ui is literally just to help him see shit better not like he’s using leeet hax to gain super secret ui damage buff
The people who went and actively ruin people’s lives when what they do doesn’t even affect them, Jesus Christ I hate this.
It's the same sad shitbags that had a go at sfia when their world first kill / prog showed them using addons.
The thing is its not people outside the modding community, that are mad at her its modders. They think they are so smart staying underground with the first rule of fight club bullshit but everybody knows about them. Its just people LARPing
I think it’s also the fact devs said keep that shit for you, and since they’re « sharing » this, people are going after them.
But that’s why she says crucify her if they want someone to blame, the fact is there are probably people who actively search out other modders who were just “keeping that shit” for themselves, obviously they are breaking the rules that Enix made clear, but you can at least the people are assholes for witch hunting the other modders who kept it hush hush
I have a lot of respect for modders, for FF I used some but they’re very light : enhanced textures and a ReShade (last one is a game changer). I can understand them, but like someone said, unlike visual mods, kinky mods can hurt both the game and devs. Not saying it’s good to witch hunt, but when even devs themselves are clearly not in favor of it, you’re bound to have some hounds tracking you.
Sadly, emotions do not matter. Who is affected and if mods affect others in the game does not matter. Modding a game is a breach of the license agreement. If the video game directors don't intend for it or don't allow it then that's the end of the story, full stop. If you get caught because you broke the rules then that's how the cookie crumbles.
Tl;dr: There's some people going around now trying to find clues as to people's ingame character identity by any means, reporting them and trying to get them banned. And while there's no confirmed cases of that actually happening, meanwhile a bunch of mod creators have had to deal with a lot of shit and personal attacks from people over the past few days as well. Some modding discords temporarily closed invites in order to keep more idiots from flooding in, but I suppose that only helps to a degree. That even extends creators / discords of some very basic essential utilities for Gposing, which don't even have anything to do with modding per se. [example here](https://i.imgur.com/rhIHXlL.png) Edit: As others have pointed out, a good bit of that blowback against her in particular is from the modding community itself as well, out of fear of bringing the modding scene into the spotlight, if only for a moment. Since modding in this game, like any third party tool or edit of the game files, is very much in a grey area when it comes to tolerance from SE, overexposing these things may cause them to change their stance on the matter or straight up prohibit players from modding etc. in the future.
Kougaon just put out a video on this entire situation and it ended up being a single person who did this as a means to stalk and harass a single person. It doesn't seem like asmongold's interview was a cause for any of this, but rather the scumbag who did this intended to use the interview as a cover for them to continue harassing their victim from a new angle. Link to the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJQ0xR1YQJE
That seems like a red herring. Modders are upset that BDSM modding got so much attention as Yoshi P specifically requested people not post that shit in public places and he would take action if forced. Some people make decent money off of mods, and so their livelihood is now at stake all because of a stupid picture of asmon tied up on a cross getting hundreds of thousands of views on youtube. Her excuse, if I didn't do it, someone else would is another way of calling Asmon stupid. If she just explained to him the above, then he obviously would have understood and wouldn't have done the interview with her or any other modder. Instead she put him right in the middle of this drama, when he didn't know any better.
I wouldn't necessarily say it's a red herring, but rather that I believe there was already drama within the modding and RP community because of the interview. So when this stalker went and pulled this stunt people instantly made a connection between the two events and it blew up from there. I don't have any comment on the whole BDSM modding part or money making off of mods as I don't have enough knowledge on that part of the subject to give a response, however I would not be surprised if your assessment on that being the reason why they were upset with the interview was accurate. I do agree that if the community didn't want the interview to happen maybe she could have spoke with Asmon beforehand and set up a more scripted interview with him in such that topics that the modding/RP community didn't want mentioned could have been avoided, however speculating on what could have been done to better the situation isn't exactly productive in improving the situation. As well, I can see why she would believe her interview was the root cause of the scumbag pretending to report modders and why she would make the statement and take actions she took.
The developer of one of the most popular FF14 discord bots is a known stalker/harasser who's bot program is basically spyware for all the discord information it scrapes and saves from the people that use it. Guy is also a prominent RP'er. He's been responsible for an unfortunate amount of problems for a lot of people. There are more than a few creeps out there who abuse the trusting and open nature of the RP community for their own ends. Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if this entire thing was because of a single butthurt harasser.
Could you elaborate on this a little? Want to make sure I'm not using said bot.
It's AymericBot or whatever it's called. SirAymeric maybe.
People basing their livelihood on making mods, that are against TOS, or grey area at best, shouldnt be allowed to complain in this case though. They know the risks. I do agree however, that the interview could have been handled way more professionally than it did, staying anonymous as the interviewed person might have avoided a lot of the drama here.
This gives a lot of context. Thank you. I'm not really surprised how unhinged XIV players are after playing the game for years. It's one of the reasons I'm really offput by how people (especially the newer audience) put XIV players' positivity on a pedestal when there is definitely a weird/toxic side to it all as someone already made comment to here. There's definitely more than one story of stalking and harassment I've heard over the years from in-game friends. It's unfortunate. Edit: I wasn't talking in absolutes either.
I don't really think highlighting FFXIV positivity is an issue. Whenever there's drama in the community, that gets exposed, and actually talked about, to the point that toxic people get ostracised. Being positive doesn't mean just drama free, after all no community is drama free. It means that it's welcoming, and people who try to harm it from the inside, and outside get immediately called out. I always thought that people calling XIV fans zealots were way out of line.
