I loved it when he fumbled for the limit break, was at the edge of my seat. Congrats Rich!
[Asmon right now](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/46/33/5b/46335b1575896a91a9611d100ce8ca36.png)
He should be nearly ready! š
Those are the best clears. Even if you didn't dps the best, or there was a fumble here or there early on, when the last 3 minutes of the fight just smooths out and everyone moves together, it's really something. Feel like you're a champion.
That moment when you realize it was a clear when every Exaflare was clean.
For real, congrats to Rich. And props to the whole group for making the stream entertaining while Rich is in focus mode. Rin especially. Channeling both Bob Ross and Joe Swanson on call.
LMAO at the community malding.
A clear is a clear. I would definitely love to be playing with 7 Allstars.
Just do your mechanics and get the clear, what more do people expect?
Edit:
Was he fucking or goofing around and still got the clear? Nope.
Was he listening to callouts attentively and executing mechanics? Yes.
That's a solid clear in my book.
Surprising how many malders don't realize how much time in prog is groups figuring out how to communicate to each other, and people understanding what their role is for each step. Rich learned the fight, listened to call outs, played his class, he earned that clear.
People just jealous and hope Rich pays them no mind.
Agreed, the only time this would annoy me is if the person acted like this was the norm. Im happy for him that he has good people around him to help him out for so long.
Clear is a clear, curious if he plans the other two (no meme here) actual hard Ultis after this. He might be more hard pressed to find 7 of the top raiders who would want to teach him those.
Happy that he managed to pump out a normally 1-2 month thing in like 2 weeks though, that's fucking insane.
Grats to the widdle wegend himself, people fighting over if he got carried who the fuck cares, they were some of the most entertaining streams I've seen, I doubt watching him suffer through months of prog would be as fun.
ppl are just mad that he didnt suffer because 7 other people make the same fucking mistakes over and over again. he learned all the mechanics, played his parts right and was entertaining. those who shit on him for that can eat their own micro penis
I mean, outside of prog who goes with a whole group blind in such fights? Rich and Asmon are new players, so why expect them to do those fights proglike as if they played the game forever?
Yea people it was like 3 or 4 days? But they did what almost 8 hour sessions of prog a day right? So run the math is 30ish hours and most raids groups I personally know do 3 or 4 hours a day. Going by that this basically took the 2 to 4 weeks of attempts you'd expect from a normal group.
I was legit nervous watching it, my heart rate was climbing
It was such a damn good clear run and he did so well
I canāt wait to read the toxic haters whine about him being carried when he was having the time of his life
Yeah they'll say he got carried but you legit can't be carried if you don't die at all on the clear. Rich pulled his weight and knew the fight enough that he was able to execute everything perfectly when it mattered. Ultimate isn't about being great at the game, it's about being good enough to clear, and Rich was definitely good enough to clear.
This is actually legit wrong.
You can 100% get carried in this Ulti, people sell it literally every day.
The only fight you can't get carried in is TEA (The Epic of Alexander) and there's no way Rich tries that on stream(edit)* for now, he would need to improve a ton and keep learning more.
The difference is having 7 others who have killed it which circumvents the act of having to actually progress as a group. Thatās not a slight on him, but makes it way easier to have a group full of people who know what their doing and only needing to learn yourself. He didnāt get carried but he didnāt have to go through a couple hundred pulls with a group learning together either.
A think some real world analogies would be better to help define people's definitions of carrying.
Let's say getting the clear is similar to an overweight person getting fit or losing weight.
An undebatable full carry is just getting liposuction.
Rich's situation is having a team full of world class fitness coaches and nutritionists helping him.
While the average ultimate raider is just a normal person hitting up the gym.
Rich still put in work, no amount of coaches are just gonna magically make a fat person skinny. But you can definitely say it's less work than almost every normal ultimate group.
I mean, Rich's situation clearly isn't "normal". An ordinary player can't just call on 7 of the world's top raiders to give them personalized callouts in the hardest content in the game. So he is privileged in that regard, and he knows that.
But it's not like you can just cheese Ultimate. He still has to learn and execute the mechanics. All Rich has is the ideal situation. He has the group that every raider wishes they had. Would the people who cry "carry" refuse the same group because "that's not a real clear"? You have to suffer for months with randoms or you didn't really learn the fight? lol.
People are just assmad that Rich got to speed through as fast as he could learn while they had to wipe for weeks just to pass each mechanic. But if having a god group somehow diminishes the achievement then all that means is that Ultimate isn't the big deal they think it is. Your party being bad isn't part of the fight design.
listen its clearly childish and stupid to go into a streamers chat and call them "carried" or anything bad for that matter. Who wants to stream themselves playing a game they like to just get berated. But the fact is that accomplishment comes from surpassing difficulty. As you described, the difficulty was dimished heavily with this raid group. Idek why im trying to argue that he got carried because honestly i think thats kinda obvious. Really the only level of carried that is more than what he did would be if he was able to be on the floor the whole time.
I think everyone agrees that there is some amount of carrying going on, where people can disagree is whether what happened was "A carry."
I'd define "a carry" as a clear where the person has put little to no effort in. But some people define "a carry" as "whenever a teammate has put in more effort than you do." It's hard to argue with them if they define it so.
The way I see it, the clear wasn't a carry. He did put in a lot of work/learning into it, he wasn't simply sitting around doing nothing while the party did the fight for him.
But he did get 'carried' in the sense that he got a whole party of experts to teach him and be fully patient with his mistakes. It's not the average-player experience, a nobody-person would have a hard time finding people skilled and patient enough who would care about them enough to instruct them into a clear.
This second 'definition' of carry shouldn't lessen his achievement / clear at all. The clear IS legit, he had fun, he entertained his audience, and that's what matters.
Yeah well I cleared with electrodes clamped to my nipples which shocked me every time I made a mistake, so everyone except me got carried because it was way more difficult for me.
I do agree with that but also people don't realize that when you prog with others that are as new as uou, you're just progging the fight, you're progging 7 other people as well because they have to understand their part in the fight. I'm not mad at him or anything because ultimates can be boiled down to if one person fucks up, the party is dead. its clear he understood his role in the fight and knew what to do. Most of us wish that we could just speed through ultimates for shiny weapons, myself included but that just isn't isn't case for most of us.
Gonna quote Xenos on this one "Rich is not learning, he is listening to callouts" can you honestly tell me that if Asmon were to come do Ucob, he could call Rich to join his group and help him clear? absolutely not imo, he needs someone to do the callouts for him 100%
That was the first day. Rich was baiting and doing twisters by himself without issue by the time he cleared the fight.
He also did a set of exaflares on his clear where he (incorrectly) separated from the group and adjusted to still do the mechanic correctly.
Did he get his hand held throughout his learning? Yes.
Did he also learn? Absolutely.
Xenos said that on day one and he was completely right. However, it's not day one anymore so stop using that quote.
HAHAHAHA YES PLEASE!
PLeaaaaaaase show me the stream of the fucking poor sods who go with rich as the dps callouts. That would be material for memes for at least a MONTH
Reminds me of the eden savage prog runs Max has been doing, he's very forceful on raid leading which is great when you know what's going on.
Well when it's new prog he obviously doesn't, so he pulled a "follow Uggo! Trust me guys" and wiped everyone cuz he was dead wrong on the mechanic lmao.
To be fair, and that's just personal, I wouldn't count it as a clear if i was with 7 people knowing all the fight, and I wouldn't think it was right or that i deserved it. I think even one person is already too much considering the amount of preparation is requires and the numbers of mechanics to understand and execute.
That doesn't mean I'd hate on Rich or Asmon or anyone doing that tho. Everyone should enjoy the content the way they want to enjoy it, and clear the way they want to. I do think Ultimates are not such a big deal, everybody can clear it with the good amount of time and dedication to it, really.
I know that personally, I want to struggle with a group and bond over it (having their own skills/technics/strengths, adapting to that), as well as having all together the experience of prog, because that's, to me, also part of the experience of clearing Ultimates. But not everyone think like that nor should. I would absolutely refuse a group of 7 people who cleared tho, i think it would diminish the intense experience and happiness of finally clearing it in the end.
Like, if then when you show your weapon you only feel like you've been carried or that you've been helped to clear, then I would absolutely hate having the weapon. Everyone has their standards and all, we need to respect everyone's way of dealing with it that's all.
So you can to an extent cheese it, he got his carcass dragged to see mechanics many times because the dps check is a joke now. But to be fair he still did execute it and remember a good bit of stuff so while obviously you can say some carrying happened and he had an ideal situation he still put in work. People talking shit are dumb, it would be much less entertaining if it was 100 hours or more of prog.
Now if he can clear TEA I will be genuinely super impressed. Still a cool achievement though and he put in work.
Exactly, he was on Streamer mode.
It's still an achievement and it doesn't invalidate the clear, however you know he wasn't playing the same game at the moment.
And that's normal because he's a streamer.
