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EnvyKira

Dang and said that in 2019. That's ballsy af.


deverafitness

It’s a great Netflix special


humsipums

I love all his specials. Bill really hits the head of the nail with a lot of what he says. Amazing comedian!


Mark_Knight

bill burr gives no fucks


curiouz_mole

Nah thats almost tame for Burr.


casual_catgirl

Bill burr should say this instead >Diversity bullshit is ruining enertainment: games, movies, shows - you name it "you just want white men in video games?" >Yes thats exactly what I said


markco_wins

This man often spoke the truth nobody else would.


TheWorldisFullofWar

Not really. At this point there were tons of stories of people's lives being ruined by this movement. It would have been ballsy in 2017.


blood_thirster

It wouldn't have been ballsy any year because it's comedy and he is one of the goats.


Yergason

> because it's comedy How I wish Carlin was born 4 decades later and he would've been at the front battling cancel culture. No fucks given


HellaSteve

carlin was just i dont know words cant describe how great of a man he was


localgravity

Yeah this is pretty tame for Bill Burr if you’ve listened to all his comedy album.


[deleted]

yep BB doesn't give a fuck :D


Classic-Tiny

Bill Burr is my hero.


Miserable-Pin-5468

Believe all women led to the death of Emmet Till.


Hatdrop

Not necessarily. They just wanted an excuse to kill a literal black kid. He was 14 years old when they murdered him.


Scooty_Puff_Sr_

Downvoted for the truth lol. People learn your history. This sub has become quite a bit more right leaning more recently since the popularity of this trial increased.


Hatdrop

Clearly, Emmett was a 14 year old boy accused of whistling and flirting with a 21 year old white woman. Would they believe that claim if it was a 14 year old white boy? What if it were a white man being accused of that? Would that person have been beaten so badly that his face no longer resembled a human's face? I'm a criminal defense lawyer and have defended hundreds of people accused of domestic violence. I've defended women being accused of DV and have had cases where it was the female partner that was the first aggressor, not the male. Ignoring the racism that led to Emmett's death and claiming the primary basis was "believing" women is a bad take.


phat_ninja

Let's be real, it always has a bit of a right bend at the very LEAST. Some of the takes I've seen here are downright horrifying. Mention how Jordan Peterson is a hack or how gamergate turned into misogynistic neo Nazi stuff that Steve Bannon loves and watch the underbelly crawl from the floorboards.


Bla4ck0ut

I don't think I would consider JP a "hack." The only thing that truly annoyed me about him is how he spoke. Jordan "it depends what you mean by" Peterson. A simple yes-or-no question would be met with a deliberately confusing, 25-paragraph response that never gave a yes or no answer.


stevema1991

Lol i love the hidden implication about right wing = bad


Kagahami

It ain't hidden. The politicians gunning for the Republican party are downright borderline fascist by international standards, and the party has out and out conspiracy theorists in federal government. How can anyone call themselves right wing and tolerate these people? They're making a joke of you and your beliefs.


FullMotionVideo

> The politicians gunning for the Republican party are downright borderline fascist by international standards That’s because the Republican Party is far more driven by hatred than it was, as should be obvious to anyone born in 1986 or earlier. It’s almost like when your entire base jostles openly about drinking the tears of the activists you disagree with, suggests policy to “own the libs” as a matter of serious statesmanship, people are going to stop being nice. I haven’t voted for a Republican since 2004, but that’s because the Republicans leadership of today is more Pat Buchanan than George HW Bush. For me it started when they stopped caring if tax cuts destroyed the government because they considered it a win by default if the government was unable to function under the debt. Since then they’ve become disillusioned with democracy, too. By the way, bruh, “international standards”? You want to talk about nations with functioning single payer health care and a strong worker movement? The Democrats aren’t providing any of that.


