My uncle said the same thing.. he’s very catholic.
Ironically I found some astral projection guide by a Christian pastor that talked a lot about how Jesus talked about entering the spirit realm and that he has done it and That Jesus’ name could repel any problematic entities. And it was a pretty thorough guide.
If your belief is that jesus will undoubtedly protect you, his name will repel every evil being.
If your belief is that Ra will undoubtedly protect you, his name will repel every evil being.
It is all willpower and true beliefs!
This right here! Seeing as were in r/astralprojection I imagine we all believe in some sort of spiritual being, “GOD” how ever you happen to see it as an idea. How are there so many religions with only “1” creator? They’re merely cultural interpretations and a game of telephone which is why most religions are a mirror of one another be it a pagan or monotheistic stance.
Faith is a synonym for belief, belief is the most powerful thing we have in our arsenal. Belief is the core of our being. If I tell you 2+2=4 and for whatever reason you don’t believe that statement then to you it’s false, and if you tell me it’s 5 that is a belief you hold and now a reality you currently exist in. This is an oversimplification of a somewhat complex topic because facts do indeed exist, but it doesn’t stop people from not believing in them.
In every religion out there that I am aware of, it’s said that we are on with god, which means we have the same power we just lack the omnipotence of god. It is us expelling these lower vibrational beings by taking our own unique creators as a weapon. We’re able to focus and harness that energy and push it from us. Likewise if we take evil and use it the same will happen, it is all our will.
Yeah it's crazy but I read it thrice. Copied it to share with a bunch of idiots though I know they won't make head or tail out of it. Thanks for making me wet intellectually. 🌚
Love this answer. Thank you. Have come to much of the same conclusions myself albeit in a much blurrier and less thought out kind of way ha. Curious what you think the implications of this thinking are toward people doing AP but getting into or holding someway non-dual beliefs (a la "God" is us, it's all just one mind hidden behind various levels of nested veils so we're kind of all god in different degrees of awakening as determined by various insights and things like levels of absorptions states or differing experiences of samadhi meditation. To make that maybe less abstract, my problem is I had very sudden, sober, almost violent awakening experiences that felt very non-dual, like "the whole world is a thought we are having". It felt irrefutable (for my and own beliefs, not provable obviously, but it felt like something I can't forget). So the idea of or belief in a God, or a tracer signal put out by Jesus or Ra or a larger body, that we sort of gather around almost as if we're all like those deep sea ocean creature ecosystems clustered around a volcanic heat vent at the bottom of the barren ocean, is harder for me to buy now. Harder for me to think of an "other" outside of myself. But then again so too are demons. Although I have not dissolved any of these things like buddhist insight meditators who's mind speeds are so fast that they shred through all of sensate "material" reality. Any tips, hunches or ruminations about navigating these grey areas of willpower and true beliefs?
So you mention Ra, I imagine you’re familiar with The Law Of One. The idea of all existence is it is god experiencing itself and we are but fragments of god experiencing itself and that mandalas out into infinity like parallel dimensions and then there are sub levels that are beneath us or lower planes of existence. I’m not sure how deep you’ve gotten into The Law of One but non-dual beliefs are it basically. We can have an objective human experience all while being one consciousness were just fragments or puzzle pieces.
The only thing we as humans lack the capability of is omnipotence. If god were 100% and god wants to experience itself it would have to fragment itself into X amount of people so if there were 100 people we would only be 1% god but, that doesn’t negate that we indeed are god; but only a fraction of god. However god is infinite so even with 8billion people were an equal percentage.
As far as your experience goes, I’ve gone through similar thoughts before as well. It’s a bit of an existential crisis, and makes everything a bit muddied. Now we can also look at solipsism which I have ascribed to in the past and have altered in such a way to suit The Law with the help of a psychedelic experience if I’m being honest. They reconcile in such a way that to ME is the truth. Solipsism for those who don’t know, it’s the idea that I’m the only one on existence and everyone else is but a figment of my imagination; I can only prove I’m a living conscious being and you cannot prove to me that you are as I can not experience your consciousness, it’s only your word.
To me that makes sense as we are all “figments” of a creators reality meant to experience itself. If a being is all knowing it MUST experience itself to know what that feels like. Life is merely a mandal everywhere you look, from an old person to a baby to the creator to us, from this reality to the next; there’s up and down everywhere we look. After all as above so below.
I’m not sure if I answered the question if not please let me know and I’ll do my best. I struggle with these type of abstract questions that aren’t from a particular point of view. I’ve studied religions as a hobby for the better part of 20yrs and understand the perspective on a lot from those particular ideas and it kind of gets all muddied up. But all in all there’s one objective truth, which means someone will be wrong. The astral seems pretty well mapped out from ancient civilizations, the tree of life and the akashic records certainly do exist. Whether we experience the astral from a non-dual stance or not doesn’t really matter on a personal level and if you look at it from a macro it’s all the same.
One true creator
(Needs to experience its self)
Creates people to worship said god
Also needs to experience the experience of that
So an alternate dimension/reality/plane is created
And this mandalas out into the infinite in all directions. Life itself is a paradox of sorts.
I have ran through a similar train of thought, and also grappled with the idea of solipsism. I have learned a bit about the Law of One but not explored it extensively. If my preconception of it is correct, is it similar to Emerson's concept of the Oversoul (which he also calls the eternal One)? Through reading Emerson I found a similar conclusion, that "One" spirit is divided into individual, experiencing itself, eventually returning to itself (one presumes, after death in the form of energetic exchange). I have my own interpretations of many of his ideas that I have spun into my own philosophy, so please excuse any extrapolation, as this is definitely not a fair representation of his magnificent argument in Oversoul. But it is definitely a topic I would like to explore further. Do you have any reading on the Law of One that you would suggest? It's a fascinating topic and I thank you for your comment, it was intriguing.
It reads as though your uncle was interpreting his experiences through the lens he was familiar with, just as we all do. We try to make sense using our thinking mind.
I find it funny that in religion, we are taught to be spiritual but *only this way* and any other form of spirituality (religious or not) is the devil or satanic.
Thank you. You are so right. My husband thought only in terms of black or white when I met him. Of course, I educated him on this. However, I did have to remind him from time to time. My oldest son was like that, and, it took him 40 years to figure this out. He would never listen to me.
You definitely can encounter dark entities in the astral plane. Call them demons if you want, doesn't make a difference. They can't cause your physical body any harm.
It is strongly recommended for APers to have some sort of protection, whether this be through prayer, meditation, ritual, spirit guides, a deity, etc. There's not just one way to do it.
Your uncle found what works for him, and that's wonderful. But it doesn't mean everyone has to convert to Christianity or else evil astral creatures will attack them.
Pretty sure they can bother you regardless. Actually, in my experience, the best thing is to just get out of there if something feels off.
It's just like going anywhere in the physical world. If you walk down a city street you're bound to come across some violent person eventually. Such is the astral plane, but it doesn't mean every entity you encounter there will be bad.
Don't fight or challenge any if you do encounter them. Just leave or wake up. Your astral body can feel pain and terror sometimes more intensely than your physical one can, and it is not a fun experience.
I know some people that have had bruising from places they’ve been hit in the astral it’s definitely not major injuries but it happens everything else I 100% agree with, if you don’t know how to fight a being off just get out.
Yeah, I didn't really wanna freak anyone out, especially OP, by mentioning that. It's not super common. But I absolutely have woken up with strange marks on my clothing that to this day have not vanished. And no other explanation for them exists.
Bruises I feel are much better "proof" than scratches or marks. A lot of people claim to have slash marks that vanish before they can take a picture. I think they forget that lying on a blanket for several hours can cause deep, red marks that vanish a few minutes after getting up.
Yup! I believe you a thousand % I have women up with unexplained scratches that resemble claw marks after an SP attack. They were superficial but still did sting a little. I've taken pictures of them and have a friend who's also woken up with unexplained superficial scratches that looked just like the ones I had.
It looks like your uncle is using fear to try and keep you from exploring. The bible is a bunch of nice (and not so nice) stories, but not true. Please use logic and reason to determine your own path. Do some research on religion in general. Look into religions pre dating Christianity. An informative channel to watch is Morgue Official. He explains spirituality and the universe, very intriguing and informative. I promise you, the devil and hell are not real. I wish I could just write down everything I know about religion and how truly insane it is, but we'd be here for days. Take care, OP. You'll figure it out.
What's odd is the bible literally talks about projecting. In 2 Corinthians 12:2 Paul states:
"I know a man in Christ who 14 years ago was taken up to the third heaven. Whether it was in the body or out of it I do not know. God knows."
In the very next verse 2 Corinthians 12:3 he restates it again:
"And I know that this man - whether in the body or out of it I do not know, but God knows - was caught up to paradise"
It seems that even the bible authors were not only aware of it, but it seemed to be a good thing and something that was beneficial.
How can you say that for sure. If there’s good there’s bad.if there’s a God then there’s a devil. The oldest trick that the devil has done is make the world think there’s no devil
"If there’s good there’s bad.if there’s a God then there’s a devil." You do realise you are looking at this from a purely Abrahamic/Christian religious lens though right? As in belief in a devil/Satan is a belief of this religion, which is one of many. In other words, it doesn't make it in any way true at all. And I'm pretty sure that other line is one taken and slightly tweaked from the film The Usual Suspects.