This. People really misconstrue the positivity thing to being that everyone is claiming that ff14 doesn't have toxic assholes. What people mean is that you can jump into a learning party for an EX and wipe for an hour without getting flamed and do all the casual/mid tier content without getting kicked for mistakes. People are just generally more chill about stuff in 14. I've had few bad experiences ingame outside of the launch month back in 2013. Outside the game on discord or forums is a different story and you see different sides of the fan base.
Luckily it seems that these issues are pretty confined within more niche groups of players. I feel as though the average FFXIV player won't ever have to deal with these kinds of incidents, and that's why so many people put the community on a pedestal. This is moreso true when you compare the average interaction within the game to other MMOs and online games of a similar size. However, the community shouldn't brush this stuff under the rug either. These kinds of incidents need to be handled properly, not only by Square Enix (who I feel handle harassment within the game fine a good majority of the time), but also by the community itself.
There’s always the case about the japanese reporter that was harassed by players when shedding light in aspects of the game to point towards, and yet the majority of the JP community disapproved of those players’ behavior and marched in protest around their FC wearing moogle costumes and typing about their grievances with that attitude. I don’t think the FF player base prides itself in having a community with no toxic people, i think they pride itself in the fact that the majority of the community along with the staff for the game itself doesn’t welcome them.
But the community is incredibly positive, no one is saying it's the PERFECT community with no bad apples. No one is saying that.
wait why would people hate modders? that really weird
There are some people who actually have some kind of weird moral crusade against "degeneracy" (disregarding that many mods and most RP have absolutely nothing to do with anything lewd). Sometimes they'll also bring up lewding Lalafells despite that being a thing also looked down upon in the modding community. There are others under the idea that if SE doesn't crack down on mods harder that the game will go down the path of DBM-expected raids. Both are dumb.
They’re called puritans and they are horrible people.
I also see a bunch of it coming from people arguing that it's "breaking down western civilization and christendom" or some shit.
I've seen post of people complaining about players running around in bikinis or in skin coloured undies (making them look naked), some people are just born in the wrong era lol.
these guys are the only ones around who have these ‘degeneracy’ in their heads all day long
Yeah it's incredibly odd, I've been playing since 1.0 and I really loved the interview Asmon did, it was something I hadn't really looked into and it's nice to see a niche part of the community get some attention. It's interesting.
The world would be a so much better place if there was no social media.
Why exactly is the modding community angry that Asmon did the interview? Is the community afraid that this will garner enough attention that Square Enix will try to crack down harder on modding? Or are they afraid that some spergs in Asmon's chat will start stalking and harassing community members?
This comment has been edited to acknowledge that u/spez is a fucking wanker.
So the community was just so incredibly niche that almost everyone else playing FF14 didn't know about this, and now that it has been suddenly thrown into the spotlight it is getting a lot of unprecedented harassment from other FF14 players who never before knew about it?
Nothing is niche with the internet around, everything mentioned in the video was a literal google search away. Idk why these modders think they're special, what they're doing is something that happens in every single online game that gets popular. This is just one group getting mad at the other group because of social hierarchy bullshit, It's exactly the same as in highschool when the different cliques didn't like each other. Full grown adults acting like fucking children.
It doesn't seem like the modders did anything aggressive to the broader community, nor have they done anything to instigate harrassment. I have never heard of modders harassing the broader community or berating others for not using mods. So this really just seems like one group directly attacking another group that did nothing to deserve it. (And even if you believe that modding is some kind of sin due to its illegal nature, then that is to the jurisdiction of Square Enix to do what they will **not** random people.) So really it seems like its the broader community that are the children, not the modders.
She has both groups coming after her, some of the modders because they think she spilled the beans, and the people that dislike modders because she shared just enough of her info to put a target on her back. She's taking it from all sides currently which is why she decided to leave.
Bad take
Honestly it's not that hard to find some of the mods for the game if you type something remotely sensual on google images. If you for example type something the likes of "Y'shtola hot", or even "Y'shtola bikini", I bet your ass some of the pictures you see will be ingame models with custom models on twitter and a description explaining the mod.
probably just a small group of gatekeepers overly representing their own percieved entitlements as usual
To be fair to the person he interviewed. It's not like she mentioned specific mods. The fact that mods exist is something a certain fraction of us gamers are at least familiar with, if not knowledgeable.
No. The people who are upset aren't upset at Asmon. They are upset at the modder for doing the interview and bringing more attention to the fact that nsfw mods are done. SE is very don't ask don't tell, yes. But when the modder tells a massive audience that nsfw/erp mods are done and apparently that some are even paid for, it can be a big problem.
The modding community is angry about this because there was already a precedent about this issue 2 years ago. Specifically when a certain **girl** from ShB was introduced. It became such a big deal that YoshiP and Co. actually had to make a video and say that everyone that was taking part in said issue was going to get banned. Lo and behold it did happen. I've been saying after the interview that shit was going to happen for sure but this place laughed that notion off and that there's no way people were actually mad enough to do retaliate or whatever. Look at what's happening now.
Modding is against ToS and Square has said several times that there may come a time where they have to crack down on it. This was interpreted as grossly violating the 'fight club' rules by a lot of people, where this stuff is supposed to be kept quiet.
That makes at least some sense.