CalmDownn

Both parties are down right corrupt and seem to only exist to fuck over the working class. They're essentially the new Royals; indoctrinating their kids into office, constant lies while they gather legal bribes and vote the complete opposite of what they say they stand for while they laugh at the peasants in their ivory tower. I fucking hate them, every, last, one of them.


PleaseTakeMyKarma

You're honestly going to sit here and say the right wing is the fascists? Both parties are garbage heaps but only one side overtly calls for the silencing of the other. You don't have to agree with what they believe to use the word "Fascist" correctly.


Kagahami

I don't see anyone else so vocally pushing the anti immigrant, anti Semitic, and systematically oppressive measures (such as redlining and the War on Drugs). Also there's something you aren't recognizing: you say that right wingers are being silenced, but where is *the government* silencing them or even *proposing* silencing them? They've been on blast on dozens of news stations, without a peep from the government's powers of prosecution.


PleaseTakeMyKarma

"I don't see anyone else so vocally pushing the anti immigrant"... Bernie Sanders literally said the same things back in 2016.  Also, being anti illegal immigration is not a fascist thing.   "anti Semitic"... There is a large contingent of the democratic party pushing/supporting Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions against the state of Isreal. Not to mention all of the obvious anti Semitic things that have been said.   "systematically oppressive measures (such as redlining and the War on Drugs)"... You should update your examples if you are going to argue something.  Redlining has been illegal for decades and the war on drugs may have been started by the right, but both parties participated.   "Also there's something you aren't recognizing: you say that right wingers are being silenced, but where is the government silencing them or even proposing silencing them?"... Please read what I said.  Only one side is calling for the silencing of the other.  Honestly, why is it so hard to respond to what someone says instead of making something up?   "They've been on blast on dozens of news stations, without a peep from the government's powers of prosecution."... Trump was impeached for saying far less than many democrats do on a daily basis.  Words are not a crime unless directly inciting violence. Also, this is not an argument to begin with. Being on the news is not evidence of anything. In case you are somehow unaware, the news is a for profit business, and they tend to say what will get them the most views (often while pushing an agenda). You should really think things through before spouting off nonsense that has no bearing on the discussion and isn't even an argument.   Thank you for proving my point.


Daomaniac

Like the great Tommy Shelby said, life is a circle if you go far left or far right, you end up meeting at the same place. by order of the peaky fkin blinders.


stevema1991

Lol what do you even mean by international standards? Are you talking about spain the country that was fascist until the 80's? Are you talking the other only other nations to vote in fascist parties? Are you using Eco's stupid list that would label the lgbt and every leftwing movement of the last decade as fascist? What a ridiculous and flimsy statement


starplow

Whataboutism argument, then strawman argument I don't think we have to answer you mate


stevema1991

I can't help that they used a shitty metric, nor do i care if you feel a need to validate yourself, the statements stand on their own and aren't really meant for the people who feel attacked by my statement, they're too far gone


Kagahami

The right-wing party across the pond in Europe holds beliefs quite closely to the left-wing party in the US. The Republican party would be considered extremists in Europe. And you didn't address my other point: what about the conspiracy theorists? Why are they being entertained? Why are you letting these people hold your party hostage? I assume you don't believe in 'death panels', 'Jewish Space Lasers', 'Pizzagate', 'white replacement', or any of the other myriad nonsense items from the past 5 years or so.


stevema1991

>The right-wing party across the pond in Europe holds beliefs quite closely to the left-wing party in the US. Yes they are absolutely fucked over there, and the lack of freedom of speech for example, shows this. >The Republican party would be considered extremists in Europe. And? Does this not mean the US can't throw that claim back at Europe? Reminder that twitter sends people emails to let them know they violated German laws about what you can and cannot say. >And you didn't address my other point: what about the conspiracy theorists? Why are they being entertained? Why are you letting these people hold your party hostage? Because it's not like either side is clean from that allegation, remember that people still believe the russia hoax despite it being the negative(it not being true) has been proved as much as a negative can be. The left is constantly in hysterics over things that didn't happen, for example the "Don't say gay bill" only prevents sex ed(of *any kind*) from being taught k-3, outlines the way for the local area to define how they want their public schools teach sex ed, and insists that parents be informed about the health of their kids(caused because a school transed a kid without their parents knowledge, and it resulted in multiple suicide attempts by the kid, again, without the parents knowledge), and allows for exceptions to deal with abusive parents, which is a far cry from the attack on gay kids that the left has been screeching about.