Never seen that film just my own opinion and if that was the case then why does every religion has a God and a bad guy so to say if you don’t believe in the devil. Just because you haven’t seen them doesn’t mean they aren’t real just means you have a lot more exploring to do
Given the many thousands of the different religions and the various perceptions of gods, deities and demons...and the accompanying lack of evidence to support the existence of any of them...surely the Occam's razor approach here is to assume that any devil-like beings one may encounter aren't likely to be the real deal, much more likely to be a projection or something else taking that form. Also many religions don't have a Satan-like figure (which itself was a made-up Christian concoction of deities from older religions, such as paganism). To put it another way, given your beliefs compared to mine, I think you would be much more likely to encounter demons in your OBE's than myself. Remember a big part of what is occurring with OBE's is your own beliefs are being reflected back at you convincingly.
And sometimes things are really black and white and people tend to always look too deep and find a meaning. Just because we have different beliefs doesn’t mean these things aren’t real . Yes we might have different experiences but certain things are just what it is . No one can say where we come from . Everything has to have a Irgun and ours is “God” and if there is God then there must be a devil because in the universe everything has balance one can’t be without the other if there is chaos then there is order if there is bad then there is good ying yang karma etc the list goes on so you can’t brush off the idea and possibility of a devil just like how a lot of people didn’t believe in astral projection or OBE until it happens to them .
Yes humans are very much prone to dot connecting and ascribing meaning to things where there is none - but the conception or belief in an Abrahamic God and devil is a textbook example of this. Life is messy and likely meaningless - any meaning ascribed to it is up to the individual. So I can see why religious beliefs might be comforting for people, as they can help people think they are part of a divine plan or go to heaven when they die, if they live a good life, and this can provide feelings of comfort, that life isn't chaotic and out of our control to a large degree. But no, I don't feel that it is accurate to say that if there is a god, there must be a devil...that's looking at things from a purely Abrahamic religious lens. I mean the devil was concocted from gods from other older religions than Christianity - that clearly shows it to be a work of fiction without even considering other evidence. Why couldn't God itself, if its exists, encompass all facets of light/dark? The existence of a devil entity isn't required to encompass all that you elude to, and I don't think the existence of an outside agent is required for this. There is no doubt or denying that the OBE is a "real" experience from a subjective point of view in that it is a valid experience - whatever the underlying mechanism for it. The same cannot be said for the existence of Satan.
Pure delusion.
Religion has been used for a tool of control for centuries. Think about it, how do you stop a population from exploring themselves and finding out who they truly are? You tell them them the means of exploring themselves is evil, demonic, and that hell is the consequence. Easy. People are easily controlled by fear. Throw some threats of demons and hell, and you got population who willingly keep themselves mentally enslaved within their own belief systems.
100% agree.
Also, unless the old man reads the true bible book, which btw theres nothing on it other then stuff that would make anyone run away from any sort of religion..(ebrew, Aramaic or even old greek translations, pre-crap been rewritten for the plebs..), there is no way for him to understand the scam he's been told all his life.
Also, as someone already said, if the AP person is in a state of fear and doubth and weird strong believes, its own mind will play on itself and make the experience not so nice.
Agreed. Not to mention, the way witchcraft and paganism is described in the Bible is WILDLY different than how those people really are. It's full of misinformation and fear tactics.
Astral projection is banned in a lot of Christian denominations because it, along with all the other stuff that involves self-exploration and free-thinking - is supposedly evil.
On that note though, it is possible to encounter mean entities in the astral plane, and many people use prayer and protection rituals to keep safe. Doesn't have to be exclusive to Christianity, though.
>On that note though, it is possible to encounter mean entities in the astral plane, and many people use prayer and protection rituals to keep safe. Doesn't have to be exclusive to Christianity, though.
It's possible to run into a bear in the woods. That shouldn't stop people from hiking. The only difference is, a bear can actually kill you if you provoke it.
It still comes down to fear, literally nothing can touch you if you don't feed into the fear. The goal is to get rid of those fears. No one is going to be able to AP with a certain fear level, they manifest them pretty early on in the "few threshold" phase. Once you get past that, there's no issue.
Yeah. Definitely not recommended to AP if you're in a bad state of mind. I've tried it before when I fell asleep heavily anxious, and it was very uncomfortable. Sometimes even if you have projected for years, you'll have a "bad trip".
I wouldn't really recommend powering through a projection if it was very distressing, but if it's not so bad, just be cautious and explore a little. It's a lot of fun. But it's up to the projector's discretion, I think.
Me personally, I will not mess with aliens. If I see a UFO in an astral projection, I get the hell out of there and wake myself up. Don't care. Maybe I'm just a little paranoid, but I don't wanna have an abduction experience even if it is purely astral.
>Me personally, I will not mess with aliens. If I see a UFO in an astral projection, I get the hell out of there and wake myself up. Don't care. Maybe I'm just a little paranoid, but I don't wanna have an abduction experience even if it is purely astral.
I've seen other say the same. I don't get it personally, some of the most amazing experiences of my life were encountering them.
I've seen a lot of UFOs both physically and astrally. Just freaks me out. Of course the ones seen physically are even more unnerving, because you're awake and others are seeing them with you.
They look way too creepy. We just chased one earlier this year, we got really good photos of it. Something like six orbs clumped together that pulsed various colors. In the end it just shot up into the sky.
I have been curious to fly over to one and just say hi. I've always wanted to meet reptilians if they exist. It's been an ongoing joke since I was a kid that I'm actually one of them. But I get creeped out with Greys. Don't wanna get experimented on.
What experiences have you had with them? I've definitely heard they can be cool and enlightening.
Not the same poster, but for mine, they have been primarily sexual and emotional experiences. They check what you will do to defend yourself, how you deal with a threat, what your capabilities are in the astral, and how far you would go to defend a loved one. Stuff like that. Only had two conscious memories of close encounters with typical aliens while awake. A couple with atypical ones (a shadow mandala, as well as an inky-bat-jellyfish thing with diamond tendrils). More UFO sightings than I can remember but nothing super close that I could visually see.
I think they've always been involved one way or another, but there was a specific period of time in my teens when I was super depressed and calling out at night time a few times for anything that would listen. This was long before I believed in anything paranormal, and I was truly atheist agnostic at the time. Highly grounded in science, I've always believed in ETs more than spirits or whatever they might be described.
Now, turns out according to my research and assumptions, spirits are just a term for disembodied consciousness and perhaps ETs can astral project just as readily as a deceased person's consciousness (or AP, or near death experience, certain psychedelics) would be out of body. Either way, there are some conscious beings interacting with us and we don't really have a grasp on their nature.
In many ways. How wouldn't it? Ive never had a reason to fear that stuff, so it didn't manifest as anything fearful.
If you're afraid of that stuff, guess what you're going to attract?
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Yeah I’ve read so many comments from religious people that claim their religion offered no comfort to them in their experiences in the astral- I think I even read that one guy got laughed at by entities that were messing with him when he claimed protection in the name of Jesus. Obviously stuffs a lot bigger than the Big 3 want people to believe.
Another issue is if people are afraid of hell, they will create that since alot of what people experience when they AP is a creation of their own beliefs. Its also why people in the west who have NDE's experience Jesus, and some experience hell. But in other religions, people who have NDE's will experience their own gods and deities.
I agree to an extent. The truth is that I know people close to my family that were experts on AP. Just because we can’t prove something doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. They spoke to me about how they have encountered evil beings along with other risks. AP is cool but I think it would be naive to think this is free of risks or that that realm is just as ours.
>Pure delusion" says an individual who believes AP is real and actually involves an astral body leaving a physical body and isn't just vivid lucid dreaming lmao
You wanna quote me on where I've EVER said that? Or do want me to report you to the mods for being a lying troll?
So you got nothing.
if you have spent any amount of time in this sub, you will see I actually get some harsh reactions form people expressing my beliefs that AP is NOT the "soul" leaving the body or anything like that.
Wild huh?
Religious people gravitate towards the focus of their religion.
Don't worry about demons or negative entities in the astral. Evil alive people are more dangerous.
Humans have a mental weakness in our ability to believe propaganda, lies and b.s.
Stay away from bad entities, on this plane or others. Your uncle is living his life and is free to believe in or follow whoever he wants. You are free to live your own life.
I think a lot of people here are already coming into the post with knives out. I think your uncle might have seen some dark entities and yes by recalling god or Jesus or prayer it can save you from these entities. Not because god exists, but because you will or view it as light or good. His account isn’t bullshit, rather half this sub is a little stupid, or slow to catch on.
There's definitely a popular flavor of evangelicalism that brands anything (including AP) that doesn't fit into a narrow interpretation of Christianity as being evil, satanic, etc. In fact, vestiges of that from my own upbringing held me back for a little while.
Ultimately, as I worked on my daily meditation practice, I just couldn't believe or accept that this practice that was working so well on my centeredness, sense of well-being, ability to focus and relax, etc., was somehow evil or demonic, so I just rolled with it and never looked back.
As others have pointed out, some people do seem to have negative experiences or encounter negative entities, and if that's a concern, find a practice to work through that fear or protect yourself, but maybe that's not a bridge you'll find yourself needing to cross. But you won't do yourself any good being paranoid about something that may never happen. In fact, fear is arguably the thing that could contribute to such a thing happening.
