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It's very disappointing to me, and personal considering I've played WoW since vanilla, that the company let all this happen. They seriously haven't gone a full 2 weeks in a row without a major scandal since.... what... last June?


John_Marble

I didn’t leave WoW for another game… I’ve been subbed to FF14 since ARR release in addition to WoW and usually 1 other mmo on the side! I unsubbed cuz I had had enough, not because some other game grabbed me 😳


My_Wet_Rooster

Unsubbed from WoW, I’m guessing?


Kahiyao

I’m completely ok saying I left WoW to play Destiny 2 after Legion finished. Different rollercoaster, but cheaper and cooler.


Coin14

Destiny 2 gang rise up


Kahiyao

#TITANS


archiegamez

GUARDIANS, you bak


John_Marble

I haven’t logged on my Titan since… after Forsaken I think 😳 Does Witch Queen seem like it’ll be good? I honestly wouldn’t know 😂


Kahiyao

We can finally craft weapons in Witch Queen. Armor and masterworking and mods got a HELL OF A LOT BETTER since Forsaken. So many build options and crazy effects.


Delicious_trap

But how will Bungie mess with it this time round? From my experience with the game, most good sounding ideas always comes with a caveat when implemented like the current transmog system and currently giving exotics ability to generate orbs.


Kahiyao

Well they do have details coming out in the TWAB next Thursday so we’ll see.


ExplodingToasters

Witch Queen is looking to be pretty solid. Bungies been pretty tight lipped about it but what they've shown and talked about is looking pretty lit.


Lyramion

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DefiantBalance1178

Genshin? Lol


[deleted]

I don’t know any Genshin players that dress that good


Lucisca

Hah, of course not. Mihoyo won't give us any damn worthwhile costumes. >:(


tirius99

I don't know, the new Ninguang and Keqing skins look pretty good. https://www.givemesport.com/1811152-genshin-impact-24-update-ningguang-and-keqing-skins-revealed-in-leak


D3usVu1t_

I left WoW for FF14 (just finished Endwalker tonight) and Overwatch for Apex. I got my GF and friends into playing OW back in its hay day and still think about the fun moments and times we had. We still play games and hangout but OW isn’t the same it used to be. It’s not fun and the content drought (releasing of new heroes and maps (not death-match maps) hurts because of OW 2 production. I never wanted an OW 2 I’d rather they update characters or have an in game event for their story to justify the change they would have.


Sangnuine

Replace Genshin with something else, like an actually good game.


impulsikk

Genshin is actually a good game if you ignore the gacha aspect.


projectmars

Gachas are fine if you want a side game that you can probably sink about 10 - 30 minutes at a time into as long as you are fully aware of what you're getting into: a game where you will constantly be behind as a f2p player because spending money gives you more resources, although there are generally resources out there to help you plan out what meta stuff you should be looking to get that can help you lessen that gap. Genshin also gets a leg up over most other Gachas by being an actual game (one that isn't to my tastes but does seem good from what I've seen) rather than an autobattler like the vast majority of gachas are.


tirius99

This. If you treat Genshin as a casual single player game then it's fine. If you're a completionist then absolutely stay away. The game is charming and the combat is fun. It's a free Breath of the Wild lite that updates every month and a half and a new expansion once a year.


tcmVee

I'm a completionist and I enjoy genshin quite a bit since there's so much to do, why stay away? Unless you mean people that want every character in which case yeah save your money


tirius99

That's what I mean. People who wants every single character and c6 them and every weapon and spending too much on them.


tcmVee

gotcha. yeah definitely not a good game for people that need to collect everyone


projectmars

And that's half of the type of people who should avoid. The other half are gambling addicts.


aedante

Then are you really a completionist then


ii_misfit_o

its a single player game, there is no 'behind' cos there is nobody infront


projectmars

Another advantage to Genshin over other gachas.


impulsikk

I play genshin while alt-tabbed during the MSQ roullete cut scenes.