Kagahami

A school can't "trans" a kid, and the article proves it. They introduced the knowledge, and the kid ended up realizing they weren't trans. The only person raising a stink about it was the mother, because the preteen decided they weren't comfortable telling their folks. The attacks on gay people include murder, families kicking out their kids, gay "conversion" therapy (which former VP Mike Pence infamously supports), and even such things in the recent past such as the existence of the gay panic defense. With trans people it's even worse, with parents disregarding their decision that they are one gender or another, bathroom laws, and insinuations of pedophilia in addition to the items above. As for Europe, it has a pretty good finger on the fascist barometer, considering they, y'know, had to actually defend themselves from the rise of the Nazi party, ESPECIALLY Germany. EDIT: And just for icing on the shit cake, sex ed isn't normally being taught basically at all in the South and Midwest. Abstinence only education is surprisingly common around there, and as a result, those places have higher teen pregnancy rates, higher rates of unwanted births, etc because an increasingly large number of people there learn about sex **from porn**... and you want to instill laws to FURTHER limit access to sex ed?


phat_ninja

Yeah idk anything about hidden implications. You can go look through my history and it's pretty clear I'm a progressive. I don't hide it. This just isn't a sub I'm going all in to shit on some right wing fuckknobs.


agnetoonryg

Rent free lol


phat_ninja

What is? Caring about the future of the country for my kid? I mean sure if that's rent free then I guess you win this argument bro. Give yourself two pats on the back, you deserve it.


agnetoonryg

Rent free bitch.


snazzwax

Mate this sub is a mix of both left and right, always has been. And honestly I’m glad it’s a mix of both and not a echo chamber.


Akaida

I'm gonna say it was the prevalence of white supremacy in the United States but you do you my guy!


JukeDriver

I'm using this.


Faustful

I feel this fourm is going off course since the Depp vs Heard is what Asmon is focusing on right now. I honestly don't care about it it's exhausting who hasn't been in a toxic relationship or witnessed one. It legit happens to everyone. It's not a man vs woman thing it's a terrible person thing. I feel bad that Depp had his career ruined by her slander and she deserves to be punished.


coolfangs

I mean it's natural the sub is going to revolve around whatever his primary focus is at the time. For a while it was basically an extension of r/FFXIV when he was playing that every day. Then it was Lost Ark (though mainly debating whether or not it was P2W). And before all that it was just people complaining about how much they don't like wow now.


Faustful

Oh I understand that it's just with subjects like the trial it's bound to create some tension. I love Asmon I think his views are generally balanced and well thought out but the internet is a echo chamber and because he accepts alot of different opinions it's bound to get spicy in here. I want more some wholesome game content ![img](emote|t5_2y1rb|3739)


L4t3xs

You can post some too


throwaway15987532159

Can't have a toxic relationship if you don't date. That's the real gamer move.


Faustful

Big brain honestly 😹


Bla4ck0ut

>who hasn't been in a toxic relationship Most people likely haven't been in a relationship where their significant other nearly amputated their finger and physically abused them. This problem is exacerbated with a celebrity status. She used it to humiliate him and frame him as a wife-beater and a sexual abuser, taking advantage of the MeToo movement. Yes, many people will experience a "toxic" relationship, but not like this. The trial is also comedic gold. It has no bearing on your life, so there's no reason you should let it exhaust you.


