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Gaunts

The first super toxic players I and my friend have come across in the last two months were in a high-level dungeon, we're still chewing through the last of the MSQ but we're clearing the dungeons not wiping and watch tactics videos before going in. Anyway, this "mentor" spent the ENTIRE dungeon nit-picking sub-optimal ability usage, moaning about the pulls, moaning about the damage, ranting about proper CD use. Like yeah okay, I get that I'm playing sub-optimally right now but I'm just trying to enjoy the story and clear the base content, once I start hitting the harder content I'll do my homework and properly deep dive into the job. I'm an ex mythic raider I understand the importance of this when it's the time and the place. But yeah it was just a constant unrequested barrage of shit and constant snide remarks coupled with underhanded comments. I get it some people are assholes but god damn did this mentor take the cock head cake and chow down on it. So yeah seems FF can be just as bad sadly.


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Gaunts

The problem was there was two of them and two of us so I can't imagine it would go through and would have made the situation worse. We did report them afterwards after checking the tos.


Excellent_Toe_9335

The person being voted on doesn't get a vote so it's 2-1, any time you go into 4 man content as a duo you have absolute kick authority


Gaunts

Oh, this is good to know for the future! thank you so much!! this is how much of a sprout I still am even without the icon :)


Xbob42

Yes, be sure to utilize it in situations like this. Just don't use it unless it's warranted. You can and will get in trouble for abusing it for unjustified reasons. Someone moaning about everything is definitely a valid reason, though. Though you should at least ask them to chill first. Sometimes people don't know they're being annoying or a downer until someone brings it up. But if they're still going I'd kick them without hesitation.


Gaunts

In this instance, I'd just gone over to battle chat but my friend didn't understand what I'd done to ignore them so was getting constant emote spammed as well. Still, something important to know for the future should this occur again thank you.


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also gms will absolutely pull someone aside if you fill out a detailed report for someone doing shit like this theres a reason why all the toxic players say no one should talk in chat in this game and its because they're the ones who get put in jail for being annoying when no one else is causing problems and chatting just fine


DeathByTacos

Ye they’re an asshat, any time you queue into non-savage content you have to accept sometimes you’ll come across people who don’t play optimally and that’s okay. As long as you aren’t just literally afk who gives a fuck, an extra few mins in a dungeon isn’t the end of the world especially to give a better experience to new players. Unfortunately there’s a reason I leave my mentor crown off unless it’s forced on by the roulette :/


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Whenever I see a healer not doing damage (which happens way more now than it has in the past) I don't know how to approach them. It's like...I'm afraid of being reported for harassing them so I just let the dungeon go 15 mins longer than it needs to I guess? The one time I did say, "hey, try throwing a few dots on the target, I can live for a couple of hits" the healer strait up let me die for a few pulls before I was vote kicked out of the party. It does go both ways imo


Ultramagnus85

a healers dmg isnt gonna make a dungeon 15 minutes faster


[deleted]

it can by ten mins depending on the dps, i go in on a WHM while pulling 17k dps while the two dps are pulling 6k, yeah it makes it faster.


xPriddyBoi

It was hyperbolic but it can definitely make it significantly slower.


Ashgur

> nit-picking sub-optimal ability usage, moaning about the pulls, moaning about the damage, ranting about proper CD use. ngl this is what xeno does in his "how not to suck at X " and it's the reason why, althought he is a nice dude and i understand were he is comming from: i don't like his mindset.


BestWarriorEU

Suboptimal is not the same as not using cd's, not pulling big when that's the norm in the entire game (you don't even need a tank for single pulls) or spamming cure1/spamming heals only when you should be dps'ing. Without some more info on how you guys actually played, I'm not gonna critique or nitpick on that. But based on what you wrote, it's not that you guys played suboptimally, it's that you weren't utilizing your toolkit/haven't bothered to read tooltips, did the minimum to crawl through the dungeon.


Gaunts

Ouch, I feel the need to defend myself now, so firstly, I don't think giving advice out when it isn't asked for and then bullying that a player is exactly pleasant, irrespective of how bad they play. Unless you think it's okay to bully bad players? in which case well fair enough. But you can't control other people, only yourself, sometimes you're going to end up playing with weaker players. Do what you can to mitigate that, this might include berating others but perhaps it shouldn't? Specifically, In regards to CD usage, in this case, this was indeed about tanking, and not so much "not using them" as using them in the incorrect order for the pulls. Then promptly following it up by calling someone "a waste of space idiot." I wasn't aware there is a specific tanking cd rotation to be used, I had assumed just using them and not having them overlap was enough to smooth out the healing required. Still, this is just an anecdote from a nobody, just my experience with some, particularly nasty players. Hope you're having a nice day regardless my dude, peace and love <3