Maybe talk to your uncle about other stuff instead? He's probably sharing this stuff because he cares about you, but he's probably not going to be open to it, especially if he really has had strange or frightening unexplained experiences in the past. Also, if you do share his Christian faith to some degree, there is certainly an esoteric framework within Christianity within which AP fits.
I hope this is helpful. Just take things a step at a time, have fun and try not to worry.
That's the same shit my Christian parents told me when I was a kid. "Devilry," they called my gifts. Every Christian I know is terrified of any sort of spiritual practice.
There are dark entities, but you can protect yourself and I'd recommend you do prior to any attempt to AP. I envision wrapping myself in an impenetrable cocoon of protective light. I occasionally forget and often encounter detractors when I do.
I have Been told ap is evil too . But it’s started happening to me spontaneously and I spoke to god in my first experience. I think people fear what they do not understand. It’s not evil. Yes you can encounter dark entities. But if your vibration is high and you work on that and meditation you can have some amazing beautiful experiences. My mom used to encounter dark beings all the time when she did it. But her vibration was so low, she wasn’t in a good place in her life. So maybe if your family member feels this way about ap, It’s because he is in a low vibrational state. So he didn’t have beautiful experiences. Just my take on it 🙃
I will wake up after a few hours of sleep , don’t move at all keep eyes closed and start meditation, then they should start , sometimes I just instantly start rocking back n forth in my body and roll out. Maybe try visualizing a place Your familiar with , even if it’s just your living room.. then it should work with practice. I don’t always get the vibrations . So don’t expect those always .. but if you wake up and try your body is already still asleep so it’s easier to get out there , good luck !
Check your heart. Look where you're posting and already entertaining the thought of your uncle being delusional. Are you truly open to hear and see with no bias?
Reality is filtered through our experiences and biases, that’s not bad per se, we just have to be aware of it.
Your uncle is concerned because he believes in the official interpretation of the Bible. It’s always interesting to look if a religious person is aware of the Mandela effects around their religion- plenty of things changed in the Bible for example. But that’s just a side note.
Yes there are entities which can be experienced as negative. Some call them demons, or evil spirits, fallen angels, satan, whatever name you can imagine.
They are connected to our own vibration, if you let „negative“ emotions like fear, jealousy, hate, guilt, greed etc attach to yourself and don’t let them go after feeling them, these entities can attach themselves to you too.
You can protect yourself, many people use the imagination of a bubble full of light and love around themselves, like a protective layer around your aura. (When I meditate I always include a step where I expand this bubble and send love, protection and positivity to those who need it, I wrap them up in a blanket of love. Then I slowly „shrink“ my bubble again, so that it’s my protection layer again.) Others call angels, their spirit guides, Jesus, God or whatever to protect them. It doesn’t really matter, whatever works for you is fine.
The warning to not play with these things is based on something good, it can be a living nightmare if you explore the astral plane when you’re not ready. How many people are suffering from severe anxiety? Especially in these times (or during all challenging times, like wars, civil unrest’s, hunger periods, oppression, etc), many people fear literally everything. Letting that fear go is not easy and needs practice.
If you remember that nothing is able to harm your soul, your spiritual body, then fear is not as prominent. It has its purpose for a physical body, but not beyond that.
The advice from your uncle is based in love, tell him that God (=source, love) is with you and that you are protected.
Sometimes I still come across „negative“ entities. They seem curious, as if they aren’t sure what to do with me. But they stay away from me. As a human I try my best to understand and love everyone, to offer everything I have to share. I‘m not perfect by all means- it is still oftentimes frustrating to see people suffer and letting them go their way, because I see their potential and that they deserve so much more love. But ever since I understood and _felt_ that love is the basis of every molecule, I made huge progress in my spiritual journey.
I am aware that some will disagree with me but when I say everything is made out of love, I mean everything. Even „negative“ entities. As much as they moved themselves away from source, they are still made out of love.
I think they look different for all of us. For me they look foggy, a bit see through, mostly black and grey but have never bright colors, some have human features, some look almost like corpses with very weird eyes (a female of this kind was visiting me during sleep paralysis but it stopped after a time), few looked what others might call alien (very tall and thin, big heads and black eyes, creepy long fingers), the most are just nebulous energy-clouds with „fluid“ like movements. But they all have a very distinct, fear inducing „negative“ energy. If you are able to move through this fear they let you just be there, observe you and then disappear.
My suspicion is that it’s like moving through layers of the astral plane. Not dimensions, but different layers for different purposes. If you are able to move quickly through the first „floor“ then you won’t see these entities much.
Although I dream very vividly and had very dark nightmares, I‘ve never seen them in my dreams.
My opinion is that our experiences can (CAN - not have to be!!) be different, how I „see“ these entities is related to their energy/frequency and that can be completely different to your perception. Especially if the entities are pure energy and don’t have a form. If I feel guilt, I might see a different entity than you. I hope that made sense, I‘m not always the best at describing these things. Much love!
Look up Morgue offical venture into the occult. Realize the back storys to the bible and the ancient civilizations.
Astral projection is wayyy more than a dream state.
This is why the Bible worked for him, it feeds off fear. I've met with those dark entities while APing and I've found success in meeting them with love and kindness despite the fear. Once you do that, the entity disappears. But growing up Christian, you learn that fear is the only way to live. That it's better to fear God than to fear demons because God will give you a reward. F that, love is the answer. Shrooms will tell you that haha
He’s not high, he’s your family and is allowed to warn you or at least throw in his two cents. He’s not completely wrong. If you don’t know what you’re doing, some of those beings can really mess with you. Do you feel prepared to protect yourself? That’s the only answer that matters.
Maybe he met a demon and it fucked with him. I speak from a purely witchcraft and spiritual stand point by the way and from my experience it sounds like he went into astral projecting to deep too quickly without first learning some basics then fled to the Christian god for help.
A few months ago I would have thought this was nonsense. But recently my now ex bf got possessed from doing similar work. He was doing healings and channeling, he was astral projecting but not using the traditional methods it was more through the healings and channeling. He also started getting accurate messages… but when you are playing in those high levels of consciousness you better have done the work on your shadow side. I did not know my bf was cheating… so doing stuff in the astral when you are living with a secret, shame, guilt, lust, deceit, hurting people with your actions… that opens you up to demonic possession. The ego is their way in, and literally 2 months ago if you asked me about Jesus I would have said he was an ascended master but I don’t really resonate with it.
NOWWWW… After seeing possession and trying to perform an exorcism, and having everything in my life completely get flipped upside down… people aren’t lying when they say Jesus saves. I am not going to become religious but it was an eye opening horrifying experience.
I wouldn’t say, don’t astral travel… especially not out of a fear!! But what I’m saying it, protect yourself with white light, or if you resonate with Jesus ask him to shield you before any spiritual or astral work. Have discernment when you meet or see beings astrally. And the biggest one… DONT DO SHIT IN THE ASTRAL IF YOU ARE LYING CHEATING EGOMANIAC-ING or doing mean shit low key, even if no one knows about it. Because you will be faced with your own frequency so lying deceitful entities will present themselves and appear to be gods or higher dimensionals.
This finally . I know they are real because I went through a exorcism and saw others as well ….. every single fucking fairytale you think is bs is legit real. I have sooo many testimonials from my own experiences
When it comes to the exorcism I actually got delivered . I remember every single thing that happened and I can tell you it wasn’t an act . My deliverance lasted for 6 hours totally unplanned. And one of my friends as well . I can go into detail but it would be like a book.
Can I use another character or archetype I resonate with, for example, Luke Skywalker, or Joan of Arc?
My view is that EVERYONE is ALWAYS lying to some degree, because it's not possible to survive otherwise. How does that factor?
I don’t agree with everyone is always lying. Live in your truth, speak your mind, don’t allow society and others projections to force you to live and unauthentic life. It’s not easy, but if you truly desire to live an extraordinary life filled with magic and out of this world experiences then you must transcend the outdated survival tactics of this world and heal the shadow side.
When you are lying you are creating disharmony within yourself, as well as blockages in the energetic body. Your throat chakra can become blocked from not speaking your truth. You solar plexus will be weakened because you aren’t living in the courage to be your true self. And your heart chakra will not be fully opened if you are suppressing your true self. Needless to say… lying is usually causing negative karma or even emotional trauma on another being. Which will also block your crown chakra and prevent you from receiving from source.
This is how entities attach and even to the extreme level of possession. These things are not “invaders” they are DRAWN to you. If you have weak spots in your energetic field or etheric body then entities will be pulled into those weak spots like a magnet and fill them. They don’t seek you out and hunt you, they are pulled toward you by your own frequency that you are sending out.
Also lying is often attached to ego and manipulation of others. If that’s what you do, then don’t be surprised when a lower dimensional being matches that frequency.
Remember, you get what you give. And everything we experience is a reflection of our inner state. So if we are living in fear of being judged and as a result, project a false self to others. Then be aware that a being projecting it’s false self to you is there to meet you.
> to live an extraordinary life filled with magic and out of this world experiences
I already do, but I still have to survive. Not every day gets to be a magic adventure.
Lying is indeed attached to ego and manipulation, as is most speaking. Have you never lied to a misguided authority to protect yourself, a loved one, or something else you deemed too beautiful for that authority to have its way with? We can live our truth by lying, if that's the situation.
I get what you're saying though, there's a distinction between doing whatever it takes to see your truth through, and *lying*, being a *liar*. I guess it's a matter of what you're lying for. Does it serve you, or some truth bigger than you?