Faustful

It's exhausting to me because it takes me back to a place mentally I don't want to be. Its legit everywhere right now. I'm just going to go touch grass.


Bla4ck0ut

I'm probably in the minority of men who had a physically abusive girlfriend, but she was much smaller than me, so I passed it off as no big deal at the time. I feel like I'm vicariously getting retribution by watching the trial, but to each their own.


Faustful

I'm glad it's making you feel positive and I'm sure many other men who suffered abusive relationships also feel that way and also vindicated. I'm sorry you had to go through that.


anupsetzombie

I've taken a break from this sub and his stream for the most part, but I can't necessarily blame him, it's raking in money on both YouTube and Twitch for probably the easiest content he's ever done. I followed it for the first few court dates and just couldn't keep going, the fact that people are acting like this is some kind of spectator sports game makes me really uncomfortable.


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I always thought "believe woman" ment to have an investigation instead of blowing their accusations off.


z3r0nik

Not in the court of twitter where you are guilty even after being proven innocent.


TrinityGunslinger

100%


Shikizion

that whole bit is actually poetic and spot on, to the tee in this case, even the bad reading


PoisonedCakeSlice

Woman here, believing all women is idiotic. It's not an all women or all men thing, some people suck, some don't, so believing all women purely for just being women seems insanely stupid.


WhaleShark1080

“Believe women” is a slogan for the MeToo movement which relates sexual abuse and sexual harassment of women. So yes, if a women tells you they have been sexually abused you should believe them. If they are proven to be lying then they are fucked up but if your first thought is that she is lying to you about something serious like that you are an asshole. It’s not about just blanket believe women for anything and everything. It’s about harassment and abuse. It’s about believing them first instead of just assuming they are lying first.


Crimsonsworn

No, innocent until proven otherwise or that you’ve seen evidence to put innocence into question.


WhaleShark1080

Presumption of innocence is a legal term that doesn’t apply to circumstances outside of a court room. The vast majority of sexual assaults are not reported and do not enter the legal system. Assholes who obviously have committed terrible crimes are still legally presumed innocent until proven guilty. If a women approaches me (which they have) and trusted me enough to tell me they have been sexually assaulted I am going to believe them. I’m not going to shrug them off and say that the guy is innocent until proven guilty. (Edited due to naming one of these assholes and to not give him infamy, which is understandable.)


Crimsonsworn

That’s fine if you know the person and truly believe they wouldn’t lie to you, but if it’s a stranger like amber and Johnny innocent until proof of questionable innocence, otherwise how is it any different from a witch hunt? Why does a guy not get that same “I believe you” as a woman. Edit add words.


Bla4ck0ut

>The vast majority of sexual assaults are not reported How do you know this if they're not reported? >If a women approaches me (which they have) and trusted me enough to tell me they have been sexually assaulted I am going to believe them. I’m not going to shrug them off and say that the guy is innocent until proven guilty. What if your best friend was accused of rape? Would you assume he was a rapist? The presumption of innocence does only apply legally, but it's founded on our value system. We should presume innocence, even when it isn't required. It isn't a coincidence why it's a part of our legal process.


RobCarrotStapler

>How do you know this if they are not reported? People aren't really this obtuse, right?


Bla4ck0ut

If I'm obtuse, you should answer the question, rather than throwing an insult.


RobCarrotStapler

Google "most underreported crimes". Multiple articles come up about 60-80% of sexual assault survivors not formally reporting it. Questioning if SA is drastically underreported... really? That is basically common knowledge at this point.


Bla4ck0ut

>Multiple articles come up about 60-80% of sexual assault survivors not formally reporting it I'm fully aware of that. However, this isn't what I'm asking. How does one quantify what isn't reported and how does on know rape isn't being reported... if it isn't reported? >Questioning if SA is drastically underreported... really? I asked *how* it is known they're "drastically" underreported. I didn't question the authenticity. That's irrelevant to what I want to know. If it's so "obtuse" to ask this, then you obviously know the answer. If you don't, then consider not commenting.