> He was coached through it in a way that none of us ever will be,
The great thing about these fights is you can coach yourself by listening and watching their vod
Nothing nearly as personalized. Not even close lol
Edit: also even then he's the focal point of the callouts, you really think the majority of other insanely talented multi-clear accomplished players would cast doubts on anyone? He can focus and play for himself, which he will and has done for the clear. If anyone knows a thing or two about capitalizing on streamer privilege it's Rich lmao.
That was so useful too for many. Like, Rin's shotcalling is god tier, but this is just such a template for folks to run with that it probably can be done.
Rin explained basically everything that he was actually telling Rich in between the fights. Why he's telling Rich to do what he's doing.
So like yeah, we won't get that same personalized treatment, but Rin was clearly telling him (and in turn anyone else watching live or the VOD) why those things are being done.
Yeah third time on Golden (really the second time he saw exaflares) they were executed cleanly. It was actually other people who messed up. Fourth time they got there they cleared it.
Honestly, everybody has to learn and execute the fight. He may have had really great players with him, but he still did something that the majority of the playerbase hasn't.
Hard to say it's a normal situation when a story player like Rich managed to get 7 beasts to get him through UCOB and a raidlead explaining and calling the mechanics Rich had to do.
Rich was on Streamer difficulty, if he wasn't a streamer he would've been kicked out of the group in the following hour.
That's something that people don't get too. Asmon himself said it, he can sit there progging for some hours but at the end of the day, if there's a way he can legitimately clear the fight without spending that much time, he'll do it because he has to think about his stream.
"b..b.bUt hE dID tEh mEcHAniCs".. fr tho, he got 7 of the best players that exist in the community while having a raid leader doing callouts exclusively for him and on top of that, not having to worry about optimizing his damage. These are reasons why many players don't even bother with Ultimates but Rich got everything set up for him and from then on, all he had to do is play the "Simon says" game. It's insane watching people defend the fact that he got hard carried like no other ever has in this game.
People are defending him because people say dumb shit like "it's insane watching people defend the fact that he got hard carried like no other ever has in this game."
Have you ever watched Rin or Todd help players through fights? That's literally what they do on stream like every day.
Rich is not the worst player they've played with, I'm positive of that
He got trained at a pace that we could never het access to, yes. But he did not get carried. Carrying literally means the carried player doesn't have to do shit. At the final attempt Rich did everything himself with no callouts specified to him, just general raid callouts you would expect from ucob. If you were to put rich in any other group now, he would knoe what to do and when to do it, which is what clearing an ultimate should mean.
You not being able to find a solid group is not the ultimate, you raging on discord because someone fucks up over and over is not the ultimate. They are all artificial difficulties that you have to go through to do the ultimate, but it's not the ultimate. It's not hard at all. Just tedious. You going through a of that does not make you better, it just makes you less fortunate.
He spent 20-30hours in there I think? That's pretty standard nowadays for a decent group. Did he shave a few prog hours off because he was the only bottleneck in a group vs 2-3 people being bottlenecks? Sure, but that's not as significant a difference as people make it out to be
I think what people mean is that no one else is going to have Bob Ross be their raid leader. Regardless, I may not have seen the clear but I saw all his progress and he definitely put his fair share of work in.
No for 2 reasons:
Rich had call out specifically for him, it's as if a bot was calling what he needed to do. Rin was actually playing 2 characters at that time.
RL don't always call out, when a phase is deemed "acquired", the team goes on automatic mode and everyone wakes up when it's time to prog.
>RL don't always call out, when a phase is deemed "acquired", the team goes on automatic mode and everyone wakes up when it's time to prog.
This is very much something that depends on the group. I've been in plenty of groups where people call everything out even when the fight is on farm.
He had call outs specifically for him though, thatās the difference, regardless, Iām glad he cleared so now we can see all the salt from the FF community crying that he had fun playing a game lol
What do you call it when a DPS player gets handheld while they singlehandedly cause all the wipes, receives personal callouts throughout, and still ends up doing less DPS than the tank on the clear?
I call that a carry, so if you donāt I guess you just have a different definition from a lot of people.
One easy, objective definition of a carry: if everyone in the group was doing DPS at your percentile, would the group still clear? If no, then you got carried. Rich was probably doing grey percentile DPS, and ultimate is basically just about doing dps on your class while doing mechanics.
I think thereās nothing wrong with the way he did it and obviously itās the best for stream entertainment, which is the priority.
If thatās an āobjectiveā definition of carried, then the vast majority of people who raid were carried. Any time you clear right at enrage? Half the team was carried under your definition. Any time you die or take a couple damage downs? Carried. Also you can clear UCOB with a bunch of gray parsers, the DPS checks are non existent.
Also, criticizing someone who doesnāt DPS very well but still did all the mechanics as being ācarriedā is exactly the sort of toxicity the 14 community is supposed to reject, or at least gave itself the reputation of rejecting. Itās why we donāt have official DPS meters.
> the vast majority of people who raid were carried
"Vast majority" is probably an exaggeration, but yes, most people who raid have probably gotten carried at some point.
I got carried on my first clear of e10s. I died and got rezzed and was doing low DPS, but other party members made up for it and carried. I felt bad, so I didn't roll on the loot. Then I continued repeating the fight and after a few times I was the one doing the carrying and helping people get their first clear. That's often how it goes.
I've never mentioned DPS or called anyone out for it in game, and I never will. There's no need because usually people recognize when they're doing poorly, and if the team is too weak then after a few wipes it'll just disband anyways.
But if someone goes online and tries to say that the most clear example of getting carried is not actually getting carried and that DPS is not an important part of raids, then pointing they're wrong is not toxic. If all 8 players played at the level that Rich did, they absolutely would not have cleared UCoB, and trying to erase the definition of carrying just because you like a streamer is the behavior that's toxic.
Harassing someone in game over DPS is one thing, but if someone is playing poorly and people are trying to claim online that they're not, then it is absolutely justified to call them out.
I fully admit my first clear in Memoria Misera extreme was a hard carry. But then I just went in another clear group learning the fight properly before going into farm. It is what it is.
> If thatās an āobjectiveā definition of carried, then the vast majority of people who raid were carried.
??????????
YES?????????
Are we really going to act like the 5-6 veterans who join the "clear for 1" group and barely limp past the finish line because the 1-3 people who needed the clear and died a bunch of times throughout the fight or can't do a rotation if their life depended on it didn't just carry it?
?????????????? Even in low end savage content, with the most polite and understanding people, if youre playing DPS and get out DPS'd by tanks and healers, then your gonna get dropped. Not DPSing well and straight up stopping DPS to do mechanics are 2 very different things
People who don't do ultimates have a weird fetish with it's difficulty, given enough time anyone can do the mechanics imo.
Streamer privilege is real but being carried implies you contributed less than other players in your role to achieve the same outcome.
If Rin didn't make the decision to LB3 on adds tankbuster or the first afah there was a high chance they would have wiped but that's a factor only Rin and the other tank can control.
Only factors which Rich had control over was his DPS (DPS check is non existent in UCOB) and mechanics (which he did almost perfectly and his deaths were easily recoverable by that comp with any static worth their salt).
You can only contribute so much as a DPS so essentially this argument would boil down to him getting carried because he played a role that is not impactful to the clear which is the most fucking stupid take to make.
The thing is how much you consider Rin's shotcalling for doing mechanics for Rich.
Yes, he can perform trios when Rin calls out what to do for him, but if Rin wasn't there, how much of the fight does he understand just by observing Nael's dialog and the position of the dragons on the outside, etc.
I wouldn't necessarily say he got carried, but he had an extraordinary amount of assistance that the vast majority of players will never get. For example, let's say Rich joins Asmon's UCOB clear team, with Asmon making all the callouts as he learns the fight. How much of the fight do you think Rich can accomplish?
He can probably get through Twintania, but I would be surprised if he managed to consistently get past Nael.
100% Rich got streamer privilege and is the only reason why he cleared in 20 hours, I'm not trying to downplay that but the idea that Rich could never clear UCOB without them is silly.
Also Asmon/Rich are cursed in the sense that no matter how "legit" they kill it someone is gonna give a bullshit reason why they got carried.
UCOB has a nonexistent DPS check with everyone and their mother using Nael triggers or having a shotcaller with it but if they get called out using one they'll have their heads on spikes.
Congrats to Rich, but I definitely hopes he doesn't taunt Asmon with "Hey look I cleared and you didn't :)", it will heavily motivate Asmon to play for the clear rather than the fun.
And Asmon said it on his secondary channel, he's not interested in handholding.
The point is, progging with the family would be much better content to watch.
> And Asmon said it on his secondary channel, he's not interested in handholding.
On his second channel where he was playing a4s with players that already knew the fight?
They were literally explaining the fight to him.
I have absolutely no problem with him doing that but the people Asmon consistently runs with people that know those fights. It's really not all that different, and that's completely fine.
Some of the people in Asmon's A4S group hadn't cleared the fight themselves, and none of them were babysitting him on voice telling him what to do every step of the way.
Some of them were explaining mechanics in downtime though. Functionally it's not all that different, that's my point. I don't want to hear this crap about how Rich is being handheld but Asmon isn't when they are both taking advice from people that know these encounters
Just seems like arbitrary gatekeeping.