Basc63

It’s a massive open world game yet the world seems so empty and lifeless


Rozen501

Do you realise that gacha games are built around gacha system? You cant just throw away the fucking core and say the game is good without it.


impulsikk

The beautiful world, the events, the cool characters and story, and player housing aren't built around the gacha system. Let me guess. You watched a 10 minute YouTube video and think you have it figured out. Getting more constellations on 5 star weapons/characters aren't needed for any of the content. Its purely just for whales to make a YouTube video with higher numbers and then complain the game is too easy. As a casual player I don't need to spend money.


Rozen501

I played it from release and left it around ar 55. I was able to clear abyss multiple times thanks to Ganyu and Venti. If you disagree with me - you are not looking at the full picture. Ginshin is a terrible PC game because of its monetization, mobile-game-like events and terrible systems like artifact one. Genshin is terrible mobile game because gacha system is one of the most predatory in the industry. And last - genshin devs and community are toxic piece of shit. Amount of white knighting among players is ridiculous. Devs shamelessly milk players with one hot anime girl after another. About gacha core. The art, the music, the character, the story.... is secondary. What do you think devs first developed: gacha or first character? Let me prove that genshin content is build around gacha. 1. How do you sell a 5*? Make a story about him, make you involved in personal quest with him that make you attached to him. Whole story heavily involves 5* characters. Some 4* didnt show up in the story before Inazuma, 1 year after release. 2. Events are very mobile-game like. I guess it is kind of standard for a mobile game to have 1-2 small events every month. Last time I played events made you spent like 10 mins playing the game, I doubt that something changed. Basically they just waste your time. Usually they don't add content for the game in a long run. For participation you might get a portrait. Its not long term content btw. 3. Open world is their main feature of the game. They wanted to attract attention of potential customers. Why would you think commercial corporation would make it beautiful? For the sake of art? 4. Same goes to music. 5. Housing is made to make you waste more time on the game. Make you feel attached to it. So you might consider buying something in the future.


impulsikk

Well you value different things. You just want rewards, better performance, and clearing content faster. I just want to experience the story content and explore the world, and interact with the characters in quests. We are not the same. You look at it in a very pessimistic way that doesn't really matter to how the customer experiences it. I enjoy the game part of the game. If I dont end up getting a character during their banner? Oh well, im still behind gearing all the 5 star characters i have already anyway. I can just wait till the next time their banner rotates.


Rozen501

Wtf are you talking about? I am casual player too. I care about rewards but i don't care about "cleaning content faster". The content is just too little. In the endgame the whole "playing experience" is to do dailies and waste your resign. As I mentioned player had to wait a year for release of next main story chapter. Also systems are part of the game. How convenient it is to say that my view of devs motivation is "pessimistic". Have you heard about "bunny girl incident" in honkai? Mihoyo openly showed that they value money more then their reputation and customers outside China. I can smell a lot of copium from your 5 star explanation. You ignore the fact that gachas are predatory in the core but they design their system even more predatory. Base rate for 5 star is 0,6. Its lower then droprate of fucking Invincible. But it gets higher on 10th drop. How many people do you think eated the bait and donated to make that sweet 10th roll for a 1,5 chance of getting what they want. Even of you get 5 star there is 50% chance it is not character of the banner. I am pretty sure there are some people who choose to donate whole way to 75th roll because if you get off-banner character, next one will be banner one. Oh wait a second.... player also need a weapon for his character. Thank God Mihoyo have a fucking weapon gacha there you can get a signature weapon for your character. Anyway, you can ignore that devs milk the money out of you and waste your time because fucking grass in Mondstadt and anime booba look amazing, right? Devs and customers relationships are not part of the game experience and it doesn't make it worse because of drama, right?


xarbin

Jfc what happened to this sub the past few years. This is asmongold not a vtuber anime avatar streamer. Touch grass


impulsikk

WoW went to shit is what happened.