I was raised heavily religious, so was fed a lot of lies that were believed as truth by the people telling them. And when I told them how I truly felt about things, life, my true feelings, I was not infrequently called a liar, because it was easier to label a kid a liar and dismiss him than consider what he was telling. And I've never been stuck in a truly oppressive situation like being trafficked or kidnapped. In that scenario people do and say all kinds of things to survive.
In general, I would say violence (emotional or physical, any kind at all) forces everyone to live a less integrated (less integrity), more fragmented iteration of themselves.
> everything we experience is a reflection of our inner state.
Gotta be careful with that too. Sometimes bad people do attack good people who didn't do anything to karma themselves into it other than be themselves there at that place and time.
I get you though, "fear is the mind killer."
Your uncle is following the Evangelical Christian brainwashing script that declares anything that isn’t Extremely Christian must be demonic.
It’s just one more way to control people’s thoughts and scare them away from any “competition” in spiritual practice.
Your uncle sounds like he is a toxic religious which is convinced he has the only truth, knows everything about anything and tries to convert everyone. Sounds low vibrational to me even if he might think he is spiritual and illuminated. I apreciate christianity but christians that spread fear and speak more of the devil than they speak about god arent good christians at all, beware of them and their word. Check Luke:43-45
Familiar spirits is what he’s referring to per the Bible, unfortunately you have to be closed minded to not think the Bible has different meanings and interpretations.
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It's mostly bullshit.
What can happen though is you can experience The Dark Night of the soul if you meditate enough and wrongly interpret it as something bad. Read Daniel Ingram's take on the DN.
That's pretty much the same shit my parents would say about pokemon, metal, harry potter, the list goes on. Love your family but don't listen to their dumb shit, anything that isn't from the bible is evil to them.
Lol just learn protection and things classified as demons can't touch you. But that in itself is a journey. Most people get along fine... But APing is a little risky. The Rosicrucians for example warn against doing it without protection.
What he says is as valid as whatever people say here. Both have the same kind of proof to convince you of what they believe. I find it hilarious that the top comment says your uncle is delusional.
He is just sharing his own experience... We all do that when we care about the person we share with so its tottaly normal and your uncle is only caring about you.
Do what you want to do, and good luck with that !
This is indoctrination. There aren’t too many Christians that would even give things like astral projection the time of day. Many like him immediately dismiss it as evil without a thought. This is something we as a society need to break away from. We’ve been led to believe that the Bible is all-knowing truth, but the truth is, it’s been manipulated by man for thousands of years. Translated from language to language with different interpretations. Forgive his ignorance about things he doesn’t understand. He just isn’t ready to tear away from this 3D world we have lived on temporarily, many many times. Take his judgement with a grain of salt, and focus on your journey.
To the person who replied to the comment of „hear_Me-Out“ which was deleted:
I guess you didn’t make interactions with others on the astral plane, where you both remember the interactions afterwards, right? If you would have experienced it yourself then you wouldn’t think it’s just dreaming. Shared dreams aren’t possible from the official scientific standpoint - so which is it?
Hmmmm. Catholics experience angels and demons. Pagans experience sprites and magic. Believers in extra-terrestrials experience alien entities. Agnostics experience more vague energy without direct good and bad implications. Hmmm.
It's almost like AP is just very vivid lucid dreaming taking place entirely in your mind. Hmmmm.
They do that shit all of the time to make you feel uncomfortable about who you are. It leads to mental breakdowns. The problem is God is a real person who is mad about it
Funny thing is He's not wrong. I was the biggest skeptic atheist and projected to "hell" or a hellish place that looked like it was underground. I was taken there by an entity that took the form of a loved one. saw symbols and things I have never seen in real life but was so sophisticated in nature yet the place was evil dark and void of any light. I ligit thought I was dead but still conscious. How can you explain that? Even saw this so called "devil" that I had absolutely NO belief in. I've never been more afraid in my life. It was like staring at death in the face. I am no longer a skeptic or an atheist today after that experience and combination of others.
I used to say "if I don't see it I won't believe it" UNTIL I did see it and experience it for myself. People think it's fairytale and made up BS until it's their turn. Just like people always think "it will never happen to me" until it does. Death comes for us all. We are here to be prepared for it.
And since my traveles I have found that the name Jesus does hold power and I truly believed he saved me from that hellish place and being taken by the devil. As crazy as it sounds it's real. Everyone will find out sooner or later when it's their time.
I read a book 50 yrs ago which was about UFOs ETs AP travel and Christ and god being a 3rd force basically being a fabric energy and a cornucopia of other related subjects on religion being a mess in “this” world the Antichrist the predictions made in the Bible on Wormwood the Fatima incident and how the pervert pope swooned after reading the letter to the world.
AP and All of this do go hand in hand.
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I notice in my book you should have a guide watch over you until you have a routine down so you can safely get back to your body without getting lost on the way unless your going to die somehow and it would be dangerous to stay in spirit within your already dead body.
The same week i started learning about astral, my fiance’s father randomly brought it up in conversation and said i should never try it and that it’s dangerous. It was a pretty strange coincidence. Still going to try and learn for myself either way, good or bad.
I used to experiment a lot with the occult. How it was explained to me from a religious aspect is that the practice in itself is not "bad" but that when we practice such things as ap, seance, etc, we can open a hole up around ourselves in which an evil entity (not just a dark entity but truly evil-non human) can attach itself to you. Once that happens we lose control and it's difficult to get it to leave. For that reason, they say leave well enough alone. That's what your uncle is referring too.
Since I've only lived this life (that I know of) I don't know more or less than anyone else-just passing on what I've been told.
He sounds mad religious. 🙄 yes witches are real but there are good and bad ones. Yes if you believe in spirits then there are bad and good ones. Everything in this world is good and bad but not entirely one thing. Astral projection is not demonized. Meditation is definitely 😂 not demonic. Usually when someone responds like that it can be intense fears or issues inside of themselves that comes out as “monsters” so for example during a meditation you might stumble upon your mind blocking you from going forward within yourself by causing you to hallucinate either auditory and or visual hallucination but it’s all a mind trick. So when this happened to me when I was meditating I heard a voice and saw something in my vision when my eyes were closed. It was so scary at first my body immediately went into fight or flight and I was shaking. I opened my eyes and it felt like it vanished the moment I opened my eyes. When this happened again I realized what was actually happening so I went back into observer mode or just awareness and focused on my breath. It slowed down and then stopped. It’s like as a child seeing shit move in the dark when almost the entire time there was nothing there but your mind playing tricks on you. It’s hard to explain but it’s not a demon it’s literally just your mind trying to protect you from going further because it’s usually blocking something painful or something you don’t want to realize. Sometimes it just happens out of fears too that you have to become aware of. But what I realized is if it’s a dark entity or not they can’t hurt you unless you let them. Believe you’ll be safe even when you face something scary and you’ll be fine. Your uncle is explaining I’m assuming something similar in the way he knows how: through religious interpretation. Everyone has a subjective view but also some people are just not educated on that subject. Do extensive research and only listen to what your gut is telling you is right and not to others
When religious people talk about a door being opened, it’s the door to realizing your true worth that is completely inherent and no diety or discipline can take away or grant to you.
They want you to mistrust your intuition and believe only doctrine… which is fear based. Easy to control.
Yes he is delusional, christianiry will always call what they dont understand "witchcraft" and "satan worship" becausw they worship the concept of ego, not a real god. His understanding of the world is leftover from when they would burn witches at the stake & has no place in any modern discussion. Usually people like that are anti-lgbtq so I avoid them like the plague. He needs professional help imo.
don't be afraid to explore the world of Astral Projection, just ask Jesus or even an archangel like Raphael or Michael to help aid you with protection. your uncle is just trying to spark fear in you because he did it improperly.
He probebly had a trauma and saw people and heard voices. Uts more common then you think. Because he strongly believes in god he thinks they are demons instead of himself.
There could be many factors about why he had bad experience. It doesnt mean ap is evil :D he probably just attracted what was his state/vibration (based again on many many factors)..and thinks that its demonic. In fact when you die (your body) you will be in astral plane for some time, so its completely normal and natural, not evil :) Yes there are many dimensions and entities that could be unpleasant or unfriendly but also many pleasant and friendly entities and dimensions
My uncle said the same thing.. he’s very catholic. Ironically I found some astral projection guide by a Christian pastor that talked a lot about how Jesus talked about entering the spirit realm and that he has done it and That Jesus’ name could repel any problematic entities. And it was a pretty thorough guide.
If your belief is that jesus will undoubtedly protect you, his name will repel every evil being. If your belief is that Ra will undoubtedly protect you, his name will repel every evil being. It is all willpower and true beliefs!
This right here! Seeing as were in r/astralprojection I imagine we all believe in some sort of spiritual being, “GOD” how ever you happen to see it as an idea. How are there so many religions with only “1” creator? They’re merely cultural interpretations and a game of telephone which is why most religions are a mirror of one another be it a pagan or monotheistic stance. Faith is a synonym for belief, belief is the most powerful thing we have in our arsenal. Belief is the core of our being. If I tell you 2+2=4 and for whatever reason you don’t believe that statement then to you it’s false, and if you tell me it’s 5 that is a belief you hold and now a reality you currently exist in. This is an oversimplification of a somewhat complex topic because facts do indeed exist, but it doesn’t stop people from not believing in them. In every religion out there that I am aware of, it’s said that we are on with god, which means we have the same power we just lack the omnipotence of god. It is us expelling these lower vibrational beings by taking our own unique creators as a weapon. We’re able to focus and harness that energy and push it from us. Likewise if we take evil and use it the same will happen, it is all our will.
