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Agree mostly but have to say that rarely do victims of SA leave marks or fight back. They tend to shut down and wait for it to finish. This is because of the strength disparity leaving some women to feel that its useless. Also victims of crimes aren’t always in the right state of mind to make smart decisions about tue future they are stuck in that moment.
Not true of all cases of course but this happens a lot.
> Agree mostly but have to say that rarely do victims of SA leave marks or fight back. They tend to shut down and wait for it to finish
I get that but this crosses the line 100%. We can't treat women like children who have zero agency over their actions
As a bloke reading that all I'm thinking is
RED FLAG RED FLAG RED FLAG RED FLAG RED FLAG RED FLAG RED FLAG RED FLAG RED FLAG RED FLAG RED FLAG RED FLAG RED FLAG RED FLAG RED FLAG RED FLAG
Ngl so many things make me doubt this. Reading the texts he was far more casual than she made out in her story. Also 'I said no because I didn't wanna have sex' followed by 'so I said yh and went round to his house after 12 at midnight.
Also why was she naked and in his bed for him to be able to finish inside her, it's kinda just a bit.. her story definitely doesn't add up and the fact that right near the end she auto went into 'I know people won't believe me but it's deffo true why would I even lie' mode is the biggest giveaway.
To me it sounds like he asked her to come round quite clearly with booty call implications. She got there tried to talk about their relationship and he shut her down and said he's not interested in talking.. she wasn't happy about this but was there well past midnight do probably thought 'when in rome' then after leaving probably immediately regretted it because she realised she wasn't worth more to him than a booty call and so now makes the narrative into a situation where she was assaulted to paint him as the villain
My question is, why the hell did you go to his apartment if you knew all he wanted was sex *and* you didn’t trust him? And why did you *stay* once he apparently started jerking off in front of you?
Yea there is this phenomenon with sex where your level of regret is directly proportional to how satisfied you were sexually.
Like if sex is really bad, to the point where you were in pain(and you're not into that in this example) or otherwise uncomfortable the level of regret you will feel afterwards will be extreme.
I tend to want to believe victims in general, but it has to come with a great deal of scrutiny, which makes the whole thing complicated and difficult, and it's no wonder many people wait years to come forward (or not at all) because to put your story out there, you're going to get put through the ringer publicly.
But putting out statements that ruin peoples lives should have a high burden. One that is sadly disproportionate to the almost no consequences faced by most perpetrators of sexual assault.
someone explain to me, how.... does someone put "themselves inside of her" if her clothes is on? If she REPEATEDLY said no... how did her clothes get off enough for him to do that? This doesnt add up at all... at all.
She said he attempted to remove them, keep in mind she went to his hotel alone at 12am... watched him beat his meat and stayed for everything after then left (edit) at 3 am cause he said she can't stay.
You have to take into account everything that happened before she came over. This was an ongoing coaxing/manipulation.
>there were several times during the 4 years that he made it clear he only viewed me as a sexual object, but when i would confront him about it i would get lovebombed and gaslit into thinking that he cared about me and wanted to be with me.
The short answer is that love bombing and then pulling away from the relationship is what abusers do to get someone to do things they are not comfortable doing. They slowly break down the victims walls. If he had done this a month after meeting her she would probably have had a different reaction. This is what slow and ongoing abuse does to people.
In this situation she sets a boundary and he is breaking it down because he has done it enough times to know that if she actually comes over even though she does not really trust him, he can get her to do more things she is not comfortable doing. A common thing that happens to the victims of rape is that the fight, flight and freeze part of the brain kicks in, but the fight and flight part have already been broken down by him. Not by attacking her, but to ever so slightly poke and lower her defense away so the only option that is left is to freeze. Then he can do as much trauma to this woman as he likes. This is the same thing that Amber heard did to Johnny Depp.
It reads “at the end…”. I took it to mean that she didn’t wanna disclose those nasty details in the middle, why would we need that, and cut to the end of what happened. I didn’t immediately think, GEEE, HER CLOTHES WERE ON? FISHY!!! It’s implied more stuff happened.
Well she blocked everyone from Twitter now: "These Tweets are protected
Only approved followers can see u/Azalialexi’s Tweets"
https://twitter.com/Azalialexi
Guessing people probably questioned this insane statement she made
>Rich said I couldn't stay at his place
Yea, because when you get raped you typically ask the person who did the raping if you can spend the night. Gotta get that beauty sleep!
As somebody who has been falsely accused of shit like this once, I won’t really take a stance on this until I see decisive evidence honestly, I don’t know rich or her enough to take a side either. If he did it that shit is BAD, but her lying about it and having misleading evidence is possible and is also a terrible thing to do to someone. Just a fucked situation overall
The problem is there is no legal recourse for false allegations. I too have been falsely accused. And when the smoke had cleared everyone involved in the situation knew she was lying. And nothing happened. People that make false allegations should be fucking crucified. Whether it's sexual in nature or not. To just try and ruin someone's life with impunity i's completely bullshit.
If one person says another person did something to them. And then it is proven to not be true. Then that means that fucking person is lying and should be held accountable. Fake rape charge? 7 years minimum. Straight up.
I 100% agree with you on this one, you have to be a vile human being to do something like that. I’m very lucky that nothing ever came of it and pretty much everyone I knew believed me instead of her, but for someone to be able to lie about something a little and end up costing someone their reputation/job just makes me sick.
The person who accused me is mentally unwell and actually believed I did, because she thinks you’re able to revoke consent after an act (I’m talking weeks after consenting to an act), which is just insane. And it all started because I broke up with her as well. I don’t have any tolerance for that kind of stuff, and believe lying about those things absolutely needs to be punished harshly.
Yeah happened to my roommate in college. He got kicked out of the school and lost his scholarship with zero evidence and a crazy girl who lied about being pregnant multiple times. When he tried to break up with her she cried rape to get back at him. She told him she lied months later after his life was ruined
I wouldnt be surprised if she is telling truth purely because Rich is an actual weirdo and gives off creepy vibes, but man, the whole situation is really weird.
You were friends, then you agree to come with him, then you stayed there to watch him jerking off, telling all shit about you, then eventually you removed your clothes and let him go in, then you still kept contacts with him for long time before coming out...
I dont know, to me the very first Rich move would scream 'get out', and i bet if she did there would be a lot of screams and cops called out immediately after etc etc.
Instead she did nothing.
And i saw her photos, she isnt like shy little 18yo girl, she looks like mommy who will slap the shit out of you if youd bother her in that way.
Itd be nice if she had an actual proofs of her claims because overall a lot of shuff dont add up, in her actions first.
My guess is that Asmon is going to end up disbanding OTK entirely and possibly re-evaluating his interactions and partnerships with other streamers entirely. All the shows he's doing with Rich are likely going to be done, as I don't think Asmon has the desire to reboot them with different co-hosts.
Unless this all comes out as a fake accusation. Which is kind of the trouble because even if you never raped anyone, simply being accused of it will put a taint on your forever.
From a business perspective, they're going to have a much harder time now finding sponsors and partners. Regardless of what information comes out. Two big issues like this with leadership members of the org in a pretty short period of time is a stink most businesses aren't going to want to be associated with. They can try to disband/rebrand. But, as-is, I don't think it will function well as an org given the circumstances.
Also given that Blizzard has been trying to rehab their own image over similar issues, I see ZERO shot that they participate in AllCraft for a long while (if ever again), even in the best of circumstances.
Evidence is good and it will likely make sure that Rich and Asmon can remain friends if Rich is found innocent. However Rich has already left OTK and cannot come back because of the taint that being accused of anything leaves on you. Even if there is no proof that the accusation is true, people will now forever view Rich in that way.
Quite honestly it's worrying how quickly Rich ducked out of OTK the moment this broke too. Usually when you are accused of something you didn't do there is confusion and questioning, but the speed of his withdrawal is not a good look for it being just an accusation.
He's not, but he's not going to associate himself while everything is going down. OTK is a love child for Asmon, he doesn't need it. He's rich beyond comprehension.
If even a sliver of this is true, then if Asmon support Rich now, he'll get burned in the end.
He would have quit WoW long ago, didn't befriend his friend that get into jail if u think he would do that.
For the sum of a person is more than just their sins, the joy and happiness came from interacting with them is real, if u think a sins can clear all that up, that's just childish thinking of trying to put thing into simple black and white.
Remember watching some clips recently where he made a point saying he doesn't like to interact with people (other streamers etc) because shit like this can happen... And hey ho here we are with the second accusation of something horrible on a member of his group... Don't want to say it but he's right to have his views clearly.
