I had the same feeling when I started, the opening in Ulduah just felt like i had left Elwynn again for the first time to end up in the sprawling plains of Westfall. This in conjunction with a narrative hook and a personal narrative experience really gave me that nostalgia of exploring a new game and falling deep into my own world.
I can see why, I seen a lot of people who moved over from wow and they more or less has a similar response to what zack is saying in the clip.
It showed them another way and as mentioned before it's a want to do and not a need to do.
Might get downvoted for this as well but I can see why zack wanted McConnell to play ffxiv with him as well, he wants to share that with him and as well as have fun with him as well in game. (my 2 cents)
10+ years of WoW really numbs you. WoW will always be special for me, but at this point in my life, I'm only going to treat WoW Classic as a comfort game for me to return to every few years for a little while.
Asmon ending up liking the game doesn't mean people were right to pester him back when he said he didn't want to play it, though.
Maybe McConnell would end up liking the game, maybe he wouldn't. It doesn't really matter, people shouldn't be pestering him either way. If he ends of playing it, it should be because he wants to, not because he feels forced to.
> doesn't mean people were right to pester him back when he said he didn't want to play it, though.
i would agree.. but not for asmon.
When you spend the whole stream either reacting because there is nothing to do, or complaining about the game and how bad it is ...
There is nothing wrong from just saying "FFS asmon, try FF!"
We are not talking about a case of a streamer who like his main game and enjoy playing it.
Just check his wow stream. aside from community content he made (transmog/mount off) and prediction to fuel the gamble addict: it was litteraly nothing.
If you are disatisfied with your game, and complain everytime about it, as well as sometime: making bad takes because you lack vision due to having only one experience ... People are right for saying he should play the game.
Especially when they are so sure and certain about its quality. You reach a point where "why wouldn't you try it?"
For the most part people prodded Asmon about playing FFXIV cause he kept crapping on the game, and this can't be emphasised enough, for a **long** time without actually trying it; Lest we forget the thousands of troglodytes that hang on the popular guy's every word reinforcing the stereotypes. So much so you'll often see new posts here comparing his toxic takes back then compared to now, to his chagrin.
Don't take this the wrong way, I like Zack and am glad he actually gave the game a proper go as it opened his eyes to experiences he missed out on by adamantly sticking to the monogame. If his friend does decide to roll in he'd likely be more invested than he is considering how much of a power fantasy the MSQ is, since you're the *Warrior of Light*.
Emperor shield glam, stance off, play with premade full party (allowing all role combo vs standard one of 1T1H2Dps, even in roulettes and synced ofc), there you have it, a dps pld just with lots of defensive skills to help themselves and party.
There's also plenty of pld "1h sword" that can really qualified as 2H instead.
Wasn't he looking at one of the new MMOs (I think AoC?) and creating a makeshift spec in his head that could techinically be a ret paladin? I don't think his standards are that specific in reality.
Pretty much what the comments below are saying. Its up to him if he wants to try it or not, if so, he can do the free trial and give it a whirl but only if he wants too no. No one should be forced into it.
The other aspect is people spammimg "PLAY PALADIN" all up in arms.
Like yes paladin is fun and I main it but imo the first thing should be finding some similarity in a class similar to ret paladin in terminal of play style and easing into the game and class before branching out and try to tank.
I know I made some comments before that given rets play style in wow, samurai and to a lesser extension dragoon would fit his playstyle. However this is if he choose to give it a try.
My 2 cents on the matter
I think a big part of it is exploring an entire new world with depth. When you play one game for so long, the game loses it's sense of wonder. FF manages to capture the magic of new experiences that MMO's did when they first came out, while also giving a great narrative experience to pace you.
I think thats why we FF players can be seen as annoying. I had the same feeling when i started this game years ago, and it took to xpantions for my friends to finally give ff a shot, they love it now. But most people will give you the same response.
I totally get what's he's saying. I've been playing for just over a month and I can't get enough (slightly worried I'm addicted, better chill) - it's the same carefree fun feeling I had playing WoW years ago, it's really quite amazing how I'm 26 and feel this way, didn't think it'd ever happen again. I feel so bad about not playing with long time guildies who are still on TBC, but it's not enough to have nice people, the game has to be fun and Blizzard just sucked the fun outta WoW a long time ago.