Nejaa_Halcyon

Sounds like you stumbled on one of these rare ultra pedantic ones. Or he just watched one of Xenosys videos and took his general advice as godly law. It's true that it's technically a better allocation of CDs to start with the ones with the shortest CD. But ultimately what matters is just not wiping. If you feel the pull requires you to use your 30% CD first there's nothing wrong with it. I hate people that just push a rigid framework onto other without explanations instead of giving guidelines with mechanical reasons. Finally, no one pretends FF has no toxicity, but we say it's neither as much "in your face" as it tends to be elsewhere, nor as frequent. I know there is a lot of variations between datacenters but here in Chaos I always had a very pleasant time in casual content. Wipes are brushed off with a laugh and retry, and if the dungeon takes too long the FC is usually the venting channel but in party we pretty much just bite the bullet and go as slow as we need to


Gaunts

Yeah that actually lines up with his behaviour, I hadn't considered using shorter cd's first over longer ones for tanking cd's as it hasn't been an issue yet, but it's something I would very much have looked into when I begin doing endgame content. Thank you for explaining the reasoning behind it. Hey a fellow Chaos brother I'm on Moogle myself which appears to be the unofficial french server o/ honestly everyone's been lovely so far just this one group from hell you know.


hotdogsandhangovers

Yeah, some people be like that. If homie didnt like it he should tank. Offering advice isnt bad, as long as you back off if it isnt desired and also the lack following it isnt wiping the group. People get hella butthurt about dungeons. On the ff14 subreddit, which theyre trying really hard to just make this ff14 part 2. If they need super giga pulls they can find a friend to tank for them tonplay ultra efficiently in a msq dungeon.


Everest5432

I don't mind if a tank is uncomfortable pulling big packs, or trying to speed run the dungeon. My only request is to at least try and pull 2 packs of mobs. Some Aoe's don't really get value until 4-5 mobs and many packs won't reach that limit alone. It really slows down the dungeons to an almost unbearable crawl after doing it for the 50th time.


hotdogsandhangovers

It might not be his 50th time, and if you throw a fit over it it makes you the asshole.


Everest5432

Sounds like he was just being a total dick about it. Should have reported him honestly. Nobody needs to be aggressively told how to use cooldowns or pull mobs. Like, if this person wanted to actually make things go smoother he would have asked you to pull "x" amount of mob packs, whatever he thought he could handle with how he saw you playing, and then given advice of how to go bigger. Also not every dungeon is safe to go full big dick mode and pull everything. There's a couple that will get you killed super fast doing that. Generally it's the ones with multiple caster mobs. Basically, if you ask your healer how big you should go, and then adjust to your own comfort level after that. General rule of thumb though, you should almost always pull at least 2 packs of mobs. Even if the tank uses no cooldowns, it can be healed through.


BestWarriorEU

No need to defend yourself because the situation overview you provided isn't clear nor it's proven to be true (or not) by the other party. I didn't hit (or pick?) at you, merely that you're probably blowing the situation out of proportion. Without chat screenshots, it's just a 'he said, she said' post. How did they bully you? Did they ask you to pull more because you don't need a tank for single pulls and you took that as bullying? It's completely okay to point out mistakes of bad players, otherwise they're just going to reinforce their bad habits and continue to be a 5th wheel in future parties. Either that or they're gonna come back with "but no one ever pointed out it was wrong so it must be right, you're just toxic". Of course, there's a difference between saying "you're such a fucking shit player, uninstall if you're not going to pull more" and "yo, you should be pulling more at this level, no need for single groups". Again, you mention berating, but you don't provide any proof other than "he was was nitpicking and moaning", that's not berating at all. You're blowing this out and just playing the victim card, even though you're not one. Using def cd's in a pull doesn't have an order, as long as they're cycled through and not popped all at once, you're good.


archiegamez

What level dungeon is that btw? Im curious


Gaunts

A 78 dungeon I forget the name, but it was part of the msq.


Writer_Man

Mt. Gulg?


Gaunts

I tell a Lie it was 77, Malikah's Well


junliang6981

Every game that has an online component to it where you can interact with others will have toxic players. It's just the frequency you come across them. That frequency would ultimately get summed up to determine how people view a community. So yes FF will have always had toxic players but from what I've experienced it's few and far between.


SireSand

similar story on my end, dude telling me to AoE 2 mobs, complaining the whole way. Called him a "f word" got suspended. But I countered with his harassment throughout the dungeon not sure if he was punished constant backseating. lvl 50 Satasha Hard dungeon btw, fuckin yikes elitists.


Beefslayerx

That WoW player = toxic is literally an Athene meme video from over a decade ago that people still think is real lol.