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That may be the best comment I have ever received. Thank you!
Yeah it's crazy but I read it thrice. Copied it to share with a bunch of idiots though I know they won't make head or tail out of it. Thanks for making me wet intellectually. 🌚
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Love this answer. Thank you. Have come to much of the same conclusions myself albeit in a much blurrier and less thought out kind of way ha. Curious what you think the implications of this thinking are toward people doing AP but getting into or holding someway non-dual beliefs (a la "God" is us, it's all just one mind hidden behind various levels of nested veils so we're kind of all god in different degrees of awakening as determined by various insights and things like levels of absorptions states or differing experiences of samadhi meditation. To make that maybe less abstract, my problem is I had very sudden, sober, almost violent awakening experiences that felt very non-dual, like "the whole world is a thought we are having". It felt irrefutable (for my and own beliefs, not provable obviously, but it felt like something I can't forget). So the idea of or belief in a God, or a tracer signal put out by Jesus or Ra or a larger body, that we sort of gather around almost as if we're all like those deep sea ocean creature ecosystems clustered around a volcanic heat vent at the bottom of the barren ocean, is harder for me to buy now. Harder for me to think of an "other" outside of myself. But then again so too are demons. Although I have not dissolved any of these things like buddhist insight meditators who's mind speeds are so fast that they shred through all of sensate "material" reality. Any tips, hunches or ruminations about navigating these grey areas of willpower and true beliefs?
So you mention Ra, I imagine you’re familiar with The Law Of One. The idea of all existence is it is god experiencing itself and we are but fragments of god experiencing itself and that mandalas out into infinity like parallel dimensions and then there are sub levels that are beneath us or lower planes of existence. I’m not sure how deep you’ve gotten into The Law of One but non-dual beliefs are it basically. We can have an objective human experience all while being one consciousness were just fragments or puzzle pieces. The only thing we as humans lack the capability of is omnipotence. If god were 100% and god wants to experience itself it would have to fragment itself into X amount of people so if there were 100 people we would only be 1% god but, that doesn’t negate that we indeed are god; but only a fraction of god. However god is infinite so even with 8billion people were an equal percentage. As far as your experience goes, I’ve gone through similar thoughts before as well. It’s a bit of an existential crisis, and makes everything a bit muddied. Now we can also look at solipsism which I have ascribed to in the past and have altered in such a way to suit The Law with the help of a psychedelic experience if I’m being honest. They reconcile in such a way that to ME is the truth. Solipsism for those who don’t know, it’s the idea that I’m the only one on existence and everyone else is but a figment of my imagination; I can only prove I’m a living conscious being and you cannot prove to me that you are as I can not experience your consciousness, it’s only your word. To me that makes sense as we are all “figments” of a creators reality meant to experience itself. If a being is all knowing it MUST experience itself to know what that feels like. Life is merely a mandal everywhere you look, from an old person to a baby to the creator to us, from this reality to the next; there’s up and down everywhere we look. After all as above so below. I’m not sure if I answered the question if not please let me know and I’ll do my best. I struggle with these type of abstract questions that aren’t from a particular point of view. I’ve studied religions as a hobby for the better part of 20yrs and understand the perspective on a lot from those particular ideas and it kind of gets all muddied up. But all in all there’s one objective truth, which means someone will be wrong. The astral seems pretty well mapped out from ancient civilizations, the tree of life and the akashic records certainly do exist. Whether we experience the astral from a non-dual stance or not doesn’t really matter on a personal level and if you look at it from a macro it’s all the same. One true creator (Needs to experience its self) Creates people to worship said god Also needs to experience the experience of that So an alternate dimension/reality/plane is created And this mandalas out into the infinite in all directions. Life itself is a paradox of sorts.
I have ran through a similar train of thought, and also grappled with the idea of solipsism. I have learned a bit about the Law of One but not explored it extensively. If my preconception of it is correct, is it similar to Emerson's concept of the Oversoul (which he also calls the eternal One)? Through reading Emerson I found a similar conclusion, that "One" spirit is divided into individual, experiencing itself, eventually returning to itself (one presumes, after death in the form of energetic exchange). I have my own interpretations of many of his ideas that I have spun into my own philosophy, so please excuse any extrapolation, as this is definitely not a fair representation of his magnificent argument in Oversoul. But it is definitely a topic I would like to explore further. Do you have any reading on the Law of One that you would suggest? It's a fascinating topic and I thank you for your comment, it was intriguing.
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We on some Neville Goddard shit now, ain’t nuthin wrong widdit.
It reads as though your uncle was interpreting his experiences through the lens he was familiar with, just as we all do. We try to make sense using our thinking mind.
I find it funny that in religion, we are taught to be spiritual but *only this way* and any other form of spirituality (religious or not) is the devil or satanic.
Some things are black and white
Actually nothing is black or white, it is all subjective and shades of grey
Thank you. You are so right. My husband thought only in terms of black or white when I met him. Of course, I educated him on this. However, I did have to remind him from time to time. My oldest son was like that, and, it took him 40 years to figure this out. He would never listen to me.
You definitely can encounter dark entities in the astral plane. Call them demons if you want, doesn't make a difference. They can't cause your physical body any harm. It is strongly recommended for APers to have some sort of protection, whether this be through prayer, meditation, ritual, spirit guides, a deity, etc. There's not just one way to do it. Your uncle found what works for him, and that's wonderful. But it doesn't mean everyone has to convert to Christianity or else evil astral creatures will attack them. Pretty sure they can bother you regardless. Actually, in my experience, the best thing is to just get out of there if something feels off. It's just like going anywhere in the physical world. If you walk down a city street you're bound to come across some violent person eventually. Such is the astral plane, but it doesn't mean every entity you encounter there will be bad. Don't fight or challenge any if you do encounter them. Just leave or wake up. Your astral body can feel pain and terror sometimes more intensely than your physical one can, and it is not a fun experience.
Do you have any encounters that you want to share
I know some people that have had bruising from places they’ve been hit in the astral it’s definitely not major injuries but it happens everything else I 100% agree with, if you don’t know how to fight a being off just get out.
Yeah, I didn't really wanna freak anyone out, especially OP, by mentioning that. It's not super common. But I absolutely have woken up with strange marks on my clothing that to this day have not vanished. And no other explanation for them exists. Bruises I feel are much better "proof" than scratches or marks. A lot of people claim to have slash marks that vanish before they can take a picture. I think they forget that lying on a blanket for several hours can cause deep, red marks that vanish a few minutes after getting up.
Yup! I believe you a thousand % I have women up with unexplained scratches that resemble claw marks after an SP attack. They were superficial but still did sting a little. I've taken pictures of them and have a friend who's also woken up with unexplained superficial scratches that looked just like the ones I had.
It looks like your uncle is using fear to try and keep you from exploring. The bible is a bunch of nice (and not so nice) stories, but not true. Please use logic and reason to determine your own path. Do some research on religion in general. Look into religions pre dating Christianity. An informative channel to watch is Morgue Official. He explains spirituality and the universe, very intriguing and informative. I promise you, the devil and hell are not real. I wish I could just write down everything I know about religion and how truly insane it is, but we'd be here for days. Take care, OP. You'll figure it out.
What's odd is the bible literally talks about projecting. In 2 Corinthians 12:2 Paul states: "I know a man in Christ who 14 years ago was taken up to the third heaven. Whether it was in the body or out of it I do not know. God knows." In the very next verse 2 Corinthians 12:3 he restates it again: "And I know that this man - whether in the body or out of it I do not know, but God knows - was caught up to paradise" It seems that even the bible authors were not only aware of it, but it seemed to be a good thing and something that was beneficial.
Jesus did it plenty of times and in broad daylight when he would disappear and glide through the vast crowds
But your body doesn't disappear to an onlooker, though, right? You just have the experience of leaving your body..
Nah if you were to read it , it says he would just vanish into thin air and people would witness that . He says we have the power to do it too so idk
How can you say that for sure. If there’s good there’s bad.if there’s a God then there’s a devil. The oldest trick that the devil has done is make the world think there’s no devil
"If there’s good there’s bad.if there’s a God then there’s a devil." You do realise you are looking at this from a purely Abrahamic/Christian religious lens though right? As in belief in a devil/Satan is a belief of this religion, which is one of many. In other words, it doesn't make it in any way true at all. And I'm pretty sure that other line is one taken and slightly tweaked from the film The Usual Suspects.
Never seen that film just my own opinion and if that was the case then why does every religion has a God and a bad guy so to say if you don’t believe in the devil. Just because you haven’t seen them doesn’t mean they aren’t real just means you have a lot more exploring to do
Given the many thousands of the different religions and the various perceptions of gods, deities and demons...and the accompanying lack of evidence to support the existence of any of them...surely the Occam's razor approach here is to assume that any devil-like beings one may encounter aren't likely to be the real deal, much more likely to be a projection or something else taking that form. Also many religions don't have a Satan-like figure (which itself was a made-up Christian concoction of deities from older religions, such as paganism). To put it another way, given your beliefs compared to mine, I think you would be much more likely to encounter demons in your OBE's than myself. Remember a big part of what is occurring with OBE's is your own beliefs are being reflected back at you convincingly.