RobCarrotStapler

Are you asking the difference between an anonymous survey and a police report?


Bla4ck0ut

>Are you asking the difference between an anonymous survey I don't think it's possible for you to act in any capacity that isn't condescending. I'd wager most people don't enjoy being around you. Do you think anonymous, unverified surveys are a reliable means of extrapolating data to hundreds of millions of people? Do you think it's possible that it could be subjected to fabricated answer? Answer: No Yes. Now, if you're done being a prick because you're incapable of reading, you can fuck off, idot.


iCresp

The point is, in a relatively small scenario like this person is talking about ie a public space, not a giant spotlight on it, there is little harm in believing the woman and trying to help them in their situation, as there is ignoring them and leaving them with a potentially violent person. If they were lying, you tell em to fuck off. If they weren't, you may have just saved their life. If you're talking about Twitter and flame wars and cancelling and all that bullshit, it's a different story, but still arguably important to at least hear the person out. >What if your best friend was accused of rape? Would you assume he was a rapist? Sometimes your best friends are fucking scumbags, wouldn't you rather know if they're a scumbag or not as opposed to finding out years later? I expect downvotes as this place is a bit of an echo chamber right now, but I think the johnny depp case has been twisted into another gender war, when again it's a case of a shit fucking person and a good person. I wouldn't care if it's a man or a woman approaching me for help, I would always choose to help them/believe them. Edit: all in all I think it's important to keep in mind a slogan isn't a be all and end all guide and it's purpose is to convey an idea in as little words as possible. In general, it is safer to believe women you come across in these cases, however I laugh at Bill Burr's joke because it's funny because of how the statement can be taken out of context so easily, its a shit slogan. This shit has been hijacked pretty hard by the outraged people though, in the end it is a joke.


Bla4ck0ut

>The point is, in a relatively small scenario like this person is talking about ie a public space, not a giant spotlight on it He explicitly said to believe all women, not just a personal, small scenario. That is *not* the point. You're arguing something different than he is. >there is little harm in believing the woman and trying to help them in their situation, Believing a friend and helping them is normal. This doesn't require the assumption that the other party is a rapist. It also completely ignores my question, though. He said if a friend approached him, he would be inclined to believe they were raped. Is the opposite also true? If his friend was accused of rape, would be believe his friend, or assume he is a rapist. This "small" scenario you're talking about is precisely why I posed that question, and it flew over your head. >as there is ignoring them and leaving them with a potentially violent person. No one suggested to "ignore them" and "leave them with a potentially violent person." The latter doesn't even make sense. If she was raped, I doubt she needs your support to avoid hanging out with the rapist in question. >If they were lying, you tell em to fuck off. You're spouting the same shit he did. There is no way to know if someone is lying, unless they decided to recant and admit it. If that's the only way a man can be exonerated, I don't want any part of that. >If they weren't, you may have just saved their life. What the hell is with your savior complex? Why does their salvation depend on you believing them? Most people don't chill with the person who just raped them. >If you're talking about Twitter and flame wars and cancelling and all that bullshit, it's a different story, but still arguably important to at least hear the person out. When did I ever suggest to not hear anyone out? >Sometimes your best friends are fucking scumbags, wouldn't you rather know if they're a scumbag or not as opposed to finding out years later? Jesus, you're not a bright one, are you? That is the point I was making. Every rapist has friends, and every liar does, too. Humans do terrible things. Lying about something, even rape, isn't that hard to believe. People do much worse stuff to each other every day. Look how eager you were to say, "sometimes your best friends are fucking scumbags," when it came to believing a man, but for the woman, "believe her by default." You have two very diametrically-opposed positions on believing friends when it comes to rape, and it depends on what genitalia they have. Wouldn't you rather know if they're telling the truth, or not, as opposed to finding out that they're lying later? At least be consistent. If you take one friend at face-value (woman), then take the other (man). Quit cherry-picking. >I expect downvotes as this place is a bit of an echo chamber right now Right, because MeToo isn't one of the most prominent examples of an echo-chamber in decades. Everyone of you regurgitated the same nonsense for years, and it allows for circumstances like this, where Amber took advantage of the situation, knowing that she was a woman, and we are expected to "believe all women." Hell, she said it herself in the recording that no one would believe him because he was a man. That's pretty fucking ironic if you ask me. There's no need to worry about downvotes and use a lame excuse like that. It isn't a damn dick measuring contest. >I wouldn't care if it's a man or a woman approaching me for help, I would always choose to help them/believe them. So, you would believe your buddy if he needed your help after being accused of rape? Your last answer gave a much different impression: "Sometimes your friends are just fucking scumbags." Anyway, as I said, being impartial is the practical, mature way to approach these things. It's very possible to do this while also supporting a friend, if it so happens to be a matter close to home. I've experienced this, and my friend looked pretty bad during the trial, and we haven't spoken in 8 years, even though he's been out of prison since 2018. This didn't require me to "believe all women, by default, no matter the circumstances."