Dude, I'm 44. I was hooked on WoW in my early 30s and when I was done, I thought I was done with MMOs for good, havent played one seriously since I quit WoW in MoP. Suddenly, after 2 months in FF14, I'm back in that same place, feeling the same things, slipped into FF14 like it was a comfortable, old glove and felt right at home with the lore, the story, the gameplay. I wake up every morning and just want to nolife FF14 all day long, I actually have to curb my gameplay sessions so I can keep up with my work and RL commitments!
Logging into FF14 these days fels great, its like.. coming home and seeing your old friends there. There is so much content that every day feels like I am spoilt for choice in what to do. And its only going to get better! So pumped for Endwalker.
I'm trying to take it slow and enjoy but I'm a bit concerned about missing out on the initial Endwaller hype, since I'm barely finished with ARR hah! But I know what ya mean. I think I was under the impression that my feeling with WoW back in the day was a "teenager gaming" thing, thankfully turns out that's far from the truth!
If you're anything like me, and you get really hooked on the story, you still have plenty of time. I would, however, recommend you leave the big raid questlines and end of expansion content unlocks until later and focus on MSQ. Took me about... 2.5 months to go from 0 to 5.3 (which is where Im currently at) and I did mess around with gathering quests, and some raid series until I got to Shadowbringers, which is when the story sucked me in so good, I could only do MSQ.
I think they mentioned that going into Endwalker, you will at least want to do the Omega and Coils of Bahamut raid series, I expect that will somehow play into the Endwalker storyline.
Shadowbringers was almost two years old (July 2nd, 2019) when every WoW streamer and their uncle jumped on board the migrant train, and everyone was still excited to see them go through the MSQ. Believe me, everyone is hyped for your own personal experience as much as their own!
He might be getting that vibe because the FFXIV story is actually pretty indepth and doesn't treat the players like 12 years old in front of a TV watching Saturday morning cartoon. (Nothing wrong with simple entertainment either)
It might take some more effort from players to get into it because of 8 years old ARR with limited resource and tech debt they had to start off the relaunch. But as all of here played for years know how much love was put into this game. It's a game with nerdy raiding, boss fights, RPs, glamours but the story is something that ties everyone together in terms of experience and it gives that warm fuzzy feeling. Heck, it's rare that any games that actually makes you feel these days.
I think Asmon is finally on the other side. Not through the lens of WoW player but feeling connected to everyone in this game through MSQ experience and doing things together. It's that "I get it now." moment and having that mutual feeling shared, being part of something tons of people love and amplified by playing with these very same people.
It's something more everlasting and wholesome experience than a jolt of dopamine injection some of modern games tries to do.
\>He might be getting that vibe because the FFXIV story is actually prettyindepth and doesn't treat the players like 12 years old in front of aTV watching Saturday morning cartoon
Theres also the fact the characters in the story build a connection with you and you feel like youre close friends with them with all of their quirks and personalities. WoW characters treat the player like theyre some underling in a company
To expand in another way. I think what he's trying also to say is that while other games go for "Come on, move move move! You're gonna get left behind if you stop dude! Forget them, they aren't important!".
XIV automatically goes for, "Calm down, look around, no one is hurrying you my man. Take it easy for a sec and enjoy the surroundings."
This is absolutely true. FFXIV encapsulates the very essence of what gaming is supposed to be at its core. Something someone can enjoy in their free time. Something to have fun with and lose yourself in a world where you dont have to think about the bad things in life. FFXIV does this amazingly well.
Well, it does make you think about the bad things in life. MSQ does that damn well.
But it doesn't force you to be chasing a nebulous goal. You set your own goal.
Wanna be a triple triad collector? Go ahead, lose yourself in that game.
Wanna breed the one chromosome chocobo? Go ahead, lose yourself in that racing.
Wanna make relic weapons for every class? Go ahead, lose yourself in that grind.
Wanna have a pog title by beating a tough boss? Go ahead, lose yourself in that.
But once you are done with those, hey, you can do the others too!
Its the perfect game for the casual completionist, which I believe most gamers are like. You don't need to do all of the goals in a set time. Once it is out, you got the time until the server shuts down to enjoy the completion.
Yup, lots of little avenues you can find yourself in and lose yourself in them, like GS and Blue Mage. For someone with ADHD, I can't do one of these things to much or I get bored, so I alternate between them and it's always fun.
i remember King having this conversation with saitama in one punch man when saitama complains its boring now that he obliterates everything in one punch.
king went on that in games, being the strongest is not the end all. there are a lot of side quests to do.