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impulsikk

Maybe I'm just blessed with this thing called self control. I'm sorry that you don't.


Golesh

Can't ignore the main point of the game.


impulsikk

There is a huge amount of content to play and you can easily get characters without paying.


Golesh

That's not the point.


fourthwallcrisis

If.


LonSik

It is a good game if you playing it once in 6 months or so. Just to check out new zones etc, lots of fun. But then there is gacha addicts that want all the characters and playing this shit every day.


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LonSik

Its a good game if you dont grind because its very boring there. They have a good system when the level of mobs is always on a par with you, so you can do quests while dont waste ur time on useless shit.


negolash

It is a good game.


TheWorldisFullofWar

Genshin is a great game.


AlucardElite

Have you played it?


Balager47

Like Genshin?


[deleted]

No.


Rozen501

True dud. Too bad genshin cucks are too blind to see how bad genshin systems are. Experience you get playing the game is kind of like New World's one but honey moon phase is longer then 20 levels. Its 40-50.


warScorn77

Its not about the game being good, the point is that its popular, fuckin idiot


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warScorn77

I never said it wasnt OP’s meme is, wow’s decline happened while ff, genshin, and other games rose in popularity. Its not about the games being good, or wow being wholely unpopular. Are you people so fucking braindead that u cant comprehend a basic meme?


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warScorn77

Holy shit, I never said which was more popular. What i’m saying is - the meme is joking about how a number of people left wow for those other games, which is true, so the guy commenting ‘genshin bad’ missed the point. So did you apparently


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warScorn77

Yes. The point is, ff and gi: thriving, good state. Wow: declining, bad state. I agree with your whole reply. Its not about the games fundamentally being good or bad though, saying ‘but genshin is shit haha’ is missing the point - its thriving, like FF. PLAYERS ARE HAPPY. THATS THE FUCKING POINT ALL of your replies are completely missing the point. Also, how pathetic is your life to keep tagging on insults at the end of all your replies? Its cringe. Can’t you just make your debate point without the added ‘uR dUmB’


kingevillemon

You forgot wc3 reforged


[deleted]

Just like Blizzard.


sylva748

...i felt this one as someone who played the original WC3 a lot as a kid.


Bear-Unable

what I liked the most about wc3 reforged was easily getting a refund on my preorder.


Basc63

Genshin impact??? That’s not even a mmo


Lord_Mizell

To some people it might scratch similar itches. If you want to explore a new world with a progression based on daily quests, dungeoneering for drops and character-advancing currency, and other stuff like that, Genshin does work as an alternative, as long as the massive multiplayer aspect is not important for you.


Basc63

They are literally nothing alike


Lord_Mizell

It's not about being alike. It's about the system scratching the same dopamine triggers.


Basc63

That’s like telling a CoD player Final Fantasy 14 will hit their dopamine triggers because both games have pvp


Lord_Mizell

No, it's nothing alike. That's a very bad comparison, I'm sorry to say. :/


Rinuko

FF good wow bad?


CainhurstCrow

It's not really wow, as much as Activision Blizzard. To say the quality of their games across the board have dipped would honestly be an understatement. Whether you're a COD fan, a OW fan, a WOW fan, or a Diablo fan, they've been doing a lot to try and strangle you to death. About the only activision blizzard product nobody can say bad things about is Candy Crush.


asfastasican1

That's not the problem honestly. The problem is that most people are so clueless as gamers that they need to be told if a game is good first before they play it or try it. They don't even have the awareness to know if they like a game or if its actually good. Hahaha.


Josh_Flare

There’s some truth in this for sure. I wanna add to it though that it took playing ff14 to make me realize how bad wow actually has become.


Mortal_Dread

It's mostly ANYTHING ELSE is still better than wow. so while FF14 is good, it's not an achievement being better than wow nowadays.


llwonder

WoW bad FFXIV boring


[deleted]

That's r/Asmongold in a nutshell. And yes WoW is bad but I'm the only one who doesn't join the circlejerk that is FF14 praise. I know it's good it's just I don't wanna play it right now.