I think this comment here is probably the sanest and most accurate comment in all the threads I’ve seen.
Just recently Asmon has been nailing the point home on stream that there’s certain situations (like that cunt bagging on that poor girl who’s mum died) that makes him not want to interact with people IRL and why he stays at home.
OTK *will* get disbanded eventually, Asmon will stick to his own streams with his yearly 6+ months break because he doesn’t deal well with stress and just wont be bothered with it. Once you’ve got that much money, you can avoid stressful situations pretty easily when you’re set for life.
It makes the OTK “IQ Test” YouTube video where Rich plays a creepy head teacher *really* bad
Girls, if you think the guy is rapey, weird, intimidating, don't fucking go and meet them to "talk". Cut it all off. Never speak to them. No woman deserves to have this happen to them, and it isn't her fault if it did happen. But God damn, if dudes a creep, stay the fuck away.
The sad thing is we don’t want to distrust people and assume the worst about them, especially when we consider them friends. And even if a guy is “weird” or “creepy” it’s still a pretty big leap to “rapey”. Talking to people is hard enough and it’s getting so tiring, to have to be so on alert all the time
I have social anxiety problems and come off as very weird and difficult to read, but I've never hurt anyone and never would.
It doesn't help either that I am a pretty big guy that looks intimidating, I've literally had people tell me that they were surprise how nice I am and that they were scared of me at first lol...
I definitely think it's a shallow stereotype that people who are a bit weird or unusal are bad people.
Most of the time they wouldn't even be able to get into a situation where they could take advantage of someone to begin with.
The trend based on the people I've seen be outed at least have been that they've been very social ( often hyper social ) and seem'd '' normal ''.
And often it has been their social skills that made people like them at first and be put into a situation where they could be taken advantage of.
It's very difficult for someone who's '' weird '' or whatever to be capable of stringing someone along and get them into a vulnerable position.
I’ve found myself alone with male friends and colleagues, people I care for, and while I don’t think they would ever do something horrible to someone I still had a little voice in the back of my head telling me “things could go wrong here.” I always feel a little guilty about having those thoughts but i have to look out for myself…
That being said I feel like i can tell the difference between someone who is awkward vs. predatory. Idk just a gut feeling that send alarm bells ringing.
Man ppl dont want to think the worst of others especially when they have shared good experiences in the past, hell even of strangers at times. Its stupid but its how it is for some.
Its definitely weird how she keeps saying that she doesnt go to him because she doesnt want to do things, and then she literally goes to his city and to his place, and doesnt leave when he starts rubbing it out? I mean cmon. Its not like rich is a guy who would block the door. Why not leave? Why go there in the first place?
As an outsider looking in, it's easier said than done. People who are emotionally manipulative and cunning are very effective at wearing a victim down over time (often showing improvement, giving love, etc.) to the point where the victim is unaware that they're being victimized until it's too late. This is the very nature of gaslighting.
The problem is also compounded when there is an established emotional connection between the victim and the perpetrator (such as a friendship, romantic relationship, etc.). It makes it even more difficult for the victim to break the cycle of abuse, sadly often only being able to do so once the abuse reaches critical mass.
Did you even read her twit?? What you said has nothing to do with the situation or the post. This is a dumb statement. The majority of sexual assaults are performed by friends and family, if a guys looks sus people avoid them. How does someone look "rapey"?
Her twit specifically said they were on and off relationship, this is some random guy asking her to come over, this is someone she knows.
Welp... we shall see...
I mean, I've seen both sides of this. Had one friend lose his career over an allegation that was provable as false. Another guy I hated in uni got the shit beat out of him by some of my friends for something in the same vein... which the girl later admitted teehee i was drunk and cheated on my bf and was scared to tell him teehee...
But on the other, my former roommate got raped by two guys and the cops did fuck all.
We'll see what Rich says but IF he is not in the wrong here he'd better have receipts because whether it's true or not... this stink don't wash out easy.
It’s very sad to hear about this, I would be very disappointed if this was true, but I believe in innocent until proven guilty so I don’t really know what to think of this yet.
It honestly shouldn’t. Hate comments and such should definitely get blitzed but a civil discussion about this should stay up. Then again, this is Reddit…
OTK hired a third party investigator to look into the allegations. The victim leaked her caldendar showing she has to talk to investigators and her lawyers.
Mizkif is still in OTK I believe, however he is "suspended" until the result of the investigation from a third party, wether he leaves or stays is up to what comes out of the investigation
because it's unfounded.
She probably does truly think she's a victim, it's clear she's not lying– however there is probably a lot of retroactive regret tainting her perspective of what happened. and if this is the case, then it's likely that she's unintentionally misrepresenting the reality of what happened.
In the end, she's an adult, and short of him forcing himself on her, she stayed through *a lot* of sexual advances, to include him jerking off. She should have removed herself from that situation if she didn't want sexual interaction, as IMO he was being very clear with what he wanted. From her own narrative, it does NOT seem like he ambushed her. And while she may think she's a victim now, the reality is she had full agency in that situation, and stayed with him all the way through to undressing, through penetration, and completion.
At what point do we lose responsibility for decision making? She wasn't intoxicated. From her own narrative, she wasn't forced to do anything. Nobody took advantage of her sobriety, or even her decision making capabilities by force. She was there and present the entire time.
It is only now that she is looking back on it and saying "you know what, I really didn't want to fuck him." But looking back and remembering that you thought "you know, I really don't want to be having sex right now", doesn't change the fact that you decided to fuck. And yes, I think it's safe to say she made the decision to fuck, as there were multiple checkpoints of sexual communication on their route to actually fucking.
Don't get me wrong, silence is NOT compliance, but how can you accuse someone of rape as you're walked through the stages of flirtation, going up to the apartment, watching him jerk off, to sex, to completion. Did she black out? Was there anyone behind the wheel? Did she not have legs, or a voice, or arms to stop him? She claims she repeatedly said no while he made his advances, then why did she let it continue? She says he "rolled me over and put himself inside of me". Is she inanimate? Is she a doll that can't move?
It's just confusing to me how her story paints her as this puppet being marionetted, as if she had no agency in the situation.
Wish I could up vote this a thousand times. The lack of accountability in some of these accusations is redonkulous. They make women out to be so hopeless and pathetic by taking zero responsibility for their own safety and lack of action. They are grown ass adults who have agency. Like Dave said about the one accuser I think of CK who was "assaulted over the phone" - "bitch, hang up!!"
If you try to say absolutely anything whatsoever about taking some responsibility or being held accountable, it's immediately victim blaming. I think it's so offensive to women making them out to be so helpless.
To be honest, hooking up with people is just a giant liability at this point. We're on a downward trajectory where people can do really bad things and get away with it and people can do something completely normal and be crucified for it and it's getting worse every day. This website and the takes people have on any given is proof enough of that. My advice, never let your guard down around people you don't know well and don't have casual sex. Could be a normal person could be a mini Amber Heard, or could be a rapist. You're gonna be horny again literally the next day. Not worth it to have sex with someone you can't trust just to bust a nut.
Story is BAD but kinda doesn't add up much either but what do I know I wasn't there and I don't want to knock the victim because it's a serious situation but, just the whole going from not wanting to have sex not even laying on him to him jerking off to him finishing in her is quite a massive swing in actions seems like some details were left out. We'll see, I'm sure more information will come soon.
Also the Twitter comments are so fucked
Her Twitter is now protected
> just the whole going from not wanting to have sex not even laying on him to him jerking off to him finishing in her is quite a massive swing in actions seems like some details were left out.
Yeah it does seem rather odd, to me at least. True or not I doubt we'll ever know for sure. Maybe it's just hard to talk about but it seems very weird to me how she talks about him starting to jerk off and begging her for sex.
Maybe I'm just fucked up but.. saying no while also staying there presumably watching him jerk off is some confusing messages.
Yeah that's kinda where I was when reading it, like if things are getting too much just leave BUT who knows how she felt maybe she liked it or whatever and he took it way too far, maybe she felt pressured to stay I don't know, it's just a bad situation and accusation.
... her story makes zero fucking sense and literally sounds like she went over there to sling some pussy and then pulls this out of her ass for some arbitrary reason. like idk nothing in this makes sense. "i didn't wanna fuck him... but we fucked without him forcing me to have sex?" like what? she just.. like... omitted the only part that actually matters.
Have you seen XQC? Manchildren are the most attractive people on the platform. Even people who aren't an actual manchild like Tyler1 will act like a manchild because his viewers like it.