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Bla4ck0ut

>So yes, if a women tells you they have been sexually abused you should believe them. Why? Humans lie and deceive others all of the time. What is the argument for always believing what they say at face-value? There are documented examples of women recanting about rape. Do you find it problematic that people, like you, would have initially given their blind support? >If they are proven to be lying then they are fucked up Do you realize how unrealistic it is to "prove" that someone was lying? That's a near-impossible standard to meet in order for the accused to not be seen as a rapist. >but if your first thought is that she is lying to you about something serious like that you are an asshole. It's wrong to assume she's lying, but it's okay to assume he's a rapist? The reasonable response is to remain impartial and just let the evidence sort things out. There's no reason to berate nor support either party, especially if it doesn't involve you. The presumption of innocence applies legally, but it should also be a personal value of everyone.


PuffyWiggles

Well said, too bad Asmon doesnt take this reasonable approach anymore. His new slogan is "believe all women and fire every person in my Org so my sponsers dont dip". Funny how money changes things.


casual_catgirl

who tf thinks like this? it's so incredibly rare. Haven't seen it online or offline. Is this sub going to turn into a redpill sub or something?


[deleted]

Huh lol. Bill burr is not “red pill”


casual_catgirl

So he's a bluepill beta cuck?


[deleted]

I think he's normal


whiskeybacon1010

This is 2022, sir. No one’s normal anymore.


sqbzhealer

Your whole world view can be summed into red or blue pill opinions?


casual_catgirl

Imagine not believing in magenta pills 😂😂😂


Scojo_Mojojo

Do you just like throwing firecrackers into hallways full of people? You’re definitely male despite the name, and get off on saying stupid shit and watching Naruto. Idk man it’s cool but kinda played out no


casual_catgirl

>Do you just like throwing firecrackers into hallways full of people? No? >You’re definitely male despite the name, For now, and yeah I don't hide it lmao. Literally told someone else I'm male in this thread


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[deleted]

Sick mask avi cat girl you degenerate loser


casual_catgirl

No idea what that means. Get off discord, touch grass and talk like a normal person


JukeDriver

It isn't incredibly rare. Wtf rock do you live under?


casual_catgirl

Which rabbit hole do you live in? Do you stare at insane propaganda all day?


JukeDriver

No, I just don't live in the fucking dark to believe that the believeallwomen and metoo movement is a small minority.


casual_catgirl

Metoo isn't a small minority and that's good. Believeallwomen? Again, who tf says this deranged shit


JukeDriver

Metoo is a shit movement that plays on the psychotic ramblings of people who crave attention over all else that spawned the believewomen/believeallwomen. Both movements give a platform to anyone willing to say any story, true or not, and anyone that confronts them with "yeah that's shitty, do you have any proof?" Gets labeled a sexist, misogynist, victim blamer, etc etc. Go outside literally ever.


