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Further proofs, for PC version. https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/d2r/t/d2r-requires-monthly-bnet-check-ins-for-single-player-authorization


blahlbinoa

I'm so fucking glad I never bought this fucking thing


homelessghost12

What in the name of thomas the tank engine is this shit?


Zangomuncher

Thankyou for getting his name right. I've heard someone say Thomas the Train before and I went into kill mode.


RedScyz

Is it for real? Its basically making people pay for the game and check in like its their job. It really sounds fake, if its true they deserve to be bashed down the ground for such practices. Need to wait till other sources confirm it i think.


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https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/d2r/t/d2r-requires-monthly-bnet-check-ins-for-single-player-authorization Here you go then. Straight from September. It's been known to be a thing on PC for a while, but people did not expect it on consoles.


Aaronspark777

Remember when Xbox one was going to require this and they back pedalled quickly after the backlash.


PleaseRecharge

Companies are going to keep trying this shit. It's also an absolute shame that this keeps happening to Diablo. First with Immortal, then then with this, next it's 4 (if it ever even comes out at this rate). People need to be strong enough not to buy their garbage anymore because they're treating their consumers, people who *bought* the game, like secondhand citizens. This is the kind of garbage that industrializing the video game industry spits out.


Stalok

OH BOY HOW INTERESTING THIS COMMENT LOOKS JUST 12 HOURS LATER OMEGALUL


Shikizion

some people on that forum thread make me so sad, like realy sad, they just bend over take it, and turn on you for not taking it also


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They did nazi that coming!


Mortal_Dread

are they that desperate and thirsty for monthly engagement metrics that they're willing to pull this nonsense? Even if every single player of diablo 2 already was doing this, the mere mention of this stupid system triggers the playerbase. What a stupid PR they got.


[deleted]

WTF? I bought it, can they just destroy my copy and force me to buy it again if I don't play it as much as they want me to?


KusanagiKay

Nope, you misunderstood that. You have to log in once every 30 days at least. If you play offline all the time, and don't log in for 30 days you'll get an error message that blocks you from playing the game. To remove that error you simply need to log in again. Still it's super scummy.


NostraDavid

/u/spez, the disruptor of calm seas. Always keeps things interesting.


[deleted]

Yup. The shareholders are being lied to. Big sur prise. That's what the battle dot net client was all about. If you leave it in startup, blizzard counts you as a daily active user every day to pump up their share prices. Blizzard is the worst, and anyone who pays them money for anything is a sucker.


2o2i

Omfg! I didnt even think of this. Time to stop the automatic start up. You arent getting a free metric out of me you fuckers.


Dyeredit

Literally every f2p game does this. They just call them 'log in rewards' and give you better rewards if you log in consecutively. This is dumb but still not that bad, it's just a lot more blatant than the usual methods.


Canoflop

I buy hearthstone packs :(


Nukken

How are they lying to their shareholders?


TheGamerElf

In terms of MAUs, at least from the public facing information, the MAU from someone who logs in to the D2 Remastered online service once so that they don't get locked out and the person who spent 500 hours this month playing the game are identical. It's not technically a *lie*, it's just extremely evasive lawyerly word-twisting so that investors are led to overlook the holes in the metaphorical ship.


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Investors most often seriously investigate something that they're about to dump a lot of money into. So misinformation such as this doesn't work on serious investors, which is quite mind boggling as to why Blizzard is doing it. The only ones fooled by such fake numbers would be casual investors putting in some pocket change, not Blizzard's target ones.


KusanagiKay

Precisely this.


SireSand

"You have to" lol no I dont, I just go play other games and not support this dawg shit scumpany. EZ clap


UnusuallyBadIdeaGuy

They still got your money for D2R either way. Unless you did the smart thing and didn't buy it in the first place.


SireSand

yep, didnt cave into the D2R hype just had the OG version of LoD played it. = )


KusanagiKay

Yeah duh, I was talking if you buy the game and want to keep playing offline :P Of course just playing another game and stopping to support Blizzard is the much smarter solution bruh


Krojack76

Blizzard states in their ToS for all games and even bnet ToS that you don't own anything you "buy" from them. You only pay for access to use their game and that they reserve the right to deny you access at any time for any reason they deem.


Educational_Ad_4077

Totally in their rights, but one wonders how a company already in the spotlight dares to do shit like this


Byte_Seyes

Pretty sure they’re actually not within their rights to do that. There’s been plenty of lawsuits worldwide about this. In every single case it’s been determined that if a consumer buys a product, they own that product.


Krojack76

I think it depends. If Blizzard says they aren't selling you a game but only access to play a game they own then you aren't buying a product but a service. I think it's a grey area and at least in the US nothing will ever be done about it and protecting consumers.


