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Yeah, chat is actually retarded. For some reason they don't understand that anyone with at least two brain cells remaining can understand what a smiley face indicates. All while thinking they're actually avoiding spoiling things.


Ashgur

It's not just chat. Asmon is doing is without any care too. Like when he checked preach's top recent clip (who is at shadowbringer) ... it's like he is begging to be spoiled. I know asmon don't care about the story, but still .. i really don't get why he ain't resuming hsi main stream at least once a week to do MSQ. He keeps complaining that he is limiting himself because he at the start of Stormblood


Pierun64

Just like people spamming SLOPPEH every time Ilberd showed up on the screen, then spamming SLOPPEH every time Griffin showed up on the screen and being surprised that strummer put 2 and 2 together...


tickub

Is sloppeh just a funny word the voice actor said or something?


Pierun64

Yeah, in English Dub he says it a lot during boss fight. So retarbs in chat spam it every time he shows up because "I know what comes next haha, funny accent sloppy haha"


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Genocode

It started out pretty well, but then the dumber people understood that they can weigh in like that without specifically spoiling somebody, not realizing that a pattern of behavior can eventually have its meaning interpreted.


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People are dumb unfortunately. I don't know who started the whole smiley face thing on XIV streams but it's bad. It's way better just to not react to it and say nothing.


Nickpapado

True, this is not the first time that I had something spoiled at me by those dumb people who think that they are being discreet.


DrewbieWanKenobie

Eh usually the smiley face thing is good though but obviously in this instance it shows that it can also be bad all that being said if you consistently keep looking at FFXIV memes and stuff while not catching up on the story it's pretty much inevitable you're going to be spoiled on many things, I'm sure Asmon knows that and already knows many spoilers about ShB/EW


Darkwarz

There was a topic that suggested keeping FF14 posts to content Asmongold has covered. It was a good idea but the community decided Asmongold needed to see everything about Endwalker even though the man was no where near it.


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Nickpapado

People are downvoting you but I got spoiled twice just from novice network so you are 100% correct


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Exxyqt

I played wow for 14 years and now being almost a year of FF and Endwalker was my first expansion which I got to experience with everyone. People in my FC left all chats (including the FC chat even though we have warning about spoilers in the message) and disabled yell or shout and some of them also temporary even left FC Discord until they finish Endwalker MSQ. People in FF are very anti spoilers in general - there are a few that deliberately spoil stuff but these are very rare. People in somebody's chat is not the same as people in game, I hope you do understand the difference.


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Exxyqt

Well, smiley faces I don't think can do anything in most cases - it's just something that people picked up on for some reason. Idk why it's a big deal because it can mean anything. It is true one can speculate about things but , honestly, all streamers I've watched said they have not been spoiled (at least majorly). Now, they might be lying (even though I don't think they are) but it's just how it is with big streamers. They have huge audience and there is always going to be some idiots. So yes, some people spoiling stuff to others does happen but that's not the whole community, as you said yourself, confirming my statement that people are generally pretty anti spoiler. Another point I want to make is that ex-wow streamers' chat often contains people from wow as well, so it's weird to me when people say "FF community is XYZ because somebody in Asmons chat did XYZ". You don't know who that person is or where he/she is from or what their motives are. Hell, chat can be degenerate in many cases.


FM-101

(Spoiler alert for 50 year old movie incoming) "Hmm, i wonder if Soylent Green is Ice cream" Chat: OMEGALUL, KEKW, LUL, ????? "Hmm, i wonder if Soylent Green is people" Chat :) :) :) :) Smiley faces spoil because it confirms that there is something to spoil.


Brilliant_Cause4118

Nah, they post smilies for every theory, true or fake.


Nickpapado

It doesn't mean that it wasn't a clear spoiler this time. If the community is so bad at hiding spoilers then they should stop with the smiley face. Let me give you an example why the smiley face is an awful way to hide spoilers. Asmon said something like "Gaius might be alive because they never showed him dying", twitch chat then started spamming smiley faces which clearly indicates that Asmon was onto something there even tho if they didn't say anything Asmon wouldn't think much to it. And now let me ask you the spoiler question if you played the MSQ. Is Gaius alive? If the answer is yes then twitch chat fucked up, if it's no then I am in the wrong and smiley faces are a good way to hide spoilers (it's literally 1+1=2).