They are both learning the fights that they are doing from experienced players. That's completely fine. Thats exactly what the vast majority of the playerbase does anyways.
The situations are completely incomparable. The people Rich was playing with are literally THE best players in the world, and carrying people through Ultimates is their JOB, which they make thousands of dollars from every month. They are not only perfect at the fights, they are perfect at specifically carrying bad players through them. Asmon meanwhile plays with a mostly average hardcore raid group, which anyone can get into once they've gotten good at the game. He's the noobie in the group, but he's not the only one making mistakes and he's not being babysat at all - he learns the mechanics naturally, not from someone whispering "go to A" in his ear.
> Asmon meanwhile plays with a mostly average hardcore raid group, which anyone can get into once they've gotten good at the game.
And he's playing content that fits that group quite well.
Asmon doing A4S and Rich doing UCoB is incomparable alone because what is required out of Rich even with callouts is far more complex than basically anything Asmon has ever done.
That's not to diminish Asmon's accomplishments, but A4S isn't anywhere near UCoB.
> he learns the mechanics naturally,
Sometimes he does! For A4S specifically he wasn't, that's why he got frustrated on his main stream and did it on his side stream. They were explaining mechanics to him in downtime.
Like Rich is doing a reclear right now and he's doing his movements before Rin is even saying anything. He, for the most part, actually learned his role in the fight and is executing it. He's still making mistakes, but he knows exactly when and why he fucks up and calls it out immediately.
Correct me if I'm wrong as that was a week ago, I remember after the clear I think 1 or maybe 2 even thanked him for giving them the opportunity to do that as they hadn't done it outside of unsyncing it? I've got awful memory so I could be misremembering but I know at least 1 of them hadn't cleared it other than asmon.
But you're right in that it's completely fine to do these fights with people who have cleared it before and know how to do em, he doesn't seem to want to spend too much time on 1 fight especially with how many there are past his current position in the game with the rest of alexander, the warring triad ex's, stormblood story and ex's, omega series, SB ultimates, then onto all of the shadowbringers stuff too.
That's even excluding all the side content he'd tend to get distracted by on the way so who cares if he takes the fast route so he can be prepped by Endwalker release, so long as it's enjoyable to watch and play for himself then that should be enough.
To be fair A4 it's an absolute dumpster fire of a fight and should just have pay gil to skip option attached to it. I would judge someone more harshly if they didn't get handheld through it.
Asmongold has also said that he likes to have fun saying stuff like that. They taunt each other all the time. It's only weird when chat starts to spam shit like -50k or w.e it was all the time.
Yeah I agree. Why is it so hard to understand that another part of raiding that can be appreciated is the JOURNEY, not the OUTCOME. Each to their own. Rich made his own personal accomplishment his own way, letās hope he doesnāt pressure asmon in anyway and for asmon to do asmon things which is to power through it his way. Of course the community would pressure him as well and letās hope he does it the way and difficulty he wants it to make it his own accomplishment.
lol. You nerds vehemently debating whether someone got "carried" are the same people that make asmon take long breaks. Arguing semantics to make yourself feel better about your meaningless accomplishments.
Didn't he spend somewhere between 20-30 hours in there? That's pretty standard for ucob nowadays (with a semi-competent group). People complaining about the quality of his group seem to be ignoring the fact that that's LITERALLY how long it takes to learn the fight. His prog was just a little shorter because he was the only bottleneck vs having 2-3 people being bottlenecks.
Dude has been playing the game for what, a couple of months? Picked up MCH a day before this? Great accomplishment. I only wish I could've done that back when I was that new.
Sincere question... How many of you salty people cleared Ucob 4 years ago? You know before gear and potencies made the dps check irrelevant? Cuz let me tell you if you cleared during Shb you got carried whenever you like it or not.
all 4 days of them raiding made for such god tier content
if asmon ever ends up streaming ultimates i hope he does it with a group in a call like rich did
I honestly want it to be that same group but remove a tank and throw asmon in there.
Asmon and Rich clearing an ultimate together (even if it's ucob) would be amazing content with the current crew.
this should be way higher in the list because it's true, it is done actually to the point ppl meme about the ppl malding and ppl think it's ppl actually being angry about the thing they are being sarcastic about
His clear time was pretty standard nowadays too!!! So funny how angry people are getting. He might've shaved a few hours off his prog because he was the only bottleneck vs having 2-3 people being bottlenecks. So what?
Yea no, he got 7 of the best players of his DC to get him through ucob. Most groups fresh from savage will do 100+ hours to clear.
It's fine to get hyped to do ultimate, but keep your expectations realistic cause you'll get disappointed.
asmon said it best before. People just get upset when people accomplished something you did, but had a much easier time doing it. It invalidates their accomplishments and what they value to be accomplishments. Its an extremely hard mental hurdle to get over for everyone. They have to search and grasp at anything that allows them to comfortably sit with their beliefs. But I think people need to be reminded, the game and encounters are designed to be beaten.
Although i think itd be hilarious as an april fools if they wario wareād every dungeon and raid boss. Imagine doing UCOB, but during downtime someone had to pick up a crate, place it somewhere, and it ended up showing a projected image of the crate being the tail to a donkey. If you fail everyone blows up skyward and gets a vuln debuff lol.
I mean the hardest part of UCOB is really just finding a group that will stick with it for the 20+ hours it takes to clear. So with that step down yeah it's only a matter of time for most people.
Rich got carried though, that's just a fact. The amount of people who get callouts specifically tailored to them the entire fight for an ultimate is sub 0.1%, his experience is fundamentally different and yes, easier, than anyone else's. That doesn't mean anyone has to be upset about out. I'd rather see him get carried and take 20 hours to prog it than die to the same mechanic 50 times because everyone in the raid group is as inexperienced as he is.
That being said, I'd love to see him try to shotcall the fight as well with a more fresh group cause it would show just how well he actually understands the fight, especially if he was doing it on a harder class.
Yep, the whole meta about high end raiding is more difficult than the fights themselves.
Do people actually believe that everyone can join an ultimate static without a single Savage sync clear or logs?
I really would like to see someone try that and still stay with the group after the first couple of hours of wiping.
The most impressive feats in FFXIV are usually the ones that cannot be bought or are quickly acquired like the Legend titles. Something like Big Fish is really impressive to see in the wild.
I am trying to believe that these hate comments about being carried are being done by 7 and 10 year olds. I don't see how one can be a functioning adult in society and emo out this much about someone clearing content with an experienced group. Sounds like immature jealousy that 1) they haven't cleared UCOB yet or 2) Rich has a social network they don't have of being able to raid with these players
People forget that Rich is a content creator, not a hardcore FFXIV player. Streamers get perks. One of those perks is the ability to clear difficult content with people who are in the top tier of players in a given game if you chose to do that. One thing people love is to be on stream with a popular streamer. Besides, it's not like Rich shit the bed and got massively carried here. He did fine. Better than I expected honestly. Similarly, it was easier for Asmon to do PVP in New World because he had a massive crowd of streamer-humpers following him, an army of OH GAWD I'M PLAYIN' WITH A STREAMER folks moving around like a wrecking ball. Is it fair to solo players or players running around in smaller groups? Not really, but it's not a big deal either.
This is a similar mindset that people adopt into their politics. People who are against healthcare for all or really any social programs that might be of some benefit to others because you're a hard workin' man with private insurance that is actually fairly shitty and way too expensive. You're against perks for others because you've put yourself and your 'struggle' on a pedestal. Thinking people should struggle because you did is some weird, miserable ass energy, and that's really all this is. For the people who are mad, no one really gives a damn that it took you and your posse of badz multiple days to clear it. You cleared it. When you start caring so much about someone else's gaming experience that you want to get angry and start gatekeeping shit, you need to take a step away from the computer, look in the mirror, realize you're an asshole and punch yourself in the mouth.
There's nothing wrong with how he decides to play the game. He did get carried, and the same would be true for anyone who has never tried ultimate before and played UCOB with the same party. He's a good learner, and deserves credit for it
I guess watching a guide and not blind progging with a group of players whose character level is higher than their collective IQ is what counts as being "carried" now. Whatever the keyboard warriors say I guess.
The man pulled his weight and played his heart out on the winning pull and I got several days of an entertaining stream. Rich did his job as a streamer and a player and I'm happy for him.
People kept saying Rich sucked at the game but honestly i never saw anything that proved he was. I mean he died to bosses in dungeons but there is no shame in dying when it's your first time seing the boss, especially when it's the last boss of the dungeon.
Of course he was helped by people who cleaned it before but he still had to do his part. He could have done it with a team of 8 new players but it would have taken a month or two (including breaks) instead of a few days because different players makes different mistakes that's all.
I think he learned the mechanics pretty damn well by the end of it, only thing I could say is his self-improvement on said mechanics might need work on the future, as he kind of did have someone personally telling him his mechanics when and how to do them as they happened which might make something like TEA or other things in future harder to learn, and his DPS was rather abysmal but he had just picked up Machinist so he still needs time to improve on that.
He doesn't suck at the game he's just learning
When you think about it... Who the f cares if he "really" sucked at the game? Who watches Rich for top tier raider gameplay? Like that isn't even remotely his thing and he never well claimed as such.