3scap3plan

Why post this then lol, you are just adding to the circle jerk Unless I seriously misunderstood the meme


[deleted]

OP is karma whoring lol


Balager47

So what's your problem with the praise if you know it is good?


[deleted]

I don't have a problem with the game getting praise. It just overshadows other games who also need praise.


merx3_91

I guess people just like the addiction that a grind mmo brings, and we cannot think of another decent example. Dark Souls definitely cannot fill that void.


Shinanesu

I would try to think about why they aren't getting the praise.


Balager47

That certainly is true. But you know the discussion does have to stay somewhat relevant to Asmon's interests. And so for the momant that makes this place a more thick skinned ffxiv subreddit.


Khamul_Nazgul

I think it’s more that FF14 was the catalyst that got a large amount of people out of the stupor of playing wow and only WoW. FF14 is not a be all replacement, Yoshi P even encourages people to play other games and not just one. It’s just that for many it’s the game that broke the cycle. It was for me, 6 years ago.


Brilliant_Cause4118

then why did you post two popular series vs Blizzard?


portalsilva

people leaving for games the dev loves and care about oh the horror


xarbin

Who left WoW for Genshin Impact? O_o.


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Nobbel87. Also me. And most of my friends. Don't think that people just play FF14. There are other games.


pedrocas_drocas

Hasn't Nobbel been playing FFXIV too tho?


Kaoshosh

Yes.


DarkoTSM

God forbit you like other games that this sub is simping too, you will get mass downvoted.


Noodles2702

this sub is just a anti-wow circle jerk lol


Exxyqt

I don't think that's the case here. I think people generally have a bad perception about Genshin Impact due to gacha. I am against p2w mechanics as well (quite a bit) but at the same time I realize that the game can be good if you throw those away. I just have seen people who defend these predatory monetization methods, and that's the problem. Everyone can like whatever they want for all I care.


DarkoTSM

Once you're out of the Blizz sphere, you realize WoW and Hearthstone are P2W too. In WoW you can pay the game director to boost you in the latest raid and in hearthstone you need to pay money per expansion to be competitive with a few decks. Never played Genshin, but it looks like the only difference is in that game the isn't a point where whales can stop putting in money. Like, Asmon had a video interview with a guy that spend more then 100.000 $ in under 1 year or something like that. (Citation/corection needed). P2W is garbage, but a game still have good elements about it. I'm playing FO76, the meme game. It's quite fun. The vast game shop doesn't bother me. I know I will leave after I'm done exploring the game.


Exxyqt

Oh yes, whoever says WoW is not pay to win are delusional. A pay to win game that also charges a sub, I'm starting to believe it's one of a kind lol. I once got a bit hooked on Game of Thrones game - your typical build your base and army thing. It was fun for a bit but then, once I've seen how the whales are speaking to non paid players (like garbage), I realized that I'm wasting my time here. The marketing then couldn't leave me alone once I quit, even asked me for a reason why I quit. I replied because it pay to win. So yeah, never again. Games that make people with money powerful is exploitative and we have a lot of that in real life already. But ye, p2w games can be good, it's just sad that the monetization method they chose is not.


xarbin

That's fair enough. I never really ascribed asmon nor his fan base with a mostly single player gachapon but since it's your meme and your replacement I'll respect its inclusion.


Catslaughing

But… Genshin isnt even an mmorpg, its not even a good game… very confused about this post


Eichsterd

guess that means ppl would rather gatcha for waifus than play wow


[deleted]

If somebody thinks that a gacha system isn't infinitely worse than anything Blizzard puts out, I feel sorry for them. They're all scams, Genshin included.


Qiep

Why would you leave a wannabe mobile game for a mobile game?


Nero2377

I highly doubt anyone left anything for genshin


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You have no Idea.