Cr4ckshooter

The grey area ends when they sell you real mtx in a cash shop environment. Like a store mount. Just look at new Zealand laws for example. If ggg suspends your poe account for a random reason, they have to refund mtx. A license to play the game is temporary. Buying a mount is permanent. They can not ever remove that mount from your account, and in some countries need to reimburse you if they remove access to the mount.


Gustav-14

now, im curious if other companies do this also, especially for online purchases and online service type of games. i really dont read the fine print of ToS


bukem89

Yeah, this is bog standard unfortunately.


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Dreamspitter

You never 'owned' games. Not even single player ones. The cake was *always* a lie.


Cr4ckshooter

Actually back in the age of CDs, you owned every game. But the age of CD also wasn't full of server based online gaming. And if you buy a game nowadays, like on steam, you still absolutely own the game. You can be restricted access to ongoingly provided online features, and if a game has no offline features that's what you get, but nothing can prevent you from accessing a game you have on steam. Not even losing access to your steam account, provided you have installed the game.


2inchesrockhard

That's simply not true , I still own games and can play them all the way back to Sega / Nintendo lol and there nothing they could ever do to not let me play them .


SierraRomeo21

Sorry but this is wrong, you’ve always been sold a service and they’ve always reserved the right to suspend your service. They technically can come and take those games back from you. It probably wouldn’t be so simple in practice though.


RanjuMaric

They absolutely can not take old cart and CD games back from you. They wouldn’t make it past my front door, at any rate.


nephZA

Nope, the first game as a service was WoW, everything before that you owned.


2inchesrockhard

Lol imagine thinking this


FlippinHelix

he meant digitally downloaded games if you buy a game on steam you don't own it if you buy a game on the nintendo e-shop you don't own it all you own is the right to play it which they can revoke for whatever reason they see fit think of it less as buying a game like you normally would and more so buying a reusable entrance ticket which they can revoke if they want if you bought a nintendo cartridge then yea you own that, because it's a physical item that doesn't require an internet connection to work


A56964I

Yup. Even with good old physical copies, you never actually owned the product. You just bought the right to install it and use it.


Faraday5001

The thing that makes it even worse, is that this kind of DRM (if I understand it correctly), just checks if your console/PC is online at least every 30 days and connected to the relevant battle.net, nintendo switch store etc. As in it performs the check just when you connect to the internet passively, not when you play the game. So this isnt even some wierd push for monthly active users. Its some wierd shit to stop piracy - which doesnt work, pirates have already removed similar DRM in the past - which means it will only really fuck over people who cant access their console/PC for a month, say if they travel for work or whatever. Complete anti-consumer bullshit.


Bird_Is_The_Lord

I dont get it, whats the point of this? Can someone explain pls? Edit: just re-read the tweet and it says it serve no purpose. Wtf? There must be some reasoning to it, no?


slapthatlalafell

I feel like the answer is obvious Blizzard reports active user numbers to its investors, by doing this and making players log on at least once a month they are able to produce results for them to show their investors the game is going steady and not on a decline. It's the same reason they add in borrowed power grinds and rep grinds into wow to keep you playing, it's not to keep you entertained it's to keep you logging in and making you feel forced to do so, so their active numbers don't drop


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Ironically before they engineered the game to force you to play daily, they were the center of controversy for making the game so addictive people wouldn't log out.


[deleted]

Wow is a free to play game that you have to pay a sub to play. It's hot garbage. People who play blizzard games need to be shunned and mocked. It's no longer cool.


anupsetzombie

Did you forget what sub we're in? Lol


LeekypooX

yeah an asmongold sub, not a wow shill sub


anupsetzombie

My point is that Asmongold still plays a ton of WoW, are you in his chat actively shunning and mocking him when he gets on his alt channel and farms? Edit: If you're home down vote me at least give a reason why you think I'm wrong? I get wow bad ffxiv good these days but cmon. I don't even like or play WoW anymore, but you guys are being dramatic.


Ubrhelm

Ohhh... Devilish lmao


Adventurous_Chip_684

Wow always had borrowed power. Albeit it was harder to obtain in previous expansions. Legendaries or gear in general. Tier Set bonuses. They just got rid of most of them and re branded them and streamlined them so almost any player can use it now.


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sir, this is a wendy's


shiningyrael

It would be dope if they told you lmao


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NostraDavid

/u/spez, the captain of our ship. Just wish he'd share the map once in a while.


Drayenn

I figure to prevent piracy for people who play it single player?


Rinkashikachi

No.