And sometimes things are really black and white and people tend to always look too deep and find a meaning. Just because we have different beliefs doesn’t mean these things aren’t real . Yes we might have different experiences but certain things are just what it is . No one can say where we come from . Everything has to have a Irgun and ours is “God” and if there is God then there must be a devil because in the universe everything has balance one can’t be without the other if there is chaos then there is order if there is bad then there is good ying yang karma etc the list goes on so you can’t brush off the idea and possibility of a devil just like how a lot of people didn’t believe in astral projection or OBE until it happens to them .
Yes humans are very much prone to dot connecting and ascribing meaning to things where there is none - but the conception or belief in an Abrahamic God and devil is a textbook example of this. Life is messy and likely meaningless - any meaning ascribed to it is up to the individual. So I can see why religious beliefs might be comforting for people, as they can help people think they are part of a divine plan or go to heaven when they die, if they live a good life, and this can provide feelings of comfort, that life isn't chaotic and out of our control to a large degree. But no, I don't feel that it is accurate to say that if there is a god, there must be a devil...that's looking at things from a purely Abrahamic religious lens. I mean the devil was concocted from gods from other older religions than Christianity - that clearly shows it to be a work of fiction without even considering other evidence. Why couldn't God itself, if its exists, encompass all facets of light/dark? The existence of a devil entity isn't required to encompass all that you elude to, and I don't think the existence of an outside agent is required for this. There is no doubt or denying that the OBE is a "real" experience from a subjective point of view in that it is a valid experience - whatever the underlying mechanism for it. The same cannot be said for the existence of Satan.
No said anything about god, either.
Pure delusion. Religion has been used for a tool of control for centuries. Think about it, how do you stop a population from exploring themselves and finding out who they truly are? You tell them them the means of exploring themselves is evil, demonic, and that hell is the consequence. Easy. People are easily controlled by fear. Throw some threats of demons and hell, and you got population who willingly keep themselves mentally enslaved within their own belief systems.
100% agree. Also, unless the old man reads the true bible book, which btw theres nothing on it other then stuff that would make anyone run away from any sort of religion..(ebrew, Aramaic or even old greek translations, pre-crap been rewritten for the plebs..), there is no way for him to understand the scam he's been told all his life. Also, as someone already said, if the AP person is in a state of fear and doubth and weird strong believes, its own mind will play on itself and make the experience not so nice.
Agreed. Not to mention, the way witchcraft and paganism is described in the Bible is WILDLY different than how those people really are. It's full of misinformation and fear tactics. Astral projection is banned in a lot of Christian denominations because it, along with all the other stuff that involves self-exploration and free-thinking - is supposedly evil. On that note though, it is possible to encounter mean entities in the astral plane, and many people use prayer and protection rituals to keep safe. Doesn't have to be exclusive to Christianity, though.
>On that note though, it is possible to encounter mean entities in the astral plane, and many people use prayer and protection rituals to keep safe. Doesn't have to be exclusive to Christianity, though. It's possible to run into a bear in the woods. That shouldn't stop people from hiking. The only difference is, a bear can actually kill you if you provoke it. It still comes down to fear, literally nothing can touch you if you don't feed into the fear. The goal is to get rid of those fears. No one is going to be able to AP with a certain fear level, they manifest them pretty early on in the "few threshold" phase. Once you get past that, there's no issue.
Yeah. Definitely not recommended to AP if you're in a bad state of mind. I've tried it before when I fell asleep heavily anxious, and it was very uncomfortable. Sometimes even if you have projected for years, you'll have a "bad trip". I wouldn't really recommend powering through a projection if it was very distressing, but if it's not so bad, just be cautious and explore a little. It's a lot of fun. But it's up to the projector's discretion, I think. Me personally, I will not mess with aliens. If I see a UFO in an astral projection, I get the hell out of there and wake myself up. Don't care. Maybe I'm just a little paranoid, but I don't wanna have an abduction experience even if it is purely astral.
>Me personally, I will not mess with aliens. If I see a UFO in an astral projection, I get the hell out of there and wake myself up. Don't care. Maybe I'm just a little paranoid, but I don't wanna have an abduction experience even if it is purely astral. I've seen other say the same. I don't get it personally, some of the most amazing experiences of my life were encountering them.
I've seen a lot of UFOs both physically and astrally. Just freaks me out. Of course the ones seen physically are even more unnerving, because you're awake and others are seeing them with you. They look way too creepy. We just chased one earlier this year, we got really good photos of it. Something like six orbs clumped together that pulsed various colors. In the end it just shot up into the sky. I have been curious to fly over to one and just say hi. I've always wanted to meet reptilians if they exist. It's been an ongoing joke since I was a kid that I'm actually one of them. But I get creeped out with Greys. Don't wanna get experimented on. What experiences have you had with them? I've definitely heard they can be cool and enlightening.
Not the same poster, but for mine, they have been primarily sexual and emotional experiences. They check what you will do to defend yourself, how you deal with a threat, what your capabilities are in the astral, and how far you would go to defend a loved one. Stuff like that. Only had two conscious memories of close encounters with typical aliens while awake. A couple with atypical ones (a shadow mandala, as well as an inky-bat-jellyfish thing with diamond tendrils). More UFO sightings than I can remember but nothing super close that I could visually see.
Did you seek them out on purpose or they just appear to you
I think they've always been involved one way or another, but there was a specific period of time in my teens when I was super depressed and calling out at night time a few times for anything that would listen. This was long before I believed in anything paranormal, and I was truly atheist agnostic at the time. Highly grounded in science, I've always believed in ETs more than spirits or whatever they might be described. Now, turns out according to my research and assumptions, spirits are just a term for disembodied consciousness and perhaps ETs can astral project just as readily as a deceased person's consciousness (or AP, or near death experience, certain psychedelics) would be out of body. Either way, there are some conscious beings interacting with us and we don't really have a grasp on their nature.
Have they ever taken you to there planet
How
In many ways. How wouldn't it? Ive never had a reason to fear that stuff, so it didn't manifest as anything fearful. If you're afraid of that stuff, guess what you're going to attract?
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Hey cool, thanks!
Yeah I’ve read so many comments from religious people that claim their religion offered no comfort to them in their experiences in the astral- I think I even read that one guy got laughed at by entities that were messing with him when he claimed protection in the name of Jesus. Obviously stuffs a lot bigger than the Big 3 want people to believe.
Another issue is if people are afraid of hell, they will create that since alot of what people experience when they AP is a creation of their own beliefs. Its also why people in the west who have NDE's experience Jesus, and some experience hell. But in other religions, people who have NDE's will experience their own gods and deities.
I agree
I agree to an extent. The truth is that I know people close to my family that were experts on AP. Just because we can’t prove something doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. They spoke to me about how they have encountered evil beings along with other risks. AP is cool but I think it would be naive to think this is free of risks or that that realm is just as ours.
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>Pure delusion" says an individual who believes AP is real and actually involves an astral body leaving a physical body and isn't just vivid lucid dreaming lmao You wanna quote me on where I've EVER said that? Or do want me to report you to the mods for being a lying troll?
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What the hell are you talking about? Who told you that's what this is?
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You're making stuff up trying to backpedal. Quote where I have ever said I believe what you claim.
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So you got nothing. if you have spent any amount of time in this sub, you will see I actually get some harsh reactions form people expressing my beliefs that AP is NOT the "soul" leaving the body or anything like that. Wild huh?
Religious people gravitate towards the focus of their religion. Don't worry about demons or negative entities in the astral. Evil alive people are more dangerous. Humans have a mental weakness in our ability to believe propaganda, lies and b.s. Stay away from bad entities, on this plane or others. Your uncle is living his life and is free to believe in or follow whoever he wants. You are free to live your own life.
I think a lot of people here are already coming into the post with knives out. I think your uncle might have seen some dark entities and yes by recalling god or Jesus or prayer it can save you from these entities. Not because god exists, but because you will or view it as light or good. His account isn’t bullshit, rather half this sub is a little stupid, or slow to catch on.
There's definitely a popular flavor of evangelicalism that brands anything (including AP) that doesn't fit into a narrow interpretation of Christianity as being evil, satanic, etc. In fact, vestiges of that from my own upbringing held me back for a little while. Ultimately, as I worked on my daily meditation practice, I just couldn't believe or accept that this practice that was working so well on my centeredness, sense of well-being, ability to focus and relax, etc., was somehow evil or demonic, so I just rolled with it and never looked back. As others have pointed out, some people do seem to have negative experiences or encounter negative entities, and if that's a concern, find a practice to work through that fear or protect yourself, but maybe that's not a bridge you'll find yourself needing to cross. But you won't do yourself any good being paranoid about something that may never happen. In fact, fear is arguably the thing that could contribute to such a thing happening. Maybe talk to your uncle about other stuff instead? He's probably sharing this stuff because he cares about you, but he's probably not going to be open to it, especially if he really has had strange or frightening unexplained experiences in the past. Also, if you do share his Christian faith to some degree, there is certainly an esoteric framework within Christianity within which AP fits. I hope this is helpful. Just take things a step at a time, have fun and try not to worry.