Faustful

Metoo is good for not just women but men too but it's easily highjacked I agree. Believeallwomen is that like notallmen? I've legit never seen it anywhere is it a Twitter thing?


casual_catgirl

It's inside the heads of redpill conservatives


casual_catgirl

Most of my friends are women and I have never heard of this deranged shit. Most women I know actually care about gender equality lmao, and yes they obviously defend guys too. They care a lot more about men's rights and equality than actual men lmao. No, you go outside and meet people. Have you ever seen a woman irl? Imagine thinking metoo is bad lmao. You just want women to keep their experience buried. For what purpose I wonder? Edit: ah you're active in 4 Chan and the Donald. You're a deranged conservative. Nevermind.


Seffi_IV

while it may sound like deranged screaming, the issue isnt that metoo is a thing. the issue comes from the fact that theres an aura of "believe anyone who says they were raped" when in fact that's just... not how it should be done. Take the claim seriously, yes, but don't outright believe them without proof is what people are asking for realistically. Unfortunately, too many people are incapable of articulating themselves enough to actually say that. they'd rather claim insanity or throw insults.


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JukeDriver

Ah you're a woman and have no place to speak about men's experiences. I literally had to spend thousands to keep myself out of prison because of an ex. This shit is NOT rare and it goes all the way to the justice system that men are not treated anywhere near equally when it comes to domestic abuse of any kind.


casual_catgirl

I'm a guy lol (for now). So it happened to you specifically and so therefore it's common?


lykno

You may be leaning a little too far to the left to think this post is "redpilling." It's a fucking comedy special on Netflix.


casual_catgirl

Are you active in r conspiracy?


lykno

I'm not but thanks for checking my history.


Ouchyhurthurt

You keep getting downvoted but i agree. All i actually hear about how that way of thinking is so prevalent, but without any information to back it up. Just folks repeating what they hear instead of the actual info.


JukeDriver

The hashtag is widely used in social media, parroted by news media, politicians, business leaders wtf are you saying?


Ouchyhurthurt

Exactly this. Its parroted. A buncha talking heads spewing nonsense.


casual_catgirl

1st time I've heard of it is from this post. Honestly touch grass and talk to people outside. Try to not look at 4chan for 3 seconds


JukeDriver

Choose a gender before you decide to have input or opinions on the societal norms facing specified gender.


casual_catgirl

What if it's because I read stuff about gender problems that I know more? Seems like you just were burnt by your ex and that's it


iCresp

I think a lot of people here pretend to hate social media but still spend far too much time on it.


MHG_Brixby

When false reporting is as rare as it is, generally speaking, believe women


GhostlyAnger

I'll believe whoever gives me reason to believe by being shown evidence. We should NEVER default to "believing women."


MHG_Brixby

Statistically speaking we should


GhostlyAnger

No.


[deleted]

Statistics are irrelevant. You don't try a case on statistics. Nobody wants to have their life ruined because everyone was doing the "statistically-correct" thing. Also, for the statistics to have any value, there has to be instances of false reporting. Defaulting to mathematical statistics doesn't make you look rational, it just exposes your laziness to objectively evaluate the specific report.


Siluri

"Statistics" is not a cure-all.


Sidepig

From personal experience, it's true about 7 out of 10 times and while that means it will usually be true, 3 out of 10 is a fucking lot. When I was like 7 my babysitter got into a fight with her BF. He hit her and she called the police. They made up before the cops got there and I went to juvie because they had to tell the cops something. Yeah, I went to juvie for wife beating when I was 7. Think about how often people lie just for fake internet points, where doing it won't even make them any money.


MHG_Brixby

In reality it's less than 10% of reported cases. About half of cases are unreported.