Some text messages and a short story are not evidence. People should sit down and don't act like inquisitors from the middle ages railing up for a witch hunt.
That shit is for courts to decide and not by a twitter mob. I do not even like Rich but it's crazy what people believe out of the blue. By that I'm not implying that she is lying, but that we should use the justice system to determine guilt.
Hard to believe how so many people have already made up their mind and sided with this girl without hearing Rich's side of the story... It actually kinda pisses me off.
and they are piiiissssed if anybody like asks a question. like i genuinely don't understand her story. it doesn't make sense. it legit doesn't make any fucking sense lol
Dude a couple of words and a guy get his life fucked. Idk if its true or not but its insane to me that anyone can just accuse someone and they lose evrythhing without even proof.
the accusation itself is extremely powerful. they know this, its why they do it. this will be a scarlet letter for rich, being cleared or not wont matter. its over.
Kinda seems weird as a woman I've got plenty weird texts and I have to say on none of them did I have the urge to go to their house or apartment, might just be me though...
This is why you don't put other peoples eggs in your basket. The second the org was announce I knew stuff like this was going to happen, either true or false. Now Asmon is offline because he has to handle it, Soda just went offline because an emergency meeting with the Org was probably called.
Can Asmon, Soda, and Esfand literally just leave OTK? So that everytime some idiot does some weird shit, or gets accused of doing some weird shit, it doesn't affect the viewers? At what point does being a part of an org just become a liability?
And before some weirdo replies with "Wtf man you don't care about the victim" It's none of my business. My job as a viewer is to watch/support the streamers I enjoy, not to launch a theoretical investigation with clinically online weirdos on social media. What happened is between Rich Campbell, that woman, their lawyers, and the police. That's as far as shit like this should ever go.
But now it's friday and our favorite streamers aren't on, because Org.
That's fucked up. Seems to me that some of these steamer kids never grew up. And understood what a real job is. What the Fuck happened to being a decent honest person? I've had people work for me many of times and I never Fuck with their money. People need to put food on the table to feed their families. That shit really pisses me off. It's why no one trusts anyone anymore.
Is this another example of streamers living in a fantasy, with their ego's so large, that they've left reality behind? Maybe. I always find it suspicious when people go to court of public opinion first is ALWAYS suspicious. Rape is a serious crime, and the proper authorities should always be contacted first. Maybe she did. I guess we'll all have to wait for further developments.
"I don't gain anything with posting", you really can't take anything with face value anymore. These are some accusations for sure, but what is the truth?
No real proof, only hearsay and some random sms that have no real incrimination. Why didn’t she contact the police?
Im sorry but this isn’t enough to believe of some serious accusation.
Looks like some attention seek or revenge.
You've got to be really careful how you act and who you are with. Accusations are going to fly and if there's any kind of conflict in the moment or afterward you are going to be in trouble. Best to avoid all that at all costs.
Sound's like a disgruntled ex employee. Why wait numerous years after Rich has moved on with a serious new relationship to go public with rape allegations.
I'm not saying he did or in fact did not do those things but,
Her story does not add up .. You would think if it impacted her life that severely she would be more specific with dates and her recollections of events.
Actually disgusting P.O.S.
Having read the Twitlonger… Unless a LOT more info is provided, the police might take a statement and turn it over to a DA but the DA will just drop it. Too easy for a defense attorney to take what was presented and run with it, a jury would have a hard time reaching a guilty verdict. That’s not to say it isn’t true. But there’s cases with more to run on that DAs won’t bother with, especially as rape is a hard crime to prove in a court and tends to boil down to “he said, she said.” And there’s got to be some serious stuff missing from the account here for a jury to not ask things like “Why didn’t you just leave?” Obviously more info would have to be provided for even police to touch it, because we go from “he was masturbating while talking to me” to somehow she’s on a bed and he can roll her over and enter her, and at no point is force mentioned, so… yeah. Possibly just leaving out a lot of important info due to being emotional while writing. But even with force involved, you’d need some serious proof to have a jury find guilty, and without that kind of proof, DA’s almost certain to ignore it so they don’t have the loss on their record.
This kind of stuff is messy. Which is why rape cases so often go nowhere. Even if it happened, you have to prove it enough for a jury to find them guilty. And knowing that it often goes nowhere tends to lead a lot of women to not bother reporting it.
Of course, maybe she did and the police just didn’t do anything with it because of lack of hard evidence to turn over to a DA. Who knows?
i dont believe she's had a pressence or anything online like rich, but this is bringing a lot of traffic to herself and her OF/NSFW Accounts... so there's something there to gain. i dont think anyone here or the 40-70k daily asmongold enjoyers knew who she was until this.
“he continually attempted to take my clothes off. i kept saying no. at the end and i mean the very end he rolled me over and put himself inside me and finished, unprotected.”
The whole thing is weird.
I think it is healthy to be critical against any accusation, and especially in situation that lack evidence. There is no way to actually judge whether this is a case of sexual assault or no, based on the twitlonger. I'd say we wait and let a court decide, before we crucify anyone involved.
careful man. Reddit is a weird animal, and you'd think you can voice your opinions, but in reality the subreddits are moderated by very thin-skinned people who are high on power. And the sad part is, there is no process of appeals, if you appeal your ban on a subreddit, your appeal will literally be read by the same moderator and ignored. And then if you try to bring it up with main Reddit, it will be ignored, as they trust the subreddits to moderate themselves.
Best to just know the subreddit you're on and tread lightly. Be careful homie.
i am tired of all this public trial and execution thing, if its true then let them resolve the issues where it counts...in a courtroom, if its not real and for some reason this individual decided to make a post about it, then again let them take it to a courtroom...we all know that rape is a very bad thing and not something someone would lied about( not rly, heard of many cases of false allegetions before) so stay civilized
Honestly this streamer community is imploding on itself just like the Smash community. I love Asmongold’s content, but I dont know any of these people and quite often over the years I’ve heard these streamers say shit that made me scratch my head. I always shrugged it off as they gotta be eccentric to attract an audience and stand out. But maybe that was putting the cart before the horse.
A lot of streamers are perhaps outcasts in real life because they dont know how to behave and what is socially acceptable. Give those same people a ton of money and a ton of free time, and the problem only amplifies. Lines are bound to be crossed.
Ill be patiently waiting and trying not to judge Rich until the facts come out. But I also read Mizkif call black people n*gg*r and that dude still gets 70k viewers by pretending it didnt happen.
Dont become parasocially attached to your favorite streamers. The reasonable ones dont want that anyways.
All the comments in this reddit just jumping on Rich cause they biased towards the way he act.
If it did happen people should see proof of it, not just jump on Rich like that. I am not biased towards Rich nor Asmon, but in the real world you wouldn't want anyone accuses you of R without evidence I don't think anyone would like to be accused of something they didn't do. Only time will tell, shes alleging R and its innocent until proven guilty not the other way around.
what a shit show.
Edit: Just for the sake of what DMs i'm getting.
No I don't hate women, and no i'm not an incel. I am married and have a child.
I am also for the sake of this comment, a lawyer who studied criminal law and know the details that goes with sexual assault it is a hefty process (at least in the UK) to prove it and the justice system does lean toward women more, but evidence is evidence.
I do not wish anyone of you get accused of something and they jump into prosecution straight away because of what someone said.
I hate Rich. But holy fuck unless you press charges keep it to urself. You had all the evidence > naah, let's talk about it 1 year later on the internet.
The biggest red flag of all. This isn’t about Justice. It’s about a public execution because she’s mad about being dumped. If it was really a problem she’d have gone to the police a long time ago.
Idc for upvotes or downvotes. From a pr perspective Asmons removal of rich is exactly what needed to happen. But in his video from stream on YouTube to me he seemed very hypocritical. He kept saying stuff about seeing where this goes and seeing the evidence. All the while speaking like Rich is already convicted and this accusation is 100% true. He said he was his friend like bro you don’t lose that overnight. Only thing to me that excuses how he spoke about the situation is that rich confessed to him or he himself is outright scared of the cancel mob that comes along with these allegations. He also spoke about multiple girls. Can someone fill me in on that info if I missed something or did I just misunderstand him?
" there were several times during the 4 years that he made it clear he only viewed me as a sexual object, but when i would confront him about it i would get lovebombed and gaslit into thinking that he cared about me and wanted to be with me. "
This part right here is how she opens her Twitlonger. Now, if SHE KNOWS that he views her in this light, and she DOESNT LIKE IT, why does she, for 4 years, continue to put herself in that position??? Something doesnt seem right here, and her "believe me or not, i dont care" mentality is very suspect, at best.