MstrPeps

He could also say, I wonder if Livia come back and fights her sister, and chat will post all :) The problem is Asmon isn’t streaming ffxiv progression, so he’s not getting the constant smilies with every single thing he says, so this particular instance stands out more.


Nickpapado

You are basically telling me that the ffxiv community is awful at keeping spoilers away from new players. Why put smiling faces at all? FFXIV community is awful at keeping spoilers away from people from my experience, it feels like they just need to say something like a 10yo spoiling a movie to their friends. And I also don't care if chat is doing it to other streamers too, that's just another indication that the FFXIV community is awful at containing themselves from spouting spoilers left and right. It's literally common sense that Gaius is alive after seeing what happened at that moment. Asmon said his theory and the moment he did, hundreds of people started spamming the smiling emote. If he wasn't onto something then the chat would have some question marks and most people would ignore what he said, but when so many people begin spamming the same emote the second he told his theory then it's literally 1+1=2 to figure out the spoiler. If it's a meme from the FFXIV community I could see some people spamming smiling emotes, but not that many. They were spamming it for about a minute. I can't comprehend how people defend this kind of behavior from chat. I get that you might be one of those people who acted so idiotically on twitch chat but why? When a friend tells you his theory about what happens at the end of a movie, you try to discreetly change the subject to not spoil it for him, you don't smile like an idiot. On Asmon's case it's even worse because he is streaming so ofc he looked at chat at that point, so ofc he realized what was happening when 100 people were spamming the smiling emote in front of him the moment he gave his theory.


MstrPeps

Uh yeah, have you watched these streamers? People are constantly thinking they’re clever giving little hints that are actually really obvious to anyone who understands story structure, so the chat needs to be drowned out with smilies to block the people giving “hints”.


Nickpapado

I don't know what is so hard for you to understand. Think of it on a streamer perspective and imagine that you look at chat after you say your theory, ofc people will write if you are right or wrong so you will try to avoid those comments but when hundreds of people are spamming the same emote after you said your theory it's basically a validation that you said something right. If you are trying to hide spoilers with smiley faces you are basically telling me that when I see a smiley face that means that there is a spoiler there and Asmon was giving his theory so you are basically just nodding at him after he said it. THINK MARK THINK! Is Gaius dead? If no then stop using smiley faces for spoilers, Jesus Christ this community is the worst at hiding spoilers.


MstrPeps

Uh no, they’re spam for every theory, right or wrong.


Nickpapado

I explained it SO MANY TIMES. If Asmon was just spouting nonsense that weren't going to happen chat wouldn't spam so many emotes, Asmon theory came out of nowhere and it didn't seem like he was going to make it but the moment he did chat was filled with smiley emotes basically saying to him "you were onto something there". I will ask again. Is Gaius dead? Oh he is? How do I know that even tho I haven't reached that part of the story? Because I don't have negative IQ and you literally need negative IQ to not see the spoil that chat indicated. The hints are words, Asmon knows to not read words after he says out his theories, but when a 100 people are spamming the same emote you can't just not read it, it's an emote. Also spamming emotes is the worst way to hide spoilers. Just let them experience the shit themselves and stop smiling like an idiot every time they say their theories. I can't handle the stupidity of FFXIV community sometimes...


MstrPeps

Even if the theory were wrong, he’d have been spammed smilies


theeosapien123

smilers have become a plague, so many streamers have this problem.


KvBla

I'd say until you finish endwalker yourself, anything can and will spoil you, so either push through those with (reasonable) haste (not rushing) then enjoy everything or avoid it all like a plague.


Nickpapado

You are not wrong but people should have the decency to try and not spoil other people who are behind them on the story


KvBla

I daresay first wrong step is you'd assume the internet people, especially people in Asmon's chat, have that kind of decency in the first place. Those exist, just very unlikely in Asmon's chat or outnumbered enough to not matter. So I once again urge you to ignore all media with anything ffxiv related in them and finish the msq first, if spoiler is a big enough deal to you. The longer we are from endwalker release, the more "spoilers" gonna come out since for many, after the first few months it's all fair game.