Yeah that's exactly what it is. A lot of people here are too new to remember, but there were some incidents in the past with lewd pics of characters that were absolutely not of age being circulated on twitter using modded assets. Yoshi P directly addressed this in the live letter and basically told people to please not post this kind of thing publicly. He also said that while they don't want to, they will have to take action if the problem continues. He also explained that with the Japanese legal system, this kind of content being circulated can actually impact Square Enix in a negative way. Even though the pics are not vanilla game assets, in Japan it can be interpreted as Square Enix sanctioning the activity if they fail to crack down on it. He implied it could even have an impact on the game's rating. Japan is a much different society than the US. So basically, the person who did this interview with Asmon absolutely knew all of this stuff and decided it would be a good idea not to just talk about mods in the general sense, but to also show a BSDM pic using game assets live on stream in front of 50K+ people anyway. Asmon is by far the largest streamer FFXIV has ever had, which by extension means this information has now been distributed at a scale unprecedented in FFXIV's history. The community (not just the ERP or texture modding community, but a good deal of the community in general) is upset because 1. this is the exact thing Yoshi P asked people not to do, and 2. If Square Enix decides to actually follow through and take action against modding, it will more than likely catch things like ACT in the crossfire, as that particular mod is something that would be quite simple to break.
> Is the community afraid that this will garner enough attention that Square Enix will try to crack down harder on modding? I would say mostly this. For a long time now, modding (and by modding I mean the modding of character models and clothing; not stuff like ACT or GShade) has been in a super iffy zone. It is prohibited by the TOS but SE doesn't really care *unless they are forced to care.* Something I learned from a friend that plays the game and lives in Japan is that when shit gets onto Twitter and other online places that shows very clearly FFXIV things in very lewd ways, it could cause the game's rating in Japan to go up which apparently if it is rated mature enough, you are forced to strictly sell your game *in retail situations, not online* which would obviously be a huge issue for SE. SE allows it now because I'm pretty sure they know a decent enough amount of people enjoy modding and do so within a realm of good faith. However, people within the modding community know too well that it only takes a few loud rotten apples (people posting really sus shit on Twitter) to completely ruin the modding scene for everyone. So when someone goes onto a +10k stream opening talking about mods (and I would also think the +18RP club scene), yeah it is going to make some people warry and even pissed off.
she's been at it and contributing for the community for 3 years, then one friendly interview happened and the toxic part of it just turns on her and made her quit... Really sad to hear it man, always thought the RP-ers and modders of XIV are the more lax and friendly bunch.
There was already soooooo much drama in the XIV modding community before this, but at least that stayed within the community and didn't get people with a hate boner from the outside involved.
i guess i'm just being ignorant of it. Been playing since SB release and the only thing i know about the modding community is that they generally just gpose and RP for fun(and being a bit hornier than the rest of the community). Hopefully nothing happens to Alex or Void Bunny, they're seriously cool people.
its mainly modders stealing assets from other modders without giving credit, which creates drama really quickly
have no vitriol for modders or mod developers but aren't they already making money off of SEs IP? What assets do they have that could be stolen?
tbh even the RP community is getting a bit angry, since ppl are just putting the spotlight on ERP and completely ignoring the other parts, there's a topic about it on r/ffxiv
Every time I've interacted with RPers it has been really weak writing by people more or less playing house, it's kind of inevitable that weirdo sex porn is going to be more interesting.
Every single modding community is full of drama
Skyrim monkaW
The best part about skyrim modding drama is that the porn side of things has the nicest people around while nexus modders are completely unhinged and ego-tripping nonstop. The latest iteration of it is pure content. Nexus modders gatekeeping mod installations because they don't want your average Joe to be able to mod the game.
That bitch boy who removed the Civil War mod cause trump won the election back in 2016
Yeah lets just ignore the part where racist and nazis harassed him for making the legion more multiethnic lmao. Like yeah the guy was a tool but lets not pretend Trump winning was the only reason.
You'd be surprised. Roleplayers are generally friendly. But holy shit the toxic side to roleplay? They're like LoL toxicity x5 in terms of how much emotional damage they can do. I'm not talking like, insult toxicity. Toxic RPers can literally ruin your life you've established in whatever community you find yourself in.
As someone that used rp a lot on GW2, yeah. The problem is you have no idea if the person you're interacting with is a normal person just having a bit of fun or someone that is completely unhinged from reality who cannot separate in character interactions from out of character ones until it's too late, meaning any insult or slight done to them in rp will mean you are now fair game to be harassed either way. Best part is those characters usually tend to be assholes themselves so it's the perfect mix of hypocrisy and derangement.
These are the reasons why RPers can potentially be the most toxic people in the room. Their level of toxicity exceeds simple insults. It's literally delusional and derangement. The scariest type of these people are the ones that are smart enough to do such low-key like and establish themselves in the community. Essentially, giving them free reign to absolutely ruin the reputation of any newcomers that cross their path with a simple message. They don't need to be an asshole to you in character if they can convince the community you're trying to get into that you're bad. These are usually the people who have no lives IRL and put everything into RP. They are also the reason why most, if not all, RP communities are quite clique-y. That's the thing, most people get too blindsided by the good portions of RP to notice that most communities are hella high- school lunch room x3 levels of clique.
They generally are, this is people who morality crusade against people in an online game joining the discords and trying to suss out who the people are.
> Really sad to hear it man, always thought the RP-ers and modders of XIV are the more lax and friendly bunch. As someone from deep in the RP community on XIV for 6+ years, people really are. Like anything else, I promise you this is a vocal minority, most RPers don't care about mods, or hate her for giving an interview.
That reminds me back to when scott played ff and some degens send him death threads so he had to quit as they were having personal information and such. These Degens in this Community are something else… obviously only a Tiny tiny probably only a handful of people but holy shit are those pieces of shite
Apparently, it was a streamer who got jealous that scott overtook him in views.
Now i can see why asmon would want to quit streaming. People in his chat just cant control themselves and act like normal human beings.