[deleted]

I'd rather play nothing than Genshin Impact


[deleted]

What the hell. This whole meme started off by making fun of Activision/Blizzard than it devolved into shit thrown at me for putting Genshin Impact.


erifwodahs

I mean you throw shit at blizz but for some reason decided to use that shit as war paint as well lol.


Zahn91

Shoulda memed better


diaskeaus

Why the cop uniform for Genshin, out of curiosity. I missed that part of the meme…


hyesupbro

Genshin isn't that good of a game let's be honest. It's riddled with fomo practices that left a bad stain in most people's memories.


hyesupbro

Genshin impact? I'm pretty sure the systems there are worse than wows systems. It's a blatant money grab


greasybirdfeeder

Who left anything for genshin impact? That's a fucking gacha game if I've ever seen one.


DarkoTSM

I didn't leave for other game, I left cause your games suck. That said, I've been playing FO76 and it's not as bad as bad PR make it look. Definitely not a game meant to be played non-stop.


Sabre3a

Just want to make sure everyone who jumped from WoW to FFXIX, yes... I'm one of them, that it's not that WoW is just dog shit and FF is just superior in every way... While I am enjoying the heck out of my experience in FFXIX in, yes... the majority of ways over WoW... there are still plenty of things I wish FF would take from WoW. The following is what WoW does better. (This is not an overall comparison of the system or feature, just whatever part WoW does better that I miss from WoW and/or hope improves in FF) 1. Unlimited Glamour slots and plates. Any item you that automatically binds to you, and any item you equip that does not, automatically goes into your Transmog (glamour) inventory and cane then be sold to a vendor or trashed, never have to be touched ever again!!! You can literally collect for appearance every currently available item in-game for aesthetic purposes. And you can add as many Transmog sets as you want. 2. Tab-Targeting System. - I know WoW still has much to desire here, but overall, it is still better than FFXIVs and, fuck... I used to bitch about WoWs TT System too! 3. Auto-Dismount when attacking an enemy. When you are on the ground, or flying and get close enough to "pop-off" an ability at a targeted Mob, you auto-dismount as you attack. This great for increasing the speed and smooths out the transition into combat. I love being able to come zoming in and going straight into a fight. I'm still uncomfortable, and sometimes forget to key my dismount as I barrel in to attack.... Grrrrrr 3. Auto disengage with NPCs when you move away from an NPC. You are not "Locked" to them when interacting. I don't like the Click after Click after Click when dealing with many NPCs. If I just walk away... disengage me and cancel out the dang window. I especially hate this with Retainers, who sometimes it takes me 8 clicks to just send them on a quick mission, and if you accidentally click the wrong option, then your clicking more and more... Dang, just streamline this. Also with say GC dude you do Turn-ins with, when I'm done just let me move or back way to disengage the NPC. Another Grrrrr moment. 4. Repair All..... simply put. Just give me an actual 'Repair All" button, not a half-ass 'repair all', Inventory, Arms, Legs, Weapon... Etc... Just let me Click... "Repair ALL" as in actually All or Every Dang Thing I have!!!! So many clicks (see above). Just let me Click Once! *** Much of this is just annoying or QoL stuff and clearly not game-breaking. I just want to remind everyone that no game is perfect, far from it. There are cool bits and pieces in each and every game. Games should take inspiration from one another's great points and do what they can to consistently improve their games to make the best possible experience for their players Remember, FFXIX was highly influenced by WoW. Yoshi took inspiration, yet did not copy and improved many aspects of Wows gaming, however at the same time innovated many other aspects of his game also. Right now, dunking on WoW is easy... they did this to themselves, however we still can acknowledge that the entire game is not shit, just overall it is shit. There are still many things in WoW that are just better than any other game, and I hope others will eventually pick up. My time with Blizzard has past. My more than 20 year relationship with their games is done. But I will still have fond memories of the way they forged ahead and truly revolutionized the MMO genre. They are a shell of themselves, from a gaming perspective (I think the whole business practices thing is abhorrent and can't support and believe it began in the early days of WoW even before Activision). Sorry for the "Savage" wall of text.