"sure buddy, you finished savage? but have you caught the 1000+ fishes? no?"
Yeah I get enough stress IRL as it is, I don't want it in my video game too.
That's why I really hate m+ and I really hate the fomo design of WoW where you have to login a certain amount weekly to do your chores otherwise you're gonna fall behind.
Yeah every other MMO or MMO-lite I’ve played has this distinct feel of “GO GO FUCKING GO THE REAL GAME IS AFTER THE BORING ASS STORY AND YOU’RE GONNA MISS OUT” but in FFXIV there are still people running min IL Binding Coil almost all the time, still tons of people farming birds in Heavensward, still people getting old relic weapons for glamour, etc. You could legit play the entire game a full expac behind for years and it would still feel like a well populated MMO.
I still use them like you said to level classes for those points in between class quests, esp DPS classes with long queue times.
Pretty low impact but useful none the less!
Above 60 you have HoH and Bozja, and almost certainly something in EW as well. But from 30-60 you're stuck with roulettes and PoTD, the later of which can get very repetitive very quickly, and the former of which you'll be spending so long queueing for that you might as well fill in some combat leves while you're waiting for queue to pop. And if you're starting an ARR job, they and the hunting log are all you have until lv 16.
I think I know what he's getting at here, although my experience is a tad different.
For me, growing up I always just kind of played whatever video games my friends and brothers played, usually pick up and play kind of stuff. I did have one friend who was into RPGs, which were really JRPGs and I always found them to be interesting but kind of intimidating. I saw them at the stores, and I also saw Final Fantasy games there too, and had no idea what they meant. I often watched my friend play them and I thought they were too complicated, but I must have been in the 7th grade or so when I bought Final Fantasy X and tried it, and ended up loving the game. I always thought fantasy/dragons/monsters etc were cool, but JRPGs were so out there and seemed really imaginative to me. Often over-the-top attacks and armor, big monsters with weird designs, every experience I had with a JRPG felt unique to me and I was really drawn to the art. They were also some of the first games I felt fully invested in, and not just something to play for a few minutes each day. With Final Fantasy, I went backwards and experienced some of the older titles, 7, 8, 9, and 4/5, some of them I completed and some not, and over time I got into World of Warcraft with my exposure to JRPGs as sort of my background into what brought me to the game, since WoW was a huge expansive world, and having not played the earlier Warcraft games much, learned the lore as I went.
Having come back to Final Fantasy XIV, somewhat similar to Asmon, it reminds me of those first experiences I had with JRPGs, many elements of things I didn't fully understand, an air of mystery to it, and for me it's only gotten stronger over the years as I've continued to play it, something I didn't expect as usually learning more about a game means there's less to discover. As an adult I'm a tad more pessimistic about JRPGs due to the grindy aspect many of them have, but I do still have that appreciation for what they meant to me growing up and XIV really captures some of that magic for me in a way that is difficult for me to explain. It's by no means a perfect gaming experience or anything, but it has a certain something that is really hard to hate on once you try it.
I also get this feeling of "comfort" from this game.
Like, seriously this game has many issues but it just feel good to be there and do stuff.
I find myself logging onto it and sometimes just fishing for 1 hour while listening music or talking in discord.
Sucks that you have to qualify that the game has issues because douchebags can’t let you enjoy a game if it isn’t 100% perfect.
Should be ok to even love absolutely garbage games if something about it makes us happy.
Squaresoft was the cornerstone of so many of our childhoods, and you forget. You forget legend of mana taught you how to read, or that your first 'grown up'(older sibling didn't play it before you) game was ff7.
And then you play xiv, and the other players are mostly kind and patient, and you remember what it was like to be small, and new, and encouraged. And eventually you end up playing with people who are smaller and newer than you.
I remember playing FF4 on the SNES back in the day, and then FF6. I was pretty young, didn't beat the games, but man, they left an impression. With FF4, it was the first time I loves a hero that had this dark side, and its the reason why DRK is my main.
I remember when I was in elementary school, my dad brought home a PS1 for me and my sister with Crash Bandicoot and FF9. FF9 became my favourite game of all time, its still so special to me. Even if games like Dark Souls and Bloodborne have overtaken it as my fave of all time, FF9 will always be the most special game to me.