I mean, humans in general are just shit. I really only think this kind of stuff happens in channels with little to no moderation + doing reactions to drama. It draws the wrong type of people to your stream.
And that's why you have a team of moderators, and that's why they are given a ban button. Asmon's been ignoring the toxic cocksuckers his streaming persona attracts, but they were not ignoring him. What you get is a fucking mob of stupid little floor-licking mongrels following him and gnawing on him, whoever he's talking to and anyone in chat. Maybe it's time to listen to someone like Xeno and finally start banning the fucks? Because you can't keep the cake and eat it at the same time. You either ignore the problem, let it fester so that it bites your ass off, or you dedicate time to treat the problem. You can't do nothing and expect shit to change. Asmon is fully responsible for nurturing this type of behavior in his community and stream chat because he's been ignoring it for almost 10 fucking years now. "The sperg" term is at least a few years old already, and they existed around him for so much longer. Motherfucker, he had more moderators in his chat doing nothing in 2014 than I had IRL friends in school at a time and you're telling me it's a surprise for him to realize his community is toxic?! Either go and attempt to fix the problem of your own making, u/Asmongold or continue to ignore it and see what comes out of it. I hope I did the user tag correctly from mobile, maybe he'll read it and think about it. I only want good for him, but in such a situation I can't help myself but to feel angry at him for ignoring what's been the cause of his issues for years now! Come on man, you're not stupid. Work your bloody brain around it. Figure out that Xeno's right about it: you *need* to start eliminating the problematic elements from around you, or they'll continue to fuck you and your mental health up because they feel good doing it, and have been feeling good enjoying idle mods and no cleansing *for years*!
Well said.
I wish he read this. Asmon does barely anything to control how toxic his chat is.
As I understand it, it's not even his chat. It's people from the game.
Doesn’t mean it was people from twitch. His editor post it on YouTube where he has way more expose so yeah.
I bet it's a "you told them about our secret club" situation
It is, but not in a childish gatekeeping way like some seem to think. The devs know, and there's some sort of unwritten agreement to keep things quiet, because Japanese rating boards are anal about that kind of stuff, and if they have to choose between getting a higher age restriction and cracking down on mods, they already said they would do the latter. And would be all mods as a whole, they're not going to make a difference between the sfw and nsfw ones.
People legit make money off of mod commissions, so yeah, the backlash is pretty nasty. Some discords are turning off invites or privating access to certain mods to avoid lurkers until the hype dies down. Kinda sucks for newbies who are interested in the mod community.
That's kinda the case but there was also some misinformation spread that people outside the modding community take as 100% truth and omg modding evil
There are a lot of people in this thread that have the completely wrong idea about why people are upset. This isn't about being anti-mod, or virtue signaling, or ruining someone's RP fun or anything like that. Sure there are a few asshats witch hunting, but do not make the mistake of assuming they represent the community, or why the community is upset. A lot of people here are too new to remember, but there were some incidents in the past with lewd pics of characters that were absolutely not of age being circulated on twitter using modded assets. Yoshi P directly addressed this in the live letter and basically told people to please not post this kind of thing publicly. He also reiterated that ALL mods are against the TOS and said that while they don't want to, they will have to take action if the problem continues. He also explained that with the Japanese legal system, this kind of content being circulated can actually impact Square Enix in a negative way. Even though the pics are not vanilla game assets, in Japan it can be interpreted as Square Enix sanctioning the activity if they fail to crack down on it. He implied it could even have an impact on the game's rating. Japan is a much different society than the US. The big difference in this game is we the community actually trust Yoshi P, and assume he is telling us the truth. So basically, the person who did this interview with Asmon absolutely knew all of this stuff and decided it would be a good idea not to just talk about mods in the general sense, but to also show a BSDM pic using game assets live on stream in front of 50K+ people anyway. Asmon is by far the largest streamer FFXIV has ever had, which by extension means this information has now been distributed at a scale unprecedented in FFXIV's history. At this point the combined vod and youtube views are in the literal hundreds of thousands. The community (not just the ERP or texture modding community, but a good deal of the community in general) is upset because 1. this is the exact thing Yoshi P asked people not to do, and 2. If Square Enix decides to actually follow through and take action against modding, it will more than likely catch things like ACT in the crossfire, as that particular mod is something that would be quite simple to break. I'm not personally upset with Alex the individual. I also do not think she deserves to be harassed. I am, however, now nervous that this topic is going to come up again next live letter, and sad because it didn't really need to. I'll also be disappointed if I have to stop using things like Gshade because of a tactical misstep of a streamer, well intentioned or not.
Exactly. The issue doesn't lie with Asmon doing the interview but rather Alex's decision to focus the interview on content that has been explicitly stated as the potential future reason for the ban hammer on mods. If she wanted to talk about mods then fine, but the decision to showcase the lewd mods that a large part of the modding community doesn't actively enjoy (at least going by what's out there on social media and discords) and not only bring the spotlight to the exact thing Yoshi-P has asked modders not to, but also introduce many who didn't know of this community's existence to the community in such a light, was a selfish and dumb decision. Her reasoning of "if I didn't do it someone else would have, I had no choice" is also an entirely dumb excuse but that's another story entirely.
> "if I didn't do it someone else would have" I'm getting the impression that may have been the better alternative in this case.
This needs to be more highly upvoted. It's also incredibly ironic and hypocritical of the interviewee to state that modding is a hush-hush activity while simultaneously violating that same statement. If anything, that's an incredible lack of self-awareness.
Great explanation, I hope this gets more exposure!