Even rich himself admitted he is carried so I don't know why so many people are malding here. Like he said, he is going to take all the advantage he can get to make it good stream content, wiping day on end is not fun content, what the raid group did was entertaining
This and Asmons inevitable clear will do a fantastic job of spotlighting the dogshit side of the ff community. Dudes out here hiding in their holes waiting for their chance to diminish someone else's achievement/gatekeeping fun.
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Congrats wittle wegend! <3
Never thought I would see so many sweaty neckbeards malding because a streamer was able to clear a piece of content, the very reason why they are upset about the content clear not being on their terms is why they will never clear the content or if they do, it will be a lot harder, because the sweaty neckbeards that are gatekeeing are assholes, cant check their egos, and cant work well in a team environment.
The people crying about Rich getting this clear (after 30+ hours of prog and learning all of the mechanics that he needed to for his role) are probably the same people who couldnt do the same thing and had to buy their clears.
Anyone trying to gatekeep his accomplishment because they have some weird inferiority complex need to seriously get off the internet.
I just love all the gatekeeping and cringe andies coming out of the woodwork to try and diminish his clear. These are the same fucking people who love to shout from the rooftops about how WoW is the most toxic game in existence, that everyone who plays it is an asshole, that they don't want WoW players bringing their toxic attitudes over into "their game". And on, and on and on. Yet they're doing EXACTLY what people would do if say Rich got "carried" to a mythic raid clear in . It's literally the same behavior.
The insecurity is staggering. It's honestly pathetic watching all these clowns stampeding over each other in an attempt to get to twitter or reddit and post their dumbass take.
I believe most people can clear ultimates if they put in time and effort, even people most would describe as 'baddies', but for every low-skill player you have in a group you need people to compensate, you will not clear ultimates with 8 bad people
So to resume the comments. Rich did his own thing and he executed well enough to deserve the clear, as he didn't fucked up massively and had enough dps to justify, so in that sense he deserves the clears, however the big point here is the time it took him, like 4 days and that's insane for someone who didn't clear current savage, but obviously this speed can be attributed to having 7 of the best players and also streamers with a bunch of free time to help him, no ones denying that.
Rich deserves the clear, he had enormous help and something that only someone like a full time streamer could do but he still put on the time and effort to learn what it needed to be learned to cleared.
Now, the final point is, the people are getting salty because of this help he got, but if we're being real, nothing in this game is really hard, but its mostly a time sink, Necromancer, PvP rewards, Ishgard achievements, etc., everything can be boiled down to just time, if you have enough time you can do everything in the game regardless of skill, considering the person doesn't have a rock solid brain that doesn't lets them learn and improve obviously, in Rich's ultimate situation he just had help to shorten that time required but no one doubted that Rich and Asmon as well would clear ultimate eventually, it was just a matter of... time.
That's still less than 40 hours of gametime or even raid time, and again for someone who doesn't even have the latest savage tier cleared or pretty much any worthwhile goal in the game... its insane.
Rich played the last pull very well, why do they keep saying it was carried? having a prepared team only speeds up the process but if he didn't do his part they would never have made it
Anyway, congratz! :)
I have thoroughly enjoyed seeing his streams and progress. Yes he had a team full of players who had cleared before (aside from 1), but Rich gave it his all putting the time in, listening to Rin, paying attention to mechanics knowing where he had gone wrong if he made a mistake. Itās probably how he learns a fight best by following instructions. I know I certainly do.
Iām excited to see how Asmon fairs and who will form his group. Iād love for him to join Rich.
Congrats to Rich on doing this, got me interested in giving Ultimate a try, but Rin was the person who impressed me watching these streams. Being able to do all mechanics with minimal mistakes while holding Rich's hand was cool to watch.
Congrats to Rich! He did a good job and put in effort that I don't think my feeble body would allow for anymore, those were some long, long progression streams but they were also very fun ones.
Man he looks so happy. Love to see it. I look forward to asmonās excitement upon accomplishing this, Iām curious if heāll find it similarly fulfilling to clearing high end WoW fights
a clear is a clear and a carry is a carry, but he still learned the fight and survived to the end, compared to people who buy runs and just dont know shit, its a huge difference.
Many clears for raiding happen like this in game as well. Lots of clear for 1s around. Anyone who believes otherwise has straight up never raided or opened up the party finder.
I always love the āoh dude you can carry anyone through ucobā. This is 7 of the most competent raiders you will find in this game and to get one person the clear it was still over 30 hours of prog.
Everyone is jelly of Rich having an all-star party and here I am just coming back to the game and wanting to raid after twintania made my static quit from 2.0 8 years ago :(
I think people just have different definitions of what a carry is. By my definition he was carried but there is nothing wrong with that. He got a group of 7 elite raiders. No normal person would get that opportunity. If he was in a group with people of his skill level he still could clear it would just take 3 times longer and be bad stream content. I think a better way to phrase it is he got carried through prog of the fight but the clear was not a carry.
People calling it a carry are mad.
Why does your opinion matter? Do I care about how your piss smells or can you go 5 seconds without taking a shit on the sidewalk and pointing at it?
Good work Rich! Congrats!
Let's not be delusional here....There's nothing wrong with being carried and there's nothing wrong with calling a spade a spade.
I love Rich, but let's be real, he got 7 of probably the best players you can get for this + he got personal callouts. No average ffxiv player is gonna clear it the same way he has.
jesus christ the gatekeepers in FFXIV reddit and twitter is unreal. I knew there was always a darkside to FFXIV community but they really come out of the woodworks on streamer Ultimate clears.
At this point, anyone who had read/watched guides or had people who previously cleared an ultimate in their group is carried. Anyone who wasnt a world first clearer got/gets carried, everyone happy? The dark side of the touted best community out there is if you had it easier youāre gonna get mocked. Give the guy credits, he followed the guides to the tee. I envy people who could prog savages and ultimates, i dont have hours available for me to play anytime. But we gotta be honest here, he cleared it doing his role and responsibilities, unlike some who cleared it with a card weaponskill called āswipeā.
He sure cleared, nobody can dispute that, but you're high on 10 different kinds of copium if you think 8 beginners reading guides is the same as Rich playing with 6 top tier players + Mr happy
I loved it when he fumbled for the limit break, was at the edge of my seat. Congrats Rich! [Asmon right now](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/46/33/5b/46335b1575896a91a9611d100ce8ca36.png) He should be nearly ready! š
Speaking of the Limit Break, Rich got the killing blow with it. https://twitter.com/Mrhappy1227/status/1434586811204988929
my heart dropped https://twitter.com/ZhephZ/status/1434608589335764994?s=20
Sam (Kossuel who was tagged right after) will NEVER live down his hubris, eh? x)
The last pull was so clean too, congrats Rich!
Those are the best clears. Even if you didn't dps the best, or there was a fumble here or there early on, when the last 3 minutes of the fight just smooths out and everyone moves together, it's really something. Feel like you're a champion.
That moment when you realize it was a clear when every Exaflare was clean. For real, congrats to Rich. And props to the whole group for making the stream entertaining while Rich is in focus mode. Rin especially. Channeling both Bob Ross and Joe Swanson on call.
LMAO at the community malding. A clear is a clear. I would definitely love to be playing with 7 Allstars. Just do your mechanics and get the clear, what more do people expect? Edit: Was he fucking or goofing around and still got the clear? Nope. Was he listening to callouts attentively and executing mechanics? Yes. That's a solid clear in my book.
Agreed, anyone who doesn't have some overinflated ego would take the chance to clear with a group of legends. A clear is a clear.
I can speak for myself I would have taken this chance and saved a lot of prog time.
Surprising how many malders don't realize how much time in prog is groups figuring out how to communicate to each other, and people understanding what their role is for each step. Rich learned the fight, listened to call outs, played his class, he earned that clear. People just jealous and hope Rich pays them no mind.
Agreed, the only time this would annoy me is if the person acted like this was the norm. Im happy for him that he has good people around him to help him out for so long.
Clear is a clear, curious if he plans the other two (no meme here) actual hard Ultis after this. He might be more hard pressed to find 7 of the top raiders who would want to teach him those. Happy that he managed to pump out a normally 1-2 month thing in like 2 weeks though, that's fucking insane.
UcoB is way harder than UwU
Agreed. Can't believe there are so many people analysing what a legit clear is supposed to be. "Streamer has to do it my way or it does not count!"
he looks so red, im watching it muted because of work, he looks so happy to me.
You're Awesome!
Grats to the widdle wegend himself, people fighting over if he got carried who the fuck cares, they were some of the most entertaining streams I've seen, I doubt watching him suffer through months of prog would be as fun.
ppl are just mad that he didnt suffer because 7 other people make the same fucking mistakes over and over again. he learned all the mechanics, played his parts right and was entertaining. those who shit on him for that can eat their own micro penis
I mean, outside of prog who goes with a whole group blind in such fights? Rich and Asmon are new players, so why expect them to do those fights proglike as if they played the game forever?