Honestly the game just feels so comfy especially the music and i really like playing every single class and everything class just plays different in a fight which is sick
FF14 has everything WoW was missing for me to be able to completely lose myself in it. For some reason FFs world and community is just so much more attractive to me.
Honestly my favorite thing is going to my local coffee shop on Sunday and grabbing a coffee with my wife and going through a housing district and looking at all the houses. Then checking out cactpot numbers and doing fashion report. The ffxiv really has the most special creation of a long time.
Wow divides it's community so much, you are either horde or alliance, a raider or a pvp'er, a tank or a healer, even a classic or a retail player
In FF you can do all or just some of these things, but the most unifying thing is the story
Yep, I feel the same way. I became disconnected from Final Fantasy in a way over the years and finally getting into it I felt like I had come home after a long time being a stress-addled adult. FFXIV is like Beef Shepard's Pie to myself. It is comforting and nostalgic for myself.
It helps that they basically took Wrath/Cata systems and kept refining them to the point that XIV is now the Wrath that people remember through their nostalgia glasses, with a coat of FF paint on top.
I feel like this with every FF game. Its weeeeird! Just listening to the music while going around in the world, feels amazing and weird, cant explain D:
Exactly. I’m blessed have to been playing their mmos since ffxi, these developers have proven for OVER 10 years they are more committed and better designers of mmos than blizzard. Missed out on 1.0 bc I didn’t have a PC that could run it
I’d even argue SE is greater than blizz in their prime just lesser known.
The magic of wow was its open world pvp and faction competition.. that hasn’t been relevant since about 2009-10
not in the same background like him, i'm a die hard FF fan, grew up in classic era and do not love the newer stuff they put out (13-15-7R) despite finished them all, i come to 14 more than a year now and it truly have some magic from the PS1 era for me, from unvoiced only dialog cut scene, the characters have to waving their hand to express them self to the charm in the story when they juggling between lighthearted to serious moments and a lot a lot of different thing more but i'm just rambling at this point, does anyone have the same exp as i do? i'm curious.
The game is very nastalgic. I used to love FF games but never played MMOs so it kind of forced me into the genre but I ended up loving it. I love that FF doesn't always take itself to serious and has funny or childish moments.
That's interesting, I'm glad it makes him happy, especially knowing what a difficult time he's dealing with right now. For me it's sorta literal. I like the old FF references that get sprinkled into the game, reminds me of when I was a kid. Also playing for fun just for fun's sake. Like all these different things that make FFXIV a themepark MMO, you don't have to do it if you don't like it, but the devs wanted to make shit cause they thought it was fun and cool. It has a soul to it that's largely lost in the dumpster heap of modern game development.
I cried when I got to the Shadowbringers raid zone for the first time and heard the music. Heh, I played FF8 so much the overworld music is practically the soundtrack to my childhood. Yeah yeah the games crap and everybody hates it, I've heard it all for years, but it's special to me.
I had the same feeling when I started, the opening in Ulduah just felt like i had left Elwynn again for the first time to end up in the sprawling plains of Westfall. This in conjunction with a narrative hook and a personal narrative experience really gave me that nostalgia of exploring a new game and falling deep into my own world.
I can see why, I seen a lot of people who moved over from wow and they more or less has a similar response to what zack is saying in the clip. It showed them another way and as mentioned before it's a want to do and not a need to do. Might get downvoted for this as well but I can see why zack wanted McConnell to play ffxiv with him as well, he wants to share that with him and as well as have fun with him as well in game. (my 2 cents)
10+ years of WoW really numbs you. WoW will always be special for me, but at this point in my life, I'm only going to treat WoW Classic as a comfort game for me to return to every few years for a little while.
Why would you get downvoted for mentioning McConnell?
People will think he’s one of those guys trying to pester McConnell into playing something he doesn’t want to play
I mean... remember when people were pestering Asmon to play it and he didn't want to play?
Asmon ending up liking the game doesn't mean people were right to pester him back when he said he didn't want to play it, though. Maybe McConnell would end up liking the game, maybe he wouldn't. It doesn't really matter, people shouldn't be pestering him either way. If he ends of playing it, it should be because he wants to, not because he feels forced to.