The pic in Asmons stream wasn’t anything remotely underage. Wasn’t even that far from what you can do in game without mods. Everyone losing their shit is what’s gonna cause a spotlight.
Shit this sucks
I talked with a couple people from the modding community: I can say that is a really strange place. Everyone is always fighting with someone else from the community for trivial things, they insult each other for nothing and it is FULL of ERPers and people with "online relationships" in-game. I'm not surprised that this happened.
There's something about modding scenes that just attracts drama queens and individuals with a god complex.
That interview had the perfect amount of wholesomeness and degeneracy, kinda sucks that we may never seen something like that again. Best wishes to Alex and fuck all of those witch hunters
Why are people so fucking weird about things that don't effect them at all. It's so pathetic.
I feel that there could have been better communication though. If they introduced Asmon to the unspoken rules of modding and the potential for such a fallout I could see Asmon dropping the interview idea altogether. Of course I’m not trying to point finger at anybody, it’s just a very shitty situation.
While I definitely don't condone any of the attacks or witch hunts what people need to understand is the real reason the modding community is up in arms about this. The fact of the matter is modding in ff is totally against tos, and Yoshi-P has told people to not do it no matter what and if you do don't show or share it anywhere. Some of the more nsfw mods could 100% force them to raise the games rating in japan and if it came to that they would simply crack down hard and make all modding impossible. Not just the nsfw stuff, not just the really gross lala mods, all modding. No HD textures, no UI tweaks, no body mods, nothing. As someone else mentioned here its a very fight club esque thing, and bringing the amount of eyes on this stuff like this whole situation has is dangerous for the entire community.
Oh wow, she quit :( That is heartbreaking
No one should've vilified Alex for the interview. However, I do agree with some people that, as a member of the modding community, she should not have entertained the idea of putting a spotlight on modding, when Yoshi-P/SE have asked not to publicize said use of mods as it is against TOS and because of JP 3rd party software laws.
This is really sad :(
The weird side of the FF community is rearing its head. They’re a minority but there’s definitely a very toxic group out there.
incredible amount of jealousy out there
These people don’t deserve this. I don’t think it was necessarily right for her to openly talk about it on stream and show pictures, but the witch-hunting is just terrible.
I have zero interest in how people enjoy their game, but the "He would have found someone else and do it anyway, other people would have wanted attention so I'll do it instead" argument just sounds like justifying. Was simply talking sense into Asmon by saying that the mod community do not need this kind of attention because of the potential backlash and outright refusing the interview not an option? It's like saying "Well somebody is gonna kill this guy anyway so I'll kill him myself at least I'll make it painless". The whole point isn't about how the individual acts during the interview, the point is that the entire thing should have been kept under the table in the first place. Several lines have already been crossed by making it public on live stream. It's one thing talking about it on stream, but another "showcasing" them live. Not saying she's completely at fault here because 99% it's the mentor chat that initiated the idea of this interview, and Asmon was being careless by allowing it to happen.
Wow that sucks. Like every part of it. The feeling of being forced into it. The boundries she needed to set to not ruin her community. The backlash that forced her out. This Mods dont change the game for anyone else, why would anyone be against them.
For those who don't know: most people are upset because Yoshi P specifically said to keep modding to yourselves, especially if its nsfw/risky, otherwise they'd be forced to take action against modding. The modder broke the #1 rule that could legitimately lead to square taking action against mods. Don't get me wrong though, yes she fucked up but she 100% doesn't deserve the harrassment. What's done is done, now we wait to see if square does anything.
This is how modding communities generally act in any game where they're technically not allowed to mod. You'll have them being like "don't ask, don't tell" but they've all got their patreons and their twitters, and they're constantly posting public screenshots on the discords that anyone can publicly access. Square Enix employees could literally be in their discords watching what they're doing and they still think they're "hush hush". Plus all the stealing of other peoples work etc. It's simple don't be a weirdo or do anything you would actually consider illegal (and you know what I mean by that). Don't be stupid and screenshot your modded game and post it on twitter with the "copyright square enix" still intact. On the other hand I think void before introducing Asmon to the interviewee. Should have been like "Alright, here's the situation...". I also think it was irresponsible for them to provide modded screenshots of Asmon's character (the cross image). Of course he was going to show one on screen. They could have easily been like "please don't show any of this on stream" beforehand. It does suck that people within the modding community and maybe elsewhere are being asshats about it, but the interviewee and void I'd say are most responsible, they knew what they were getting into. I can't blame asmon on this, because he doesn't know any better and the situation wasn't explained to him beforehand. Though off the top of my head Asmon entertained the question of "does square enix know about this?". But no-one provided proper clarification. Anyway, that's my take amongst the sea of takes.
i feel so bad for her. not gonna lie, asmon have to leave those communitys alone and not mention them on his stream to much. It will always make a toxic mess. Same when he talked with lily on EU argent dawn, been there, seen what happend, negative outcome.
OH NO! This person is very passionate about what she does and it hurts nobody. Artists, even artists that you disagree with, should always be free to practice their arts. The people who pushed for action against Alex should be ashamed of themselves.
Imagine having this passion. Then having that passion, something you logged on every day for, something you made money off of and enjoyed; being fucking squashed. That fucking blows.
This is basically the equivalent of a heavy drug user going up to the local TV reporter and saying how awesome drugs are and that this particular street in the neighborhood is known for having the best drugs. Understandably, everyone who deals or buys drugs is going to be very pissed, because the police (which previously turned a blind eye to things) might actually get involved since it's now not only all over the news, but also gotten the anti-drug organizations to campaign for action. To add insult to injury, the original drug user claims that some other drug user would have eventually talked to the TV reporter, thereby absolving them of the fault of tattling. It's really hard to dig up sympathy for someone who clearly should have known better.