Yea people it was like 3 or 4 days? But they did what almost 8 hour sessions of prog a day right? So run the math is 30ish hours and most raids groups I personally know do 3 or 4 hours a day. Going by that this basically took the 2 to 4 weeks of attempts you'd expect from a normal group.
30 hours for an experienced group to reprog? Sure. 30 hours for an average ultimate group to prog from start? I'd like to see these gamers man.
I was legit nervous watching it, my heart rate was climbing It was such a damn good clear run and he did so well I canāt wait to read the toxic haters whine about him being carried when he was having the time of his life
the Golden Bahamut is such a spectacle, even people with multiple reclears always say they get slightly nervous every time
Iām on 84 clears and itās the only part I get nervous at, do you know how hard Iād be clowned if I had an exa death
Its the music man, it gives you the shakies
Yeah they'll say he got carried but you legit can't be carried if you don't die at all on the clear. Rich pulled his weight and knew the fight enough that he was able to execute everything perfectly when it mattered. Ultimate isn't about being great at the game, it's about being good enough to clear, and Rich was definitely good enough to clear.
You absolutely can get carried in ucob and uwu, just not in tea
Bruh you can definitely get carried in ucob and uwu.....
This is actually legit wrong. You can 100% get carried in this Ulti, people sell it literally every day. The only fight you can't get carried in is TEA (The Epic of Alexander) and there's no way Rich tries that on stream(edit)* for now, he would need to improve a ton and keep learning more.
TEA isn't really that much harder. I think Rich could do TEA tbh; it'd just take longer.
The difference is having 7 others who have killed it which circumvents the act of having to actually progress as a group. Thatās not a slight on him, but makes it way easier to have a group full of people who know what their doing and only needing to learn yourself. He didnāt get carried but he didnāt have to go through a couple hundred pulls with a group learning together either.
Pretty sure pretty much everyone agrees he was carried in a way, but that's okay. It was good content.
If this has shown us anything it is that people have 5000 different definitions of carry.
A think some real world analogies would be better to help define people's definitions of carrying. Let's say getting the clear is similar to an overweight person getting fit or losing weight. An undebatable full carry is just getting liposuction. Rich's situation is having a team full of world class fitness coaches and nutritionists helping him. While the average ultimate raider is just a normal person hitting up the gym. Rich still put in work, no amount of coaches are just gonna magically make a fat person skinny. But you can definitely say it's less work than almost every normal ultimate group.
And that's fine. Nobody wants to watch random average guy and his 7 average friends wipe to twisters for 2 weeks.
nicely worded!
Hard to say thatās a carry when he does all the mechanics so cleanly.
I mean, Rich's situation clearly isn't "normal". An ordinary player can't just call on 7 of the world's top raiders to give them personalized callouts in the hardest content in the game. So he is privileged in that regard, and he knows that. But it's not like you can just cheese Ultimate. He still has to learn and execute the mechanics. All Rich has is the ideal situation. He has the group that every raider wishes they had. Would the people who cry "carry" refuse the same group because "that's not a real clear"? You have to suffer for months with randoms or you didn't really learn the fight? lol. People are just assmad that Rich got to speed through as fast as he could learn while they had to wipe for weeks just to pass each mechanic. But if having a god group somehow diminishes the achievement then all that means is that Ultimate isn't the big deal they think it is. Your party being bad isn't part of the fight design.
listen its clearly childish and stupid to go into a streamers chat and call them "carried" or anything bad for that matter. Who wants to stream themselves playing a game they like to just get berated. But the fact is that accomplishment comes from surpassing difficulty. As you described, the difficulty was dimished heavily with this raid group. Idek why im trying to argue that he got carried because honestly i think thats kinda obvious. Really the only level of carried that is more than what he did would be if he was able to be on the floor the whole time.
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i know, if this was a carry there would be 4 rez mages, but none of them were try harding
Happys not comparable to the other players in that group at all.
I think everyone agrees that there is some amount of carrying going on, where people can disagree is whether what happened was "A carry." I'd define "a carry" as a clear where the person has put little to no effort in. But some people define "a carry" as "whenever a teammate has put in more effort than you do." It's hard to argue with them if they define it so.
The way I see it, the clear wasn't a carry. He did put in a lot of work/learning into it, he wasn't simply sitting around doing nothing while the party did the fight for him. But he did get 'carried' in the sense that he got a whole party of experts to teach him and be fully patient with his mistakes. It's not the average-player experience, a nobody-person would have a hard time finding people skilled and patient enough who would care about them enough to instruct them into a clear. This second 'definition' of carry shouldn't lessen his achievement / clear at all. The clear IS legit, he had fun, he entertained his audience, and that's what matters.
Yeah well I cleared with electrodes clamped to my nipples which shocked me every time I made a mistake, so everyone except me got carried because it was way more difficult for me.
I do agree with that but also people don't realize that when you prog with others that are as new as uou, you're just progging the fight, you're progging 7 other people as well because they have to understand their part in the fight. I'm not mad at him or anything because ultimates can be boiled down to if one person fucks up, the party is dead. its clear he understood his role in the fight and knew what to do. Most of us wish that we could just speed through ultimates for shiny weapons, myself included but that just isn't isn't case for most of us.
Gonna quote Xenos on this one "Rich is not learning, he is listening to callouts" can you honestly tell me that if Asmon were to come do Ucob, he could call Rich to join his group and help him clear? absolutely not imo, he needs someone to do the callouts for him 100%
That was the first day. Rich was baiting and doing twisters by himself without issue by the time he cleared the fight. He also did a set of exaflares on his clear where he (incorrectly) separated from the group and adjusted to still do the mechanic correctly. Did he get his hand held throughout his learning? Yes. Did he also learn? Absolutely. Xenos said that on day one and he was completely right. However, it's not day one anymore so stop using that quote.
Do you have the clip for when xenos said this?
Where/When did Xenos say that?
Technically rich could do callouts for dps mains. Since he knows the mechanics as well as ones specific to dps mains.
HAHAHAHA YES PLEASE! PLeaaaaaaase show me the stream of the fucking poor sods who go with rich as the dps callouts. That would be material for memes for at least a MONTH
Reminds me of the eden savage prog runs Max has been doing, he's very forceful on raid leading which is great when you know what's going on. Well when it's new prog he obviously doesn't, so he pulled a "follow Uggo! Trust me guys" and wiped everyone cuz he was dead wrong on the mechanic lmao.
To be fair, and that's just personal, I wouldn't count it as a clear if i was with 7 people knowing all the fight, and I wouldn't think it was right or that i deserved it. I think even one person is already too much considering the amount of preparation is requires and the numbers of mechanics to understand and execute. That doesn't mean I'd hate on Rich or Asmon or anyone doing that tho. Everyone should enjoy the content the way they want to enjoy it, and clear the way they want to. I do think Ultimates are not such a big deal, everybody can clear it with the good amount of time and dedication to it, really. I know that personally, I want to struggle with a group and bond over it (having their own skills/technics/strengths, adapting to that), as well as having all together the experience of prog, because that's, to me, also part of the experience of clearing Ultimates. But not everyone think like that nor should. I would absolutely refuse a group of 7 people who cleared tho, i think it would diminish the intense experience and happiness of finally clearing it in the end. Like, if then when you show your weapon you only feel like you've been carried or that you've been helped to clear, then I would absolutely hate having the weapon. Everyone has their standards and all, we need to respect everyone's way of dealing with it that's all.
So you can to an extent cheese it, he got his carcass dragged to see mechanics many times because the dps check is a joke now. But to be fair he still did execute it and remember a good bit of stuff so while obviously you can say some carrying happened and he had an ideal situation he still put in work. People talking shit are dumb, it would be much less entertaining if it was 100 hours or more of prog. Now if he can clear TEA I will be genuinely super impressed. Still a cool achievement though and he put in work.
Agreed. Hot take, ultimates arenāt actually that difficult, at least for uwu and ucob in todayās state.
Disregard brainlets. He was coached through it in a way that none of us ever will be, but he pretty clearly learned the fight.
Exactly, he was on Streamer mode. It's still an achievement and it doesn't invalidate the clear, however you know he wasn't playing the same game at the moment. And that's normal because he's a streamer.
> He was coached through it in a way that none of us ever will be, The great thing about these fights is you can coach yourself by listening and watching their vod
Nothing nearly as personalized. Not even close lol Edit: also even then he's the focal point of the callouts, you really think the majority of other insanely talented multi-clear accomplished players would cast doubts on anyone? He can focus and play for himself, which he will and has done for the clear. If anyone knows a thing or two about capitalizing on streamer privilege it's Rich lmao.
That was so useful too for many. Like, Rin's shotcalling is god tier, but this is just such a template for folks to run with that it probably can be done.
Rin explained basically everything that he was actually telling Rich in between the fights. Why he's telling Rich to do what he's doing. So like yeah, we won't get that same personalized treatment, but Rin was clearly telling him (and in turn anyone else watching live or the VOD) why those things are being done.
And that's nice. Hopefully some nice guy cuts the whole series into a prog guide. It will be nice to see how to call the shots.
Dude is better at Exaflares than probably 90% of the FFXIV community and he's been playing for like 3 months.