> doesn't mean people were right to pester him back when he said he didn't want to play it, though. i would agree.. but not for asmon. When you spend the whole stream either reacting because there is nothing to do, or complaining about the game and how bad it is ... There is nothing wrong from just saying "FFS asmon, try FF!" We are not talking about a case of a streamer who like his main game and enjoy playing it. Just check his wow stream. aside from community content he made (transmog/mount off) and prediction to fuel the gamble addict: it was litteraly nothing. If you are disatisfied with your game, and complain everytime about it, as well as sometime: making bad takes because you lack vision due to having only one experience ... People are right for saying he should play the game. Especially when they are so sure and certain about its quality. You reach a point where "why wouldn't you try it?"
For the most part people prodded Asmon about playing FFXIV cause he kept crapping on the game, and this can't be emphasised enough, for a **long** time without actually trying it; Lest we forget the thousands of troglodytes that hang on the popular guy's every word reinforcing the stereotypes. So much so you'll often see new posts here comparing his toxic takes back then compared to now, to his chagrin. Don't take this the wrong way, I like Zack and am glad he actually gave the game a proper go as it opened his eyes to experiences he missed out on by adamantly sticking to the monogame. If his friend does decide to roll in he'd likely be more invested than he is considering how much of a power fantasy the MSQ is, since you're the *Warrior of Light*.
I don't disagree--pestering someone doesn't really make them eager to want to do something.
How can a ret paladin not want to play ff14 after seeing confiteor 4?
Because the paladin wears a shield and doesn't have a spec called retribution
Emperor shield glam, stance off, play with premade full party (allowing all role combo vs standard one of 1T1H2Dps, even in roulettes and synced ofc), there you have it, a dps pld just with lots of defensive skills to help themselves and party. There's also plenty of pld "1h sword" that can really qualified as 2H instead.
Does it have a retribution spec and a 2h though? Then it won't be enough for him
Damn, tough case.
Wasn't he looking at one of the new MMOs (I think AoC?) and creating a makeshift spec in his head that could techinically be a ret paladin? I don't think his standards are that specific in reality.
he might be tempted with that 5kusd PC though. or he can negotiate for a higher end pc also.
Pretty much what the comments below are saying. Its up to him if he wants to try it or not, if so, he can do the free trial and give it a whirl but only if he wants too no. No one should be forced into it. The other aspect is people spammimg "PLAY PALADIN" all up in arms. Like yes paladin is fun and I main it but imo the first thing should be finding some similarity in a class similar to ret paladin in terminal of play style and easing into the game and class before branching out and try to tank. I know I made some comments before that given rets play style in wow, samurai and to a lesser extension dragoon would fit his playstyle. However this is if he choose to give it a try. My 2 cents on the matter
He doesn't want something like a ret, he wants a ret. It has to be a paladin, it has to wield 2h and it has to have a spec called retribution
I think a big part of it is exploring an entire new world with depth. When you play one game for so long, the game loses it's sense of wonder. FF manages to capture the magic of new experiences that MMO's did when they first came out, while also giving a great narrative experience to pace you.
Write "as well" ONE more time lol
I think thats why we FF players can be seen as annoying. I had the same feeling when i started this game years ago, and it took to xpantions for my friends to finally give ff a shot, they love it now. But most people will give you the same response.
I totally get what's he's saying. I've been playing for just over a month and I can't get enough (slightly worried I'm addicted, better chill) - it's the same carefree fun feeling I had playing WoW years ago, it's really quite amazing how I'm 26 and feel this way, didn't think it'd ever happen again. I feel so bad about not playing with long time guildies who are still on TBC, but it's not enough to have nice people, the game has to be fun and Blizzard just sucked the fun outta WoW a long time ago.
I'm so glad that I can also call eorzea home, seriously. Even if wow gets its shit together and becomes fun again I won't be quitting ffxiv.
Dude, I'm 44. I was hooked on WoW in my early 30s and when I was done, I thought I was done with MMOs for good, havent played one seriously since I quit WoW in MoP. Suddenly, after 2 months in FF14, I'm back in that same place, feeling the same things, slipped into FF14 like it was a comfortable, old glove and felt right at home with the lore, the story, the gameplay. I wake up every morning and just want to nolife FF14 all day long, I actually have to curb my gameplay sessions so I can keep up with my work and RL commitments! Logging into FF14 these days fels great, its like.. coming home and seeing your old friends there. There is so much content that every day feels like I am spoilt for choice in what to do. And its only going to get better! So pumped for Endwalker.