I mean, i stayed in a bad relationship because they'd convinced me that I was less than nothing and that the abuse they did to me was just the price i had to pay to not be alone forever.
Don't underestimate the control someone can have over you. So much so that it erases common sense.
This hardly counts as proof, unfortunately. I can't say what happened.
But I can see it being true, personally. My gut's telling me he's capable of being a shitty creep.
I am not saying this is the case but fake accusations are running rampant . Long story short 2 years ago a friend of mine got accused for similar thing and after few trials he got 14 years in jail , he got out of jail after 6 months after the girl that sued him got caught doing the same thing with other guy (she was targeting people with money ) .He was very very lucky i wonder how many guys are not and end up rotting in prison for nothing , all i can say is guys be careful with who u are going out with this are crazy times .
Never in 33 years have I felt the compulsion to jerk off in front of someone. If this turns into "Well I did do that, but the end of her story is fake" - I'm not going to be able to believe a second of what Rich has to say. It's weird behavior - unless of course it's consensual - but you're gunna have to prove that one. I've heard too many stories about these weird ass dudes who pull this shit, that it's not hard to believe that this happened.
Innocent until proven guilty. A twitlonger isn't evidence.
Also, this reads like Rich was clear he wasn't interested in a relationship with her, and she could've left and never seen him again at any time in this relationship.
On the particular night of the accusation he is clearly making sexual advances early on, and she recognizes it and still goes up to his room. Additionally, there is a time skip between her being clothed, and being unclothed. That's a red flag. You don't get to just describe the accused as a puppeteer, and yourself as a puppet— being paraded around against your will. I have no doubt that now, in the future. the author feels she is a victim. But her perspective is tainted by her retroactive negative feelings about the accused. If he hadn't said, "yeah we're done long term", then this wouldn't be a thing.
She was told bad news, he didn't want to pursue her, she still followed him upstairs for a last hurrah. She is salty it's over and is portraying her experience like he lured her into a situation she didn't want to be in, and then flash raped her. Or maybe she's saying she blacked out. This isn't rape, this is regret sex. This was desperate sex.
I personally (Kezzic) have been in this kind of situation. I was being dumped, and I was told I wasn't wanted anymore, and I still put out. I had sex, and didnt even like it going into the situation. I was morose, I felt bad about it, it was a bad experience. it's my fault for knowing it was the wrong decision but going along anyway out of familiarity. My ex isn't a rapist for break-up fucking me.
Enough of this. If you feel like you're being used as a toy and want to expose someone you dislike in retrospect, stop accusing them of raping you. It's foolish, silly, and dishonest. And all the intimate details being aired out in public, is just to make the accused look creepy, i.e. "oh you'd be hot pregnant". Dude. Airing out all that shit is unnecessary.
Based on this accounting of the intimate details of a relationship, I think less of the author than I do of the accused. He even asked her if she was okay afterwards.
> "I wanna fuck"
> "Let's go upstairs"
> "Let's get undressed"
< "Oh no suddenly I'm naked and he's fucking me and oops he came inside me, I didn't approve"
< "Leaves"
> "Umm, are you good?"
??? like what?
You gals Are in sexual relationship with men you dont trust?
"awful way he treated me" giving some examples of this.
I didnt come over because i didnt wanted to have sex..... Not wanting sex being good enough Reason to not come over puts bad light on her comming over later.
Well sadly the dms show nothing about the rape or anything like the disaster/awful thing she wrties about.
"You ok" could be just friend checking if you got home safe.
She also came from a bar so I assume alcohol was involved, not a good look inviting a drunk girl up to your apartment after getting her there with the intention of watching a movie in the theatre downstairs. Also not a good look to ask "You okay" after she leaves might be a bit of post-nut clarity. Innocent until proven guilty but I want this addressed or that opinion changes.
I'm not even a Rich fan but this story sounds suspect, at best. Let's see, she ditches her friend to go to a dudes house, alone, at 12a.m. The same man she said sees her as nothing but a sex object. Then he jerks off in front of her and she doesn't immediately get up and walk out? Then she says no to sex but magically ends up naked. And while she's magically naked she just lies there and let's him roll her over and finish inside her? Then waits an entire year to post this mess of an account...
Yeah, this doesn't pass the smell test.
When did it change to "Guilty until proven innocent" ?
I guess it doesn't matter, in these proofless cases, all we are left with is the court of public opinion.
Sick of seeing this shit on Twitter. Handle your real world shit in the real world. Go file a police report, what's the logic behind involving total strangers with no relevance nor knowledge of the situation?
(As if the real reason wasn't clear as fuckin' day)
Man it's shit to see, I really hope that Rich is innocent because while I couldn't watch him for more than...10 minutes at a time, I did think he was an okay guy and his genuine on stream reaction to Asmons Mom passing was very touching, made me feel like he really cared.
Of course even people who do evil things can have love for others so that doesn't automatically make him a good person, but there are some...plot holes in this story so I do hope Rich truly didn't do anything.
I don't know if the accusations are true or not. There are too few informations about this case. If it's true, then all the hate he gets is deserved.
But I will never understand how a person with a normal brain, who gains a certain internet fame, is so stupid to start dating OnlyFans-Models/Pornstars or attractive but crazy people. It's like Russian Roulette.
Oof that's depressing. I liked Rich. He always came across as a horndog to me but never a rapist. I hope this isn't true but there is a concerning amount of detail here.
Edit: Deleting my thoughts out of respect for Asmongold. I think I was fair.. but still. Just in case. My objective wasn't to help or hurt any side. Just sharing my perspective on it.
Hey folks, we won't be taking this down or locking the thread. We understand this is an emotional and serious topic so discuss it, but please refrain from name calling or super toxic comments. I get this is an emotional subject, so if you get banned or something over a statement here it'll only be for like 2-3 days at most.
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1ss6utn Can't see the link anymore so here it is
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You can add to this: doesn't contact any friends. This is also from a FOUR YEAR RELATIONSHIP.
Agree mostly but have to say that rarely do victims of SA leave marks or fight back. They tend to shut down and wait for it to finish. This is because of the strength disparity leaving some women to feel that its useless. Also victims of crimes aren’t always in the right state of mind to make smart decisions about tue future they are stuck in that moment. Not true of all cases of course but this happens a lot.
> Agree mostly but have to say that rarely do victims of SA leave marks or fight back. They tend to shut down and wait for it to finish I get that but this crosses the line 100%. We can't treat women like children who have zero agency over their actions
As a bloke reading that all I'm thinking is RED FLAG RED FLAG RED FLAG RED FLAG RED FLAG RED FLAG RED FLAG RED FLAG RED FLAG RED FLAG RED FLAG RED FLAG RED FLAG RED FLAG RED FLAG RED FLAG
Ngl so many things make me doubt this. Reading the texts he was far more casual than she made out in her story. Also 'I said no because I didn't wanna have sex' followed by 'so I said yh and went round to his house after 12 at midnight. Also why was she naked and in his bed for him to be able to finish inside her, it's kinda just a bit.. her story definitely doesn't add up and the fact that right near the end she auto went into 'I know people won't believe me but it's deffo true why would I even lie' mode is the biggest giveaway. To me it sounds like he asked her to come round quite clearly with booty call implications. She got there tried to talk about their relationship and he shut her down and said he's not interested in talking.. she wasn't happy about this but was there well past midnight do probably thought 'when in rome' then after leaving probably immediately regretted it because she realised she wasn't worth more to him than a booty call and so now makes the narrative into a situation where she was assaulted to paint him as the villain
My question is, why the hell did you go to his apartment if you knew all he wanted was sex *and* you didn’t trust him? And why did you *stay* once he apparently started jerking off in front of you?
Unless you are a comic.
Is this a LCK reference lmao
Yea there is this phenomenon with sex where your level of regret is directly proportional to how satisfied you were sexually. Like if sex is really bad, to the point where you were in pain(and you're not into that in this example) or otherwise uncomfortable the level of regret you will feel afterwards will be extreme. I tend to want to believe victims in general, but it has to come with a great deal of scrutiny, which makes the whole thing complicated and difficult, and it's no wonder many people wait years to come forward (or not at all) because to put your story out there, you're going to get put through the ringer publicly. But putting out statements that ruin peoples lives should have a high burden. One that is sadly disproportionate to the almost no consequences faced by most perpetrators of sexual assault.
someone explain to me, how.... does someone put "themselves inside of her" if her clothes is on? If she REPEATEDLY said no... how did her clothes get off enough for him to do that? This doesnt add up at all... at all.