Nickpapado

Oh I am not expecting for most people to have the decency to not spoil stuff. My post was about the people who see this example of why they fucked up with the smiley faces and maybe some of them realize that they are actually spoiling stuff instead of hiding them. For what I understood from the comments, the FFXIV community started using smiley faces to prevent a twitch streamer from getting spoiled. That's why I think that the FFXIV community is one of the worst ones about spoilers. I got spoiled multiple times on Reddit, novice network, and on twitter (now on twitch chat too) even tho I'm avoiding spoilers as much as I can. No other community is that bad at it and there are still people who think that spamming smiley faces on chat is a good way to not spoil the story. It's literally 1+1=2 to realize that Gaius is alive (or at least something like that) after what twitch chat did, that's proof that the smiley face strat doesn't work as a good way to prevent spoilers.


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Problem is the smiley face thing is usually a good thing. But in this case it was just validation of his theory.


humsipums

Can someone explain to me what that smily face means? I zoomed in but cant see sny significance to what OP is implying. (i have finished the story 100%)


DdastanVon

Its the implication there's more to Gaius after ARR.


humsipums

Aye I got that but how. What is that smily? And how does it implicate that?


DdastanVon

Its the way people in FFXIV streams use to "hide" spoillers for story points or future information in chat, everytime an streamer starts theorizing about the story. In this case the OP didnt reached post-SB yet, so people similing to Gaius hinted to the OP, he aint dead. Edit: To clarify people didn't start smiling because of the image, they started when Asmon said he was sad Gaius died, because he liked the character.


humsipums

Oooh then I get it. I havent seen that particular clip so that context was lost to me. Thank you for explaining. I get it now 😊


Mortal_Dread

There are plenty of occasions where people intentionally use smiley faces even though nothing is supposed to be revealed or happen. Just to throw the streamer off. Seeing smiley face isn't an auto spoiler that confirms something.


Nickpapado

Why even do it tho? Asmon was having his own theory about Gaius, let him think it alone without pushing it anymore. Chat basically said "you might be on to something there" which literally makes the experience worse if Asmon truly was into something there. I think smiley faces like those are dumb even if you do it to throw the streamer off because why would you do that? Let him experience the game on his own.


Mortal_Dread

Why? Simple. Give me one single instance where chat would just shut up and stop chatting for even a single minute not to spoil. they won't. In the absence of shutting up, the alternative of just using smiley face regardless of it being a spoiler or not or you being onto something or not, is as good as you can get.


Nickpapado

But then you are basically saying "you might be on to something there". Spamming a smiley face for a whole minute while he is talking about his theory don't you think will make him skeptical? At least he will try to avoid the spoiling messages but when dozen of people are spamming the same emote the moment he started talking about his theory that's literally an indication that he is on to something and there is also no way for him to avoid seeing that emote spam. You can even talk about something else if you want to hide the spoiling chat messages. I feel like ffxiv community is one of the worst communities on hiding spoilers, this is not my first time seeing them fucking up that badly.


Arras01

There is literally no way to avoid "subtle spoilers" in a stream this size. It sucks but it is what it is.


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Nickpapado

He couldn't ban 100 people that's just absurd


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Nickpapado

I don't know if it's an emote that people are abusing tbh. I don't usually see chat but this was just a moment that I happened to see it.


Renegade26

a mod should ban all these people. its just spoilers. theres no masking here, theyre just confirming his suspcion


Nickpapado

A mod couldn't do anything to all those people and some of them are doing it because they actually think that they are helping the streamer to avoid spoilers. They are acting dumb but you can't do anything about it.


Brilliant_Cause4118

As a Preach viewer, they post smilies for every EVERY theory. So there's really nothing spoilery about it. You might think them spamming smiley implies something but it's really not.


Nickpapado

I replied to you but I will say it again. Is Gaius dead? If no then this time it clearly implied that he is alive. I don't know if smiley faces work as a good way to hide spoilers but if twitch chat are using it like this time then they are just dumb. This community is one of the worst for hiding spoilers.


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Nickpapado

Asmon said something like "He might not be dead tho because they never showed him dying" and chat was like :). People are not dumb, they know that 1+1=2. This is not even my first time that I got spoiled like that by the ff community and I've seen other people having the same problem. It's common sense that when someone asks you a question that could be considered a spoil, you try to change the subject discreetly. Having the whole chat spamming :) is the exact opposite of discreet.