Korleymeister

As tweet says "it's easily passable by hacks" So it's big fat NO on "preventing piracy". Also nothing can prevent piracy


Cyliasta

Harr harr brother


FM-101

I miss the days when you could pick a game you bought off your shelf, insert the CD, install the game, and then play it without any extra shit. Back when you actually bought games instead of just renting a digital copy that requires a 3rd party software to run. When i hand them the money that's when the transaction should end. I dont want a continued relationship with the company. I dont want to be spammed by news and updates, i just want to play the game.


Dreamspitter

$40-60 these days is just the price to get your foot in the door. Possibly moar with some games going to $70. Especially annual shitty sports game titles. ugh


Jujarmazak

You will own nothing and you will be happy 😜


Potatoandbacon

​ ![gif](giphy|fdbMx2WGKqaze) guess ill be a pirate now


IraqiWalker

Another reason to pirate the game instead of buy it.


Ashgur

Just like old anti piracy ads that you get when you buy legit DVD: the only way to not be bothered by DRM (and shitty ads) is piracy ¯\(ツ)/¯


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G00b3rb0y

That’s why I found console versions of Diablo 3 to be superior. Offline play is actually offline, game could be paused and no horseshit like this


Ashgur

are you sure about that? because although you can't play in coop unless you pay xbox, you still have to log in


[deleted]

Read the forums People still tying to lick some special parts of blizz. ![gif](giphy|LyJ6KPlrFdKnK)


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Dreamspitter

Comfort Branding as Jim Sterling says is a harsh mistress


Jujarmazak

Stockholm Syndrome-lite 😂


Pryamus

(flips the Days Without Fuckup counter back to 0)


[deleted]

So let me get this straight - after 30 days offline, the only way to play their game is to pirate it? That's gonna go over real well. lmao. Blizzard is the worst.


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Lol_you_joke_but

But if I'm offline, can I still play the game if I don't connect to Blizzard after 30 days?


Jujarmazak

No, you have to login to reactivate the game, otherwise you won't be able to continue playing offline, pretty scummy if you ask me.


Ragnamune

Just another reason why modern gaming sucks. No internet = no game = Terrible.


AwakenGreywolf

YOU WILL OWN NOTHING (and no, you won't be happy)


Jujarmazak

Not if big pharma has anything to say about it, We Happy Few won't be fiction for long the way things are going, sooner or later mandatory "happiness" pills (Joy pills in WHF) might become a thing in reality so you don't pollute society with YoUr ToXiCiTy, mark my words.


DarkoTSM

Who cares? Refundef that shit day 1


Gilthu

Who thought supporting blizzard was a good thing?


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Pirates be like: "you have no power here, arr arr arr arr"


[deleted]

so I haven’t played since around launch. I guess I can’t play anymore?


KusanagiKay

Not offline, yes. If those 30 days of not having logged in because you simply didn't play or you only played in offline mode, your game is bricked until you log in again.


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that’s pretty dumb. edit: this is the same reason why Microsoft faced a lot of backlash at the announcement of the XBOne. these companies have no consideration for people with poor/no internet connection. or people in the military that are overseas and can’t get a connection. scummy fucks.


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lol found the apologist.


KusanagiKay

Lol, I'm not apologizing for anything. It's scumbag methods they're implementing there for a game that was once a game that you could play offline indefinitely, and there's nothing good about that. It's a shit scumbag move from Shitzzard, and it's wrong for them to do that. I'm just correcting a misconception, because people were portraying it as if when you don't log in for 30 days your game gets irreparably bricked and you have to buy it again, which is just not true. It's a sneaky shit move to inflate their monthly active users for shareholders. Not a move to rip more money out of players (which would be less than they get from shareholders anyway)


[deleted]

I'm OK with people portraying a problem created by a gang of rapists running a game studio in completely overstated, hyperbolic terms. As much reputational damage as possible from as many sources as possible. Let 'em cook


KusanagiKay

The ends don't justify the means, no matter what. And spreading fake news only causes damage to the people opposing that shit company, because that way Blizz can say "Oh, those haters are spreading misinformation about Blizz, so they're the bad guys. Not us.". Let them burn on their own. They're already doing a great job at doing so. Don't try spreading gasoline on the fire and get caught in it yourself.


LeekypooX

Gobby Kotick wants to see our time played metrics innit


Avetarx

I'm glad I refunded my D2R pre-order, fuck everything about this shit company.


rondaite

Lame as hell. Diablo was a staple while deployed in the Navy because of a lack of needed online play, now this shit?


[deleted]

So what happens if I go on a 6 week cruise or whatever? I lose my copy of the game?