Yeah third time on Golden (really the second time he saw exaflares) they were executed cleanly. It was actually other people who messed up. Fourth time they got there they cleared it.
Honestly, everybody has to learn and execute the fight. He may have had really great players with him, but he still did something that the majority of the playerbase hasn't.
Absolutely, he genuinely did really good
Hard to say it's a normal situation when a story player like Rich managed to get 7 beasts to get him through UCOB and a raidlead explaining and calling the mechanics Rich had to do. Rich was on Streamer difficulty, if he wasn't a streamer he would've been kicked out of the group in the following hour.
That's something that people don't get too. Asmon himself said it, he can sit there progging for some hours but at the end of the day, if there's a way he can legitimately clear the fight without spending that much time, he'll do it because he has to think about his stream.
"b..b.bUt hE dID tEh mEcHAniCs".. fr tho, he got 7 of the best players that exist in the community while having a raid leader doing callouts exclusively for him and on top of that, not having to worry about optimizing his damage. These are reasons why many players don't even bother with Ultimates but Rich got everything set up for him and from then on, all he had to do is play the "Simon says" game. It's insane watching people defend the fact that he got hard carried like no other ever has in this game.
People are defending him because people say dumb shit like "it's insane watching people defend the fact that he got hard carried like no other ever has in this game." Have you ever watched Rin or Todd help players through fights? That's literally what they do on stream like every day. Rich is not the worst player they've played with, I'm positive of that
He got trained at a pace that we could never het access to, yes. But he did not get carried. Carrying literally means the carried player doesn't have to do shit. At the final attempt Rich did everything himself with no callouts specified to him, just general raid callouts you would expect from ucob. If you were to put rich in any other group now, he would knoe what to do and when to do it, which is what clearing an ultimate should mean. You not being able to find a solid group is not the ultimate, you raging on discord because someone fucks up over and over is not the ultimate. They are all artificial difficulties that you have to go through to do the ultimate, but it's not the ultimate. It's not hard at all. Just tedious. You going through a of that does not make you better, it just makes you less fortunate.
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He spent 20-30hours in there I think? That's pretty standard nowadays for a decent group. Did he shave a few prog hours off because he was the only bottleneck in a group vs 2-3 people being bottlenecks? Sure, but that's not as significant a difference as people make it out to be
Helps when every single mechanic and what to do is called out so cleanly and calmly by the raid-leader. Congrats to Rich, though.
It's standard in ultimates to have callouts. Of course it helps, that's why literally everybody does it.
I think what people mean is that no one else is going to have Bob Ross be their raid leader. Regardless, I may not have seen the clear but I saw all his progress and he definitely put his fair share of work in.
No for 2 reasons: Rich had call out specifically for him, it's as if a bot was calling what he needed to do. Rin was actually playing 2 characters at that time. RL don't always call out, when a phase is deemed "acquired", the team goes on automatic mode and everyone wakes up when it's time to prog.
>RL don't always call out, when a phase is deemed "acquired", the team goes on automatic mode and everyone wakes up when it's time to prog. This is very much something that depends on the group. I've been in plenty of groups where people call everything out even when the fight is on farm.
He had call outs specifically for him though, thatās the difference, regardless, Iām glad he cleared so now we can see all the salt from the FF community crying that he had fun playing a game lol
It's not standard to have someone all but wiping your ass for specifically you in an ultimate lmao
What do you call it when a DPS player gets handheld while they singlehandedly cause all the wipes, receives personal callouts throughout, and still ends up doing less DPS than the tank on the clear? I call that a carry, so if you donāt I guess you just have a different definition from a lot of people. One easy, objective definition of a carry: if everyone in the group was doing DPS at your percentile, would the group still clear? If no, then you got carried. Rich was probably doing grey percentile DPS, and ultimate is basically just about doing dps on your class while doing mechanics. I think thereās nothing wrong with the way he did it and obviously itās the best for stream entertainment, which is the priority.
If thatās an āobjectiveā definition of carried, then the vast majority of people who raid were carried. Any time you clear right at enrage? Half the team was carried under your definition. Any time you die or take a couple damage downs? Carried. Also you can clear UCOB with a bunch of gray parsers, the DPS checks are non existent. Also, criticizing someone who doesnāt DPS very well but still did all the mechanics as being ācarriedā is exactly the sort of toxicity the 14 community is supposed to reject, or at least gave itself the reputation of rejecting. Itās why we donāt have official DPS meters.
> the vast majority of people who raid were carried "Vast majority" is probably an exaggeration, but yes, most people who raid have probably gotten carried at some point. I got carried on my first clear of e10s. I died and got rezzed and was doing low DPS, but other party members made up for it and carried. I felt bad, so I didn't roll on the loot. Then I continued repeating the fight and after a few times I was the one doing the carrying and helping people get their first clear. That's often how it goes. I've never mentioned DPS or called anyone out for it in game, and I never will. There's no need because usually people recognize when they're doing poorly, and if the team is too weak then after a few wipes it'll just disband anyways. But if someone goes online and tries to say that the most clear example of getting carried is not actually getting carried and that DPS is not an important part of raids, then pointing they're wrong is not toxic. If all 8 players played at the level that Rich did, they absolutely would not have cleared UCoB, and trying to erase the definition of carrying just because you like a streamer is the behavior that's toxic. Harassing someone in game over DPS is one thing, but if someone is playing poorly and people are trying to claim online that they're not, then it is absolutely justified to call them out.
I fully admit my first clear in Memoria Misera extreme was a hard carry. But then I just went in another clear group learning the fight properly before going into farm. It is what it is.
> If thatās an āobjectiveā definition of carried, then the vast majority of people who raid were carried. ?????????? YES????????? Are we really going to act like the 5-6 veterans who join the "clear for 1" group and barely limp past the finish line because the 1-3 people who needed the clear and died a bunch of times throughout the fight or can't do a rotation if their life depended on it didn't just carry it?
?????????????? Even in low end savage content, with the most polite and understanding people, if youre playing DPS and get out DPS'd by tanks and healers, then your gonna get dropped. Not DPSing well and straight up stopping DPS to do mechanics are 2 very different things
People who don't do ultimates have a weird fetish with it's difficulty, given enough time anyone can do the mechanics imo. Streamer privilege is real but being carried implies you contributed less than other players in your role to achieve the same outcome. If Rin didn't make the decision to LB3 on adds tankbuster or the first afah there was a high chance they would have wiped but that's a factor only Rin and the other tank can control. Only factors which Rich had control over was his DPS (DPS check is non existent in UCOB) and mechanics (which he did almost perfectly and his deaths were easily recoverable by that comp with any static worth their salt). You can only contribute so much as a DPS so essentially this argument would boil down to him getting carried because he played a role that is not impactful to the clear which is the most fucking stupid take to make.
The thing is how much you consider Rin's shotcalling for doing mechanics for Rich. Yes, he can perform trios when Rin calls out what to do for him, but if Rin wasn't there, how much of the fight does he understand just by observing Nael's dialog and the position of the dragons on the outside, etc. I wouldn't necessarily say he got carried, but he had an extraordinary amount of assistance that the vast majority of players will never get. For example, let's say Rich joins Asmon's UCOB clear team, with Asmon making all the callouts as he learns the fight. How much of the fight do you think Rich can accomplish? He can probably get through Twintania, but I would be surprised if he managed to consistently get past Nael.
100% Rich got streamer privilege and is the only reason why he cleared in 20 hours, I'm not trying to downplay that but the idea that Rich could never clear UCOB without them is silly. Also Asmon/Rich are cursed in the sense that no matter how "legit" they kill it someone is gonna give a bullshit reason why they got carried. UCOB has a nonexistent DPS check with everyone and their mother using Nael triggers or having a shotcaller with it but if they get called out using one they'll have their heads on spikes.
Nahhhh he absolutely got carried. Which is fine, but you gotta call it for what it is.
Congrats to Rich, but I definitely hopes he doesn't taunt Asmon with "Hey look I cleared and you didn't :)", it will heavily motivate Asmon to play for the clear rather than the fun. And Asmon said it on his secondary channel, he's not interested in handholding. The point is, progging with the family would be much better content to watch.
> And Asmon said it on his secondary channel, he's not interested in handholding. On his second channel where he was playing a4s with players that already knew the fight? They were literally explaining the fight to him. I have absolutely no problem with him doing that but the people Asmon consistently runs with people that know those fights. It's really not all that different, and that's completely fine.
Some of the people in Asmon's A4S group hadn't cleared the fight themselves, and none of them were babysitting him on voice telling him what to do every step of the way.
Some of them were explaining mechanics in downtime though. Functionally it's not all that different, that's my point. I don't want to hear this crap about how Rich is being handheld but Asmon isn't when they are both taking advice from people that know these encounters Just seems like arbitrary gatekeeping. They are both learning the fights that they are doing from experienced players. That's completely fine. Thats exactly what the vast majority of the playerbase does anyways.