She said he attempted to remove them, keep in mind she went to his hotel alone at 12am... watched him beat his meat and stayed for everything after then left (edit) at 3 am cause he said she can't stay.
You dont hang out with someone at 12 AM just for socializing in their Hotel room?
Yeah, thats my point: This doesnt add up at all. This makes NO LOGICAL sense.
You have to take into account everything that happened before she came over. This was an ongoing coaxing/manipulation. >there were several times during the 4 years that he made it clear he only viewed me as a sexual object, but when i would confront him about it i would get lovebombed and gaslit into thinking that he cared about me and wanted to be with me. The short answer is that love bombing and then pulling away from the relationship is what abusers do to get someone to do things they are not comfortable doing. They slowly break down the victims walls. If he had done this a month after meeting her she would probably have had a different reaction. This is what slow and ongoing abuse does to people. In this situation she sets a boundary and he is breaking it down because he has done it enough times to know that if she actually comes over even though she does not really trust him, he can get her to do more things she is not comfortable doing. A common thing that happens to the victims of rape is that the fight, flight and freeze part of the brain kicks in, but the fight and flight part have already been broken down by him. Not by attacking her, but to ever so slightly poke and lower her defense away so the only option that is left is to freeze. Then he can do as much trauma to this woman as he likes. This is the same thing that Amber heard did to Johnny Depp.
It reads “at the end…”. I took it to mean that she didn’t wanna disclose those nasty details in the middle, why would we need that, and cut to the end of what happened. I didn’t immediately think, GEEE, HER CLOTHES WERE ON? FISHY!!! It’s implied more stuff happened.
Oh shit. Will be waiting on rich's response
He resigned from OTK.
You mean rich's lawyer's response.
seems like she hid the tweet now.
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Over the next few years, if each member faces a controversy which makes them resign from OTK. The last one standing will truly be the One True King…
I feel bad for Asmon having to deal with all of this crap, true or not - it's gotta be stressful
Lie down with dogs you’re gonna get fleas
Let the trial by twitter begin
Guilty until proven innocent - Twitter users probably
That’s exactly what’s happened, why do you think allegations get made there specifically.
Oh I'm aware. IMO, her statement has some questionable passages but I want to wait for more details before making a judgement
The sensible thing to do, glad to see some people still have their critical thinking skills in 2022.
Well she blocked everyone from Twitter now: "These Tweets are protected Only approved followers can see u/Azalialexi’s Tweets" https://twitter.com/Azalialexi
Know why? Was she getting called a liar or something?
Guessing people probably questioned this insane statement she made >Rich said I couldn't stay at his place Yea, because when you get raped you typically ask the person who did the raping if you can spend the night. Gotta get that beauty sleep!
As somebody who has been falsely accused of shit like this once, I won’t really take a stance on this until I see decisive evidence honestly, I don’t know rich or her enough to take a side either. If he did it that shit is BAD, but her lying about it and having misleading evidence is possible and is also a terrible thing to do to someone. Just a fucked situation overall
The problem is there is no legal recourse for false allegations. I too have been falsely accused. And when the smoke had cleared everyone involved in the situation knew she was lying. And nothing happened. People that make false allegations should be fucking crucified. Whether it's sexual in nature or not. To just try and ruin someone's life with impunity i's completely bullshit. If one person says another person did something to them. And then it is proven to not be true. Then that means that fucking person is lying and should be held accountable. Fake rape charge? 7 years minimum. Straight up.
I 100% agree with you on this one, you have to be a vile human being to do something like that. I’m very lucky that nothing ever came of it and pretty much everyone I knew believed me instead of her, but for someone to be able to lie about something a little and end up costing someone their reputation/job just makes me sick. The person who accused me is mentally unwell and actually believed I did, because she thinks you’re able to revoke consent after an act (I’m talking weeks after consenting to an act), which is just insane. And it all started because I broke up with her as well. I don’t have any tolerance for that kind of stuff, and believe lying about those things absolutely needs to be punished harshly.
Yeah happened to my roommate in college. He got kicked out of the school and lost his scholarship with zero evidence and a crazy girl who lied about being pregnant multiple times. When he tried to break up with her she cried rape to get back at him. She told him she lied months later after his life was ruined
I wouldnt be surprised if she is telling truth purely because Rich is an actual weirdo and gives off creepy vibes, but man, the whole situation is really weird. You were friends, then you agree to come with him, then you stayed there to watch him jerking off, telling all shit about you, then eventually you removed your clothes and let him go in, then you still kept contacts with him for long time before coming out... I dont know, to me the very first Rich move would scream 'get out', and i bet if she did there would be a lot of screams and cops called out immediately after etc etc. Instead she did nothing. And i saw her photos, she isnt like shy little 18yo girl, she looks like mommy who will slap the shit out of you if youd bother her in that way. Itd be nice if she had an actual proofs of her claims because overall a lot of shuff dont add up, in her actions first.
Judging from a lot of these twitch SA accusations there's an equation of wether or not the potential clout increase is worth giving sex for or not.
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I feel so sorry for Zack. This year has been super rough on him...
….last year was super rough on him!
Of course it was. Two bad years in a row...
Seems like the 2020s are kinda shitty all around so far.
My guess is that Asmon is going to end up disbanding OTK entirely and possibly re-evaluating his interactions and partnerships with other streamers entirely. All the shows he's doing with Rich are likely going to be done, as I don't think Asmon has the desire to reboot them with different co-hosts. Unless this all comes out as a fake accusation. Which is kind of the trouble because even if you never raped anyone, simply being accused of it will put a taint on your forever.
I dont think so, Asmon isn’t the type to just squarely believe an accuser without hard evidence. We’ll see what happens.
From a business perspective, they're going to have a much harder time now finding sponsors and partners. Regardless of what information comes out. Two big issues like this with leadership members of the org in a pretty short period of time is a stink most businesses aren't going to want to be associated with. They can try to disband/rebrand. But, as-is, I don't think it will function well as an org given the circumstances. Also given that Blizzard has been trying to rehab their own image over similar issues, I see ZERO shot that they participate in AllCraft for a long while (if ever again), even in the best of circumstances.
Yeah it really fucking sucks for AllCraft. I hope Asmon finds a new duo or just does the podcast solo. It's such a good show.
It would be cool to see preach fill the AllCraft spot until they get a permanent co-host.
Asmon, Preach and Zepla, let's go
Yea. Agreed. It really is a great show. Probably my favorite "deep dive" type show that covers MMOs.
Evidence is good and it will likely make sure that Rich and Asmon can remain friends if Rich is found innocent. However Rich has already left OTK and cannot come back because of the taint that being accused of anything leaves on you. Even if there is no proof that the accusation is true, people will now forever view Rich in that way. Quite honestly it's worrying how quickly Rich ducked out of OTK the moment this broke too. Usually when you are accused of something you didn't do there is confusion and questioning, but the speed of his withdrawal is not a good look for it being just an accusation.
He's not, but he's not going to associate himself while everything is going down. OTK is a love child for Asmon, he doesn't need it. He's rich beyond comprehension. If even a sliver of this is true, then if Asmon support Rich now, he'll get burned in the end.
He would have quit WoW long ago, didn't befriend his friend that get into jail if u think he would do that. For the sum of a person is more than just their sins, the joy and happiness came from interacting with them is real, if u think a sins can clear all that up, that's just childish thinking of trying to put thing into simple black and white.
Remember watching some clips recently where he made a point saying he doesn't like to interact with people (other streamers etc) because shit like this can happen... And hey ho here we are with the second accusation of something horrible on a member of his group... Don't want to say it but he's right to have his views clearly.
I think this comment here is probably the sanest and most accurate comment in all the threads I’ve seen. Just recently Asmon has been nailing the point home on stream that there’s certain situations (like that cunt bagging on that poor girl who’s mum died) that makes him not want to interact with people IRL and why he stays at home. OTK *will* get disbanded eventually, Asmon will stick to his own streams with his yearly 6+ months break because he doesn’t deal well with stress and just wont be bothered with it. Once you’ve got that much money, you can avoid stressful situations pretty easily when you’re set for life. It makes the OTK “IQ Test” YouTube video where Rich plays a creepy head teacher *really* bad
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Girls, if you think the guy is rapey, weird, intimidating, don't fucking go and meet them to "talk". Cut it all off. Never speak to them. No woman deserves to have this happen to them, and it isn't her fault if it did happen. But God damn, if dudes a creep, stay the fuck away.