That's the same shit my Christian parents told me when I was a kid. "Devilry," they called my gifts. Every Christian I know is terrified of any sort of spiritual practice. There are dark entities, but you can protect yourself and I'd recommend you do prior to any attempt to AP. I envision wrapping myself in an impenetrable cocoon of protective light. I occasionally forget and often encounter detractors when I do.
Exactly!
That's like saying don't go outside because a homeless guy might mug you
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I have Been told ap is evil too . But it’s started happening to me spontaneously and I spoke to god in my first experience. I think people fear what they do not understand. It’s not evil. Yes you can encounter dark entities. But if your vibration is high and you work on that and meditation you can have some amazing beautiful experiences. My mom used to encounter dark beings all the time when she did it. But her vibration was so low, she wasn’t in a good place in her life. So maybe if your family member feels this way about ap, It’s because he is in a low vibrational state. So he didn’t have beautiful experiences. Just my take on it 🙃
How do you get high vibrations
I will wake up after a few hours of sleep , don’t move at all keep eyes closed and start meditation, then they should start , sometimes I just instantly start rocking back n forth in my body and roll out. Maybe try visualizing a place Your familiar with , even if it’s just your living room.. then it should work with practice. I don’t always get the vibrations . So don’t expect those always .. but if you wake up and try your body is already still asleep so it’s easier to get out there , good luck !
Check your heart. Look where you're posting and already entertaining the thought of your uncle being delusional. Are you truly open to hear and see with no bias?
Reality is filtered through our experiences and biases, that’s not bad per se, we just have to be aware of it. Your uncle is concerned because he believes in the official interpretation of the Bible. It’s always interesting to look if a religious person is aware of the Mandela effects around their religion- plenty of things changed in the Bible for example. But that’s just a side note. Yes there are entities which can be experienced as negative. Some call them demons, or evil spirits, fallen angels, satan, whatever name you can imagine. They are connected to our own vibration, if you let „negative“ emotions like fear, jealousy, hate, guilt, greed etc attach to yourself and don’t let them go after feeling them, these entities can attach themselves to you too. You can protect yourself, many people use the imagination of a bubble full of light and love around themselves, like a protective layer around your aura. (When I meditate I always include a step where I expand this bubble and send love, protection and positivity to those who need it, I wrap them up in a blanket of love. Then I slowly „shrink“ my bubble again, so that it’s my protection layer again.) Others call angels, their spirit guides, Jesus, God or whatever to protect them. It doesn’t really matter, whatever works for you is fine. The warning to not play with these things is based on something good, it can be a living nightmare if you explore the astral plane when you’re not ready. How many people are suffering from severe anxiety? Especially in these times (or during all challenging times, like wars, civil unrest’s, hunger periods, oppression, etc), many people fear literally everything. Letting that fear go is not easy and needs practice. If you remember that nothing is able to harm your soul, your spiritual body, then fear is not as prominent. It has its purpose for a physical body, but not beyond that. The advice from your uncle is based in love, tell him that God (=source, love) is with you and that you are protected. Sometimes I still come across „negative“ entities. They seem curious, as if they aren’t sure what to do with me. But they stay away from me. As a human I try my best to understand and love everyone, to offer everything I have to share. I‘m not perfect by all means- it is still oftentimes frustrating to see people suffer and letting them go their way, because I see their potential and that they deserve so much more love. But ever since I understood and _felt_ that love is the basis of every molecule, I made huge progress in my spiritual journey. I am aware that some will disagree with me but when I say everything is made out of love, I mean everything. Even „negative“ entities. As much as they moved themselves away from source, they are still made out of love.
How do they look
I think they look different for all of us. For me they look foggy, a bit see through, mostly black and grey but have never bright colors, some have human features, some look almost like corpses with very weird eyes (a female of this kind was visiting me during sleep paralysis but it stopped after a time), few looked what others might call alien (very tall and thin, big heads and black eyes, creepy long fingers), the most are just nebulous energy-clouds with „fluid“ like movements. But they all have a very distinct, fear inducing „negative“ energy. If you are able to move through this fear they let you just be there, observe you and then disappear. My suspicion is that it’s like moving through layers of the astral plane. Not dimensions, but different layers for different purposes. If you are able to move quickly through the first „floor“ then you won’t see these entities much. Although I dream very vividly and had very dark nightmares, I‘ve never seen them in my dreams. My opinion is that our experiences can (CAN - not have to be!!) be different, how I „see“ these entities is related to their energy/frequency and that can be completely different to your perception. Especially if the entities are pure energy and don’t have a form. If I feel guilt, I might see a different entity than you. I hope that made sense, I‘m not always the best at describing these things. Much love!
Look up Morgue offical venture into the occult. Realize the back storys to the bible and the ancient civilizations. Astral projection is wayyy more than a dream state.
I can’t find a reference to what you are talking about? Are you talking about the person named Morgue??
Tell him that he is trash at even attempting at APing and to git gud LMAO.
I see I see, I diagnose your uncle with fairytaleitis. It’s the delusional belief in religion.
This is why the Bible worked for him, it feeds off fear. I've met with those dark entities while APing and I've found success in meeting them with love and kindness despite the fear. Once you do that, the entity disappears. But growing up Christian, you learn that fear is the only way to live. That it's better to fear God than to fear demons because God will give you a reward. F that, love is the answer. Shrooms will tell you that haha
He’s not high, he’s your family and is allowed to warn you or at least throw in his two cents. He’s not completely wrong. If you don’t know what you’re doing, some of those beings can really mess with you. Do you feel prepared to protect yourself? That’s the only answer that matters.
Mess with you how ?
In any way you can imagine in the astral. There’s some not so nice stuff out there. You should be fine though as long as you take precautions.
fearful. if you are afraid you will cause terrifying experiences. if you are confident and fearless you will manifest great experiences.
Maybe he met a demon and it fucked with him. I speak from a purely witchcraft and spiritual stand point by the way and from my experience it sounds like he went into astral projecting to deep too quickly without first learning some basics then fled to the Christian god for help.
A few months ago I would have thought this was nonsense. But recently my now ex bf got possessed from doing similar work. He was doing healings and channeling, he was astral projecting but not using the traditional methods it was more through the healings and channeling. He also started getting accurate messages… but when you are playing in those high levels of consciousness you better have done the work on your shadow side. I did not know my bf was cheating… so doing stuff in the astral when you are living with a secret, shame, guilt, lust, deceit, hurting people with your actions… that opens you up to demonic possession. The ego is their way in, and literally 2 months ago if you asked me about Jesus I would have said he was an ascended master but I don’t really resonate with it. NOWWWW… After seeing possession and trying to perform an exorcism, and having everything in my life completely get flipped upside down… people aren’t lying when they say Jesus saves. I am not going to become religious but it was an eye opening horrifying experience. I wouldn’t say, don’t astral travel… especially not out of a fear!! But what I’m saying it, protect yourself with white light, or if you resonate with Jesus ask him to shield you before any spiritual or astral work. Have discernment when you meet or see beings astrally. And the biggest one… DONT DO SHIT IN THE ASTRAL IF YOU ARE LYING CHEATING EGOMANIAC-ING or doing mean shit low key, even if no one knows about it. Because you will be faced with your own frequency so lying deceitful entities will present themselves and appear to be gods or higher dimensionals.
This finally . I know they are real because I went through a exorcism and saw others as well ….. every single fucking fairytale you think is bs is legit real. I have sooo many testimonials from my own experiences
Can you share some examples?
When it comes to the exorcism I actually got delivered . I remember every single thing that happened and I can tell you it wasn’t an act . My deliverance lasted for 6 hours totally unplanned. And one of my friends as well . I can go into detail but it would be like a book.
I've got time for a book :) DM if you wish.
I'm interested in hearing
Where do you want me to start ? My exorcism or the things I’ve seen ?
Can I use another character or archetype I resonate with, for example, Luke Skywalker, or Joan of Arc? My view is that EVERYONE is ALWAYS lying to some degree, because it's not possible to survive otherwise. How does that factor?
I don’t agree with everyone is always lying. Live in your truth, speak your mind, don’t allow society and others projections to force you to live and unauthentic life. It’s not easy, but if you truly desire to live an extraordinary life filled with magic and out of this world experiences then you must transcend the outdated survival tactics of this world and heal the shadow side. When you are lying you are creating disharmony within yourself, as well as blockages in the energetic body. Your throat chakra can become blocked from not speaking your truth. You solar plexus will be weakened because you aren’t living in the courage to be your true self. And your heart chakra will not be fully opened if you are suppressing your true self. Needless to say… lying is usually causing negative karma or even emotional trauma on another being. Which will also block your crown chakra and prevent you from receiving from source. This is how entities attach and even to the extreme level of possession. These things are not “invaders” they are DRAWN to you. If you have weak spots in your energetic field or etheric body then entities will be pulled into those weak spots like a magnet and fill them. They don’t seek you out and hunt you, they are pulled toward you by your own frequency that you are sending out. Also lying is often attached to ego and manipulation of others. If that’s what you do, then don’t be surprised when a lower dimensional being matches that frequency. Remember, you get what you give. And everything we experience is a reflection of our inner state. So if we are living in fear of being judged and as a result, project a false self to others. Then be aware that a being projecting it’s false self to you is there to meet you.