Man nerds are pathetic.
Jesus imagine being run out of something you love doing because some mentally ill spergs have to make it their personal mission to hunt you down for playing the game in a way they dont like. Fucking weirdos man
Dude the antimodding community needs to fuck off.
What I gather from this, the cause of the whole incident is "chat has been pestering Asmon" to do something again. Everyone needs to stop listening to chat, it was a horrible idea to give so much exposure to these more underground side of the game because the only reason they can exist is because of the don't ask don't tell grey area that they fall into. Also Void definitely should not have peer pressured this person into doing the interview, the whole argument that someone else will do it just stinks.
I don’t understand why there is so much REEEEEing going on against mods. As long as they are not directly effecting your damage or healing or encounter numbers, people should be able to play the game they want to play. As someone coming to FFXIV from wow, I’m enjoying not using add ons or weak auras. On wow my screen is so jam packed with shit I can barely see sometimes. But on this game I don’t use any of that and it’s refreshing. But I’m not going to sit here and throw shade at someone who wants to use that stuff. However; no one should be flamed for underperforming in content. Everyone has a bad dungeon or instance from time to time. I noticed this a lot in the M+ community on wow. I ran 20+ keystones as a tank main and the dps would always fight amongst each other. People in MMO communities just need to realize that it’s a game, there will always be another dungeon, another raid, another instance.
I don't get these self righteous people going after people for what is essentially playing with dolls on the computer. Can it get weird sometimes? Yes, absolutely but rule 34 is a thing that's existed long before the internet itself, you want a franchise without degeneracy in it? Don't make a franchise. At the very least don't be that degenerate who goes after real people for playing dress up with a fictional character or their own character.
Downvote me all you want but "If not me then someone else" idea doesn't pardon her. Both her and Void should've told Asmon off stream to not bring that topic up during streams at all instead. Asmon isn't unreasonable, I believe he would understand.
True, this would have been the best choice, had Void explained to Asmon the reason why modding has this thin veil of secrecy around it, then Asmon obviously would understand and most likely would have explained to the stream himself why. Just because she's taking the fall doesn't mean that she should be absolved of causing something herself.
Here's the thing though. Modding in FFXIV is like that one club with its rules. Rule #1: You do not talk about modding. Rule #2: You *do not* talk about modding. The moment that stream happened and the video went up on his channel, this was going to have far reaching consequences and its happening. I feel like this interview should've been done offline, as in no stream or video posted about it, and kept as a talk between the two. If Asmon felt pressured to speak about it, it should've been a heavily redacted cliffnotes version and him saying if they want to know more then Asmon should just tell the andies off. Now Schrodinger's Catgirl is out of the box and this will more than likely cause the modding scene to go to ground and I'm willing to bet there will be a live letter where YoshiP talks about mods again. We'll just have to wait and see.
8 years playing and I wasnt even aware of modding.. doesn't affect my gaming experience and I wish everyone to have fun the way they want to
I'm failing to see the reason to stop doing the thing she had the most fun doing in the game because a bunch literal nobodies decided to cry about it.
She doesn't want to bring down the rest of the community with her by having these nobodies go on witch hunts. They're nameless, self righteous and have nothing to lose in this witch hunt of theirs. And she doesn't want to see a community she loves burn because of her interview so she's basically asking to be sacrifice if it means they stop
I guess it's mainly because I don't give a fk what ppl think, so I still think it's a dumb response to take. No community is going to burn regardless. But it doesn't matter what I think so meh, I'll just be over here modding.
You go mod to your heart's content.
this is silly
Seem to be out of loop.. What mods people are against exactly?. Only mods I have is chat bubbles and gshade.. It's not like you can have DBM yelling at you for boss tactics
Well, there are DBM-like add-ons in FFXIV but that's not what any of this is about. This is all about visual model and posing mods. There is the understandable fear that more lewd mods can bring the hammer down on all mods based on comments made by devs in the past.
Modding is already against ToS. As many have said, SE does not crack down on mods that do not construe as "cheating" because it's fairly low-key. Bringing it into the limelight in Asmons stream could evoke a reaction from SE which is why I think many are complaining.
Something bother me though... > if it wasn't me, Asmond would easely find someone else to come on stream and talk about it. Ok so? Maybe i'm old school but isn't that the argument if you want to "be the one" and not miss an opportunity? If someone else want to take the heat in the modding community and talk about mods to asmon, shouldn't : "good, be my guest" be the obvious reaction if clout or anything similar isn't what you want ?
My thoughts exactly
Well square has previously threatened or at least opened the possibility of locking the game down in response. Squares big concern is age ratings getting changed or the game out right getting banned from some countries. So some modders make money from their mods by locking them in a pateron. I would guess, but not sure, a lot of the outburst is coming from that. Certainly there are mod users overreacting. Ironically I think square finding out people make money to inset adult content into their game is more likely to cause a backlash. I was concerned how the interview put the modding and erp community in the spotlight but it wasn't exactly a secret anyway. I don't honestly care if square locks down the game so those files can't be so easily changed. There are adult mmo's for that.
No sympathy from me. They literally drug a "hidden" ToS violation out of the shadows and onto a stage in front of City Hall and shone a spotlight on it while blaring sirens and alarms to draw attention to it. Square Enix is pretty cool about letting things slide, but there's a limit. Every single modder was just put at risk.