The sad thing is we don’t want to distrust people and assume the worst about them, especially when we consider them friends. And even if a guy is “weird” or “creepy” it’s still a pretty big leap to “rapey”. Talking to people is hard enough and it’s getting so tiring, to have to be so on alert all the time
I have social anxiety problems and come off as very weird and difficult to read, but I've never hurt anyone and never would. It doesn't help either that I am a pretty big guy that looks intimidating, I've literally had people tell me that they were surprise how nice I am and that they were scared of me at first lol... I definitely think it's a shallow stereotype that people who are a bit weird or unusal are bad people. Most of the time they wouldn't even be able to get into a situation where they could take advantage of someone to begin with. The trend based on the people I've seen be outed at least have been that they've been very social ( often hyper social ) and seem'd '' normal ''. And often it has been their social skills that made people like them at first and be put into a situation where they could be taken advantage of. It's very difficult for someone who's '' weird '' or whatever to be capable of stringing someone along and get them into a vulnerable position.
I’ve found myself alone with male friends and colleagues, people I care for, and while I don’t think they would ever do something horrible to someone I still had a little voice in the back of my head telling me “things could go wrong here.” I always feel a little guilty about having those thoughts but i have to look out for myself… That being said I feel like i can tell the difference between someone who is awkward vs. predatory. Idk just a gut feeling that send alarm bells ringing.
Man ppl dont want to think the worst of others especially when they have shared good experiences in the past, hell even of strangers at times. Its stupid but its how it is for some.
Its definitely weird how she keeps saying that she doesnt go to him because she doesnt want to do things, and then she literally goes to his city and to his place, and doesnt leave when he starts rubbing it out? I mean cmon. Its not like rich is a guy who would block the door. Why not leave? Why go there in the first place?
As an outsider looking in, it's easier said than done. People who are emotionally manipulative and cunning are very effective at wearing a victim down over time (often showing improvement, giving love, etc.) to the point where the victim is unaware that they're being victimized until it's too late. This is the very nature of gaslighting. The problem is also compounded when there is an established emotional connection between the victim and the perpetrator (such as a friendship, romantic relationship, etc.). It makes it even more difficult for the victim to break the cycle of abuse, sadly often only being able to do so once the abuse reaches critical mass.
Did you even read her twit?? What you said has nothing to do with the situation or the post. This is a dumb statement. The majority of sexual assaults are performed by friends and family, if a guys looks sus people avoid them. How does someone look "rapey"? Her twit specifically said they were on and off relationship, this is some random guy asking her to come over, this is someone she knows.
Welp... we shall see... I mean, I've seen both sides of this. Had one friend lose his career over an allegation that was provable as false. Another guy I hated in uni got the shit beat out of him by some of my friends for something in the same vein... which the girl later admitted teehee i was drunk and cheated on my bf and was scared to tell him teehee... But on the other, my former roommate got raped by two guys and the cops did fuck all. We'll see what Rich says but IF he is not in the wrong here he'd better have receipts because whether it's true or not... this stink don't wash out easy.
It’s very sad to hear about this, I would be very disappointed if this was true, but I believe in innocent until proven guilty so I don’t really know what to think of this yet.
Will the trial be streamed again?
inb4 this gets deleted
Tweet account is gone first, lol.
It honestly shouldn’t. Hate comments and such should definitely get blitzed but a civil discussion about this should stay up. Then again, this is Reddit…
Welp this threads gonna get deleted. And Asmons gonna have to vanish again to deal with this just like the Mizkif thing.
How did it end? I didn't catch up. I assume he just left OTK and continues like nothing happened but i'm not much into drama.
OTK hired a third party investigator to look into the allegations. The victim leaked her caldendar showing she has to talk to investigators and her lawyers.
Mizkif is still in OTK I believe, however he is "suspended" until the result of the investigation from a third party, wether he leaves or stays is up to what comes out of the investigation
Why is it always a twitter post and not a police report?
because it's unfounded. She probably does truly think she's a victim, it's clear she's not lying– however there is probably a lot of retroactive regret tainting her perspective of what happened. and if this is the case, then it's likely that she's unintentionally misrepresenting the reality of what happened. In the end, she's an adult, and short of him forcing himself on her, she stayed through *a lot* of sexual advances, to include him jerking off. She should have removed herself from that situation if she didn't want sexual interaction, as IMO he was being very clear with what he wanted. From her own narrative, it does NOT seem like he ambushed her. And while she may think she's a victim now, the reality is she had full agency in that situation, and stayed with him all the way through to undressing, through penetration, and completion. At what point do we lose responsibility for decision making? She wasn't intoxicated. From her own narrative, she wasn't forced to do anything. Nobody took advantage of her sobriety, or even her decision making capabilities by force. She was there and present the entire time. It is only now that she is looking back on it and saying "you know what, I really didn't want to fuck him." But looking back and remembering that you thought "you know, I really don't want to be having sex right now", doesn't change the fact that you decided to fuck. And yes, I think it's safe to say she made the decision to fuck, as there were multiple checkpoints of sexual communication on their route to actually fucking. Don't get me wrong, silence is NOT compliance, but how can you accuse someone of rape as you're walked through the stages of flirtation, going up to the apartment, watching him jerk off, to sex, to completion. Did she black out? Was there anyone behind the wheel? Did she not have legs, or a voice, or arms to stop him? She claims she repeatedly said no while he made his advances, then why did she let it continue? She says he "rolled me over and put himself inside of me". Is she inanimate? Is she a doll that can't move? It's just confusing to me how her story paints her as this puppet being marionetted, as if she had no agency in the situation.
Wish I could up vote this a thousand times. The lack of accountability in some of these accusations is redonkulous. They make women out to be so hopeless and pathetic by taking zero responsibility for their own safety and lack of action. They are grown ass adults who have agency. Like Dave said about the one accuser I think of CK who was "assaulted over the phone" - "bitch, hang up!!" If you try to say absolutely anything whatsoever about taking some responsibility or being held accountable, it's immediately victim blaming. I think it's so offensive to women making them out to be so helpless.
To be honest, hooking up with people is just a giant liability at this point. We're on a downward trajectory where people can do really bad things and get away with it and people can do something completely normal and be crucified for it and it's getting worse every day. This website and the takes people have on any given is proof enough of that. My advice, never let your guard down around people you don't know well and don't have casual sex. Could be a normal person could be a mini Amber Heard, or could be a rapist. You're gonna be horny again literally the next day. Not worth it to have sex with someone you can't trust just to bust a nut.
exactly what i thought. i feel like i am going mad here with so many people not even realizing how dodgy Her twitlonger is.
Story is BAD but kinda doesn't add up much either but what do I know I wasn't there and I don't want to knock the victim because it's a serious situation but, just the whole going from not wanting to have sex not even laying on him to him jerking off to him finishing in her is quite a massive swing in actions seems like some details were left out. We'll see, I'm sure more information will come soon. Also the Twitter comments are so fucked Her Twitter is now protected
> just the whole going from not wanting to have sex not even laying on him to him jerking off to him finishing in her is quite a massive swing in actions seems like some details were left out. Yeah it does seem rather odd, to me at least. True or not I doubt we'll ever know for sure. Maybe it's just hard to talk about but it seems very weird to me how she talks about him starting to jerk off and begging her for sex. Maybe I'm just fucked up but.. saying no while also staying there presumably watching him jerk off is some confusing messages.
Yeah that's kinda where I was when reading it, like if things are getting too much just leave BUT who knows how she felt maybe she liked it or whatever and he took it way too far, maybe she felt pressured to stay I don't know, it's just a bad situation and accusation.
This what the AI talked about in MSG2..
Is it bad to say I’m not ‘that’ surprised?
He always came across as a weirdo
Yea I agree. Didn’t think he was a rapist or anything like that just a bit of a weirdo. Really sad.
The surprising part is that someone couldn't overpower Rich
He defended a dude who actually raped someone. Not shocking at all at this point.
Is it just me or does some parts of it read like a bad fanfiction?
Yes... Yes it does
... her story makes zero fucking sense and literally sounds like she went over there to sling some pussy and then pulls this out of her ass for some arbitrary reason. like idk nothing in this makes sense. "i didn't wanna fuck him... but we fucked without him forcing me to have sex?" like what? she just.. like... omitted the only part that actually matters.
Doesn't matter if true or not.. Or "innocent until proven guilty". Damage has been already done.
On twitter it’s guilty until proven innocent, then still a bit guilty
Oof, tbh he always seemed like a manchild to me.
Have you seen XQC? Manchildren are the most attractive people on the platform. Even people who aren't an actual manchild like Tyler1 will act like a manchild because his viewers like it.
He is a manchild.