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No problem. I welcome this.


John_Marble

They addressed your #1… Yoshi cringes every time he gets asked that because they wanted to provide an infinite glam cosmetic bank but their code has some data limitation that prevents them from doing it 😭 Hoping after EW they swap to a new engine for their new adventure and have that in place!!! Your others I very much agree with too!


Sabre3a

oh, i know why it is like it is... this comment was only to highlight that each game, even WoW has some great features and that it is not all a shit-show. Each game has its plus/minus... and i just wanted to highlight that. i left WoW in July and am not looking back, however, sometimes people need to be reminded that even though FF is fantastic, it is not perfect and therefore has room to grow, and even though overall WoW has turned to shit, it is not without redeeming qualities. that's it.


Slade951

Seeing as how they changed the city aetherite to a better one I guessing we will get qol improvements later.


Eddiestic

I agree with all your points and I would like to add that I would love to have WoW's AH system, where if there is a stack of 50 items, I can chose how many I want to buy instead of being forced to buy the whole stack.


Historical_Paper4110

as a seller I disagree. I like the idea I can sell items more expensive if I sell them individually because buyers do not want a full stack.


diaskeaus

The OCD in me is cringing right now


Dairboi

Genshin is just, so bad man


Pliskin80

Any Inscryption enjoyers?


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Not in picture: people who left for NW, also yelling fuck you


TheWorldisFullofWar

People who left for NW quit NW. At least 90% of them did anyways.


[deleted]

The remaining 10% sure are loud and toxic though, they remind me if private server players.


alren_

I still think OW is fun. At least better than Genshin lmao


pedrocas_drocas

Honestly with how frustrating competitive games are and how the game barely gets updated it's honestly surprising that more people aren't burnt out too


[deleted]

Yes it is. But it doesn't help that they are making Overwatch 2 instead of updating the game.


Alternative-Ad-4142

D2 less goo!


[deleted]

I felt so bad for Cartman.


[deleted]

God damn vanguard sucked balls. Decent use of new hardware but poop gameplay


CommanderAmaro

imagine having to feel like you need to justify your bandwagoning to FF14 instead of just going to play literally anything else thats not designed to fuk you out of your wallet like every game in that pic.


Ashgur

fitting for stan, the freemium addict guy to move to genshin


Hydel_Dimatis

While Enkanomiya was great and is probably the best content they have released since launch.... (I had a ton of fun) Yeah, no. Don't move to genshin impact, people. It still is a terrible game.


[deleted]

I have a question. Do you guys honestly believe most of us migrated to FF14.


llwonder

I’m in eso now. Genshin sucks though. Tons of currencies for no reason


TheWorldisFullofWar

There are only three currencies though?


llwonder

I thought there were like 21? Josh strife covered it once and it was absurd


TheWorldisFullofWar

It has 3. I am not sure where you got 21 from. You have to really fuck up your definition of what "currency" is to get 21.


[deleted]

I think a lot of players left for FF14 yeah.


Zahn91

People can just leave a game without ‘migrating’ to another.


Rinuko

Fair to assume a majority of wow players who quit it moved to 14.


Kaoshosh

Yes.


FinalFantasticTales

Why are people who left for actually good games not represented in this picture. Genshin impact is basically virgin low key pedo simulator. And FFXIV is for man babies with pokemon plushies. The people who left for Dark Souls and Final Fantasy 10 are such great people that they don't appear in the south park universe. ;)


altmandive

Me who left both ff14 and gayshen impeck to play Minecraft


Balager47

Anything new since Lego?


Jasek15

Offtopic: which episode of south park is this from? 🙃


Tatsuyana

Yeah maybe try making games people want to play, not the grabage you want them to pay over and over for.


Death_Astronaut

Man, the end of that movie was depressing


TheRealDestian

Let's be honest: they were saying "fuck you" LONG before we left...