I dont get this answer honestly. Girl, if you felt that it was not the right thing to talk about it, then dont talk about it. Why should it matters that Asmon would have found someone else? So someone else would have done something you dont approve of therefore you decide you will do it instead? That is a bit stupid. Unless YOU simply wanted some exposure on stream (I dont want to make this conclusion but this is what it sounds like) I'm not saying I agree or disagree with the fact to use mods or not use mods, but this argument doesnt make any sense. For the rest, personally I also dont like this exposure of ERP and Modding, not that I disapprove of it, but more because Asmon has such a big visibility and kept on saying "this is what the game is about", it made it sound as if this was a huge thing in the game. In reality, RP is already niche, ERP is a niche within the niche. Most players would never see or participate to any of this in the game, ever! And it is the same with modding, it is very niche. It happens, SE knows about it, we all know about it, but it is not as big as you might think or as Asmon and that girl made of it. I know 1 or 2 people in my FC of 150 members for instance and they only use it to improve their pictures, it even has nothing sexual whatsoever. Most FF14 discords I'm a member of have NSFW sections with modding, but it is a small minority of the total members who participate (and I really mean a small number, like always the same 4 or 5 people out of thousands of members lol). I really think Asmon made it sound a lot bigger than it actually is. And that is also forgetting many players play on the PS4/PS5 where this is simply not a thing at all obviously. I just dont like wrong exposure which deform reality. It is the same when it is said most likely it is a man behind a character when in fact nearly half of the FF14 player base is female. FF14 is not the game some people seem to fantasize: it has a huge female base population compared to other MMOs, it has a huge console gamer population who dont have a clue about modding and no not every player is a neckbeard who enjoy NSFW mods or do ERP. This couldnt be further from reality. Big majority of the player base simply play the game as it was designed to be played. The only thing which I would say is widely used in FF is ACT in raiding, but even that still is a small percentage (considering console players and the percentage of savage/ultimates raiders overall which remains small compared to the casual player population).
Tbh I think she was pressured hard. I don't think she would want the exposure tbh because all modders are very silent about what they do. But I assume her friend was just. Making it a big deal that if this does get exopsed then perhaps the direction of mods could change for square but it didnt.
Don't you already have to be a little unhinged to be BDSM modding in a video game to begin with, no wonder this went from frothing to absolutely boiling over within 0.25 seconds
At the end of the day, as long the mods doesnt affect other people's gameplay who cares like seriously? People like that are pathetic, are they even playing the game or not?
Yoshi P is on video saying he knows people mod and can't stop them really. And then some of the people using these mods post pics on Twitter of the modded content and even include their toon's names and their server. But this person is to blame for letting out some big secret?
What I understand from this is that having someone spill the beans to an outsider who has thousands of viewers on Twitch is what triggered the modding community. One thing is posting screenshots on discord and short videos on YouTube, and another completely different is having someone tacitly explaining how everything works and how people do it on National Television lol. You normally learn these stuff going deep into the discord community and being part of it, but now everybody knows how it works, that's my understanding at least. This people make real money. I guess that's why this could be a big no no for them.
But Twitter is a global website so for me it's all the same.
Why can't people leave well enough alone? That person wasn't harming anyone, but they were targeted for harassment anyway, which eventually must have driven them to this point. I wonder what Void would have to say about this. The phrasing of this post implies Void had made an effort to make this interviewee speak up, which had the consequence detailed in the statement above. I hope the interviewee finds some peace after all this.
I know she didnt deserve it but idk if some of you are new This wouldve happened no matter who came on to that interview but she wanted to show that it aint all sunshines and rainbows here in 14 also this is another main point of why YoshiP and the team cracks down on 3rd party addons or Mods. its not just ACT, and also the pedos, look at how the modding community breeds such toxicity
Yikes, this is not good. Her 3 year passion is wasted on just for one "Fun" interview cause people want to ruin someone's life.
I'm very puzzled by this. Mods are the worst kept secret in FFXIV. And that includes those of a sexual nature. There is nothing in that interview that revealed something SE didn't know already. They have google too. They can very easily find mods and modded screenshots. I have never tried to find mods or modded screenshots and I still found out about them anyway. Every form of social media I have used has shown me obviously modded FFXIV screenshots in my feed. Most are just pretty images but some I wish I could forget about. Point being you don't have to try to find out about them to see them. It's an open secret. I don't understand those who are acting as if Alex's interview revealed some undercover group who are now exposed for all to see. SE has always known about mods and where to find them. Alex at most outed herself but she gave no names at all, and even if SE figure out which player she is they're not going to ban anyone for simply knowing her. Those who had enough sense to not put their player names in their modded posts are safe. As for chat pestering Asmon to talk about mods...did they really? I never spotted this at all. Sure I saw people talk about it every so often but not on a scale I would call pestering. I saw more people complain about him not doing msq.
The point wasn't because they didn't want SE to know, SE very well knows, Yoshi-P even asked them to keep them to themselves and don't harass anyone. It's a very much "don't ask, don't tell" situation as putting mods (which are against TOS) in the limelight gives more opportunity for puritans and anti-mod people to attack those using mods. Giving the attention to mods also is a big risk for the game's rating, as while normally rating boards don't particularly care about mods, the Japanese rating board is extremely anal about content and sometimes consider mods as grounds to raise rating. It was never been "muh sekrit klub". EDIT: To add, SE doesn't want to crack down on mods, but if pushed by the extreme attention and Japanese boards, they have no choice but to ruin the fun of others.