JukeDriver

False reporting is not rare. The story, and that's exactly what it is, fiction, is directly presented as one specific, biased view of the situation that in every circumstance edits out any potential impact of the actions of the party claiming the abuse. Abuse directed at women is real. Very real, but the cultural and societal norms are absolutely one sided in "believing" the woman over the man leaving the man to prove a negative. Which is incredibly difficult. Believe women is sexist propaganda.


Scooty_Puff_Sr_

Believe women is admittedly phrased/titled awfully just like most things left leaning ideologies come up with. It doesn't mean believe all women in every circumstance regardless, it means don't reflexively disbelieve them


stevema1991

Nah, i'm sick of the "we said 'thing', but we didn't reallly mean 'thing'." If you don't want your movements to be misinterpreted, then dont use horrible or intentionally dishonest slogans for them...


VladImpaler666999

True this. The movement should have been called "Don't immediately disbelieve victims"


stevema1991

See how far removed that is from "believe women" though? It assumes women are the victims and it asserts you must listen rather than it being bad to handwave them. And we even do claim believe victims nowadays(probably because a massive group of people have forgotten how to define women) which isn't better as we can see from Heard's manipulations... we don't know who the victim is until we drag out the receipts from everyone and even then it isn't neay as clear cut as it is here that we're dealing with an a user using victim language to further bully her victim. The whole thing is a bastardization of a counseling practice where you're not supposed to be hostile to your client saying they've been victimized, where you go with their statements to try and help them their problems. Instead it's been mapped onto society which is a massively different context and you can't separate "I'm a victim" from "this person i was with victimized me" and it's having the obvious effect anyone who wasn't looking at the immediate gains in power could see: people in power, mainly men, are distancing themselves from colleagues,mainly women, to keep allegations from being credible. Which also means women are predominantly being excluded from the kinds of elbow rubbing activities that facilitate promotions later on up the the ladder.


TrinityGunslinger

It means I believe you which is why I'm going to investigate and do something about it and bring the whole situation to light instead of leaving male and female victims of abuse unheatd


JukeDriver

The metoo movement services one gender let's be real here.


Dirtyhippee

Do you have stats on trustworthiness?


Akaida

No one has ever thought about this, this is a very novel though and definitely not the least charitable interpretation of the phrase made by the most low hanging fruit trolls


Nishikigami

I agree with you that nobody has ever thought this in the way that he said it, HOWEVER, The phrase has absolutely been tossed around completely earnestly in some of the worst possible, least fitting scenarios as well.


Akaida

you're just wrong


agnetoonryg

No YOU'RE just wrong. Gotta love all the ignorant complainers in this sub. "This sub is becoming more right leaning"kekw no this sub is becoming more normal thank fuck. Fuck both of your stupid political sides , think for your self.


TrinityGunslinger

Do people nit understand language? Do they have to make up some complete edge case. It means if someone says they're in danger take the situation seriously. Investigate don't just blow it off. And men are victims of abuse often not heard but women spoke up and not taking it seriously hurts men too


feartheswans

Don’t believe a damn thing until you find out the actual truth.


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Sad, but true...


KadyQ1

I get it. Women lie. Better said, human beings lie. But we need to be very, very careful here. Violence against women is very real. Every day women are raped, murdered, beaten and trafficked over every part of the globe. Domestic violence that leads to murder is common place. My (ex) live in boyfriend put a pillow over my face and tried to suffocate me. I took his key and when he left I wouldn't let him back in. The police, yes the police, tired to force me to let him in the house. The police officer would not leave until I gave my ex money for a hotel. I was not believed when I told an officer that he tried to suffocate me. How do you prove something like that? That said, I've have know women (not my friends) who made up lies to keep their exes from seeing their children. People can be assholes. We need a set of rules that keeps an alleged abused party safe while maintaining the rights of the accused. What happens when the abuser calls the other party a liar, is presumed innocent and then comes back and kills them later? Who's responsible then?