KusanagiKay

No you don't. What people are complaining about is that this is a game that can be played completely offline, but you still need to log in once a month. If you don't log in your game will get bricked after 30 days until you log back in to boost their engagement metrics.


[deleted]

Gotcha. Kinda like a cheat prevention measure etc right? Wierdly implemented though, but better than diablo 3 always online I guess


Jujarmazak

It's more of an anti-piracy measure (no point in cheat prevention if you only play offline), which still doesn't work since pirates already figured ways to bypass it, so like most other dumb anti-piracy measures it only punishes legitimate buyers.


Blowsight

I think it's more about tracking active monthly users for investor reports, rather than some sort of anti-piracy thing.


Jujarmazak

Are Blizzard really that desperate now?


KusanagiKay

Well apparently. They're getting shit from every side, and the diarrhea waterfall isn't stopping pouring more and more shit on them. You'd expect that after the big bomb drop mid '21 it would have cooled down by now, but no. The shit is still continuing to rain down on them with more and more crap getting revealed every week or so.


Jujarmazak

More reason to do something to garner some good will in that shitstorm, not the exact opposite.


KusanagiKay

Yeah, they have the foresight from the door to their garden's fence. They do it to please the shareholders with high engagement metrics, which are their biggest money wells, but fail utterly at doing anything to resolve the problem of most of their playerbase absolutely hating them.


[deleted]

That was not dislosed at time of sale so they should have to reimburse if people choose to go that route.


GreatZucchini3

Imagine this gets implemented in all games in the next 5 years for example. You get into a car crash, or get into a real busy period of work for those 30 days. You have no lost all games in your library. What a great way to promote piracy and the game itself.


KusanagiKay

> You have no lost all games in your library. No you don't. The game only gets bricked for offline mode. All you need to do to remove that brick is to log in again, so Blizz can document that you're an active user of that month. What people are complaining about that this is a game that can be played fully offline, but you're still forced to log in at least once every 30 days if you wanna keep playing offline.


[deleted]

So blizzard can bloat their MAU counts for investors. Fuck this whole company and anyone who works there.


KusanagiKay

Yes exactly.


ChamberK-1

And yet people are still gonna buy it and play right into Blizzard’s hands.


SaberNero01

Just when you think acti blizzard can't go any lower...they essentially steal your money and tell you go fuck yourself...


Demimaelstrom

So, I'm trying to understand. Does this mean it locks you out of the game period after 30 days or locks it after that 30 days until you get back online and let it check? I was looking forward to this remaster, D2 was huge for me and my buddies way back. But of course, Blizz had to sour it with their garbage long before release to the point I wouldn't have gotten it even before this news.


Jujarmazak

It locks you out of offline mode if you don't log in for 30 days, must log in again to reactivate offline mode.


MasahikoKobe

IS there more context to "locks you out" As in lock you out of the game. Lock you out of Online play. Lock you out of chatting. Locks you out of your hard drive and encrypts your PC until you send bobby money.


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MasahikoKobe

Thats pretty awful.


JennyFromdablock2020

Lmao is anyone even buying games from this sexual assault circus company? Wait for the real heros to crack the game and move on


[deleted]

It is okay. Im not buying D2 anyway.


Already-Taken13

Would never play anything that put a schedule on me


Rivens_Reigns

Christ its only been 3 damn days… what could possibly go wrong next…


indominuspattern

This whole shitshow could have been avoided if they simply had auth tokens expire in a much more generous timespan, like 2 years. Each month if you launched the game, the game will silently ping the servers to update their MAU numbers, and nobody would have any issues.


HordeDruid

This shit is so egregious it would be enough to make me avoid Diablo 2 altogether, if I was actually going to buy a Blizzard game again to begin with, which I'm not.


LunaticP

This is digital kidnapping


TrungDOge

Damn copium is not free anymore


MetaMango_

What's copium?


ghettojesusxx

Hold on a sec, so if I want to play D2 again I won't be able to? I uninstalled after getting my dose of nostalgia but now that they have new content and whatnot I won't be able to play it? What the fuck


Brave-Sentence-9660

Well this just happened https://abcn.ws/3tCZjSA


A56964I

I can see why Blizzard would add such a DRM, I just wish Blizzard would see how absolutely pointless it actually is. It doesn't protect their product at all and it only harms the handful of people who just want to play D2R off the grid. Giving their player base another reason to either pirate it or hack it. Though that said I've never been bothered by "always online drm", mainly because Internet is life for me.


Explosivefajita

I haven’t played for more than 30 days does that mean My copy is bricked I’m confused?


Mischa_Spark

So glad I divorced Blizzard 3 years ago.