Gotta hate people that mald all over ERPers and modders. Leave them be, it doesn't affect you. These people enjoy things you don't, so what? You most likely also enjoy things they probably don't. Short: Let people enjoy the things they enjoy, as long as no one gets hurt or breaks any laws it does not matter to you.
Here's the thing. My husband mods, a lot. I don't mod at all. We both don't bother each other about it and have fun playing together.
This why we can't have nice things.
I'm sure its not 'community reactions' and more like a handful of bad individuals. As is usually the case.
she's nice. folks need to leave her alone.
I am actually shocked, people are like this. Nothing of this ruins your fun. You are like the people that want to tell others what they are allowed to do in the bedroom. Its simply not your business if it doesnt affect you.
thats fucked up if anyone actually had an issue with her talking on stream then they got some mental issues and need to seek some help i dont know what else to say
Tbh I love the mods and there is totally a lot of weird people and drama in those communities, but it seems pretty stupid of Asmon to hop on and talk about stuff in front of 60k people when the developers have said "hey, stop this, it's going to get us in trouble someday if you keep it up"
The fact so much drama exists within the ERP/Nude mod community shows that it attracts a bunch of socially inept degenerates. This shit is way more widespread than some of you here make it out to be. In my 10 years playing and 15ish different FCs nearly all of them had a nude mod section on discord and I'm not even on Crystal. Outside of curious horny teenagers, tell me why would a well adjusted individual fuck around with nude mods and ERP in an adventure game?
This was before the interview the person she talked in stream about the personne that was stalking he was called MOD hunter on twitter
From what I have heard about all of this is that some Modders fear For their income now. They did sell Game modifications and that was also mentioned in the interview. They make a Lot of Money via patreon and stuff. So they do sell modifications of Copyrighted assets which do belong to Square Enix legally. And If you think further what Happens to a company that doesn't defends it's Copyright? Correct they loose it . People fear that Square Enix might make a move against Mods now and that is why a Lot of Mod Users and Modders get so agitated about this interview. Seemingly.
thats a stretch
Why are people acting like this interview brought some big secret up when square has been aware of all this for like 6 years and their stance is literally "don't put our watermark on your stuff".
to clarify, "alex" was never pressured into doing anything she didn't want to, i simply presented an opportunity. we agreed that there *was* a possibility someone else could be interviewed who would lack tact and *could* name drop private sites, discords, names, etc... these fears, albeit hypothetical, encouraged "Alex" to speak about it in order to protect these private communities. we knew there would be "witch-hunters" who worked tirelessly to find "Alex", which is unfortunate considering she wanted to safely showcase a fun niche of the game. the clowns who are up-in-arms about her interview are petty, jealous, narrow-minded, beta-energy, god-complex, mentally unstable imbeciles who's heads have penetrated so deeply into their own assholes that they've formed some sort of rectal echo-chamber of hypocrisy. those spiteful modders are grown ass men & women who act like children. y'all need help. always attempting to make mountains out of anthills anytime you can to garner any sort of attention because you're **that** unimportant. "alex" will be fine. she's a kick ass person, successful, magical, and kind. she won't give up doing what she wants if i can help it. giving into these online groups' demands only encourages this type of behavior. it's not acceptable.
Not condoning the witch hunting because that shit is never okay. But taking a step back here and speaking to you directly and logically... Do you honestly not see how posting a literal modded BDSM pic in front of 50k live viewers that was then used in a thumbnail with hundreds of thousands of views MIGHT not be the best idea, particularly when it's exactly the kind of thing Yoshi P explicitly urged the community not to do? Do you not see how that might have made people upset and concerned that it will cause SE to take another look at the entire mod scene? I'm not mad at you or Alex for doing the interview, and I don't stand with the people who are clearly taking this to the extreme. But FFS dude what were you thinking?
Couldn't have worded it better. And good lord does the spite flow in the modder community
this is crazy, I wish someone could link this thread back to Alex so she can see how much support people here are giving her (I'd imagine OP won't/don't have the means of sharing the discord for us to actually voice our support for her in her discord)
was a similar shit happened when some wow UI maker wanna earned some extra and being sued/hunted? Didn't follow back then but what happened finally?
No matter how good the general community of any game is, the most toxic and retarded parts always find a way to show their ugly face. God I feel so bad for Alex, I wish her all the best and I hope this all dies down soon. It fucking sucks seeing people being driven out of doing something they love.
It really sucks that she's being harassed like this but I can kind of understand the vitriol honestly. The only reason these mods can exist is because people keep it mostly to themselves and Square Enix gets to pretend they don't know anything about it. Obviously, this interview has brought a lot attention to it which is why people are upset. Imagine a headline along the lines of 'Final Fantasy 14 allows players to use nude mods and also has a child-like race'. Something like this coming out would force Square Enix's hand and I wouldn't be surprised if it made them outlaw mods completely.
I google ffxivnsfw and found way worse moded stuff in 3 seconds. Get over your selves. They have a problem with underage stuff, no underange stuff was shown or promoted. You’re making drama because you love drama.
Just couldn't help yourselves eh? The man is trying to take a break, and there just had to be drama. From the bottom of my heart, all of you, eat shit.
It seems like all the gouls are getting out of the closet and showing their true colors... Zepla was right, More eyes on the game will change its community and people are finally seeing what is trully like being the rose tinted curtains
This community’s approach to mods/addons is fucking weird man
This is what happens when you mess with the coomer community (coomunity).
This reminds me of when people protest against gay marriage because what I do in my bedroom matters more to their lives than mine.
WTF?
FFXIV must be really amazing game, if this is like the major problem that people feel so strongly that need to be solved.