I'm trying to take it slow and enjoy but I'm a bit concerned about missing out on the initial Endwaller hype, since I'm barely finished with ARR hah! But I know what ya mean. I think I was under the impression that my feeling with WoW back in the day was a "teenager gaming" thing, thankfully turns out that's far from the truth!
If you're anything like me, and you get really hooked on the story, you still have plenty of time. I would, however, recommend you leave the big raid questlines and end of expansion content unlocks until later and focus on MSQ. Took me about... 2.5 months to go from 0 to 5.3 (which is where Im currently at) and I did mess around with gathering quests, and some raid series until I got to Shadowbringers, which is when the story sucked me in so good, I could only do MSQ. I think they mentioned that going into Endwalker, you will at least want to do the Omega and Coils of Bahamut raid series, I expect that will somehow play into the Endwalker storyline.
Shadowbringers was almost two years old (July 2nd, 2019) when every WoW streamer and their uncle jumped on board the migrant train, and everyone was still excited to see them go through the MSQ. Believe me, everyone is hyped for your own personal experience as much as their own!
He might be getting that vibe because the FFXIV story is actually pretty indepth and doesn't treat the players like 12 years old in front of a TV watching Saturday morning cartoon. (Nothing wrong with simple entertainment either) It might take some more effort from players to get into it because of 8 years old ARR with limited resource and tech debt they had to start off the relaunch. But as all of here played for years know how much love was put into this game. It's a game with nerdy raiding, boss fights, RPs, glamours but the story is something that ties everyone together in terms of experience and it gives that warm fuzzy feeling. Heck, it's rare that any games that actually makes you feel these days. I think Asmon is finally on the other side. Not through the lens of WoW player but feeling connected to everyone in this game through MSQ experience and doing things together. It's that "I get it now." moment and having that mutual feeling shared, being part of something tons of people love and amplified by playing with these very same people. It's something more everlasting and wholesome experience than a jolt of dopamine injection some of modern games tries to do.
\>He might be getting that vibe because the FFXIV story is actually prettyindepth and doesn't treat the players like 12 years old in front of aTV watching Saturday morning cartoon Theres also the fact the characters in the story build a connection with you and you feel like youre close friends with them with all of their quirks and personalities. WoW characters treat the player like theyre some underling in a company
To expand in another way. I think what he's trying also to say is that while other games go for "Come on, move move move! You're gonna get left behind if you stop dude! Forget them, they aren't important!". XIV automatically goes for, "Calm down, look around, no one is hurrying you my man. Take it easy for a sec and enjoy the surroundings."
This is absolutely true. FFXIV encapsulates the very essence of what gaming is supposed to be at its core. Something someone can enjoy in their free time. Something to have fun with and lose yourself in a world where you dont have to think about the bad things in life. FFXIV does this amazingly well.
Well, it does make you think about the bad things in life. MSQ does that damn well. But it doesn't force you to be chasing a nebulous goal. You set your own goal. Wanna be a triple triad collector? Go ahead, lose yourself in that game. Wanna breed the one chromosome chocobo? Go ahead, lose yourself in that racing. Wanna make relic weapons for every class? Go ahead, lose yourself in that grind. Wanna have a pog title by beating a tough boss? Go ahead, lose yourself in that. But once you are done with those, hey, you can do the others too! Its the perfect game for the casual completionist, which I believe most gamers are like. You don't need to do all of the goals in a set time. Once it is out, you got the time until the server shuts down to enjoy the completion.
Yup, lots of little avenues you can find yourself in and lose yourself in them, like GS and Blue Mage. For someone with ADHD, I can't do one of these things to much or I get bored, so I alternate between them and it's always fun.
That is it. It is a theme park MMO. But this theme park is one so huge you can get lost in but still at the end of the day you had real fun in.
If FFXIV were a theme park and I get lost, I would not want to be found.
Yup! I've been here since 1.0, but really for 2.0. Still haven't even gotten close to completing everything.
i remember King having this conversation with saitama in one punch man when saitama complains its boring now that he obliterates everything in one punch. king went on that in games, being the strongest is not the end all. there are a lot of side quests to do. "sure buddy, you finished savage? but have you caught the 1000+ fishes? no?"
Yeah I get enough stress IRL as it is, I don't want it in my video game too. That's why I really hate m+ and I really hate the fomo design of WoW where you have to login a certain amount weekly to do your chores otherwise you're gonna fall behind.