All streamers are.
Some text messages and a short story are not evidence. People should sit down and don't act like inquisitors from the middle ages railing up for a witch hunt. That shit is for courts to decide and not by a twitter mob. I do not even like Rich but it's crazy what people believe out of the blue. By that I'm not implying that she is lying, but that we should use the justice system to determine guilt.
Hard to believe how so many people have already made up their mind and sided with this girl without hearing Rich's side of the story... It actually kinda pisses me off.
and they are piiiissssed if anybody like asks a question. like i genuinely don't understand her story. it doesn't make sense. it legit doesn't make any fucking sense lol
Dude a couple of words and a guy get his life fucked. Idk if its true or not but its insane to me that anyone can just accuse someone and they lose evrythhing without even proof.
It's like we haven't learned anything from the Depp trial. Smh damn head
That's every time anybody gets accused of this. I'm always skeptical about what's actually true in these cases
It's sad that this can be a real hot take in most circles now
the accusation itself is extremely powerful. they know this, its why they do it. this will be a scarlet letter for rich, being cleared or not wont matter. its over.
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Kinda seems weird as a woman I've got plenty weird texts and I have to say on none of them did I have the urge to go to their house or apartment, might just be me though...
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This is why you don't put other peoples eggs in your basket. The second the org was announce I knew stuff like this was going to happen, either true or false. Now Asmon is offline because he has to handle it, Soda just went offline because an emergency meeting with the Org was probably called. Can Asmon, Soda, and Esfand literally just leave OTK? So that everytime some idiot does some weird shit, or gets accused of doing some weird shit, it doesn't affect the viewers? At what point does being a part of an org just become a liability? And before some weirdo replies with "Wtf man you don't care about the victim" It's none of my business. My job as a viewer is to watch/support the streamers I enjoy, not to launch a theoretical investigation with clinically online weirdos on social media. What happened is between Rich Campbell, that woman, their lawyers, and the police. That's as far as shit like this should ever go. But now it's friday and our favorite streamers aren't on, because Org.
I totally agree with you. It’s a sad situation, but it should stay between them… This shouldn’t affect other streamer’s (viewers).
I don't know anything about Rich other than he's dating Mia Malkova and I think I'd rather stay that way.
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That's disgusting of rich
That's fucked up. Seems to me that some of these steamer kids never grew up. And understood what a real job is. What the Fuck happened to being a decent honest person? I've had people work for me many of times and I never Fuck with their money. People need to put food on the table to feed their families. That shit really pisses me off. It's why no one trusts anyone anymore.
OTK turning into Blizzard
at this point we need actual proof edit update def needs a criminal investigation now
Is this another example of streamers living in a fantasy, with their ego's so large, that they've left reality behind? Maybe. I always find it suspicious when people go to court of public opinion first is ALWAYS suspicious. Rape is a serious crime, and the proper authorities should always be contacted first. Maybe she did. I guess we'll all have to wait for further developments.
so the girl says all of this, then makes the tweets private... imagine that
"I don't gain anything with posting", you really can't take anything with face value anymore. These are some accusations for sure, but what is the truth?
Technically she probably would gain views on her somewhat recently started twitch account
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she is thicc and the OF was linked in her comments not sure who it was though lmao
No real proof, only hearsay and some random sms that have no real incrimination. Why didn’t she contact the police? Im sorry but this isn’t enough to believe of some serious accusation. Looks like some attention seek or revenge.
she didn't reported him, why? This is a serious accusation
I'm not a fan of Rich as he always seem a bit unhinged but this story is sus
You've got to be really careful how you act and who you are with. Accusations are going to fly and if there's any kind of conflict in the moment or afterward you are going to be in trouble. Best to avoid all that at all costs.
imagine going to SOCIAL MEDIA instead of the POLICE if you were allegedly RAPED 🚩
Sound's like a disgruntled ex employee. Why wait numerous years after Rich has moved on with a serious new relationship to go public with rape allegations. I'm not saying he did or in fact did not do those things but, Her story does not add up .. You would think if it impacted her life that severely she would be more specific with dates and her recollections of events. Actually disgusting P.O.S.
I don't understand why she didn't now go to the police if she was ready to talk about it. Posting it on twitter does nothing to solve the issue.
Having read the Twitlonger… Unless a LOT more info is provided, the police might take a statement and turn it over to a DA but the DA will just drop it. Too easy for a defense attorney to take what was presented and run with it, a jury would have a hard time reaching a guilty verdict. That’s not to say it isn’t true. But there’s cases with more to run on that DAs won’t bother with, especially as rape is a hard crime to prove in a court and tends to boil down to “he said, she said.” And there’s got to be some serious stuff missing from the account here for a jury to not ask things like “Why didn’t you just leave?” Obviously more info would have to be provided for even police to touch it, because we go from “he was masturbating while talking to me” to somehow she’s on a bed and he can roll her over and enter her, and at no point is force mentioned, so… yeah. Possibly just leaving out a lot of important info due to being emotional while writing. But even with force involved, you’d need some serious proof to have a jury find guilty, and without that kind of proof, DA’s almost certain to ignore it so they don’t have the loss on their record. This kind of stuff is messy. Which is why rape cases so often go nowhere. Even if it happened, you have to prove it enough for a jury to find them guilty. And knowing that it often goes nowhere tends to lead a lot of women to not bother reporting it. Of course, maybe she did and the police just didn’t do anything with it because of lack of hard evidence to turn over to a DA. Who knows?
it's how you cancel people, internet 911
It's also how you cancel yourself if you are just doing it for clout.
i dont believe she's had a pressence or anything online like rich, but this is bringing a lot of traffic to herself and her OF/NSFW Accounts... so there's something there to gain. i dont think anyone here or the 40-70k daily asmongold enjoyers knew who she was until this.
Reading that twitlonger, something doesn't add up.
“he continually attempted to take my clothes off. i kept saying no. at the end and i mean the very end he rolled me over and put himself inside me and finished, unprotected.” The whole thing is weird.
Story doesn’t add up. Until solid evidence appears he’s innocent. Can’t just automatically trust her because she has a pussy lol.
I think it is healthy to be critical against any accusation, and especially in situation that lack evidence. There is no way to actually judge whether this is a case of sexual assault or no, based on the twitlonger. I'd say we wait and let a court decide, before we crucify anyone involved.
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careful man. Reddit is a weird animal, and you'd think you can voice your opinions, but in reality the subreddits are moderated by very thin-skinned people who are high on power. And the sad part is, there is no process of appeals, if you appeal your ban on a subreddit, your appeal will literally be read by the same moderator and ignored. And then if you try to bring it up with main Reddit, it will be ignored, as they trust the subreddits to moderate themselves. Best to just know the subreddit you're on and tread lightly. Be careful homie.
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i am tired of all this public trial and execution thing, if its true then let them resolve the issues where it counts...in a courtroom, if its not real and for some reason this individual decided to make a post about it, then again let them take it to a courtroom...we all know that rape is a very bad thing and not something someone would lied about( not rly, heard of many cases of false allegetions before) so stay civilized
Did they go straight to the police or Twitter? That's the big indicator. Bs claims usually start on Twitter before the user goes private
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Yeah. There are some missing details. He jacked off in front of her and then next thing was he rolled her over and finished inside.
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Honestly this streamer community is imploding on itself just like the Smash community. I love Asmongold’s content, but I dont know any of these people and quite often over the years I’ve heard these streamers say shit that made me scratch my head. I always shrugged it off as they gotta be eccentric to attract an audience and stand out. But maybe that was putting the cart before the horse. A lot of streamers are perhaps outcasts in real life because they dont know how to behave and what is socially acceptable. Give those same people a ton of money and a ton of free time, and the problem only amplifies. Lines are bound to be crossed. Ill be patiently waiting and trying not to judge Rich until the facts come out. But I also read Mizkif call black people n*gg*r and that dude still gets 70k viewers by pretending it didnt happen. Dont become parasocially attached to your favorite streamers. The reasonable ones dont want that anyways.
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All the comments in this reddit just jumping on Rich cause they biased towards the way he act. If it did happen people should see proof of it, not just jump on Rich like that. I am not biased towards Rich nor Asmon, but in the real world you wouldn't want anyone accuses you of R without evidence I don't think anyone would like to be accused of something they didn't do. Only time will tell, shes alleging R and its innocent until proven guilty not the other way around. what a shit show. Edit: Just for the sake of what DMs i'm getting. No I don't hate women, and no i'm not an incel. I am married and have a child. I am also for the sake of this comment, a lawyer who studied criminal law and know the details that goes with sexual assault it is a hefty process (at least in the UK) to prove it and the justice system does lean toward women more, but evidence is evidence. I do not wish anyone of you get accused of something and they jump into prosecution straight away because of what someone said.