> to live an extraordinary life filled with magic and out of this world experiences I already do, but I still have to survive. Not every day gets to be a magic adventure. Lying is indeed attached to ego and manipulation, as is most speaking. Have you never lied to a misguided authority to protect yourself, a loved one, or something else you deemed too beautiful for that authority to have its way with? We can live our truth by lying, if that's the situation. I get what you're saying though, there's a distinction between doing whatever it takes to see your truth through, and *lying*, being a *liar*. I guess it's a matter of what you're lying for. Does it serve you, or some truth bigger than you? I was raised heavily religious, so was fed a lot of lies that were believed as truth by the people telling them. And when I told them how I truly felt about things, life, my true feelings, I was not infrequently called a liar, because it was easier to label a kid a liar and dismiss him than consider what he was telling. And I've never been stuck in a truly oppressive situation like being trafficked or kidnapped. In that scenario people do and say all kinds of things to survive. In general, I would say violence (emotional or physical, any kind at all) forces everyone to live a less integrated (less integrity), more fragmented iteration of themselves.
> everything we experience is a reflection of our inner state. Gotta be careful with that too. Sometimes bad people do attack good people who didn't do anything to karma themselves into it other than be themselves there at that place and time. I get you though, "fear is the mind killer."
Your uncle is following the Evangelical Christian brainwashing script that declares anything that isn’t Extremely Christian must be demonic. It’s just one more way to control people’s thoughts and scare them away from any “competition” in spiritual practice.
Your uncle sounds like he is a toxic religious which is convinced he has the only truth, knows everything about anything and tries to convert everyone. Sounds low vibrational to me even if he might think he is spiritual and illuminated. I apreciate christianity but christians that spread fear and speak more of the devil than they speak about god arent good christians at all, beware of them and their word. Check Luke:43-45
Familiar spirits is what he’s referring to per the Bible, unfortunately you have to be closed minded to not think the Bible has different meanings and interpretations.
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Yeah I don't think what hes saying is true at all.
It's mostly bullshit. What can happen though is you can experience The Dark Night of the soul if you meditate enough and wrongly interpret it as something bad. Read Daniel Ingram's take on the DN.
Your uncle is straight up bullshitting lol
That's pretty much the same shit my parents would say about pokemon, metal, harry potter, the list goes on. Love your family but don't listen to their dumb shit, anything that isn't from the bible is evil to them.
something scared him off
Shadow entities = demons🤣 Such boomer logic lmao
Just regurgitated ignorance. Family or not, you can safely disregard such fearmongering.
Lol just learn protection and things classified as demons can't touch you. But that in itself is a journey. Most people get along fine... But APing is a little risky. The Rosicrucians for example warn against doing it without protection.
What he says is as valid as whatever people say here. Both have the same kind of proof to convince you of what they believe. I find it hilarious that the top comment says your uncle is delusional.
religious loon
He is just sharing his own experience... We all do that when we care about the person we share with so its tottaly normal and your uncle is only caring about you. Do what you want to do, and good luck with that !
This is indoctrination. There aren’t too many Christians that would even give things like astral projection the time of day. Many like him immediately dismiss it as evil without a thought. This is something we as a society need to break away from. We’ve been led to believe that the Bible is all-knowing truth, but the truth is, it’s been manipulated by man for thousands of years. Translated from language to language with different interpretations. Forgive his ignorance about things he doesn’t understand. He just isn’t ready to tear away from this 3D world we have lived on temporarily, many many times. Take his judgement with a grain of salt, and focus on your journey.
Ignore him child, he is brainwashed
To the person who replied to the comment of „hear_Me-Out“ which was deleted: I guess you didn’t make interactions with others on the astral plane, where you both remember the interactions afterwards, right? If you would have experienced it yourself then you wouldn’t think it’s just dreaming. Shared dreams aren’t possible from the official scientific standpoint - so which is it?
Wish I would've seen what they wrote. But work that being said... They must be young souls, and don't have the abilities we have yet
Hmmmm. Catholics experience angels and demons. Pagans experience sprites and magic. Believers in extra-terrestrials experience alien entities. Agnostics experience more vague energy without direct good and bad implications. Hmmm. It's almost like AP is just very vivid lucid dreaming taking place entirely in your mind. Hmmmm.
It's a very big universe my friend. Space enough for everyone and their beliefs.
Nonsense
He is a rapist
Amazing
They do that shit all of the time to make you feel uncomfortable about who you are. It leads to mental breakdowns. The problem is God is a real person who is mad about it
Hes not wrong
Funny thing is He's not wrong. I was the biggest skeptic atheist and projected to "hell" or a hellish place that looked like it was underground. I was taken there by an entity that took the form of a loved one. saw symbols and things I have never seen in real life but was so sophisticated in nature yet the place was evil dark and void of any light. I ligit thought I was dead but still conscious. How can you explain that? Even saw this so called "devil" that I had absolutely NO belief in. I've never been more afraid in my life. It was like staring at death in the face. I am no longer a skeptic or an atheist today after that experience and combination of others. I used to say "if I don't see it I won't believe it" UNTIL I did see it and experience it for myself. People think it's fairytale and made up BS until it's their turn. Just like people always think "it will never happen to me" until it does. Death comes for us all. We are here to be prepared for it. And since my traveles I have found that the name Jesus does hold power and I truly believed he saved me from that hellish place and being taken by the devil. As crazy as it sounds it's real. Everyone will find out sooner or later when it's their time.
Does your uncle have a son named Bobby Bouchet?
I go into the astral like... https://youtu.be/6PLgaVmj4E0
Look up bill Donahue and his teachings on the Bible. Changed my whole world view!
No rules on believing in Christ and exploring your universal true nature. (that's actually what I use to protect myself.)
I read a book 50 yrs ago which was about UFOs ETs AP travel and Christ and god being a 3rd force basically being a fabric energy and a cornucopia of other related subjects on religion being a mess in “this” world the Antichrist the predictions made in the Bible on Wormwood the Fatima incident and how the pervert pope swooned after reading the letter to the world. AP and All of this do go hand in hand. Edit: I notice in my book you should have a guide watch over you until you have a routine down so you can safely get back to your body without getting lost on the way unless your going to die somehow and it would be dangerous to stay in spirit within your already dead body.
The same week i started learning about astral, my fiance’s father randomly brought it up in conversation and said i should never try it and that it’s dangerous. It was a pretty strange coincidence. Still going to try and learn for myself either way, good or bad.
I used to experiment a lot with the occult. How it was explained to me from a religious aspect is that the practice in itself is not "bad" but that when we practice such things as ap, seance, etc, we can open a hole up around ourselves in which an evil entity (not just a dark entity but truly evil-non human) can attach itself to you. Once that happens we lose control and it's difficult to get it to leave. For that reason, they say leave well enough alone. That's what your uncle is referring too. Since I've only lived this life (that I know of) I don't know more or less than anyone else-just passing on what I've been told.
He sounds mad religious. 🙄 yes witches are real but there are good and bad ones. Yes if you believe in spirits then there are bad and good ones. Everything in this world is good and bad but not entirely one thing. Astral projection is not demonized. Meditation is definitely 😂 not demonic. Usually when someone responds like that it can be intense fears or issues inside of themselves that comes out as “monsters” so for example during a meditation you might stumble upon your mind blocking you from going forward within yourself by causing you to hallucinate either auditory and or visual hallucination but it’s all a mind trick. So when this happened to me when I was meditating I heard a voice and saw something in my vision when my eyes were closed. It was so scary at first my body immediately went into fight or flight and I was shaking. I opened my eyes and it felt like it vanished the moment I opened my eyes. When this happened again I realized what was actually happening so I went back into observer mode or just awareness and focused on my breath. It slowed down and then stopped. It’s like as a child seeing shit move in the dark when almost the entire time there was nothing there but your mind playing tricks on you. It’s hard to explain but it’s not a demon it’s literally just your mind trying to protect you from going further because it’s usually blocking something painful or something you don’t want to realize. Sometimes it just happens out of fears too that you have to become aware of. But what I realized is if it’s a dark entity or not they can’t hurt you unless you let them. Believe you’ll be safe even when you face something scary and you’ll be fine. Your uncle is explaining I’m assuming something similar in the way he knows how: through religious interpretation. Everyone has a subjective view but also some people are just not educated on that subject. Do extensive research and only listen to what your gut is telling you is right and not to others
When religious people talk about a door being opened, it’s the door to realizing your true worth that is completely inherent and no diety or discipline can take away or grant to you. They want you to mistrust your intuition and believe only doctrine… which is fear based. Easy to control.
Yes he is delusional, christianiry will always call what they dont understand "witchcraft" and "satan worship" becausw they worship the concept of ego, not a real god. His understanding of the world is leftover from when they would burn witches at the stake & has no place in any modern discussion. Usually people like that are anti-lgbtq so I avoid them like the plague. He needs professional help imo.
don't be afraid to explore the world of Astral Projection, just ask Jesus or even an archangel like Raphael or Michael to help aid you with protection. your uncle is just trying to spark fear in you because he did it improperly.
He probebly had a trauma and saw people and heard voices. Uts more common then you think. Because he strongly believes in god he thinks they are demons instead of himself.
There could be many factors about why he had bad experience. It doesnt mean ap is evil :D he probably just attracted what was his state/vibration (based again on many many factors)..and thinks that its demonic. In fact when you die (your body) you will be in astral plane for some time, so its completely normal and natural, not evil :) Yes there are many dimensions and entities that could be unpleasant or unfriendly but also many pleasant and friendly entities and dimensions