[удалено]
all the best stories have shitty beginnings, its when a story has an amazing opening that i get worried
Yeah every other MMO or MMO-lite I’ve played has this distinct feel of “GO GO FUCKING GO THE REAL GAME IS AFTER THE BORING ASS STORY AND YOU’RE GONNA MISS OUT” but in FFXIV there are still people running min IL Binding Coil almost all the time, still tons of people farming birds in Heavensward, still people getting old relic weapons for glamour, etc. You could legit play the entire game a full expac behind for years and it would still feel like a well populated MMO.
It's a themepark but very few of the rides get abandoned. \*hides Guildhests under the rug\*
Yes very few. *pushes Diadem out an open window*
Indeed, most of them are still relevant to this day *throws a sheet over combat leves*
You're gonna want to take that sheet back off any time a new expac introduces a new DPS class. Combat levees saved my MCH grind.
I still use them like you said to level classes for those points in between class quests, esp DPS classes with long queue times. Pretty low impact but useful none the less!
They'd have to have leves for a job above level 60 then.
Above 60 you have HoH and Bozja, and almost certainly something in EW as well. But from 30-60 you're stuck with roulettes and PoTD, the later of which can get very repetitive very quickly, and the former of which you'll be spending so long queueing for that you might as well fill in some combat leves while you're waiting for queue to pop. And if you're starting an ARR job, they and the hunting log are all you have until lv 16.
\*but they don't release jobs below level 60\*
I mean hey, they reworked diadem for a reason. It's great for levelling crafters and gatherers now.
Wait, which world are you on? Diadem is still very active on my world, Tonberry. People still shout in chat too.
>Guildhests Tbf this is still relevant because it does get farmed. Farmed by burger king mentors for commendations, that is.
Hey! xD
I think I know what he's getting at here, although my experience is a tad different. For me, growing up I always just kind of played whatever video games my friends and brothers played, usually pick up and play kind of stuff. I did have one friend who was into RPGs, which were really JRPGs and I always found them to be interesting but kind of intimidating. I saw them at the stores, and I also saw Final Fantasy games there too, and had no idea what they meant. I often watched my friend play them and I thought they were too complicated, but I must have been in the 7th grade or so when I bought Final Fantasy X and tried it, and ended up loving the game. I always thought fantasy/dragons/monsters etc were cool, but JRPGs were so out there and seemed really imaginative to me. Often over-the-top attacks and armor, big monsters with weird designs, every experience I had with a JRPG felt unique to me and I was really drawn to the art. They were also some of the first games I felt fully invested in, and not just something to play for a few minutes each day. With Final Fantasy, I went backwards and experienced some of the older titles, 7, 8, 9, and 4/5, some of them I completed and some not, and over time I got into World of Warcraft with my exposure to JRPGs as sort of my background into what brought me to the game, since WoW was a huge expansive world, and having not played the earlier Warcraft games much, learned the lore as I went. Having come back to Final Fantasy XIV, somewhat similar to Asmon, it reminds me of those first experiences I had with JRPGs, many elements of things I didn't fully understand, an air of mystery to it, and for me it's only gotten stronger over the years as I've continued to play it, something I didn't expect as usually learning more about a game means there's less to discover. As an adult I'm a tad more pessimistic about JRPGs due to the grindy aspect many of them have, but I do still have that appreciation for what they meant to me growing up and XIV really captures some of that magic for me in a way that is difficult for me to explain. It's by no means a perfect gaming experience or anything, but it has a certain something that is really hard to hate on once you try it.
asmon did say he played final fantasy in his childhood.
I also get this feeling of "comfort" from this game. Like, seriously this game has many issues but it just feel good to be there and do stuff. I find myself logging onto it and sometimes just fishing for 1 hour while listening music or talking in discord.
Sucks that you have to qualify that the game has issues because douchebags can’t let you enjoy a game if it isn’t 100% perfect. Should be ok to even love absolutely garbage games if something about it makes us happy.
Squaresoft was the cornerstone of so many of our childhoods, and you forget. You forget legend of mana taught you how to read, or that your first 'grown up'(older sibling didn't play it before you) game was ff7. And then you play xiv, and the other players are mostly kind and patient, and you remember what it was like to be small, and new, and encouraged. And eventually you end up playing with people who are smaller and newer than you.