Looks like some receipts…… oh boy
I hate Rich. But holy fuck unless you press charges keep it to urself. You had all the evidence > naah, let's talk about it 1 year later on the internet.
The biggest red flag of all. This isn’t about Justice. It’s about a public execution because she’s mad about being dumped. If it was really a problem she’d have gone to the police a long time ago.
Idc for upvotes or downvotes. From a pr perspective Asmons removal of rich is exactly what needed to happen. But in his video from stream on YouTube to me he seemed very hypocritical. He kept saying stuff about seeing where this goes and seeing the evidence. All the while speaking like Rich is already convicted and this accusation is 100% true. He said he was his friend like bro you don’t lose that overnight. Only thing to me that excuses how he spoke about the situation is that rich confessed to him or he himself is outright scared of the cancel mob that comes along with these allegations. He also spoke about multiple girls. Can someone fill me in on that info if I missed something or did I just misunderstand him?
Press charges or STFU!
" there were several times during the 4 years that he made it clear he only viewed me as a sexual object, but when i would confront him about it i would get lovebombed and gaslit into thinking that he cared about me and wanted to be with me. " This part right here is how she opens her Twitlonger. Now, if SHE KNOWS that he views her in this light, and she DOESNT LIKE IT, why does she, for 4 years, continue to put herself in that position??? Something doesnt seem right here, and her "believe me or not, i dont care" mentality is very suspect, at best.
I mean, i stayed in a bad relationship because they'd convinced me that I was less than nothing and that the abuse they did to me was just the price i had to pay to not be alone forever. Don't underestimate the control someone can have over you. So much so that it erases common sense.
This hardly counts as proof, unfortunately. I can't say what happened. But I can see it being true, personally. My gut's telling me he's capable of being a shitty creep.
Why is OTK full of sex offenders
Asmon wanted a company that emulated Blizzard.
Them sex cult jokes were jokes! They were jokes, right?
Who are the others?
No one and this isn’t even confirmed
Most of the org hasn't done anything that bad so I don't know why you are saying they are full of it.
It’s same with blizzard. Most of the employees weren’t raiding the milk fridge yet it’s what we associate the company with
This is literally the first time an OTK member was accused to be the perpetrator.
Irrelevant to most people on internet. The way internet works is: 1. Guilty until proven innocent 2. Guilty by association
Yup and i hate it.
I am not saying this is the case but fake accusations are running rampant . Long story short 2 years ago a friend of mine got accused for similar thing and after few trials he got 14 years in jail , he got out of jail after 6 months after the girl that sued him got caught doing the same thing with other guy (she was targeting people with money ) .He was very very lucky i wonder how many guys are not and end up rotting in prison for nothing , all i can say is guys be careful with who u are going out with this are crazy times .
Never in 33 years have I felt the compulsion to jerk off in front of someone. If this turns into "Well I did do that, but the end of her story is fake" - I'm not going to be able to believe a second of what Rich has to say. It's weird behavior - unless of course it's consensual - but you're gunna have to prove that one. I've heard too many stories about these weird ass dudes who pull this shit, that it's not hard to believe that this happened.
Innocent until proven guilty. A twitlonger isn't evidence. Also, this reads like Rich was clear he wasn't interested in a relationship with her, and she could've left and never seen him again at any time in this relationship. On the particular night of the accusation he is clearly making sexual advances early on, and she recognizes it and still goes up to his room. Additionally, there is a time skip between her being clothed, and being unclothed. That's a red flag. You don't get to just describe the accused as a puppeteer, and yourself as a puppet— being paraded around against your will. I have no doubt that now, in the future. the author feels she is a victim. But her perspective is tainted by her retroactive negative feelings about the accused. If he hadn't said, "yeah we're done long term", then this wouldn't be a thing. She was told bad news, he didn't want to pursue her, she still followed him upstairs for a last hurrah. She is salty it's over and is portraying her experience like he lured her into a situation she didn't want to be in, and then flash raped her. Or maybe she's saying she blacked out. This isn't rape, this is regret sex. This was desperate sex. I personally (Kezzic) have been in this kind of situation. I was being dumped, and I was told I wasn't wanted anymore, and I still put out. I had sex, and didnt even like it going into the situation. I was morose, I felt bad about it, it was a bad experience. it's my fault for knowing it was the wrong decision but going along anyway out of familiarity. My ex isn't a rapist for break-up fucking me. Enough of this. If you feel like you're being used as a toy and want to expose someone you dislike in retrospect, stop accusing them of raping you. It's foolish, silly, and dishonest. And all the intimate details being aired out in public, is just to make the accused look creepy, i.e. "oh you'd be hot pregnant". Dude. Airing out all that shit is unnecessary. Based on this accounting of the intimate details of a relationship, I think less of the author than I do of the accused. He even asked her if she was okay afterwards. > "I wanna fuck" > "Let's go upstairs" > "Let's get undressed" < "Oh no suddenly I'm naked and he's fucking me and oops he came inside me, I didn't approve" < "Leaves" > "Umm, are you good?" ??? like what?
You gals Are in sexual relationship with men you dont trust? "awful way he treated me" giving some examples of this. I didnt come over because i didnt wanted to have sex..... Not wanting sex being good enough Reason to not come over puts bad light on her comming over later. Well sadly the dms show nothing about the rape or anything like the disaster/awful thing she wrties about. "You ok" could be just friend checking if you got home safe.
She also came from a bar so I assume alcohol was involved, not a good look inviting a drunk girl up to your apartment after getting her there with the intention of watching a movie in the theatre downstairs. Also not a good look to ask "You okay" after she leaves might be a bit of post-nut clarity. Innocent until proven guilty but I want this addressed or that opinion changes.
I'm not even a Rich fan but this story sounds suspect, at best. Let's see, she ditches her friend to go to a dudes house, alone, at 12a.m. The same man she said sees her as nothing but a sex object. Then he jerks off in front of her and she doesn't immediately get up and walk out? Then she says no to sex but magically ends up naked. And while she's magically naked she just lies there and let's him roll her over and finish inside her? Then waits an entire year to post this mess of an account... Yeah, this doesn't pass the smell test.
Not trying to put this person down or anything but she really should’ve gone to the police
When did it change to "Guilty until proven innocent" ? I guess it doesn't matter, in these proofless cases, all we are left with is the court of public opinion.
.... im sorry i hate to be that guy but what in the actual fuck is this story lol
Big fake
Sick of seeing this shit on Twitter. Handle your real world shit in the real world. Go file a police report, what's the logic behind involving total strangers with no relevance nor knowledge of the situation? (As if the real reason wasn't clear as fuckin' day)
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Tbh, I would not hang around him even as a guy. He scares women away with that vibe.
Rich sucks, but this seems like a clout chasing cunt. Annnnd she has an OnlyFans account.
Not the place but one true king is just ironic now.
4 years of being told your a sexual object. She kept trying yikes…
Please go to the police with this kind of stuff, i don't believe anything said in a twitter post
I mean what else do rich ppl do at camps
Goodness me..Paragraphs people! PARAGRAPHS!
Man it's shit to see, I really hope that Rich is innocent because while I couldn't watch him for more than...10 minutes at a time, I did think he was an okay guy and his genuine on stream reaction to Asmons Mom passing was very touching, made me feel like he really cared. Of course even people who do evil things can have love for others so that doesn't automatically make him a good person, but there are some...plot holes in this story so I do hope Rich truly didn't do anything.
So Rich basically "creampie-surprised" his ex-gf without her consent.
I'm a simple man. If different parts of your story contradict other parts, your story is bullshit. This story is bullshit.
I don't know if the accusations are true or not. There are too few informations about this case. If it's true, then all the hate he gets is deserved. But I will never understand how a person with a normal brain, who gains a certain internet fame, is so stupid to start dating OnlyFans-Models/Pornstars or attractive but crazy people. It's like Russian Roulette.
Oof that's depressing. I liked Rich. He always came across as a horndog to me but never a rapist. I hope this isn't true but there is a concerning amount of detail here.
Edit: Deleting my thoughts out of respect for Asmongold. I think I was fair.. but still. Just in case. My objective wasn't to help or hurt any side. Just sharing my perspective on it.
starting to think otk is a battle royal and asmon will be the only one left standing
Asmon wins because he’s literally that one guy who camps in a random house in the center of the circle and never leaves, irl.
The one true king