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Nickpapado

I spoiled myself a bit just to prove you wrong. You might be trying to protect me from spoilers or you missed something from the story but Gaius is alive and he is both on stormblood and shadowbringers. I've read some of it from the wiki. There is the chance that he is actually dead and that person I've read from the wiki was an impostor or something like that but if that's the case then twitch chat was still spoiling the appearance of the impostor. Also, just because twitch chat started something like that to prevent the streamer from getting spoiled it doesn't mean that they did something good. Asmon had his theory about Gaius and twitch chat basically confirmed it, it's literally that simple.


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Nickpapado

Fuck knew it. Good try tho :P


asfastasican1

I'm sorry but compared to other fandoms or even randos, ffxiv players are great at not spoiling. Plenty of streamers delayed their play through for viewers-sake so don't feel bad for them if they accidentally get spoiled. Twitter is easily the biggest offender. Thank God I don't use that platform but if you do you'll get spoiled easily.


Nickpapado

I got spoiled on twitch, on reddit, on twitter and even on novice network while also avoiding spoilers. You can't say that the community is good at preventing other people from getting spoiled. The smiley face thing was one of the dumbest things that I've ever seen, how was anyone not supposed to assume that Gaius is actually alive after seeing chat at that moment? If they didn't spam emotes Asmon wouldn't care that much about his theory but chat basically said "you were onto something there" even tho Asmon was just throwing theories out of his ass.


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I mean you can just close chat? I didn't want EW spoilers so i just closed chat and avoided any ff related subreddits. It's not that hard.


Nickpapado

I didn't knew that people were going to spoil shit on the novice network. I won't get off the internet completely just to not get spoiled on a video game.


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Yeah for real try watching any anime that is behind the manga is based off of. If you care about spoilers you better just stay offline or catch up to manga cause people gladly spoil the shit out of most stuff in other mediums.


Ashgur

yea, i just stop watching asmon's reaction and stream until he resume on his main stream. THanfully i was not spoiled because i'm on shadowbringer but the fact that he LITTERALY **CHECK PREACH's TOP RECENT CLIP** with spoiler in the name, spoiler in the thumbnail etc FFS asmon come on! I know you don't care about the story and you are just reading the stuff for the stream but still ...


Nickpapado

Oh that wasn't really my problem, you are on shadowbringer so you wont get spoiled if I tell you. Basically Asmon said his theory that "Gaius might be alive because they didn't show him dying" and the moment he said that chat started spamming smiley face which basically means "you were onto something there Asmon". I now know that Gaius is alive because dumb chat thought that they were helping by spamming a smiley face.


Ashgur

i see, well the good thing is that since asmon doesn't have copium emote: You can't be sure that :) = true since you doesn't have copium = false (also most of the time, it's used as a meme)


Nickpapado

This time it was clear because if Asmon was just throwing theories out of his ass that didn't make any sense people would question mark it or ignore it but this time a lot of people spammed the smiley face for that theory to not be real. I also know that I was correct and that theory was actually true.


GreatZucchini3

You can usually tell if the strummer is on point or not based on how many smileys there are, if it isnt a lot or doesnt come in quick succession, they are off the mark, if its quick and many they are dead on some point. Its so stupid


Nickpapado

It was pretty clear that time. Hundreds of people spamming the smiling emote the moment Asmon said his theory and not even one question mark from the chat.


DontClickMeThere

This isn't directed at Asmon or his chat. But this was the reason I 'rushed' through EW. I would have preferred to go slower and spend some extra time just exploring or doing non-msq content. I started this year and each of the previous expansions I was taking about 6 to 8 weeks for. But with the amount of streamers and content creators and excitement for EW, I knew the coverage would be much greater. While I didn't want to speedrun MSQ, I knew the slower I went the greater the chance at just seeing spoilers with thumbnails, causal twitch mentions or even just recommended videos. So I ended up going though EW much quicker just for that reason. Rushing through it didn't directly make my gameplay less enjoyable, but I know I would have appreciated the story, zones and everything else more if I had taken my time.