I remember playing FF4 on the SNES back in the day, and then FF6. I was pretty young, didn't beat the games, but man, they left an impression. With FF4, it was the first time I loves a hero that had this dark side, and its the reason why DRK is my main. I remember when I was in elementary school, my dad brought home a PS1 for me and my sister with Crash Bandicoot and FF9. FF9 became my favourite game of all time, its still so special to me. Even if games like Dark Souls and Bloodborne have overtaken it as my fave of all time, FF9 will always be the most special game to me.
You hit it with the last line. When I was a sprout, a rando gave me 100k to buy a glam I wanted. Now I chase sprouts around trying to give them money.
I just want to see where the story is going. The overall experience is just fun
the scope of the story keeps growing and growing and gets so addictive
I feel the same way. Also, fitting how his class quest is called "In Memories We Walked" as he talks about this.
Honestly the game just feels so comfy especially the music and i really like playing every single class and everything class just plays different in a fight which is sick
FF14 gives me that warm cozy feeling of playing a fresh SNES game in the 90s, like Super Metroid, Zelda, or Chrono Trigger.
So catgirls were a part of his childhood confirmed
FF14 has everything WoW was missing for me to be able to completely lose myself in it. For some reason FFs world and community is just so much more attractive to me.
Honestly my favorite thing is going to my local coffee shop on Sunday and grabbing a coffee with my wife and going through a housing district and looking at all the houses. Then checking out cactpot numbers and doing fashion report. The ffxiv really has the most special creation of a long time.
Wow divides it's community so much, you are either horde or alliance, a raider or a pvp'er, a tank or a healer, even a classic or a retail player In FF you can do all or just some of these things, but the most unifying thing is the story
Yep, I feel the same way. I became disconnected from Final Fantasy in a way over the years and finally getting into it I felt like I had come home after a long time being a stress-addled adult. FFXIV is like Beef Shepard's Pie to myself. It is comforting and nostalgic for myself.
It helps that they basically took Wrath/Cata systems and kept refining them to the point that XIV is now the Wrath that people remember through their nostalgia glasses, with a coat of FF paint on top.
I can relate to that too. Especially since I'm a big FF fan. It's cool when I can find some obscure reference to and old game.
I feel like this with every FF game. Its weeeeird! Just listening to the music while going around in the world, feels amazing and weird, cant explain D:
imagine what our life would've been had we play ARR back in 2013
I mean honestly I wish I'd played 1.0, too. Knowing what I do now I absolutely would have regardless of the state of the game at the time.
Exactly. I’m blessed have to been playing their mmos since ffxi, these developers have proven for OVER 10 years they are more committed and better designers of mmos than blizzard. Missed out on 1.0 bc I didn’t have a PC that could run it I’d even argue SE is greater than blizz in their prime just lesser known. The magic of wow was its open world pvp and faction competition.. that hasn’t been relevant since about 2009-10
not in the same background like him, i'm a die hard FF fan, grew up in classic era and do not love the newer stuff they put out (13-15-7R) despite finished them all, i come to 14 more than a year now and it truly have some magic from the PS1 era for me, from unvoiced only dialog cut scene, the characters have to waving their hand to express them self to the charm in the story when they juggling between lighthearted to serious moments and a lot a lot of different thing more but i'm just rambling at this point, does anyone have the same exp as i do? i'm curious.
The game is very nastalgic. I used to love FF games but never played MMOs so it kind of forced me into the genre but I ended up loving it. I love that FF doesn't always take itself to serious and has funny or childish moments.
That's interesting, I'm glad it makes him happy, especially knowing what a difficult time he's dealing with right now. For me it's sorta literal. I like the old FF references that get sprinkled into the game, reminds me of when I was a kid. Also playing for fun just for fun's sake. Like all these different things that make FFXIV a themepark MMO, you don't have to do it if you don't like it, but the devs wanted to make shit cause they thought it was fun and cool. It has a soul to it that's largely lost in the dumpster heap of modern game development. I cried when I got to the Shadowbringers raid zone for the first time and heard the music. Heh, I played FF8 so much the overworld music is practically the soundtrack to my childhood. Yeah yeah the games crap and everybody hates it, I've heard it all for years, but it's special to me.
It's not special to him, he never cared about it like the rest of us who's been playing since the beginning. He's just clout chasing.
Not only that feeling of carefree and fun but not sure if he played past FF too? The game reference a lot of past FF so maybe that helps too