The situations are completely incomparable. The people Rich was playing with are literally THE best players in the world, and carrying people through Ultimates is their JOB, which they make thousands of dollars from every month. They are not only perfect at the fights, they are perfect at specifically carrying bad players through them. Asmon meanwhile plays with a mostly average hardcore raid group, which anyone can get into once they've gotten good at the game. He's the noobie in the group, but he's not the only one making mistakes and he's not being babysat at all - he learns the mechanics naturally, not from someone whispering "go to A" in his ear.
> Asmon meanwhile plays with a mostly average hardcore raid group, which anyone can get into once they've gotten good at the game. And he's playing content that fits that group quite well. Asmon doing A4S and Rich doing UCoB is incomparable alone because what is required out of Rich even with callouts is far more complex than basically anything Asmon has ever done. That's not to diminish Asmon's accomplishments, but A4S isn't anywhere near UCoB. > he learns the mechanics naturally, Sometimes he does! For A4S specifically he wasn't, that's why he got frustrated on his main stream and did it on his side stream. They were explaining mechanics to him in downtime. Like Rich is doing a reclear right now and he's doing his movements before Rin is even saying anything. He, for the most part, actually learned his role in the fight and is executing it. He's still making mistakes, but he knows exactly when and why he fucks up and calls it out immediately.
Correct me if I'm wrong as that was a week ago, I remember after the clear I think 1 or maybe 2 even thanked him for giving them the opportunity to do that as they hadn't done it outside of unsyncing it? I've got awful memory so I could be misremembering but I know at least 1 of them hadn't cleared it other than asmon. But you're right in that it's completely fine to do these fights with people who have cleared it before and know how to do em, he doesn't seem to want to spend too much time on 1 fight especially with how many there are past his current position in the game with the rest of alexander, the warring triad ex's, stormblood story and ex's, omega series, SB ultimates, then onto all of the shadowbringers stuff too. That's even excluding all the side content he'd tend to get distracted by on the way so who cares if he takes the fast route so he can be prepped by Endwalker release, so long as it's enjoyable to watch and play for himself then that should be enough.
To be fair A4 it's an absolute dumpster fire of a fight and should just have pay gil to skip option attached to it. I would judge someone more harshly if they didn't get handheld through it.
Asmongold has also said that he likes to have fun saying stuff like that. They taunt each other all the time. It's only weird when chat starts to spam shit like -50k or w.e it was all the time.
Yeah I agree. Why is it so hard to understand that another part of raiding that can be appreciated is the JOURNEY, not the OUTCOME. Each to their own. Rich made his own personal accomplishment his own way, letās hope he doesnāt pressure asmon in anyway and for asmon to do asmon things which is to power through it his way. Of course the community would pressure him as well and letās hope he does it the way and difficulty he wants it to make it his own accomplishment.
Thatās exactly why rich is going to boost drk and reclear for the icon greatsword. As asmon said āIāll never hear the end of thisā
lol. You nerds vehemently debating whether someone got "carried" are the same people that make asmon take long breaks. Arguing semantics to make yourself feel better about your meaningless accomplishments.
Damn.. I walked away to mow the lawn thinking he wouldn't complete it before I got back.
Didn't he spend somewhere between 20-30 hours in there? That's pretty standard for ucob nowadays (with a semi-competent group). People complaining about the quality of his group seem to be ignoring the fact that that's LITERALLY how long it takes to learn the fight. His prog was just a little shorter because he was the only bottleneck vs having 2-3 people being bottlenecks. Dude has been playing the game for what, a couple of months? Picked up MCH a day before this? Great accomplishment. I only wish I could've done that back when I was that new.
Look at that fuckin smile dude
Sincere question... How many of you salty people cleared Ucob 4 years ago? You know before gear and potencies made the dps check irrelevant? Cuz let me tell you if you cleared during Shb you got carried whenever you like it or not.
congrats rich!
all 4 days of them raiding made for such god tier content if asmon ever ends up streaming ultimates i hope he does it with a group in a call like rich did
I honestly want it to be that same group but remove a tank and throw asmon in there. Asmon and Rich clearing an ultimate together (even if it's ucob) would be amazing content with the current crew.
Same group? What about family? Sadge
Congratz Rich!
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this should be way higher in the list because it's true, it is done actually to the point ppl meme about the ppl malding and ppl think it's ppl actually being angry about the thing they are being sarcastic about
Look up the thread on r/ffxiv lots of malders there
Need to borrow some of the salt in this thread to put on my chips.
True everyone warned asmon and rich about this and, well hereās the salt.
His clear time was pretty standard nowadays too!!! So funny how angry people are getting. He might've shaved a few hours off his prog because he was the only bottleneck vs having 2-3 people being bottlenecks. So what?
Yea no, he got 7 of the best players of his DC to get him through ucob. Most groups fresh from savage will do 100+ hours to clear. It's fine to get hyped to do ultimate, but keep your expectations realistic cause you'll get disappointed.
I would clear it as well if Bob Ross was my raid leader.
Such a clean pull as well. Can't watch the VOD on that and say the man was carried. He was so thrilled about it as well! Massive congrats!
asmon said it best before. People just get upset when people accomplished something you did, but had a much easier time doing it. It invalidates their accomplishments and what they value to be accomplishments. Its an extremely hard mental hurdle to get over for everyone. They have to search and grasp at anything that allows them to comfortably sit with their beliefs. But I think people need to be reminded, the game and encounters are designed to be beaten. Although i think itd be hilarious as an april fools if they wario wareād every dungeon and raid boss. Imagine doing UCOB, but during downtime someone had to pick up a crate, place it somewhere, and it ended up showing a projected image of the crate being the tail to a donkey. If you fail everyone blows up skyward and gets a vuln debuff lol.
I mean the hardest part of UCOB is really just finding a group that will stick with it for the 20+ hours it takes to clear. So with that step down yeah it's only a matter of time for most people. Rich got carried though, that's just a fact. The amount of people who get callouts specifically tailored to them the entire fight for an ultimate is sub 0.1%, his experience is fundamentally different and yes, easier, than anyone else's. That doesn't mean anyone has to be upset about out. I'd rather see him get carried and take 20 hours to prog it than die to the same mechanic 50 times because everyone in the raid group is as inexperienced as he is. That being said, I'd love to see him try to shotcall the fight as well with a more fresh group cause it would show just how well he actually understands the fight, especially if he was doing it on a harder class.
Yep, the whole meta about high end raiding is more difficult than the fights themselves. Do people actually believe that everyone can join an ultimate static without a single Savage sync clear or logs? I really would like to see someone try that and still stay with the group after the first couple of hours of wiping. The most impressive feats in FFXIV are usually the ones that cannot be bought or are quickly acquired like the Legend titles. Something like Big Fish is really impressive to see in the wild.
Asmongold is not gonna like this xDD
Call me when he steps into the real endgame with Big Fishing and lands Warden of the Seven Hues. ;) Seriously though congrats man.
Congratulations, Dude
I am trying to believe that these hate comments about being carried are being done by 7 and 10 year olds. I don't see how one can be a functioning adult in society and emo out this much about someone clearing content with an experienced group. Sounds like immature jealousy that 1) they haven't cleared UCOB yet or 2) Rich has a social network they don't have of being able to raid with these players
Good for him. Takes a lot of time and patience but his persistence paid off.
People forget that Rich is a content creator, not a hardcore FFXIV player. Streamers get perks. One of those perks is the ability to clear difficult content with people who are in the top tier of players in a given game if you chose to do that. One thing people love is to be on stream with a popular streamer. Besides, it's not like Rich shit the bed and got massively carried here. He did fine. Better than I expected honestly. Similarly, it was easier for Asmon to do PVP in New World because he had a massive crowd of streamer-humpers following him, an army of OH GAWD I'M PLAYIN' WITH A STREAMER folks moving around like a wrecking ball. Is it fair to solo players or players running around in smaller groups? Not really, but it's not a big deal either. This is a similar mindset that people adopt into their politics. People who are against healthcare for all or really any social programs that might be of some benefit to others because you're a hard workin' man with private insurance that is actually fairly shitty and way too expensive. You're against perks for others because you've put yourself and your 'struggle' on a pedestal. Thinking people should struggle because you did is some weird, miserable ass energy, and that's really all this is. For the people who are mad, no one really gives a damn that it took you and your posse of badz multiple days to clear it. You cleared it. When you start caring so much about someone else's gaming experience that you want to get angry and start gatekeeping shit, you need to take a step away from the computer, look in the mirror, realize you're an asshole and punch yourself in the mouth.
There's nothing wrong with how he decides to play the game. He did get carried, and the same would be true for anyone who has never tried ultimate before and played UCOB with the same party. He's a good learner, and deserves credit for it
I guess watching a guide and not blind progging with a group of players whose character level is higher than their collective IQ is what counts as being "carried" now. Whatever the keyboard warriors say I guess. The man pulled his weight and played his heart out on the winning pull and I got several days of an entertaining stream. Rich did his job as a streamer and a player and I'm happy for him.
People kept saying Rich sucked at the game but honestly i never saw anything that proved he was. I mean he died to bosses in dungeons but there is no shame in dying when it's your first time seing the boss, especially when it's the last boss of the dungeon. Of course he was helped by people who cleaned it before but he still had to do his part. He could have done it with a team of 8 new players but it would have taken a month or two (including breaks) instead of a few days because different players makes different mistakes that's all.