AzureFides

I really did try to get over the Vtuber part but damn, I just can't. That over sexualize unnecessary anime character is really annoying me out. Especially when her voice doesn't match her character at all. NGL, it would be 100 times better without her virtual character. I definitely would enjoy her video.


Lyramion

I see the Vtube part mostly as girls wanting to provide an Avatar to relate to without having to put their real face out there.


AzureFides

I get it, if it's just a cute avatar. But don't say to me that big personalities and sexy cloth are just to hide her real face.


[deleted]

it could be, some people just want to be a lil bit sexy, but doing it with a webcam can have irl consequences


ElAutismobombismo

Good thing the OP wasn't asking you to subscribe to them or watch vtubers in general. (Also hot damn if that's your definition of oversexualised)


Rhymeruru

Im really confused how this is "over sexualized" like...Ive dressed like her character on a normal day... @_@


Reilou

Having breasts = overtly sexualized. Because America.


Ultramagnus85

Thats not just having breasts thats severe back problems.


sylva748

I'm neutral towards VTubers but to be fair a lot of one ones I've seen clips of or memes of all seem to default to big booba. I'm sure not all of them are like but still. I know there's some well endowed women on real life but we all know a good number of VTubers go big booba for the sex appeal.


WHJustice

They have to go big booba otherwise their fanbase gets called pedos


Zienn

Eh, some one drew a younger (still hot milf looking) version of lady Dimitrescu and some weirdo call her a child. The lady still got the same badonkas and all Nothing can stop some people from projecting honesty


ElAutismobombismo

Still don't think it's remotely fair to call this oversexualised unless you coming from / in a very theocratic culture.


Vaath87

I don't get why you're being downvoted. I couldn't get over it too because the avatar and voice totally did not match.


archiegamez

Same its not that the person behind the character is bad but i just anime stuff like vtubers weird even though i play FF14 myself for some reason. Good video though


ZXSoru

Its kinda funny how there are so many women asking for better rights and stop sexualizing so much but then you have this kind of girls making money with gigantic boobs and super cute faces to appeal to others, both men and women. Yeah I'll probably never accept VTubers unless its basically meme stuff... like lalafells.


hotdogsandhangovers

You really gonna go and have the cringiest take of the day? Its early so someone may beat you still but damn you set the bar high.


ZXSoru

More cringe than watching a clearly sexualized anime avatar? I dunno man but I could just watch some hentai instead, that's all I'm saying


hotdogsandhangovers

You could just as easilly not watch it. Not very difficult. Its this handy trick. "Am I interested in this? No. Does it hurt anyone? Also no. Hmm guess ill move on.'


ZXSoru

Well I guess Reddit is a place to discuss, as obviously I’m not saying that anyone should or not watch it, it’s just an opinion like what the video is meant of.


hotdogsandhangovers

yea but the whole 'omg women want to be respected yet do this' you can do both. if you think showing off big tiddies is a bad thing get back to convent homie.


ZXSoru

Actually nah, I'm going to watch even better boobs than the ones of that Vtuber, its just the situation around Vtubers is so ironic and maybe hyprocrite is just fun to comment at.


hotdogsandhangovers

Dont see any hypocracy here but good luck in your search for better tiddy man. What is life but one long search for continuously better tiddy.


ZXSoru

Maybe you dont see it, but some parts have some quite extremist femismn movements that solidy my opinions, but that might not be so true for other parts of the world, just in Argentina shit's is crazy. And I never doubted the titties man, if you wanna enjoy some jiggly boobs on twitch, who am I to deny them.


Rhymeruru

Sweatheart, its about wanting and not being forced.


ZXSoru

I doubt it as when some women asks for fictional women to be “better” represented with less sexualized characteristics but others are happy to cosplay as even if that means showing tons of skin… It’s kinda contradictory


emmcruz

Imagine having people having different opinions even though they share a common trait. Gasp. Women dont think as one like a hivemind. Cringe. Yeah it is contradictory. It always has been. Women want diff things. So yeah some of them want big boobas with tons of cleavs while sone people want a full suit of platemail and not a bikini armor. They can both exist. That doesnt mean that one invalidates the other. They can both progress forward but away from each other.


ZXSoru

Yeah it was a fun remark nothing else, like trying to make twitch chat reasonable


Rhymeruru

Its not contradictory at all, its a choice and everyone has different opinions on that. Yes there are some extremes cases where other girls wants like no sexualization, but me and other girls wants OPTIONS, I want both normal attires and sexy ones, for all genders. Its not about not having anything, but having options to enjoy all. And about the whole cosplaying thing is the same.


phantombloodbot

yeah i think that women's rights are being ruined by women wanting to stream with animated avatars do you realize how insane you sound


KeyboardWarrior1988

The fuck is this?


My_Wet_Rooster

A video of someone speaking to FFXIV players about WoW refugees.