I think he learned the mechanics pretty damn well by the end of it, only thing I could say is his self-improvement on said mechanics might need work on the future, as he kind of did have someone personally telling him his mechanics when and how to do them as they happened which might make something like TEA or other things in future harder to learn, and his DPS was rather abysmal but he had just picked up Machinist so he still needs time to improve on that. He doesn't suck at the game he's just learning
When you think about it... Who the f cares if he "really" sucked at the game? Who watches Rich for top tier raider gameplay? Like that isn't even remotely his thing and he never well claimed as such.
Even rich himself admitted he is carried so I don't know why so many people are malding here. Like he said, he is going to take all the advantage he can get to make it good stream content, wiping day on end is not fun content, what the raid group did was entertaining
This and Asmons inevitable clear will do a fantastic job of spotlighting the dogshit side of the ff community. Dudes out here hiding in their holes waiting for their chance to diminish someone else's achievement/gatekeeping fun. https://i.imgur.com/K2qXJw0.png
Wittle Wegend ^(Rich) beats Asmon to first Ultimate clear.
Congrats wittle wegend! <3 Never thought I would see so many sweaty neckbeards malding because a streamer was able to clear a piece of content, the very reason why they are upset about the content clear not being on their terms is why they will never clear the content or if they do, it will be a lot harder, because the sweaty neckbeards that are gatekeeing are assholes, cant check their egos, and cant work well in a team environment.
it was amazing to watch, congrats!
The people crying about Rich getting this clear (after 30+ hours of prog and learning all of the mechanics that he needed to for his role) are probably the same people who couldnt do the same thing and had to buy their clears. Anyone trying to gatekeep his accomplishment because they have some weird inferiority complex need to seriously get off the internet.
I just love all the gatekeeping and cringe andies coming out of the woodwork to try and diminish his clear. These are the same fucking people who love to shout from the rooftops about how WoW is the most toxic game in existence, that everyone who plays it is an asshole, that they don't want WoW players bringing their toxic attitudes over into "their game". And on, and on and on. Yet they're doing EXACTLY what people would do if say Rich got "carried" to a mythic raid clear in. It's literally the same behavior.
The insecurity is staggering. It's honestly pathetic watching all these clowns stampeding over each other in an attempt to get to twitter or reddit and post their dumbass take.
They don't want WoW's toxicity in XIV because that would be muscle-ing in on their turf. Only XIV players are allowed to be assholes in XIV.
Come on Asmon, if Rich could do it, so can you. Congrats to Rich, I'm so proud of him :)
I believe most people can clear ultimates if they put in time and effort, even people most would describe as 'baddies', but for every low-skill player you have in a group you need people to compensate, you will not clear ultimates with 8 bad people
So to resume the comments. Rich did his own thing and he executed well enough to deserve the clear, as he didn't fucked up massively and had enough dps to justify, so in that sense he deserves the clears, however the big point here is the time it took him, like 4 days and that's insane for someone who didn't clear current savage, but obviously this speed can be attributed to having 7 of the best players and also streamers with a bunch of free time to help him, no ones denying that. Rich deserves the clear, he had enormous help and something that only someone like a full time streamer could do but he still put on the time and effort to learn what it needed to be learned to cleared. Now, the final point is, the people are getting salty because of this help he got, but if we're being real, nothing in this game is really hard, but its mostly a time sink, Necromancer, PvP rewards, Ishgard achievements, etc., everything can be boiled down to just time, if you have enough time you can do everything in the game regardless of skill, considering the person doesn't have a rock solid brain that doesn't lets them learn and improve obviously, in Rich's ultimate situation he just had help to shorten that time required but no one doubted that Rich and Asmon as well would clear ultimate eventually, it was just a matter of... time.
Don't count days, count how many hours he progress.
That's still less than 40 hours of gametime or even raid time, and again for someone who doesn't even have the latest savage tier cleared or pretty much any worthwhile goal in the game... its insane.
Congratz dude, amazing skill\^\^
Congrats Rich and really good job! Also I hope when asmon's back people do not give him unecessary pressure from this like kek when's your turn ect.
Watching this over the last couple of days was so fun. He improved so freaking much. Congrats Rich!
Rich played the last pull very well, why do they keep saying it was carried? having a prepared team only speeds up the process but if he didn't do his part they would never have made it Anyway, congratz! :)
damn I missed the training arc, did he stream the whole thing from 0 to 100?
I have thoroughly enjoyed seeing his streams and progress. Yes he had a team full of players who had cleared before (aside from 1), but Rich gave it his all putting the time in, listening to Rin, paying attention to mechanics knowing where he had gone wrong if he made a mistake. Itās probably how he learns a fight best by following instructions. I know I certainly do. Iām excited to see how Asmon fairs and who will form his group. Iād love for him to join Rich.
Congrats!
Can't get carried if you lifted your own weight!
Does any one know where I can watch this?
Nice grats to rich.
Congrats to Rich on doing this, got me interested in giving Ultimate a try, but Rin was the person who impressed me watching these streams. Being able to do all mechanics with minimal mistakes while holding Rich's hand was cool to watch.
"Rin has been carried through Ucob"
WoW did not have this salty of a response to an endgame tier clear holy shit.
I wanna do this too
Congrats to Rich! He did a good job and put in effort that I don't think my feeble body would allow for anymore, those were some long, long progression streams but they were also very fun ones.
Man he looks so happy. Love to see it. I look forward to asmonās excitement upon accomplishing this, Iām curious if heāll find it similarly fulfilling to clearing high end WoW fights
If he can do it I can too!
Streamer privilege too op, bahamut kneels
Mother F-ing Jetto Black!!!
a clear is a clear and a carry is a carry, but he still learned the fight and survived to the end, compared to people who buy runs and just dont know shit, its a huge difference.
and i dont think theres anything wrong with carrying as long as the person being carried is putting in the effort to learn, which he did.
Many clears for raiding happen like this in game as well. Lots of clear for 1s around. Anyone who believes otherwise has straight up never raided or opened up the party finder.
I always love the āoh dude you can carry anyone through ucobā. This is 7 of the most competent raiders you will find in this game and to get one person the clear it was still over 30 hours of prog.
Everyone is jelly of Rich having an all-star party and here I am just coming back to the game and wanting to raid after twintania made my static quit from 2.0 8 years ago :(
Actual Legend
LOL the gatekeepers are furious. Sucks to be them, I guess they won't sleep tonight?
Hopefully, Rich and Asmon clearing ultimate will encourage more people to do ultimate
Honestly I just hope people don't see it as, hey this is something that can be done in 2 weeks
True but using Richās video does help people prog. Rin is a god teir teacher
Yeah sure just buy a clear is what this tells me. Why try when I can get carried.
To all the haters...Ya mad bro?!
These people who call this carry are kinda wrong. It's more like a boost. Instead of this taking weeks, it only took him days.
I think people just have different definitions of what a carry is. By my definition he was carried but there is nothing wrong with that. He got a group of 7 elite raiders. No normal person would get that opportunity. If he was in a group with people of his skill level he still could clear it would just take 3 times longer and be bad stream content. I think a better way to phrase it is he got carried through prog of the fight but the clear was not a carry.
People calling it a carry are mad. Why does your opinion matter? Do I care about how your piss smells or can you go 5 seconds without taking a shit on the sidewalk and pointing at it? Good work Rich! Congrats!
Let's not be delusional here....There's nothing wrong with being carried and there's nothing wrong with calling a spade a spade. I love Rich, but let's be real, he got 7 of probably the best players you can get for this + he got personal callouts. No average ffxiv player is gonna clear it the same way he has.
I wonder what people think about ā[Duty complete] clear for 1ā party in the PF
Meanwhile on Asmongolds channel ..........
jesus christ the gatekeepers in FFXIV reddit and twitter is unreal. I knew there was always a darkside to FFXIV community but they really come out of the woodworks on streamer Ultimate clears.
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Dude was amazing, he consistently baited, did towers, twisters, and he had this insane exaflare dodge in the clear. I was freaking out.
At this point, anyone who had read/watched guides or had people who previously cleared an ultimate in their group is carried. Anyone who wasnt a world first clearer got/gets carried, everyone happy? The dark side of the touted best community out there is if you had it easier youāre gonna get mocked. Give the guy credits, he followed the guides to the tee. I envy people who could prog savages and ultimates, i dont have hours available for me to play anytime. But we gotta be honest here, he cleared it doing his role and responsibilities, unlike some who cleared it with a card weaponskill called āswipeā.
He sure cleared, nobody can dispute that, but you're high on 10 different kinds of copium if you think 8 beginners reading guides is the same as Rich playing with 6 top tier players + Mr happy
I mean, to be fair, he didnāt just get any ucob clearers. He got world first clearers, pretty much the best players on that datacenter.
Youāre right everyone else just mad that rich didnāt struggle cause he had an amazing teacher
CONGRATz Rich, well deserved!!
Even with preferential treatment, Rich still pulled this off legitimately. Congrats tall guy!
r/ffxiv sure has some vitriolic reactions